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Fighting Deadly Nostalgia · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm also of the problem, perhaps, because that's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I try as much as we were
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  Speaker 4: discussing last time how nobody wants to go to movie
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  Speaker 4: theaters anymore. And, you know, the whole theater system and
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  Speaker 4: the specialness of that process isn't really a thing most
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  Speaker 4: of the time. i'm and i'm one of those people
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  Speaker 4: it's like i get that i grew up with that
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  Speaker 4: and i still have like a weird nostalgic place in
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  Speaker 4: my heart for it but it's transferred over to just
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  Speaker 4: in general because i'm the kind of person who has
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  Speaker 4: an entire collection of plastic knockoff popcorn buckets that that
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  Speaker 4: look like old-timey vintage popcorn buckets Or big ceramic ones
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  Speaker 4: that you're supposed to eat your popcorn with at home instead.
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  Speaker 4: Like I got to the point of being a nostalgic
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  Speaker 4: enough dork that I was getting like, well, I need
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  Speaker 4: this one because it looks different than this one. So
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  Speaker 4: now I'm nostalgic for the old timey popcorn that I
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  Speaker 4: got in an old timey theater. Then I don't go
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  Speaker 4: to it. So it's like I... have a weird appreciation
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  Speaker 4: for the concept of it. Right. But I'm also the
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  Speaker 4: same practical person that's like, but I kind of just
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  Speaker 4: want to sit at home and watch this movie because
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  Speaker 4: that's a lot easier.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 4: And I can only go certain times at a specific
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  Speaker 4: theater of experience. And I have to go like, I
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  Speaker 4: have to clear it out. I don't do anything during
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  Speaker 4: the week. It's like, I have to clear out a
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  Speaker 4: weekend and then I have to go in the middle
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  Speaker 4: of the day. Otherwise I'll just fall asleep because I'm
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  Speaker 4: an old man.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: But, Then also like, well, other weeks I have other
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  Speaker 4: stuff I'm doing then. So that means I'm canceling everything
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  Speaker 4: to go here. And that's the only thing I can
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  Speaker 4: do all day, which again is awesome. a good thing
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  Speaker 4: to one extent because you're focused on that, but it
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  Speaker 4: also means all that other stuff I was going to
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  Speaker 4: get done. Doesn't happen. No, there's a practical aspect of like,
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  Speaker 4: or I could watch this movie that's sitting on my
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  Speaker 4: shelf over here whenever I feel like it and still
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  Speaker 4: get stuff done at that time during the day that
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  Speaker 4: I want to go do stuff. So like, I get it.
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  Speaker 4: Like I get both ends of it. I am nostalgic
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  Speaker 4: for the old way. I do still try to treat
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  Speaker 4: the experience as a special thing, but, but I also
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  Speaker 4: see the practical end of, but I got stuff to
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  Speaker 4: do right now. And then later tonight at 10 o'clock,
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  Speaker 4: when I want to watch this movie, I can watch
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  Speaker 4: this movie. And then when I fall asleep, I can
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  Speaker 4: pause it and turn it back on when I want to.
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  Speaker 4: So like, there's so many practical things that come into
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  Speaker 4: play that like, I get it. Like I, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: so removed. Cause I feel like there is something about
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  Speaker 4: that with this generation that we've been talking about last episode,
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  Speaker 4: like the old people, that like we're set in their
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  Speaker 4: ways of the thing. There is almost like a, a
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  Speaker 4: deadly version of that, that like these guys have gotten
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  Speaker 4: so nostalgic that they, cause I know, well, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: there's someone I know and, and grew up around and like,
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  Speaker 4: when I see their stuff and it's usually just online,
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  Speaker 4: that's how we all see our presentation of who we are.
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  Speaker 4: And when I see them post stuff online, it's so
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  Speaker 4: nostalgic that I feel like they're almost sad that like,
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  Speaker 4: this isn't the way it is anymore. And that means
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  Speaker 4: I'm just a sad old man that lives in now times,
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  Speaker 4: but I wish I could live in the old. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm an old man, but I don't do that. Like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm still like, yes, I'm nostalgic for this thing or
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  Speaker 4: this movie or this specific thing that I enjoyed then,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm happy living where I am. I'm still enjoying
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  Speaker 4: the modern advantages of being in the year that I
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  Speaker 4: am now. I'm like, I don't want to time travel
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  Speaker 4: back to the olden days because there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: other things that weren't great then too. So I can't
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  Speaker 4: do that one. And two, it's not like it was
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  Speaker 4: a perfect time. So it's like, I don't get that...
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  Speaker 4: like distracted, like detached version of nostalgia. That's like, I
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  Speaker 4: want to live in the past. I don't have that.
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  Speaker 4: Like I, but I see that a lot with guys
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  Speaker 4: and maybe girls too, but mostly all the people I
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  Speaker 4: know of that have that syndrome almost is like they're
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  Speaker 4: old guys and they're just like, they'll constantly be posted
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  Speaker 4: about here's this thing and it was awesome. And these
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  Speaker 4: ways were the best. And I'm like, and, and it's
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  Speaker 4: also all they ever posted stuff from 50 years ago.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's not like, Hey, here's this new album
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  Speaker 4: I just picked up. It's awesome. Like, do you have
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  Speaker 4: nothing up today? Like as old man that I am,
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  Speaker 4: like I do still watch current things and listen to
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  Speaker 4: music that the darn kids are listening to today. And like,
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I'm not dead yet. I'm, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm pretty close, but like, I try to at least
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  Speaker 4: function as a, as a modern day human being. And like,
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a deadly version of nostalgia that sets
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  Speaker 4: in on people that like is unhealthy. And I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to get to that point. So it's like, I
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  Speaker 4: try to appreciate it, but I don't want to go
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  Speaker 4: down that road. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. I mean, that kind of like
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  Speaker 1: toxic nostalgia. I mean, because really, you just don't remember
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  Speaker 1: how shitty things were. All right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I kind of do. That's why I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to go back. Yeah, absolutely. I'm like, there are
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  Speaker 4: many other things about my life at that point that
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  Speaker 4: were not good. And they're still not good now, but
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  Speaker 4: it's a different version of it. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I would not go back. uh and and relive the
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  Speaker 1: 90s for any amount of money you know i mean
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's just uh that was uh not not
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  Speaker 1: not uh great times just mentally you know and uh
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  Speaker 1: you know so uh please please no no thank you
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  Speaker 1: no thank you i much rather thank you i much
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  Speaker 1: in the words of dio no no thank you right
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  Speaker 1: right i'm just i like quoting droids at this point
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  Speaker 1: yeah yeah right okay okay see that Yeah, exactly. Those
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  Speaker 1: are sort of early signs of a bigger problem.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, probably. These are my only friends. What do you want?
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  Speaker 4: As I mentioned, it's empty now, too. It's not just
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  Speaker 4: the olden days. It's also empty and hollow now, but
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  Speaker 4: I find new things to try, sadly, to fill it with.
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  Speaker 1: No, please, please. I really... I'm watching this documentary... Old
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  Speaker 1: man talking about a documentary.
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  Speaker 5: What?
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  Speaker 1: I watched this documentary about the actual age of the universe.
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  Speaker 1: And I was going like, you know what? We're not
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  Speaker 1: here long enough to really get old. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, in human terms, you know, yeah. Old man,
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  Speaker 1: young man, kid.
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  Speaker 4: We're a flip on the screen.
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  Speaker 1: Not even a, a pixel of static on a sea
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  Speaker 1: of snow after the, after they've stopped, you know, broadcasting. Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like one pixel in and out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and everything. So, you know, it's, it's amazing. Just, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's just amazing how the world changes within a lifetime,
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 4: And so, especially now, like, yeah, the further we get,
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  Speaker 4: the quicker everything changed. Like, If you go back to
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  Speaker 4: like the bronze age, I bet like not a whole
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  Speaker 4: lot changed in the entire span of someone's old age
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  Speaker 4: of 38. If they made it that long, that ancient
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  Speaker 4: person that made it to 38 was just like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in my day, ah, shit, it was all the same, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I'm lucky I've got.
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  Speaker 4: A piece of bronze to murder this person over here with.
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  Speaker 4: That's all I got, man. So I feel like, a
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  Speaker 4: long time in history it didn't change all that much
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  Speaker 4: you'd have like one new thing might show up in
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  Speaker 4: a generation and that was it and it made it
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  Speaker 4: just you know distinct change and things from that point
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  Speaker 4: changed a little but you know it's only in these
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  Speaker 4: last like 30 years or something that we were like
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  Speaker 4: oh no every five minutes is a new thing everything's
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  Speaker 4: gonna change every 15 minutes or so and the entire
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  Speaker 4: society is going to shift and become a whole new
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  Speaker 4: weird thing and if you don't like it give it
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  Speaker 4: a minute there'll be a whole new weird thing you don't.
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  Speaker 1: Like So, so yeah, yeah. Like this toxic nostalgia that, that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, people are like, Oh, Oh, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: things aren't as good as they used to be. They
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  Speaker 1: really just didn't take a good enough notes on what
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  Speaker 1: they were actually going through at that time. Um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: or really do you, do you want to want to
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  Speaker 1: be the ones people that peaked in high school, you know, and, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, uh.
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  Speaker 4: It's even younger for some of them, like I'm posting
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  Speaker 4: stuff about when they were little kids and I'm just like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to be that little kid. Like that
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  Speaker 4: little kid had a sucky, like, and not without people trying,
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  Speaker 4: like there was, right.
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  Speaker 1: It was just people, not everybody's memories of childhood are
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  Speaker 1: just like this golden era that, you know, everything was
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  Speaker 1: simple and easy, you know?
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, I mean, being a kid sucked, so I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to go through that again. And like, not
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  Speaker 4: that it doesn't suck now, but at least once you
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  Speaker 4: get older, like you have, I don't know that any
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  Speaker 4: of us have wisdom for real, but you at least
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  Speaker 4: have perspective. Perspective. picked up some stuff over the years
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  Speaker 4: and you find you found whatever your crutch is to
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  Speaker 4: get you through it's just you become okay with a
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  Speaker 4: certain window of things that you can do to get
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  Speaker 4: through a day and that yeah i don't know like
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  Speaker 4: i think people just forget that you didn't even have
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  Speaker 4: that as a kid you were just thrown to the
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  Speaker 4: wolves and like okay figure out life go for it
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  Speaker 4: i'm just like no No, I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 4: want that. I don't want to be nostalgic for that bullshit.
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  Speaker 4: I can pick out like the things along the way.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, Hey, remember when you watched DT?
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  Speaker 1: That was cool.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. Well, you can still watch that now. You don't
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  Speaker 4: have to go back to 1982. You can, I have
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  Speaker 4: these videos sitting next to me. I can watch whatever
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  Speaker 4: the hell I want, no matter how old it is.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know. People just get nostalgic for the
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  Speaker 4: wrong aspects of things. I feel like.
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  Speaker 1: I think so too. I think so too. Yeah. It's,
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  Speaker 1: it's cool. It's interesting seeing nostalgia kicking in on my
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  Speaker 1: oldest kid. She's like, Oh man, I remembered this from 2010.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, Oh, what? Three minutes ago.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I was going to say that's not even, not even like, nevermind.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that was 13 years ago.
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  Speaker 4: See, that's what I don't think about. Like, I still
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  Speaker 4: think of the two thousands as the modern times. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, wait, that was 23 years ago when this happened.
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  Speaker 1: Like, Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so there's, there's, you don't remember. Here's, here's a
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  Speaker 1: perfect example. All right. They brought back here in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: There was a radio station called 99 X and it
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  Speaker 1: played all the indie or, or like, you know, alt rock.
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  Speaker 1: It was the alt rock station back when there was
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  Speaker 1: alt rock.
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  Speaker 4: So I would be listening to that back.
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  Speaker 1: In the day. Everybody listened to 99 X and you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was like 88.5, which was the Georgia state radio
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  Speaker 1: and 99 X was the bank, the corporate. radio station
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  Speaker 1: but you know you know anyway so you go like
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  Speaker 1: uh then you know music changes over time and then
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  Speaker 1: you know uh it goes through and then you go
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  Speaker 1: like oh they just don't make music they used to
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  Speaker 1: anyway but then uh and then uh what's my god
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  Speaker 1: they they recently they brought back 99x here in atlanta
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  Speaker 1: and you're going like oh good i can listen to
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  Speaker 1: radio again and uh and then i realized uh i
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  Speaker 1: liked what i liked of the era but i had
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  Speaker 1: forgotten all the other stuff i'd forgotten how much i
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  Speaker 1: hated dave matthews band and uh yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That was one that did not creep in on me
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  Speaker 4: i like a lot of stuff that other people consider
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  Speaker 4: crap but i did not go down the dave matthews
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  Speaker 4: road And.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, thank you for bringing back 99 X
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  Speaker 1: and reigniting this hatred I have for that band.
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  Speaker 4: I assume it was bought by that Twitter guy. Like
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  Speaker 4: I'm making everything X coming back. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So it's good.
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  Speaker 1: So there's good. So, so once you, if you really
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  Speaker 1: were put back in that era, you forgot all the
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  Speaker 1: times that the movie theater brain wrapped and broke halfway
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  Speaker 1: through focus was bad. Sometimes there would be a wobble
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  Speaker 1: in the, you don't, you don't, you don't remember all that.
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  Speaker 4: Or you forget that you used to sit level and
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  Speaker 4: like the person in front of you was blocking the screen.
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  Speaker 4: Like I went to an older theater lately. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I forgot about this. I can't see half of this screen. Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: You're like always the big tall person sitting in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they always sit directly in front of you. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm just like, this is why we came up with
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  Speaker 4: Stadium C. You can actually see the screen. So some
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  Speaker 4: improvements are actually an improvement. Right.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that you have a cushy recliner that lifts
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  Speaker 1: your legs. And so you're just like basically... you're basically
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  Speaker 1: at home in the movies.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Can you imagine if you went back in time
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  Speaker 4: and kidnapped that little kid in 1982 and then showed
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  Speaker 4: them this thing that you're sitting in now, your perfect
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  Speaker 4: view of the screen and you're taking a nap in
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  Speaker 4: a recliner and you got a cup holder built in
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  Speaker 4: and you didn't even have that. You used to sit
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  Speaker 4: your drink on the damn floor.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Right. Next to the sticky popcorn. You sat your drink there.
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  Speaker 1: Right this is i have not thought about that exactly
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  Speaker 1: it's what.
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying it's a whole nother world now and people
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  Speaker 4: don't remember you people would walk by and kick your
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  Speaker 4: damn rake over.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's on the floor it's all on the floor
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  Speaker 1: right right yeah yeah no no it's different it's different
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  Speaker 1: and that's an improvement i would say though the the
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  Speaker 1: The last, not the last, what kind of turned me
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  Speaker 1: away from going to the movies was I went to
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  Speaker 1: go see the Shyamalan knock on the cabin door movie.
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  Speaker 4: I've heard of it. Yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 1: You talked it on the show, I think.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody saw it. They were telling me about it. I
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  Speaker 4: still haven't gotten around to it. I'm fine. I'll watch
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  Speaker 4: it eventually.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine. It's not going to change your life. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we went to go see that. And it was a
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  Speaker 1: fine movie. But just the experience. I was going like,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the screen is bigger on my sheet
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  Speaker 1: at home. Because I'm so far away. And the sound
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  Speaker 1: is not right. You know, the sound ain't good. You
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  Speaker 1: become a real snob of sound when you can't hear
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  Speaker 1: as well.
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  Speaker 4: And you can't see as well. Let me turn up
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  Speaker 4: my hearing aid.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on.
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  Speaker 4: Get out my spectacles.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying, I'm just saying the theater
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  Speaker 1: experience isn't what it used to be.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just saying I'm better than them is what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just, no, I'm just exactly. I'm better is what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm better. I have refined taste and films
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  Speaker 1: should be, you know, performed. It's shown at as high
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  Speaker 1: as a thing available. But then I went to go
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  Speaker 1: see Spider-Verse 2 and saw that in a different theater chain.
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  Speaker 1: And the experience was amazing. So I was just like, man,
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  Speaker 1: there's certain things you should see in a theater, certain
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  Speaker 1: things you can probably see at home. But I mean, really,
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  Speaker 1: if you see it at home, it's fine because all
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  Speaker 1: the other things are good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of things are fine at home. Again,
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: I have... appreciation for the theater there I still want
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: to go sometimes just not every weekend but I'm still
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: gonna be watching movies every weekend so it's like I'm
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: gonna sit at home and watch whatever the hell I
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: want and I'm not going to worry about it. Like, again,
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: people get so up in arms about it. It's like,
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: you shouldn't do that. You know, they get so one
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: way about it all. I'm just like, eh, I'm going
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: to watch what I want to watch where I want
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: to watch it. Like, I appreciate the freedom we have
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: now to kind of do what we want to do
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: and kind of create your own little, like, I like
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: movies or I'm going to watch a streaming service. I like,
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: you know, sitting here having my coffee, watching at home,
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: or I want to go to the theater and get
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: fancy popcorn that probably costs too much.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Like, I like that you can kind of pick and
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: choose and do whatever the hell you want.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: There's options. There's options. And there used to be, there
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: used to be two options. It was like broadcast television,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: which looked like crap.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: And I watched that too.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Watched it. When I think.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Back of, I still have, speaking of old timey nostalgia,
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: the opening themes to your like Sunday night movie of
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: the week. Like I love those. And like, that's the thing,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: because as a kid that was watching movies to me, like,
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like when I was geared up to
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: watch the Poseidon adventure, it was going to come on
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Sunday night and it was going to be the movie
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: of the week. And it was going to be interrupted
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: by commercial edit stuff out of it. And like, there's
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: all this crap that was like a downside. but to
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: me that was still watching a movie and I was excited. Right.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: And like that, that, you know, I was just glad
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: to get what I had. So we just readjust as
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: we go. And like, now I can watch it unedited.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: I can pause when I want to. I couldn't do
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: that for TV either. Yeah. I can make whatever snacks
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: I want at home. Like, you know, there's aspects to
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: it that have changed, but there's new good things that
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: came along with it. So it's just, I don't know.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: I like pick and choose and watch what you want
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: to watch the way you want to watch it.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Honestly, it's never been better. But honestly, come on, guys.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: It's never been better. It's never been better, especially over
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: at his house. You should totally go to his house,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: except he doesn't want you there. But it's a way
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: better movie. If I wanted to watch a movie with people,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I would go to a movie theater.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: He's a weird antisocial dude. He doesn't want you over
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: at his house. But if you were there, you'd be like,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: this is so much better.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Right, right. I'm constantly just trying to force my taste
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: in movies on people. on my kids. And sometimes it takes, no,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: thank you. No, thank you. I'll wait for this guy
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: to react to it. But, but what, anyway, so this
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: all leads to this Barbie, Barbie, Barbie, what are they
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: calling it?
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Barbageddon.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Barbageddon. I'm just going to call it Barbageddon. Oppenheimer, Barbenheimer. Barbenheimer.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Barbenheimer Smith. I don't know what, I mean, they have
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: to write something. That's my name too. Yeah, right, right. They,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: you know, people have to write something. So, you know,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the headline Barbenheimer, but I would say that in my household,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: For the first time, I can remember, you know, people
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: talking about movies that they're excited to go see. All right.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: And people don't get that much.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: No, no. I did have the experience where people talking
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: about movies at work. not so often they'll occasionally bring
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: something up. They'll, they'll talk about like a star Wars
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: series or something like, or game of Thrones or something
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: like that, you know, but they don't really talk about
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: being excited to go and see a movie at the movies.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: And so this was interesting. I was going like, Barbie
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: is the thing that's going to save the movies or
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: something like that. I'm like Barbie.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: It isn't, especially when you first saw that they were
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: making a Barbie movie. I was like, Ooh, I mean,
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of those straight to video things
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: they made back in the day and they were pretty scary.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: I hope they do a good job. You know, I
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: saw they got better as we brought in a director
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: and we brought in the cast. It was like, all right,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: promising at least. But I still did not expect that
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: response that we all got.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Definitely not. Definitely not. And and, you know, no, I mean,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I wasn't I'm. I'm not a girl and I wasn't
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: raised with that weird social thing of Barbie ism and
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, you know, and every, every girl who's
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: ever lived probably had a Barbie, you know, and I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: get that. So there is one at least. Yeah. You're issued.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, like your rifle and full metal jacket,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: you know, this is my Barbie. There are many like that,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: but this is mine.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: And she has the most awesome outfit. You other girls
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: outfits are lame.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Clothing the barbie is like uh.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Mine has the best detail right exactly yeah yeah exactly
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: so so so there's that you know and even if
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: you just tore.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: The heads all the barbies and they were like you
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: know i do like.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: That what i've seen is there is a jacked up
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: barbie played by and it's the perfect actress to be
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: the jacked up barbie so i do like uh what's
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: her name from the news.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Clusters oh okay cool cool cool oh is it the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: wig No, the other one. Oh, the other SNL.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Okay.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Who else would play the jacked up Barbie?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: That's awesome. What I've seen of her, she looks genius as,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: you know, most of her insane characters from SNL. It
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: looks like one of those only brought to the big screen.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Some of my youngest daughter's Barbies ended up
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: looking like serial killer art, you know, so that was a. So, yeah,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: that needed to be addressed. So I think just the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: fact that so, you know, I had that movie come
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: out in the 90s or have been like treated like
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: a Flintstone movie or something like that.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Oh, most definitely. You know, so we had a lot
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: of that trying to capture a pop culture phenomenon and
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: then turn it into a cheesy movie. Like we did
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: it with every like sitcom that we then made into
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: a feature film and like for every Brady Bunch movie
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: that kind of got it and found a way to
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: do it in a weird, interesting way. There's a million
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: other Flintstones and every other one that missed the mark.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: And nobody showed up for it. They just watched it
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: and was like, what is this? You didn't even, you
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: didn't make the show I used to like, but you
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: didn't make a good new movie either. So what are
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: we going for?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: It was just, you know, we're going for a happy
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: meal commercial.
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: And, and it misses the mark even for that. Right.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. And so, so, you know, the fact that
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: all these people were excited about it and they, There's
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the social media aspect about it, about dressing up and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: then taking your Instagrams as you go see this movie.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: That's an unusual thing. Yeah.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: So when my eldest went, they went and they bought
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: out like a row, you know, everybody just bought the
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: ticket and you got to pre-buy them. So they just
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: bought their row of seats, you know, and I'm going like, how,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: how does my kid know that many people? anyway. So, um,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: my kid. Yeah. I failed. I failed.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: I only know three people in the whole.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: How are you? How are you doing this? Um, cause
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: we did not give you those tools, um, to do this. Uh,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: so anyway, but it was a big deal to go
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: as a group and dress up. And it's kind of
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: like a Rocky horror kind of excitement about it, about
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: going and making a scene, uh, and being at the
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: scene and dressing up to do the scene and being
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: part of a pop culture event. And I was going like,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: how did Barbie become that? And it seems like just
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: such a throwaway commercial cash-in for this IP that has
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: name value. It totally worked for... I think it worked
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: for adults. My youngest daughter went to go see it
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: with my wife and she didn't really enjoy it because
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's kind of like got adult references.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: It's a little too smart for its own good.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe. Right. Anyway, we got this indie cool indie director
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and everything to make it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Again, she's not going to make the straight to video
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: 90s thing that was like Barbie going, let's exercise. Right, right.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Barbie and the fairy kingdom and stuff.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I saw a lot of those.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Not on purpose. We would put them in at work. Sure.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: And every time I'd just look up and go, what
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: is this? Like, it just didn't make sense to my brain.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: And that's my messed up brain. But even that, like,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: it was a different breed and it was cute. gearing
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: it for kids and like it wasn't trying very.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Hard it was no no it's movement.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Some new barbies that you can buy next season yeah
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: yeah you know it's.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Like land before time sequels you know yeah and it's
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: just barely barely a cartoon you know.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Cartoon and we're gonna put some songs in and you're
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: not really gonna remember them but their songs all.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Right the worst songs the worst songs oh my gosh
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: um so yeah so it was it was interesting to see,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: you know, like Barbie, like, like taking over, like everybody's, uh,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and people being excited about seeing a movie. And then,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you know, so I, I, I'm more fascinated about that
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: than like Oppenheimer, which, you know, so much of the marketing.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Was just such an uplifting story. Right. Right. Right. The
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: tale of blowing up.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. Basically how, humanity invented its own destruction, you know? Uh, so,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: so that's good at that. Fantastic. Let's go sit three hours. Uh, but,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: but the marketing was like, you know, this is an
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: important movie to see in the theater. But what was
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: interesting was, you know, I had people excited, uh, to
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: see that, you know, and, uh, sometimes the same people,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: sometimes the same people, they.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Kept interviewing people on TV and they were like, we're
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: going to do both today.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Like they were back to.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Back going to see one. And then the other, I
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: was like, That is a weird day of programming.
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: So you probably got like, uh, uh, a 100 minute
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Barbie fantasy movie with a kind of a sarcastic sense
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: of humor. And then you got Oppenheimer, which is three
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: hours of the weightiest. Oh my gosh. I was going
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: to say the one thing that I don't miss about
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: going to the movie theater is the, I went to,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: you go see a movie at 12 and then you
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: come out at three, like hung over and disoriented. And
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: you're looking at the sun, like what is happening? You're
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: just kind of like hung over for the rest of
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the day.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: You know, well and that's that is one of those
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: things like the handful of times now when i do
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: set aside a whole day and i'm like okay i'm
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: gonna go but even that theater has like tinted windows
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: yeah so i'll walk out and i'm like what is
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: it like seven o'clock like what time oh it's 3
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: 30 i can't my brain is messed up so i
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: don't know what time it is i look outside i
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: can't see what time it is because it looks like
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: it's night already yeah it's like this is the most
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: disorienting world that i visit every once in a while Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: It's like upside down world. It's like coming out of
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the matrix and you're just kind of like, you're like
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: so disoriented. You're going like, well, really the brist of
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: my day is shot because it's going to take me
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the all day just to get over the, whatever this.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: That's what I was saying before. That's one of the
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: things that I spread them out a little bit because
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I've got other stuff I want to do.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: That's also enjoyable. Like I don't want to kill what
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: I'm doing other days just to do that every time.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Like I love watching movies, but like, occasionally I know
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: it's weird coming from me. Occasionally I want to go
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: do other stuff. I mean, I don't have much, but
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: every once in a while I'm like, I just want
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: to go here and do this for a day. It's just,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: you really have to adjust that. when you know you're
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: going all in for the movie theater experience you just.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Gotta expect you might be garbage the rest of the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: day um because hey you've just drank like a gallon
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: of soda you've just carved out and buttered out and
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: salted out for like you know more than you do
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and plus you know you've sugared yourself up you've caffeine
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: yourself out you you you know ate like two hours
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: worth of junk food.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: But luckily I've lifted my spirits with Oppenheimer.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Joy right yeah exactly and you know it's always i
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: think everett said would a documentary about the same subject
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: be better you know depends on who's making it i'd
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: say right right right that's true that's true so so
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: you know nolan is seen as like the uh savior
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: of cinema, but I mean, you know, but it was
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: really Barbie came in. And so, I mean, came in
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and got people back, not just film snobs or history nuts.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Especially when you brought up the, the experience. Cause that's,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: once you started talking about that, I was like, when's
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: the last time that's happened? Like people want to be
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: part of the whole scene, not just go to see
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: the movie.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, right.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: You know, even in the olden days, like there were
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: lines wrapped around the corner, but people weren't that invested really.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: They just stand in line a long time. So it's
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: like it, and maybe that came with this next couple
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: of generations. It's like, it wasn't necessarily the, the people
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: standing in line to see star Wars in 77, you know,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: it's like, it was like, the dorks in 99 that
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: went to see the Phantom Menace were dressed up where,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: you know, creating their own little communities out in the lobby.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: Like it became a whole thing. Yeah. Which is funny
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: that it backfired because it's the movie that so many
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: people didn't like, but it was like that because that
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: didn't carry over. Like you saw maybe a few people
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: show up in costume for the next two movies, but
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: it was not that community again. ever really like even
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: when the in the sequel era came back like nothing
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: like that happened again i was trying to think outside
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: of like phantom menace era maybe the harry potter kids
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: like those kids got super deep into it and like
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: they created experiences and camped out and like came in
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: costume and brought wands and like we're running around the
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: lobby you know it's like that was Cause even, you know,
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: the weird, I was thinking this lately, I forgot about
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: what the impact of twilight was when it happened, but
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: it was just popular. It wasn't that kind of immersive
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: experience where Harry Potter was.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: It really was.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: So that's, I mean, that's, I'm sure there's other sort of,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: you know, versions over the years, but those were the
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: only like big peaks I can think of really that
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: were like kids got super excited about the thing again,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like it wanted to be part of
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: the scene and created a community built around it. Right.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: That's so rare at this point that, yeah, it's like Barbie,
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: who would have seen that in the next one?
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: There's no predicting that. I mean, that's just really bizarre.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, it looked like from the trailer, like, like,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: like they tried that it had good production values, but
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, everything has good production values.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: At this point, if you're a studio movie, it's, I mean,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: you almost have to go out of your way to
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: make it look bad, you know?
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much like those Halloween movies we're talking about.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, low budget horror films now look like,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, Terrence Malick films.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, it's just phenomenal when you hire yourself
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: a good cinematographer and you've got a, fancy digital camera
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: and like everything looks good. Yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's just all a preset. Now you just
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: hit like amazing film.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Look, and even when it does it, you've got six
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: months afterwards to fix everything in post and you can
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: do it because it's digital. Like you can actually go in,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: you can change colors. You can remove people sometimes. Like
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: you can change everything about it after the fact that
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: didn't used to be a thing either. So yeah, yeah
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: it's such a process you can create kind of whatever
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: you want so then it falls back on you know
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: the writer or the director of like well what are
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: you gonna do now that you have this freedom to
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: do anything can you do anything not everybody.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Can not everybody can but hey i can.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's the next area you're gonna have.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: To hit that's the next thing so so yeah so So,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: you know, like with Photoshop now, you just type in
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: put UFO in sky and then you just adjust it
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: and it just does it all for you, you know?
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: And my kids, I don't think... have written anything since
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: jet chief gpd came out and just said there's a
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: computer right about uh of mice and men you know
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: i don't even understand.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: How it does that like the visual creating makes a
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: little more sense in my brain but the words coming
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: out and making sense like the levels of it having
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: to know how a human brain works to be able
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: to do that is a.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Little creepy yeah yeah and and you know it's not
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: like they're, it's not like well-written. I mean, it's real, like,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of basic, you know, it's a step
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: up from what they were taught. It's a step up
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: from what they're able.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: To, I don't want to think back on what I
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: was writing.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Oh, geez. What? Talk about tangents.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Jeez.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, so AI, you know, So,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's what part of the strike
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: is about, you know, and there's that movie. Oh, the
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: first new episode of Black Mirror was just about licensing
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: your likeness for a digital projection and to a show.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: And so, you know, digital, digital likenesses of people.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: And that's the one that's kind of scary, really. Yeah,
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: that you especially if you were a performer and it's like, OK,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: I'm living off of going and showing up for this
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: thing and standing in front of a camera and creating
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: a character and a role and. So when they can
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: scan you once and be done with you and like
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: put you into whatever they want forever, like that's as
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: a performer, that's pretty scary. Yeah.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: That's weird. Right. It's weird.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: Legally could do that. Like if you sign the document,
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: when you sign up for it and like, there are
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: desperate actors out there that are barely getting by that
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: would probably do it just because they need that immediate
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: paycheck in their hand. Right. But then long-term you're screwed
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: because they don't need you anymore.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Can plug you in wherever they want with the computer
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: after that.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, so you got, you know, fake, not even
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the actor, you know.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: A computer writing everything for you.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: The computer writing the dialogue based on, you know, latest
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: test market research. So no, no complaining writers about how
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: they were supposed to be the next Steinbeck, you know,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: and now they're, now they're making a Barbie too, you know,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Or Sonic the Hedgehog, you know, seven or whatever. Right.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: And so so you don't have to deal with that anymore.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, with, you know, and so it's
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: all basically a cartoon, a photorealistic cartoon, you know, computer
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: make me and make me 90 minute with this script,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: you know, style of filming, you know, Sam Raimi or whatever,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: you know. And it just puts it all together. And
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: so then you tweak it where, you know, the algorithm
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: got confused and then you put it out and it,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: you know, you just made a feature film and, you know,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: you know, a weekend and just goes on to the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: pyre of all the other content that is constantly as,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: as AI just gets better and stops making just like
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: YouTubes of presidents eating spaghetti, but actual, you know, narrative stories.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: And then, so like the product is just going to
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: be so awesome. overwhelming and you don't know if it
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: was a person or a computer or an AI or what,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you know, what was, is anything. And so there's going
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: to be a whole generation of people who don't care,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: but I think there's going to be a whole, I
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: think there's going to be a group of people like
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: seeing my daughter appreciate physical media. I go like, I
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: think like live events and actually seeing somebody with your
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: own eyes, do something in reality that I think that's
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: going to become a premium kind of experience.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: It is like, again, when we were before, I guess
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: by now, probably back to the last episode, when we
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: were talking about like physical things going on, that was
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: one of the ones I was going to mention that
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: like of, of like seeing going out to see, you know,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: movies and stuff. But I was like the thing that
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: is so huge now. And the thing that I can't
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: do because it's so huge now, like even on the media,
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: on the, on the news, local news does almost nothing but,
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: talk about the new concerts that are coming to town.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, those tickets are like $ 150. If you're
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: in the cheap seats. Exactly. Cause they were the biggest
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: tours in the world that were making a stop here.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: And I'm just like, I can't do that. Financially speaking,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: I can't do that. And I've seen some before when
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: they were a little cheaper and I'm like, it's weird
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: because it is to some extent they're there physically in
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: the room, but they're also so far away. You're still
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: watching it on a screen.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Be able to see what they're doing. So I'm like,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: are we fixing it? Well, it's sitting in a public place,
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: watching a screen. to see a person who came to
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: this town to see you, but they can't see you
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: because there's too many people and they're so far away.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: But thankfully you paid $ 300 for these fancy seats.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: You got to say, you got to say it's worth
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: it because that's actually them and not a digital character.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: It's like, you're basically saying like, it's, I'm going to
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: spend 10 times what I guess I could just listen
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to this album at home and it'd be perfect. But
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: for me to actually see something that, a person do
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: what they're good at. And I know it's actually them,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: not some weird deep fake of something. It's going to be,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I think people, I, okay. So this sounds like crazy
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: old man, but it's just going to like, it's going
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: to like, how are you going to know what, what online,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: what is real and what is not. And I think this,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the technology has gotten to the point where you're not
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: going to know. And so, it's like personal visceral experience
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: is going to become like the, the, the hot new fat.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you really can't tell a lot of
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: stuff anymore because that's what, especially like when you get
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: stuff that's streaming on your social medias and, Someone forced
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: me to get TikTok because they kept going, I'm going
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: to send this thing to you. And then like they
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: send a few and like most people, then they don't care.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: And so now I've got this on my stupid phone
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: and they never send anything anymore. So now every once
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: in a while it tells me, oh, this new thing
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: is there and I'll open it up. I'll be like,
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: what the hell is this? So I'm already so annoyed
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: with the way, first of all, just the way it
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: functions as an app. I think it's terrible the way
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: it's set up. on many levels that I won't even
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: bother going into old man rant on that. But it's
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: funny that the other day, like the other day I couldn't,
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: like I was getting the same things because it's on
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: my algorithm and I will not go down what road
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: that is. But I was like almost testing the algorithm.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: I was like, and then see what I get. So
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: I was listening to something about cryptids the other day.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay, let me see the cryptid videos
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: that are on freaking tick tock.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: And the thing is like, they come up, And I'm like, well, yeah,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: they I mean, the things we've been looking at since
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: the Bigfoot footage in the 60s look fake and these
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: look fake, but they look so much better fake. Right.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, everyone that pops up and I'm like,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: it's not like I'm like, oh, that's fake. Oh, I'm like, yeah,
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: they're all fake. But they all look uniform, the same
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: amount of production put into them. So I'm like, this
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: creature running alongside the highway at night looks as good
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: as this creature that crept into my game cam. I mean,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: they all look the same amount of fake and good.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, you can't even single one out and
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: be like, well, this is stupid. This looks fake. They
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: all look fake, but they all look well-produced fake to
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: the point that I don't care about any of them anymore.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: So now I'm going to get nothing but cryptid feed,
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: which is fine. That's better than most things.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: But I, it was a good example of like, well,
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: everything's going to get to that point. Everything's going to
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: look the same and going to be about the same
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: production value because it's all uniform at some point when
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: it's all in the same computer program.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: So we're kind of getting to that in, in like
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: produced projects anymore too. Yeah. So it did make me
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: think once you were, once you were going over that
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: before we, we kind of went off on the music
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: version of it, but, but what if this kind of
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: creates its own like sort of anti-movement of like, because yes,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: corporate's going to be nothing but these, you know, everything's
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: written by an AI and features fake robot computer scanned people.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: That like, are we, I don't know that that's going
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: to happen. Maybe it's just me creating the future alternate
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: universe Planet of the Apes style where everything riffs and
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: like we have different groups. But like, what if the
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: writers all get together and the actors all get together
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: like they are right now? And they're like, no, screw it.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: We're not doing that. So they are going to do
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: their own thing. And there really are going to be
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: nothing but human run operations somewhere that's pumping stuff out.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: for somebody who's like a kid, like your daughter, who's
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: like all of a sudden like, woo, wait, this has
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: actual people making it. This is awesome. Like there might
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: be a whole new movement that comes out of this.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: That's kind of like when we had our weird offshoot
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: of like mumble core for a while, we were like,
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: we're going to shoot this for no budget with a
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: six people that I know. And like, we would just
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: do bullshit like that.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Like it hit for a while.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe it did.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: Maybe it didn't. Well, maybe this is like a bigger
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: version of that where it's going to be like, okay,
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: we're rejecting the entire system that created this bullshit. And like,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: we're going to make our own thing with, you know,
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: actual writers and human living people. And like, we're going
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: to shoot it. And like, I don't know, like, I
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: wonder if that's a possibility of where we could, even
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: if it's not that big version of it, but if
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: there's going to be a, again, a mumble core movement,
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: a pocket version of that, where it's like, okay, these
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: are all indie filmmakers and real actors and they got
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: together and they made this for next to nothing. And
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: it's gonna, you know, not be on the big screens
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: where Barbie's showing, but it's gonna, you know, because now
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: everything can get distributed to your house, to your phone.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: They can still put it out there and find weird
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: little pocket groups of people that are like, okay, I'm
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: responding to this because it's not that corporate mass produced
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: computer produced thing. So I don't know, like, is that,
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: is that a possibility that it's going to cause a
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: rift in the entertainment industry, maybe a little bigger than
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: these little offshoots over the years?
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, maybe. Well, I mean, it sounds, I mean,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: what you're describing is very punk, you know, and so
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I would love it if that happens, you know, and
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: it could possibly happen. I mean, I see it as like,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: we could have like, you know, certified made by humans,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of products, you know, kind of like
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: made in America.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Seal of approval. Human made.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: And as those algorithms get better and entertainment just gets better.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, better. I mean, for the math, you know,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: for most people, it's like, wow, that was every time.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: It's like a satisfying story with a satisfying arc and
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: well-defined characters, because that's what the algorithm is just going
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: to produce. And so they're actually making better entertainment than
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: humans can make, you know, and then super humans. Right, right.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: It's so entertaining and so perfect. Every time you'd never
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: have every movie is a 10, you know, and, you know,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: it's like a new masterpiece is mass produced every freaking,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: you know, seven minutes.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: And I mean, but based on the things that I
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: pump into the computer art generators and it spits back
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: this weird world, I'm like, is every movie going to
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: be in that world?
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: Maybe they'll get better and they'll learn to mimic humans
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: a little better, but well, In a way, that was
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: the only thing that was interesting about those, you know,
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: throw in a description and see what the computer gives
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: you is like, it was such a bastardized version of
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: everything that I was just like, well, this is fascinating.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know that I want nothing but this and
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: I don't consider it real art, but it's interesting.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: So yeah. But real art. So you're going like, you know,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it's like kind of like when we went from taking
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: pictures with film to digital is like people who are
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: into photography would say, you're not really a photographer unless
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: you develop your own. Right. Right. You didn't develop it.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: You don't know what you're talking about. You have no
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: financial or emotional or intellectual investment into this product that
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: you're making, you know, so it's not, I'm not operating
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: on the level that I am.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, I am one of those people. I take
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: photos all the time. I pretend like I'm a photographer.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: I'm using air quotes over here. You can't say, but
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: I'm a photographer, but I'm like, do I know how to,
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: I started on film, but I still took it and
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: dropped it off at the local store to have it done.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: Like I never got into that. And which again, cause
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: it seemed like more trouble than it was worth when
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: I could just I want the photo. I don't need
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: the process to get it. So is that the same
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: thing here? I want the end result of my movie.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: I don't need the process of writing it or hiring actors.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: So that's the question.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Is that, yeah. Which, which road are we on here? Right.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Do you want, is there, is there value to movies
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: because it is a, it was a pain in the
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: ass for them to make it. It was a, it
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: was because they're a, is part of the movie going experience,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: knowing that it was a person there who spent the
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: three years of their lives to make it put in
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: the sacrifice, put in the emotional and the intellectual steam
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: and to organize all these people to come together for
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: a common goal, to make a project for you to
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: sit here and, and watch and, and, and think about,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes make fun of and make fun of. Right.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: I still like that for movies. I've been doing that
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: for years now. Like I still, even though we're just,
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: at the time we're creeping into the cg world and
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: that but i'm like i look back and like the
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: stuff that when i'm on the show talking about how
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: much i appreciate movies it's usually stuff from like the
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: 70s and 80s and i'm specifically talking about because it
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: was hard to do this it was hard to either
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: find the right place to do it. That already looked
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: like that or build a set that looks like crap,
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: but like it at least represents what you're looking for
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: and then get people, you know, together to come be
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: bad actors in this. Or maybe you had enough money
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: to hire real actors, but like every step of it
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: was so complicated. The fact that any movie ever got
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: made back then is amazing.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: So that I appreciate, but I mean, now it's, you've
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: got a million people working on it. I guess it's
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: even more complex technically when you're making your CG filled thing.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: And we'll be even more so once it's written by
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: robots that somebody has to program. And like, it's still
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: going to be complicated. The more it goes down this
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: non-human world, but I don't know. Like, I still think
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: I appreciate the physical aspects of those other ones. Right.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: So I don't know. Maybe I am. need to appreciate
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: people who develop their own film more so than the
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: crap I post on Instagram that I took with my
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: digital camera.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Well, it just, you know, when you know how deep
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: a certain subject goes, you can just have an appreciation
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: for it. You know, it's like, uh, you know, so
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying, you know, no, I don't
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: want to like go turn one of my rooms into
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: a dark room so I can take pictures. So I
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: don't have enough real photographer, you know, but I'm just like,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: I'm going like, I appreciate people who appreciate that, but
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I'm just going like, what is the value of a movie?
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Does the value of a movie change when you know
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: that nobody was involved in the process?
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, I definitely thought that as we went into
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: the bigger budget action things, you know, when I, when
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: I look and I'm, will actually usually have a lot
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: of good things to say about Marvel. I kind of
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: get tired of people bad mouthing it, but at the
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: same time, I also see that like these last several,
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like, you don't even feel like you're
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: in the world. Like, you know, the last several of it,
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: like literally they've said it in an alternate, uh, universe
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: you know you're watching that ant-man and like nothing in
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: it looks real because it's in an alternate sub tiny
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: micro universe and everything can look fucking crazy and i'm
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: like that's great but it also disconnects you a little
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: bit yeah right so there's that kind of stuff but
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: also when it comes to like the stunts and stuff
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: i'm like when i'm watching that i know they're on
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: a wire in front of a green screen like nobody's
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: gonna get injured And then I go back and watch
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: like some action movies from the eighties. And I'm like,
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: that guy almost died. That guy almost died every few minutes.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: I'm like, Oh my God, that almost killed somebody. Like
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: there's something very real about the old way they used
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: to do stuff. And granted, it was also like dangerous.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: Not really a good idea to put people in that
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: amount of danger, but there's an interesting aspect that kind
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: of ups the ante a little bit that you're like, okay,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: now I want to watch this because this, you know,
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: you can go watch all the flying on wires Kung
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: Fu you want. But when, you know, Jackie Chan almost
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: killed himself 17 times making this movie, like it's a
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: different angle, you know, it's a different thing. It's a
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: different level of commitment.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Right. And so, and so that level of commitment, that level.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: And so, you know, how exposed the, the filmmaker is,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: you know, how much of it are they, putting into it?
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Are they phoning it in? Are they really shooting for something?
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Are they really trying to achieve something that maybe they
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: don't know how to achieve? All that kind of drama,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I think just kind of adds value to a piece
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: of work versus auto algorithm generated uh, uh, uh, like
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: music or something like that, you know, yeah, that's a
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: catchy beat, but I know nobody actually touched this, you know, uh,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: it was, uh, a button pushed generated. So, I mean,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: it has a different value and it may be entertaining,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: but it just doesn't have, for me, it doesn't have
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: value because I know nobody lost any sleep over it,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: you know? Uh, but, but, but what's interesting is the,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: just the, uh, you know, this technology was, uh, designed
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: to set you know artists free of like financial uh
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: uh restraints uh that you could not afford artists or
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: studios well i would say artists i would.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: Say studios don't want to pay the artist yeah right
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: that's true so that sets them free from giving anyone
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: any money right right right but there's 50 people behind
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: you uh willing to work uh 80 hour weeks to
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: make this uh Butterfly and the new Ant-Man, you know,
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: come to life.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: So I guess the thought is, yeah, for the artist
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: that now that if you could afford, you know, this computer.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: And so it was kind of a punk kind of thing,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: like freeing you from, you know, the modern distribution and
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: financial tricks you had to do to make a movie.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: So now you're free of that. So now you're empowered
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: to make your own thing. And now it's becoming to
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: the point where you don't even have to do that.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: It's almost like now, you know, people don't even have to.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Everything's become. It's weird because now it's like it's not
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: freeing the artist. Now it's like it's freeing them from.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: The reason to be there, you're free to go and
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: work at the burger shack.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Because we don't need you anymore. We don't need you
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: anymore because basically if most people don't care, if it
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: was generated by an algorithm versus a person, I.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: Mean, depending on who you talk to, that's true. I, again,
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: I feel like the, I use this all the time.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: The regular people of the world that, that occasionally bring
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: up movies with you. those people, I don't think care. Like,
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: you know, cause I have, I have a few lately
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: that I guess because they still kind of know I
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: do this, but they don't fully understand it. And they
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: sure as hell don't want to listen, but they know
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: it has something to do with movies. You know, they're
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: just like, Oh yeah, something. I think it's online. I
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: don't know. Like they don't get it, but they know
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: just enough that when it comes time for pleasantries, they
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: can be like, oh, have you seen any movies lately?
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: I've got one that will continually tell me what they
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: watched lately as though I'm fascinated by their take on it.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Which I am, but for the wrong reason.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: Because I think they are a perfect candidate of someone
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: who would not care if everything was created, written by
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: a computer, shot on a green screen somewhere with digital
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: actors that were scanned 20 years ago and nobody gets
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: paid for. I don't think they would care. I think
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: they would watch it and be like, no, it's fine.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: Like they're not invested anyway. So they're just at best,
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: just going to shrug it off and be like, yep.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: I watched that anyway. What else is streaming right now?
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: Like they don't invest enough in any of it to care.
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: So they're not going to care. You know, if people
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: are getting fired to do it, you know, it's just like,
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: they don't, they don't care enough about it as an
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: art form period. So they don't really care. It is
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: a viewer either. Right.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: If the point is, is content creation for consumption and,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: and forgetting it, you know, junk food, you know? And
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I'm just saying there's a lot of
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: good movies out there. I haven't watched because I'm going like,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not in the mood for something good right now.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: I'm in the mood for something terrible that I'm not
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: going to have to invest much into. Yeah. So, so if,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: if that's what, AI is, it's just noise, you know,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: to distract you, you know, nonsense to distract you. If
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: the point of all this is just nonsense to distract you,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: then who cares, you know, if it's generated by an
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: AI or a person. And in fact, good for them
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: that they didn't have to like, you know, go through
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: the hell of, you know, endangering their health and life
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: for Die Hard 3, you know, I mean, it's just like, Hey,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: I like that movie. It's a good movie. It's a
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: fine movie, but you're just going like, maybe we shouldn't
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: be sacrificing our happiness to make pointless content for immediate.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: That was sort of the other end of what I
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: was thinking in the middle of that too, is like,
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: we also, I, I was looking back at everything nostalgically, like, Oh, this,
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: they physically built these sets in the eighties and they
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: almost killed themselves doing stunts. And I'm like, okay, those
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: are all cool to some extent, but at the same time, again,
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: with our, not getting nostalgic about the way life used
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: to be that we've been speaking of. We're also hearing
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: stories now of how emotionally abused, if not physically abused
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: people were on some of those sets of these awesome movies.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: And I'm just like, yeah, it didn't make it okay.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Like sometimes the, the movie that came out of this
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: is great, but was it worth it for what people
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: went through?
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: Like personally, mentally, emotionally, like what the directors sometimes did
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: to them to get these performances out of the light.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: Some people say that's part of the art, but I'm like, yeah,
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: it crosses the line sometimes too. It's like, yes, there's
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: a method to the way they might create these emotions
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: and get these scenes. But, there's a line that you've crossed.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: Sometimes it is too far. And like, so we certainly
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: had that in abundance back in the day that hopefully now,
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, granted, sometimes they go a little too far
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: in the post me too world, but at the same time,
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: it's for a reason. Like, because that, right. kind of
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: bullshit needed to stop right right so there's you know
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: there's that aspect that i'm like well i hope in
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: the post me too world that those type of things
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: aren't happening anymore i don't think that's true i think
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: that's a very optimistic.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Way now it's no longer.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Now everyone's happy and no women are ever treated horribly
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: and no actors are ever treated like shit like well
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: that's probably not true at all but i hope the
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: atrocities that used to go on Maybe you're lessened.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: As we move forward.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Or they know people can be held accountable.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: Because time after time, we're seeing so many people get
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: kind of outed for being horrible, even just to their coworkers.
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: You know, sometimes it's just other actors that are just like, yeah,
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: this guy was an asshole on set.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: Nobody wants to work with him now. And it's like,
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: so back in the old days, you just, that was
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: hush hush. And you didn't talk about that stuff. Where
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: now it's, maybe people are being held accountable for the
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: way they treat other people so i was like there's
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: there's an upside to some of the things that happen
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: i hope i hope.
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: But yeah yeah but yeah it's good i'm sorry i'm
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: sorry i'm just rambling at this yeah yeah but it's
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: like uh like any is like what's becomes weaponized and
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: then everything gets weird. It's kind of like the movie
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: industry as we're going to make like film dramas for
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: it to entertain people, you know, that's great. That sounds
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: like a good thing.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: And that sounds like a good way to spend, you know, maybe, uh,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: get into the industry and everything like that. But once
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: it becomes, once things get so big, you know, and weaponized,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: then it's like this, this grinding machine, grinding out product,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: grinding people apart to, to feed the machine, you know?
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: And I, you know, I mean, I had a friend
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: who worked, works in the industry down here that he
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: just said like, you know, it was just affecting my
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: health so much, you know, the stress, then the, And
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: the fact that you have no job stability at all,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, nobody has job stability, you know, but just
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, that's true. That's true. But
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: even like working class cubicle people, you know, I mean,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: they're worried about AI at.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: This point, everybody's getting cut.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, I mean, so, you know,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like, I guess I'm just wondering,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: you know, if it's worth the human cost. I mean,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: because you probably get into it thinking you're going to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: create something. you know, you know, that's going to say, and,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: but you know, every year, you know, the movies that
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: actually people, you know, feel like they're like actually meant
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: something to them, you know, there's maybe like five a
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: year if that, and then there's like out of the
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: five and then the amount of content being created. So
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: people are just like, you know, getting blown up for,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: you know, content that nobody's really watching about, you know,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: and so it's, So maybe it should all just be AI-created.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: If we're killing people along the way.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: If we're ruining people's lives and everything to feed this
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: unending machine. It's almost like we're still making movies by hand.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: And when the demand for content is almost more than
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: what human beings can safely create. Yeah.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: But isn't that always the way art has been like
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: going back to the old painters, you know, it's like
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: they were always tortured artists.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: And they were usually being abused by the people who
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: had money and they were never really appreciated until they
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: were dead. Right. Right. It's always kind of been this
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: train wreck going on. It's just much bigger stakes and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: bigger projects and bigger paychecks now. But, I don't know.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: It's always been just like, well, sucks to be you, artist.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: Now make my shit.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Continue making stuff that I want, and I'll pay you
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: a little bit of money.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: Which is exactly why everyone's on strike right now.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Keep making my stuff.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: I'm going to pay you a fraction of what I'm making,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: and that's all you get. So shut up and keep
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: making my stuff. It's the way it was back in
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: the old days, and it hasn't really changed that much.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Because it's like, oh, you don't want to make my stuff.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: We'll get this guy.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's always been like that, but now it's
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: gotten to the point of, yeah, we don't need any
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: of those guys.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: I've got this computer and I'm not going to. Yeah.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to employ any of you. Right. I'll
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: get my one IT guy and he's going to run
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: all this shit. So that's going to be the one
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: person that's indispensable is who can keep the computers running.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: So go to your tech schools, kids. Get in right
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: now so you can be running the computer that puts
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: everyone else out of work.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Don't you?
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Don't you? I mean, but, you know, I mean, it's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: really the tech industry that is getting so nervous because,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean, they're saying like, you know,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: computers now can write code better than people are, you know?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: And so it's like, God, even the people that know
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: how this stuff all works are becoming like obsolete. And so,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's real weird. So anyway, the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: point is, yeah, I think probably I was thinking about
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: that movie AI that Spielberg did, you know, it's just
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: like this anti-robot movement, you know, like pro-human movement, you know,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds the fact that we're even talking
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: about this and it sounds like a cyberpunk plot, you know,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: is so bizarre.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: But, you know, you know, certified kind of where we've
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: gone now.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: People are going to just be in the movies are
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: going to get so good. And so like, you know,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: generically amazing every time, you know, people are just going
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: to go out and be making the punk movement is
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: just going to be going out and making like, you know,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: shooting the first draft of the movie of the screenplay
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: that they kind of wrote. And just the derpier and
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: more terrible it is, as long as it's made by people.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: We want to see something bad made by people, not
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: something perfect made by robots.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: I think you've just coined the phrase for their entire movement.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: Generically amazing. Completely generic and phenomenal, all in the same stroke.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I think that's where we're headed.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I laughed, I cried, I learned something
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: about myself again.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: And then I forgot it five minutes later.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Five minutes later.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: When I scrolled to the new video on my phone
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: and I went, oh, kitties, yay.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: There's just going to be a cat video is a
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: cat video as valuable if you know it's just a
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: generated AI algorithm of a cat.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, as long as it's well, I mean, if
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: they're saving cats, cause this was the one, this was
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: on my weird algorithm that kept coming up with animal
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: videos like everyone's, I suppose does, but there were ones
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: that were shot and it was like, I think that
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: cat's about to die. They were showing some of them
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: are cute kitties wrestling around. And then it would cut
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: to another one. Then I'm like, that cat just jumped
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: off a building. I don't think that cat's okay. So
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: I'm like, stop shooting those videos.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Go save that cat.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: Or there's one that like, there's a cat going up
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: to an alligator and smacking it.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, okay, you're a bad cat owner right now.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: Put the camera down and go grab your cat and
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: fight off an alligator if that's what you need to do.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: I was like, there's times when it's like crossing the line.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: There was one yesterday of a cat fighting a snake.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, put the camera down, you asshole.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: And go get your cat. I don't care if it's
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: your cat. Go get that cat. Because it doesn't need
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: to be fighting a snake. You guys suck. So if
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: they need to do that in CG... To save, you know,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: random cats and dogs that are going to get invented.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: We don't need more Milo and Otis's.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: Go CGI all those movies. Okay.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: That's what we need is saving people's lives with it. Sure.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: Go ahead. Yeah. again it's gonna be forgettable content that
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: as soon as you scroll to the next video you're
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: like oh a new thing.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah right shiny shiny shiny shiny you know.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: New things new things new things new things right.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: That scroll up that scroll up everything's like 13 seconds
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: i mean they were talking about you know oh music
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: videos ruining your attention span but i mean nothing to
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: the level nothing compared to this nothing that's.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: Why i can't understand when we get we keep getting
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: these movies that are over three hours long i'm like
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: who right who is going to see this because little
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: young peoples are used to 13 seconds old people can't
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: sit in the theater that long because they gotta go
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: pee right like who are you making this.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: For exactly so that latest little mermaid movie was almost
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: three hours long and they they pulled it off but
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: i mean i'm not going to get into it but Uh, but, but, uh,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: but they pull, but it was, but I was going like,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: there's no way every kid is going to be able
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: to sit here and see three hours of, of this,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: you know? I mean, but, uh, weird.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah. We're, we're. going against the way that the public's
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: brain works at this.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Point yeah it is weird it is very you know
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: oppenheimer it's it's uh 48 seconds.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: It just starts off look i fixed it.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Just a mushroom cloud for the next.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: 14 seconds and then a credit real quick and we're
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: done there you go all right scroll to the next
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: thing i've seen it right Right.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: It would have gotten a lot more viewers if it
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: was 45 seconds. And instead of Celia Murphy, they had
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: like some YouTube influencer playing their part, you know?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, to some people, that's all they want.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm always like going like, who are these? You know,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: I used to like make fun of my parents, like
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: going like, who are these actors? Blah, blah, blah. And
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: so I go like, who are these people in this movie?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: You are that person now.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: I am now that person. But now I'm going, now
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: my kids tell me, oh, they're like, Instagram people or
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: YouTube people or something. And I'm going like, Oh, okay.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: So that's really, they have millions of dollars that you
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: don't have for doing something you.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: Don't know how to do. Right.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: Like, Oh, I hate these kids.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Or even conceive that that's something you do, you know,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: that would somebody, it's not a thing.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: That was me on the last horror episode. It was
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: like about stupid influencers. And I'm like, they're not, it's again,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: old man rant. I was just like, they're not even
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: doing anything. They're not even providing a service. They're just
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: talking about what they're doing right now.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: This is bullshit.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: I know. Yeah.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: I know. I think it's like people, just older people
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: just were raised with an idea that you're shit. and
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: you've got to accomplish something for people to pay attention
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: to you. You've got to do something. You're not just
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: born special and perfect and everything you say is amazing.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: Your worth is something you create by your actions and
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: what you yourself create or go out and do and
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: right yeah i don't think that has to be a
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: thing on the internet world.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: I'm just because the people who were just like um.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: They're like if i got a pulse all right i've
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: got followers cool right.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Right right so i think yeah i think the whole
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: people making things i mean that's just like Eh, the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: computer could do it. I mean, I'm just going to
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: not make anything and I'm just going to present myself
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: on unadorned. I'm not going to make a thing. I
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: am the product. I don't know. This all sounds like
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: nightmare territory.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I do wonder, because being a dorky kid
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: who wanted to be creative and didn't think they were
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: good at any of it, and it's arguable that I
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: ever was, but I remember wanting to make things. Do
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: kids want that anymore? They're still... I guess taking them
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: to school and giving them some construction paper and be like, here,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: make some crap. But like, I don't know. The kids
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: have that need. They must be. They're still like firing
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: up a tick tock and dancing around like idiots. And
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: that's what they want to create. Like, so I guess
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: that's something, but I don't know. Like, it feels like
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: that need to create is changed.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: Over the years.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: I think I hope not, but I don't know. I think,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: I think it's a easier is easier for them to do. So,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I think that urge to create
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: is still there. I think, but it's amazing. The, my,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: one of my kids, I mean, again, I don't know
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: how this kid is my kid because this is high
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: school kid. And so she joined like a little band
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: and everything that was nearby. And, and so she's been
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: going into band practice, you know? And I go like, well,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: how's my kid cool enough to be in a rock band?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. But so she's doing this thing.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: It's just some fun she's doing with friends, you know.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: But she said like, oh, we did our first demo.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: And I go, OK, well, y'all played like five times together.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: And it was like, yeah, we put this together. And
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: she played it. And I was like, it was like
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: so I'm used to when I hear demo, I think
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: something somebody play it. record with their cassette record and
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: play on their right in the garage in the garage
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: and so the acoustics are weird and it's not exactly
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: this this thing she played had the slickest production values
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: and it was like perfectly mixed i mean you know
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: i mean you know perfectly mixed for all of i'll
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: i'll sake them argument you know and like so well
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: produced i was going like this is your demo i
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: mean i mean you guys played five times together and
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: this is i'm i'm this is not what i was
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: expecting when you said it let me play this demo
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: for you and uh i was going like so yeah
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: that they still there's a need to be in a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: band to create something to make something uh but it's
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: uh But the level of production you can do now,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: it is almost like, why would I give up control
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: to get this level of production by settling all of
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: my rights away to a company?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: You know, I mean, again, maybe a weird new offshoot
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: that like maybe, cause I mean, music has been that
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: way for, you know, since Napster for God's sake, like
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: it shifted and never recovered in, in the old way.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: Like nobody's cashing paychecks like they used to, even the
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: big acts don't cash paychecks. Like the only thing they
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: do is tour. And that's where the real money is
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: now because it's a real physical thing. But, you know,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: streaming doesn't make you money anymore. And like creating albums
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: doesn't make you money. It's like, the only way is
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: when you become huge and then you go fill a
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: stadium somewhere and you sell a hundred dollar t-shirts to
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: people in the parking lot. And like, that's the only
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: way you make money at that anymore.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: But there is a very like listening to like what
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: we were describing before. It is a very punk rock attitude.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: You want to because that's that's what I kind of
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: fear with, you know, moving into the future. The thing
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: that was going on and, you know, punk rock kids
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: was like this stuff that's popular right now. Is it me?
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: I don't like it. I'm going to go do something.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: And like, even if it's not what normal people think
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: is good, I'm going to do it. And it's mine.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: And that makes it. worthwhile. It's my thing. I'm creating
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: something that's different than what's already out there.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: And we got, you know, good and bad that came
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: along with it, but it was kids wanting to do that.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: Whereas now I worry that things are so easy that
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: you can just, you know, type it in and be like, uh,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: I just want to see this number one, everything already
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: exists to some extent. And if not, you can type
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: it in the computer and it will create it for you.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: And you don't really have to put in hardly any effort.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: So, right.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: That's dangerous for those kids that, you know, you're not
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: going to get that punk rock movement anymore because they're like, eh,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: why Bob?
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Right. So it's, it made it more accessible. Then it
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: made it easier. And so then are you going to,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: so what I'm saying is like, are you going to,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: you're not having to put in the financial, emotional investment
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: to really want to do something to really, you know,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: to really, I don't know the pain in the ass
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: of doing it, you know, would weed people out. So
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: the people who really, really wanted it, you know, would
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: get through those hurdles and through luck would get through
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: those hurdles also tenacity and luck, and then be able to,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: you know, finally work their way up to produce a,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: to make a, you know, a terrible sequel to Smokey
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: and the Bandit or something.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the thing. As you were describing, I
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: was like, that's what happened in the film industry for
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: years there. It's like, as we said, it was hard
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: to make a movie and cost a lot of money
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: that normal people don't have. So the handful of people
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: that made it through either were big budget stuff that
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: studio backed that made it quote unquote good for one
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: reason or another or or the handful of independents that
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: did it like good or bad. Like it was an
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: accomplishment when they were done. And then once we got
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: to the nineties and like every indie person came along,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: it's like, well, I can write whatever I can shoot
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: it pretty simple now. And then you jumped to like
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: the next wave of like, no, now digital, you know,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: digital media. So I can shoot it for next to nothing.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: Now the effects suddenly are next to nothing. Now, like
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: with each step moving forward, it's like, it became easier
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: and easier to do. And I've definitely talked to people
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: in the industry that have said, yeah, I mean, it's
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: great that everybody has the freedom to go out and
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: create their own movie. That's awesome. But when there were gatekeepers,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: it also weeded out the people that sucked from the
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: get go. They like, look, you just don't have talent.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: Get out of here, kid. Go flip a burger. Like
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: we need somebody to do that job. This isn't for you.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: We didn't have that anymore. So you also got a
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: ton of people in the industry in their own minds
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: that that we're making movies and like, uh, you, you
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: didn't weed out anybody anymore. Everybody got a chance to
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: put their stuff out there, which is on one hand.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's like, you got a
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: lot of lesser stuff along the way because you didn't
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: have anybody weeding up the bad stuff anymore. So, I
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: don't know. Like I've definitely heard people in the industry
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: complain about that. It's like, yeah, it's great that everybody
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: gets to do it, but maybe not everybody needs to
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: do it, you know?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: So we're kind of at that point now, like across
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: the board, like you can, you have the freedom to
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: create anything now, be it music, movies, animation, like anything
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: you can create using a computer with little effort on
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: your part, you can create anything.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, I mean, it, it, it's dangerous because you
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: don't have people in charge saying what needs to be
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: out there, but the people that are in charge kind
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: of suck. They're taking all the money, which is why
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: they're getting cut out of the deal too. So it's like,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know. There's no good answer. No, no.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, if, if people, people have a need to create,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: so doing this, you know, doing these algorithms, you know,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: fulfill that basic need to, to make something to, interpret
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: your world and make a tangible thing out of it
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: i mean it's it's not bad but i mean it
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: it it goes like what you know i don't want
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: to spend ten dollars to watch everybody look at everybody's
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: kids you know thumb painting you know uh so it's
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: everybody's thumb paintings everybody's you know finger uh refrigerator art
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: you know up on the uh internet which does feel
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: that this is uh a you know, it's just a
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: message in the bottle out.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, that is what TikTok feels like to me.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: Like when I see the, and I'm like, I will
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: so like, that's, you will, when, once I was forced
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: to get that thing, they would hear me complain about
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: it because I was just like, but nobody's even doing anything.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: Like I'm watching this and like, You would set up
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: even a 20 second video. It would have before, if
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: anyone put any effort in, it would have some sort
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: of momentum or it was leading to something or we
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: would get somewhere even in random footage you shot of something.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: But there's so many that I watch now and I'm like,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: that didn't even need to happen. Like nothing happened.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: At the end.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: Like I didn't get anywhere. I didn't see anything worth seeing.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: It's just out there. It's just on there. And like,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: that's some terrible kid. finger pain. Like they went, look,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: I posted this and like, yeah, but is it worth
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: you posting? Nobody asked that question. You know, it's just like,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: but I posted it.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Like, so, so, so the fact that, you know, they
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: felt like, Hey, I need to be Oh, oh my gosh.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: It sounds so hippie. It's like, they're going, or like,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: so whatever. I'm like, there we go. Somebody is going like, Hey,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: I'm here. I want to be seen. Do you see me?
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: You know, that's a, that is a basic human need.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: That is just, you know, we're really seeing it on
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: social media, how amplified it is, or just like how
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: it's always been there. But now people just have access
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: to go like, I need to be seen, you know,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: I deserve to be seen.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. Not even, it's just like, I feel this need.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I feel as need to know that I exist through
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: the comments of, or through like, you know, through a
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: reflection or something.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: So it was real weird, Brian is real weird. And
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: so I think the point is there's, I can't remember
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: if we're trying to make a point or, but it
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: was just, it's just like, if this stuff is fulfilling
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: the people's need to create, you know, and to be
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: seen and be feel like they're part of like some
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: kind of community or some kind of, you know, Oh,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: I thought this was cute here. Look at this. I
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: feel good that I shared that, you know, cause I'm
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: here and you saw it. And, but, you know, and
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: so this is, I mean, it's interesting. It feels a neat,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: you know, and so to make it easier to get
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: to that point to maybe, but I guess it's how
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: there's going to be people out there who want to
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: do it the old way, because the more removed you
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: are from the process of doing it, the less connected
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: you feel to it, you know? Uh, so, so if I,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: if I, I took a picture of this sandwich, all right,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: I feel the same, but I'm not, how sad is that?
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: Did you make the sandwich? No, but I ate it.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: I bought it and I.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: Took a picture of it and I posted it and said,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: isn't this awesome? And they're like, cool. How'd you make it?
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: I don't even know what's on it.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. it's kind of like these animation movies where,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: you know, you don't really like it, but you do
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: know that it took them 20 years and whatever that
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: field tip thing was.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah. Yeah.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched it yet. And I hear people respect
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: it more than they enjoy it, you know? And, but
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't enjoy that, but I respect the fact that
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: it was a person who, busted their ass for 20
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: years yeah you.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: Know up with this crazy idea right and a normal
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: person would have been like nope this is way too
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: much to do right and he was like screw it
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: i'm gonna keep at it and kept at it for
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: years right right right you have to appreciate.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: You have to appreciate you go like okay i that
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: inspires me because sometimes you know i can't i can't
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: fit it I'm so lazy. I can't finish the nap.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I get that mode.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: I definitely get that mode.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So, so I'm going like, okay, I, I,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: you kind of inspired me that, you know, you spent
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: 20 years to make it, even though it's not really
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: my thing, you know, I respect that you did it,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: you know? Um, But the AI could probably make that
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: same movie in 45 seconds and then.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and cost next to nothing to do it.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: Next to nothing.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: Versus the physical amount of time and props and work
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: and film. Yeah.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: I think people are just going to buy tickets just
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: to go watch people make clay pots. I mean, I
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: think there's going to be like, I just want to
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: see somebody make something.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: At least that's creation. I mean, I can get on
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: board with, you know, there's an artist there making a thing.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Like that's more than.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: Will we get to the computer itself will design the
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: pot and then the robot will make the pot for
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: you and fire it for you? At some point, I
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: don't know. When do we work ourselves out of every scenario?
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: Computers make everything and robots build everything. And either we're
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: dead by then or we just don't have to move.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: We just float in our chairs and we're living in our...
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: future pixar world yeah.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe uh yeah maybe ai generated pixar movies won't
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: be so condescending.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: See i don't know that we're going to come up
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: with an answer to all our questions so we've thrown
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: out many a thought i don't know that any of
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: them led to anything useful for you but i i
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: do always like when we get to our uh or
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: whatever you've been watching so i thought if nothing else
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: okay yeah i can round it out with one that
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: i just saw mostly because i want to hear your
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: thoughts on it but also because.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: It's very real world it's very.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: It's pointing out very specific things that happen to make
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: this thing that i think will sort of kind of
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: bound or at least go along with some of our
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: ramblings along the way okay and if you have anything
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: you've seen throw it in there too but i did
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: specifically see this lately and i was like oh i
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: i want to hear what what you got to say
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: on this one all right so i have recently watched
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: street trash.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah okay awesome all right all right very.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: Visceral very real world visceral movie thrown knee deep in
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: the grossness and guts of filmmaking. Yes. And I knew
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: of it for, it was one of those. I was like,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: have I seen it? Like, I couldn't even remember if
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: I'd seen bits and pieces. Cause I think I was
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: mixing it in with a bunch of other weird, super
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: low budget independent cult kind of movies that like, once
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: I started watching, I was like, I don't think I have,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: I just knew, I knew of the, the selling point,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: which is the creation destruction of the people.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: Like, right.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: Thing that they did when they did the, uh, destroying
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: of humans. So I guess spoilers for street trash. Yeah.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: Everyone melts in rainbow colored goo.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: There you go. I've ruined it for you. Cause that's
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: really the only thing you can ruin.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: There's pretty much.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: Minimal plot in this thing like it is yeah almost
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: nothing really as a story going on right right if
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: it weren't for the effects of it i don't know
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: why you would show up really.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: That's really the problem with it it's it's not a
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: it's not a my take on it is pretty much
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: yours there and that it's not really a real strong
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: story that pulls you through it you're kind of biding
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: time in between till the next person melts right right
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: right and i don't remember if there's like a main
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: character that there's like a protagonist that kind of.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: Like we spend the most time with one homeless hobo
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: that drinks a lot versus the other homeless hobos that
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: drink a lot right right so occasionally we work in
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: some uh a cop along the way the guy that
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: owns the car lot the girl that works out front
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: that's getting sexually harassed every moment of her life and
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: it's his younger brother that's also homeless so there's so
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: many people so many people there's other people but like
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: none of them do we invest any time with nor
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: do we really care about like even as we destroy
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: them we're like good.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: Hurry up and destroy that other guy. Cause I don't
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: like him.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: Like, that's the problem. I seem to remember not many
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: likable people in the movie. Nobody really rooting for, I mean,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: not that I remember. I mean, so, you know, it
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: was always one that was kind of a chore for
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: me to get through, uh, despite the cool effects, but
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, the, the VHS box was spectacular.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: It had great artwork. And again, once you get to
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: those moments of like, yeah, it is not like it's realistic,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: but what you're doing is amazing to look at. So
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: it's like, that's awesome. Like, yeah. And it is, you
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: can tell like, that's what sold them. They just loved.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: Cause then I watched the original short film that they
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: put together the first part, which is kind of maybe
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: better because it's over in like 16 minutes or something. Right.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: It's relatively short. They hit kind of a couple of
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: the same scenes along the way. And then we still
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: get effects. They aren't quite as fancy because they were super,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: you know, no budget on that one.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: But, Like you can see, like, this is what was
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: fueling them. They just love the idea of this super violent,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: completely destroying a human body and making it look cool
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: along the way. And like, you can see how much
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: they love that. And then so much though, that they're like,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: let's make a movie about it. And they're like, well,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: do you guys have anything else to build this movie around?
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: And they're like, nah, let's just do more of them.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: Like more things blowing up. Yay. Like, yeah.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 6: It's almost like, yeah.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: Effects guys, you know, made that movie. It seems like,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: you know, it just seems like, and so it's, it's
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: like a show reel for these guys effects, which is,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: which is, and they're pretty cool. They're low budget. But,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you guys got to remember Fangoria
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: heyday years, you know, where effects guys were were rock stars.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: And, you know, you.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: Followed movies based on the effects guys. And and so
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: everybody's kind of like trying to be the next, you know,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Led Zeppelin of effects. And so, you know, there's a
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: lot of these, you know, scrappy movies where they're trying
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: to achieve that because it was so popular. you know,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: rubber reality and just the, uh, all that stuff from
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: the Howling all through the eighties, you know, uh, I
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: guess probably the exorcist, uh, starting with Dick Smith stuff,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: you know, just really taking it to the next level. And,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: and so people would go and see these horror movies
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: where the effects were like, uh, the huge draw. And
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: now you see it and you go like, Oh, it's
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: like rubber puppets, you know? It's like rubber... It's like
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: we were so blown away by rubber puppets that... And I.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: Still am, right?
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: Again, almost going back to that thing is like those
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: are real and somebody made it and they destroyed it
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: just to film it so that you could watch it versus,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: you know, now you just CG it. Nobody cares. Like,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I still appreciate it.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: It hurts me. It hurts me.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: It hurts me.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: Cause I hear like the, the thing prequel is a
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: good movie, but it just hurts me that they've got
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: rid of all that practical effects for, and they reached
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: shot all the scenes with, they replaced the practical effects
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: they did for the CG.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: It was all financial because yeah, I remember talking to
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: them about it. It was like, they shot practical stuff
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: for it. And then they went, nah, this just didn't work.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: And it's not cost effective. And they went back and
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: put crappy CG over top of it.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: So I'm just like, it just hurts me. And so I,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: and I go like, what is it about though? Was it, what,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: what was going on in the eighties that we were
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: so mind blown by rubber puppets that, uh, I mean,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like. jim henson with the muppets and
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: then we get into et where you get to see
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: a muppet die of cancer and then you.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: Get it.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 7: Okay if he rises from the dead it makes it
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 7: all right okay and then like rubber puppets man it
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 7: was just like everywhere And just like, so you'd go
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 7: see movies just for the rubber puppet in it.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: And what kind of rubber puppet is in this? And so,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: you know, until CG came along, we were just obsessed
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: with like how realistic they could get that rubber puppet.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: Well, in this one, they weren't all that realistic. The
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: rainbow goo would flow out of their faces.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: But we were, we were love all manner of rubber puppet. And, and, and,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: controversial hot take well this.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: Was also because that's the thing by the end i
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: was like i enjoy the fact that i've seen it
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: and i enjoyed the effects more than anything but it's
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: also such a grimy movie that i'm like i don't
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: know that i feel the need to re-watch it certainly
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: not anytime soon if someone else hadn't seen it needed
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: to i would watch it again maybe but i didn't
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: really need to revisit it anytime soon. So I was like,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: I think that's part of it too. It's just like, it's,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: it's just filled with ugly. It's not just, not just visually,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: but also the way people treat each other is horrible
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: in every aspect of the movie. So there's that there's
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: also on the almost good side. Well, I don't know
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: that it's a good side on the capturing a moment side.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: It is also amazing just to have footage of, Of
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: that time period. Because this is low budget. So when
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: they're shooting on city streets. It is just a grimy
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: city street. You are just capturing this weird time and place.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: Of like. here's what was going on in the world
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: at this time. Right. And like the reason it's also
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: depressing is because this was really these people's lives. Like
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: we may have made up some fictional characters, but the
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: surroundings are all real. These are a bunch of weird
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: homeless people. And we made up a crazy fictional story
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: about them eating from the inside by booze. Yeah. Maybe
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: that's not so far fetched either.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: Actually, there was a slight metaphor.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: I don't even know if they were trying for that,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: but I feel like it's there if you want it
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: to be.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: I think that's probably why people don't, you know, as
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: street trash is kind of like C tier, you know,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: 80s heart is just, just because of that vibe of,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: you know, like basket case for me has that vibe.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: but it's kind of like so cartoony and not that
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: there's something cynical about street trash that doesn't, you know
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: doesn't bear for repeat viewings you know because it's just
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: grim like there's nothing good about it yeah requiem of
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: the dream kind of thing you know just like you
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: don't really want to go there you know i mean
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: it's it's just not a it's not an evil dead
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: to i mean you know the the the vibe you
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: know some some horror movies are just mean-spirited you know
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: which i yeah those are the ones i just don't
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: get and like those terrifier movies are are for me
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: mean-spirited you.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: Know Street trash is definitely mean spirited. Yeah.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: The only time you feel joy in the movie is
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: watching the effects. Like that's when they were excited and
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: they wanted to create this really cool effect and that
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: comes through. But when you get back to the human characters,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: you're just like, oh, I just want to go hose off.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: These people are all disgusting and like just physically, but emotionally, mentally,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: like they're all just horrible. Like, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: It's like I'm in a sanitarium or something and I'm having,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: you know, just like, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: it's one to watch. I can see why it's got
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: a cult following, but, you know, it's just never for
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: all those reasons we said, you know, it's never quite clicked.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: There's one kind of like it that I want to
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: track down called Slime City, which I saw a clip from.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: and uh i go like oh that actually looks good
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: you know it's kind of you know beta around the
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: same era in the same same neighborhood they were probably
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: like trading effects artists you know but you can see
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: the other one's camera in the background right right right
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: right slime city yeah yeah so yeah i don't know
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: man yeah that's cool that's cool that you check that
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: out um.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah it's one of those like kind of had on
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: the list and then it got lumped into the rest.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: I was like, did I watch it ever? Did I
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: mix it up with the other six movies that were
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: trying to do that same thing at the same time?
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I just finally got around to it and yeah,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: it's something. All right.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: It sure is. It sure is.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: You go like, oh yeah, I see. You know why
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: this maybe didn't come up sooner, you know, but, but,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I rewatched another movie. I rewatched, I rewatched
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: night of the creeps, which, you know, has always been,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a B-list 80s. It's not top tier.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: Definitely not top tier, but it certainly had a fan
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: base that as time went on, got super into it too.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: I think it's just people like Fred Decker.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: He is the nicest guy in the world. It's ridiculous
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: what a cool dude he was.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: You did an interview with him, right?
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: He was really cool. Surprisingly... because I think he was
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: immediately knocked off his, you know, his stool. He climbed
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: up and he went, Oh, I got to make this
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: cool horror movie. Oh, I got this, make this other
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: cool movie. Right. Oh, the entire industry was taken away
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: from me after that.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: I made a super big budget movie for a studio
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: that everyone hated.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: And then I lost most of my career because of it.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: So, right, right.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: The fact that he was still as upbeat as he was,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: was crazy.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right. And so, you know, we don't, nobody
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: knows really what Fred Decker did in those intervening years,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: you know, to survive. And, you know, we just know,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: we just know, Hey Fred, we were rooting for you
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: and we were just glad you're still around.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: So, you know, still making quality predator movies.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: Quality predator movies. Yeah, that's right. Thank God. But, but so,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, really for me rewatching, uh, Night
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: of the Creeps it's for me it's like got pacing
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: issues but it's really just like you just really keep
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: wanting to fast forward to the Tom Atkins scenes you
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: know that's basically it you know so I think the
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: thrill me and Tom Atkins is that whole movie is
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: kind of like stands on the shoulders of that because
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: I think that kid from European Vacation is like the
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: most zero charisma you know there's a reason he's.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: In one your vacation movie Granted, they were all in one.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: You only got one round.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: The child of the griswold.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: You only got one shot.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: Pretty much.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: But he's also the one no one remembers. It's just
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: like everybody remembers the first win. The third win went
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: on to become way more successful than anyone will ever think. Imagine.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: And then even the fourth one, people are like, oh,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: I like that movie. But like, yeah, nobody really remembers
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: the second movie. No, no, no. Neither of the kids
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: were well beloved. No offense to them.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no offense. No offense. So you're just going like,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: you know, I was going and I think that's probably
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: the magic of or the people generate or certain actors,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: you know, had this been recast with a more charismatic lead.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: actor you know it would have given you somebody that
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: you cared about to pull you through the movie in
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: between the awesome tom atkins scenes you know uh but
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: but it just doesn't that one doesn't hold up for
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: me very well you know i remember.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: Liking it more than i expected because it's another one
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: of those i knew of it but i watched it
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: i think before we started talking about it on the
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: show and like that's the first time i had seen
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: it really in its entirety and i think the other
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: stuff about it is so cool like because it's such
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: a mixture of things again it's fred decker playing in
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: his toy box he's like what if there was aliens
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: and zombies and there's like a cup and he's like
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: it's just mixing all this stuff together that i'm like
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: that aspect of it is still light enough that it's
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: fun and like i would want to revisit that where
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: it doesn't get bogged down in the other stuff yes
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: it's got its issues but but i still feel like
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: it's so goofy and fun right that it does make
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: you want to come back and revisit it and you
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: know see zombies come pick up their dates yeah yeah
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: yeah it's got that part's always entertaining what's.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: So funny i watched the uh the special features on
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: the dvd and i've realized uh i was watching the
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: movie i was going like man these frat boys are
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: really miscast i mean they all look like they're in
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: their 40s i mean like that's 80 that's.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: Every yeah everything high school kids they're all in their
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: mid-30s at best.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah and so i'm going like man this is
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: terrible this guy's got like you know, Tom Selleck mustache.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: And this guy's got like the mullet of all mullets,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, parking lot, heavy metal parking lot
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: mullet going on. And, and, you know, I'm just watching it.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: I'm going like, why are they, why did they choose
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: these guys? You know, but anyway, that watch the special
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: features and all those guys were the special effects crew and,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: and they, they cast them so they could make the
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: molds of their heads.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You guys are just hanging around all day anyway.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: Get over here.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: The budget was so tight that they had to get
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: those molds made to have all these effects ready for
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: the show. I was going like, that is so funny.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: You got Howard Berger of K & B in the background.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: I think he was the one I was going like,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: why is this guy in this movie?
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: Why is this guy still in school?
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: What is going on?
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: How many times were you held back, buddy?
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: Seriously.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: It was pretty, pretty interesting. It's interesting rewatching these movies
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: and going like.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: You definitely, I mean, with all movies, I like that
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: because you, especially if it's been years and there's a
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: lot of them lately, I've been watching that. I'm like,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen this since initially when I rented it
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: on VHS, you know? And it's like, I'm coming back
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: to it now. And I'm like, Oh, I've forgotten 90%
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: of this. Like I remember the basic details and everything
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: else in the middle has just been a blur. And,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: it is you, you, you are a different person when
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: you revisit stuff that far along, you know, it's like
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: six months later, you know, not that big a deal.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: But when you come back to it decades later, it's
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: just like, this is a whole new movie and I'm
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: a whole different person. So you have a whole different
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: experience rewatching stuff.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: It's, it's crazy.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: It is weird. Here's, here's a big one. Uh, we
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: rewatched Superman two, I guess the Richard Lester, not the
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: Richard Donner version of the.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: Wait, the original like theater?
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: Theatrical.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: See, I like that one better.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: Right? That's forever been my opinion as well, Brian, that
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: Superman 2, even the theatrical cut, is better than... Oh, okay,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: go ahead. Are you like it better than the Donner cut?
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I got the Donner cut and I finally was like, oh,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: I've heard so much about this over the years and
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: I like Richard Donner. I want to see this. And
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: I watched, I was like, wow, these scenes that are
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: in here that are very specifically in this Donner version
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: do not match. Right. Do not need to be here.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: Like it just feels uneven.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah. So I was like, I will much prefer
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: to rewatch the original theatrical version than the Donner cut. Yeah.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, right. So I rewatched the, I remember not
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: being too impressed with the Donner cut as well, but
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: I've always held. in my head that Superman two is
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: better than the original Superman for some reason.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Cause after rewatching them.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: I enjoyed it a lot as a child, but yeah,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: I'm sure it has its issues.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: Listen, the Donner movie part of Superman, Superman two, I
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: was shocked at how awful I thought it was, you know?
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, really, I kind of see like now the
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: jump from Superman two to Superman three was not the fall.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: That i originally yeah because nobody likes i just that's
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 4: one i haven't gotten yet it's sitting in my stack
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: there because i was like i haven't seen superman 3
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 4: right in so long again it was cable back in
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: the day and like sure do not think i've revisited
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: it since no no and i remember it being like
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: insane even at the time yeah yeah so it's like
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: like a ridiculous a ridiculous movie a bunch of nonsense.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: But, but not that much further under Superman two to
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: my shock.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: Right. I think I just liked the three characters they
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: brought in. And like, I like that most of the
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: movie is just a big fight scene, which I guess
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: now people complain about that, but again, it wasn't CG made.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: So them figuring out how to shoot these fight scenes
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: is still pretty interesting to me.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: So, right.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Well, I, Again, I remember enjoying that
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: one quite a bit because I like those three characters. Right.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: I know. Because you're going like, oh, the problem with
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: the first Superman movie is it's such a long, overblown
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: origin story that it takes forever to get to Superman. Right.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: But but so part two, you don't have that origin
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: baggage that, you know, all superhero movies suffer from. And
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: so you just get into the cool stuff. We got
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: these cool supervillains. you know, that are going to come
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: in and break out of their album cover and, you know, and,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: and come and take, but okay. So what I didn't
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: notice back watching it as a kid, you know, was
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: this is the most low budget takeover of earth that
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: So they land in a, like a national park. And
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: so there's nobody there. And I can't remember, maybe they,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: knock over a park ranger or something like that so
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: that's that's their big invasion they land like at like
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: a coita campground and uh they kill a snake and
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: they're going like oh our reign of evil has begun
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: and then they are walking down the middle of a
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: desert and they get pulled over by you know roscoe
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: pico train or whatever and i'm just going like okay
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: so they've come to take over earth and they're just
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: going to the most unpopulated places on the earth. They're
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: not making it.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: You don't have to pay extras.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, so I'm going like, and now we're like
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: in like some manufactured small town set up in the
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: middle of a desert. And, and then there's like the guy,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: he makes a farmer levitate and fall. And, and then like,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: and then like the, farmer's kid is for some reason,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: Oliver twist. I mean, have you, have you noticed that
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: this kid's British accent? He's like, sir, sir, please don't
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: put down my papa. You know, I'm like, who is
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: this kid?
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 4: What's going on? They shot it over in the, uh,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: the James Bond studios. I'm pretty sure they borrowed all
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: those people from the same little group there. So a
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: lot of them were just British actors. Okay.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: So you're like, what's going on? And like that, and
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: that kid is like dressed as like the most prototypical
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: does bowl kid on the planet. And you're just going like,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: everything is so like down the number. And then the
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: army shows up and I think they knock over like
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: one Jeep and that's like the army invasion.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: Dude.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: And so you're just kind of, I guess what we're
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: saying is we're spoiled for. Today's superhero movies were like
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: you actually see a thousand planes getting blown up by
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: a spaceship.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: Would you be happier if it was like a million
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: CG people in the background running around hiding from stuff?
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Like, again, I tire of that a
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: lot of times with these new ones. So I do wonder.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's part of why I responded to it, because
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: we were focused on the characters. Like, Terrence Stamp is
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: just a badass in that movie. He's so good.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: They're dressed so disco, man. They're just so disco. And
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: so you just got, I was watching it. Yeah, Terrence
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: Stamp pulls that. When people say good things about Superman 2,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: it's usually centered around those three.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: Bad guys you know because it's the whole thing with
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: lois's performance about figuring out kirk clark as a superman
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: it's like so campy man and it's like.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: Just makes her seem like a dick like she's supposed
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: to be a really smart reporter but this guy puts
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: glasses on and you can't figure this out.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so bizarre. And like, you know, Christopher Reeve
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: is charming and everything.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: I think that's what saves that whole series.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: So charismatic that I'm like, It's why those first two
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: movies always stood out to me. And it's like, cause
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: I have said a million times on the show, I
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: don't care about the character Superman. The person that made
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 4: me care about it was Christopher Reeve. And I was like, oh,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: this performance makes him, it gives him humanity. It makes
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 4: me want to care about him versus pretty much anybody
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: else I've seen play. And I'm just like, I don't
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: care about this guy. Like he's all powerful. Who cares?
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: Like he can do anything.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: Who cares? Like, it's just such a black character to
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: me versus what he kind of brought to it. That like,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: it's one of the few times I'm like, Oh, okay.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: Then now I get it. This guy's, you know, he
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: makes me want to root for him.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: Right. And I can't remember, but watching it now, it was,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: I was seeing it in another, I guess I heard
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: a review. Maybe Tarantino was talking about it on something,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: you know, but how, what Superman is interesting is, is, is, is,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: his normal him being Clark Kent is an aliens interpretation
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: of what humans are.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: That's the kill bill speech.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: That's the kill bill speech.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: Okay. Excellent.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: That's where it's from. All right. So then watching it,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: watching Superman tooth or those eyes is that, you know,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: Superman is trying to blend in. So he's basically doing
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: his interpretation of a person and the interpretation is not flattering.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 4: It's you're a bumbling idiot all day long like oh
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 4: that's humans yep it's kind.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: Of like his passive aggressive dick uh commentary on humanity
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: you know that he's gotta be here's what i think
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: of you people oh i'm so sorry you know It's
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: kind of like being a nice hole, you know?
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, if Superman is the ultimate guy and he's
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: super tough and he can do anything, you gotta play
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: 100% opposite to throw him off your scent. Be like, oh,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: I'm a bumbling idiot and I can't see. I got
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: these super crazy glasses and I gotta wear, you know,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: like suits and stuff because I'm a businessman slash reporter.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: mostly a reporter but i dress in really nice suits
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: for a dumb reporter.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah that's what i'm saying so you know seeing
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: superman 2 through the kill bill bill vision it's like
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: man superman's kind of being a dick.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: Right now i do remember hearing i really like that
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: again like when you give tarantino the right thing to
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: play with it's like he he knows how to push
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: it and i was just like i remember hearing that
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: that first time going huh I'd never really, again, I
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 4: didn't care much about Superman as a character either way,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 4: but like, I'd also never put that much thought into
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 4: that end of it. So hearing that, I was like,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: that's really kind of a clever take there.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, man.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it is true. He is like putting on
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: an act. where everyone else has to put on their
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: costume to pretend to be their alter ego. Like he
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: already is Superman all day long.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 4: It's pretty cool. Yeah.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: It was pretty cool.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: Tarantino's new movies play. He's writing about a film critic.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: So I think in a prison, it's, It's a film
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: critic in a prison. I don't know.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: I keep hearing all these different things. It was based
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: on that one person and now it's not based on her,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: but it's very similar to her.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: I was just like, I don't know.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: I give up.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: I think that's a good movie for him. If he
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: actually ends on that. I mean, his, I don't like this.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm going to one more and I'm capping it off.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: I'm like, just come on.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: Be an old man making movies like all the rest
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: of the old guys.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Quit being cool.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah you don't have to they don't all have
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: to be great you know i mean i heard carpenter
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: directed his last project from his couch i mean.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: Clint eastwood can barely move and he still cranks out
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: a couple of movies a year yeah that dude can
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: barely get around anymore but yet he's still working like
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: what are you doing man don't retire.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: Dude don't retire okay so we've got to we've got
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: to at least mention uh the fact that Indiana Jones
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: came back to the theater about, we're talking about retiring
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: and what if India, what if they make an Indiana
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: Jones movie and nobody cares, you know?
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, that's the thing when you were
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: naming off all the movies that had come out recently.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: And I said to you, most of those I haven't seen.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: The only one I bothered, I'd go to the theater
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 4: to see the new Indiana Jones. So I wasn't the
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: problem there. A lot of other people were.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: Excellent. I was part of the problem. It just never
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: came up. I did go and see it. Excellent. Excellent. Excellent.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: But just spoiler free, did you enjoy the experience?
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: I liked it. I think this is what I've said
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: about Indy for years now. It's like, don't make them
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: so damn precious. Like... keep cranking stuff out. Like when
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: we get some bad ones, we'll get over it because
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 4: there'll be another one two years later. Like maybe, maybe
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: Disney has found out with star Wars. That's not the
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 4: way to do it.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: Like maybe we.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: Cranked out too much, but when it was just like, Oh,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: it's the Holy trilogy. Don't put anything else out. And
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, Oh, but then all we get is,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: you know, a bunch of knockoff movies that want to
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: be Indiana Jones. I'm like, why not make good stuff
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: with that character and, you need to recast it. Fine.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: Recast it. I'm fine with it. Like we've seen other
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: people play Harrison Ford now. Like it's fine. Like you
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 4: can do that. Or in the fucking future CG world,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: you can just slap his face.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: On a, um, right. Whatever.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: Blue screen version of a person and they can go
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: through the motions and you can have regular old Harrison
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: Ford doing these movies for all eternity written by a
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: robot somewhere.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: Right. Right.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: So, But really, I was just like, don't make it
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: so precious because there were always so many stories like
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 4: from right after Raiders, like they started putting out those
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: Marvel's comics that were really cool. Yeah, they were all
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: these other stories about all these other artifacts he was
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: looking for. And like those were cool. Then they started
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: doing those novelizations of different stories that they gave all
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: these different writers license to just hear an indie story.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: So it's like we got all this other. property out
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: there that like you could be doing cool indie movies
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: of him going to all these different places looking for
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: all these things and we're so busy being precious about
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: everything once again back to our old man death grip
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: i'm like this is the thing i like don't anybody
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: touch it i'm just like get over yourself right let
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: them make some more four is awesome off but you
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: know what there's some good moments in it you know
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 4: and we all survived after it came out it's.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: That's right we all picked up the pieces and I
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: rewatched that recently and I was going like wow this
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: was much worse in my head you know yeah I.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: Mean there are several moments that are bad and sure
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: could have been edited out and there's a lot of
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 4: other good stuff in the middle that I'm like you
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 4: know this could have been a good movie I don't
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: know we did a whole episode of could you fix
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 4: it I still feel like with some adjustment from the
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 4: get go, you could have made that into a good movie,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 4: but you know, it got missed down the wrong road
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 4: several times along the way. So like, eh, but it
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: is interesting that this is the first one not directed
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 4: by Spielberg.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: And it's pretty solid. So I'm like, give it to
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: good filmmakers.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 4: Give them the budget to make a decent movie and
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: tell more indie stories. Like, yeah. Is it disturbing to
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: see the old man that Indy has become? Because we
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 4: like meet him and he's got his shirt off.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: You're not denying he's an old man.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: It's like, oh, yep, that is Harrison Ford today. And
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: he is not a youngster anymore. But he's still Harrison Ford.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: He's awesome. Like I can watch him be an old man.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: It's fine.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: And I think it is part of that. I do
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 4: like that they address that, too. It's not just I'm
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 4: going to pretend to be young Indy forever. Awesome. There's
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 4: a part where he's like complaining because he's like, look,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: I'm an old man. I don't need to be out
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: here climbing up this freaking mountain.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: I need to be retired. Like, leave me alone. So
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: I'm like, that's what I'm saying. I was like, yeah,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: don't don't pretend like he's not a human being. like
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 4: tell different stories from different points in his life, I suppose.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 4: But like, this is the end. And like, we've gotten
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 4: to him as an old man, let him be an
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: old man in this. Like, I'm fine with that, but
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: don't once again, cap it off so that like, okay.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: And that's it. We can't do anymore. I'm like, no,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: like they already have this new character they introduced here.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: I'm fine with going, telling more in the universe of
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 4: Indiana Jones, follow her around now. She was pretty likable too.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 4: I'm like, let's go follow her on adventures. Like, yeah,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know. People just get so precious about it
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 4: all that I'm just like, just tell a good story.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: I like the Indiana Jones universe. It's like, keep that going.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 4: Don't base it all on Harrison Ford.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: Obviously you don't have to base it all on, on
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 4: Lucas and Spielberg. Cause they're not here. They're not in
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: this movie. They went and saw it. Spielberg was in
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: the audience.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: Going, wow.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: I didn't know other people could do. Like he said
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: that to our director. He's just like, wow. I didn't
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 4: know anybody could make one of these except me. And
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: he's like, you did a good job. So like, that's
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: what we need. Like give it to other people, let
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: other people tell stories.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: So yeah.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: On that same note as earlier though, there is a,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 4: I guess not a spoiler really, but like, you know
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 4: how normally they start off with a little separate adventure
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: at the beginning.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 4: This one takes place back in time.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: And we get a young, not, not young Indiana Jones
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: as in the series, but young as in Raiders age,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: Indiana Jones in the middle of this story. And because
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 4: of CG, we get to see young Indiana Jones telling
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 4: this part of the story.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: It's fine. Did it work?
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, again, this stuff continues to get better
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 4: and better. Right. There's a part where they keep shining
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: the flashlight in his face, almost like the CG guys
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 4: are trying to show off.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: Be like, uh-huh, see?
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 4: And that's the worst looking part. I was like, why
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: would you do that? That's when you're making it look
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 4: super creepy in CG.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 4: But there's other stuff that, I mean, it's all practical
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: scans of him. Like, literally, they have all this footage
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 4: of his face when he's young. So, it's real versions
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 4: of Harrison Ford when he's young. So, it's not really, yeah.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: It's like, I mean, this is making the point of
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: so much of what we argued earlier.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 4: Like you've got, at least this was with his blessing,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 4: you know, and he's on screen and they're just covering
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 4: up his face on a lot of those scenes. And
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: old man, him is saying the lines, which some people
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 4: have said, it's a little weird that 30 some odd
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: year old version of him has old man voice, but whatever.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 4: It's still Harrison Ford, like giving his blessing to do this.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 4: So it's fine. That separates it from what's kind of
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 4: being argued in this strike. But at the same time,
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 4: you see, you can put this whole story together without,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, assuming Harrison Ford wasn't around anymore. if you
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: had a body double there and put it over his face,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 4: you could tell this whole story.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 4: It's cool on the one hand, because it's surprising. Like
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 4: if you showed me this in 1983, after I'd seen
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 4: Raiders and you know, I'd watched these movies already and
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, look, that's what I have noticed outside
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 4: of the flashlight. Like the rest of it looks pretty good.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, would I have known the difference as
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 4: a dumb kid watching Indiana Jones? I don't know that
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 4: I would. Yeah. As an old man, I'm just like, yeah,
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: this is impossible because he's an old man now. So
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 4: my brain is telling me to look for it. But
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 4: if I didn't know any better, I don't know. Again,
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 4: they've got millions of dollars. It looks pretty damn good.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. Yeah.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: It's impressive as a technical feat.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: Right. But magic trick, you know?
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But do I need it? Because it's always got
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: to be Harrison Ford. No, just recast it. put Aaron
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 4: Wright in there and cast him as that too. And
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: like make him the default Harrison Ford for everything. I'm
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: going to make and put him on the Tom Clancy movies.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah. Right.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: Instead of that dude from the office, just get, you know,
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 4: just find new people to play the character.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: It's fine.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 4: So that's my takeaway, but I've said that for years too.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, James Bond taught this. It's better
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: to have a new James Bond than to have Roger
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: Morse in his seventies, Mac and on Tanya Roberts, you know,
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: He does recast it.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, that was just footage they were shooting around
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: the set. He was doing that anyway, whether he was
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 4: James Bond or not.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: Pretty much.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: He's like, hey, I'm Roger Moore.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: Who doesn't want to be with me? Exactly.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 4: But no, I was fine with it. I think it's
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 4: a good adventure story. It's got interesting characters and it's
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 4: well made. So, you know, what's the downside there? Just
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 4: don't be so precious about it. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I got a friend. He says he's got to
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: see this stuff is like the latest issue of a
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: comic book series. Yeah.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the thing. They do that kind of
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 4: stuff in comics and comic readers. Well, some of them
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 4: are whiny and freak out. But a lot of times
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 4: over the years, they've like they'll kill off the character.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 4: They'll bring in a new person. You know, a new
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 4: person will play this person and like a whole new.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 4: story arc will take off because they brought in a
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 4: different writer. Like that kind of stuff got mixed up
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 4: all the time in comics and people just sort of
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 4: rolled with it. Usually. Whereas again, because these are big
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 4: budget and everybody now has a big dumb opinion, myself included.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 4: Like now we get whiny about it. We want to
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 4: complain about everything.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 4: Whatever, you know, just make stuff. Who cares?
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: Just make stuff. Who cares? Yeah. I mean, it's just, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: So yeah. I mean, cause you know, it's going to be,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: there's going to be in 20, 200 more Spider-Man reboots
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: and whatever. And it's all, you know, now they're talking
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: about Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire making another one. I mean,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: it's just like, it's so, it's all so crazy. Just
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: kind of got to go with the flow. Uh, it's, uh,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: you know, and if it gets, you know, if it's
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: all CG, yeah. You know, you're just, you're going to
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: talk into, uh, your phone and just say like, Hey,
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: make me a 90 minute version of, uh, of clash
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: of the titans starring you know uh british invasion bands.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 4: And it will happen and some people will be.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: Okay it runs you watch it you know i don't
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: know man that's that's so crazy dude yeah i missed
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: it but so so just psychologically it was weird that
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: uh indiana jones movie came out and it was uh
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: you know i had no i had i felt no
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: urgency to go see it and.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 4: It also didn't do great i mean it didn't i
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 4: don't think it's gonna lose money in the long run
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 4: but right it's not like it you know blew everything
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 4: out of the water like a new anina jones movie
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 4: would have done in the 80s.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: But right in my since my entire life i mean
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: you know it just was just like that's one of
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: the things you go see a movie it goes to
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: movies for is to see an anna jones movie or
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: something So it was just real interesting how even these
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: big AI, API, what was that? AP of intellectual IPs,
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: how these big properties, these big characters, you know, don't
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: generate the enthusiasm.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: And it shows you like the studios get so caught
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 4: up in that. Like, oh, we have to have recognizable characters.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 4: We have to have properties they already know. And then
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 4: like half of the time they're like, okay, here's one.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 4: You guys love this, right? it just goes down in flames.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: And you're like, well, then why do you keep pushing this? Like,
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 4: just tell a better story and focus on that. And
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe pay some writers to tell a
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 4: better story.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: They're so complaining.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: Anyway, obviously we have solved all the problems with the
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 4: internet and the industry as a whole over these last
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 4: two episodes.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: As experts. So, We're basically we're basically like those idiots
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: on CNN, you know, who just like we're official appreciators
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: who have a lot of ideas.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 4: I don't claim to know anything, but I talk about
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 4: stuff a lot.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: It doesn't keep me from talking about it. Just because
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know about it doesn't keep me from talking
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 4: I don't claim to be an expert on anything. In fact,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 4: kind of the opposite. I keep talking and that's all
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 4: that matters.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: Right. Oh, man. Brian, I feel like we talked about
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: the entire universe. I feel like this was a total
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: meltdown compared no subject was left unturned.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 4: This is what we do when we get together so
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 4: this is why I like doing these because we really
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 4: just dig in and get nowhere and we dig.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: In some more right We double down on not knowing
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: what we're talking about.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 4: We double down on not knowing anything, but we talk
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 4: about it a lot.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: We spend hours and hours talking around, you know, our
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: belly buttons about, you know, what did you think about,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just, it's, it's, it's always a good time.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 4: We are ridiculous.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with indulging in ridiculousness for several hours.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: That's what brought us to the movies as a fan.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 4: So we can certainly do our own bastardized version of
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 4: it on here.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. It's a good, it's a good
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: extension of just being distracted by nonsense. You know, even
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: if we are nonsense.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 4: Right. Right.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: Self-generated nonsense.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 4: Thank you for joining me on this journey of nonsense.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no problem, dude. No problem.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 4: It was great.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I guess we should leave it at that before
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  Speaker 4: we get off on another tangent.
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  Speaker 1: It's nap 07.
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  Speaker 4: Time to wrap it up. The old men have complained
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  Speaker 4: about stuff and now they got to take a nap.
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  Speaker 4: So we will leave you with that. Thank you as
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  Speaker 4: well for joining us for this rambling. Otherwise, I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what does it. We will return next time. Same
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  Speaker 4: geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 8: Old man, look at my life I'm a lot like
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  Speaker 8: you were Old man, look at my life.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a lot like you were Old man, look.
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  Speaker 9: At my life 24 and there's so much more.
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  Speaker 8: Live alone in a paradise that makes me.
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  Speaker 9: Think of children.
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  Speaker 4: Love not at such a cost. Give me things that
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  Speaker 4: won't get lost.
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  Speaker 9: Like a coin that won't get tossed rolling home to you.
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  Speaker 9: Old man, take a look at my life.
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  Speaker 5: I'm in love like you.
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  Speaker 4: I need someone to love me.
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  Speaker 2: The whole day through. I want to look in my
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  Speaker 2: eyes and you can tell it's true.
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  Speaker 9: I've been first and last Look at how the time
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  Speaker 9: goes past But I'm all alone at last Rolling home
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  Speaker 9: to you Old man, take.
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  Speaker 2: A look at my life.
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  Speaker 5: I'm a lot like you. I need someone to love
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  Speaker 5: me the whole day through.
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  Speaker 2: I want to look in the eyes.
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  Speaker 1: And you can.
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  Speaker 4: Tell it's true.
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  Speaker 8: Old man, look at my life. I'm a lot like you.
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  Speaker 8: Old man, look at my life.
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  Speaker 9: I'm a lot like you.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on one second.
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  Speaker 4: I think you're unstable.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm unf.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously you're unstable.
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