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FBI Hero Shot Twice - How He Ended History's Deadliest Fight - Part 1 · Heroes Behind the Badge

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  Dennis Collins Craig, again,
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  Dennis Collins congratulations on the award.
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  Dennis Collins Congratulations for your lifetime of
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  Dennis Collins And let's have another good show today.
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  Craig Floyd It's my personal pleasure.
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  Craig Floyd You know that.
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  Craig Floyd And it was so great to have you there for
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  Craig Floyd that award ceremony.
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  Craig Floyd And today we have such a special guest.
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  Craig Floyd This is somebody who I'm being reunited
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  Craig Floyd with after 34 years.
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  Craig Floyd He was there with us, a featured speaker
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  Craig Floyd when we dedicated the National Law
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  Craig Floyd And I'm so proud that he agreed to join
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  Craig Floyd So I'll let you do the introductions, but
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  Craig Floyd can't wait to get into it
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  Craig Floyd with him.
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  Dennis Collins Let's give this gentleman a proper
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  Dennis Collins introduction he so richly deserves.
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  Dennis Collins Ed Morales, Ed Morales, Jr., a retired
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  Dennis Collins FBI special agent, a native of Texas, a
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  Dennis Collins United States Marine
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  Dennis Collins veteran, two tours in Vietnam.
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  Dennis Collins He joined the FBI in
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  Dennis Collins September of 1979 and 1985.
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  Dennis Collins He transferred to the Miami field office
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  Dennis Collins law enforcement family.
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  Dennis Collins He and his wife both served 25 years and
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  Dennis Collins retired from the FBI, author of two
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  Dennis Collins hope we'll talk about during our time
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  Dennis Collins together, named I
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  Dennis Collins think I got it right, Lalo.
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  Dennis Collins Ed's that was his undercover name.
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  Dennis Collins Don't tell anybody.
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  Dennis Collins Secret, secret compilation of undercover
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  Dennis Collins cases during his FBI career.
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  Dennis Collins As with most of our guests who have
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  Dennis Collins served distinguished law enforcement
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  Dennis Collins careers, many achievements, notable
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  Dennis Collins accomplishments for decades.
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  Dennis Collins April 11th, 1986, 845 a.m., 14 FBI agents
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  Dennis Collins were preparing to conduct a rolling
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  Dennis Collins stakeout looking for two ruthless,
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  Dennis Collins violent criminals,
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  Dennis Collins bank robbers, murderers.
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  Dennis Collins They were called the Unknown Gang.
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  Dennis Collins They were running rampant up and down US
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  Dennis Collins one in South Dade County, Florida,
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  Dennis Collins especially on Fridays.
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  Dennis Collins But Morellus and his and seven of his
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  Dennis Collins fellow agents made contact with these bad
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  Dennis Collins guys on Southwest 82nd Avenue in Dade
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  Dennis Collins County in the Dade
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  Dennis Collins County village of Pinecrest.
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  Dennis Collins What followed would be one of the most
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  Dennis Collins dramatic and deadly
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  Dennis Collins encounters in FBI history.
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  Dennis Collins Morellus was the first agent ever to be
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  Dennis Collins honored with the FBI medal
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  Dennis Collins of valor on April 10th, 1990.
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  Dennis Collins And October 7th on October 7 1986, the
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  Dennis Collins IACP police officer of the
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  Dennis Collins year award to Ed Morellus.
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  Dennis Collins This story has been
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  Dennis Collins told many, many times.
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  Dennis Collins But it's important that we tell it again
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  Dennis Collins and ask Ed to tell it in his own words,
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  Dennis Collins so we never, ever,
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  Dennis Collins ever forget our heroes.
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  Dennis Collins Ed, a warm welcome to
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  Dennis Collins heroes behind the badge.
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  Dennis Collins We are delighted to
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  Dennis Collins have you as our guest.
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  Ed Mireles Thank you, Dennis.
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  Ed Mireles It's a pleasure to be here.
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  Ed Mireles And it's a pleasure to reconnect with
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  Ed Mireles Craig again, after 34 years.
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  Ed Mireles Yes, indeed.
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  Ed Mireles Great, great deal.
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  Dennis Collins That is great.
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  Dennis Collins Well, I feel a little connection.
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  Dennis Collins I was the general manager of three radio
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  Dennis Collins stations in Miami at
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  Dennis Collins the time of this incident.
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  Dennis Collins And my I think I was telling you before
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  Dennis Collins we started, the news director called me
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  Dennis Collins into around nine o'clock that morning, he
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  Dennis Collins says, did you're not going to believe
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  Dennis Collins what's going on down in South Dade.
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  Dennis Collins And of course, the scanners were all lit
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  Dennis Collins up with the Dade County police at that
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  Dennis Collins time, you know, trying to help you guys
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  Dennis Collins clean up the mess, the aftermath they got
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  Dennis Collins there after the fact.
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  Dennis Collins But, you know, it was
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  Dennis Collins it was unbelievable.
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  Dennis Collins It was chaos, as you know.
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  Dennis Collins And so I'm glad you're here.
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  Dennis Collins And I'm glad you're here to share once
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  Dennis Collins again, this amazing story.
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  Dennis Collins Thank you.
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  Dennis Collins Let's turn it over to Craig.
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  Dennis Collins Craig, I know you
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  Dennis Collins guys have met each other.
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  Dennis Collins And there's obviously a connection.
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  Dennis Collins Bill Erforth serving so many years in
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  Dennis Collins Miami Dade as a police
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  Dennis Collins officer and lieutenant.
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  Dennis Collins Let's, let's begin with Craig.
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  Craig Floyd Glad when we selected the representative
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  Craig Floyd of law enforcement in America to speak at
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  Craig Floyd the National Law Enforcement Officers
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  Craig Floyd Memorial dedication.
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  Craig Floyd I turned to you, my friend, because I
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  Craig Floyd knew your story a few years earlier, you
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  Craig Floyd had heroically ended what they call the
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  Craig Floyd bloodiest day in FBI history.
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  Craig Floyd And I certainly want to share that story
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  Craig Floyd here today with our audience.
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  Craig Floyd Let's start with the suspects and what
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  Craig Floyd led to this shootout on April 11 1986.
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  Craig Floyd Two suspects you were after
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  Craig Floyd Michael Platt and William Maddox.
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  Craig Floyd And take it from here.
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  Craig Floyd Who were these people you were after?
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  Craig Floyd And what have they done that led to this
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  Craig Floyd arrest situation and
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  Craig Floyd ultimately the shootout?
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  Ed Mireles Well, Craig, that's the the interesting
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  Ed Mireles part about this whole about the
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  Ed Mireles initiation of this case.
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  Ed Mireles At the time, right before the shooting
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  Ed Mireles and the weeks and months previous, we had
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  Ed Mireles no idea who these guys were.
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  Ed Mireles I tell people I said they were ghosts.
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  Ed Mireles They were phantoms.
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  Ed Mireles They would just appear on Fridays
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  Ed Mireles usually, be a bunch of gunfire.
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  Ed Mireles Sometimes it'd be dead people.
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  Ed Mireles Sometimes they'd be wounded
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  Ed Mireles people and then disappear.
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  Ed Mireles I mean, they really were phantoms.
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  Ed Mireles That's how we call them the Unknown Gang.
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  Ed Mireles Because witnesses couldn't tell us
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  Ed Mireles whether they were white,
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  Ed Mireles black, Hispanic or male or female.
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  Ed Mireles Really.
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  Ed Mireles So up until, well, actually, it wasn't
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  Ed Mireles until after the shootout
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  Ed Mireles happened that we knew who they were.
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  Ed Mireles We had, we got a lucky break about three
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  Ed Mireles weeks before the shooting.
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  Ed Mireles They had assaulted a gentleman out of
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  Ed Mireles Hialeah, Florida, where he was out target
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  Ed Mireles shooting in the Everglades.
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  Ed Mireles They shot him and left him for dead.
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  Ed Mireles And they stole his black Monte Carlo.
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  Ed Mireles And that gentleman,
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  Ed Mireles Jose Correaso was so lucky.
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  Ed Mireles He was shot three times.
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  Ed Mireles And he was about a
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  Ed Mireles mile into the Everglades.
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  Ed Mireles And he had a strong will to survive.
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  Ed Mireles He had a decision to make after after
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  Ed Mireles they shot him, shot him, they sold his
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  Ed Mireles car, sold his guns, stole his wallet, you
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  Ed Mireles know, took everything from him.
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  Ed Mireles He had to make a choice.
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  Ed Mireles Do I stay here and die?
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  Ed Mireles Or do I try to do something to survive?
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  Ed Mireles And he decided to try to survive.
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  Ed Mireles So he staggered about a mile from where
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  Ed Mireles he was shot out to the nearest highway.
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  Ed Mireles And he waved down some a passing vehicle
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  Ed Mireles passing, I think it was a
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  Ed Mireles station wagon or something.
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  Ed Mireles And the people in that car
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  Ed Mireles got him to a phone and call 911.
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  Ed Mireles And he ended up at Miami hospital.
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  Ed Mireles So he was our first live witness.
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  Ed Mireles I mean, that was really the first person
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  Ed Mireles that saw these guys that survived up
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  Ed Mireles until that time,
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  Ed Mireles everybody that saw him died.
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  Ed Mireles So even though we had a good description
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  Ed Mireles of these guys, there were two white
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  Ed Mireles males, about six feet, six
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  Ed Mireles feet one, six, six foot two.
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  Ed Mireles Slender had a military bearing, and they
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  Ed Mireles drove a white pickup truck.
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  Ed Mireles That's all the information we had up
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  Ed Mireles until the up until after the gunfight.
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  Ed Mireles So based on the information that we had,
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  Ed Mireles that happened on March 12.
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  Ed Mireles In 1986, we started doing surveillance is
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  Ed Mireles in South Miami, from those of you that
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  Ed Mireles are familiar with that
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  Ed Mireles area, US one, and South Miami.
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  Ed Mireles And I mean, it was, I
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  Ed Mireles mean, we had nothing.
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  Ed Mireles I mean, we had no idea, you know, so we
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  Ed Mireles just said, Hey, we're gonna do a shotgun
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  Ed Mireles lead, we're gonna saturate the area with
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  Ed Mireles officers, agents, and
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  Ed Mireles hopefully we'll get lucky.
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  Ed Mireles And as it turned out, we were lucky, one
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  Ed Mireles of our surveillance is the lead was to go
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  Ed Mireles out there and take down the license plate
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  Ed Mireles of any light colored
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  Ed Mireles pickup truck in South Florida.
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  Ed Mireles So I mean, that's how desperate we were
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  Ed Mireles for a lead, you know?
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  Ed Mireles So as luck would have it, John Hanlon,
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  Ed Mireles that unbeknownst to him, had taken down a
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  Ed Mireles tag of a pickup truck that passed them.
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  Ed Mireles And that tag, I don't recall the number
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  Ed Mireles off the top of my head, but it ended up
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  Ed Mireles being Maddox's pickup truck.
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  Ed Mireles So people say, well,
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  Ed Mireles what does that matter?
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  Ed Mireles Well, if we had taken the owners of the
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  Ed Mireles pickup truck, you know, separated them,
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  Ed Mireles okay, all the female owners discard them,
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  Ed Mireles all the black and Hispanic owners discard
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  Ed Mireles them, and you're left with a
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  Ed Mireles pool of potential suspects.
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  Ed Mireles So we would have whittled down the list,
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  Ed Mireles you know, we would have
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  Ed Mireles shown them photo spreads to Mr.
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  Ed Mireles Carriasso.
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  Ed Mireles And eventually, we would have identified
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  Ed Mireles who the shooter was, who the background
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  Ed Mireles was for, but it didn't happen that way.
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  Ed Mireles But what ended up happening was what I
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  Ed Mireles call intuitive policing.
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  Ed Mireles Our supervisor, Gordon McNeil,
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  Ed Mireles on April 10th, he was out at firearms
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  Ed Mireles training with Ben Grogan, the case agent.
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  Ed Mireles And he said, Hey, Ben, you know, how
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  Ed Mireles about we set up a surveillance tomorrow?
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  Ed Mireles And he and Ben had a conversation.
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  Ed Mireles And I know this because Gordon told me
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  Ed Mireles that what happened, you
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  Ed Mireles know, after the shooting,
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  Ed Mireles he said he and Ben discussed it.
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  Ed Mireles And Ben asked him,
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  Ed Mireles Gordon, what do you know?
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  Ed Mireles I mean, what's what's up?
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  Ed Mireles Do you have something I don't know?
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  Ed Mireles I don't know about?
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  Ed Mireles No.
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  Ed Mireles He said, number one, he said the last
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  Ed Mireles time they hit a bank was three weeks ago.
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  Ed Mireles Number two, when they hit
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  Ed Mireles the bank, they only got $8,000.
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  Ed Mireles Normally, they got $40,000 or $50,000.
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  Ed Mireles And number three,
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  Craig Floyd just to break up, how many bank robberies
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  Craig Floyd had they committed up to this point?
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  Ed Mireles Bank and armored truck robbers, you know,
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  Ed Mireles we can combine them together.
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  Ed Mireles We with evidence, we can link them to six
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  Ed Mireles confirmed robberies.
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  Ed Mireles Okay, but there were an additional 12 to
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  Ed Mireles 14 robberies that had the same MO that
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  Ed Mireles had the same style of robbery.
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  Ed Mireles So we think they were good for anywhere
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  Ed Mireles from between 12 to 15
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  Ed Mireles robberies in South Florida.
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  Ed Mireles But we could only link positively link
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  Ed Mireles them to six through forensics evidence.
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  Ed Mireles So Gordon told, as I was saying, Gordon
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  Ed Mireles told Ben, hey, tomorrow, the last time
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  Ed Mireles they hit was three weeks ago, but the
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  Ed Mireles last time they hit, they only got $8,000.
• 1:14:54
  Ed Mireles And tomorrow is Friday, payday Friday.
• 1:14:58
  Ed Mireles Those of us old timers that
• 1:15:00
  Ed Mireles know what payday Friday is.
• 1:15:02
  Ed Mireles So he said, Hey, I
• 1:15:04
  Ed Mireles think I think they're due.
• 1:15:05
  Ed Mireles I've got a hunch.
• 1:15:06
  Ed Mireles I think they're going to hit tomorrow.
• 1:15:08
  Ed Mireles That's how we ended up on surveillance,
• 1:15:10
  Ed Mireles you know, just, you know, intuitive
• 1:15:12
  Ed Mireles policing, you know, a good,
• 1:15:13
  Ed Mireles good hunch by a good, good agent.
• 1:15:16
  Bill Erfurth So Ed, I want to jump in real
• 1:15:17
  Bill Erfurth quick and ask you something.
• 1:15:18
  Bill Erfurth So the tie in here, and you were talking
• 1:15:21
  Bill Erfurth about the victim that was
• 1:15:22
  Bill Erfurth shot out in the Everglades.
• 1:15:24
  Bill Erfurth And I think the timeline of that was
• 1:15:25
  Bill Erfurth about a month prior.
• 1:15:26
  Bill Erfurth How is that or how was that tied in
• 1:15:30
  Bill Erfurth together so that it wasn't an isolated
• 1:15:33
  Bill Erfurth incident, that it was just another random
• 1:15:35
  Bill Erfurth crime that happened in the Everglades.
• 1:15:37
  Bill Erfurth So how did you tie that, that together at
• 1:15:40
  Bill Erfurth that point and think, wow, maybe these
• 1:15:43
  Bill Erfurth guys are our bank robbers?
• 1:15:45
  Ed Mireles Well, that's a good question, Bill.
• 1:15:47
  Ed Mireles You know, first of all, the first getaway
• 1:15:51
  Ed Mireles car that they used was, was it, I don't
• 1:15:53
  Ed Mireles know how it ended up being this way, but
• 1:15:55
  Ed Mireles it was a gold colored Monte Carlo.
• 1:15:57
  Ed Mireles I mean, don't ask me how the Monte Carlo
• 1:16:00
  Ed Mireles brand gets into there.
• 1:16:02
  Ed Mireles But that car belonged to Emilio Briel.
• 1:16:06
  Ed Mireles He went to target practicing and, you
• 1:16:09
  Ed Mireles know, August, September of 1985, he went
• 1:16:13
  Ed Mireles to the Everglades to target
• 1:16:15
  Ed Mireles practice and he disappeared.
• 1:16:17
  Ed Mireles He never, he, he was
• 1:16:18
  Ed Mireles never seen alive again.
• 1:16:20
  Ed Mireles That was about a week after his
• 1:16:24
  Ed Mireles disappearance, you know, we started
• 1:16:25
  Ed Mireles getting a rash of armored
• 1:16:27
  Ed Mireles truck and bank robberies.
• 1:16:28
  Ed Mireles And people would say, hey, the getaway
• 1:16:31
  Ed Mireles car was a green car, a brown car, a gold
• 1:16:34
  Ed Mireles car, you know, a white car.
• 1:16:36
  Ed Mireles So we, you know, people couldn't really
• 1:16:38
  Ed Mireles tell us, you know, it's, people get
• 1:16:40
  Ed Mireles stressed out when people point guns in
• 1:16:41
  Ed Mireles their faces, you know, or a weapon shot.
• 1:16:44
  Ed Mireles People are funny that way,
• 1:16:45
  Ed Mireles right?
• 1:16:45
  Bill Erfurth And just a little bit.
• 1:16:47
  Ed Mireles So,
• 1:16:49
  Ed Mireles you know, it was hard to get a good
• 1:16:50
  Ed Mireles description, you know, but it wasn't
• 1:16:51
  Ed Mireles until January of 1986 that
• 1:16:55
  Ed Mireles we recovered the stolen car.
• 1:16:57
  Ed Mireles A witness followed the bank robbers to a
• 1:17:01
  Ed Mireles Burger King in the area close
• 1:17:03
  Ed Mireles to the bank that was robbed.
• 1:17:05
  Ed Mireles He saw them switch from the stolen car,
• 1:17:08
  Ed Mireles from the bank robbery car to their
• 1:17:10
  Ed Mireles personal car, which is a pickup truck.
• 1:17:13
  Ed Mireles He tried to follow them, but you know,
• 1:17:14
  Ed Mireles they, they saw him and he, the bad guys
• 1:17:18
  Ed Mireles got out and pointed a gun at him, you
• 1:17:19
  Ed Mireles know, so he drove back.
• 1:17:21
  Ed Mireles So that was, that was the, the tie
• 1:17:24
  Ed Mireles in.
• 1:17:25
  Bill Erfurth Okay.
• 1:17:26
  Ed Mireles So had the misfortune of going to target
• 1:17:29
  Ed Mireles practice in the same place where Emilio
• 1:17:32
  Ed Mireles Briel had been targeted practicing.
• 1:17:34
  Ed Mireles And that's when he was, when he was
• 1:17:36
  Ed Mireles accosted and shot and left for dead.
• 1:17:38
  Ed Mireles Now that was on March 12th, on March
• 1:17:40
  Ed Mireles 19th, a week after he
• 1:17:43
  Ed Mireles was shot and left for dead.
• 1:17:45
  Ed Mireles We had a bank robbery at the Barnett bank
• 1:17:48
  Ed Mireles at 136th street and South Dixie highway.
• 1:17:52
  Ed Mireles I think Barnett, the Barnett company has
• 1:17:55
  Ed Mireles been bought out by somebody else, you
• 1:17:56
  Ed Mireles know, but at the time when the bank was
• 1:18:00
  Ed Mireles called Barnett bank, there was a US
• 1:18:02
  Ed Mireles customs inspector that was driving into
• 1:18:06
  Ed Mireles the bank at about nine, nine 30 in the
• 1:18:08
  Ed Mireles morning to cash a check.
• 1:18:10
  Ed Mireles And I make fun of people.
• 1:18:13
  Ed Mireles I make fun of people, the young kids
• 1:18:15
  Ed Mireles today, I have to hold
• 1:18:17
  Ed Mireles up a piece of paper.
• 1:18:18
  Ed Mireles A check used to be a, a, a, a monetary
• 1:18:21
  Ed Mireles instrument that you had to sign to go
• 1:18:23
  Ed Mireles into a bank to get your money.
• 1:18:25
  Ed Mireles So he was going in the cash a check.
• 1:18:28
  Ed Mireles And when he was parking, he saw two men
• 1:18:30
  Ed Mireles running out of the bank with, with long
• 1:18:33
  Ed Mireles rifles wearing masks and, and, you know,
• 1:18:37
  Ed Mireles had dark clothing on jump into a black
• 1:18:39
  Ed Mireles car back out of the
• 1:18:41
  Ed Mireles parking space and speed away.
• 1:18:43
  Ed Mireles Well, when they backed up, they backed
• 1:18:45
  Ed Mireles the rear end of the car towards his
• 1:18:48
  Ed Mireles position, being a law enforcement
• 1:18:50
  Ed Mireles officer, a customs guy,
• 1:18:53
  Ed Mireles he jotted down the tag.
• 1:18:55
  Ed Mireles So we had a confirmed sighting of the
• 1:18:57
  Ed Mireles black Monte Carlo that was stolen from
• 1:19:00
  Ed Mireles Jose Correaso to an actual
• 1:19:03
  Ed Mireles bank robbery a week later.
• 1:19:04
  Ed Mireles So the customs officer said it was the
• 1:19:06
  Ed Mireles tag was NTJ 891, which matched exactly to
• 1:19:12
  Ed Mireles the tag that Correaso's stolen car had on
• 1:19:15
  Ed Mireles it.
• 1:19:15
  Bill Erfurth So one other thing I want to clear up and
• 1:19:19
  Bill Erfurth kind of tie in for everyone that's
• 1:19:21
  Bill Erfurth listening is you mentioned that this was
• 1:19:24
  Bill Erfurth the same location out of the Everglades
• 1:19:26
  Bill Erfurth that they had gone at least for a second
• 1:19:28
  Bill Erfurth time when this had happened.
• 1:19:31
  Bill Erfurth So knowing, and we'll, we'll, we'll state
• 1:19:34
  Bill Erfurth this now, these guys
• 1:19:36
  Bill Erfurth were both in the military.
• 1:19:37
  Bill Erfurth They both had, you know, pretty
• 1:19:39
  Bill Erfurth significant military backgrounds and they
• 1:19:41
  Bill Erfurth met together when they were in the
• 1:19:43
  Bill Erfurth military and became friends and then
• 1:19:46
  Bill Erfurth ultimately came together after they were
• 1:19:48
  Bill Erfurth both honorably discharged.
• 1:19:51
  Bill Erfurth So was there some real connection as to
• 1:19:53
  Bill Erfurth why they would go to this
• 1:19:54
  Bill Erfurth location in the Everglades?
• 1:19:56
  Bill Erfurth Was it because they went out there and
• 1:19:57
  Bill Erfurth they would shoot there also,
• 1:19:58
  Bill Erfurth or was that ever determined?
• 1:20:01
  Ed Mireles We could never ever determine that they
• 1:20:03
  Ed Mireles shot there except for
• 1:20:06
  Ed Mireles the following information.
• 1:20:08
  Ed Mireles There, there were girlfriends, wives, you
• 1:20:11
  Ed Mireles know, whatever they had at the time that
• 1:20:13
  Ed Mireles they were, they were involved in the, in
• 1:20:15
  Ed Mireles the robberies told us that these guys
• 1:20:18
  Ed Mireles used to go shooting every week.
• 1:20:22
  Ed Mireles They practiced every week.
• 1:20:25
  Ed Mireles And you're from, you're
• 1:20:26
  Ed Mireles from, from the Dade County area.
• 1:20:28
  Ed Mireles I've been to the same place that Emilio
• 1:20:32
  Ed Mireles Briel and Jose Coyasso used to shoot.
• 1:20:35
  Ed Mireles It's out there in the
• 1:20:36
  Ed Mireles Everglades off the Tamiami Trail
• 1:20:39
  Ed Mireles between, you know, right before you get
• 1:20:40
  Ed Mireles to Chrome Avenue, Tamiami Trail, there's
• 1:20:42
  Ed Mireles an area there where people shoot.
• 1:20:44
  Ed Mireles It's, it's an open area.
• 1:20:46
  Ed Mireles You go out there, you walk on, on so many
• 1:20:48
  Ed Mireles shell casings, just like walking on a
• 1:20:50
  Ed Mireles brass highway, a brass sidewalk.
• 1:20:53
  Ed Mireles There's so much ammo out
• 1:20:54
  Ed Mireles there that's been fired.
• 1:20:56
  Ed Mireles So, I mean, I've actually shot at that
• 1:20:58
  Ed Mireles same location, you know, so I mean,
• 1:20:59
  Ed Mireles there's a common, common area.
• 1:21:01
  Ed Mireles It's, it's free and it's safe.
• 1:21:02
  Ed Mireles You know, there's, well, I don't know,
• 1:21:04
  Ed Mireles back then there were no houses out there.
• 1:21:05
  Ed Mireles I don't know what it is now,
• 1:21:06
  Ed Mireles but so it was a common area.
• 1:21:09
  Ed Mireles And these guys, the, the, the bank
• 1:21:12
  Ed Mireles robbers probably also went out there to
• 1:21:14
  Ed Mireles practice because that's, that's what
• 1:21:16
  Ed Mireles happened when they, they, they shot and
• 1:21:18
  Ed Mireles left Coyasso for dead.
• 1:21:20
  Ed Mireles They were out there in their pickup truck
• 1:21:23
  Ed Mireles with their weapons and they were firing,
• 1:21:24
  Ed Mireles they were practicing.
• 1:21:26
  Ed Mireles And then somewhere along the time, a few
• 1:21:28
  Ed Mireles minutes after they got there, they turned
• 1:21:30
  Ed Mireles around and decided to attack Coyasso.
• 1:21:33
  Ed Mireles They came up behind him, you know,
• 1:21:36
  Ed Mireles pointed their weapons at him and said,
• 1:21:37
  Ed Mireles Hey, listen, give us your wallet, give us
• 1:21:39
  Ed Mireles your guns, give us your, you know, watch,
• 1:21:40
  Ed Mireles whatever, and give us
• 1:21:41
  Ed Mireles the keys to your car.
• 1:21:43
  Ed Mireles So that's, that's how it ended up going
• 1:21:45
  Craig Floyd You know, let me, let me jump in here for
• 1:21:47
  Craig Floyd a second to help our audience understand
• 1:21:50
  Craig Floyd the depth of evil
• 1:21:52
  Craig Floyd that these guys sunk to.
• 1:21:56
  Craig Floyd You mentioned their
• 1:21:57
  Craig Floyd girlfriends and wives.
• 1:21:59
  Craig Floyd There is suspicion.
• 1:22:00
  Craig Floyd I don't know that it was ever proven a
• 1:22:02
  Craig Floyd hundred percent, but they were suspicion
• 1:22:04
  Craig Floyd that both Maddox's wife and Platt's wife
• 1:22:07
  Craig Floyd died under mysterious circumstances.
• 1:22:12
  Craig Floyd One was stabbed to death along with a
• 1:22:15
  Craig Floyd researcher at a hospital, I believe.
• 1:22:18
  Craig Floyd And the other was an apparent suicide,
• 1:22:22
  Craig Floyd but it was never proven.
• 1:22:24
  Craig Floyd And the suspicion was that Maddox and
• 1:22:26
  Craig Floyd Platt may have killed their own wives.
• 1:22:30
  Craig Floyd So, I mean, this is the despicable
• 1:22:31
  Craig Floyd characters we're talking about that will
• 1:22:33
  Craig Floyd stoop to no depths too
• 1:22:37
  Craig Floyd deep to commit evil acts.
• 1:22:40
  Craig Floyd And it's almost unbelievable to think
• 1:22:42
  Craig Floyd there are people in this world that are
• 1:22:45
  Craig Floyd like them in that regard.
• 1:22:47
  Craig Floyd And yet you had to go up with against
• 1:22:49
  Craig Floyd them on April 11, 1986.
• 1:22:53
  Craig Floyd So, so take us back again, you're
• 1:22:54
  Craig Floyd surveilling, you spot the vehicle, and
• 1:22:58
  Craig Floyd all hell breaks loose.
• 1:22:59
  Craig Floyd Talk us through that.
• 1:23:01
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:23:02
  Ed Mireles Actually, it was Ben Grogan and Jerry
• 1:23:04
  Ed Mireles Dubb riding in the same unit together
• 1:23:06
  Ed Mireles that spotted the car.
• 1:23:08
  Ed Mireles They were at 136th Street and US 1.
• 1:23:11
  Ed Mireles They were at the Barnett bank that I
• 1:23:13
  Ed Mireles mentioned before that had
• 1:23:14
  Ed Mireles been robbed on March 19.
• 1:23:18
  Ed Mireles And this is speculation on our part
• 1:23:21
  Ed Mireles because all four witnesses that were
• 1:23:24
  Ed Mireles involved in this
• 1:23:24
  Ed Mireles little incident are dead.
• 1:23:26
  Ed Mireles Ben and Jerry are dead, and
• 1:23:28
  Ed Mireles the two bank robbers are dead.
• 1:23:29
  Ed Mireles So we can't get information.
• 1:23:31
  Ed Mireles We can't interview them, you know, but
• 1:23:32
  Ed Mireles based on trying to reconstruct the event,
• 1:23:37
  Ed Mireles the black Monte Carlo must have driven
• 1:23:39
  Ed Mireles into the parking lot of the Barnett bank.
• 1:23:42
  Ed Mireles And at the time on April 11, they had a
• 1:23:44
  Ed Mireles marked unit parked in front
• 1:23:47
  Ed Mireles of the bank as extra security.
• 1:23:49
  Ed Mireles So they probably drove in, saw the marked
• 1:23:51
  Ed Mireles unit, made a circle around the parking
• 1:23:54
  Ed Mireles lot and started leaving.
• 1:23:56
  Ed Mireles Well, it's our speculation that Ben and
• 1:23:58
  Ed Mireles or Jerry saw the black car circling
• 1:24:02
  Ed Mireles around the parking lot.
• 1:24:03
  Ed Mireles So they decided to follow it and they
• 1:24:05
  Ed Mireles couldn't see the tag.
• 1:24:07
  Ed Mireles So they followed it north on US 1.
• 1:24:10
  Ed Mireles And it wasn't until they got to about
• 1:24:12
  Ed Mireles 124th Street and US 1 that they were able
• 1:24:16
  Ed Mireles to catch up with it and verify that the
• 1:24:19
  Ed Mireles tag on the black car was the tag from a
• 1:24:22
  Ed Mireles Cuyasso stolen Monte Carlo.
• 1:24:25
  Ed Mireles And boy, I'll tell you what, they'll talk
• 1:24:26
  Ed Mireles about all hell breaking loose.
• 1:24:28
  Ed Mireles It's like, I remember
• 1:24:30
  Ed Mireles the worst of this day.
• 1:24:31
  Ed Mireles I mean, they're, you
• 1:24:33
  Ed Mireles know, lasered into my mind.
• 1:24:35
  Ed Mireles Ben Grogan called out attention.
• 1:24:37
  Ed Mireles All units were behind a black vehicle two
• 1:24:39
  Ed Mireles door, wrote a tag NTJ 891.
• 1:24:42
  Ed Mireles We're headed north on
• 1:24:45
  Ed Mireles the South Dixie Highway.
• 1:24:47
  Ed Mireles It's like, holy cow, I could not believe
• 1:24:49
  Ed Mireles that these guys were that bold, that
• 1:24:52
  Ed Mireles brazen to be in a stolen car.
• 1:24:56
  Ed Mireles They didn't even
• 1:24:56
  Ed Mireles change the tags on the car.
• 1:24:58
  Ed Mireles You know, so it's kind of like, I don't
• 1:25:01
  Ed Mireles know, they weren't dumb.
• 1:25:02
  Ed Mireles I think they may have been just daring
• 1:25:04
  Ed Mireles us, daring law enforcement to stop them.
• 1:25:08
  Ed Mireles You know, I mean, I have no, I have no
• 1:25:10
  Ed Mireles idea what their real motivation was.
• 1:25:12
  Ed Mireles But you have to admit, you know, that the
• 1:25:17
  Ed Mireles description of the car and the tag number
• 1:25:19
  Ed Mireles had been publicized all over South
• 1:25:22
  Ed Mireles Florida from, from Orlando down to Key
• 1:25:25
  Ed Mireles West, you know, so I mean, they knew they
• 1:25:27
  Ed Mireles were, they were, they
• 1:25:28
  Ed Mireles were looking for the car.
• 1:25:30
  Ed Mireles And here they are on a Friday morning,
• 1:25:32
  Ed Mireles just driving around in a stolen car.
• 1:25:35
  Ed Mireles So what followed was a short surveillance
• 1:25:39
  Ed Mireles that turned into a real
• 1:25:42
  Ed Mireles short high speed chase.
• 1:25:45
  Ed Mireles That led to a bunch of, there were four
• 1:25:48
  Ed Mireles units, three FBI cars, and one, the
• 1:25:50
  Ed Mireles stolen Monte Carlo, ended up playing
• 1:25:53
  Ed Mireles bumper cars on Southwest 82nd Avenue, so
• 1:25:57
  Ed Mireles that we were Southbound.
• 1:25:58
  Ed Mireles So there was a series of crashes and
• 1:26:00
  Ed Mireles banging and rear ending and so on and so
• 1:26:02
  Ed Mireles forth, you know, and what,
• 1:26:05
  Ed Mireles as luck would have it, we ended up
• 1:26:07
  Ed Mireles ramming them or Richard Manousine ended
• 1:26:11
  Ed Mireles up ramming the, the stolen Monte Carlo
• 1:26:13
  Ed Mireles into a driveway against some civilian
• 1:26:16
  Ed Mireles cars and up pinned up against a tree.
• 1:26:18
  Ed Mireles And he pinned them on the left side on
• 1:26:20
  Ed Mireles the left side of his
• 1:26:22
  Ed Mireles left side of the stolen car.
• 1:26:25
  Craig Floyd He penned them.
• 1:26:26
  Craig Floyd This is a residential
• 1:26:27
  Craig Floyd neighborhood, as I remember, right?
• 1:26:30
  Ed Mireles Correct, right.
• 1:26:30
  Ed Mireles It's in front of a duplex.
• 1:26:32
  Ed Mireles You know, it wasn't, it wasn't the best.
• 1:26:36
  Ed Mireles It wasn't our choice.
• 1:26:38
  Ed Mireles You know, and I've been asking them, why,
• 1:26:39
  Ed Mireles why did you stop them there?
• 1:26:42
  Ed Mireles And I have to laugh at people.
• 1:26:44
  Ed Mireles You know, I tell people, I say, Hey, how
• 1:26:46
  Ed Mireles many types of car stops are there?
• 1:26:48
  Ed Mireles And I get all kinds of answers, high
• 1:26:50
  Ed Mireles risk, low risk, you
• 1:26:51
  Ed Mireles know, Bellamy, non-Bellamy.
• 1:26:53
  Ed Mireles I said, no, guys, there's
• 1:26:54
  Ed Mireles only two kinds of car stops.
• 1:26:56
  Ed Mireles There's a compliant car stop, which means
• 1:26:58
  Ed Mireles you pull over to the side
• 1:26:59
  Ed Mireles when you get pulled over.
• 1:27:00
  Ed Mireles And then there's a
• 1:27:01
  Ed Mireles non-compliant car stop.
• 1:27:03
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:27:04
  Ed Mireles Where you'd say, Hey, the heck with
• 1:27:05
  Ed Mireles it.
• 1:27:06
  Bill Erfurth So, Yeah.
• 1:27:07
  Bill Erfurth And like you have any
• 1:27:08
  Bill Erfurth luxury in that decision, right?
• 1:27:10
  Ed Mireles Exactly.
• 1:27:11
  Ed Mireles I don't care.
• 1:27:11
  Ed Mireles No.
• 1:27:12
  Ed Mireles Well, the bad guys get a choice too.
• 1:27:13
  Ed Mireles You know, that's people don't realize
• 1:27:14
  Ed Mireles that, you know, they,
• 1:27:15
  Ed Mireles they, they get a boat too.
• 1:27:17
  Ed Mireles And they said, no,
• 1:27:17
  Ed Mireles we're not going to stop.
• 1:27:18
  Ed Mireles So our idea was to stop them up against a
• 1:27:21
  Ed Mireles cement wall, which would have been
• 1:27:23
  Ed Mireles perfect because the backdrop would have
• 1:27:25
  Ed Mireles been a cement wall in
• 1:27:26
  Ed Mireles case there's a gunfight.
• 1:27:27
  Ed Mireles But they had a choice that they got a
• 1:27:30
  Ed Mireles boat and they said, no,
• 1:27:31
  Ed Mireles turn into a non-compliant stop.
• 1:27:33
  Ed Mireles So we ended up
• 1:27:33
  Ed Mireles crashing in front of a duplex.
• 1:27:36
  Ed Mireles I mean, with people in, in, inside, you
• 1:27:38
  Ed Mireles know, it was, it was just one of those
• 1:27:40
  Ed Mireles things, you know, so after we crashed
• 1:27:42
  Ed Mireles them, uh, was the beginning of a, about a
• 1:27:45
  Ed Mireles four and a half, five minute gunfight.
• 1:27:49
  Craig Floyd So, so Four and five
• 1:27:50
  Craig Floyd rounds were fired, as I recall.
• 1:27:52
  Craig Floyd Is that right?
• 1:27:54
  Ed Mireles Say that again, Craig.
• 1:27:55
  Craig Floyd 145 rounds fired during this exchange.
• 1:28:00
  Ed Mireles There, it's an estimate
• 1:28:01
  Ed Mireles between 140 and 150 rounds.
• 1:28:04
  Ed Mireles And, and people said, well,
• 1:28:05
  Ed Mireles how can that be an estimate?
• 1:28:06
  Ed Mireles You know, well, let
• 1:28:07
  Ed Mireles me give you an example.
• 1:28:09
  Ed Mireles Uh, Ron Reisner, uh, he had a,
• 1:28:12
  Ed Mireles uh, a nine millimeter pistol.
• 1:28:14
  Ed Mireles He fired 15 rounds from one magazine and
• 1:28:18
  Ed Mireles he fired half of a second magazine.
• 1:28:21
  Ed Mireles He fired seven rounds.
• 1:28:23
  Ed Mireles So that is 22 shell casings that should
• 1:28:26
  Ed Mireles have been on the ground
• 1:28:28
  Ed Mireles from his pistol alone.
• 1:28:30
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:28:30
  Ed Mireles What happened was when the, uh, after the
• 1:28:33
  Ed Mireles gunfight was over, they brought in a, uh,
• 1:28:35
  Ed Mireles Medivac helicopter landed right in the
• 1:28:38
  Ed Mireles middle of the, of the crime scene.
• 1:28:40
  Ed Mireles And you know how helicopters are.
• 1:28:42
  Ed Mireles They just, the downdraft just
• 1:28:43
  Ed Mireles blows stuff all over the place.
• 1:28:45
  Ed Mireles So they only found,
• 1:28:47
  Ed Mireles uh, Ron fired 22 shots.
• 1:28:50
  Ed Mireles They only found seven
• 1:28:51
  Ed Mireles of his shell casings.
• 1:28:53
  Ed Mireles So there were shell casings missing all
• 1:28:56
  Ed Mireles over the place, you know?
• 1:28:56
  Ed Mireles So, so that's why it's estimated that the
• 1:28:59
  Ed Mireles rounds fired were
• 1:29:00
  Ed Mireles between 140 and 150 rounds.
• 1:29:04
  Bill Erfurth So, so, you know, there were a lot of,
• 1:29:06
  Bill Erfurth yeah, there were a lot of really
• 1:29:08
  Bill Erfurth unfortunate circumstances or, or errors
• 1:29:13
  Bill Erfurth that came along with this.
• 1:29:14
  Bill Erfurth And I think it's interesting to note for
• 1:29:16
  Bill Erfurth people that aren't familiar with this
• 1:29:18
  Bill Erfurth story is so, you know, there were several
• 1:29:20
  Bill Erfurth different collisions along the way till
• 1:29:22
  Bill Erfurth you finally were able to trap their
• 1:29:24
  Bill Erfurth vehicle and immobilize them.
• 1:29:26
  Bill Erfurth And in, and in one of the, uh, impacts a
• 1:29:31
  Bill Erfurth couple of the FBI agents guns that, uh,
• 1:29:36
  Bill Erfurth were lying on the seat, they ended up
• 1:29:39
  Bill Erfurth going out the door or they ended up on
• 1:29:41
  Bill Erfurth the floorboard and they didn't even have
• 1:29:44
  Bill Erfurth access to those weapons.
• 1:29:47
  Bill Erfurth And so that kind of puts you guys a
• 1:29:49
  Bill Erfurth little bit at a disadvantage.
• 1:29:52
  Bill Erfurth You know, interestingly enough, and we're
• 1:29:53
  Bill Erfurth going to get into this a little bit more,
• 1:29:55
  Bill Erfurth as you mentioned, one of the agents had a
• 1:29:56
  Bill Erfurth nine millimeter pistol, but some of the
• 1:29:58
  Bill Erfurth agents were only armed with 38 revolvers
• 1:30:02
  Bill Erfurth or perhaps a shotgun or two.
• 1:30:05
  Bill Erfurth And this is an interesting thing because
• 1:30:07
  Bill Erfurth this was the 1980s in Miami, the infamous
• 1:30:12
  Bill Erfurth 1980s in Miami of the cocaine cowboy era.
• 1:30:17
  Bill Erfurth There were people running around Mary
• 1:30:19
  Bill Erfurth Alito Cubans, the Colombian cartels.
• 1:30:23
  Bill Erfurth There were, there were six to 10 murders
• 1:30:27
  Bill Erfurth happening every day to the point that
• 1:30:31
  Bill Erfurth there were so many murders, the Dade
• 1:30:34
  Bill Erfurth County medical examiner's office couldn't
• 1:30:37
  Bill Erfurth keep the bodies and they went to the
• 1:30:39
  Bill Erfurth Burger King headquarters in Miami and
• 1:30:43
  Bill Erfurth rented out refrigeration trucks just to
• 1:30:46
  Bill Erfurth stack and store the dead bodies.
• 1:30:49
  Bill Erfurth So this is the timeframe of
• 1:30:52
  Bill Erfurth when your incident happened.
• 1:30:54
  Bill Erfurth And I know that one of the bad guys had a
• 1:30:58
  Bill Erfurth rifle or a weapon, but your story and
• 1:31:03
  Bill Erfurth this situation in many ways transformed
• 1:31:08
  Bill Erfurth law enforcement and how they
• 1:31:10
  Bill Erfurth thought of arming themselves.
• 1:31:14
  Bill Erfurth And so let's get into that
• 1:31:15
  Bill Erfurth whole shootout mindset scenario.
• 1:31:19
  Bill Erfurth You're shooting, they're shooting, talk
• 1:31:22
  Bill Erfurth about the exchange of gunfire and how you
• 1:31:25
  Bill Erfurth guys were in fact outgunned until finally
• 1:31:28
  Bill Erfurth the bad guys were killed.
• 1:31:31
  Ed Mireles You know, you bring up, you set the stage
• 1:31:34
  Ed Mireles perfectly for what happened.
• 1:31:37
  Ed Mireles You know, I've been asked that question
• 1:31:39
  Ed Mireles many times, you know, why
• 1:31:40
  Ed Mireles weren't you better armed?
• 1:31:42
  Ed Mireles You know, and I'm thinking,
• 1:31:42
  Ed Mireles what are you talking about?
• 1:31:44
  Ed Mireles Why wasn't I better armed?
• 1:31:45
  Ed Mireles You know, so well, you should have had
• 1:31:46
  Ed Mireles better guns and said, well, no kidding,
• 1:31:48
  Ed Mireles you know, you're
• 1:31:50
  Ed Mireles preaching to the choir here.
• 1:31:51
  Ed Mireles But then I turned the table on them and
• 1:31:53
  Ed Mireles say, okay, if you have a choice between
• 1:31:56
  Ed Mireles carrying, you know, something that you
• 1:31:58
  Ed Mireles want to carry and simply put an
• 1:32:02
  Ed Mireles unauthorized weapon,
• 1:32:04
  Ed Mireles okay, are you going to carry that
• 1:32:06
  Ed Mireles unauthorized weapon or unauthorized
• 1:32:09
  Ed Mireles ammunition and then run the risk of being
• 1:32:12
  Ed Mireles fired and or prosecuted by your agency?
• 1:32:16
  Ed Mireles And they go, well, what
• 1:32:17
  Ed Mireles are you talking about?
• 1:32:17
  Ed Mireles Say, hey, police officers, law
• 1:32:20
  Ed Mireles enforcement officers are only allowed to
• 1:32:23
  Ed Mireles carry what their departments issue them.
• 1:32:27
  Ed Mireles Okay, I can't run out and buy a 44
• 1:32:29
  Ed Mireles Magnum, you know, on my
• 1:32:30
  Ed Mireles own and carry it on duty.
• 1:32:32
  Ed Mireles I mean, if it's not an authorized weapon,
• 1:32:34
  Ed Mireles then I'm in violation of
• 1:32:35
  Ed Mireles the rules and regulations.
• 1:32:37
  Ed Mireles So, you know, that kind of puts them, you
• 1:32:39
  Ed Mireles know, brings them back in line, brings
• 1:32:41
  Ed Mireles them back to reality.
• 1:32:42
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:32:43
  Ed Mireles So I have to remind remind people that,
• 1:32:45
  Ed Mireles hey, and as you said, in the 1980s,
• 1:32:48
  Ed Mireles police officers, agents were the only
• 1:32:51
  Ed Mireles authorized weapons we were we were
• 1:32:53
  Ed Mireles allowed to have were six shot revolvers.
• 1:32:55
  Ed Mireles That's it.
• 1:32:57
  Ed Mireles And we weren't even
• 1:32:58
  Ed Mireles allowed to carry rifles.
• 1:33:00
  Ed Mireles At least in the cities, the agents out
• 1:33:03
  Ed Mireles West working the reservations out in
• 1:33:05
  Ed Mireles Idaho and Montana, they
• 1:33:06
  Ed Mireles could carry 308 rifles.
• 1:33:09
  Ed Mireles Okay, but I was allowed
• 1:33:10
  Ed Mireles to carry only a shotgun.
• 1:33:12
  Ed Mireles So I was armed with my
• 1:33:13
  Ed Mireles shotgun and my 38 revolver.
• 1:33:16
  Ed Mireles That's it.
• 1:33:17
  Ed Mireles I mean, that was that
• 1:33:18
  Ed Mireles was the order of the day.
• 1:33:20
  Ed Mireles Unfortunately, we came up and you
• 1:33:23
  Ed Mireles mentioned, you know, these guys's
• 1:33:25
  Ed Mireles background, I think, I think it may have
• 1:33:27
  Ed Mireles been Craig, you cannot overlook the fact
• 1:33:32
  Ed Mireles that plant maddox were army trained.
• 1:33:37
  Ed Mireles Okay, I mean, you know, when you look at
• 1:33:39
  Ed Mireles our our military forces today, they're
• 1:33:42
  Ed Mireles the best in the world.
• 1:33:44
  Ed Mireles Some of the best troops in the world are
• 1:33:46
  Ed Mireles the 82nd airborne and the 101st airborne.
• 1:33:50
  Ed Mireles Okay, and then there's Navy SEALs and
• 1:33:51
  Ed Mireles Delta forces and so on and so forth.
• 1:33:54
  Ed Mireles But by and large, as a unit, the 82nd
• 1:33:58
  Ed Mireles 101st airborne are some of the best
• 1:34:01
  Ed Mireles troops in the world.
• 1:34:02
  Ed Mireles They're highly, highly trained.
• 1:34:05
  Ed Mireles Okay, and all sorts of weapons, you know,
• 1:34:07
  Ed Mireles and so on and so forth.
• 1:34:08
  Ed Mireles That's what these two guys
• 1:34:09
  Ed Mireles platin maddox had as background.
• 1:34:12
  Ed Mireles They were 101st airborne.
• 1:34:14
  Ed Mireles Okay, now they may have only been
• 1:34:16
  Ed Mireles military police in the airborne, but they
• 1:34:19
  Ed Mireles were still airborne.
• 1:34:20
  Ed Mireles Okay, so they were highly trained.
• 1:34:24
  Ed Mireles And as we found out during the shootout,
• 1:34:27
  Ed Mireles they were highly
• 1:34:28
  Ed Mireles trained and heavily armed.
• 1:34:29
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:34:31
  Ed Mireles So Platt had the 30 round
• 1:34:34
  Ed Mireles magazine in an assault rifle.
• 1:34:38
  Ed Mireles It's an assault style rifle.
• 1:34:41
  Ed Mireles And his partner had a 12 gauge shotgun.
• 1:34:43
  Ed Mireles So that rifle tipped
• 1:34:48
  Ed Mireles the balance towards them.
• 1:34:50
  Ed Mireles I mean, there were eight eight FBI agents
• 1:34:52
  Ed Mireles against two bank robbers.
• 1:34:54
  Ed Mireles But that rifle evened the odds because
• 1:34:57
  Ed Mireles that rifle, you know, had more more
• 1:34:59
  Ed Mireles rounds in one magazine, I had six rounds
• 1:35:02
  Ed Mireles in my, my six shot revolver.
• 1:35:04
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:35:05
  Ed Mireles So if I had to fire 30 rounds, I would
• 1:35:08
  Ed Mireles have to reload five
• 1:35:09
  Ed Mireles times to fire 30 rounds.
• 1:35:12
  Ed Mireles He just had to keep pulling the trigger
• 1:35:13
  Ed Mireles firing, firing 30 rounds.
• 1:35:16
  Ed Mireles And he had at the end of the gunfight, he
• 1:35:19
  Ed Mireles had had an evidence bag that
• 1:35:21
  Ed Mireles was found in in one of the cars.
• 1:35:25
  Ed Mireles He had an additional four or five 30
• 1:35:27
  Ed Mireles round magazines in their equipment bag.
• 1:35:30
  Ed Mireles Thank God they didn't get to use those.
• 1:35:33
  Ed Mireles Okay, he only fired two two magazines.
• 1:35:36
  Ed Mireles Paul, he fired 60 rounds from
• 1:35:40
  Ed Mireles the from the from the rifle.
• 1:35:42
  Ed Mireles But you know, that that's, I mean, that's
• 1:35:44
  Ed Mireles a lot of rounds, you know, especially
• 1:35:46
  Ed Mireles when you're on the wrong end of them.
• 1:35:47
  Ed Mireles So but no, these guys were were highly
• 1:35:51
  Ed Mireles trained and heavily armed.
• 1:35:52
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:35:53
  Ed Mireles And one of the points I like to make in
• 1:35:57
  Ed Mireles my book is that there's,
• 1:35:59
  Ed Mireles there's two sides to survival.
• 1:36:02
  Ed Mireles There's a physical side.
• 1:36:04
  Ed Mireles That's the you know, the mechanics, you
• 1:36:06
  Ed Mireles know, cover concealment, maneuver,
• 1:36:08
  Ed Mireles flanking, and so on and so forth, you
• 1:36:10
  Ed Mireles know, shooting and stuff like that.
• 1:36:12
  Ed Mireles The other side of
• 1:36:13
  Ed Mireles survival is psychological.
• 1:36:14
  Ed Mireles Okay, do you have what it takes to to to
• 1:36:18
  Ed Mireles survive the stress or, you know, the, the
• 1:36:22
  Ed Mireles horror, I guess, of a gunfight.
• 1:36:26
  Ed Mireles And you know what, there's an amazing
• 1:36:29
  Ed Mireles amount of people that have no idea.
• 1:36:31
  Ed Mireles I mean, they have no idea whether they
• 1:36:33
  Ed Mireles could or couldn't do it.
• 1:36:34
  Ed Mireles We as law enforcement officers trained
• 1:36:35
  Ed Mireles trained for that every day.
• 1:36:37
  Ed Mireles It's a mindset that you have to have.
• 1:36:40
  Ed Mireles And these two guys had that mindset.
• 1:36:45
  Ed Mireles Okay, because they were well trained.
• 1:36:47
  Ed Mireles And they were well armed.
• 1:36:50
  Ed Mireles Okay, so and the military bearing, I
• 1:36:53
  Ed Mireles guess they had, they had
• 1:36:54
  Ed Mireles this military bearing that even
• 1:36:58
  Ed Mireles the Jose Cuyasso said, Hey, you know,
• 1:37:00
  Ed Mireles they looked like they were military, they
• 1:37:02
  Ed Mireles were they were very disciplined, very,
• 1:37:04
  Ed Mireles you know, focused on things, you know,
• 1:37:06
  Ed Mireles they didn't, you know, they didn't want
• 1:37:07
  Ed Mireles their eyes didn't wander around looking
• 1:37:09
  Ed Mireles for, you know, you know, not paying
• 1:37:11
  Ed Mireles attention to the topic.
• 1:37:13
  Ed Mireles So they were they were
• 1:37:15
  Ed Mireles tremendous adversaries.
• 1:37:17
  Ed Mireles I mean, if you're going to run across
• 1:37:18
  Ed Mireles somebody, that's that
• 1:37:21
  Ed Mireles you don't want to run.
• 1:37:22
  Ed Mireles If you want to meet somebody that you
• 1:37:24
  Ed Mireles don't want to meet those two guys, okay,
• 1:37:26
  Ed Mireles highly trained, heavily armed, highly
• 1:37:28
  Ed Mireles motivated guys, okay.
• 1:37:30
  Craig Floyd And that's what they were pointed.
• 1:37:32
  Craig Floyd You talk about their their emotional
• 1:37:35
  Craig Floyd state, their psychology of survival.
• 1:37:39
  Craig Floyd They were actually hit
• 1:37:41
  Craig Floyd early on in the gun battle.
• 1:37:43
  Craig Floyd Is that not true?
• 1:37:44
  Craig Floyd They were both wounded, and yet they
• 1:37:46
  Craig Floyd somehow miraculously, you know, revive
• 1:37:49
  Craig Floyd themselves and kept shooting.
• 1:37:52
  Ed Mireles Right.
• 1:37:53
  Ed Mireles The driver of the Monte Carlo who at that
• 1:37:56
  Ed Mireles time was Maddox, he was shot right away.
• 1:38:01
  Ed Mireles He was shot through the wrist,
• 1:38:04
  Ed Mireles the right wrist when he was aiming his
• 1:38:06
  Ed Mireles shotgun at Ben Grogan.
• 1:38:08
  Ed Mireles And then right immediately after that
• 1:38:11
  Ed Mireles little exchange, Gordon McNeil, the
• 1:38:13
  Ed Mireles supervisor shot him twice.
• 1:38:16
  Ed Mireles Once right here in the in the face.
• 1:38:20
  Ed Mireles Okay, and once right here in the in this
• 1:38:22
  Ed Mireles what they call the brachial plexus, the
• 1:38:25
  Ed Mireles shoulder area, it severed his
• 1:38:27
  Ed Mireles artery and and the his vein.
• 1:38:31
  Ed Mireles Forget what the mains are.
• 1:38:33
  Ed Mireles But not femoral.
• 1:38:35
  Ed Mireles The artery that controls brachial artery
• 1:38:39
  Ed Mireles and the brachial vein up here and the
• 1:38:42
  Ed Mireles brachial bundle, nerve bundle.
• 1:38:45
  Ed Mireles So basically, Gordon just this, this this
• 1:38:48
  Ed Mireles tool right here, this this
• 1:38:49
  Ed Mireles right arm just went down.
• 1:38:51
  Ed Mireles I mean, he severed it completely.
• 1:38:53
  Ed Mireles But I talked to a doctor and said, Hey,
• 1:38:55
  Ed Mireles this hit on a normal person, you get shot
• 1:38:58
  Ed Mireles in the face with a
• 1:38:58
  Ed Mireles with a bullet like this.
• 1:39:01
  Ed Mireles It'll knock you out.
• 1:39:03
  Ed Mireles Okay, I mean, it'll
• 1:39:04
  Ed Mireles knock you unconscious.
• 1:39:05
  Ed Mireles And depending in how long you're
• 1:39:08
  Ed Mireles unconscious depends on the individual.
• 1:39:10
  Ed Mireles If it was me, I'd probably be unconscious
• 1:39:12
  Ed Mireles for several minutes, you know, but he was
• 1:39:14
  Ed Mireles probably unconscious for only about, I
• 1:39:17
  Ed Mireles don't know, 20, 30 seconds before he
• 1:39:19
  Ed Mireles regained consciousness again.
• 1:39:21
  Ed Mireles And it's like, hey, he knew
• 1:39:22
  Ed Mireles he would, I'm speculating.
• 1:39:24
  Ed Mireles But he knew he was in trouble.
• 1:39:26
  Ed Mireles He knew he had to get out of the car.
• 1:39:28
  Ed Mireles And eventually he does on his own, you
• 1:39:31
  Ed Mireles know, volition, his own efforts, he gets
• 1:39:35
  Ed Mireles out of the stolen Monte Carlo gets out of
• 1:39:37
  Ed Mireles the car and goes over to hide behind some
• 1:39:42
  Ed Mireles of the civilian vehicles in the driveway.
• 1:39:45
  Ed Mireles Okay, and eventually he makes it to Ben
• 1:39:47
  Ed Mireles Grogan's car to try to escape.
• 1:39:49
  Ed Mireles So yeah, they were highly motivated.
• 1:39:51
  Ed Mireles Absolutely.
• 1:39:52
  Ed Mireles And then getting back to the plant.
• 1:39:54
  Ed Mireles He was shot.
• 1:39:55
  Ed Mireles The very first hit he got was through his
• 1:40:01
  Ed Mireles right arm, it severed
• 1:40:02
  Ed Mireles his brachial artery.
• 1:40:04
  Ed Mireles And the round hit the side of his chest,
• 1:40:07
  Ed Mireles his right side of his chest, the round
• 1:40:10
  Ed Mireles penetrated his right lung.
• 1:40:12
  Ed Mireles And it stopped about an
• 1:40:14
  Ed Mireles inch short of his heart.
• 1:40:17
  Ed Mireles Excuse me.
• 1:40:20
  Ed Mireles I talked to a doctor about that.
• 1:40:22
  Ed Mireles And that doctor said that it was a non
• 1:40:25
  Ed Mireles survivable hit that he took.
• 1:40:27
  Ed Mireles And that hit was put
• 1:40:28
  Ed Mireles on him by Jerry Dove.
• 1:40:30
  Ed Mireles Like the first hit he got the first hit
• 1:40:34
  Ed Mireles plant received was a non survivable hit.
• 1:40:36
  Ed Mireles He was basically a walking dead man.
• 1:40:40
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:40:41
  Ed Mireles Unfortunately, he went on, he survived
• 1:40:43
  Ed Mireles another two three minutes.
• 1:40:44
  Ed Mireles And in that timeframe, he kept fighting
• 1:40:46
  Ed Mireles and fighting and
• 1:40:47
  Ed Mireles fighting trying to escape.
• 1:40:49
  Ed Mireles And he goes on to injure more agents and
• 1:40:51
  Ed Mireles he goes on to kill Ben and Jerry, you
• 1:40:54
  Ed Mireles know, as a result of that.
• 1:40:57
  Bill Erfurth So the question there would be, is there
• 1:41:00
  Bill Erfurth some kind of psychological thing was he
• 1:41:04
  Bill Erfurth just, or both of them rather, were they
• 1:41:06
  Bill Erfurth both flying high on adrenaline?
• 1:41:08
  Bill Erfurth And that's what kept them
• 1:41:11
  Bill Erfurth standing and returning fire.
• 1:41:14
  Bill Erfurth Or was there some kind of post autopsy
• 1:41:17
  Bill Erfurth toxicology report that they
• 1:41:19
  Bill Erfurth were full of dope or something?
• 1:41:21
  Ed Mireles When I lecture, when I teach classes, you
• 1:41:25
  Ed Mireles know, I always teach my audience, you
• 1:41:27
  Ed Mireles know, say, Hey, you know what, though?
• 1:41:28
  Ed Mireles I'm asked that same question, you know,
• 1:41:30
  Ed Mireles what, what, were they on drugs, you know,
• 1:41:31
  Ed Mireles were they on a math or coke or something?
• 1:41:34
  Ed Mireles And I said, no, you know, they, but they
• 1:41:37
  Ed Mireles did have coffee in their system.
• 1:41:39
  Ed Mireles You know, but I said it was Colombian
• 1:41:41
  Ed Mireles coffee, you know, so that was
• 1:41:45
  Bill Erfurth a copy of the, the decade there.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5 You know,
• 1:41:52
  Ed Mireles I shouldn't, I shouldn't, you know, tease
• 1:41:54
  Ed Mireles Columbia, they take too many hits as it
• 1:41:56
  Ed Mireles is, you know, because of all the drug
• 1:41:58
  Ed Mireles dealers, but no, they had
• 1:42:00
  Ed Mireles Danish coffee in their system.
• 1:42:02
  Ed Mireles That's all they had.
• 1:42:03
  Ed Mireles These guys were, were a fitness fanatics.
• 1:42:05
  Ed Mireles They were, I don't know, they weren't,
• 1:42:08
  Ed Mireles they weren't survivalists per se, but
• 1:42:11
  Ed Mireles they were survivalists before survivalist
• 1:42:13
  Ed Mireles or preppers were, was a thing.
• 1:42:16
  Dennis Collins Yeah.
• 1:42:17
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:42:17
  Ed Mireles They were, they didn't go to the gym, you
• 1:42:21
  Ed Mireles know, they occasionally would jog, but
• 1:42:24
  Ed Mireles they were very fit and very conscious
• 1:42:26
  Ed Mireles about their, their wellness and the way
• 1:42:29
  Ed Mireles they looked and the way
• 1:42:30
  Ed Mireles they presented themselves.
• 1:42:31
  Ed Mireles But getting back to the, the, the
• 1:42:33
  Ed Mireles psychological side of survival, I mean,
• 1:42:35
  Ed Mireles that, that comes from training.
• 1:42:38
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:42:39
  Ed Mireles I mean, granted, I mean,
• 1:42:41
  Ed Mireles I can't say that training is, is the
• 1:42:45
  Ed Mireles end all to end alls, because there are
• 1:42:48
  Ed Mireles some people out there that don't have any
• 1:42:49
  Ed Mireles training that want, that want, have a
• 1:42:51
  Ed Mireles strong will to survive.
• 1:42:52
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:42:53
  Ed Mireles So, but you, you, you combine a strong
• 1:42:56
  Ed Mireles personal will to survive
• 1:42:57
  Ed Mireles and couple it with training.
• 1:42:59
  Ed Mireles Oh my God.
• 1:43:00
  Ed Mireles I mean, you, you can build a, you know, I
• 1:43:03
  Ed Mireles mean, so many medal of honor winners, you
• 1:43:04
  Ed Mireles know, should have been dead, but they
• 1:43:06
  Ed Mireles kept functioning and
• 1:43:07
  Ed Mireles going and going and going.
• 1:43:09
  Craig Floyd And let me, let me just jump in because
• 1:43:12
  Craig Floyd when we talk about the psychology of
• 1:43:14
  Craig Floyd survival and how some people have it, and
• 1:43:17
  Craig Floyd maybe others don't, you obviously had
• 1:43:20
  Craig Floyd yourself because you
• 1:43:22
  Craig Floyd were severely injured.
• 1:43:24
  Craig Floyd You're, you're, I think you're non
• 1:43:26
  Craig Floyd shooting hand, your left hand, your left
• 1:43:28
  Craig Floyd arm was debilitated
• 1:43:31
  Craig Floyd early in the shootout.
• 1:43:33
  Craig Floyd And, and yet somehow you survived.
• 1:43:35
  Craig Floyd And as all the other agents, now we have
• 1:43:38
  Craig Floyd Ben Grogan dead, Jerry doves died.
• 1:43:41
  Craig Floyd You have four other agents who were
• 1:43:43
  Craig Floyd seriously injured by the gunfire.
• 1:43:46
  Craig Floyd And yet you ended, you found some will to
• 1:43:49
  Craig Floyd survive some ability to fire without
• 1:43:52
  Craig Floyd having the other hand usable.
• 1:43:55
  Craig Floyd And you ended the gun shootout.
• 1:43:59
  Craig Floyd Tell us what was going through your mind
• 1:44:01
  Craig Floyd at that point in time and how you
• 1:44:02
  Craig Floyd ultimately ended it.
• 1:44:05
  Ed Mireles Well, I have to be honest with the
• 1:44:07
  Ed Mireles listeners and the viewers, viewers, you
• 1:44:09
  Ed Mireles know, I mean, if I told you I wasn't
• 1:44:11
  Ed Mireles scared, I would be a liar, you know, so,
• 1:44:15
  Ed Mireles but
• 1:44:18
  Ed Mireles fear is not, I mean, fear is
• 1:44:19
  Ed Mireles not, what did churches say?
• 1:44:24
  Ed Mireles The only thing we have
• 1:44:25
  Ed Mireles to fear is fear itself.
• 1:44:27
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:44:28
  Ed Mireles And you have to acknowledge fear.
• 1:44:30
  Ed Mireles I mean, everybody gets fearful or
• 1:44:32
  Ed Mireles apprehensive or some,
• 1:44:33
  Ed Mireles some level of anxiety.
• 1:44:36
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:44:37
  Ed Mireles And I was, I started
• 1:44:39
  Ed Mireles going through certain stages.
• 1:44:40
  Ed Mireles I became, when the surveillance started,
• 1:44:43
  Ed Mireles you know, and, and this attention, all
• 1:44:44
  Ed Mireles units were behind the stolen Monte Carlo.
• 1:44:46
  Ed Mireles I got apprehensive.
• 1:44:47
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:44:48
  Ed Mireles When we started doing the bumper cars, I
• 1:44:51
  Ed Mireles became a little fearful because I'm
• 1:44:53
  Ed Mireles thinking, okay, you know, I don't know
• 1:44:55
  Ed Mireles how this is going to end up, you know, or
• 1:44:57
  Ed Mireles where we're going to end up.
• 1:44:58
  Ed Mireles But, and I was still fearful when the
• 1:45:00
  Ed Mireles bullets were flying, because
• 1:45:01
  Ed Mireles I ended up across the street.
• 1:45:04
  Ed Mireles I had to cross like 50 yards of open
• 1:45:07
  Ed Mireles space to get to, to get to where the
• 1:45:10
  Ed Mireles subjects were because I had a shotgun and
• 1:45:14
  Ed Mireles the effective range of a shotgun on paper
• 1:45:17
  Ed Mireles might be 50 to 75 yards.
• 1:45:19
  Ed Mireles But in reality, if you want to be
• 1:45:21
  Ed Mireles effective against a human target, you,
• 1:45:23
  Ed Mireles you got to be closer.
• 1:45:25
  Ed Mireles So I figured, Hey, I got to get closer to
• 1:45:27
  Ed Mireles these guys, 25 yards and then.
• 1:45:29
  Ed Mireles So I ran across the street and the
• 1:45:31
  Ed Mireles bullets are whizzing by me.
• 1:45:33
  Ed Mireles I mean, it's, again, Churchill said,
• 1:45:35
  Ed Mireles there's nothing more exhilarating than
• 1:45:37
  Ed Mireles hearing a bullet pass you by, you know,
• 1:45:40
  Ed Mireles as long as the bullet
• 1:45:41
  Ed Mireles doesn't hit you, you're okay.
• 1:45:44
  Ed Mireles But when I, this is a fantastic event.
• 1:45:49
  Ed Mireles I was shot by a two to three caliber or
• 1:45:56
  Ed Mireles five, five, four and five, six caliber,
• 1:45:58
  Ed Mireles five, four and five, six millimeter.
• 1:46:01
  Ed Mireles The round hit me right here, right where
• 1:46:05
  Ed Mireles my little finger is.
• 1:46:06
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:46:07
  Ed Mireles And
• 1:46:09
  Ed Mireles if you look at the way I am on the video
• 1:46:11
  Ed Mireles right now, if I had not hit my arm up in
• 1:46:14
  Ed Mireles this position as I'm running across the
• 1:46:16
  Ed Mireles street, I brought my, my shotgun up
• 1:46:18
  Ed Mireles because I had my muzzle pointing at
• 1:46:21
  Ed Mireles Gordon McNeil and my supervisor's back.
• 1:46:23
  Ed Mireles And I'm thinking, Oh my God,
• 1:46:25
  Ed Mireles I got to worry about safety.
• 1:46:27
  Ed Mireles So I brought the weapon up like this.
• 1:46:29
  Ed Mireles And that's when I got shot.
• 1:46:31
  Ed Mireles Okay, right here.
• 1:46:32
  Ed Mireles So imagine if the arm hadn't been there.
• 1:46:34
  Ed Mireles Okay, where would that round have hit me?
• 1:46:37
  Ed Mireles It would have been a whole
• 1:46:37
  Ed Mireles different, you know, story,
• 1:46:40
  Ed Mireles but not only am I lucky, I'm lucky like
• 1:46:43
  Ed Mireles eight times over, you know, like a cat.
• 1:46:47
  Ed Mireles I mean, it was an amazing physiological
• 1:46:51
  Ed Mireles reaction, because when I took the hit,
• 1:46:54
  Ed Mireles okay, that round almost
• 1:46:57
  Ed Mireles ripped my forearm off my body.
• 1:47:01
  Ed Mireles The only thing holding my arm to my body
• 1:47:03
  Ed Mireles was this bottom section of meat, the
• 1:47:08
  Ed Mireles muscles down here, and my forearm, my arm
• 1:47:11
  Ed Mireles was just completely destroyed.
• 1:47:13
  Ed Mireles And the only thing holding it up, you
• 1:47:16
  Ed Mireles know, holding it
• 1:47:16
  Ed Mireles attached to me was this part.
• 1:47:19
  Ed Mireles So here's, here's the
• 1:47:21
  Ed Mireles good, the good part.
• 1:47:23
  Ed Mireles When I took the hit, I had no idea.
• 1:47:28
  Ed Mireles People have asked me, Hey,
• 1:47:29
  Ed Mireles what's it feel like to get shot?
• 1:47:30
  Ed Mireles And I look at him and I look him right in
• 1:47:32
  Ed Mireles the eyes, I don't know.
• 1:47:35
  Ed Mireles You know, and they look at me like I've
• 1:47:36
  Ed Mireles got two heads, you know, say, what, what
• 1:47:38
  Ed Mireles are you talking about, dude?
• 1:47:40
  Ed Mireles I said, Well, you know
• 1:47:41
  Ed Mireles what, I mean, I was shot.
• 1:47:42
  Ed Mireles Yes, when I didn't know I was shot until
• 1:47:44
  Ed Mireles several minutes after
• 1:47:46
  Ed Mireles the fact that I was shot.
• 1:47:48
  Ed Mireles Okay, because this was so the human body
• 1:47:51
  Ed Mireles is such a fantastic machine.
• 1:47:54
  Ed Mireles Okay, I this, the bullet almost ripped my
• 1:47:59
  Ed Mireles my hand off my body, felt
• 1:48:01
  Ed Mireles no pain, none whatsoever.
• 1:48:04
  Ed Mireles Okay, I mean, I fell back
• 1:48:07
  Ed Mireles the physiological
• 1:48:09
  Ed Mireles reaction caused me to jerk back.
• 1:48:12
  Ed Mireles I was on my back, but I
• 1:48:14
  Ed Mireles had no idea what happened.
• 1:48:15
  Ed Mireles And I didn't even know I've been shot for
• 1:48:18
  Ed Mireles about a minute afterwards.
• 1:48:19
  Ed Mireles I had the shotgun in
• 1:48:21
  Ed Mireles my right hand like this.
• 1:48:22
  Ed Mireles And I'm trying to get up using my left
• 1:48:24
  Ed Mireles arm to push myself up because shooting
• 1:48:27
  Ed Mireles the shooting was still going on bullets
• 1:48:29
  Ed Mireles are still flying over my head.
• 1:48:31
  Ed Mireles And I'm thinking, hey, I need to get into
• 1:48:32
  Ed Mireles this, you know, need
• 1:48:34
  Ed Mireles to get into this action.
• 1:48:36
  Ed Mireles And to say that I was not, I wasn't
• 1:48:42
  Ed Mireles normal at that point in time, because,
• 1:48:44
  Ed Mireles you know, my physiological state, after I
• 1:48:50
  Ed Mireles got hit, my body kind of went into like,
• 1:48:52
  Ed Mireles into a different mode,
• 1:48:54
  Ed Mireles went to survival mode.
• 1:48:55
  Ed Mireles I mean, I, my, I got tunnel vision, my
• 1:48:58
  Ed Mireles hearing was lost, you know, and you know,
• 1:49:00
  Ed Mireles I was just like walking in slow motion or
• 1:49:02
  Ed Mireles moving in slow motion, it
• 1:49:03
  Ed Mireles was just kind of strange.
• 1:49:05
  Ed Mireles But it wasn't until about a minute, after
• 1:49:10
  Ed Mireles I was shot, I'm thinking,
• 1:49:11
  Ed Mireles why is my left arm not working?
• 1:49:14
  Ed Mireles And I'm scanning for threats, I'm looking
• 1:49:16
  Ed Mireles up because I'm on my back.
• 1:49:18
  Ed Mireles And I had to rip my eyes off the thread
• 1:49:20
  Ed Mireles points, to look down at my arm to see
• 1:49:23
  Ed Mireles what the what's going on here.
• 1:49:24
  Ed Mireles It wasn't until I looked and made a
• 1:49:26
  Ed Mireles visual inspection of my body, that I
• 1:49:29
  Ed Mireles realized that had been shot.
• 1:49:31
  Ed Mireles Now at that point, you know, you're
• 1:49:32
  Ed Mireles apprehensive, and you're fearful.
• 1:49:35
  Ed Mireles Being honest with the audience here, when
• 1:49:38
  Ed Mireles I saw that I'd been shot, and I saw that
• 1:49:40
  Ed Mireles my arm had all had practically been
• 1:49:42
  Ed Mireles ripped off my body, I went into terror.
• 1:49:45
  Ed Mireles I was terrified.
• 1:49:46
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:49:48
  Ed Mireles But I had to maintain the discipline.
• 1:49:50
  Ed Mireles Okay, the discipline, you know, state of
• 1:49:53
  Ed Mireles mind, you know,
• 1:49:53
  Ed Mireles think, hey, okay, it's bad.
• 1:49:56
  Ed Mireles You're still alive, you're still
• 1:49:58
  Ed Mireles breathing, you feel no pain.
• 1:50:00
  Ed Mireles And I'm looking at it.
• 1:50:02
  Ed Mireles I at the time, I had a lot of first aid
• 1:50:05
  Ed Mireles classes in the military and in the FBI,
• 1:50:07
  Ed Mireles I'm looking at it, I'm assessing, I'm
• 1:50:09
  Ed Mireles thinking, Hey, this is survivable.
• 1:50:11
  Ed Mireles Okay, you have several minutes before you
• 1:50:15
  Ed Mireles again, it's all up here.
• 1:50:17
  Ed Mireles Okay.
• 1:50:18
  Ed Mireles I said to us, I have several minutes
• 1:50:21
  Ed Mireles before I get to a point
• 1:50:23
  Ed Mireles where it becomes a threat.
• 1:50:25
  Ed Mireles So I just ignored it.
• 1:50:26
  Ed Mireles Again, there's no pain.
• 1:50:27
  Ed Mireles So and I focused on the gunfight itself,
• 1:50:29
  Ed Mireles looking for the rest,
• 1:50:30
  Ed Mireles looking for threats.
• 1:50:31
  Ed Mireles And then I realized,
• 1:50:34
  Ed Mireles I tell people it gets better.
• 1:50:36
  Ed Mireles I realized, I saw movement out of the
• 1:50:39
  Ed Mireles corner of my eye, I'm
• 1:50:40
  Ed Mireles thinking, what the heck is that?
• 1:50:41
  Ed Mireles I looked up and I saw red, red spray,
• 1:50:44
  Ed Mireles spraying up, you know, past my feet.
• 1:50:49
  Ed Mireles You know, I'm thinking,
• 1:50:50
  Ed Mireles what the heck is that?
• 1:50:51
  Ed Mireles I looked up and I'm
• 1:50:52
  Ed Mireles thinking, Oh my God, it's blood.
• 1:50:53
  Ed Mireles So I had, I had taken a second hit right
• 1:50:56
  Ed Mireles here across the temple area this way.
• 1:50:59
  Ed Mireles It's it.
• 1:51:00
  Ed Mireles Luckily, it didn't, you know, break my
• 1:51:02
  Ed Mireles head, you know, but it just went
• 1:51:03
  Ed Mireles underneath the skin, severed the temporal
• 1:51:06
  Ed Mireles artery, and kind of kept going.
• 1:51:09
  Ed Mireles So I'm thinking, okay, I've got arterial
• 1:51:10
  Ed Mireles bleeding, you know, so I put my hand up
• 1:51:12
  Ed Mireles like this, thinking, okay, and
• 1:51:14
  Ed Mireles unbeknownst to me, you know, when I was
• 1:51:15
  Ed Mireles doing this, I was compressing the wound.
• 1:51:19
  Ed Mireles And this flap of skin that was there,
• 1:51:22
  Ed Mireles pressed on the artery, artery and
• 1:51:24
  Ed Mireles prevented it from
• 1:51:25
  Ed Mireles from squirting blood out.
• 1:51:27
  Ed Mireles It's still still bled,
• 1:51:28
  Ed Mireles but it wasn't squirting.
• 1:51:30
  Ed Mireles So I totally ignored that.
• 1:51:32
  Ed Mireles I mean, I wasn't fearful at that point in
• 1:51:34
  Ed Mireles time, because I was trying to survive and
• 1:51:35
  Ed Mireles thinking, Hey, this is all survivable.
• 1:51:38
  Ed Mireles I mean, I don't