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Men! Are You Being Seen As Creepy? You Need To Approach Women Anyway! | Maintaining Frame 58 · Honey Badger Radio

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Hello everybody and walk on Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian who Allison,
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and I hope you guys are doing well this Friday evening. Uh,
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this is maintaining frame number fifty eight. Men, are you being seen as
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creepy? You need to approach women? Anyway, we're gonna be looking at
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um. Well, actually, there was an article from Evy magazine, but
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it's kind of old, from like twenty twenty two. I guess they sort
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of like read Yeah, I guess not. I mean I but but it's
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also been uh, sort of like Redone a couple of times. So I
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have one from the Poist post Millennial because the Eving one I have to have
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an account and I didn't Post Millennial. Isn't post millennial supposed to be like
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alright or something? No, well, I'm sure that the mainstream media would
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say that. But no, it's just a it's just a right wing website.
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I guess right. I think so, because you can't really tell lists
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reading the articles that they wrote or they put out on their blog. Yeah,
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well I got that kind of kind of bitter cat lady Flint unless well,
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I don't know if it's like a word for word thing. But ev
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is definitely like a you know, like a trad con website that a woman,
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I think a woman runs it. The one I'm looking at is from
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Medium, So oh that's the blog that Yeah, so that one's the most
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recent. That's why I brought it out because it might be it might be
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the same, but it doesn't really matter. They're probably all sort of pointing
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in the same direction, right, So, but yeah, so we got
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this blog. It's a Medium blog from someone named Jessica Wildfire, which I'm
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sure is her real name and not the name of her of her Harry Potter
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character, and some like mml or something this this is my Hary Potter prey,
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yeah, not her LARP character from some like I don't know, like
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what what are the forum rp G stuff? That was like a thing we
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did years ago. That's cringe. Yeah, I don't know if people do
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that anymore. I don't did, but I don't. Okay. So we
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had like three articles, right, So, one was originally from Evie.
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Ye you, Evie's a little bit more traditionalist. Um Interestingly enough, it
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probably had the techamiest tamest take. I am sorry, Oh gosh, my
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dog is looking directly at me as he barks, I don't hear it.
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You don't hear it, Okay, I don't hear right. Well, then
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i'll just I'll just I'll just plow. Try try to ignore him. How
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about that, try to ignore his demands? Okay. Um, so we
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got the more traditionalist Evie take, which is interestingly like are they really traditionalist?
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Because it was the most it would have to say. It's sensible and
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mild take of all of them, because there are basic conclusion was, well,
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wow, if women aren't approaching hey ladies, let's approach them. Yeah.
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Yeah, well, I mean that's that's that sounds um about right,
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Like I think that some times people figure that shit out. Yeah, I
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mean that's you know, like they figure it out. So, yeah,
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they figure it out. They come on a sensible solution. They managed to
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for a moment stop the the the knee jerk. Men must be responsible and
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women can't take action to ameliorate this issue because only men can that kind of
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jerk over everything and actually say, hey, wait, way, any women
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have the ability to change this thing that they constructed in the first place.
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Uh yeah, And then and then I don't know about the one from the
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post millennial what kind of flavor it had, but definitely the one from Wildfire
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on Oh yeah, sure, Yeah, it's a little, a little hilariously
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bitter and self contradictory. So which which one are we going today? Brian?
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I don't know, Like I did find the I did get a archive,
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like for the Evy magazine version, um, since that's the one that
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was brought forward originally, but it is from September of twenty twenty two,
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I guess not that long ago. But you want to the medium one,
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Okay, yeah, honestly, if we have to choose, but I honestly
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I haven't seen the post millennial one, so I don't know the flavor of
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it. But I would say the Medium one, compared to the Evy one,
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is going to have the most lulls. Okay, so then we'll look
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at the medium one. Uh, this is a blog. So I have
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a feeling that this person is gonna like try and like you know, disgorge
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your it. No, just like yeah, like like basically do the writer
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thing, like like she's telling a story and you know what I mean,
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Like she it's like I know, like I am a film novelist. Yeah,
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I'm going off through my inability to right yep, instead of just making
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Okay, let's get into the article. So this is from Medium and written
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by Jessica Wildfire, and it is entitled more than fifty percent of men are
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scared women will find them creepy. There's a simple solution. I wonder what
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she's going to propose. All right, hey, what about her? It
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came from some dude talking about my mom to one of his buddies. I
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was standing in line with her at the post office. I was eight.
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They leaned back and watched us. They started making comments about me. My
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mom told me to ignore them. Eventually they walked off. They called us
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boring. In college, this guy used to come to my favorite coffee shop
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almost every day. He bought a nice tea. He found a table across
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from a cute girl and stared at her until she got uncomfortable and left.
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Sometimes he stared at me until I food moved into another room. Then he
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stood beside the espresso machine and stared at the barista. She couldn't leave.
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Nobody believed they could do anything to stop him. How about the breeze to
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say you're within me? The safety limit of the espresso machine. You know
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it might blow up. So none of these women could you stare back and
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pick their nose? Just look, get it up into the knuckle, wong
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streaming, then eat it. How do they even know they were he's staring
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at them? How do they know he's not spacing out or staring at something
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else? Yeah, that's the other thing, like, how do you know?
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Yeah? How do you know? How do you know he's not severely
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myopic? And all you are is a pink blur that could be a woman.
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It's just more, it's so funny how how women know what what men
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mean to do? When men do anything, they know exactly why they're doing
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it. You know, he's staring at me. Why did nobody believe they
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could do nothing to stop and why did anybody attempt to just go up and
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say, hey, nothing could be done, stop staring. It was his
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thrall. I mean, he had a low level Thrall he could do is
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make women feel uncomfortable and not like throw their panties at him. Okay,
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this I see. He needs the upgradest thrall. Yeah, he needs to
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love up his thrall. So he's trying to use it. But I was
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just like, this is definitely a different world. It's a it's a it's
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a window into a very interesting world. Yeah at it. A couple of
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weeks ago, I said, I told the story about how at my mom's
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funeral, her her feminist friends said that she never needed feminism. I wonder
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if this is if this is maybe the big, big controversy or the big
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conflict all this time has been I'm just a woman who doesn't need feminism because
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it seems like the solution is really simple. In fact, I've had uncomfortable
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experiences with men, or not even with men, just like been in a
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situate well, okay, I'll just lay it out, all right. So
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you know how in conventions they have these like slave options, you know what,
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and they and they put put people up there and they bid on them
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and at one of these things, this may be something that they had.
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We didn't like the nineties and the early audies or whatever you call them,
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and we don't do that anymore because everybody is terrified of offending people. But
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anyway, so I was sitting in the audience of one because I just you
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know, I was at this convention and was helping out and I was watching
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this go down, and there's these two guys in front of me who were
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making a series of rude comments about how I'd pay a penny for her and
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blah blah blah. And I mean, these weren't incredibly attractive women. Some
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of them were actual guests, so they were authors, you know, and
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people who were important in the fandom. And I just leaned forward and I
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said, go up there and I'll bid a nickelum one of you. And
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they shot up instantly, and it's like, can none of you ladies do
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that? Like can you not just say stop staring? You're making people uncomfortable
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unless you're unless you you have an IQ under seventy, you know, stop
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doing it. Shouldn't have to Allison, shouldn't have to. Yeah, but
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this isn't like this is just being human, isn't it? Well again,
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like no, I mean I don't see. First of all, I'm not
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even certain that this happened. You know, this is like one of those
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things you okay, But if we have to take it at face value,
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that like there was a man who sat at a table that was across from
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a cute girl and stared in her general direction until she got uncomfortable and left,
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then we you cannot assume that he found that table and sat there purposefully
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to be across from that girl and stared at her purposefully to make her uncomfortable
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so that she left like that, that like, you can't you can't do
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that, but I will. I mean, you said this is some kind
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of what was it a conflict or a con something? It's some kind of
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con It's a con that's for sure, you know. Invention, It's like,
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how why can't they just if somebody's being rude, why can't they?
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I mean, and I do this with women too, if women were being
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rude, I guess I don't know, Yeah, I mean people except yeah,
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this was like a women or a majority woman convention in the slave auctions
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of men, and this woman was being disgusting. Sure, and I just
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know I just looked at her and I just laid the most agress Like I
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don't know how to describe it, but you just lay weight into your fucking
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look. She shut up, Like can you not do that? Well?
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You know, I mean you the barista. Can she not say, um,
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move along, get out of the lane and customers? You know,
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she has she no ability if she feels like comfortable to call somebody else to
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help out, Like, why is this? Why is this? Why does
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it feel like we're peeking into the realm of women who don't exist, don't
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have a corporeal existence. They're just sort of floating through life on the whims
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and the winds of everyone else. Why standard that would be Oh yeah,
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that would be hard to believe. I don't Yeah, it's misogyny to do
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that. Um, so okay, I'll I guess I'll read a little bit
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more. Sure, Yeah, nobody, nobody believed they could do anything to
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stop him. He had a right to be there, after all, Like
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it's some kind of concession, like I guess he has the right for now.
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You know, one time a stranger grabbed my friend's arm as she was
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walking into a restaurant. He almost yelled, you're so beautiful. She almost
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he almost yelled. Yeah, what did he yell? No? I mean
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maybe he just said you're so good loudly. He might have just been a
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loud guy, or maybe it was noisy and he was he wanted to make
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sure that she could hear him. Brian read the sentence. He almost yelled
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you're so beautiful, which means he didn't yell that, right, he almost
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oh? Or that? Or was he not loud? Like, is that
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what she's trying to say. I think she's trying to say that he was
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speaking loudly but not necessarily yelling, so it was like bordering on, you
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know, maximum discomfort. But instead it was just somewhat uncomfortable, because when
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you say he almost yelled, I think she's saying his volume wasn't quite at
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the level of yelling, but it was like it was he was his voice
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was raised, you know, that's the end of the story. And then
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she screamed she should not have been she should not have been like had like
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he should not have had the right to do any of that, to give
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her a compliment, grab her by the arm, which I again, I
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you know, I have to we have to accept Let's pretend that all of
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this actually happened. I don't see how a man would would do any of
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this in this fucking climate, like touch a woman, knowing that he could
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just get thrown in jail for that. But let's pretend, um, did
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you die? Like you know, like this, I feel like this story
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stops too abruptly. Yeah, it's not over. Yeah, next, like
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was he dragged out in the parking lot and beaten to death? I think?
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Is this writing? Is this writing in the current year? Is what?
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This is? Literature? Terrible? What happened next? What happened next?
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A man stepped out of line? What happened next? Nothing? Well,
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it ended because she screamed and but then like he probably apologized profusely,
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assuming this even happened. He probably apologized profusely, hung his head in shame,
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and walked away. Probably. But then if she said that, that
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would if she said that that had actually happened, then you know, this
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story wouldn't have any impact because the man would feel resentful for what he had
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done. If if something, if he if she could hang something more on
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men. She would be describing things happening after scream. Yeah, exactly.
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He some dude stepped up and said, hey, stopped making her uncomfortable,
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or he shuffled off and apologized yeah, or something, or the cops came
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and killed him, you know, or something. Right, if the rape
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gang tap danced out of the fucking I said yeah, we're going to get
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you that that would have been in your anecdote. I'm pretty sure. No,
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it didn't happen. No, So this, this is this is the
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thing they always in the anecdotes with the woman's reaction, but the worst,
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worst part, like that's it. Everything else it's probably just everybody was like,
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oh my god, you made that woman's scream, you know, and
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he apologized, someone beats him up, and the life moves on. It's
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not just everything after that, but also everything leading up to that, because
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like, what if they were talking and he wanted to tell her something but
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they had already been talking before. What if they were flirting? I mean,
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I don't know, right, what if her scream wasn't like a fear
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scream, maybe her scream was like a squeal, like a you know,
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like a oh you know like that, Like, how do we know,
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because there's no I don't, I don't. I don't buy it, frankly,
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I mean, I just don't buy it. But you know, uh,
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if we have to accept it, it's just it's just like this,
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this moment in time that has nothing that happened before and nothing that's happened after.
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So it's like in a vacuum, and we're supposed to like feel a
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certain way about But yeah, is that he touched your arm? He grabbed
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your arm, Okay in a restaurant, so it's probably nothing is going to
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happen. I don't think he's going to be dragging her out in this public
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place, so he just grabbed her arm. Okay, Well can we uh,
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let's okay in a boundary invasion for a moment. What can we do
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with the fact that women think they're entitled to a hell of a lot more
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than that? Yeah, really with men and other women. I have experienced
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a lot more disgusting unwanted attention from women than men, and they seem to
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think that they have every right to do it. So maybe we can have
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that discussion about women before we continue to start saying that men grabbing your arm
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or touching your arm is such a frendous assault. Can we can we can
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we deal with the other ship that women think that they're entitled to first we
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have that conversation, you know, yeah, but anyway? And also can
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we can we start recognizing that feeling like you have the right to touch another
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person is actually less It's less likely to be a man's going to think that
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than a woman in my experience. So if you want to have this conversation
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about entitlement to other people's bodies, I think we need to stop pretending like
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it's only men that need to have that conversation that need to be told.
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And in fact, I think for the most part, men know that they're
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not entitled to touch other people's bodies. It's women that don't know and men
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who have some kind of develop developmental delay. Shall we say, yeah,
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but anyway. I'm just putting like, the whole framework of this is,
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even if these things happen, even if they're true, they don't say anything
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more about men than they say about women with similar levels of entitlement. That's
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what I'm getting at and yet he's trying to say, oh, this is
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this is only about men. Bullshit, It's not only about it's about there's
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a certain class of people, which in my experience is majority female, think
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they can touch you and it's unpleasant, especially if you're like socially having social
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anxiety. Okay, so this is not a man thing. It's a human
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thing, and it's often a woman thing because they think that they can touch
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anyone who they please, and they can't, and they need to learn that.
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I wish there was a big goddamn psa. Ladies, It's not okay
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to have sex as someone who's unconscious. It's not okay to touch people when
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they're actively trying to get away from you. Okay, stop trying to kiss
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people as they push you away except the word no. And don't think that
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a person is just not cool, you know, not having fun, uh
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gay. Don't use all that shit to to to shame people for it for
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not wanting to be touched by a woman. Okay, yeah, anyway,
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anyway, but you said this is the framework. The framework is that this
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is a problem that only men do. Yep, yep, yep. Ok
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all right, Uh, you see these stories all over the internet. A
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man blocks a woman in her parking space so we can get her phone number.
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Man follows Yeah, no, noot. A man follows a woman into
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the locker room to ask her out. Oh, absolutely not want a woman
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in her parking Maybe maybe in the realm of a woman. A man follows
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a woman into the locker room to ask her out. Well, guess what
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he's going to be removed by the police. Yeah, like, don't be
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like your god, You're no getting into the realm of absolutely retarded or detarted.
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Yep. A man flags a wing down, hands her an explicit poem
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about her body. A man follows a woman in his truck while she's out
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jogging. Why are you watching too many movies about stalkers because that sounds like
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this one with Russell Crowe. Um that I saw. I forgot what it
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was called, but it wasn't good. Okay. Women are harassed constantly.
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They try to talk about it. You know, you see this, you
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see this facing? Do you see this? Yes, I see she's good.
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She's doing her eleventh grade writing class. Oh, it's it's so fraught.
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You gotta do The women or her harassed constantly. They try to talk
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about it. Nobody listens. Jesus Christ has has anyone stopped listening to women?
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Really? I think that we're in this I think this we're in this
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mess because we listen to women too much. So listen to miracle women too.
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Yeah, the wrong women, the loudest women, you know, whereas
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like a large number of women are silent on things. Um, but they're
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gonna have to start speaking up because these loud women are kind of ruining it
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for everybody. Well, a lot of like these women are terrifying in some
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ways, the ones that play victim constantly, they're really they can be pretty
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scary. Women like this woman's probably got some people in her life are absolutely
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terrified of her. Let's be fair, because there's this quality that these women
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who play victim have that they make you doubt your own mind. Yeah,
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and they also weaponize other people against you. So women like this, the
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women who women who writes this article, I I would guarantee that she's got
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a couple of people who are who are absolutely shitting terrified of her. And
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that's why nobody wants to confront these women because they're scary ms. Probably also
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why she might be like she might not have a lot of friends. Okay,
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nobody listens. Well, the internet has found a new problem for us
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to solve, apparently, so you know, only women have to solve these
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problems. Apparently, more than fifty percent of men avoid interactions with women.
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They're scared to ask them out, they worry about looking creepy. Somehow,
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it's women's fault. Women don't hit on men enough. They don't make men
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feel welcome. They something something something who knows who? Lad? Okay,
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So when men approach women, you don't like it because they're apparently harassing you
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and blocking you off and grabbing your arm and doing like all this fucking Clark
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Gable nineteen fifty shit to you, which only you experience for whatever reason.
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But when they don't do it and they say, you know, this is
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actually like we get like we can lose our jobs if we talk to women,
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get arrested if we talk to women and they don't like our approach or
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they don't like what we look like or whatever, And that's also women's fault,
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like like like she doesn't want to deal with that either. You know,
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I don't know what you want. What do you want, lady?
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Do you just want like, anyway, go ahead, out, Okay,
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let's let's get no. I just I just um okay, So you know,
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I'm this is a really interesting sort of situation. I mean, she
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goes on and on and on, like obviously likes the sound of her own
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voice. M it's a little bit further down that I want to make the
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comment, but I want to talk a bit about the context of this.
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So there was a study done that found that fifty three percent of men,
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single men and forty four percent of married men avoid interacting with women. That's
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this article my ideas dot ted dot com. What makes a person creepy and
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what purpose do our creep detectors serve? A psychologist explains, No, Nope,
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that actually is giving a little bit even more deep lore that gives you
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even more context of the word creep and what it actually means. I can
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get into that as well. We can look at that. It might be
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worth it, it might be Is it just us like man who I don't
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find attractive? Is that basically what it is? Yeah? Basically, yeah,
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basically. But let's let me clarify all this. So there's a study
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that was done by I think his name is Mark Traverse, Um, I'd
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have to I'd have to double check that. Um and uh. He found
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that fifty three percent of single men do not want to interact with women or
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don't interact with women, and forty four percent of married men do not interact
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with women out of fear of being called creepy, and something like a eighty
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two percent of women experience behavior that they define as creepy. Soh yeah,
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it's Mark Travers. Okay. So he did this study and which is really
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interesting because when you think about it, interact with women doesn't mean approach.
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Okay, So they don't even want to interact with women. That means they
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don't want to talk to women at the workplace. They don't want to say
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to a woman in an elevator, could you hit number fifteen, They don't
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want to ask a woman for time. They don't want to approach a woman
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when they need something, as in a context of part of their job,
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that kind of stuff. They don't want to interact with women, even platonically,
27:38
even politely, even in passing. So probably the number of men who
27:44
are not going to approach women is significantly higher than fifty three percent, But
27:48
that was what was asked apparently, and I can't fund the study to ascertain
27:52
exactly, so I wanted to point that out. So the number of men
27:59
who probably we aren't approaching women is probably higher than fifty three percent. Hopefully
28:03
married men aren't doing too many approaches. But regardless, Now what Mark Travers
28:11
says, he goes to women and he asks, well, what are the
28:14
behaviors or what do you consider to be creepy? And these women Laced listed
28:19
nine behaviors that men should avoid. Some are more obvious than others. The
28:25
complete list is staring one staring too, unwanted contact on social media? How
28:30
do you know what's unwanted until you do the contact? You know what?
28:33
Whatever? Three inappropriate comments for controlling behaviors. How do you have controlling behaviors
28:40
before you're in a relationship? Ye know? Six unwanted physical contact, seven
28:45
pressure for sex, eight clingingness, and nine physical stocking. Okay, physical
28:52
stocking is illegal. That shouldn't be classified as creepy, that's criminal. Clingingness
28:57
is yeah, my dog is clinging. It doesn't make him creepy. But
29:02
but well, the thing is too is that how are you creep How can
29:04
you be clinging? If you if you're meeting someone. Yeah, I mean,
29:10
like, yeah, how much you know, I guess it would be.
29:14
And a lot of this it's also subjective, Like honestly, it's just
29:18
none of this matters if it's like, look, if it's if it's a
29:21
hot dude, he can do all that shit if she finds him a hot
29:26
Yeah, So go ahead. I'm sorry, Oh yeah, no, that's
29:29
okay. I'm just saying that, like unwanted, So two, unwanted staring
29:33
is also subjective, inappropriate comments, subjective, unwanted physical contact, subjective pressure,
29:40
subjective, clinginess, subjective. So we're we're left with a whole bunch
29:45
of subjectivity, all right. And I wanted to clarify something about this because
29:49
they're framing this. This guy, Mike Travers, is framing this exactly wrong.
29:55
Yeah, he says that men are afraid of being called creepy. What's
30:02
my opinion? Looking at this through the lens of being able to see through
30:07
the gender roles of our society, um and look at the pressures underneath,
30:14
I would say that what men are doing, I mean, people haven grab
30:17
me if I'm wrong, is that they are avoiding interacting women because they do
30:21
not want to be dehumanized by them. No, so we can say,
30:26
oh, they don't want to be seen as creepy. No, they don't
30:30
want women dehumanizing them. I'm gonna I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go a
30:33
little bit. People are gonna be like, oh, you're going too far.
30:37
Um the behaviors that are used to remove sympathy from a group of people.
30:47
And I'm gonna use the example of Nazi Germany and Jewish people because this
30:52
is the r example. Now, you didn't they didn't start by simply saying,
30:56
oh, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna do things to the
31:00
Jews because they're Jewish. They started by saying, oh, Jewish people hate
31:06
Germany and Germans. They're antisocial, they're creepy, they're sexually creepy, they're
31:12
criminal. Okay, so that's that that is the thin edge of the wedge,
31:17
right, That's where you start when you want to start to isolate and
31:21
ostracize a group of people. So by the time you get to rounding them
31:25
up, all the Germans think is that there there are criminal people that have
31:30
engaged in unlawful activities against you know, the motherland. Right, So you
31:36
start with the thin edge of the wedge, that kind of that kind of
31:40
assertion of being creepy, antisocial, and criminal. And what these men are
31:48
doing is they are avoiding interactions with women because they don't want to be called
31:52
creepy, antisocial, and criminal. They don't want to be subject to a
31:57
dehumanization by women. They don't want to be have this abuse inflicted on them.
32:02
So they're avoiding interacting with women. I mean, approaching women. We're
32:06
not even talking about that anymore. They're avoiding interaction interactions with women because they
32:09
don't want to be dehumanized. And the way that he's framing this is,
32:15
oh, well, if you just avoid these behaviors, you won't be dehumanized.
32:19
Well that's bullshit. First of all, it puts the onus on the
32:22
people who are being victimized. I'm going to use that word victimized because if
32:27
this was this was a situation where women were afraid of men, because if
32:31
something men were saying, we would say that that is bad. Okay,
32:37
all right, And that's what's happening here. Men are avoiding women because they
32:43
don't want to be abused by them, all right, And you can you
32:47
can point to these behaviors all you like, But you're exactly right when you
32:51
say, Brian that it's about attractiveness. And that's where this other article comes
32:57
in, the ideas ted dot com. Oh this, oh yeah, the
33:02
Ted one? Sure? Okay, yeah? What makes a person creepy?
33:07
I have it up? And what purpose do our creep detectors serve? A
33:09
psychologist explains, Is there a way to boil it down? Or should I
33:15
read it through? It's kind of long, but yeah, it down?
33:21
Okay? Should I read a specific paragraph do you want me to go to?
33:24
Or should I just read from the beginning? Okay to oh here we
33:30
go. Interestingly, almost all of the participants stated that men were more likely
33:35
to be creepy than women. Participants rated the following as the most likely characteristics
33:39
of a creepy person. A person stood close to your friend. The person
33:45
had greasy hair. A person had a peculiar smile. A person had bulging
33:50
eyes so like deep bushemmy, all that sounds like step bushemy. The person
33:53
had long fingers. The person had unkempt hair. The person had very pale
34:00
skin. The person had bags under his or her eyes. The person was
34:04
dressed oddly. The person licked his lips or her lips frequently. The person
34:08
was wearing dirty clothes. The person laughed at unpredictable times. The person made
34:13
it nearly impossible for your friend to leave the conversation without appearing wood rude,
34:17
I'm sorry, wood. And the person relentlessly steered the conversation towards one topic.
34:23
Yeah, so basically one, two, three, four to fourteen.
34:28
The person is autistic. Um, okay, so there's one. There's one,
34:35
maybe one or two. Behaviors stood too close, steered the conversation,
34:40
wouldn't let a person leave. Okay, those are the behaviors that were rated
34:45
creepy. But let's go down a little bit further. All right, you
34:50
down to ok But can we really tell from a care it is? But
34:54
can we really tell from brief encounter whether someone is trustworthy or whether they're likely
34:59
to hurt us? We make our judgments about trustworthiness within thirty nine milliseconds of
35:02
seeing a face. One of my favorite, albeit tiny studies on whether we
35:07
can accurately judge a person by their face comes from a two thousand and eight
35:10
paper from Stephen or Stephen Porter and colleagues at Dalus Dalhousie University Canada, Dalhousie
35:19
University, Canada. A Participants were asked to raid I just said A.
35:22
Participants were asked to raid thirty four photos of adult male faces on trustworthiness,
35:29
kindness, and aggressiveness. Half of the photos were of trustworthy people and the
35:32
other half were of untrustworthy people, and the photos in the two groups were
35:37
matched in terms of facial hair expressions, and ethnicity. The trustworthy people in
35:42
the photos had either received the Nobel Peace Prize or the Order of Canada for
35:46
their devotion to humanity, peace and society. The untrustworthy came from America's most
35:52
Wanted list. They were all people, including justice for extremely serious crimes.
35:58
The authors wrote, in the unlikely event that a participant recognized the face,
36:01
they were to tell the experimenter, but none of the thirty four targets were
36:06
recognized by any participant. It's a shame. Maybe we need to organize a
36:10
Nobel laureate reality TV show. Should I keep going? All? Right?
36:15
In this experiment, participants did slightly worse than if they'd flipped a coin.
36:20
They correctly identified forty nine percent of the wanted criminals as untrustworthy. However,
36:27
they were slightly better, with the Nobel laureates reading them as trustworthy sixty three
36:31
percent of the time. The authors concluded that to make their judgments, people
36:37
were looking for signs of kindness or regressiveness in the faces of those they were
36:40
evaluating. Tying together the original creepiness study and the Nobel Laurier study study,
36:46
a twenty seventeen paper found again that creepy people were generally thought to be lanky
36:52
men with poor hygiene who behaved awkwardly. The Canadian researchers also tested fifteen photos
36:58
from the Nobel Laurier study to learn about trustworthiness. One important feature is attractiveness.
37:05
Attractive people were deemed to be trustworthy, be they Nobel laureates or criminals.
37:09
This is an example of the halo effect, a deeply rooted bias where
37:14
we assume that people who are more attractive are generally more trustworthy, ambitious,
37:17
healthier, etc. And it has a flip side. The devil effect leads
37:22
us to believe that people who are undesirable in one way are likely undesirable in
37:27
other ways. Yeah, keep going. According to other studies, people who
37:30
are perceived as unattractive are on the whole less likely to get good jobs and
37:36
get reasonable healthcare. In a study I did in twenty fifteen with my colleagues
37:39
at the University of British Columbia, we found that unattractive and untrustworthy looking people
37:45
were convicted of crimes by mock jurors with less evidence, and they were less
37:49
likely to be exonerated after evidence that proved their innocence. Other researchers have found
37:53
that having an untrustworthy face makes it more likely you'll be given a harsher criminal
37:58
sentence, such as the death penalty. There's one particular facial feature that we
38:05
zoom in on when we assess strangeness. In the McAndrew and Coke study or
38:09
Cokene study I think, or Coke whatever, eighty percent of participants said creepiness
38:15
was all about the eyes. Of researchers went on to conclude that definitions of
38:19
creepiness tended to revolve around the theme of differentness, whether it's from birth,
38:24
injury, or boss surgery. Most of us don't choose to have creepy faces.
38:29
Yet we know that humans have long abused people who look different. Why
38:31
does this happen? Okay, okay, all right, So the predominant thing
38:39
that differentiates and creepy is almost invariably used against men. The predominant thing that
38:46
differentiates creepy from non creepy is physical attractiveness. Okay, maybe hygiene, but
38:54
mostly eyes, the physical appearance of your eyes. Right, So this is
39:00
a physical This is a physical judgment. And when they talk about behaviors,
39:07
they don't mean that they think that that's what's making them feel creepy, But
39:12
most likely it's the actual physical appearance of the men engaging in the behaviors.
39:16
We look at the Christian gray thing. I did all of that and still
39:21
considered to be sexually desirable. But as long as you are a man who
39:29
is conventionally attractive and you know, put together, you will not be seen
39:36
as creepy. So what we have now is we have a situation where men
39:42
are afraid of being dehumanized by women for their physical appearance. Let's let's put
39:49
it all together and let's be completely honest about it. That's what's happening.
39:55
And to be honest, you know those guys who are saying I'm not interacting
39:59
with women men because I don't want to be dehumanized for my physical appearance.
40:02
Um, do they are they wrong like eight uh, most women on these
40:08
dating sites, or at least the oky Cupid study said that eighty percent of
40:12
men are unattractive below average, And these allegations lead to social like the reason
40:21
why I brought up the history of these allegations and how they've been used in
40:24
a political context, as these are serious allegations. This is the this is
40:30
the thin edge of the wedge to demonizing and socially ostracizing a group of people.
40:37
So these this is a significantly negative behavior that women engage in towards men,
40:42
all right, and men are avoiding it because of that. And this
40:47
is all being soft pedaled and then put back on the on the shoulders of
40:51
men when nobody seems to be asking, maybe we should be calling out women
40:58
for engaging in this judgment of men that is guaranteed to be one hundred percent
41:05
based on looks, or at least ninety five percent based on looks. He's
41:08
got creepy eyes, and it's they can they can they can rationalize it by
41:13
saying, oh, he did this specific thing. I'm sure that they've considered
41:17
some men to be creepy even before they did anything. But most likely the
41:24
real denominator here is whether or not the dude has creepy eyes. That's it.
41:30
Maybe he didn't get enough sleep the night before. Maybe he's looking a
41:35
little hungover or something, you know, and that makes him creepy. And
41:39
who wants to be subjected to that kind of subjective bullshit when it has such
41:45
serious consequences. No, and nobody wants to talk about this and say,
41:51
well, yeah, maybe women do hold some some responsibility for not abusing a
41:58
group of people using rhetoric that's responsible for atrocities. Maybe you could pull back
42:07
on that a little, ladies. Yeah, maybe maybe you could pull back
42:15
on the demonization of men because I don't know, maybe their contacts don't fit
42:19
properly, you know, and then blood shot eyes. But but there's there's
42:28
something that I used to say that I think is also important. Um.
42:31
I joke about like the guy who might be unfortunate enough to look like Steve
42:37
BUSHEMI who you guys might know from lots of movies. But if you are
42:42
Steve Bushemy, you're gonna do a lot better, So you know, it's
42:46
it's it's it's like, it's unfortunate if you look like him, but if
42:50
you are him, then you're gonna do well. And that's the truth too.
42:54
So um enough, status can like kind of overshadow. You know,
43:00
you might have like a don Knots, you might look like don Knots,
43:02
but if you are don Knots or were, then you probably did well.
43:07
So yeah, but my overall point is that we're making men responsible for a
43:13
situation where they've stopped interacting with women because they don't want to be dehumanized based
43:16
on their looks. Oh yeah, definitely. And then we're and then this
43:22
woman her incomprehensible, syllopsistic screed like you know, pot some screams that own
43:30
ass. That's basically I'll get that image for you. That's that is the
43:34
totem animal for this stupid article. But anyway, that was a long digression.
43:39
Shall we get back to it. Yeah, so we'll go back to
43:42
the medium blog right, Yeah, Okay, as far as I can tell,
43:49
this piece of dating lore originated from a post on Psychology Today. Yeah,
43:52
those are totally male friendly. That's a totally male friendly website, by
43:55
the way. It's a good piece. It talks about the need to define
44:00
behavior so that men can socialize and even hit on women. Without making them
44:04
uncomfortable. Be hot. That's basically all it is. Yes, more than
44:08
fifty percent of single men say they're confused they don't know how to act around
44:12
women. Or than eighty percent of women report creepy behavior from men. The
44:15
creepiest behaviors involve staring, unwanted contact, inappropriate comments, controlling behavior, refusal
44:22
to accept clear rejections, and stalking. It's useful to define creepy behavior at
44:29
the same time, these strike me as obvious. No, don't stare at
44:32
people, don't grab them, don't disregard their personal space, don't follow them
44:37
around. A lot of men would consider this behavior rude or creepy if someone
44:42
did it to them. They seem to think it's fine when they do these
44:45
things to women, because they don't regard us as people. Okay, what
44:52
are you men? Yes, because men think with all the same brain,
44:57
they all do the same things. They're all they all respond to the name
45:00
Joe, like, what the this is ridiculous? Like would she accept this
45:07
if we were just to say, oh, women do this like I'm when
45:09
I say women call men creepy, I mean the women who call men creepy.
45:13
I don't mean like all women, I mean, all women have the
45:15
ability to socially ostracize men by calling them creepy and not being called out for
45:21
their bullshit. But only the individual women who use that power are responsible for
45:24
having used it. Okay, that's not okay, lady possum yelling at own
45:32
ass all right, p U p y a O A p y. Not
45:45
all men do this. In fact, very few men do this, and
45:49
the more men who turn away from not doing this, the more men will
45:52
do it. Because you're gonna be left of the guys who have no fucking
45:55
clue and don't care or don't yeah, or they don't care. Right,
46:00
You're gonna end up with sociopathic men because all the regular men they don't want
46:04
to they don't want to try because it's too risky, or they don't want
46:07
to be dehumanized or abused. So you're gonna end up with the guys who
46:10
don't care. And then you're gonna say that's all men, yeah, and
46:15
it's and it's like she's literally she's she's regarding men in this paragraph, she
46:22
is literally regarding men as less than people. MH like not, they don't
46:28
have their own individual autonomy. They all do these same negative things. And
46:32
then she says, and they you know, throughout history, we being women
46:37
have been portrayed as something slightly less people. Yeah, right, No,
46:43
you haven't been portrayed as something slightly less. You've actually been idolized as some
46:51
kind of foundational force to male cooperative endeavor. Go go look at the h
46:59
Go look at the predominant statuary in like churches across Europe, every single one
47:06
of them, like the foundation, like the the most foundational stone is carved
47:12
into the Mother Mary. All right, you know, go to if you
47:16
want to go secular, go to all the depictions of guilds in like throughout
47:22
Europe. They all at their foundation have a muse that is a woman you've
47:27
never met. Women are used to embody all kinds of virtues and exterior expectations
47:34
placed on men. Right, men, women have never been depicted as lesser.
47:39
I mean sometimes, if you go back far enough, the Greek seemed
47:42
to like them as monsters and also as goddesses. But still, like this
47:46
is bullshit, like this is this is just pig ignorant bullshit. And it's
47:52
so hilarious because she is doing that to men. She's portraying them as lesser
48:00
not people. And then she's accusing men of doing the very thing that she's
48:04
doing to them to her. M hmm. Yeah, well, as she
48:12
cries out, woman engages in missentry as she cries out misogyny. M hmmm
48:19
of course. So yes, it's because they don't regard us as people.
48:23
Throughout history, we've been portrayed as something slightly less. Somehow the problem became
48:28
about women. If it became about women's behavior, this always happens, so
48:35
about it enough, it shouldn't happen. It should happen way more, to
48:38
be honest, Yeah, it should happen way more. Yes, Um,
48:44
Okay. Women have been trying to explain what they want for decades now.
48:47
They don't want men to stare at them in public. They don't want to
48:50
be hit on when they're clearly busy trying to live their lives. They give
48:52
men very clear signals when they do when they want to be left alone,
48:57
Men don't listen. Yeah, but men don't want to know. They don't
49:00
want to know what you don't want, because I think they know they want
49:05
to know what you do want. And and again, at this point,
49:08
do men even want that? No, I don't think they do. I
49:12
think more and more men are checking out, So the men right now,
49:15
it's judging from this, and that's fifty three percent. If single men don't
49:20
want to or don't interact with women, doesn't mean don't approach women in a
49:23
sexual sense, just not interacting. They're just trying to avoid women as much
49:28
as possible. Okay, that's where we're at all, Right, Yep,
49:32
you're doing so because they don't want to be dehumanized by women, right they
49:37
are listening. Why would you want to interact with someone who has the power
49:43
to to humanize them, to humanize you and acts like a freaking weasel on
49:47
crack about it? Yep? You know, like you just you just like,
49:53
um, can I can I get mine? And then can I can?
49:57
Could you get out of the way so I can get my frap maccino?
50:00
And she's like bouncing off the wall screeching about how you're raping her?
50:05
You know, m like, who wants that in their life? And that's
50:09
where it seems like a lot of men are at even more and more apparently
50:15
after COVID, when men got a taste of women not being in their lives,
50:21
well at least women like this anyway, Yeah, I don't. I
50:25
mean, this is definitely the kind of woman you want to stay the hell
50:29
away from, So yeah, you well, I mean it's probably that's why
50:35
I think it's best to play the odds and just stay away from all of
50:37
them, you know, you know, like you and I were talking before
50:42
the show about I was telling you about how I've been watching these really old
50:45
Disney movies that are framed and have been for many years as being like,
50:51
you know, retrograde, regressive, chauvinistic towards women, blah blah blah.
50:58
And one of the things that really jumped out at me is how the two
51:01
movies that I saw, And maybe we'll talk about this at length another time,
51:05
but I just want to mention this because it did. It put something
51:07
in my mind that I think the relationship between men and women, even though
51:12
it was never as good as it could be, was far better back then
51:15
than it is today. If that is a model that they were sort of
51:20
trying to display at least as an ideal, even if it wasn't the reality.
51:23
And that was like, you know, uh, snow White. Okay,
51:29
so people say today, they'll say snow White was a damblo. If
51:32
she didn't do anything right, she was just waiting for a man like that
51:35
was her whole life. That is not what the movie's about. Like,
51:37
like what she does is she is kind and nurturing to everyone around her,
51:45
and she and she offers them like the dwarves, they get sucker from it,
51:52
the animals. You know, she cleans up after them, because the
51:55
dwarves are like they're basically like it's it's like a frat house and they're not
51:59
cleaning up after them selves and leave shit everywhere because they're dwarves and they're and
52:01
they don't care, and they got they gotta work, like they go to
52:05
work all day and they come back with the high and all that, and
52:08
so they usually come back and they just you know, they're scrambling for food.
52:12
They gotta go right to sleep and they're gonna get right back up.
52:14
And she takes care of all of it while they're away and they and she
52:17
basically like you know, um, she she loves them and they love her
52:23
back. That's kind of what happens. Like she is nurturing and she flatters,
52:30
and she's compassionate and she's you know, empathetic and she's like motherly,
52:35
she's like a big sister or something. And you know, it was like
52:38
I was watching that and I was like, women don't act like this,
52:42
like like not even I mean very few. It's it's sort of like frowned
52:47
on because they because it's been framed as servitude to a man. But the
52:52
truth is is that like she's she's yeah, it's totally mutual, like she's
52:58
giving them something and they are in turn providing her with shelter because she didn't
53:02
have a home at the time and and so like it's like at least she
53:06
could do. But like it's so the way that this is is framed.
53:12
It's so resentful. It's so entitled to men's attention only when she wants it,
53:20
only from specific men, and only under certain circumstances. There is no
53:23
kindness, there is no nurturing. There's yeah, there's no grace. It's
53:30
all just bitterness. And I mean it's just it's so like the contrast because
53:37
I just watched this thing this morning, the contrast is so stark, and
53:42
I'm like, there are not only is this this is this movie was made
53:45
in nineteen thirty eight or something. The original Snow White of Disney movie.
53:52
Obviously, like the world was different, world War Two hadn't even started yet,
53:57
like in for Americans, right, and she was like, I don't
54:02
know, just a just so clearly feminine, but like in not in a
54:07
stereotype way I think it was. It was more like the way I think
54:10
that it was. It was like presented as an ideal, if that makes
54:14
sense, Like it's sort of it's meant to be like, well, you
54:16
know, this is like what the best kind of person would be if they
54:22
were a woman, Just like the you know, if it was a heroic
54:25
night, they would say, this is what the best kind of person would
54:29
be if they were a man. And it's supposed to be an ideal,
54:31
like something that you strive for, but like women have just completely abandoned that,
54:36
like it doesn't even exist at the in any place in their mind.
54:39
Could there be someone with that kind of like that amount of virtue. That's
54:45
why the thing about snow White is just at the at the end of the
54:49
day, she is like the ideal of a woman of her time that other
54:54
women and girls and boys would look at and say, I want to I
54:58
want to either be this girl, I want to meet a girl like that,
55:01
and um, but none of that exists today. Like it's just it's
55:06
just women trying to be men because they just think men are just they just
55:09
have it so good and they just want to be like that and it just
55:13
doesn't it doesn't work. It just doesn't work. So that's why they're miserable.
55:17
Um yeah, I would say, um, in this case, I
55:21
would just settle for just an iota of human kindness. Yeah, just be
55:24
kind like my I am certainly not like snow white, but um no,
55:32
but I mean you're you're But that's all that's what I'm saying, that's all
55:37
it takes. Like she is like the dwarves. They you know that they're
55:42
strange little men that have like weird idiosyncracies and they're they're they're not they don't
55:47
have the best hygiene, they don't keep their place clean, right, But
55:51
she does not judge them. She's just like, I'm gonna help you out.
55:55
And when even when they like get upset, like they're you know,
56:00
rumpy, he's like he's like women, you know, he's being like about
56:04
as mean as I guess you could be to a woman in a Disney movie.
56:07
And she totally is fine with it. She forgives him, she tries
56:10
to earn his love, she tries to earn his trust right, and then
56:14
she does like eventually she melts his cold heart, and you know, so
56:20
like it's that's I think that. You know what's interesting is that actually look
56:24
at it. That is her looking at a situation that she's in and seeing
56:30
how she can improve it through yes, actions, Yes, exactly, that's
56:34
what I mean. If you think about it, if you really think about
56:37
it, that is I don't want to say it's I mean, technically that
56:40
is more of an a masculine approach, even though it's in a feminine package.
56:45
Yes, even though it's it's employing feminine tools. She's looking at the
56:51
situation in terms of either embracing some aspect of stoicism. In other words,
56:55
she's setting aside her emotions to put someone else first, or embracing some aspect
57:00
of her abilities in order to improve her circumstance, but in a feminine way.
57:05
And that is sort of an integrated personality. And that is a younger
57:10
character than whatever the hell else, something like Captain Marvel is well, let's
57:15
just say, Captain Marvel is basically just a man like and and but but
57:21
less than that, less than that because a man would have to measure his
57:25
own actions and impacts on the world. Whereas Captain Marvel is just about her.
57:30
It's it's literally just self worship. That's you know. I was telling
57:34
Lindsay about that. I said, you know, it's stories today about women.
57:37
They all have like they all boil down to one thing. It's like
57:38
you were always great. You just needed to realize it. That's like the
57:42
plot of every story that features a woman in it. You're always great.
57:45
You just needed to wake up to it, as opposed to like I was
57:49
saying before, Maybe we'll do a show on it. I'd like to.
57:51
I'm gonna watch Cinderella and then we'll talk about all three. If you're okay
57:53
with him, you should watch them though, Like you'll see things because I
57:57
didn't notice these before, you'll notice them now you didn't. I'll give I'll
58:01
take a watch well, and we'll have a discussion of it. Yeah,
58:05
definitely, definitely. Yeah, let's get back. Oh I sent you the
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picture, Yeah, I shared it shared. Do you have any this is
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the article? Yeah? Yeah, do you have any thank you to give?
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Like, yes, I do. I do I see those. I'll
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read them, but give me this thank you first, okay, so re
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re, I'm just gonna use the first three letters. R EI gives us
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one hundred dollars for the for the reader. Thank you. That's great erotic
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rotic erotic rotic. Okay, thank you, zap okay, and he he
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or she sent us a super chow. Oh Anonymous Aussi. Yeah, Oh
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okay, Anonymous Aussi. So we just got one donation to the fundraiser,
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right, yeah, sorry about that, and am Asazzi. I should have
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said anonymous Azzi. Hopefully I didn't reveal too much. That's okay. So
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anonymous Azzi gives us it looks like two at least two separate things, and
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one is to the fundraise of the fire. Oh, I see okay,
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And if you want to join anonymous Azzi, go to feed the Badger dot
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com slash supports make sure that we can continue to keep talking about this stuff.
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It's more and more I'm realizing that our approach is completely unique. It
59:23
is not conservative, and it's it's not left or right. Yeah, because
59:28
neither seem to really want to embrace the idea of caring about men. Despite
59:31
the fact that men sort of do some very important stuff in our society,
59:36
maybe we should start caring about them before they all start to check out,
59:40
you know. And it's not even about making sure that men continue to do
59:44
what they want, like what we want them to do to continue to make
59:49
sure society keeps running. I mean, don't you just care, Like,
59:52
why would you want half the human race to exist in a sense of despondency
59:58
or not call out the other half of the human and race for dehumanizing them.
1:00:02
Mhmm, it's why would you not care about men? Can you tell
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me anyway if you would like to help us continue to push that message that,
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you know, maybe we should care about men because they're human beings.
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Go to feed the Badger dot com slash support. Doesn't seem to be a
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very popular message on either the left or the right, but it's popular with
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us. So there you go, feed the Badger dot com slash support.
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Okay, go forward. So I got so we got a one hundred dollar
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donation and the five dollars super chow from anonymous Aussie who says finally caught a
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live show. Just wanted to say, as someone who has begun to lean
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more conservative. Thank you for providing a positive view of men that neither side
1:00:44
provides. Well, thank you for that. You know, just keep holding
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them their feed to the fire. I think they'll come around. At least
1:00:50
there's a better chance of them listening to keep it up. So thank you.
1:00:53
And then anonymous Aussie gives us another five dollars thank you and says,
1:00:58
remember when PUAs helped men and develop themselves in a way that made them attractive
1:01:01
and not creepy to women. But apparently that was misogyny or something. I
1:01:06
don't you know, I don't really pay a lot of attention to the POA
1:01:07
crowd, to be honest, I'm not saying they don't have anything useful.
1:01:12
I'm not saying they don't have anything useful to say, but I'm not surprised
1:01:15
by that. Again, at the end of the day, you're gonna need
1:01:20
more tools than just the POA tools like to interact with women. I think
1:01:27
that you have to learn to you kind of have to learn things from the
1:01:32
POA camp, but also for the Miktow camp, because the benefits of some
1:01:37
of the things that the Miktow talk about is that you will stop worrying so
1:01:43
much about women's approval, and that's like the one thing, because the thing
1:01:46
is that women can It's like, you know how animals can smell fear.
1:01:52
I think women can smell when a man is trying to get their approval and
1:01:57
for whatever reason, and I think it's because of all this fucking programming,
1:02:00
women are turned off by that or they're put off by that in some way.
1:02:05
And well, I what were you gonna say? Okay, I'm gonna
1:02:07
say this because I probably I see myself in that statement. I really don't
1:02:13
want to be around a guy who's really seeking my approval that much either.
1:02:16
Well that's what I'm saying, like, yeah, go ahead, Yeah,
1:02:21
And I understand like they can smell that, which is why they end up
1:02:25
with some sociopaths a lot. Yeah, But it's like, if you want
1:02:31
that, maybe we should encourage men to develop the skills that allow them to
1:02:37
set the boundaries so that they aren't seeking women's approval to that degree. I
1:02:44
mean, it seems like men will always in some ways want women's approval.
1:02:51
Yeah, but if you can just get it to a point where this is
1:02:57
a really difficult concept to convey, where there's still seeing women as an individual
1:03:04
who should be judged find their actions somehow, if you can find that balance,
1:03:09
yeah, there is a way I guess that I would I would agree
1:03:14
with that. I think I think that what since Micktowe I use it as
1:03:20
what an example, um, is that I think one of the primary things
1:03:23
that they try to promote is that they don't they have to like be able
1:03:29
to live with free from the needs to be liked by women or free from
1:03:36
women's validation. If you can do that, and I know it's not easy
1:03:38
because we have an instinct right um that we're we're fighting against an instinct.
1:03:44
But if you can like downplay it or resist in some way, and also
1:03:49
look at women in the way that Alice has said as individuals that you know,
1:03:52
you judge them by their actions, so you know whether or not that
1:03:57
you would want to be in their company. Because that's another thing men don't
1:04:00
do is they think, well, they they think that women, um are
1:04:04
a gift to them. And I don't mean that in a way that says
1:04:08
that they're objective objects, but I mean like when a woman approves of men,
1:04:12
he's just so glad that she approves that he doesn't take the time to
1:04:15
reciprocate that because he just wants to be approved. Right, So if he
1:04:20
also looks at her behavior and says, you know, I don't I'm not
1:04:27
like, I'm not a fan of this, you know, character trait or
1:04:30
the way you treated my friend or the way that you treated the waitress or
1:04:33
whatever, then like they will have a better Like they'll be able to see
1:04:38
women as you know, flawed people just like they are because they are,
1:04:43
and they won't need that approval. And I think, yeah, and it'll
1:04:46
move that, it'll move past that that um, that obstacle. You know,
1:04:51
it's interesting. Okay, So we remember the nagging that pickup artists used
1:04:57
to talk about, Yeah, which was like the biggest thing that they got
1:05:00
ship for. Yeah, that's essentially what That's the one of the best ways.
1:05:04
And usually, you know, it would be easier. I don't know
1:05:08
why they always went for the most like ugly way of describing the things that
1:05:13
they do. Teasing. Yeah, indias to a woman that a man isn't
1:05:19
after hit her approval, right, that she he isn't making himself subordinate to
1:05:25
her approval. Yeah, that's what nagging does. Yeah, Okay, it
1:05:30
Also I guess, um, uh, so it shows the woman the man
1:05:34
is paying attention to her or flaws, like if he's nagging her for you
1:05:39
know, anything like a little thing like let's say that she's willing to criticize
1:05:43
her. Yeah, like if she has something in her teeth, you know,
1:05:45
and he used it to to like poke a little fun but it's not
1:05:48
like us taking it too seriously. Then she'll say, Oh, he's paying
1:05:53
attention to details, right, like if she stutters, or if she mispronounces
1:05:58
a word or something and he points it out, but he does so in
1:06:01
a playful way. Then I think that the woman will say, oh,
1:06:05
this guy's actually listening to me, because I think a lot of women don't
1:06:09
think men listen, even though they do, but you have to kind of
1:06:12
like prove it. I guess so. And it also gives a sense that
1:06:15
he's not like after something. Yeah, it's the other thing like and women.
1:06:20
The whole argument over pickup artists just ended up deteriorating ridiculously because it's true,
1:06:28
like a guy who teases you, a guy who who quote unquotes n
1:06:31
eggs does not give the feeling like he's grooming or he's lurking or he's predatory,
1:06:40
because it gives a feeling like if you bounced, he wouldn't cling essentially
1:06:46
right, and so it gives that feeling like he's not subservient to you,
1:06:51
to your approval, and also that he's not trying to flatter or you know,
1:07:00
create this this deception through flattery in order to get something out of you.
1:07:04
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, and they And the thing is
1:07:06
that that was the whole thing, and I really want to talk about that.
1:07:13
The super child that came through the whole thing with pickup artists was simply
1:07:16
teaching men who approach women in such a way that they enjoyed the encounter and
1:07:23
thought well of the men, and that was stigmatized. That was like basically
1:07:28
kill it with fire. Yep, all right, let's let's this woman has
1:07:32
verbal diarrheas through well, let me finish the super child. So I got
1:07:36
one from miss Anne of ARC for five bucks and she says, women stop
1:07:41
looking at us. All women goes to jim and sports brawl and leggings.
1:07:45
Yeah, because it's got to be the right kind of man that notices.
1:07:47
I mean, they obviously do it for attention. In my opinion, but
1:07:53
Nova Fan twenty one gives us a dollar. This is on Rumble Rumble rants
1:07:57
and says the writer acts like Jim Thoughts never existed. Ignorance is bliss Farrell
1:08:00
Farrell Farrell. That was the woman. I think she had a TikTok video
1:08:04
where she was talking about she basically like videoed herself and claimed that men were
1:08:11
staring at her like there was this old man. Remember we responded to it
1:08:15
and um, but clearly like there was no like no real evidence. She
1:08:19
just, I don't know, felt like everyone's looking at her because she's so
1:08:24
important or she's just paranoid and just figured this this old man that's not here
1:08:30
to work out must be here for me. So thank you for that.
1:08:35
And then Mike on super on super Chat in YouTube says, for two dollars
1:08:41
women, my gentleman, I am afraid to report that women. Derek Workman
1:08:47
gives us five bucks and says, why should men care what women want when
1:08:51
women flat out don't want don't what men want? I think you mean to
1:08:56
say, don't want what men want? No one should have to care about
1:09:00
someone that doesn't care about them. Well, I think men, I mean,
1:09:06
let me see, wife should men care well. I think a lot
1:09:09
of men do though, because they know at the end of the day,
1:09:12
you know, they are looking for a partner, like the majority of men,
1:09:16
and they want a decent, virtuous woman, I think. And the
1:09:20
truth is the only way they're going to find out is if they approach them,
1:09:25
I guess, and a lot of so you're looking at like several degrees
1:09:28
of like you know, um filtering that results in very few men approaching the
1:09:34
majority of women, and the majority of women finding most of those men unattractive.
1:09:40
So it's just unfortunately it's rigged. It's a rigged game right now.
1:09:45
And yeah, it's just not good. But but they're gonna still want it
1:09:50
because like, nobody wants to die alone, so um, well apparently this
1:09:55
woman does. But oh yeah, well maybe she's a lesbian. That doesn't
1:10:00
mean she won't to die alone though. Okay, so men don't listen.
1:10:05
A few years ago, some dude went viral by saying men should pull women's
1:10:10
earbuds down so they could talk to them. He didn't get it. Women
1:10:14
aren't stupid. They put their earbuds in so people will leave them alone.
1:10:17
Trust me, we pay attention to our surroundings. If a woman sees someone
1:10:21
she's interested in, she will get his attention. Will she approach him and
1:10:27
talk to him? Like she's upset because the Evy article suggested that women approach
1:10:31
men, and now she's literally saying women approachment could oh god, no,
1:10:36
no, no, no, no no. She's not saying that women should
1:10:39
approach men. She's saying that if a woman sees someone she's interested in,
1:10:44
she will get his attention. That doesn't mean that they approach. That means
1:10:48
that they do that subtle shit that men usually miss or miss misinterpret because women
1:10:55
don't have the they don't have the balls to approach men they're interested in.
1:10:58
They just don't. They just do this koy shit. And then when they
1:11:01
get attention from the wrong kind of man, because they're sending the signal out
1:11:06
to everybody and like maybe the wrong guy. Well whatever. It is,
1:11:10
like she's like wearing you know, leggings and a sports braw in the gym
1:11:14
and she's doing like, you know, working on a machine that like uses
1:11:18
her butt or her thighs or something like that. And it's very explicit like
1:11:24
if or you know, if they're not like creative, but even if it's
1:11:27
subtle. The thing is is that there might be a man in the gym
1:11:30
that you want to get the attention of. But because women don't have the
1:11:33
balls to go up to men that they're interested in introduce themselves. Instead,
1:11:38
they stay on their machine or whatever it is they're doing, and they play
1:11:41
it. They try to play it subtle in the hopes that that man will
1:11:44
notice. But if but that man might not, and another man might.
1:11:48
But that other man is the creepy man, because he's not the one they're
1:11:51
targeting, you see what I mean, So if the wrong So what she's
1:11:55
saying is if they're interested, they'll they'll do something to get his attention.
1:11:59
They won't talk to him because they're cowards because if that man might reject them.
1:12:02
Because if they're picking a man out in the gym, he's probably like
1:12:06
the fucking peak one percent guy you know that was like driven there by his
1:12:12
professional driver and he like, you know, I don't know, Like he's
1:12:15
just like there to work out, and he's he's basically high status, he's
1:12:18
good looking, big dick whatever. And she's like, well, I should
1:12:21
have this man, but I don't want to approach him because if I do.
1:12:25
He might be like, your mid get out of here, and that's
1:12:28
gonna break her heart. But if other men approach her and they're unworthy,
1:12:31
well they deserve to get their heartbroken, you see, because they have they
1:12:35
have the gall to approach her. Yeah, that's the problem of low value
1:12:42
signaling. Like this is a signaling thing. Like you can send out a
1:12:46
signal that has a lot of noise in it basically, so you send it
1:12:54
out and it doesn't have a clear like there's not a clear statement in it's
1:12:59
a little bit ambiguous. An ambiguous signal, so you it gives gives the
1:13:03
woman plausible deniability so she can preserve her ego, right, yeah, because
1:13:11
she can be like, why didn't I didn't want to date you, I
1:13:14
didn't like you. But she's giving out the signal, she's not giving any
1:13:17
indication to whom, because if she gave any indication to whom they that man
1:13:24
could then subsequently reject her. So she's giving out a broad signal and then
1:13:29
she complains that other men are picking up on it. Yep, Well,
1:13:32
if you if you aren't going to explicitly direct your signal to the exact man
1:13:38
that you're attracted to, by definition, that signal is going to every man
1:13:42
in the vicinity. So if you don't want to be approached, if you're
1:13:45
gonna say, oh, I'm gonna if a man of low status approaches me,
1:13:48
that's creepy, because it is. That's the That's why, lady,
1:13:53
that's what's determining in your brain whether or not it's creepy. That is,
1:13:57
whether or not the man coming and saying high is ugly to you. That's
1:14:01
it. It's just a pure lucast um switch in your head. That's all
1:14:06
it is. Don't don't even bother with the bullshit, shuck and dive jive
1:14:12
about all of this other Oh I just don't want to be accousted by a
1:14:15
serial killer bullshit. You just don't want the fugglies going near you and breathing
1:14:19
on you. I mean, they're not even fugglies. They're probably just normal
1:14:24
dudes. They're not they're just not the fucking Christian grade of the world.
1:14:28
If you're going to give off this signal that has no clear target, then
1:14:34
every man in the vicinity is a legitimate target of that signal. And you're
1:14:40
doing that because you don't have the balls to risk rejection. If you have
1:14:46
the balls to risk rejection, you would get your fucking ass up and go
1:14:50
over to the man you want and say hey, all right and probably get
1:14:58
get completely ghost because you're mid. Regardless you want to do that. You
1:15:02
don't want to do that. You want to have plausible deniability. While the
1:15:05
cost of plausible deniability is dealing with everybody else you've alerted with your bat signal.
1:15:13
Okay, there you go. You want plausible deniability, you have to
1:15:16
deal with the fugglies and mine. Yeah I know, Brian, they're not
1:15:21
fuggli, They're they're just mid. Like she's mid. Yeah, I mean
1:15:25
really, what nappy is? A mid woman flashes the inflamed ass cheeks and
1:15:29
all the mid men in the vicinity are like, oh okay, yeah,
1:15:32
yeah, she's mid like me. I'll I'll just bowsey on over and say
1:15:36
hey, and she's like, what are you doing? What are you doing?
1:15:42
I wanted Chad? Yeah exactly. No, Okay, lady, if
1:15:47
you're mid and you flash mid inflamed ass cheeks, you're gonna get mid men.
1:15:53
Ye, and that's all you deserve. You don't deserve, Chad,
1:15:56
Chads, Am I going to pay attention to you be happy with your mid
1:15:59
men and don't whine that they're creepy because you're you are actually going after some
1:16:04
guy who's out of your league. Because this is what this is all about.
1:16:08
It's creepy women flashing their ass cheeks and complaining that mid men are coming
1:16:13
after them. Well do your mid yeah, live with it, yep,
1:16:17
and grass its lower your standards, ladies, not even it's not. It's
1:16:24
like like, literally, look at yourself in the mirror, lady, and
1:16:27
say, would I date me if I was if I was a UM,
1:16:32
if I if I was a man, would I date me? Well?
1:16:36
What better? Why do you deserve a man better than what you are?
1:16:40
I mean, if you only knew how delusional the modern woman is. Like
1:16:44
the overwhelming majority of women think they're at ten. Uh. I don't know
1:16:47
why, but they do. And I think it's because of this, Like
1:16:51
I don't know this culture of um, like this culture of self worship.
1:17:00
I guess okay, But ultimately the final conclusion of this is if you want
1:17:05
to give off an ambiguous signal that means you're going to be alerting every man
1:17:12
in the vicinity. If you don't make it directional, and you do that
1:17:15
because you don't want to face rejection, because you don't want the man's role
1:17:18
because you know it sucks, so you expect men to take on the role
1:17:23
that sucks and also deal with your crapped on top of it, and think
1:17:30
no responsibility for the fact you are alerting the men in the vicinity that you're
1:17:33
interested, but you just don't want to make it directional because you might get
1:17:38
rejected. This is all so freaking smarmy. Yeah, yeah, you know.
1:17:44
And that's the other thing is that you underestimate, like why can't we
1:17:48
just be honest about this? Women who dehumanize men are creepy themselves. Okay,
1:17:57
Like the mid guys are gonna you know, Jessica gives off her a
1:18:00
little bat signal and the mid guys around there are going to be like,
1:18:02
oh, she's mid like me. Okay. Chad is going to be like,
1:18:06
oh creep yeah you know, and uh And that's the way it works
1:18:12
unless he wants to I guess hit and quit um well you know cardium also,
1:18:18
yeah, that's also going to happen. But I mean again, yeah,
1:18:23
but it's like this attitude she has is creepy. H Okay. You
1:18:30
know, maybe it is annoying that you're getting all this attention as a result
1:18:32
of your ambiguous signals, you know, but that's what you get if you
1:18:38
want to avoid rejection. M right. This is the the cost of being
1:18:45
allowed to avoid rejection is that you have to deal with people you're not interested
1:18:49
in. Yep. Right, you know that you're giving off a signal.
1:18:55
You know you're giving off a communication, So take responsibility for it. All.
1:19:00
Okay, we're Yeah, I do have to take off at like a
1:19:04
forty five because Lindsay gets out of work at nine and I don't want to
1:19:08
make her wait because it's raining out here. It's been raining for days.
1:19:13
So yeah, we got about twenty minutes. Twenty minutes. Yeah, all
1:19:17
right, I've done it. Other women do it. There's this idea that
1:19:21
women simply sit around waiting for men to sweep in and woo them off their
1:19:25
feet. Either that or they're simply too self absorbed or straight up stupid to
1:19:29
tell when a guy wants them. Here's the real problem. Oh, I
1:19:32
can't wait to hear this. For the most part, nobody is teaching men
1:19:36
how to act around women. Nobody is teaching them how to express romantic or
1:19:41
sexual interest in women with courtesy and respect. Nobody is teaching them how to
1:19:45
recognize when a woman is interested in them. They seem to expect women to
1:19:48
hold up a giant flashing sign what it's worth. A lot of women do
1:19:53
solicit men. Okay, let me stop there for a second. If men,
1:19:56
if these men, and I'm assuming that you're like a millennial, okay,
1:20:00
so if you are finding that men just haven't don't know. Nobody's teaching
1:20:05
men how to act around women. Who's raising these men. It's not fathers
1:20:12
because they're not around. So where are these men getting this bad advice?
1:20:16
Could it be from their mothers? Just saying something to think about? And
1:20:24
what are women getting as far as advice on how to react to men who
1:20:30
you know, make an attempt or an attempt on an approach? What is
1:20:33
that about? Anyway? Nobody is teaching them how to recognize when a woman
1:20:39
is interested in them. They seem to expect women to hold up a giant
1:20:43
flashing sign or what it's worth. A lot of women do solicit men.
1:20:45
When a woman sees someone she likes, she'll make eye contact. I don't
1:20:51
know, I've made plenty of mine contact with women. I don't think that
1:20:55
that makes them sexually interested. But okay, she'll glance at them several time.
1:21:00
She'll put herself in their line of sight. She'll walk up and introduce
1:21:02
herself. She'll start a conversation. She'll ask if their single, she'll ask
1:21:05
if they want to hang out. She'll volunteer her number. Yeah, I'm
1:21:10
pressing exit out on those last three things. Sure, she'll probably make eye
1:21:15
contact, she'll probably glance problem. Okay, so men are going to stop
1:21:19
approaching and women will do the Yeah, we'll just let women do it.
1:21:24
Yeah, they'll be assertive, and then men will know, well, why
1:21:27
don't we just do that? The balls in your core buies. Yeah,
1:21:30
it sounds like it's gonna be Yeah, a volunte she'll volunteer her number.
1:21:34
Okay, there you go. Um, get used to being rejected. Yep,
1:21:44
women will be rejected if you're the one doing the approach. Okay.
1:21:46
Women know how to convey their interests without engaging in creepy behavior. No,
1:21:50
no, lady, no like staring at someone until they get uncomfortable and leave
1:21:56
if she doesn't go ahead, No, you don't understand the causality here,
1:22:02
men tolerate more crappy behavior from women. They men tolerate more shitty boundary breaking
1:22:13
from behavior from women than the reverse. And by tolerate, I mean they
1:22:18
swallow it because they're taught to be stoic. They're taught that when a woman
1:22:24
comes over and grabs their junk, they should laugh it off. You know,
1:22:29
when a woman does even worse things, that they should laugh it off.
1:22:34
If women with their attitude like the average woman, well, yeah,
1:22:41
you know what, I'm gonna say that if they turned into men tomorrow,
1:22:45
the creepiness would be off the scale. The perceived creepiness would suddenly become very
1:22:49
apparent. And I know that there's guys who are completely disgusted by women's behavior.
1:23:00
Actually, and in terms of boundary breaking, I've seen it. I've
1:23:01
seen it at parties. I've seen it at um uh well like concerts,
1:23:09
yea, interestingly enough, Okay, so uh anecdote time we went to Tiesto
1:23:15
concert like many many years back. Oh, there was a fucking ocean tide
1:23:23
of drunk women at this stupid conference. And this is this is this was
1:23:27
one of the one of the incidents is where some chick was attempting to kiss
1:23:30
me, and I was like backing away and telling her to stop, you
1:23:33
know. And I was with Jonathan. It was like oh and um.
1:23:39
And then there's these these drunk chicks. One walked up to Jonathan. It
1:23:43
was like, can you give me some water? And Jonathan he did get
1:23:47
her water from she gave him money, so he bought her water with her
1:23:51
own money and gave it to her, but in a way that was like,
1:23:56
please leave. And then there was like these two drunken chicks who were
1:24:00
like sliding their way next to these two dudes against the wall. They were
1:24:04
just sitting against the wall talking and those chicks were like, here, we
1:24:09
borrow your jacket. And the guys were obviously uncomfortable, and these these women
1:24:16
just parked there making them uncomfortable for like as long as we were back there
1:24:25
watching this, and they were like that you could tell the men were not
1:24:29
not happy for them to be anywhere near them, and that this is this
1:24:31
is what I saw a lot of women making people uncomfortable, a lot of
1:24:38
drunk women puking and making people uncomfortable. Right, So don't give me this
1:24:44
shit that women, Oh, women are just perfect angels. No, you're
1:24:46
not. You get drunk and make people Hella uncomfortable too. You get drunk
1:24:51
and do worse. Right, maybe men do that too, but women do
1:24:57
it too. It's not a male or female behavior, although women get away
1:25:00
with it more, which means that it sort of feels like they're more women
1:25:03
doing it. I don't know if there is more women doing it, but
1:25:06
they certainly get away with it more so it's more obnoxious when they do it.
1:25:12
So, no, women do engage in creepy behavior. They do engage
1:25:15
in boundary breaking behavior, you know. And what ended up happening is those
1:25:19
two women, I guess for some reason, like started to ask Jonathan if
1:25:29
he would give him her jacket, like I'm right there, And as soon
1:25:31
as they latched onto Jonathan, the two guys were just like, we're gone,
1:25:34
and they left drunk women, you know, like, weren't those men
1:25:40
supposed to be jumping them? No, they looked incredibly uncomfortable and left at
1:25:43
the earliest opportunity to get the hell away from them. And that's what I
1:25:47
saw at this concert. Yeah, a lot of women groping people who were
1:25:54
obviously uncomfortable, a lot of women engaging in behavior that other people were not
1:25:59
happy with. And yeah, so no, you're wrong. Women also do
1:26:04
this shit. You're not pure angels. You're not the angel in the kitchen,
1:26:10
lady. And if you want to be the angel in the kitchen,
1:26:12
get back in the kitchen. M No light. Okay, I was gonna
1:26:24
play a sound bite, but I changed my mind. Um okay, where
1:26:28
was I show? Okay, women know how to convey their interests without engaging
1:26:30
creepy behavior like staring at someone until they get uncomfortable and leave. If she
1:26:34
doesn't do that, then it means she's not interested, or it means she's
1:26:39
got big things, big things going on in her life. Girl bossing.
1:26:43
She's girl bossing. We don't have time for men, she's not up for
1:26:46
dating. Maybe more women need to learn this kind of subtle confidence. Maybe
1:26:50
more men need to learn how to show their interests while also understanding when to
1:26:55
back off. More than anything, we've got to stop blaming all men or
1:26:59
all women for every problem in dating culture or society at large. Oh yeah,
1:27:03
now, yeah, yeah, really yeah, we got to stop blaming.
1:27:06
Oh man, that's all you've been doing this. We have to stop
1:27:13
it. My both sides, guys, My both sides. I'm the smartest
1:27:17
and most most understanding, most empathetic person on earth and everyone else is stupid
1:27:23
and and I'm proving it by saying it's all men are all women. Who
1:27:27
have to stop doing it. Stopped with the generalizations. Okay, I'll keep
1:27:31
reading. We also have to stop insisting that women and men share exactly fifty
1:27:36
percent of the responsibility for these problems. Oh really, it's not true.
1:27:43
Men have been in charge of our political and cultural institutions for hundreds of years.
1:27:46
Women have only started to enjoy a little more autonomy and freedom over the
1:27:50
last fifty years. Did we suddenly destroy the world in a few decades?
1:27:55
Okay, all right, stop here. We got to stop blaming all men
1:28:00
are all women because we got to start blaming all men. Oh god,
1:28:06
you know what, do we tattoo these women and just be like, you
1:28:12
know what, I guarantee you know what, this woman is probably the kind
1:28:15
of woman who makes an absolute nuisance of herself when she gets drunk. Yeah,
1:28:23
all right, a lot of continue on. All right, this is
1:28:26
really like, this is really annoying. This is the reason why, By
1:28:29
the way, and like if you have if you know people that are that
1:28:33
claim to be critical of feminism and they're spouting this feminism used to be,
1:28:39
like you used to be necessary bullshit. You have to call them out.
1:28:42
I do it in every comment section of any video where I hear anyone.
1:28:45
I don't care what their politics is, that doesn't matter. If they say
1:28:50
that, oh, you know, women, they just got their rights,
1:28:54
I call them out immediately. I say, no, you have to stop
1:28:57
doing this, because if you do this, you will you'll be giving up
1:29:00
ground. Every time you say women used to whatever, you give up ground.
1:29:03
Don't do it, and not just because it's tactically incorrect or not useful,
1:29:10
but also because it's not true, and that's more important. Stop doing
1:29:15
that, Okay, go ahead. Every society that has a sit, well
1:29:19
they have the demarcation between men and women, and men go and they go.
1:29:24
Basically what they're doing is men is men are going to the provide for
1:29:27
women minds. And they're like, oh, oh, men, only men
1:29:30
have the right to go to the provide for women minds. But when the
1:29:32
men leave the provide for women minds, what do they do? They provide
1:29:36
for women? And that's true about every freaking society. Any society you point
1:29:42
to and say, oh, women were restricted from this, yes, but
1:29:45
the products of it were expected to go to women socially or legally, right,
1:29:51
all invariably. Okay, let's and also that women were restricted from things
1:29:58
that were probably pre dangerous and horrifying. Yeah, okay, let's all right,
1:30:02
let's keep going. JoJo's million about so he must know that it's almost
1:30:05
time for us to go pick up Lindsey. He's got a clock in his
1:30:09
head. He knows when it's time to eat, he knows when it's time
1:30:12
to wake up. He knows. He just and he just starts moving around
1:30:15
anyway. So I don't know if you have a dog with an internal clock,
1:30:18
but Jojo has an internal clock. He knows what it's time to eat,
1:30:21
he knows when it's time to pick Lindsay. All right, but anyway,
1:30:27
a lot of men, all right, a lot of men's problems now
1:30:29
stem from the behavior of other men. It's largely other men who've rigged the
1:30:31
economy in favor of billionaires. Bullshit. It's largely men who outsource their jobs,
1:30:36
our jobs. Bullshit is just it's men, like Yeah, it's largely
1:30:44
other men who've rigged the economy in favor of billionaires. That's that's that's a
1:30:47
lie. It's just a lie on its face. But but especially that the
1:30:53
claim is that other men have done this, Like you're you're so you know
1:30:57
what, you know what this is? This is this is a cell report.
1:31:00
This is her saying if I was a billionaire, I would do this.
1:31:02
That's what she's saying. No, no, she's saying all of the
1:31:05
men who working at she's generalizing to put men in this position because patriots keep
1:31:15
going, but it's large stop blaming all men, and yeah, look at
1:31:20
this, keep going because we get through this. Right, it's largely men
1:31:24
who wrecked the planets. Okay, not women with their pre trash. It's
1:31:28
largely men who keep feeding attention and misogynist influencers and making them rich. Oh
1:31:32
you mean like Andrew Tate, the worst person on earth? Uh? Yes.
1:31:38
Women reinforce toxic masculinity. Women create an uphold toxic beauty standards. Women
1:31:44
exploit each other in order to advance their own corporate and political careers. They
1:31:46
do it because our economy has left them few other alternatives to make a living.
1:31:50
They do it because they seek attention and approval from toxic men. God,
1:31:57
are a lot of men said and lowly? Now? Yeah, are
1:32:00
a lot of women sad and lonely? Now? Yes, women are dealing
1:32:02
with it by expressing their emotions and frustrations. They're figuring out how to be
1:32:06
single. They're figuring out how to live through the mess of end stage capitalism.
1:32:13
Most of them aren't talking about assaulting, and a lot of them are.
1:32:16
Okay, a lot of them are talking about assaulting and kaling men.
1:32:19
And not just this, What did you say, let's not blame all men?
1:32:23
And then what did you immediately do? This is not seven thousand up
1:32:29
votes, unbelievable critical, like just not even being able to see yourself.
1:32:42
Well, we got stop blaming all men? Well, and then the next
1:32:45
freaking three paragraphs all you do is blame men? Yep, you understand that
1:32:53
the life you live is unbelievably privileged, Like you talk about how men are
1:32:58
is responsible for the billionaire in the eighth stage capitalism environmental degradation. You sit
1:33:03
on a computer desk in an air conditioned or heated apartment with food that you
1:33:12
can easily get. Do you understand the misery that we lived in? And
1:33:17
if men are responsible for end stage capitalism. They're also responsible for the fact
1:33:21
that you live an unbelievable comfort, enough comfort that you can sit and spout
1:33:27
the slobsteristic dribble. Okay, all right, they're not shooting up schools,
1:33:35
they're not forming online hate groups where they declare their rights. Yeah, like
1:33:41
literally, they're not voting to strip away of their stript them of their human
1:33:46
rights, are they? Yeah? But they don't have any Yeah what rights
1:33:51
do? What? What rights are you going to strip away from men?
1:33:55
But they that hasn't already been stripped away. Yep, the right to their
1:34:00
their penis being intact. Start opting out of parenthood. No, they don't
1:34:06
have that. Actually, it's legally the legal precedent for men. The legal
1:34:11
precedent for men when it comes to parenthood is that consent to sex is separate
1:34:15
from consent to parenthood. And the way they the reason why they did that
1:34:18
is because they legally they didn't want men to be able to say, hey,
1:34:21
I was raped, therefore I didn't consent to parenthood. So even if
1:34:25
a man is raped, he consented to parentedo. Now the legal situation for
1:34:29
women is different. It's also separate. So if a woman consents the consent
1:34:33
to A woman's consent to sex is separate from her consent to parenthood, but
1:34:38
it's it has a completely different outcome because if a woman consents to sex,
1:34:43
that does not mean consent to parenthood. So if a man doesn't consent to
1:34:46
sex, that still means he consented to parenthood. But if a woman does
1:34:50
consent to sex, that does not mean she consented to parenthood. That is
1:34:55
the legal reality. It is a double standard that gives women more right.
1:35:00
The double standard when it comes to genital integrity gives women more rights. The
1:35:04
double standard when it comes to parental custody gives women more rights. The double
1:35:11
standard when it comes to conscription gives women more rights. You name one thing
1:35:16
that men have, because I can. I've just named four things that women
1:35:20
have more rights over, more bodily autonomy over than men. That's in the
1:35:26
fricking law, and you have nothing. And the reason why it's that way
1:35:32
is because it's always been that way. Society has always been structured in order
1:35:38
to provide and protect for women. Except in some societies we give men an
1:35:43
actual identity. We actually recognize the importance of masculinity in the male role,
1:35:48
and we had some reciprocal expectations from women. You're all fucking gone and she's
1:35:57
still complaining. Lady, your life, Your life is basically utopian because you
1:36:05
live in a late stage capitalist empire created by men, and you're still complaining
1:36:13
about it. When you're still complaining about it because there are some there exist
1:36:17
criminal men in the world or men who don't who are mistaking your high volume
1:36:24
ambiguous you know, mid men who are mistaking your high volume ambiguous signals as
1:36:30
being directed at them because you're also a midwoman. Okay, okay, I
1:36:38
understand that men need help. They have to ask for it. Nothing is
1:36:41
going to change until more men start owning their behavior. Nothing is going to
1:36:45
change until more men start trying to learn and listen. Nothing is going to
1:36:47
change until more men start teaching each other better and expecting better from each other.
1:36:51
Yeah, but when they do, you call them misogynists, like when
1:36:57
men try to help each other. Yeah, the PUAs are trying to help
1:37:00
men. Guys like Andrew Tad are trying to help men. Um and your
1:37:04
shit on that, so you don't really well, I mean, look,
1:37:10
I'm not going to get into that, but I will say this, He's
1:37:13
not the guy he was a year ago. That's all I'm gonna say.
1:37:15
I've watched a long interview after he's been in the Romania prison, and he
1:37:19
is not the guy that everyone keeps quoting from a year ago that the BBC
1:37:24
is trying to bring up from a year ago. He's not the same guy.
1:37:27
So let's just let's just like, let's just act as though a lot
1:37:31
of men that these people hate are actually trying to help men, even if
1:37:35
they're not doing it exactly the way some of the people who watch us think
1:37:39
they should. That doesn't matter. Josh Holly wrote a book about masculinity.
1:37:44
He's a conservative guy, but that doesn't mean that that book has no value.
1:37:47
There are men trying. We should celebrate that, and we should congratulate
1:37:53
them, and we should support them. Okay, like, and if they
1:37:57
do wrong, then we call him out. But I don't. I don't
1:38:00
think that My point is this, Potentially, your point is this that men
1:38:05
do help each other. They're slammed, They are slammed down by the media
1:38:13
and by feminism. Yes, because the honest to god truth is what I'm
1:38:16
getting a sense is that they don't want men to be helped. Yeah,
1:38:20
they don't want in this situation of desperation. And the funny thing is is
1:38:27
that the response and I don't even know why she's complaining about this. Fifty
1:38:30
three percent of single men aren't interacting and with women. They're they're minimizing their
1:38:34
interactions with women. And I am A lot of people say well, well,
1:38:39
or at least Lauren Southern recently tweeted, oh, if you get off
1:38:42
the internet, everybody's you know, it's fine. Well, I'm going to
1:38:45
say something from my where I am. I have seen this in action.
1:38:50
Now, I live in a small town eight hundred people. I've seen men
1:38:56
minimizing interactions with women. Okay, I have now her there's a radical mint
1:39:01
town and there's probably more than one in my town. This is bigger,
1:39:06
This is big and it's spreading. Fifty three percent don't want to interact with
1:39:11
women or avoid interacting with women because they don't want to be dehumanized by them
1:39:15
for their looks. There's going to be more like if you asked a man,
1:39:18
this is whether you will you will you interact with women? What about
1:39:21
will you approach a woman? If fifty three won't interact the number of men
1:39:27
who will no longer approach women must be significantly higher. And incidentally, if
1:39:32
you're on those fucking dating apps, what the hell are you doing? Get
1:39:38
some dignity if you're a man? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
1:39:45
like what are you doing? Don't if nothing is going to get better until
1:39:51
you withdraw your consent to these dating apps, because all they do is give
1:39:57
women a false sense of plenty and um and depress the hell out of men.
1:40:04
Mhmm, good lord. You know what would I would just men do?
1:40:10
Cultivate a talent? Well yeah, well, I'm saying, like,
1:40:15
you know, read a book, go to church, I don't know,
1:40:16
learn a skill, do something for yourself, not self worship, just like
1:40:23
develop you know, skills of some kind, and and make the most of
1:40:27
it. Don't worry about women. You know, they'll figure it out at
1:40:29
some point maybe and maybe you'll meet somebody that's good enough. And that's how
1:40:32
you should look at it. You know, does she share my values?
1:40:35
Does she live up to the standards that I hold myself to? Then yes,
1:40:42
so I don't. Yeah, I'm going to finish it off. Let's
1:40:46
bring it home, Yeah, bring it home. Nothing is going to change
1:40:49
the more men start teaching each other better and expecting better from each other.
1:40:54
Some men are doing it. The ones reading this know who they are.
1:40:56
They don't need me to list their names over because that's how few there are.
1:40:59
You know their names. If more than half of men, yeah,
1:41:02
that's like there's so few men that are doing it that she knows them personally.
1:41:06
She knows them personally. Yeah, she's vetted them herself. If more
1:41:11
than half of men are worried about coming off as creepy, there's something simple
1:41:15
they can do. They can stop. They have stopped. They should stop,
1:41:21
like this is yeah, this is this is they've stopped. They've stopped
1:41:26
interacting with you, And I don't blame them. Like if if I if
1:41:30
I read this and I was a guy, and I'm like, this could
1:41:32
be lurking behind the eyes of any woman that I see in the world,
1:41:36
I'd be like, you know, I'm going to minimize my interactions too,
1:41:40
because you are a dehumanizing bigot, absolutely, And you are a dehumanizing bigot
1:41:48
with way too much social clout. Hmm. Other articles from the same person
1:41:57
kind of give you a little look into what kind of person they are.
1:42:00
Maybe you don't have to be likable by Jessica Wildfire. I wish I figured
1:42:03
it out sooner. So you're just a terrible human being that no one wants
1:42:10
to know. Essentially, like, why are we listening, Well, we're
1:42:15
listening to you because this is the most recent Yeah, I know on the
1:42:20
fact that that men don't want to interact with women, not approached approach is
1:42:25
probably even a higher number. Thanks for demonstrating why. I mean this literally
1:42:29
is why men don't approach you, well, not even her, just they're
1:42:33
just like, because they're afraid of finding a Jessica Wildfire, they're not approaching
1:42:38
any woman. Thanks Jessica, You've probably you do yourself and all of your
1:42:45
very highly upvoting you're very highly of upvoted article has probably shifted the needle even
1:42:51
further downward in terms of the number of men who are willing to approach women
1:42:56
or even interested in a relationship with them. Congratulations, I almost feels organized
1:43:01
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1:43:33
for what it's worth. Yeah, thanks for the twenty five Yeah, this
1:43:40
is um this, this person exists. I think you know she might be
1:43:48
AI right the I prompt and being listen. Can you write an article to
1:43:58
signleheadedly reduce the number of men who are still willing to entertain women in any
1:44:01
capacity? Yeah, a big thing created this. This was made by chat
1:44:13
gpt deep thought, deep thought. That's the that's the from the Hitchhiker's Guide
1:44:18
to the Galaxy. That's the Yeah. Okay, so I guess that's it.
1:44:25
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