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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, February 13 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: I'm a lover, gotta fighter. Welcome in Jaguars Happy Hour
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Speaker 1: JP Shadrick Jeff Lagaman reporting for duty in Jacksonville. Tony
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Speaker 1: Vaselli is in the Great White North Minnesota. What's up, Tony?
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Speaker 1: What's up? Boys? Where you're in Minneapolis? Yeah, just outside
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Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. So today loves what's the temperature here? About
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Speaker 1: eight four Tony? What's the temperature of Minneapolis? Well, I
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Speaker 1: woke up this morning and it was minus fourteen and
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Speaker 1: it really warmed up though, it's up to minus two.
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Speaker 1: I got my mom, mom's side of family. Tony is
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Speaker 1: not far from where you are, in the great state
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Speaker 1: of North Dakota, and so I got some cousins that
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Speaker 1: are are scoutter around the state of North Dakota, and
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Speaker 1: a couple of them were putting out some information on
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Speaker 1: Facebook today and yesterday that it was minus forty three
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Speaker 1: there yesterday. You can have it. That'll wake you up.
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Speaker 1: It's the great equalizer. Nobody has an advantage when it's
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Speaker 1: that cold. I've I've lived it before. My beautiful, beautiful
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Speaker 1: area to be in in the summertime, but in the
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Speaker 1: wintertime run. Here's what we're getting to in the program
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Speaker 1: you know, hold on before you get to what we're
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Speaker 1: gonna get to. Hold on, Jeff, you say that, like so,
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Speaker 1: I had a meeting. I met with this individual today
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Speaker 1: in their favorite time of year is winter in Minnesota
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Speaker 1: because they love snowbilling. I love snowbiling, they love ice fishing,
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Speaker 1: they love lighting the fire in their house, and like
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Speaker 1: a it's like everything with winter. And their comment was,
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Speaker 1: you can you always put more clothes on to stay warm.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you can't take enough clothes off to cool down. Tony.
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Speaker 1: You know I'm an outdoorsman, right, okay, And you're a
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Speaker 1: bit of an outdoorsman. You like to fish a little bit? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: what would you rather do? Jet ski or snowbill or
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Speaker 1: just heat fish casting to different places on a boat
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Speaker 1: wearing short sleeve shirts and flipflaps, or staring at a
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Speaker 1: little hole in a tent that's got a little heat
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Speaker 1: or no. But these people are serious of It's not
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Speaker 1: just a little tense. Talk to this guy. He's taking
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Speaker 1: his two daughters with his buddies, and his buddies two
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Speaker 1: daughters like an hour and a half north and they
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Speaker 1: rent they build houses three miles out on this lake
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Speaker 1: and on this house has heating stove like cooking, and
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Speaker 1: they will spend a week out there, three miles out
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Speaker 1: of this lake, eating and hanging out and fishing all day. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that sounds I'll think. Is the ice of these lakes.
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Speaker 1: I don't even questions. I remember as a kid and
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Speaker 1: my grandfather lived and family lived in a little town
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Speaker 1: called Langdon, North Dakota's kind of sidebar thing here, and
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Speaker 1: so in the wintertime, I mean, the only thing you
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Speaker 1: could do is you have to have toys. I mean,
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Speaker 1: as a as a teenage kid. Well, my cousin Dan,
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Speaker 1: who was like the scourge of Langdon because he was
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Speaker 1: always getting in trouble because that's what he did. And
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Speaker 1: we went to snowmobiling on a frozen lake one time
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Speaker 1: and it was one of the greatest experiences ever in
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Speaker 1: my life. And it was great, but I don't care
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Speaker 1: to go back and do it again. This is the
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Speaker 1: early edition, early edition of The Outdoor Show this week
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Speaker 1: right here. I'll tell you so I learned this too, Jeff.
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Speaker 1: So up here there's like like huge fines because what
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Speaker 1: happens is the rule is twelve inches of ice or
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Speaker 1: more can hold the pickup truck you get under that
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Speaker 1: you start getting a little bit, you know, um if
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Speaker 1: and what and by I think it's January February March one.
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Speaker 1: The Forest and Wildlife whatever the organization is called. You
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Speaker 1: no longer allowed to have houses permanent house structures on
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Speaker 1: the lakes. You can still drive out there, yeah, because
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Speaker 1: I fear of falling, but you can still drive out there. However,
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Speaker 1: if you drive out on this lake and you your
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Speaker 1: truck falls in, or if you have a permanent structure
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Speaker 1: that goes into the water, the minimum fine is like
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Speaker 1: twenty dollars and you have to pay to get it
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Speaker 1: all out. It's fair to get off. And so just
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Speaker 1: buddy of mine, the guy I was talking to you, said,
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Speaker 1: I go, how how often does this happen? He says,
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Speaker 1: every year, two or three guys. Because they have to
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Speaker 1: be the first ones out there. We'll go out there
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Speaker 1: early before the lake is thick enough, and they'll get
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Speaker 1: out there in their trucks and the trucks will go
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Speaker 1: down to the bottom of the lake and then they
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Speaker 1: have to pay divers. I mean, you gotta get the
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Speaker 1: good fish. They're all. What they're trying to do is
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Speaker 1: they're trying to say the honey Hoole fishing spot trying
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Speaker 1: to lake claim to that. I will tell you one
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Speaker 1: last story about Lane in Or Dakota, when I was
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Speaker 1: a kid and went up there at that same time.
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Speaker 1: I'll never forget my cousin Dan let me have the
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Speaker 1: snow and Bill for a couple of days. And uh
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Speaker 1: so I decided I go out and ride around. And
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Speaker 1: I did, and I had goggles. Well, the goggles kept
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Speaker 1: fogging up because it was so cold. So I just said,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not gonna wear the goggles. I
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Speaker 1: just put the goggles up on the helmet. I did
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Speaker 1: have a helmet, and I started driving the snow Bill
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Speaker 1: and he started going a little bit fast. Well, once
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Speaker 1: you start going a little bit fast, I blinked my
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Speaker 1: eyes and then I couldn't open them. My my eyelashes, yes,
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Speaker 1: my tears from my eyes froze my eyelashes together, and
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Speaker 1: I had to slam the brakes on and stop and
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Speaker 1: chip the ice off of my eyelashes so I could
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Speaker 1: see again. And and so then anyway, finished the day
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Speaker 1: up finished. Ride could only go so fast because if
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Speaker 1: you went fast, my eyes fro shut. Couldn't wear the
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Speaker 1: goggles because they freeze up, and then I go back
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Speaker 1: to my grandfather and my mom sees me come in.
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Speaker 1: She's where in the world have you been. I said,
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Speaker 1: I've been rounding the snow andbell. She don't you know
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Speaker 1: how cold it is? Like, No, Mom, wasn't that bad.
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Speaker 1: I got to take my jacket off, and I had
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Speaker 1: one of those nineteen seventies collars, you know, in a
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Speaker 1: winter jacket that had buttons up here on the neck,
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Speaker 1: and it looked like I had two hickeies for most
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Speaker 1: of my teenage years because the buttons froze to my neck.
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Speaker 1: Had to get water and poured on the buttons to
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Speaker 1: get the metal off of my neck. That's how you
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Speaker 1: know in the front page of the paper the next day,
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Speaker 1: new Record still got the newspaper to this day new
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Speaker 1: Record minus one. That was the uh, the far Ago
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Speaker 1: Dispatch or whatever was minus one hundred degrees. Yeah, you
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Speaker 1: probably should not have been out for more stories. Yes,
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Speaker 1: more stories like this Saturday morning on tint Nextel the
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Speaker 1: Outdoors Show, here's what's coming up with the program today.
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Speaker 1: Quarterback coach hired Ben McAdoo. We'll discuss that hiring for
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars offense, and they're in the prices us of
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Speaker 1: building this offense? He and j Gruden? How does that work?
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Speaker 1: We'll get these guys thoughts on that quarterback talk is
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Speaker 1: always defensive decisions are looming, and we'll go around the
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Speaker 1: National Football League as well. It's what's coming up. Joking
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Speaker 1: around there about some of the cold weather, but seriously,
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Speaker 1: how that relates to this organization in this football team.
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Speaker 1: If you're a free agent, do you want to do
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Speaker 1: what we just talked about and live in in Minnesota
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Speaker 1: or Green Bay or Detroit, or Chicago or New York,
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Speaker 1: or do you want to come down here and when
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Speaker 1: you have an off season, when you have an off
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Speaker 1: season as an NFL player, to have the weather that
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Speaker 1: you can enjoy all different kinds of activities indoors and outdoors. Well, Jeff,
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Speaker 1: that's not what I make my decision based on. But
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Speaker 1: I tell you what I wouldn't make my decision based
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Speaker 1: on the fact that there's zero state income tax in
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Speaker 1: Florida and up here in Minnesota it's like the third highest.
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Speaker 1: I think it's twelve, eleven or twelve, And so did
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Speaker 1: I rather have eleven or twelve percent less money? Or
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Speaker 1: I would I like to keep that compared to paint
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Speaker 1: to the government. And the same goes for Illinois, California,
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Speaker 1: and New York, all tiling on the scale to wait
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Speaker 1: in the favor on the side of Jacksonville. And here's
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Speaker 1: the thing, you know, the most favorable, the three most
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Speaker 1: favorable markets to play in from a teams to play
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Speaker 1: in as far as a tax consequences. Now, which teams
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Speaker 1: are the most favorable, Well, this this one Jacksonville standpoint.
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Speaker 1: We'll get me there too. Houston, okay, and Tampa Nope.
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Speaker 1: The three teams if you want to pay the least
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Speaker 1: amount of taxes as a football player, you should play
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Speaker 1: in Houston Texans, Tennessee Titans, Jacksonville Jaguars. The reason is
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Speaker 1: is because Tennessee, Texas and Jackson will have zero state
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Speaker 1: income tax. And if you play in Jackson when you go,
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Speaker 1: you play Houston every year, and you play Tennessee every year,
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Speaker 1: and you're not gonna pay income taxes as a visiting
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Speaker 1: team in those markets as well. So you're guaranteed eight
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Speaker 1: home games plus two at least two away games every year,
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Speaker 1: ten games with zero tax consequence from a state income tax.
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Speaker 1: Kind of add one carry the one I don't know
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Speaker 1: the masks. Yeah, well unless you unless you're Indianapolis and
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Speaker 1: the game is in London. No, the Indianapolis has Indiana
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Speaker 1: has state income, Tennessee or Houston. Again, if you think
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Speaker 1: about the tax laws in London, you have to make
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Speaker 1: over a threshold before it to make any consequence playing
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Speaker 1: in London. And then I know you know that, and
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Speaker 1: I want you to explain that because there was a
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Speaker 1: little bit of misinformation that was put out, um about
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Speaker 1: what the tax concept points is are in London. Well,
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Speaker 1: what's the real story with that? So I don't want
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Speaker 1: to get into the details. I'll message give there's a
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Speaker 1: complex like formula. But you have to make over a
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Speaker 1: certain amount of money which no one will actually make
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Speaker 1: and even if you touch it, it is a nominal
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Speaker 1: tax consequence almost you know, nonexistent um for playing in
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Speaker 1: London one or two games. And so this whole ringing
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Speaker 1: of the hands and worry of oh my gosh, you
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Speaker 1: know it's gonna hurt free agency, it's and hurt people
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Speaker 1: because of the tax consequence of playing two games in
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Speaker 1: London is a myth and it is not real. Because
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Speaker 1: of the the floor which let's say it's four million
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Speaker 1: dollars you have to make before it kicks into a
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Speaker 1: certain level for the London tax structure, whatever it is
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Speaker 1: making that that formula, I think it's right around that number. Um.
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Speaker 1: And if you're a Jaguar player and you're only playing
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Speaker 1: two games there and so most players are not making
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Speaker 1: more than a million dollars a week, so you're probably
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Speaker 1: you know, you're not going to get there if you
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Speaker 1: even barely touch it. It's a nominal impact that most
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Speaker 1: and I wonder if if it's broken down by the
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Speaker 1: day right, yes, yeah, And I wanted to bring that
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Speaker 1: up because you know, for a long time, when when
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Speaker 1: we would go and play in the state of California,
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Speaker 1: the state of California would try to tax you on
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Speaker 1: one seventeenth of your salary, which essentially, because you know,
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Speaker 1: NFL players get paid seventeen game checks, so the sixteen
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Speaker 1: games in the bye weeks, you're getting seventeen checks, so
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Speaker 1: the state of California would try to tax you on
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Speaker 1: one seventeenth of your entire entire annual salary. Well, tax
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Speaker 1: attorneys argued successfully that it's that it's doesn't have anything
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Speaker 1: to do with game checks. That has to do with
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Speaker 1: what we call duty days or work days, and an
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Speaker 1: NFL an NFL player works in the average of two
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Speaker 1: fifty plus days a year, and so now it's have
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Speaker 1: here there for two days, it's two over two hundred
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Speaker 1: fifty or one. That's the taxable amount going to California.
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Speaker 1: So that has all changed. And I'm sure it's the
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Speaker 1: same type of thing in London, but there's no real
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Speaker 1: there's no consequences. So and so the threshold Tony is
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Speaker 1: talking about. A lot of people say, well four million,
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Speaker 1: what plays is making fifteen? Well, he's not making that
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Speaker 1: in a couple of days, so even in ten days.
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Speaker 1: It might not exactly nobody's making that in ten days,
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Speaker 1: and maybe it might not be the four million, might
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Speaker 1: not be the exact number I made that, but it's
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Speaker 1: somewhere around there. It doesn't matter. The bottom line exists.
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Speaker 1: There's zero top there's zero real tax consequence for playing
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Speaker 1: in London for a player. For shod that's a different
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Speaker 1: story for a player. So do you see how we
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Speaker 1: weave that kind of cold weather storyline. And that's pretty
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Speaker 1: good because I mean that's the reality. Mean, there's so
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Speaker 1: many different This is a very attractive market for a
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Speaker 1: lot of different reasons. Uh, now you just need to
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Speaker 1: get what the player. Well. First of all, the first
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Speaker 1: thing the player is gonna want is size the contract,
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Speaker 1: and number two the stability and they expected success of
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Speaker 1: the franchise. That's the part that needs to be worked on.
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Speaker 1: But everything else, the financial implications, attracting place to live,
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Speaker 1: cost a living, et cetera. Jacksonville has the upper hand
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Speaker 1: on a lot of that stuff. So from from a
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Speaker 1: free agency standpoint, this is a very attractive destination. Hey,
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Speaker 1: calendar to see what day of the week, that is,
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Speaker 1: to see if I might be able to end my schedule,
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Speaker 1: and and I actually can't do that, which is it's Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: Tuesday and Wednesday, right back to back night. Not that
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Speaker 1: I've never they have more songs. This is a good tune, yez.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're playing this song for two hours
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Speaker 1: straight both nights. You know what I'm saying this is
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Speaker 1: this is a new uh. I'm saying, are they are?
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Speaker 1: There are a bunch of good songs. They've got good stuff.
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Speaker 1: You're trying to have a conversation about the Daily's place,
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Speaker 1: and because I'm curious, I love that place, as you know,
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Speaker 1: it's went home away from home, and the luminaries. I've
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Speaker 1: never heard of me to tell you. Why, why don't
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Speaker 1: you make a phone call and get the couch and
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Speaker 1: we'll all the four of us will go. Then we'll
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Speaker 1: get j J. Not you're that, you're that's you're not
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Speaker 1: that in that four. You don't even know the band game.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I get a dictate who goes, and
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Speaker 1: right now you're on the I'm out. I'm out. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: right now you're out. It's me Angie Tara and okay, well,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to be the fifth wheel anyway. Oh good.
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Speaker 1: I love you guys, all you guys, but I'm not
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Speaker 1: I'm not happy with you right now. It's fair. Um
19:37
Speaker 1: so hey, the Jack's hired again. Ben macadoo is now
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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Former Giants head coach,
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Speaker 1: former Giants offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coachers. Yes, Tony Erupt
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Speaker 1: remember this. About a month ago we were saying, is
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Speaker 1: it too late to hire and make changes on the staff.
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Speaker 1: That was a month ago at that conversation. That's true, right,
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Speaker 1: It's just happened recently the other day. We also talked
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Speaker 1: at that time about what what would a candidate for
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Speaker 1: this staff look like. And we talked about how in
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Speaker 1: some cases it would be uh, an offensive coordinator for
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Speaker 1: that matter, that somebody's not looking to be a head coach,
20:19
Speaker 1: maybe somebody that was a head coach or somebody that
20:23
Speaker 1: once back in the league. I mean, this is the
20:26
Speaker 1: case I think with Ben McAdoo. I mean, here's a
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Speaker 1: guy that I mean, he's been out of the league
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Speaker 1: for a while, right, a couple of years. Uh. And
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Speaker 1: I'm not not criticizing him whatsoever. And the fact of
20:39
Speaker 1: the matter is is that, you know, here was a
20:41
Speaker 1: guy that was hungry for a job and more than qualified.
20:45
Speaker 1: But the situation that in New York didn't end in
20:49
Speaker 1: a variable favor in a favorable light, so it was
20:51
Speaker 1: viewed in a negative fashion by many people, unfortunately. But
20:55
Speaker 1: he's a more than qualified coach and UH, I think
20:58
Speaker 1: it's a good hire by Doug Moron. I Doug has
21:01
Speaker 1: had two very good hires on the offensive side of
21:04
Speaker 1: the ball and UH both with with Gruden and macadoo.
21:09
Speaker 1: Think about on this staff and on this team now,
21:12
Speaker 1: the half the NFC East is on the coaching staff
21:15
Speaker 1: from last year the last couple of years, Jay Gruden
21:17
Speaker 1: and then macadoo and Nick Foles is in the quarterback room.
21:20
Speaker 1: It's three fourths of the NFC East over the last
21:23
Speaker 1: couple of years. That I mean, the real, you know,
21:27
Speaker 1: ultimate test is gonna be where are you at? Record wise?
21:32
Speaker 1: Where are you at? Production wise? Is an offense and
21:36
Speaker 1: this is an extremely important higher because this is gonna
21:40
Speaker 1: have a lot of say so into who the quarterback
21:44
Speaker 1: is for the Jaguars. Oh yeah, right, I mean absolutely
21:50
Speaker 1: the embarrassment of riches. At some point there has to
21:52
Speaker 1: be a decision made who's going to be the guy?
21:56
Speaker 1: And Doug Marone, Jay Gruden and Ben McAdoo. Not to
22:01
Speaker 1: be confused with Bob, because Tony put that in my
22:03
Speaker 1: head a little while ago. I was trying to confuse me.
22:08
Speaker 1: Would you like to explain who Bob McAdoo is, please?
22:11
Speaker 1: Power power forward from the Lakers played some hoops back
22:15
Speaker 1: in the day, back in the back in the day,
22:18
Speaker 1: though a while he was seventies, right, yeah, back in then?
22:20
Speaker 1: What day is that? It's a day it's back in
22:23
Speaker 1: Joe Fortunato's day about laughter in the distance. When I
22:30
Speaker 1: said that it's been a while, it's been a while.
22:36
Speaker 1: So here's a question I have for you. Obviously, you know,
22:39
Speaker 1: Jake Gruden's coming in with his offense and he's got
22:44
Speaker 1: you know, Been McAdoo in the quarterback room and all that.
22:47
Speaker 1: How long does it take for a staff that's here
22:50
Speaker 1: in place already to adapt to his offense. How does
22:54
Speaker 1: that work? Let me let me start real quick, Tony,
22:56
Speaker 1: And I think it's gonna be interesting to see when
22:59
Speaker 1: Jay Gruden comes in the door. I mean, he's he's
23:02
Speaker 1: got his own terminology, he's got his own way of
23:05
Speaker 1: talking offense. Does Jay come in and learn the Jaguars
23:11
Speaker 1: offensive terminology or does he completely change it? My guess
23:17
Speaker 1: if if you want your quarterbacks and everybody else to
23:20
Speaker 1: be able to start faster is and now you have
23:24
Speaker 1: less people to learn, is that you have the new
23:26
Speaker 1: coaches learn the current terminology that you have, and that
23:30
Speaker 1: the coaches adjust and adapt to that terminology so that
23:34
Speaker 1: the players have a language. And I might be totally wrong,
23:38
Speaker 1: maybe they feel like that, Hey, look, we need our
23:40
Speaker 1: coaches and our head uh offensive guy, our offensive coordinator
23:45
Speaker 1: to be able to have his terminology because he can
23:47
Speaker 1: better teach it. Uh. But I would expect though, that
23:50
Speaker 1: Jay Gruen's coming the door. And he's had to learn
23:52
Speaker 1: the Jaguars way of talking and then implement his offense
23:57
Speaker 1: with a lot of input from the offensive staf that's
24:00
Speaker 1: currently already here. Would you agree with that, Tony, Yeah,
24:06
Speaker 1: I think this is Jay system. I think it will
24:07
Speaker 1: be Jay's language. I think it will be Jay's philosophies
24:11
Speaker 1: that obviously other people will be bought into and be
24:14
Speaker 1: a part of. But I think I think Jake Grud's offense.
24:17
Speaker 1: I don't think Jay's learning in the system. I think
24:19
Speaker 1: he's bringing his offense. So you think they'll change the terminology,
24:23
Speaker 1: I I well, I think they'll maybe trying to marry
24:25
Speaker 1: it as much as possible. Um. But I think TI
24:30
Speaker 1: goes to the new coordinator. I think Jay Gruden is good.
24:33
Speaker 1: I mean, Jay Gruden has a philosophy, he has a
24:35
Speaker 1: way that he wants to do things and that he's
24:38
Speaker 1: comfortable with it. He's done for a while. It is
24:40
Speaker 1: both as a coordinator at the Cincinnati Bengals, is the
24:42
Speaker 1: head coach of the Redskins. It'll be interesting to see
24:45
Speaker 1: if that if that is in fact the case. But
24:47
Speaker 1: I mean, because you look at you know, you've got
24:51
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches that are already on staff that
24:54
Speaker 1: have been working this system, this language, and so h
25:01
Speaker 1: only for a year because it was brand new. It
25:03
Speaker 1: was brand new last year with Flip. I mean, so
25:07
Speaker 1: you're like, listen, I mean, I you say, most of
25:11
Speaker 1: the staff outside of handful, we go back to the
25:14
Speaker 1: Hackett language, which is I doubt they kept or if
25:19
Speaker 1: they kept it was you know, at least bastardized a
25:22
Speaker 1: little bit when Flip came in because he brought his
25:24
Speaker 1: own stuff in And when he came in, they brought
25:26
Speaker 1: war up as the new offensive line coach. So you know,
25:32
Speaker 1: did they go and take Hackett's information to use his
25:34
Speaker 1: language or in warps they know we're gonna do it
25:37
Speaker 1: this way, and now you have, for the third straight
25:39
Speaker 1: year a new coordinator again that I don't know if
25:45
Speaker 1: there's a consistent language, Jeff, because it's been hot, multiple
25:49
Speaker 1: people all touching it. Until my guess is, if I'm
25:52
Speaker 1: Jake Gruden, I know what I want, I know how
25:54
Speaker 1: I want to communicate. This is what we're gonna do.
25:56
Speaker 1: And we're all we've all been in this this league
25:59
Speaker 1: for a long time. As far as coaches, it's get
26:01
Speaker 1: on the same page. It's get it right. Let's go teaching.
26:03
Speaker 1: That'll be that'll be an interesting question. And then that's
26:06
Speaker 1: a question for the head coach that maybe we'll have
26:09
Speaker 1: answered by next week's show to see the direction that
26:13
Speaker 1: they're gonna go. But to me, because if you're you're
26:16
Speaker 1: you're trying to make the players as comfortable as you
26:19
Speaker 1: possibly can and to allow them to learn at a
26:23
Speaker 1: faster rate. My way of or thinking is that you
26:30
Speaker 1: have the offensive coordinator just I mean, you got you know,
26:32
Speaker 1: your war hoop keenomccardell Ron Middleton. You've got a staff that,
26:39
Speaker 1: for the most part offensively has been intact. So now
26:43
Speaker 1: you have one guy come in, do you change everything
26:45
Speaker 1: or just have him learn your way of talking but
26:48
Speaker 1: institute his way of doing offense. I don't know. Interesting
26:52
Speaker 1: he's doing his way for a long time. You'll probably
26:55
Speaker 1: make the argument either way to be better, you know,
26:58
Speaker 1: But whatever is the winning way? Bugs, I'm with you there,
27:02
Speaker 1: that is the right answer. J There is no right answer.
27:06
Speaker 1: The winning way is the right answer. Well, okay, you
27:09
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27:11
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27:13
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27:18
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27:21
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27:25
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27:27
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27:31
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27:40
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27:45
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32:04
Speaker 1: where you're looking, it looks like they're a little bit
32:06
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32:12
Speaker 1: in the next month really ahead for the well in
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32:22
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32:25
Speaker 1: which is pushed back a week this year. It's the
32:27
Speaker 1: last I think the last week in February. It's usually
32:30
Speaker 1: going on right about now, but they pushed the back
32:33
Speaker 1: a little bit. In the league. The league year is
32:35
Speaker 1: actually starting a year like a week later as well.
32:37
Speaker 1: This year for whatever reason, the seasons like a week
32:42
Speaker 1: later the normal too. It's it feels like what all
32:46
Speaker 1: it all depends on where the Labor Day fail falls.
32:48
Speaker 1: Like this year it was early because Labor Day fell
32:51
Speaker 1: um right at the beginning of September. Uh. This year
32:55
Speaker 1: it's gonna be at the like September eight, and so
32:58
Speaker 1: to be pushed back everything a week that's um anyway.
33:02
Speaker 1: So yeah, you have to we have big decisions to
33:04
Speaker 1: make and you get to get down under the cap
33:05
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they're having those conversations now, but at
33:07
Speaker 1: the same time you start to have to evaluating probably
33:09
Speaker 1: the most important part not only for this year but
33:12
Speaker 1: for the future of this franchise is with the draft
33:14
Speaker 1: equity that you have, is the evaluation of the college players.
33:18
Speaker 1: That's and that has already started evaluating tape. But the
33:21
Speaker 1: big portion of that is the combine paring down your
33:24
Speaker 1: list and really digging deep into the top five or
33:27
Speaker 1: seven at each position where you feel like you're gonna
33:29
Speaker 1: make a move. So you have a lot going on
33:32
Speaker 1: right now. It doesn't feel like it probably to the
33:34
Speaker 1: fans and to the people on the exterior because it's
33:36
Speaker 1: it's quiet. You're not gonna get a lot of the
33:39
Speaker 1: noise until you get to the beginning of next month.
33:42
Speaker 1: But there's a ton of things that are going on
33:44
Speaker 1: that you have to operate, you know, in parallel paths.
33:47
Speaker 1: If you're Doug Maron and Dave calla yeah a lot
33:52
Speaker 1: and uh man. At some point, you know, how is
33:56
Speaker 1: the progress going with I don't want to say the marrying,
34:00
Speaker 1: but the the working together of scouting and coaching, which
34:04
Speaker 1: has been talked about since the end of the season.
34:06
Speaker 1: We've heard about that. Yeah, So they're all getting to
34:09
Speaker 1: get they all get along now, They're are getting together
34:12
Speaker 1: their hand to hand right now, there's there is a
34:16
Speaker 1: lot going on right now, Tony. I mean when you
34:18
Speaker 1: when you talk about that, a lot of things that
34:20
Speaker 1: are all going on at the same time. I mean, hecky,
34:22
Speaker 1: free agency evaluation, the decisions about your own roster, the
34:27
Speaker 1: evaluations of your own roster. I think it is probably
34:29
Speaker 1: still even somewhat ongoing, just because of the new coaching
34:32
Speaker 1: hires that you have. Absolutely you want to get their
34:35
Speaker 1: input into where this roster is at. So uh so
34:40
Speaker 1: the salary cap decisions, the draft, free agency. Uh and
34:45
Speaker 1: then also this time of year is also a busy
34:48
Speaker 1: time of year medically for a lot of teams. There's
34:50
Speaker 1: a lot of players that have had you know, they've
34:54
Speaker 1: sent the car to the shop, they get it tuned up,
34:56
Speaker 1: so to speak, to where they've had offseason surgery. So
34:58
Speaker 1: you've got players that are participating in rehab and where
35:03
Speaker 1: are they at, the evaluation of where they are, Where
35:05
Speaker 1: are they expected to be by the time the season
35:07
Speaker 1: rolls around, Where they expected to be by the time
35:09
Speaker 1: o t as roll around? Are they going to be available?
35:11
Speaker 1: If they're not available, do we need to have maybe
35:14
Speaker 1: a discussion about how the chemistry or the makeup of
35:18
Speaker 1: our roster might be a little bit heavy because we
35:20
Speaker 1: have player X who's not going to be available for
35:23
Speaker 1: O T A S. I mean, there's a lot of
35:24
Speaker 1: things that are going on with the NFL rosters right now,
35:28
Speaker 1: and uh, and it's uh, it's it's an I don't
35:32
Speaker 1: want to say it's a never aenning process because at
35:34
Speaker 1: some point, you know, you've got to start playing football games,
35:36
Speaker 1: and a lot of that stuff goes to the hands
35:38
Speaker 1: of those that aren't involved in the coaching aspect of it.
35:41
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a busy time of year. It's in
35:43
Speaker 1: a bit and it's a busy time of year that
35:45
Speaker 1: people have no clue the amount of hours that are
35:48
Speaker 1: being put in right now. Most people think you drinking
35:53
Speaker 1: beer or hanging out, you know, talking at the five o'clock. Yeah. Probably,
36:03
Speaker 1: But Jeff, the bigger thing is I mean, it's it's
36:06
Speaker 1: I think it's exasperated for this team because you have
36:10
Speaker 1: the cap issues and so you have major upgrades that
36:13
Speaker 1: you have to make because I think if you look
36:15
Speaker 1: at the roster top to bottom, and I know there's
36:17
Speaker 1: debates even in the building of where they are in
36:21
Speaker 1: the evolution of how good this roster is, you know,
36:24
Speaker 1: and one way or another, but whatever wherever you have
36:28
Speaker 1: it on the spectrum of being a good or bad roster,
36:31
Speaker 1: there's still needs upgrades, it still needs improvements, and you
36:34
Speaker 1: have to do that in light of having no cap space.
36:37
Speaker 1: And so you have to change, you have to make moves,
36:40
Speaker 1: you have to restructure deals, you have to cut people,
36:42
Speaker 1: and then add back to the holes that you've created,
36:46
Speaker 1: plus fill the holes that you already had in the roster.
36:49
Speaker 1: And so it's it's a lot compared to the Colts
36:53
Speaker 1: who have I think, you know, seventy million dollars of
36:56
Speaker 1: cap space going in the free agency. And so that's
37:02
Speaker 1: the interesting thing and one of the things that you know,
37:04
Speaker 1: maybe we can talk about next week or the following
37:07
Speaker 1: week because I might be out of town next week,
37:09
Speaker 1: but regardless when we talked about it is where we
37:14
Speaker 1: sit as an organization, because when you get to start,
37:17
Speaker 1: I always believe is in your division. So we're in
37:19
Speaker 1: the NFC South, So it's US Texans, Colts, UM and
37:24
Speaker 1: the Titans. And where do you sit from a roster
37:28
Speaker 1: standpoint as far as being competitive to win the division?
37:31
Speaker 1: And then as you kind of segment it down, is
37:34
Speaker 1: like where do you sit salary cap wise, where do
37:37
Speaker 1: you sit at key positions and kind of because you're
37:40
Speaker 1: trying to compete because the one thing, the one way
37:42
Speaker 1: to guarantee being in the tournament with a chance to
37:45
Speaker 1: win the Party Trophy is winning your division, and so
37:48
Speaker 1: I think you have to start there. And part of
37:51
Speaker 1: that this time of year, because you're not on the field,
37:54
Speaker 1: is you know who you know? How much room do
37:57
Speaker 1: you have to play with to be aggressive, to build
37:59
Speaker 1: your team up to improve it. And the only one
38:02
Speaker 1: I know off the top of the head is the Colts.
38:04
Speaker 1: And you look at the Colts as a young team,
38:05
Speaker 1: pretty talented for us, ahead of the Jaguars record wise,
38:09
Speaker 1: and has I think seventy or seventy five or sixty
38:11
Speaker 1: eight million some big number of that they have the
38:16
Speaker 1: ability to go make some moves and do some different things.
38:18
Speaker 1: And so that's where you start saying, Okay, use you strategize,
38:21
Speaker 1: and Jeff, this is just going back to your point,
38:23
Speaker 1: how much is really going on behind the scenes, which
38:25
Speaker 1: is a ton if you're trying to you're trying to
38:28
Speaker 1: build your team for this year to win your division,
38:33
Speaker 1: but you're also looking ahead for years to come up
38:36
Speaker 1: saying how do we continue to build this thing so
38:38
Speaker 1: that we are competitive year in a year out with
38:40
Speaker 1: a chance to win the division to go to the
38:42
Speaker 1: playoffs an ongoing process that that process. I mean, look,
38:47
Speaker 1: they've been talking and trying to get to that point,
38:51
Speaker 1: but they haven't been able to reach that and so, uh,
38:55
Speaker 1: you need to continue to swing and that The first
38:58
Speaker 1: step though, obviously with this roster now is you've got
39:00
Speaker 1: to find a way to get your cap where it
39:03
Speaker 1: needs to be. And I think there's some decisions I
39:07
Speaker 1: think that are pretty obvious, and I think there are
39:09
Speaker 1: some that you can sit there and debate about whether
39:11
Speaker 1: you do them or you know, X, Y or Z.
39:14
Speaker 1: I think the pretty easy ones I think are Marquis
39:17
Speaker 1: sleep been hurt a lot. Marcel Darius is probably the
39:20
Speaker 1: number one. I think that's a given right here. What
39:24
Speaker 1: is his cap numbers? Like twenty something millions, twenty two
39:28
Speaker 1: million UM. If if Marcel Darius's cap number and an
39:34
Speaker 1: actual salary or somewhere in the neighborhood of six, you'd
39:38
Speaker 1: be like, we're good. But that's about where the value
39:42
Speaker 1: that you would put on his level of play maybe
39:44
Speaker 1: a little bit more than that. Over twenty there's no chance,
39:47
Speaker 1: um Marquis sleep and hurt his cap numbers. What around
39:51
Speaker 1: five is ballpark four is five is something like that.
39:54
Speaker 1: I mean production hasn't matched the number. It might even
39:58
Speaker 1: be a little bit more than that. The linebacker that
40:01
Speaker 1: you signed from Green Bay Jake Bryan, Jake Ryan, I
40:05
Speaker 1: mean it's not it's not like a huge savings like
40:08
Speaker 1: Marcel Darius. But you're talking about a guy that wasn't
40:11
Speaker 1: even healthy when he played in the game. But when
40:14
Speaker 1: the games that he played, he was he was hobbling
40:16
Speaker 1: around on the field. He was not he was not pent.
40:20
Speaker 1: You could tell by watching the film and then after that.
40:23
Speaker 1: Now you're starting to get into the category of guys
40:26
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have a debate about. Norwell, Klais Campbell,
40:30
Speaker 1: uh a j Boy. Does their level of play match
40:36
Speaker 1: their level of pay Clay's Campbell. You can make the
40:39
Speaker 1: argument that that for the not this past year, but
40:43
Speaker 1: the two years prior to that, his level of play exceeded.
40:47
Speaker 1: Can't pay You don't pay someone based on what they
40:50
Speaker 1: did the last three years, the last two years, even
40:53
Speaker 1: last year. You pay them based on what you think
40:56
Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to do. This year, and that's
40:58
Speaker 1: the that's the part that is I think with Klais
41:01
Speaker 1: becomes very interesting because number one, he's a fan favorite.
41:05
Speaker 1: Does his level of play last year warrant a fifteen
41:09
Speaker 1: million dollar salary this year? Probably it's a seventeen seventeen
41:16
Speaker 1: five cap but fifteen million and real money spent or
41:20
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I mean, so it does his level
41:22
Speaker 1: played last year? Do you expect his level of play
41:26
Speaker 1: to be it? Or was his level of play last year?
41:28
Speaker 1: Do you expect him to be able to Jeff? That's
41:32
Speaker 1: that's a great question. Year. Do you think last year
41:36
Speaker 1: the level of play the place Campbell provided was up
41:41
Speaker 1: to the seventeen and a half million dollar cap number
41:44
Speaker 1: and fifteen million dollars real cash? Because that's where you
41:47
Speaker 1: have to start, because you can't figure out this year
41:49
Speaker 1: until you talk about last year. Do you think it
41:51
Speaker 1: was there? Me, you're asking me, I don't think. I don't.
41:57
Speaker 1: I don't think last year that his level of play
42:01
Speaker 1: equal his level of pay of pay. Okay, So if
42:05
Speaker 1: that's your belief, then what you're saying you would either
42:10
Speaker 1: get him to restructure and take less money or cut him,
42:13
Speaker 1: because if it didn't happen last year. What would make
42:16
Speaker 1: you think it's going to go up this year? Well, here,
42:18
Speaker 1: here's and see that's That's where I think the argument
42:21
Speaker 1: that it's not as clear cut as did he play
42:25
Speaker 1: to the level of pay last year? Because if if
42:28
Speaker 1: he didn't, why was he hurt? Was he was? Did
42:33
Speaker 1: he play out of position? Did U? Was there other
42:39
Speaker 1: circumstance or factors that factored in ag he did play
42:43
Speaker 1: out because he was asked to play a last free
42:46
Speaker 1: technique part of the year, right part of the year? Um,
42:51
Speaker 1: was he hurt? Yes, he had? They you take that
42:56
Speaker 1: into consideration because mostly when you get older, you're not
42:59
Speaker 1: gonna get hurt. Sh you're dining up, Bob. I mean here,
43:03
Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of times that's easy
43:05
Speaker 1: to assume, but in some cases can be very wrong
43:08
Speaker 1: to assume that the older player gets it. Let's cuts
43:13
Speaker 1: of the chase. I'm gonna ask you, g M Logman.
43:19
Speaker 1: Are you bringing plays back at the same price he
43:21
Speaker 1: has currently under, which is seventy and a half million
43:24
Speaker 1: dollar cap number fifteen of new cash? Are you bringing
43:27
Speaker 1: him back at that? If I have to yes, No,
43:30
Speaker 1: I'm asking you a question. Are you bringing him back
43:33
Speaker 1: he says to you, Jeff Loman, either pay me this
43:36
Speaker 1: or cut me. That's your two options. What are you doing?
43:39
Speaker 1: I'm bringing them back and then you're gonna try to
43:41
Speaker 1: trade him. I'm not gonna trade, okay, so let me JP.
43:49
Speaker 1: Just you be quiet for a second. I'm just asking,
43:52
Speaker 1: that's right, Okay. So now you're keeping clayss. So now
43:57
Speaker 1: you have to mind let's say forty million dollars million
44:04
Speaker 1: dollars in other places. Well, I got I got almost thirty. Um,
44:10
Speaker 1: I got almost thirty with Darius, Jake Ryan, Marquis Lee. Right, okay,
44:19
Speaker 1: but I got to find another ten tennis. You probably
44:23
Speaker 1: gonna go fund our twelve. Okay, where's your other twelve?
44:25
Speaker 1: That's where it gets yes signed, because you have and
44:29
Speaker 1: gock Way to worry about. You have two first rounders
44:33
Speaker 1: in the draft class. You have to set aside cap
44:36
Speaker 1: for I'm gonna franchise in Gockway. So okay, So now
44:41
Speaker 1: you've taken nineteen million. That's his cap number this year,
44:47
Speaker 1: but you have to set aside. So now you have
44:51
Speaker 1: eleven left. I'll call it ten left after cutting uh, Darius,
45:00
Speaker 1: Ryan and Marquis So are you you're basically saying I'm
45:05
Speaker 1: not doing anything in free agency then because I need
45:07
Speaker 1: that ten million to sign draft picks. You probably need
45:11
Speaker 1: more than that. So like, who are you cutting, Jeff
45:14
Speaker 1: Logman because you've kept You've kept class, which by the way,
45:17
Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing with, but who are you like where
45:21
Speaker 1: you finding the money? That's so your only your only
45:25
Speaker 1: choice at this point is by Boyer and Norwall. So
45:30
Speaker 1: you're gonna kept both of those two starters. And now
45:33
Speaker 1: now you have your cap room, but now you need
45:34
Speaker 1: a left guard in a number one corner. Was the
45:37
Speaker 1: stronger draft of those position groups and all that my
45:41
Speaker 1: factor top of the corner is really good. They don't
45:46
Speaker 1: necessarily have to be filled just by the draft. I
45:48
Speaker 1: mean you can you can fill that. And I'm not
45:50
Speaker 1: saying top tier free agency, but in that lower tier
45:53
Speaker 1: of free agency, you know, because look, I mean the
45:55
Speaker 1: reality is is that there's gonna be other teams are
45:57
Speaker 1: gonna be letting guys go to so uh for a reason,
46:02
Speaker 1: yeah a lot of times. Yeah, I mean, well, look,
46:03
Speaker 1: I mean the same thing. I mean, just like your
46:06
Speaker 1: offensive line has issues, other people have issues too, So
46:09
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I mean that's I don't know if I
46:11
Speaker 1: don't know if I let the world go. I'm trying
46:13
Speaker 1: to build an offensive line and I gotta win this year.
46:15
Speaker 1: If I'm the coaching staff, all right, let me ask
46:18
Speaker 1: you this, So where do you go? It's an interesting question.
46:23
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not it's not an easy answer, you know.
46:26
Speaker 1: You know that. That's why when Caldwell was asked about
46:30
Speaker 1: about the cap he he felt very confident that it
46:32
Speaker 1: wouldn't be it wouldn't be an issue. And I very confident.
46:38
Speaker 1: He was very confident. And and I'm and I look,
46:40
Speaker 1: we don't know all the particulars of the numbers, and
46:44
Speaker 1: maybe if we knew some of that, Yeah, we're guessing
46:47
Speaker 1: someone some of it. So if we knew the issues
46:49
Speaker 1: with maybe we would have a little bit better understanding.
46:53
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm very anxious to see how they
46:58
Speaker 1: go about doing this, how they all about doing this
47:01
Speaker 1: without creating more holes with a roster that you don't
47:05
Speaker 1: want to be able to create. So I'll say this, Jeff,
47:08
Speaker 1: here's my thing with what I would do. Getting rid
47:12
Speaker 1: of Clays, Campbell and Gockway would really worry me on
47:15
Speaker 1: a defense that was not very good last year, and
47:19
Speaker 1: for two reasons than whether the bottom line is Clays
47:25
Speaker 1: Campbell is your best player on defense last year and
47:27
Speaker 1: he and he had a down year for him based
47:29
Speaker 1: on any what did the two years before that? Um
47:34
Speaker 1: and he's also one of your veteran pros leaders on
47:39
Speaker 1: that side that I think you need. I think the
47:42
Speaker 1: danger is you go back to thirteen when they let
47:44
Speaker 1: guys like Darryl Smith and just you know, clean house
47:47
Speaker 1: on the roster. You get a bunch of young guys.
47:48
Speaker 1: It was, it was problematic. So I worry about letting
47:52
Speaker 1: clayss go. And from the sounds of the plays, basically
47:55
Speaker 1: said at the Pro Bowl, I'm not playing for less
47:58
Speaker 1: than what my contract says. Now I'm you know, paraphrasing there,
48:02
Speaker 1: but that's basically what he said. And then in gock Way,
48:05
Speaker 1: you have a young player who does everything right, hard worker,
48:11
Speaker 1: loves football. Maybe he doesn't have the consistency of impacting
48:15
Speaker 1: the game every play, but has splash playability that can
48:19
Speaker 1: change games. And you don't have that many of those
48:22
Speaker 1: guys on this team offensively and defensively. And do you
48:26
Speaker 1: let one of the guys you drafted go? I would
48:29
Speaker 1: franchise him as well, because I don't think I want to.
48:32
Speaker 1: I have a hard time thinking I want to sign
48:34
Speaker 1: him up for a two million dollar a year deal
48:37
Speaker 1: based on two seasons of under double digit sax um.
48:42
Speaker 1: But I want him on the team. And so that
48:45
Speaker 1: puts you in a quandary, I mean sary can't standpoint
48:48
Speaker 1: of what to do and where do where do you
48:50
Speaker 1: create the space? So I think it I'm with you.
48:53
Speaker 1: I think it's more difficult than um. It comes across
48:57
Speaker 1: when you hear Dave call will speak. But maybe he
49:00
Speaker 1: knows something we don't. Let's come back. We'll go around
49:03
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Speaker 1: Welcome Back, Jaguars, Happy r J P. Shadrick, Jeff Loghum
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Speaker 1: and Tony sally By the Jowan Taylor was out the
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53:17
Speaker 1: stage today, and Jowan is doing well. He's offseason training
53:21
Speaker 1: as well underway and getting stronger and bigger and better
53:25
Speaker 1: for next year. In the future, he's gonna be a
53:27
Speaker 1: good one. If a good one, he's I think he's
53:30
Speaker 1: got the makings of of of a perennial Pro Bowl
53:34
Speaker 1: right tackle. I mean he's got some things that he
53:36
Speaker 1: needs to work on consistency, but I mean he has
53:39
Speaker 1: the framework, the base to be that kind of a
53:44
Speaker 1: player right tackically so strong and he gets great movement
53:48
Speaker 1: and uh as a as a as a past protector.
53:51
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of a natural. Just needs to
53:53
Speaker 1: work on his hands a little bit, but he's When
53:58
Speaker 1: you look at Jowan, what do you think he has
53:59
Speaker 1: to work to become a great player. His hands need
54:02
Speaker 1: to be better, I think first and foremost, I think
54:05
Speaker 1: his run game stuff I think is very good. I
54:08
Speaker 1: think it can be taken up another notch, but I
54:10
Speaker 1: think it's just more. I think the biggest thing with
54:13
Speaker 1: a lot of young players is understanding how every week
54:16
Speaker 1: is different and preparing for specific individuals, understanding their game
54:21
Speaker 1: and not just showing up to play football. Because I
54:24
Speaker 1: mean because Tony, you know, and I did the same thing,
54:28
Speaker 1: and that the more intricacies that you know about your opponent,
54:33
Speaker 1: the more prepared you are to be able to stifle them.
54:36
Speaker 1: And and that's one of the big next steps that
54:39
Speaker 1: he needs to take. But I mean he's got the talent.
54:42
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got got it, got it. He's got
54:44
Speaker 1: the tool kids as he got tool kids. Let's go round.
54:49
Speaker 1: I think it's yes, Sorry, I think I agree. I
54:52
Speaker 1: agree with you, Jeff number one. To me, it's less
54:55
Speaker 1: physical with him, and it's more of a mental exercise.
54:59
Speaker 1: Became a great player. Now what he has to do
55:01
Speaker 1: and and if I get a chance to talk with him,
55:04
Speaker 1: I'm gonna share with him is you never stop improving
55:09
Speaker 1: as an offensive alignment or any player. And the way
55:12
Speaker 1: you improve as an offensive alignment is repetition, repetition, repetition,
55:16
Speaker 1: and so like, even though you know how to set
55:19
Speaker 1: and you know the footwork, you need to be doing
55:22
Speaker 1: hundreds of those sets as much as possible, and you
55:26
Speaker 1: need to go from just having one vertical set. Now,
55:29
Speaker 1: let me add to my toolbox. I got a you know,
55:32
Speaker 1: a jump set. I have a flat set. You know,
55:34
Speaker 1: I you know I can go from I can show flat, vertical,
55:38
Speaker 1: I can do different things. So you just rep, rep, rep, rep,
55:41
Speaker 1: and then your hand placement is literally just getting on
55:43
Speaker 1: bags and and getting guys out there and working with
55:46
Speaker 1: guys and working on your your aiming point, your focus
55:49
Speaker 1: and one hand punch, you know, two hand punch, you know,
55:52
Speaker 1: punch snatch. I mean, so it's just repetition, repetition. It's
55:56
Speaker 1: not like there's no magical thing like I think a
55:59
Speaker 1: lot of guys will always look for this magical drill
56:02
Speaker 1: or this magical technique that will make me better. To me,
56:05
Speaker 1: it's always like, Okay, let me understand how to play
56:08
Speaker 1: the game. Let me understand how guys want to rush,
56:12
Speaker 1: and there's because there's only so many ways you can
56:14
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56:16
Speaker 1: plan for every rush and kind of how I think
56:18
Speaker 1: about it. And then let me start marrying my technique
56:24
Speaker 1: and the different things I have my toolbox to that
56:27
Speaker 1: and work on that and rep it and rep and
56:29
Speaker 1: rep it, and then I become so proficient that when
56:32
Speaker 1: I get on the field after watching tape all week,
56:35
Speaker 1: and then I have my game plan, I understand what
56:37
Speaker 1: I want to do, and then I just go out
56:39
Speaker 1: and react to what I see and make adjustments as
56:42
Speaker 1: I go because I've recked it so much it's second nature.
56:45
Speaker 1: Marrying is the word of the show today. By the way,
56:48
Speaker 1: let's go around the National Football League quickly. Uh. The
56:51
Speaker 1: Chargers have said that Philip Rivers will become a free agents.
56:54
Speaker 1: Where does he end up, guys, quickly? I have no idea.
56:59
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he ends up in um Indianapolis. Interesting
57:06
Speaker 1: in the division. I think he goes Indianapolis. The Saints
57:10
Speaker 1: have a situation. I think I think that. I think
57:12
Speaker 1: the coach draft a quarterback in the first round of
57:14
Speaker 1: young guy and they get Philip Rivers for a two
57:16
Speaker 1: year stint um to be their quarterback. Perfect situation. They
57:20
Speaker 1: have a good offensive line, they can protect them, they
57:22
Speaker 1: have a run game, and when their skill set is healthy,
57:26
Speaker 1: they're pretty good. Taysom Hill the Saints this week, said
57:29
Speaker 1: that he definitely views himself as a franchise quarterback. He's
57:33
Speaker 1: only thrown thirteen career passes in the NFL. Living in
57:37
Speaker 1: a dream world, he's gonna be. He's gonna be in
57:39
Speaker 1: New Orleans, though, and and I view myself as a
57:43
Speaker 1: Calvin Clein model. Yeah, I think that's probably a good analogy,
57:49
Speaker 1: because when you're throw him how many passes, you're a
57:52
Speaker 1: far cry from being a franchise quarterback psom home and
57:56
Speaker 1: I am a far cry from a Calvin client model.
57:59
Speaker 1: Jamis wins And was the first thirty Davis Winston was
58:06
Speaker 1: the first thirty thirty quarterback in the NFL touchdowns and
58:10
Speaker 1: interceptions in the season. He's now vision. He had lasic surgery.
58:15
Speaker 1: Is he was what near sighted? Yes? Very near sighted
58:19
Speaker 1: unless unless it fixed a color blind issue. I don't
58:22
Speaker 1: think it matters. And finally, and how about this story
58:27
Speaker 1: from Ohio in the National Football League, UM, there was
58:32
Speaker 1: a medical board that ruled on Wednesday that being a
58:36
Speaker 1: fan of Cincinnati or Cleveland does not meet the condition
58:40
Speaker 1: requirements to purchase medical marijuana. This is a real deal.
58:44
Speaker 1: There were petitions filed by people in Ohio saying being
58:47
Speaker 1: a Browns of Bengals fans was enough to be able
58:50
Speaker 1: to buy weed. Wow, they ruled it down though. Interesting. Interesting.
58:56
Speaker 1: Tony enjoy the cold. I love it. M sounds like
59:02
Speaker 1: it sounds like it sounds like you can I can
59:04
Speaker 1: lie Ton'd even sally with us. Jeff log even I'm
59:08
Speaker 1: JP Shadrick. Thanks our entire Crewe will catch you next time.
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