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Chuck & Buck 4-28 Hour 3: Cam Cleeland talking Dawgs, do we have a Castillo problem? and we may have learned something from Ref... · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: It is Chuck and Ashley with you know Bucky Jacobson
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  Speaker 1: today and boy is he really going to miss out
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  Speaker 1: because we're bringing aboard his ginger brother Cam Cleveland here today.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't spoken to in a while. It's been far
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  Speaker 1: too long, if you ask me. And yet we got
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  Speaker 1: dogs after dark coming up this Friday. We were coming
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  Speaker 1: out of the NFL Draft. It just seemed like a
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  Speaker 1: great time to get our old friend Cam Cleland on
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  Speaker 1: the horn. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing good. It's been a while. How about you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing all right? How's everything? How's the family?
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  Speaker 4: Things get they go good? I mean it's just part
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  Speaker 4: of you. Just you're upright, you're above ground. That's how
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  Speaker 4: I always when you get to my age.
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  Speaker 3: God, I feel old.
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  Speaker 4: It's decrepit, man, don't we once we get over the
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  Speaker 4: fifty mark, you just all right be above ground? Can
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  Speaker 4: I still formulate a sentence? Can I hit a golf ball?
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  Speaker 4: But on that man, I'm just excited for it. Like
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  Speaker 4: I always say my old quote, and I'll say this
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  Speaker 4: till I take the dirt nap. There's two seasons. It's
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  Speaker 4: football season and there's waiting for football season. He's throwing
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  Speaker 4: a good baseball season, Mariners, come on, Maren, throwing a
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  Speaker 4: good baseball. But that's what we're waiting for. Yeaaiting for
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  Speaker 4: fall camp already. And then we watched football and baseball
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  Speaker 4: in the fall.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we do, all right. Well, I do want to
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  Speaker 1: talk a little dogs after darka with you, But we're
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  Speaker 1: coming out of the NFL Draft. I don't remember. I
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  Speaker 1: know I've asked you in the past. Was the draft
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  Speaker 1: a good or bad experience for you? As you remember it?
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  Speaker 3: It was just long.
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  Speaker 4: It was very different. You remember how it was. It
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  Speaker 4: was on the weekend and I wasn't drafted. Well, I
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  Speaker 4: was fortieth pick, but I wasn't drafted till like five
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  Speaker 4: thirty Pacific time. It was a long day because you're
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  Speaker 4: waiting around, and yeah, I was fortunate, but it was
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  Speaker 4: it was fun. I mean, you get a phone call
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  Speaker 4: and everyone's you get multiple phone calls throughout the day.
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  Speaker 4: They say they're gonna take you, then they don't. Or
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  Speaker 4: this coach calls you say we'd love you, but then
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  Speaker 4: he takes somebody else. I guess you didn't love me
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  Speaker 4: that much. So it is when it's over, it's relieving.
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  Speaker 4: And I think to all these guys that got drafted,
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  Speaker 4: Denzel to Carrio, Jonah and Carver and Season Santario and
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  Speaker 4: then uh Zach too. At the end, I mean, and
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  Speaker 4: anybody that got to that got a chance to get
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  Speaker 4: a free agent contract to go play and get a
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  Speaker 4: new camp invite.
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  Speaker 3: Man, it's a brotherhood.
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  Speaker 4: It's something that only a small amount of guys in
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  Speaker 4: this world have ever a compon. So it's a big
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  Speaker 4: deal to be part of this league and get this opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm very excited to those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, seven guys, seven Huskies drafted over the weekend of
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  Speaker 1: the seven. I'm gonna force you to only give me one.
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  Speaker 1: And yet I want you to tell me which guy
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  Speaker 1: that when you were watching them play for the Huskies
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  Speaker 1: these past year or years. You're like, that guy's got
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  Speaker 1: the real bright NFL future. You can only get me one.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's it's hard because if you think of all
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  Speaker 4: those guys that were drafted, you didn't see it. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't get a freshman that I watched all the
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  Speaker 4: way through. I know, that's so rare. Now we barely
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  Speaker 4: see a guy. We get a chance. And then I
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  Speaker 4: got to see a lot of Denzel, who I like
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  Speaker 4: a lot as a wide receiver. And how good was
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  Speaker 4: that twenty twenty three wide receiver room. Now when you
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  Speaker 4: see all the guys that were drafted, that's incredible. The one,
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  Speaker 4: the true I mean now I only got to see
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  Speaker 4: him for a year, and I got these are two guys,
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  Speaker 4: and you're gonna make me pick between two, and it's
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  Speaker 4: just it's really difficult because uh it's and can I
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  Speaker 4: just throw two names. It's to Carrio and Carver Willis,
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  Speaker 4: And I love where where Carver went because he's I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you got two guys and Ephesians both went to the
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  Speaker 4: forty nine ers. Yeah, and then to Carrio is just different.
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  Speaker 4: He is really different.
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  Speaker 1: A while.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I only saw you seven games.
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  Speaker 4: I saw one interception versus my boys that play for
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  Speaker 4: UC Davis, and I'm like, oh, this is gonna be great.
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  Speaker 3: And I didn't see him for forever.
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  Speaker 4: And then Carver got hurt versus Ohio State and he
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  Speaker 4: was a star war So it's just like these guys are.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's hard once you get into the league. Man,
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  Speaker 4: the ability is always just stay healthy. It's availability, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, you think that's why the average career, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not being a downer, the average career is two and
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  Speaker 4: a half years, Chuck.
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  Speaker 3: It's fast.
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  Speaker 4: So you just you hope that you get a chance
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  Speaker 4: to make a roster and then you can make an
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  Speaker 4: impact real quick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, you brought up Denzel right off
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  Speaker 1: the bat. I loved I don't know if you saw
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  Speaker 1: any of the draft coverage at all, but I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he was projected to be a first rounder for a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years and he ended up not going in
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  Speaker 1: the first round. And one of my favorite parts about
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  Speaker 1: the NFL Draft, one of the reasons why I love
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  Speaker 1: it so much, is to be able to watch people's
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  Speaker 1: dreams come true right before me. It's like seeing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Ty Pennington's home improvement show, you know, over and over
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  Speaker 1: and over the final result right to see people's reaction
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  Speaker 1: to seeing their dreams come true. And there's always a
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  Speaker 1: couple turns in the punch bowl that are angry where
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  Speaker 1: they went, even though they went in the top fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: things of that nature. But for Denzel to have gone
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  Speaker 1: two years kind of being projected as a first rounder
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  Speaker 1: and then having slipped into the second round, but when
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  Speaker 1: his name was announced, Cam, I mean, he was the
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  Speaker 1: happiest guy. His mom was happy, his dad was happy.
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  Speaker 1: They were just so happy and proud. I loved seeing
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  Speaker 1: that because I guess he would have had reason to
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  Speaker 1: have a few sour grapes that he had to wait
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  Speaker 1: all the way through Thursday, sleep on it Friday night,
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  Speaker 1: wait till sleep on it Friday, wait until Friday night
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  Speaker 1: to hear his name called, and yet to see the
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  Speaker 1: great reaction. I think says a lot about his character
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  Speaker 1: and also have a lot about his parents as well.
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  Speaker 4: It does, and it means a lot for all of them,
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  Speaker 4: and your spot with it, because projections don't mean anything.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I was in the same boat. I was
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  Speaker 4: projected to be here and this that, and you're sitting
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  Speaker 4: around listening people tell you how good you are, and
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  Speaker 4: then you're in. You know, you take thirty two dates
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  Speaker 4: when you go to the combine. It sounds weird, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm dating thirty two guys. I'm waiting for around, I'm
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  Speaker 4: waiting at teams and this coach says.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I kind of like you. I think I
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  Speaker 3: like you. I might buy you a cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 4: But then then they don't. They don't really like you,
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  Speaker 4: or they like this guy better. So to finally see
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  Speaker 4: your name go across that tick or that phone call
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  Speaker 4: that you get, it's it's just life changing. It's kind
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  Speaker 4: of like an emotional release where you finally say I've
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  Speaker 4: made it, but you really haven't made it yet. You
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  Speaker 4: just got the door is just cracked open. You get
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  Speaker 4: to be a rookie. You're gonna have to buy some donuts,
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  Speaker 4: maybe make a few rookie dinners. You're gonna have to
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  Speaker 4: prove all these old veterans. You have to stare them
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  Speaker 4: in the face and say hey, I'm here to take
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  Speaker 4: your job, and they're not gonna like it. So it's
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  Speaker 4: a pretty cool league, but it is a ruthless league.
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  Speaker 4: But to be a part of it, I'll say it
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  Speaker 4: over and over again. I'm happy for every single one
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  Speaker 4: of those men, because there's not many guys in this
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  Speaker 4: world that can say they got drafted into the league.
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  Speaker 3: And that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Cam Cleveland, he got drafted into the league. He's
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  Speaker 1: with US color analyst for your Washington Huskies right here
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  Speaker 1: on the huskies flagship Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
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  Speaker 1: He's visiting with US today, Dog's after Dark. The spring
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  Speaker 1: game's coming up on Friday night, and I certainly want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about that with Cam. But one last question
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  Speaker 1: it'll transition us into talking about the huskies upcoming team.
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  Speaker 1: Is with seven guys drafted, you're gonna have one of
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  Speaker 1: two reactions I think to that as a Husky fan.
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  Speaker 1: Number one is man Jedfish really is getting these guys
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  Speaker 1: ready for the pros. He's making good on his promise.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he said, I'm gonna get you ready for
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  Speaker 1: the pros. He got seven guys that he that's not
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  Speaker 1: a small number. Seven Huskies are now entering the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: In one draft or the other way, you could look
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  Speaker 1: at it as we had seven guys drafted, why weren't
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  Speaker 1: we just a little bit better than we were this
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  Speaker 1: past year. What's your reaction to that or situation.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I like always to be as blunt and as
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  Speaker 4: honest as I can. Is that you know, you look
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  Speaker 4: at who won a national championship with a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: six year seniors, veteran experience. You look at what Indiana did.
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  Speaker 4: Miami was very experienced. This team wasn't experienced enough, and
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  Speaker 4: the man who won the Heisman was the most experienced
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  Speaker 4: leader of them.
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  Speaker 3: All.
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  Speaker 4: This falls on you had a first year off it
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  Speaker 4: or defensive coordinator of coach Walters who came in changed
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  Speaker 4: the whole identity of the defense and they played very,
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  Speaker 4: very well. This is the year when you watch when
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  Speaker 4: you see the teams that win titles now and now
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  Speaker 4: that the Big Ten has solidified themselves as the best conference. Sorry, SEC,
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  Speaker 4: you can shout all you want, that's three straight national championships.
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  Speaker 4: I know you can cry a little bit, all those
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  Speaker 4: SEC honks in the Pacific Northwest. Yeah yeah, no, they're not.
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  Speaker 4: They're going to keep fighting with it. But this is
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  Speaker 4: about how your quarterback plays. It is and it's in
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  Speaker 4: big moments and in big games, and this isn't This
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  Speaker 4: is a challenge to anybody that plays that position. When
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  Speaker 4: you want to get to the top, especially now with
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  Speaker 4: eighteen teams, eighteen teams in this conference, you have to travel.
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  Speaker 4: Look what Oregon had to do, you know, not to
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  Speaker 4: bring up Oregon. They had to go back and forth
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  Speaker 4: and criss crossed the country and couldn't get it done.
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  Speaker 4: Physically abused, they were exhausted and worn out and they
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  Speaker 4: got exposed. And your best players to shine in those
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  Speaker 4: big moments. And this year, in big games, it's time
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  Speaker 4: for the guys that have the big paycheck and the
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  Speaker 4: big numbers to show up in those games. And that's
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  Speaker 4: what separates you and gets you into the college football
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  Speaker 4: playoff and takes you to a championship run.
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  Speaker 1: Cam Cleveland is with US former Husky tied in right
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  Speaker 1: here on Chuck and Buck in the mornings. All right,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about Friday. Give me a couple of names
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  Speaker 1: that you are excited about watching on Friday and are
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  Speaker 1: getting excited about based off of reports you're getting from
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  Speaker 1: spring football practice.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I like, of course, we know that Demon's not
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  Speaker 4: going to be hit, because that's that's kind of the
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  Speaker 4: quarterback situation. But the backup role, whoever it is, that's
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  Speaker 4: going to win the number two spot. I like the
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  Speaker 4: competitive side of Elizah Brown. Certainly, you know he comes
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  Speaker 4: in as a transfer from Stanford. But for me, this
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  Speaker 4: is a youth movement. These young the young freshmen. So
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  Speaker 4: there's two freshmen that I'm excited to watch. One is
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  Speaker 4: certainly Cody Green, a big time left tackle. He and
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  Speaker 4: John Mills the youth on the offensive line. That's what
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  Speaker 4: I think about what coach Switch has done with this
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  Speaker 4: offensive line, the flip and the turnover of big dudes
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  Speaker 4: that he has found, and what he's done with that
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  Speaker 4: group up front.
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  Speaker 3: Because you you just won't win any football games without
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  Speaker 3: an offensively. You won't will, you won't be You'll.
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  Speaker 4: You'll win occasional game against an average team, but in
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  Speaker 4: the big games, this is about young guys. And you're
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  Speaker 4: gonna put potentially a freshman, a true freshman at left
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  Speaker 4: tackle to start a season. That's gutsy or that means
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  Speaker 4: that that kid is really really good. So I know
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  Speaker 4: he's had a good spring and those are two young
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  Speaker 4: players that's good.
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  Speaker 3: The other ones are have One other freshman.
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  Speaker 4: Is Coleman Brusa and he's like he's I think he
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  Speaker 4: just turned what is he just barely turned nineteen eighteen.
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  Speaker 4: From he is young, he has a defensive line mentality
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  Speaker 4: and size. When you watch him play, he changes the
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  Speaker 4: d line as you can see. I really like the dudes,
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  Speaker 4: the big guys up front. I think that they're the
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  Speaker 4: ones that set the tone.
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  Speaker 3: And if you hear coach Fish talk.
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  Speaker 4: Chuck, all he talks about is we've gotten bigger because
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  Speaker 4: we've had to get bigger to win in the Big ten.
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  Speaker 4: And no pun intended, but you got you have to
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  Speaker 4: get size. And these are big freshmen, big young players. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: they're not the glamorous positions that everybody seems to really
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  Speaker 4: want to talk about. But those young freshmen are going
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  Speaker 4: to be game wreckers this year. And watch for those
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  Speaker 4: two names because those guys are going to be on
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  Speaker 4: the Every Freshman All American group by the end.
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  Speaker 3: Of the season.
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  Speaker 1: That's one thing you can't accuse me of. And that's
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  Speaker 1: just talking about the glamour positions. Let's talk quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: Why not.
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  Speaker 1: You're a teammate of Demand Williams. After what happened in
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  Speaker 1: the offseason where he nearly left town, tried to leave town,
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  Speaker 1: kind of came back to town maybe a little bit
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  Speaker 1: reluctantly if no other reason tail between his legs for sure,
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  Speaker 1: what is it that you want to hear from him
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  Speaker 1: as his teammate coming back into your locker room and
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  Speaker 1: then see from him as your teammate.
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  Speaker 4: Well, everybody gets this. It's a hard time for a
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  Speaker 4: lot of these guys. I'm not gonna admit that it's easy.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of voices in your ear. There's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people calling you. I know this happens, So
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  Speaker 4: I'm not scared just to just tell you and everybody
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  Speaker 4: the truth. Every phone call, every social media, you're reached
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  Speaker 4: out by agents, other coaches.
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  Speaker 3: There's tampering. We have the wild wild West.
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  Speaker 4: We're starting to get a little bit more structure in
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  Speaker 4: college football now. Rules are starting to come out. We're
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  Speaker 4: in line to get a commissioner. Soon, things will start
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  Speaker 4: to taper down. You now have a salary cap quote unquote,
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  Speaker 4: and then you have nil outside money. There's just a
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  Speaker 4: lot of distractions. So if I was if I was
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  Speaker 4: looking at every day, I'd want to see demand the
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  Speaker 4: first guy in the locker room. I'd want him to
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  Speaker 4: see in front of everybody at every opportunity, in every
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  Speaker 4: lifting event. I want him every time he looks the guys, Guys,
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  Speaker 4: I'm here to win a championship. I'm here to bust
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  Speaker 4: my ass to prove I want to be here. And
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't have to say it, he just has to
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  Speaker 4: show it. That's it. Outwork everybody, and then you're just
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  Speaker 4: you're humble and you're respectful, which he is. So that's
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  Speaker 4: all you want from your leader at the quarterback position.
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  Speaker 4: And then in the big moments, man, you make those plays.
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  Speaker 4: He has every one of those abilities to do it.
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  Speaker 4: He has a tremendous gift and talent. He was just
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  Speaker 4: caught up in what a lot of everybody gets caught
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  Speaker 4: up in. Anybody that's in business, is anybody that's caught
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  Speaker 4: up when money flashes in front of you, don't act
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  Speaker 4: like you wouldn't make a hesitation just a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm not excusing it, so because I don't know
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  Speaker 4: what We've seen situations throughout the country.
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  Speaker 3: About what happened.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm about players being having the opportunity to earn
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  Speaker 4: I don't have any problems with that. But when it
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  Speaker 4: comes down to the locker room, nobody's throwing dollar signs
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  Speaker 4: out and flipping money and open up bags because nobody
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  Speaker 4: cares how much money you have on game day, nobody
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  Speaker 4: either you can fight and win or you can't. It
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  Speaker 4: doesn't matter. You want to walk in with a shiny,
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  Speaker 4: shiny bag and some great looking jewelry and drive in
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  Speaker 4: a hot car, wonderful. I'm gonna hit you in the mouth,
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  Speaker 4: and whether you get back up and lead us to
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  Speaker 4: a championship, that's all that matters. Well, the guys in
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  Speaker 4: the locker room smell that out real quick.
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  Speaker 1: Who makes up for the production that you lose? With
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  Speaker 1: Boston and Coleman going to the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, that's a room that has to It's a room
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  Speaker 4: that when you lose that type of ability and you
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  Speaker 4: lose your which you know, there were points in the
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  Speaker 4: season where Denzel had to had to make more plays
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  Speaker 4: and he had some injuries too.
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  Speaker 3: Back and forth.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, I'm gonna watch a bunch of guys
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  Speaker 4: out there that are fighting for positions, young players, guys throughout.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think there's anybody that I look at right
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  Speaker 4: there and say he's gonna make up a ton of production.
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  Speaker 4: I think I mean there's the tight end positions got
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  Speaker 4: to step up, the backs, the running back room. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not gonna say it's better because you lose Jonah Coleman
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  Speaker 4: and you certainly you know you lose your top two
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: running backs. Now you're trying to replace it. I think
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: it's collective. Okay, it's a collective group. There might be
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: four or five guys that you're gonna have to be
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: able to throw the football to and move it throughout.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: But this is you're gonna have to run the football.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: Coach Graham's got his work cut out for him by
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: running the football.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you, if.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: You want to be have a big play wide receiver
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: down the field, that's fantastic. But we have to win games.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: We lost those big games against Ohio State, Michigan, Okay,
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: and in Wisconsin because we couldn't make a play at
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: the line scrimmage and that's that was the difference. So
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: those are those are going to be the important factors
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: heading into the season.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Are you are you going to or Friday? Are you
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: and Tony gonna see each other?
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm coming up.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna hang out Thursday with all us old guys
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: and talk about the old time. Okay, we had leathers,
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: leather helmets and and and we strapped it up and
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: then we're gonna walk around and watch the young players
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: play a little golf and then uh yeah, we'll have
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: some fun on Friday night. Man, it's gonna be great
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: the weather. How about the weather come on set? Yeah,
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: way to show out. Been waiting for the last thirty months,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: but finally you're gonna make some weather up here.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently it's gonna be like we're a little early
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: to the seventy eight eighty degree weather uh this year.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: So I know it's been a bit of a dreary winter,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: but uh yeah, we're right on point right now. Wonderful.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm excited.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: I'm excited to watch a lot of young player, young guys,
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: young players. Let's see what this depth has. Let's see
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: what these guys and the juice that this team pops
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: off the screen. Uh, it's a it's a good time
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: to watch, to see because everyone's well, you don't learn
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: much in the spring. Well, you open up your eyes,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: you're gonna see some guys really shine.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you sir for joining us. We
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: appreciate glad all is well and have fun on Friday.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: My pleasure. Thanks Juck appreciate it.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Can't Clee joining us right here on Chuck and Buck.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: And of course we got you covered on Friday, Dogs
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: after Dark. We're gonna make a pretty big deal out
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: of it. We got all our best people on it,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: so make sure you're tuned in for that Friday night.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: It's it's called Dogs after Dark, but most of it
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: is done in the daylight.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: Well yeah, because it doesn't get dark till like eight
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: thirty or nine now right.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Nonetheless, the concept.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: You know what, if we were further south it get
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: darker earlier.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: We'll pretend we won't wear sunglasses. There you go, okay
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: that way, and I'll play it on some.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Pajamas, yep, and a night cap.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: But it's this Friday and should be a lot of fun.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Used to be on the third day of the draft
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: almost every year with the third day of the draft,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: and they changed that a little bit, and understandably so.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: But so here we go. I mean, he's right, there's
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: football season and then there's waiting for football season, and
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: we got a lot of little events. The NFL does
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: an amazing job of filling that time so that it
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like you've been without football for very long
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and college football they do their best under their circumstances
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to kind of do the same. So this is a
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: little bit of an appetizer of what you've got upcoming
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: for the Huskies season. So Dogs after dark this Friday,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: and you can listen right here at KJR. Should point
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: out a little bit of breaking news for Major League
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Baseball here right before we brought Cam aboard, another manager
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: has been fired before the month of May. First, it
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: was Alex Cora of Boston. And not just any old managers,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, these are pretty significant names with significant franchises.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Phillies have also fired their manager. Rob Thompson
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: is out. He had done such a good job with
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: that veteran group in Philadelphia, but this year they are
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: off to a nine and nineteen start, and so something
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: had to change, and the Phillies have fired Thompson and
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Don Mattingly will take over as interim managers. So before
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: we even got to May first, two firings already at
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: managerial positions in Major League Baseball, and with two major
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: you know, profiled organizations. Yeah, it was supposed to be contenders. Yeah,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: they certainly have not played like that. By the way,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: all the controversy over Boston's firings, it seemed premature to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: me too. Craig Breslov said, we had to shake this
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: thing up. They've won every game since that time they won.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I guess it's just two and zero. But they've now
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: won three straight games in Boston, so maybe it will work.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Maybe it will shock the team into realizing they're better
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: than their record indicates. The Phillies were planning on winning
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the World Series this year and they're nine to nineteen.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the Mets are waiting for. I
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: was surprised Mendoza made it out of the off season,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and that wouldn't that be funny if that's where Steven
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Cohen draws the line with his finances, like Nope, no way,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: no way, I'm gonna blow that kind of money.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Nope, no, I gotta hang onto these funds.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I have a trillion dollar payroll because I was willing
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: to give anybody a billion dollars as long as they
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: played baseball. And I am drawing the line if paying
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: two managers at once, that's right, I will not. That
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: is not gonna happen.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: How am I gonna buy a sandwich if I'm paying
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: too many people too much money.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Alright, coming up next, speaking of baseball, do we have
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: a Luis Castillo problem? Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: So is the idea about this YouTube that I'm supposed
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: to interact with it, like I'm supposed to send text
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: messages during the show, or I'm just supposed to be
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: viewed visibly doing a radio talk show.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: You are not supposed to interact with them like necessarily
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: while you're on.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: You're they're just watching us do our normal show.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: You can, if you choose, go on and interact with
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: them and type messages.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: It's not that I'm choosing not to. I'm just not
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: in the habit of doing that right. And I don't
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: know if anybody's noticed, But we're down a player, so
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: been pretty busy, So I don't know if anybody thought
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to ask me exist, or I don't know if I
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: got a tutorial on how I'm supposed to be on YouTube.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: You have not, Yeah, no, you have not. And I
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: don't know what our company is expecting. I go on
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: there every day. I'm on, and I try to answer
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: questions or say hi.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: In the morning.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: There's what we have One person every morning that comes
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: on right there, the first good morning, and I say
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: good morning.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Oh nice.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: They've let us know of some issues that they would
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: like fixed on YouTube.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: We're working on.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: That sounds fair, sounds like that's in play.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: It's great, okay, Yeah, so you do whatever makes you
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: happy and comfortable.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I suppose I should start doing something. I don't know
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: if I'm doing.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: Enough, but I do feel like, yeah, would we are
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: down a person.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Everything is a little.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Busier, Yeah, a little busier, and so breaks are all busy.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: At this point, like we're trying our best here.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: So all right, well, you know, we'll talk about it after. Yeah,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: figure out what I can do other than just give
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you know, some smoldering look into the camera.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: Everyone's you know, what we could do is because that's
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: one thing people are They're like, what are you going
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: to do during breaks? It's just silence and there's just
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: a graphic. So we could just put the camera on
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: you during breaks. True, we could see moldering look.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I can give you somemoldering looks. But I'm actually doing
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: even more work in the break than I'm doing. Don't
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: realize live on the air, like you know, putting ducks
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: in order and everything else. I suppose you could watch
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: me prepare in the break. Maybe that is something. Yeah,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: or try to eat a protein yes with and get
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: all the seeds out of my mouth. All right, So
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: before I come on the airwaves, that's another thing that's
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: very challenging.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Next, I'm gonna leave the video on.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: There will be no mics, so there will be no audio,
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: and we'll just see what people think.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: It'll be like watching fish in an aquarium.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you've seen me do a lot of swishing
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: with water, it's because I'm trying to get the seeds
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: out of my mouth. By the time you see it
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: on YouTube, I'm ninety five percent there. Yes, Yeah, you're
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: not seeing all the dentistry.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: You can not see all the work that goes into it.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're throwing out the baby with the bath wall.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that applies process, but you can
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: roam my self. Dentistry in the break certainly could be viewed.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: If that's what we're here for. Yeah, you want to
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: see me, Well they're gonna get it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: They're gonna get a look at it. We'll see what
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: they think. All right.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Luis Castillo. This is getting to
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the point where we're getting beyond short sample size. And yes,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: it's early. I do know it's early, and I can
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: live with some rough results. I mean, I mean, I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: think this has been consistent from me. I think this
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: is why this stands out as being a little bit different.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I said, don't worry about Andres Munjos. Just last week,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I said, don't worry about Julio, Josh and Cal. I mean,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: what were my statements If you really think Cal Raley,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Julio Rodriguez and Josh Naylor are the three worst hitters
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: in the American League, than panic. Yeah, but I think
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: they're going to heat up, and I think when they
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: heat up, the team's gonna start playing better. That's exactly
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: what has happened. I said just last week, don't worry
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: about Andres Munjos. The velocity is fine. He's lost a
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: slider a little bit to feel for it that could
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: come back win one bullpen session. And what has he
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: done since that time? He's been good old Mooney Again.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I have not felt this way about a couple of
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: veterans on this team, JP Crawford, which will put a
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: pin in and say for another date. Yeah, Luis Castillo
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: is the fresher news. I am concerned about Luis Castillo.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, baseball's just become so such a young man's game,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: and I suppose so is football, and so is the NBA.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, the prime of a player's career used to
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: be the sort of the standard answer was twenty seven
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to thirty two. It is not anymore. It seems to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: be like twenty four to twenty nine is sort of
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the prime of a baseball player's career. Doesn't mean the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: guys can't be good beyond that. I mean we're seeing
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Aaron Judge still be at the top of his game,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and he's beyond that. And Cal you know, I don't
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: think Col's at the end of his window. And he's
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: what twenty nine years old, getting ready to turn thirty.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: So I don't think that it's you know, there's a
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: dramatic dropoff has to occur. But once upon a time
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: you were thought still being your prime around thirty two,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if that is the case necessarily anymore.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And so we're just seeing guys age a little faster.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: JP Crawford is a shortstop that was known for his
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: lateral quickness, he has none anymore. He has no latteral
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: quickness anymore. And then Luis Castillo, you know, I don't
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: know if it's age, but certainly he does not have
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the mix of stuff that we've seen him have in
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: the past. His velocity last night was ninety two to
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: ninety four. I mean, that's Casey Legumina territory, and we
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: just dfad him, okay. And I would also say another
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: problem that I have is that he doesn't trust his stuff.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, Luis Castillo as recently as this past year,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I was having conversations on the air with national broadcasters
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: that were suggesting his stuff so nasty. He's still the
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: ace of this staff. I didn't see that. I mean,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: he was not being used in big moments in the
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: postseason a year ago. For a reason. I think we
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: started to see the slip, We started to see the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: decline a little bit last year. Maybe he gets it back,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Maybe he is bothered by the cold weather. Certainly was
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: nasty night last night in Minneapolis. That doesn't help anybody's game.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: But I see somebody whose velocity is down three four
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: miles per hour, and he has such lack of faith
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: in his stuff. I mean he is working almost exclusively
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: on the fringes. I mean he is counting on people
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: swinging at bad pitches. I mean, that's what he's doing.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: His fastball up in the zone is usually like an
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: inch or two above the zone. That two seemer that
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: was so nasty when he arrived on the scene, and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: it would just dart away from lefties and dart in
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: on right handers with wicked movement. It doesn't have the
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: same movement. And he's also starting it on the outside
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: edge and breaking it outside of the strike zone. And
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the slider he never throws in the strike zone. So
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: what you saw last night not even from a good
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: hitting team, but a couple veterans sprinkled in there, and
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: obviously a good scouting report because the word's gotten out.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have the stuff to challenge you. So he's
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: working on the fringe. He's going deep in the counts
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: on nearly every batter that he faces. He's putting a
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: lot of traffic on the bass pads. And then once
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: he puts traffic on the bass pads, now I've got
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: to give into the hitter. And then when he does
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: give into the hitter, they're crushing him, and so it's
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: just a bad combination of things. The end result is
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: you got a guy with a six and a half
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: ERA that you are expecting to get a three and
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: a half er out of. So he's not the same
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Luis Castillo, I hope it is, through his words, just
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: a slump, but I do fear that it might be
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: more than that. I think maybe we've seen the slip.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Well, and my concern is obviously when yeah, when he's
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: going so deep in the count and he's giving up
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: the runs, that sounded weird, but a bucket.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Then.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know they were remarking yesterday how glad
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: they were he could come back out for the fifth inning,
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: but that for your starter, you need him throw the
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: fifth inning. I mean, that shouldn't be Oh thank goodness,
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: he came back out for that and he could go five.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, you're when you look at him compared to
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: the others who were going six, seven, eight, I mean
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: that that's.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Putting the tax on your bullpen right there.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: And then on top of it, even if if you
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: can get some of it back, I would worry, is
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: it going to be consistent or is it going to
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: be one game he's because I mean even last year
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: it was streaky. You know, he'd have one game where
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: he was really good and one game where he was
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: not really good.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: There are wins and there are losses, and you learn
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to kind of deal with that. That's baseball, you know.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you can pitch great and you can lose the game.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you can pitch great, give up a bunch of
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: bloops and suddenly you've given up six runs and you're
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: out of the game. Yeah, but it is another thing.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: It is a bad night at the ballpark for a
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: starting pitcher when your manager is basically saying, we need
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: you to eat innings like you already lost the game,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: right you all and it looked gross.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Just don't screw over our bullpen.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but now we need you to go out for
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: two more innings when you don't have your good stuff
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and throw as many pitches as you can to get
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: us through. That is a bad night at the ball yeah,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: for a starting pitcher. And so that's what he's been
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: dealing with more often than not this season. And he
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: is beloved, They love him, and he is the big
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: brother in that starting rotation. But here's the cold, plain truth.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Of it, and I want us to operate in cold
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: plain truths. This is an organization that has never been
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: to the World Series. This is an organization that is
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: believed to have the ability to get there this year.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: It's the only thing that matters, not how much you're
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: paying someone, not how much of a veteran they are,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: not how much they're liked in the locker room. This
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: is about putting the best players on the field. And
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: right now, Luis Castillo's not even our sixth best starter
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: in our organization, and Kate Anderson, I promise you is
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: better than Luis Castillo. Right now, he's the seventh best guy.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: So when Bryce is ready to come back to me,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Luis is the odd man out. And yeah, to your
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: point earlier, we'll put you in a long relief situation.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: That way, we don't shorten you up so much that
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: you know, you get out of the practice and the
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: habit and the conditioning to be a starting.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Pitcher in case they need him again.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, because you could need him again to pop back
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: in there, or if he starts to find his groom,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: then it's not a big transition back. But I don't
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: think it's a terrible idea to have the idea in
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: your brain that Luis Castile moves to the bullpen with
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: the idea that by the end of the season, regular season,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: maybe he can work in a high leverage role. Maybe
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: if he's going out for just three OUTSI game that
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: he's thrown his absolute stuff, not worrying about I got
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: to get through five or six innings. I'm throwing hard
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: as I can, with as nasty as stuff as I can,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: with the idea I got to get three outs tonight
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: without giving up or run. I mean, we've seen a
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: lot of long term starting pitchers transition at this stage
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: in their careers into really successful relief pitching stints. Dennis
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Eckersley became a Hall of Famer doing it. John Smoltz,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: who still regrets it to this day, became a hell
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: of a closer there for a couple of years, even
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: though he didn't want to make the transition. Maybe it's
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: something that you consider considering the numbers crunch that you
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: have at starting pitcher right now. But bottom line is,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: we're trying to win a World Series right now, and
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: if Bryce Miller's ready to go, Bryce Miller's better than him.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Emerson Hancock's better than him, Kate Anderson's better than him.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: And yet, are we really going to stand on ceremony
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: and try to protect people's feelings when we're trying to
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: win a World Series right now? Is that really in
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: the best interest of the team, just to make sure
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: that Luisa's feelings don't get hurt because he got demoted
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: to a different role.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: Well, and I think if you asked him, he wants
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: to win a World Series two, so he'd rather do
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: whatever's going to help make the team.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would hope.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, I mean starting pictures, don't. I think
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: what he would say is we're not even to May yet.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Let me get let me get some warm weather, let
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: me get into my rhythm. I'm in a slump right now.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I'll come out of it. I've been here before. I
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: think that's what he would tell you. I think there
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: are some indications that he's just not the same picture
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: this year.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just saying I could picture, you know, in August,
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: when you've got a really important game on the line
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: and you go to the bullpen and all of a
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: sudden you hear this as the doors.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Open and he comes out. Did he give you not
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: bad some dominance?
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not bad?
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: You go, you can picture it, right.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I could picture that. Yeah, and you got a year
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: and a half left with him.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: So he gets you your three outs that you need.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: He gives you the fist. There you go.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not overnight. You're not going okay today,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you're an eighth inning guy. You know, maybe it is
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: like this is the step back. Let's get you right.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: We're going to put you in long relief for a
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: little while. Maybe there. I mean, there's a way to
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: say it without hurting the feelings. There's a way to
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: transition this. But you know, yeah, by the end of
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: the year, that music starts playing, he's in a role.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: He comes out, the crowd goes wild.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you had another potential. I don't think it's crazy.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: No, me neither.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not ideal. It's not what we wanted
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: to have happened at the beginning of the year, but
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: we got a numbers crunch and I just don't like
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the idea of Well, Emerson still has options. No, even
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: though he's been our best pitcher this season, he still
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: has options listen to him.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: No doesn't seem fair.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I don't like right all right? Coming up next on
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: the radio program, did we learn something from our friend
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Rob Refschneider two days ago Sports Radio ninety three point
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  Speaker 1: three KJRFM. Oh, I just realized in the nine o'clock
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: where we're going to introduce both of my new features
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: for today. I never done them before.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: It's exciting.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had to change the schedule around a little
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: bit earlier, and now I'm looking at the nine o'clock
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: hour like, oh, we're going to do both of those
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: things in the nine o'clock How about that fun? Yeah,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: So we'll get to that here in a little bit.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: It is Chuck and Ashley with you. By the way,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: that we've already reported the breaking news that the Philadelphia
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Phillies have fired their manager Rob Thompson and are going
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: with Don Mattingly, so second to firing at a major
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: franchise that was expecting to win the World Series this year. Here,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: before we even get to the month of May, find
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: out that Alex Cora was offered the job by the Phillies'
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: crazy before they gave it to Don Maddingly, so Cora
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: was actually was out of work very long? Would I
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: would guess the Mets probably reached out to him too
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: to find out his availability. His reasons are too soon.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Too soon understandable.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: That'd be weird to just I mean, it's weird enough
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: when a player just swaps teams and is in a
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: different jersey the next day. Be weirder as a manager
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: to have an entire different roster to manage in two days.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: True, agreed. Buster Olney actually said on his podcast, and
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: maybe he knew something and wouldn't tell us trying to
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: look smart, I guess, but he said, is it out
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: of the question that there would be a trade that
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Alex Cora might be traded in season? That's I mean,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: we see lu Panella got traded for Randy Winn once
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: upon a time, but we've I don't know. I mean
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: that was off season, wasn't it. I'd have to have
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: my memory refreshed. I don't know. We've ever seen one
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: in season where a manager got traded from one team
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: to the other. But he floated that out there a
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: week ago. Sounds like you might have been able to
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: do it. Sounds like there would have been some interest. Yeah, no,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: maybe you should have explored that before you just fired
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the guy, trade Alex Cora for a second baseman to
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: the Mets. Who knows, but strange things there. Also, it's
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: been a very interesting year. I liked how Ashley put
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: this earlier this week about the ABS Challenge System. It
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: feels like, how did we ever live without it?
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Something to that, Yeah, basic, well, just how was it
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: that we would get to the end of the game
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: and it would just we didn't have any options before
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: it was just like, okay, that's what it is. And
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: that was less than a year ago that a game
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: just ended one.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Hundred plus years of major League Baseball without the ABS
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Challenge System, and now we're so spoiled by it that
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: we can't even imagine playing them one more game without it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: It just it does make that much of a difference.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I mean that it already popped up in the WBC
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: for goodness sake. We haven't even watched a game with
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: the ABS Challenge system at the major league level. We
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: were already feeling that way. So I've said throughout the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: course of the year that this thing's going to evolve.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think any team has its brain wrapped around
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: exactly how are we going to implement this. Did we
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: learn something from Rob Refschneider I said at the beginning
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: of the year, and Cal Rawley agreed with me in
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: spring training that it has to be situational. You have
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: to save it for opportunities to cash in. Tom Verducci
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: has felt the other way, and I love Tom Verducci.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Tom Verducci has said teams aren't challenging enough. Challenge every
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: single time, doesn't matter situation. I think that that's foolhardy.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but did you do that?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: That's what his suggestion was earlier in the season, that
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: teams weren't challenging enough, especially early in games. I think
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: we Rob Refsneinder may have stumbled into a little piece
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: of this mystery because he had two opportunities to challenge
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: on Sunday, and the first one he didn't because it
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: was early in the count and he was like, I
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: know that's a ball, and I know that I'm leading
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: off an inning and we could use the run right now,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna use that here. Just to be
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: up one to zero versus one, I'm just not going
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: to use it here. But once he got to one
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: two and we're late in the game. We're in the
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: ninth inning at this point. Once he got to one
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: and it happened to him again and it was a
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: little more obvious. Yeah, much more Yeah, But once he
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: got to one two, he's like, no, we're not doing that.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I know I don't have traffic on the base paths,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: but I'm not going to strike out on that bad
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: of a call. So maybe that's the first piece of
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: the evidence. Because we're seeing guys challenge with ooh counts.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: Doesn't make any sense to me, I mean, unless it's
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: that bad of a call.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, there is a big difference between and Bucky.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: You'll tell you this, from pitch to pitch being oh
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: one one oh, being one two two one, I mean
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: there's a big difference, big difference, get yeah, big difference
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: in how you approach the next pitch. And it is
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: a big difference. But is it enough to waste one
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: of those two pitches? To me, I think maybe it
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: has to be whether or not you're out or safe, Yeah,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: you get a new pitch, or you're you're going back
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: to the dugout. I think it's going to have to
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: start there. You know, situationally, you know you're right unless
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: you believe in your eye and it is blatant. Yes,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: But then we've seen a lot of We saw Cole
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Young do it last night. Cole Young missed could have
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: challenged early and didn't. He actually didn't challenge either time.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: He missed the one that was way out of the
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: strike zone, but he didn't do it early. And then
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the very next pitch was in the strike zone and
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: that's when he thought about challenging, and he would have
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: been over too. But if you've got one completely out,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: then you can do it whenever you want, but you
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: better be right, okay. And then other than that, it
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: does have to be situational. And so cal Rawley is
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: at the plate, bases loaded, you can use it whenever
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: you want, Julio, you can use it whenever you want.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: You know, first pitch, second pitch, whatever the case may be.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: We've got to score these runs. But when it comes
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: to bases are empty and I'm leading off an inning,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: the only time I'm allowing anybody to challenge a pitch
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: and they have to unless they unless they are for sure,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: is when it's a difference between walking back to the
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: dugout or getting another pitch.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Right or getting on base.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: Right if you're up three and that and you're like, well,
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: I know that was a ball, you're calling it a
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: strike and that's going to put you on base?
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, yes, agreed. Yeah, something tangible, some tangible effect, Yeah,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: has to take place. I don't want to see any
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: more challenges oh oh leading off an inning you can
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: work around? Oh one.
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: Yes, you better be able to exactly, you better be
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: able to work around.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Oh one.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: We're not going to burn. We're not going to burn
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: a challenge there. And I tell you what, if you
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: just continue to miss these, we'll take it away from
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you entirely, you know. And so I think we're seeing
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: the evolution. I still don't know where it's going to
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: end up. I think every team is still kind of
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: baffled on how to use it when to use it.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: But maybe Rob Refschneiders at bat gave us a little
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: clear indication of how to handle that. The only time
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: we're going to challenge early in account is when it's
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: overly obvious, and then really, what we want you to
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: do to lead off an inning. You can only challenge
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: when it's a difference between another pitch and going back
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: to the dugout or getting on base and another.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Pitch, right, yeah, I think that's fair.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Coming up next on the program, we are in the
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: aftermath of the draft, that's right, the groundswell of the
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: drafter math. And so how are we feeling. We're going
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: to share some thoughts next. Sports Radio ninety three point
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