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#141 - For Azeroth!: “Multibox That Soul Ash” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  Victory for the Forsaken for Lord, are on for the Kirin Tor
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  patron at patreon.com slash Faz Hello, everyone, and welcome to
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  for Azeroth the podcast, all about World of Warcraft.
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  I'm your host Jocelyn and joining me.
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  As always is my ghost, many, many, how has us her off been
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  treating you this week. Well just I was trying to take a
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  break. Actually.
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  I was going to be like what? Ya know like we've got the event
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  that's going to be starting next week.
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  I have some other stuff that I wanted focus on.
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  So I was like, okay I'm gonna take a bit of a break but I
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  found some free time where I was being entirely unproductive
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  because of Doom, scrolling. And we all know why that's
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  happening. So I dived into.
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  Wow. As one of the games that I could
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  like Escape into and I did some out farming and you know, it
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  just sort of not entirely focused on it.
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  But going through the roof, the wrote three the repetition ran
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  through couple characters through file and then I was
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  going around doing Pandaria. I have never seen a mount drop
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  in Pandaria, it just it just doesn't seem possible me either,
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  you know, Like, and I'm not that I'm a big crazy like Mount
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  farmer and not that. I've put a lot of effort into it
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  or anything like that, but man, I don't think I've ever seen
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  anything come out of Pandaria. I mean, like, I'm saying this,
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  when I have the sparkle Dragon, so clearly it does exist, but
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  well, yeah, yeah. When you get discouraged
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  sometimes. Anyways, so I was at índice De
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  and aside, while I'm waiting for him, this pain that I'm going to
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  go clean up my bags and then I found out that I actually got
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  the mount. The last Mount that I needed
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  from Firelands literally farming for a specific thing.
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  And you just were like, oh, whatever.
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  But clearly, I didn't get it. I mean, it goes to show you that
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  you sometimes. Get even the ones that you think
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  you didn't get. I don't know.
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  You miss one, you don't take. No, I was gonna say that you
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  maybe are too pessimistic. Just assuming that the bad thing
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  is happened. You need to be more optimistic
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  and be like, hey, where's my Mount?
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  Oh no, I don't, I don't go just prescribe to that at all.
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  Listen folks, if you suspect the worst, the worst thing that can
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  happen to you is that you're pleasantly surprised.
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  You just always expect the worst all of the time.
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  Hey, you go, he go. It seems exhausting.
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  No, I think the true moral is that like, yeah, make an effort
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  and eventually you can get rewarded.
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  I think that's the more optimistic way of looking at it.
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  Perfect. I love it.
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  So, how many mounts are you up to now?
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  Oh, I haven't checked recently, I'm over 400 something.
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  Oh my God. That's so many.
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  Can I have some mounts? Clearly, you've got some to
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  spare. A, a sad thing, is that like the
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  other week I got the other Mount from Far lands.
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  The one that you get from ragnaros the pure blood, Flame
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  times like I have no idea. So I can't help you with this.
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  You think I would know because that's actually the second time
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  I've gone that Matt and I felt really bad happy to like toss
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  that because you can't even remember it, you know, I kind of
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  wish that they and I don't know. I mean, maybe it would create a
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  terrible economy thing, we're going to talk about things that
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  impact the economy. A little bit later on in the
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  show but I kind of wish that you could like once you have amount,
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  if it drops for you again, that you were able to sell it on the
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  auction house. Like, Not your first drop, not
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  your first version but if it's already in your collection I
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  wish you could then sell it like that.
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  I don't know. Yeah.
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  These it's like I don't know if it would actually have a
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  negative impact on the economy because these drop rates are so
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  low that you have to figure. There wouldn't be that many
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  available at any one time, right?
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  I mean it's actually a funny thing funny thing because I
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  think that it would actually cause some items to rise in
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  price and or other some items sold go down in price.
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  And it would squash some transmog markets because more
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  people would go in be like hey I can sell them out and find the
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  transmog. Yeah I get certain transmog is
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  and then those items would be more plentiful because there
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  would be more people, farming them.
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  It's a very Thing and then yeah we are going to be talking a
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  little bit about like how changes in systems are going to
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  be affecting economies but the last thing that I was doing was
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  like, obviously I've been looking at at the changes.
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  They've been making specially this week.
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  I saw there were some Shaman changes this week and a couple
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  of other classes and I was like, wow, I knew that they were still
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  doing balance things like I mean they they obviously delayed the
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  expansion for a Season. But at the same time, I'm like,
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  wow, you guys are really kind of cutting it close at this point,
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  it feels like Anyway jarmons priests hunters and I believe
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  I'm not even going to guess because I'm gonna pick the wrong
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  one and then we're gonna get all the angry email but you seem to
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  say death Knights because I feel like it was death Knights.
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  I was not going to say a death knight.
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  Oh okay. But I thought I saw something
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  about death. Oh, you know what?
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  Maybe why I'm thinking death knight is Because one of the
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  other changes with the whole multi boxing thing was people
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  are like yay. I can no longer get death
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  gripped and then one shot by a group of 40, death Knights.
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  That's, that's where death Knights came from, in brownies
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  this weekend. Well, yeah, I mean, honestly,
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  it's not in the notes, but I'm just, I'm gonna, I'm gonna talk
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  a little bit about the shaman changes enough script.
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  You guys look out. They have done a A number on
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  enhancement. Shamans like I was completely
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  about the bill doesn't sound good.
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  Is it good changes? It's mostly good changes.
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  Oh okay, they did a number on them.
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  It's not a its leaves. You kind of befuddled confuse
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  the bit like it's not it's not all good stuff.
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  Honestly when they made changes to shamans get switching over to
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  the Maelstrom they put in A negative or a fifty percent on
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  all the Maelstrom thing. So, like by default a healing
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  surge was like half the effectiveness on enhancement
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  Charmin. Then it would be on an elemental
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  shaman and then you had to counter that by using Maelstrom
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  and they remove that. Now, it's not getting any of the
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  - buff but then on top of that, they change the they change the
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  Bluffs of Of the other ones so it's no longer 50% dampening
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  Aura it is now a 35% and right? And so like just generally
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  anything you use with your Maelstrom weapon is like 15%
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  more powerful your heels if you hard cast them or use them with
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  Maelstrom weapon, they're going to they're going to heal for the
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  same sort of effect and get you and the kids you some
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  survivability like it's with the right PVP talents.
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  You can crit and basically Lay on hands yourself if you've got
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  five stacks and that's oh my God that's that's pretty solid.
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  That's insane. That's like lay on hands has a
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  bajillion minute long cooldown. Yes.
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  But this is like you happen to crit and you got the echo great.
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  And it is not. So it's like the whole it's a
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  whole bunch of procs at once that kind of have to line up.
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  It acknowledges, the only ones that you're looking to force the
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  late, the the echo is a PVP talent that will always give you
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  a 50% of the heel. You did just a few seconds
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  later. Okay.
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  Yeah. So really, you're just looking
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  to crit and then it it'll like restore.
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  Like almost your full HP, which is It still requires that.
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  You have like use up your entire 5 stack of maelstrom weapon but
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  at least it gives us some survivability which is something
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  that enhancement has desperately needed and enhancement is the
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  melee one. I was there I was so close.
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  I was just speaking really slowly so that you could just
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  reassure me that I was right. Now, I mean like there's there's
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  some good things like the the we had a cool down like honestly
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  Jocelyn they increased one of our cooldowns could coefficient
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  by 250%. And it's still the math and it's
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  still Mel my God. So, shamans are in a really,
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  really weird place. Then is what you're telling me.
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  I mean, look now with the right legendary, it can actually be
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  instead of a cool down. It's a sort of sustained effect
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  that you run and boost your damage, which is a very strange
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  thing. But you're using a legendary to
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  keep going. There's a lot of weird things
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  going on with shamans. I don't know how I feel about
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  that. That, you know, making I mean on
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  the one hand I feel Feel like it's cool when legendaries
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  create new ways to play. But at the same time, I don't
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  necessarily want like a class feeling good.
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  To revolve around a specific legendary, even though they're
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  craftable this time around and it's not going to be the crazy
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  random kind of luck that they were in Legion.
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  Yeah, I don't know. I'm on the fence.
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  I don't know how I feel about that.
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  I mean, again, the craftable and we are going to talk about
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  legendary momentarily. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  But The weirdest thing is because we're dealing with
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  tuning. We are dealing with so many
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  numbers and and people have been paying attention have noticed
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  that I haven't been putting in what's happening in the beta
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  into the notes for a while, because they're just all over
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  the place right now. They are kind of getting closer
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  to a good spot but like I would have a key.
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  Yes. But even with the changes that
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  they made last week to like let's say priests because we're
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  talking about shamans for, but they did a bunch of nerves to
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  priest. And then they've reverted a
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  bunch of nerves to praise because they're like, oh, we
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  went we overshot now, we're getting back down, so at least
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  they are, they're kind of trying to dial in to the right
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  position, but they made some changes to Elemental Elemental,
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  being one of the suspect that's doing so nicely so nicely on
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  live right now, but they're going to lose one of the really
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  core as right rates, that's propping them up.
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  And then they further Nerf them this week.
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  And I don't know where Elementals gonna end up, right?
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  And I would think by now people would be able to like
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  confidently choose, which expect they want to play or class.
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  Hey, want to play then it just doesn't seem to be the case.
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  So it is just, it is a weird time.
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  If you are not playing for like, law reasons, or aesthetic
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  reasons, if you are kind of in the mid Maxfield, Strap in,
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  we're not done yet. Yeah.
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  Which is kind of unfortunate. I mean I would hope that in the
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  next week or so they would kind of move from the big sweeping
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  changes portion over to like small tweaks because I would
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  hope. And now granted, a lot of the
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  min-max. People probably have the
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  majority of the classes that they would even be remotely
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  thinking about playing. They probably already have.
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  Them leveled. But still, I mean like now is
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  the time to be like, leveling up your character if you're
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  switching Mains or whatever. Like, it would be really nice if
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  they kind of were in the fine-tuning instead of the I
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  don't even know what you call this phase.
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  What's the opposite of fine? Tuning gross to James.
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  Yeah. Big gigantic sweeping changes
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  like yeah, I feel like they should be past that now and it
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  should be, you know, a half a percent here and a half a
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  percent there just to Try to kind of line everybody up
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  together, but I mean, if they're still making big sweeping
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  changes to to legendaries and and even like rotational kits,
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  like I don't know that just seems crazy like, that should
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  have been done by now. I mean the changes aren't as
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  big. Like we we seem like windfury
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  weapon which was like with the with one Talent getting
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  increased damage by like a hundred percent each time.
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  It procs a camp the 5 and then it got like I'm not sure if Nerf
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  is the right word for this, maybe want to say castrated
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  because it's down to like 35% the nuke it from orbit, it
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  sounded like 35%, they've nursed the assist the associated.
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  Three. It's again, we're into wild
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  changes but It's also because they split up for the 9.01 and
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  the 9.0 to patch. There are people who are playing
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  on live, who think that. That's what it's going to be
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  when shadowlands goes live and it is just, just, ain't just
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  being happy. I mean, we, so we did a raid a
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  couple of weeks ago on a Tuesday because we were like, okay,
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  yeah, a pre patches, in let's go see what all of our characters
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  feel like in a raid environment, you know, going up against boss
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  fights that take more than you know, ten.
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  Sounds like, let's go see what's going on and you have your right
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  like Everything's changed now. Yeah.
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  Like everything everything but could I mean like the they
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  haven't introduced new moves though they have like blown up
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  some some Covenant abilities. It's like the fact that we're
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  dealing with that level of change is what's really just
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  like got me shook? Yeah well hopefully it feels
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  good. By the time we actually get in
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  there in a few weeks and speaking of shadowlands and
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  speaking of The launch. We actually had an interview
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  with Steve Danos. Dan Houser, danu sir.
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  I feel like we got a lower and last week.
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  Yeah, I was like and I just I can't I can't do it.
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  I can't I don't know what it is about this name but it's just
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  beyond me. So Steve had another interview
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  and talking about just basically the lore and the story of
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  shadowlands and there's there's a lot of kind of interesting
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  tidbits to found in this Screen Rant interview and I mean to me
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  the thing that kind of stood out the most, I know it was kind of
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  like way at the end and meant to be like a teaser, but he kind of
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  like talked a little bit about Chronicles and the I guess like
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  story around the Chronicles that they've been pushing.
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  That wasn't that again? Like I'm struggling a little bit
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  as a fan of lore and I know that it's their Universe to write but
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  I really am not a huge fan of basically saying like oh that
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  thing that you thought that you knew wasn't actually right,
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  especially when it's in, you know, lore books, like they
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  published. So Like Chronicles and saying
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  like, oh well, but that was that was the story of Azeroth from
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  the Titans point of view of Mike, since when since you
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  decided to change everything about how the world Works.
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  Yes, boss. Exactly that.
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  And it just, I don't know, I so I'm I have trouble like wrapping
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  my head around any or I guess, maybe not wrapping my head
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  around but like, getting excited for any change when they start
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  referencing Chronicles and how like that's not actually the way
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  that things are I'm like I know you want to broaden the universe
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  and that he's kind of cool. It just seems like you want to
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  break all the rules that we know about the universe.
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  And that's maybe not as cool because then I feel, I think
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  it's because then personally I feel like I no longer know or
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  understand the world and as somebody who even in real life,
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  is like a history buff like this.
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  I love stories, I love the past and so yeah, when I no longer
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  First and that really, really bothers me.
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  So they talked a little bit about the first ones and this
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  was a term. I hadn't actually heard before
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  and I guess it's something. We're going to see and hear more
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  about in the, maybe the moth. But anyways, they started
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  talking about the first ones and that we're going to learn more
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  about them and their history. And like, one part of me is
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  like, oh, cool. Cool, like new cosmic being.
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  And then another part of me is like, oh man, this is where
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  they're talking about, oh, Chronicles was wrong and the
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  Titans lied, and I'm like, but I liked those books.
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  So, I don't know, I'm really torn about some of the future
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  stuff that they talked about in this interview.
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  I mean, remain torn. It is, it is your reaction to
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  literally retroactive, continuity, continuity.
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  That's just literally what this is, and I, I almost want to
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  blame them in the past for writing themselves into a
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  corner. And hopefully they won't do that
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  again, did, right? Is they just they wrote
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  themselves into a corner with the Titans?
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  And then they were like, oh, we had such a cool Titan story.
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  And then, oh, Wow's gonna keep going past the 15-year, Mark.
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  What do we do now? Yeah, it's like they didn't have
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  a huge plan for like where do we go in 20 years like what story
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  are we telling 20 years from now?
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  Which I don't necessarily blame them for because like the
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  success and longevity Of. Wow, it's something that they
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  like they couldn't have seen coming, really right?
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  Like even in their wildest dreams they probably didn't
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  imagine they were going to have this many expansions and have to
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  tell this many stories and explore the universe at the
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  scale that we're now exploring the universe like it started off
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  as like a fight between the alliance and The Horde and we
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  were chopping down trees and stuff like we've gone so far
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  beyond that we're so far away from where we started.
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  So I don't really blame them for like trying to figure out a way
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  around. Around what like though the
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  universe as it was written that long ago, but at the same time
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  I'm kind of like hell, man, but I knew that universe.
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  Yeah, and so now we got to find her place in this new universe.
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  But with this interview, I am optimistic about where we're
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  going and this is stuff that we've sort of like Dean little
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  little bread crumbs that we didn't know where they LED that
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  they've sort of been trying to like piece together with like
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  the return of iligan off and I and I loathe that and at the six
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  tables and all of that sort of stuff and they have clearly been
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  trying to like build not like something completely new but
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  Build-Off further into the cosmology that they do have in
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  Chronicles hmm like they're the kind of like flushing it out
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  like the Titans told us a Severe.
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  And they're trying to add more, that may or may not.
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  Contradict what the Titan said I guess or maybe they're just kind
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  of leaving it open to contradict.
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  And then the if it if it does if there's, you know, a well
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  actually glasses pushing up nerd out there like me who's going to
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  say? Well, actually the Titan said
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  that this power was Bloody blonde, this is this e thing and
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  then they can go. Well, the Titans lied it's like
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  they're just getting ready for me to well actually them on the
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  lower front. Yeah.
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  It tosses pronounce. Well actually.
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  Sorry, he's sorry. I didn't I didn't put on my
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  accent there. That was my fault.
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  But yeah. So I'm glad that you're excited
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  because there were some things that they talked about.
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  Like we had talked about before they talked about arthas and
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  how, you know, getting more information into the forces that
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  may have influenced him to do what he did.
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  Considering it kind of Influenced or forged or whatever
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  so many lives, right? Like his actions and the scourge
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  and everything else like it just it touched All Points.
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  All Races on Azeroth. Right?
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  So they don't want to go into like they want to talk around
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  him and about him but they don't want to like give him.
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  He's not going to be a central character in shadowlands, which
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  I think we talked about last week is the right call, so they
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  kind of echoed that again. And I'm glad that like I'm glad
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  that they're taking that route but I mean there were other
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  other verbiage that was used in his answers like a specifically
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  when he was like talking about Sylvanas and he was like yeah
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  we're going to explore her journey from like, what was it?
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  I can't remember what the first thing was but I remember the
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  second thing was war criminal and I was just like, Oh, you
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  mean just like Garrosh whose story pretty much ended.
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  With a book called war crimes but this is totally not reacting
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  the same story again. Yeah, I think I think at this
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  point we're never going to agree with them on Sylvanas and there
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  are people who will like will like decree that we didn't
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  understand what Cervantes was. But again we're talking about
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  people who have retconned, the entire making of the world.
• 24:25
  So I'm not going to argue about what she was versus what they're
• 24:28
  doing with her. What are you doing with her?
• 24:30
  Now is very much that she is a war criminal.
• 24:35
  We don't have her reasons behind it.
• 24:37
  They have who they have really understood that her being must
• 24:42
  hurling and never understanding why she's doing any of this
• 24:45
  stuff graded on people. And I'm really glad that they're
• 24:48
  going to give us answers now just so that we can at worse
• 24:54
  just move on from it at bad that maybe get That's kind of what
• 24:58
  it, what it seems like. They're, they're just kind of
• 25:01
  positioning her now to just, like, be like, war criminal
• 25:05
  evil. Let's just kill her and wrap it
• 25:07
  up. Like, I don't know who's going
• 25:09
  to do the killing or when I don't even think it really
• 25:11
  matters. I think a lot of people are now
• 25:13
  like just kind of sick of her character and ready to be done
• 25:16
  with it. Which is a really unfortunate
• 25:18
  place to be with character that I think had a lot of potential.
• 25:22
  Not necessarily potential to be good, just potential to be
• 25:25
  interesting. And I think they could have
• 25:26
  taken her in a lot of different ways.
• 25:27
  And they didn't. So yeah.
• 25:29
  Now let's just make her evil writer off from killer.
• 25:33
  I actually don't want her to die now.
• 25:38
  Don't I am completely indifferent.
• 25:41
  Like I don't care anymore. Yeah, I would want her.
• 25:44
  I don't want her to be redeemed. I don't want her as a raid boss,
• 25:49
  but like, if they could position her as kind of like a magath
• 25:54
  agreement Odom, where she's clearly evil, clearly a faction
• 25:57
  against against like the good of the, of the thing of Cala,
• 26:01
  obviously, Right. But you can have like I kind of
• 26:07
  like classic. Wow, when you had the Scarlet
• 26:09
  Crusade that were like a faction in the world, that was a force.
• 26:14
  Well, maybe that's what Sylvanas will be after this, like, she'll
• 26:17
  be taken down the day low be killed the power behind her, but
• 26:21
  she'll be a factional force in that will, that will have to
• 26:26
  deal with and what it won't be like, oh, what's he up to?
• 26:29
  It's like no, that's what they're about.
• 26:31
  This is the like the void runners or whatever they want to
• 26:34
  call. Like the like Evil Shadow
• 26:37
  Runners because I guess it's void is more the other winning a
• 26:41
  windrunner? Yeah, exactly.
• 26:42
  You can't avoid anything unless you think that Illyria and
• 26:44
  Sylvanas are gonna team up somehow which maybe they will.
• 26:49
  Maybe Illyria will go full crazy and and still end up with
• 26:52
  Sylvanas, who knows? But yeah.
• 26:56
  So I think that there are some interesting points and I'm in, I
• 27:01
  think it's going to be fun to learn a little bit more about,
• 27:07
  not necessarily like shadowlands, but just like the
• 27:10
  way that death works and all the systems around it, I think that
• 27:17
  there's some interesting story to be told they're around, like,
• 27:21
  maybe not even the covenants in the zones, though, from
• 27:24
  everyone's feedback on the So far without spoilers, it's been
• 27:27
  pretty positive story wise, but just like, I'm interested about
• 27:34
  the world and the mechanisms of shadowlands if that makes sense.
• 27:39
  So yeah, I mean like how the Arbiter like sends a Souls, if
• 27:45
  they are like all supposed to go to the mall and like that's what
• 27:48
  it was before, any of like the original plan happened and how
• 27:53
  like each Each zone is a reflection of that.
• 27:57
  Like I think like the greater McKim mechanism of the
• 28:01
  shadowlands is a very interesting thing to delve into
• 28:04
  and like obviously something that they have like being
• 28:08
  tantalisingly dangling in front of us.
• 28:10
  So I'm really jazzed to go into that.
• 28:13
  Maybe that's why maybe it's because it is this, this thing
• 28:16
  that they've been very subtly teasing us with like they've.
• 28:20
  They've been focusing on the covenants and the zones
• 28:23
  specifically quite a lot and I wonder if because it's been
• 28:28
  these like undertones of like there's more here, like you said
• 28:31
  with the Arbiter and the whole mechanism of death and all that
• 28:35
  kind of stuff, like it's been there.
• 28:38
  But it's been so in the background that, yeah, maybe
• 28:40
  that's why I'm so excited about it, you know.
• 28:43
  It's like, it feels like it's the thing that I know the least
• 28:47
  about but it's like, they're just teasing my mind.
• 28:51
  Yeah, and I love that one part where he's like saying like, you
• 28:55
  know, like the mechanism of death, it was working just fine
• 29:00
  but it just degraded so fast as soon as like there was, I don't
• 29:04
  want to call it a hiccup but as soon as like the the spice
• 29:07
  stopped flowing suddenly, everybody's at each other's
• 29:10
  throats and all the zones have like broken down and
• 29:14
  disconnected from each other. And so there's a question of
• 29:16
  like, was this actually a good system if it just even had no
• 29:20
  ability to? Deal with any kind of level of
• 29:22
  stress and I think that's a very cool subject to dive into, I'm
• 29:29
  hoping that that's that's mind on the one hand, it is and I
• 29:33
  understand what you're saying and I probably a year ago would
• 29:36
  have been fully on board but I feel like it's just sitting too
• 29:40
  close to home at this point in the pandemic, right.
• 29:42
  Like there's so many of our systems in the way that we've
• 29:46
  lived our lives that like with this small amount of stress of
• 29:50
  like, okay. Everyone just has to stay home
• 29:52
  for a bit now. It's like everything's
• 29:53
  imploding. No no man.
• 29:56
  It's just this whole idea is just hitting too close to home
• 30:00
  for me. Oh man, I would talk about this
• 30:03
  in the abstract because good good fiction, reflects reality.
• 30:08
  So hopefully they do this well and I would talk about it in
• 30:14
  very specific details. About our life, but on a
• 30:18
  different show. Yes.
• 30:20
  What shall we? Happy Manny rested.
• 30:25
  XP is actually going to be doing a show regarding, I guess, life
• 30:31
  in North America, in terms of a bit of the politics that we're
• 30:36
  dealing with now and how is going to be reflected in
• 30:39
  Reverend breath? No, no, no.
• 30:43
  There's a lot more reflection than just in revving draft, but
• 30:46
  that will be a show that will be happening next week for Anybody
• 30:51
  who's interested in that and of course, that's over at rested
• 30:55
  XP. If you want to follow that or on
• 30:57
  Twitter, that's rested, XP, cast or YouTube.
• 30:59
  We throw those up on YouTube and, of course, on Twitch, we
• 31:02
  record live by ANSI moving forward from that.
• 31:08
  I think that With this like we're talking about last week
• 31:14
  and how you alluded to it earlier this Specter of arthas
• 31:17
  and the decisions he made and how it shaped the direction of
• 31:21
  the world. I really do like that.
• 31:26
  I don't want a Weekend at Bernie's.
• 31:28
  Let's drag up the corpse of arthas and have him dance to
• 31:32
  whatever. Tune there they're doing this
• 31:34
  time. So I'm glad that they're being
• 31:36
  respectful of that Legacy and as is everything Yeah.
• 31:42
  As far as I'm glad that they're saying that they're being
• 31:44
  respectful of that Legacy and that that is a that they're
• 31:48
  trying to do a death touch on it because we've had ham-fisted,
• 31:53
  we've had we're not going to give you details but we're just
• 31:56
  going to Allude to stuff. And I'd love to start getting
• 32:01
  answers because Since they have started jumping and sort of
• 32:06
  weaving, The Narrative between expansions do feel like B.
• 32:11
  If a is the least self-contained expansion and I and there's a
• 32:15
  lot that needs to pay out and I don't want it holding off for
• 32:18
  another expansion past that. So I'm hoping for some good
• 32:21
  stuff, that's a good point and that's actually something they
• 32:23
  touched on this interview as well.
• 32:26
  Talking about how shadowlands was going to have a very
• 32:30
  definitive ending and and Rap put a bow on those kind of
• 32:35
  stories. And this is definitely my
• 32:38
  preferred style of expansion. It feels like the expansions
• 32:43
  that I like the least are the ones that are kind of like the
• 32:47
  in-between. And I know that they've talked
• 32:49
  about, how they start narratively thinking a couple of
• 32:53
  expansions ahead of time, which I think it's one thing to like,
• 32:58
  have an idea in your head of where you want to go, but it's a
• 33:02
  whole nother thing. NG to take a story and then make
• 33:07
  your players. Wait, for 45 years for a payoff
• 33:10
  like they did with Sylvanas. So it's like they started with
• 33:14
  this idea of where they wanted to go, kind of like Midway
• 33:18
  through. I would assume Legion maybe a
• 33:21
  little bit even sooner than that, because, obviously, Legion
• 33:24
  ended with the, with us defeating sargeras and the big
• 33:28
  stab that brought Azurite into the world.
• 33:30
  So, if you look at like Sylvanas, the story from there,
• 33:33
  And you also have like, so all the way through Legion and then,
• 33:38
  well, I guess even before at the very beginning because that's
• 33:40
  the with the whole vol'jin whisper thing, right?
• 33:43
  Like so if you take all the way through Legion, all the way
• 33:48
  through BFA and you're looking for a resolution and a reason to
• 33:52
  Sylvanas story, then the reason that I said earlier on that, I
• 33:56
  just don't care anymore is, it's gone on way too long.
• 34:00
  So there's something to be said about like having Characters
• 34:05
  like arcs and stories in mind and a whole other thing of just
• 34:09
  like dragging it out, for the sake of dragging it out, I mean,
• 34:12
  they were talking about us like getting some insight and answers
• 34:15
  and all that kind of stuff. Like at the beginning of bf8.
• 34:18
  I remember saying at the beginning to be if a I'm like if
• 34:20
  I have to wait until 8.1 to here you know the wise or get more
• 34:27
  insights or whatever like that's really gonna suck that's a
• 34:30
  that's a really long time it between like patches like we
• 34:33
  could be looking It like waiting 12 weeks to get some sort of
• 34:36
  insight or resolution and now years later we're getting the
• 34:42
  next expansion and I'm like well that was longer than 8.1 you
• 34:47
  know. Like it just it's they just
• 34:49
  they've dragged it on too long and these in between expansions
• 34:52
  and I think it's probably why usually every other expansion is
• 34:56
  seen as you know, good or bad is like because you have kind of
• 35:02
  like the really good. Mansion that wraps up a story
• 35:06
  and has an ending like we kill arthas or we defeat the legion,
• 35:11
  right? Like those are very like
• 35:15
  Important points in time that you can say, like, that is a
• 35:18
  huge story that's just wrapped up versus like the end of
• 35:22
  Warlords of Draenor, which was gold on escapes and starts the
• 35:25
  events of Legion. You know, at the end of Legion,
• 35:29
  it's like, okay, well, now we're just going into BFA and at the
• 35:33
  end of BFA, like we defeat Nazareth and that just kind of
• 35:36
  feels blah. But really, what happened was
• 35:39
  Sylvanas, got a way to start the events of shadowlands like
• 35:42
  they're these in between Variances that don't necessarily
• 35:46
  have a strong ending to a story that is their own and I think
• 35:51
  those are the expansions that suffer the most narratively.
• 35:55
  So I'm glad that there is a an endpoint in shadowlands.
• 36:01
  I'm glad that there is a story that they're looking to tell
• 36:04
  that will have a satisfying conclusion.
• 36:07
  Come the end of the expansion so that we can start something new
• 36:10
  after the fact and it they can they can like lay groundwork.
• 36:14
  Work in the previous expansion and I think that's always fun.
• 36:18
  Like I mean we love to speculate so I think it's always
• 36:21
  interesting and fun to speculate and look for hints and Easter
• 36:25
  eggs and all that kind of stuff that might give us information
• 36:27
  about what's coming in the next expansion.
• 36:29
  But I don't think that they've done it correctly with a lot of
• 36:32
  the narratives, like, through water.
• 36:34
  And then through BFA, it's like, they're just, they're just too,
• 36:39
  they're too far ahead, you know, like, we want answers sooner
• 36:43
  than that, or at least I do. Do I would agree with you?
• 36:46
  I think that it's not just like I think that BFA didn't fail on
• 36:52
  all fronts. I think that BFA where it
• 36:55
  really, really dropped the ball is that it strung along the main
• 37:02
  story for so long and then suddenly switched stories.
• 37:07
  Yes, we were here. We were, yeah, we were faction
• 37:10
  War faction, War faction war, and done.
• 37:13
  Suddenly, we were old guy. Odds, yeah, right.
• 37:16
  And so, there was a lot of people saying that.
• 37:20
  Hey, like this off isn't getting his due.
• 37:22
  Yeah. Which was, which was one of my
• 37:24
  criticisms, right? And there's a lot of people
• 37:27
  saying like, hey, like, you haven't actually finished this
• 37:30
  Silvana storyline, which is another criticism.
• 37:34
  Legion did have its plants as well, right?
• 37:37
  We had The Whispers of Elkin off, right?
• 37:41
  Which were ripe for Elation, we'd love to yes, those oh man.
• 37:46
  The Whispers were the best, especially when combined with
• 37:50
  the shadow priest legendary weapon, right?
• 37:52
  That would talk to you about the top.
• 37:54
  Like when you were, you combine her stuff with like when you get
• 37:57
  her in certain rooms and things. And that's the kind of thing
• 38:00
  that I think is really interesting because it's like,
• 38:02
  it's very specific. It's there for the lore nerds
• 38:05
  but it's not interfering with the main point of the expansion.
• 38:10
  And I think that we just did in BFA, it could have had a point
• 38:14
  And it really didn't it tried to tell too many stories so that
• 38:18
  none of them really felt like they Sean and they got their due
• 38:22
  and they had a fully satisfying conclusion, like Toronto is
• 38:27
  another really great example like she had a very finite
• 38:33
  start, you know what I mean? Like a very pointed beginning
• 38:37
  with the burning of teldrassil, like that was the start of her
• 38:39
  story and BFA. Like obviously she's a character
• 38:42
  that's been around for ten thousand years but You know, her
• 38:45
  journey started when teldrassil burned answer story arc,
• 38:48
  beginning, exactly. And you know, she just kind of
• 38:52
  got this like a cinematic here and questline there but she was
• 38:56
  so pushed off to the side and she was one of the most
• 38:58
  interesting stories of BFA and it just like we kept just
• 39:03
  saying, like, you know, where's Toronto where's tyrande?
• 39:05
  Like she should be in the thick of this and she just wasn't and
• 39:10
  I know that it was a choice that they made to focus on other
• 39:12
  things. But I was just like, man.
• 39:14
  How is that was the wrong choice?
• 39:16
  That was the wrong focus. And then now she's kind of like
• 39:21
  playing a bigger role now but it's just like it's felt like a
• 39:24
  missed opportunity and his office was the same.
• 39:26
  He like yeah I was hinted hinted hinted like kind of threw out
• 39:32
  but then it was just he ended up being an in and out in a patch
• 39:35
  kind of a villain and it was like oh man like that could have
• 39:38
  been done differently or better. Yeah, and the other one that was
• 39:43
  in Legion was the ravings of the tortured dreadlord.
• 39:52
  Why am I blanking on his name? He was like savants.
• 39:55
  His right hand for so long until wrathgate.
• 39:58
  Oh, I know you're not very much. Yeah, okay, right.
• 40:05
  Yep. And he said stuff which was also
• 40:09
  kind of cryptic and FedEx, and then we found out what the what
• 40:13
  the answer was for that. So, They did very nice seating
• 40:21
  and they have done that again in BFA but nobody's talking about
• 40:26
  it because the conclusion wasn't actually a conclusion.
• 40:31
  The entire thing is running through so these Whispers that
• 40:35
  we've got an aisle otha from yet again from ill Kenneth, right?
• 40:41
  Nobody's talking about him because we already know our
• 40:43
  street through thread. We're not really Concerned with
• 40:49
  that because it just has the same way.
• 40:52
  Yeah, I didn't even really realize and again, as someone
• 40:54
  who is a lawyer nerd, I didn't even really realize that like
• 40:58
  algún off had new prophetic Whispers, I was just kind of
• 41:01
  like, let's just go kill this boss, whatever.
• 41:04
  Like I was so disengaged by the end of this expansion.
• 41:06
  And I knew exactly, like you said, where we were going and
• 41:10
  how we were getting there when it came to shadowlands and, you
• 41:12
  know, like Sylvanas has Allied herself with this, Jailer guy
• 41:15
  who just wants souls and we delivered.
• 41:17
  Add them via this war. Go team.
• 41:21
  Like, let's move on to the next expansion now.
• 41:23
  So, yeah, I didn't even pay attention to the new Whispers.
• 41:27
  And so I think that the the strangest thing that really hurt
• 41:31
  the lore was the mechanics, actually.
• 41:34
  I think that because they had to delay patch cycle after patch
• 41:39
  cycle because they wanted to fix Azurite get the Essences in,
• 41:44
  right? And it pushed back when we were
• 41:46
  getting these stuff. By the time we were facing this
• 41:49
  off, he was absolutely Clips because we are knew so much
• 41:52
  about shadowlands that he wasn't even the focus.
• 41:55
  So it really really die. Meet any chance they were going
• 42:01
  to get for like a hype sort of thing or people like going back
• 42:07
  and doing all of that. That.
• 42:13
  Speculation because it's too much of the information was
• 42:16
  already out there. So I think that that's also
• 42:19
  something that we have to consider is that the timing of
• 42:22
  the information. We got also change from Legion.
• 42:25
  So again, hoping and from the interviews and from what was
• 42:31
  said, it does look like there's going to be some great stuff.
• 42:35
  I think that BFA it's leveling experience was quite fun and was
• 42:40
  quite great to set up. The story was Very tight.
• 42:44
  So I'm expecting that to continue through into into
• 42:49
  Channel. Well, I'm not going to say that
• 42:50
  I'm expecting to. I played the The Experience.
• 42:54
  Yeah. You know right you're there they
• 42:57
  do. A great job.
• 42:58
  Setting up all the covenants, you will care about all of them.
• 43:01
  If you are somebody who's like Lori and hated and you're like,
• 43:06
  oh, I'm going with this. Because that's what, that's the
• 43:08
  one that's always going to be. That pulling me towards it.
• 43:13
  They're going to make you think about it.
• 43:14
  There's going to be characters. You're like, oh man, I kind of
• 43:16
  kind of want to hang out with that guy again even though it's
• 43:18
  not like unicorns or whatever money does, tickle your fancy.
• 43:24
  Yeah. So I think overall it was an it
• 43:28
  was a good interview. It was, it's actually a fairly
• 43:30
  quick read. If you guys are interested, the
• 43:31
  link is in our show notes. Again, that interview was over
• 43:35
  on Screen Rant. We also got some some more
• 43:40
  speaking of like, hyping up Shadow lands in the different
• 43:43
  Ensign zones and stuff. We got almost like fly through
• 43:46
  videos released on YouTube from the warcraft team and there's
• 43:52
  okay, so first of all, they're pretty much spoiler-free.
• 43:55
  You will see the kind of environment and you will see
• 44:01
  some allies and some villains though it's not necessarily
• 44:07
  clear who is who, so I mean there's I would, I would say
• 44:11
  they are light. Ours, in terms of like character
• 44:14
  models and stuff but there's no actual story.
• 44:16
  There's nothing there's no names of anything like the ui's
• 44:20
  totally off but it is like an in-game fly through and I
• 44:25
  thought the Bastion one and obviously the art and wheeled
• 44:27
  one but I thought the Bastion one with looked really cool.
• 44:31
  I thought the Revan dreth meld raxus and particularly the Moss
• 44:37
  are still for me suffering from looking really empty.
• 44:43
  Like, I want more stuff like Bastion was giving me like
• 44:49
  nagrand type Vibes and it seemed like there was like lots of
• 44:54
  beings in and around the environment.
• 44:57
  And there were lots of like trees and bushes and stuff,
• 45:01
  which I realized like Reverend wrath is a castle.
• 45:03
  Mild Roxas is a little bit more like Rocky and lava and that
• 45:09
  kind of anesthetic. And then the mall obviously is
• 45:12
  meant to be Bleek, so there's not much there and obviously
• 45:17
  Arden wield as well. Is another Zone that is very
• 45:20
  just there's this, a flush of life.
• 45:23
  But yeah, full of life. So like again, lots of bushes
• 45:26
  and grasses, and flowers, and trees and stuff on top of all of
• 45:30
  the characters that are actually in the areas.
• 45:33
  So, I understand aesthetically where each zone is coming from.
• 45:39
  I just, I was a little, I'm a little bit worried because it
• 45:42
  looks like It's like big gray rock land with one dude standing
• 45:47
  in the middle of it. And you can't see anything else
• 45:50
  and I'm just like, that's okay, maybe a little more visual
• 45:54
  interest somehow. So the Y is the more like they
• 46:00
  have done the revamp so that the mechanics are in there and you
• 46:04
  have a reason to be there. The visual revamp is that some
• 46:11
  enemies have fire on them. Some enemies.
• 46:14
  Don't some enemies have Frost. I'd like I feel like the mama is
• 46:18
  still very much. The why do you want to go there
• 46:20
  Place visually? Which is a sad thing.
• 46:24
  Rev rev, I actually disagree with you.
• 46:27
  This fly through of Reverend draft, actually excited me about
• 46:31
  the Zone like it looked look better.
• 46:33
  It made me actually jump back in to the bait.
• 46:38
  And just sort of go around like they're the courtyards.
• 46:43
  Like there's always like some Castle or something, looming off
• 46:47
  in the background, they like blood magic and all of that.
• 46:51
  And like you see you see it online?
• 46:53
  You looked really cool that like Central Fountain thing that
• 46:57
  looked really neat which I think is that the fountain?
• 47:00
  Like when you first come into Shadow lands in that zone?
• 47:04
  There's there's more remember that there is one right when you
• 47:08
  walk in. Yeah, I remember like when you
• 47:10
  first showed up in the beta that there was that like big Fountain
• 47:14
  thing and then somebody was like escorting you around and stuff
• 47:17
  and there's like a flight Master off to the right.
• 47:19
  And the yeah, there was that big big gear imposing figure when
• 47:24
  you first showed up in Reverend breath.
• 47:26
  Yeah, so the revenue F1 was actually quite nice and maybe
• 47:33
  really want to turn My graphical settings, but meld raxus from
• 47:39
  play through, that is a busy Zone.
• 47:43
  Like your I get that they're that it is like the scourge sort
• 47:49
  of bone and death and that but I find Mel Drax has a lot of
• 47:55
  visual diversity. Maybe didn't quite show it in
• 47:58
  this video because they want to avoid spoilers sort of stuff.
• 48:03
  Possibly. Yeah.
• 48:04
  Yeah. Yeah but with the 5 in 5
• 48:07
  different houses and they each have sort of a different Motif
• 48:11
  on the scored variant, maybe that's why I was so disappointed
• 48:15
  with the meld racks. This one is because I was just
• 48:17
  like I know that this is basically like the Game of
• 48:21
  Thrones own, this is the one with the multiple houses vying
• 48:24
  for control and they all have their own like armies and
• 48:27
  different. They like Master different
• 48:30
  portions of death and like Mal Drax is could be super cool.
• 48:34
  And then the fly through, I think you might be right about
• 48:37
  them just trying to avoid spoilers because I was like I
• 48:39
  feel like they could and should have way more to this Zone than
• 48:44
  what they showed. Yeah.
• 48:47
  So honestly I think the the Moss is the one that suffers most
• 48:53
  from this just because it just doesn't have that visual
• 48:56
  distinction. Although I did think that the
• 48:59
  the character models in the mall looked really cool.
• 49:04
  And the thing that I noticed across all zones that I thought
• 49:08
  was really interesting and it does make sense.
• 49:09
  But what I did notice out of all of the zones was that they're
• 49:15
  not necessarily, I wouldn't call them reused character models but
• 49:19
  I'd call them like inspired by which kind of makes sense,
• 49:22
  right? If you've got a world that is
• 49:25
  full of creatures that we've killed and then also, you know,
• 49:30
  you have stories about like Odin peering into the And then you
• 49:35
  know making things on Azeroth in the image of what he saw when he
• 49:40
  peered through the veil. So like that kind of explains
• 49:45
  like when he looked into the veil and saw the Korean and
• 49:47
  that's why the valkyr look how they look.
• 49:50
  So I think those parallels are really interesting but then it's
• 49:54
  like the character models in shadowlands are like, kicked up
• 49:59
  to eleven versions of what we've seen before.
• 50:02
  So there was there was a Boss in Tomb of sargeras that stuck out
• 50:07
  to me when I saw a similar model in the mall and I'm was it like
• 50:11
  the amalgam of souls or something?
• 50:13
  It's the one where the mechanic was like, you had to let you
• 50:15
  went down the stairs, then you were on a platform and then like
• 50:18
  some people were like in the down and some people were up and
• 50:21
  there was like, no, you gotta is see Malcolm.
• 50:24
  Okay? Yeah, model has been reused
• 50:27
  several times and it upsets me every time because like the
• 50:31
  original use of that model is actually an ICC that Is Lourdes
• 50:34
  narro Gars the model? Okay.
• 50:38
  Yeah and then the used it, I forget when the first time
• 50:42
  they've used it because they've used it twice.
• 50:45
  I'm going to say twice. They've used it in Legion for
• 50:49
  the one dungeon that was the Citadel of the night elves and I
• 50:55
  cannot remember the name of it like tonight, hold or something.
• 50:59
  Oh no. I told was the ring wasn't I
• 51:00
  told it was it was Guitars. No, no this is the this is out
• 51:11
  and on the broken Isles, it's in broken Isles.
• 51:16
  There was like the tomb of sargeras and then there was the
• 51:18
  dungeon that was there to know. Oh I am literally going to play
• 51:23
  some bad radio and check this out, any Google it but also also
• 51:27
  while since I can remember the other the other time the most
• 51:30
  recent time it's been used, they used it as a flaming version of
• 51:34
  It is when you're doing your, your cloak quest in Oldham and
• 51:39
  that was used again in cataclysm because that's a second time.
• 51:44
  One has been used, picked a bad example, then is what you're
• 51:47
  saying? No, no because it's kicked up a
• 51:50
  lot and it's just shows how much they've improved it.
• 51:53
  So it's actually a great example that they that they have reused.
• 51:57
  But it, I just thump what I meant to say was that sometimes
• 52:01
  when they reuse models, it annoys the crap, Up out of me
• 52:04
  and simply being told, but they've done it.
• 52:07
  Well, this time and I enjoy it good.
• 52:10
  But yeah, that was that was one thing that I noticed was David
• 52:13
  Holt, I remembered. Oh, oh, oh okay, yeah, okay.
• 52:17
  I see what you're saying. Yeah, that was like, night elves
• 52:20
  night elves. Like there was so much elves in
• 52:23
  that expansion, like, that doesn't really nervous.
• 52:26
  I couldn't remember the stupid Zone either, so I was like, just
• 52:30
  grasping at straws, but yeah, Raven whole is the Is the first
• 52:35
  boss that, like, draws the souls to it, right?
• 52:38
  Right. Yeah, yeah.
• 52:40
  So, so, yeah, that was the big thing that stood out, to me, it
• 52:44
  across, kind of all of the different videos, is just how
• 52:46
  many things looked just the same only different like familiar,
• 52:50
  but warped sometimes and which I think is, is a really
• 52:55
  interesting take and makes sense with the lure of the expansion.
• 53:00
  So I look forward to seeing what all these models look like.
• 53:04
  Like, when we actually get in game and yeah, if you haven't
• 53:06
  checked them out again, there are no actual story spoilers in
• 53:11
  these videos. So if you do want to check them
• 53:14
  out in your, trying to remain spoiler-free, these are pretty
• 53:16
  good. Just overall views of what the
• 53:19
  Zones look like, if you're still having trouble to choose a
• 53:23
  covenant. Also, if you're on Twitter, the
• 53:26
  warcraft Twitter account today. If you're speaking of having
• 53:28
  trouble choosing a covenant to, we do dare to GIF that just
• 53:32
  cycle through the Covenant. So, You click on it once it will
• 53:35
  start and then if you click on it again it will stop and that's
• 53:37
  your Covenant. You can choose.
• 53:39
  Yeah. I mean For people who are into
• 53:44
  topography as well. If you go over to the Instagram
• 53:48
  account, they have the maps of the different zones that they
• 53:51
  released an on time. But with this, and I had got to
• 53:54
  go. My found that fun.
• 53:57
  Yeah. I am a huge, huge map nerd.
• 53:59
  So as soon as you said typography, I was like, do you
• 54:02
  mean like with maps Manny? Yes they have the maps they have
• 54:07
  little points of interest. I feel because they have names
• 54:10
  of the different Is that is a little heavier, on the spoilers.
• 54:15
  So it hasn't linked here. But anybody who wants to search
• 54:17
  that out, Instagram. Look up the official World of
• 54:21
  Warcraft account. They've got them all.
• 54:23
  Very, very cool. So we hinted earlier on that, we
• 54:27
  were going to talk a little bit about the economy this week.
• 54:31
  And basically, we're doing that because blizzard mayday I guess,
• 54:36
  bold choice, they changed their policy to ban the use of input
• 54:42
  broadcasting software, which basically enables.
• 54:46
  It doesn't necessarily enable multi boxing but it enables
• 54:50
  multi boxing to get easy and therefore toxic because
• 54:55
  basically you can no longer use software to duplicate your
• 55:01
  inputs into multiple windows. Which basically Would people to
• 55:07
  have multiple instances on multiple accounts of Warcraft
• 55:10
  running and then they would be say all Druids and those like
• 55:15
  five or six Druids would just follow each other around and
• 55:19
  because your inputs were duplicated you would just get
• 55:22
  these groups of thing going and like all farming say, one herb
• 55:26
  node. So, instead of getting the like
• 55:29
  325 of an herb that you were supposed to, if you were playing
• 55:33
  as one person, you were getting that times.
• 55:35
  Five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.
• 55:37
  However, many Druid characters and accounts, you wanted to pay
• 55:40
  for therefore Putting a lot of resources into the economy that
• 55:47
  maybe weren't meant to be there. Now, you can still do this but
• 55:52
  probably with a lot less accounts because you can or
• 55:55
  sorry, because the nodes will despawn after a short period of
• 55:59
  time. So you can still create multiple
• 56:02
  accounts set. All the accounts to follow the
• 56:05
  first one and then go into each window and manually.
• 56:08
  Click like probably four or five times before the node
• 56:11
  disappears, so you can still do it.
• 56:13
  It. But it's going to be a whole lot
• 56:14
  harder than it was before because before you were
• 56:17
  basically just playing one version of Warcraft with many
• 56:21
  others running kind of behind it.
• 56:24
  All duplicating your same actions.
• 56:26
  So Manny what are your thoughts on this?
• 56:30
  Because I'll admit, like, when we when you and I actually
• 56:34
  started doing this, like, it literally over 100 episodes ago.
• 56:38
  I didn't even know what multi boxing was.
• 56:41
  So and ever since then, It's actually really funny because I
• 56:45
  had a very similar situation when I first saw it in game like
• 56:48
  for the first time as I think on totally completely blanking on
• 56:53
  who it was. But it was, there was some wow
• 56:56
  personality on Twitter that I saw that said this, it basically
• 56:59
  was just like the first time I saw a multi boxer in the wild.
• 57:02
  I reported them for cheating like, my gut reaction to multi
• 57:06
  boxing. Is?
• 57:06
  It seems like cheating to me, but I guess now blizzard agrees
• 57:10
  with me, but it's been in. around for so long that maybe
• 57:16
  it's not a thing that I should be upset about.
• 57:21
  I don't know as someone who's played since vanilla many.
• 57:24
  How do you feel about this? Also, I've never what are you?
• 57:27
  What did you just send me that better?
• 57:29
  Not be your setup. No no for our dear listeners
• 57:36
  which is all of our listeners. I've said just somebody who's
• 57:39
  decided to get around this multi boxing.
• 57:44
  What are we going to call it? It's a miracle.
• 57:47
  I don't know. Is that what ate mice taped
• 57:51
  together and held straight with dowels?
• 57:55
  Yeah. Yeah, so basically they haven't
• 57:59
  banned multi boxing. As Joss has said, you can still
• 58:03
  multi box and have multiple accounts going.
• 58:06
  It just you won't have the broadcasting software to like
• 58:10
  click once and then every all of your characters do that.
• 58:14
  So what this person has done is that they have set up Ate mice
• 58:19
  plus like a bunch of the mini keypads so that they can press.
• 58:26
  A single thing. And it depresses the button on
• 58:30
  all of the mice or all of the mini keypads so that they can
• 58:34
  still multi, boom, they can still Farm multi box over eight
• 58:38
  characters, that's insane yet. Like I said, I feel like I just,
• 58:43
  I want to put this photo into the show notes somehow because I
• 58:47
  was just making. Ours are titled picture.
• 58:50
  That's what this is. Okay.
• 58:52
  Yeah, we go. I'll make it the title card
• 58:53
  because, yeah, this setup is insane.
• 58:56
  But multi boxing has always been a great thing.
• 59:02
  It is close to automatization but it's not exactly
• 59:06
  automatization if you were going to.
• 59:08
  If you're going to say that this is automatization, then macros
• 59:11
  are automatization. Ready.
• 59:13
  The same time levels of macros have been curtailed because they
• 59:17
  don't like it. When you press one button and
• 59:20
  you have a delay macro, so that it goes through, let's say a
• 59:24
  rotation. If you actually We have a
• 59:26
  rotation macros used to have that power and they shut it down
• 59:30
  because it was too close to optimization.
• 59:33
  Same thing is where they're finding themselves with multi
• 59:37
  boxing. It is too easy to get too much
• 59:41
  of an Advantage. Multi boxers would run in groups
• 59:44
  of 10 or they would group running groups of eight
• 59:46
  depending on what they were doing.
• 59:49
  And what that meant was that markets were getting flooded and
• 59:53
  blizzard was responding by making mats like, like they were
• 1:00:00
  making recipes, require a ton of mats and we require a lot of
• 1:00:06
  usage and then they were to throwing and stuff like the the
• 1:00:13
  Scrapper Matic or whatever the alliance one is, sorry Alliance,
• 1:00:16
  I don't know. But at least I know it's a
• 1:00:19
  different thing. So I did not know anything.
• 1:00:22
  So so that people were getting like Matt's all over the place
• 1:00:26
  or they'd have Garrison's and remember how much I Garrison
• 1:00:30
  spat out for materials, right? And all of that is to combat
• 1:00:35
  just one problem by only a few people.
• 1:00:38
  And I know, like I started seeing them a whole lot more
• 1:00:42
  BFA. And I don't know if it's because
• 1:00:43
  I was excuse me, paying attention, or if they just Were
• 1:00:49
  more prevalent, but I mean in specifically in oh the oh my
• 1:00:58
  God, the pain. They point to Zone the
• 1:01:00
  underwater Zone. Yeah nashit ours.
• 1:01:02
  Nice big heart. Yeah, yeah it for whatever
• 1:01:05
  reason, I would see Druids flying around there all the time
• 1:01:07
  and I would just be trying to get enough Xin to farm for, you
• 1:01:13
  know, the rate team so that we could have our flasks and stuff
• 1:01:16
  and it's like I couldn't get two things.
• 1:01:18
  Quickly enough and all of the mats were already gone and I was
• 1:01:22
  just like man what is going on? And then you see this like cloud
• 1:01:26
  of Druids flying by and you're just like, oh that's what's
• 1:01:30
  going on. So that was what was always
• 1:01:32
  going on in. Yeah, it's like They shouldn't
• 1:01:37
  have Contigo first one time. Yeah, they shouldn't have to
• 1:01:39
  make a whole bunch of systems and economy changes to combat
• 1:01:44
  something like this. If you know it is exploiting
• 1:01:49
  something that automate your key presses, right?
• 1:01:52
  Again, I like I understand that you know, it for the rest of the
• 1:01:57
  conversation, we are going to use automated as short form.
• 1:02:00
  We do understand that it's not pure automatization that you do
• 1:02:04
  have. Have one person who is pushing
• 1:02:07
  up putting in the input, right? It's not a bot that's going it's
• 1:02:11
  just as close to a bought. It skirting the the terms of
• 1:02:15
  service and Applause. Yeah.
• 1:02:16
  As an actual person can get yeah.
• 1:02:19
  Right. And that's why it was such a
• 1:02:22
  gray area, it's gotten worse. People who do these multi box
• 1:02:28
  Farms were generating enough money to pay for all of their
• 1:02:32
  accounts through the token that Presses that that depresses.
• 1:02:37
  The value of the token because so much gold is being or sorry
• 1:02:41
  inflates. The value of a token because so
• 1:02:42
  much gold is being generated and they're being bought out at a
• 1:02:45
  rate that people who might want to play one character and pay
• 1:02:48
  with the token, can't generate the money to do that.
• 1:02:51
  That's that's an effect right prices for all of the herbs and
• 1:02:57
  all of the raw materials were tanking because that's an effect
• 1:03:01
  people who were farming. Just rare be oh he's that's an
• 1:03:06
  effect because you will run around.
• 1:03:08
  And I saw this when I was leveling the other day and I
• 1:03:11
  just didn't mention it but you will be running around in a Zone
• 1:03:15
  and there will be four boom kids over here and for boom kids over
• 1:03:19
  there and they'll all eight of them will have the same name and
• 1:03:22
  they will just be spamming AOE to tag everything and you will
• 1:03:27
  be able to do a quest because they're disrupting.
• 1:03:29
  You, I mean so so many screenshots of that and And
• 1:03:34
  complaints of that on Twitter and the last couple weeks
• 1:03:36
  basically since the new leveling system, the cromie time, came
• 1:03:41
  in, then people are saying, you know like oh I'm trying to level
• 1:03:44
  through. I feel like Legion was a
• 1:03:49
  problem. People were talking about and
• 1:03:51
  then also, Warlords of Draenor. Yep, it was happening a lot in
• 1:03:58
  any area that has a high spawn rate so that they can keep
• 1:04:01
  going. It was a big thing.
• 1:04:04
  So, It's not borders that have ruined it.
• 1:04:08
  It's people who have been multi boxing and really affecting
• 1:04:14
  other players who aren't multi boxing that has sort of pushed
• 1:04:17
  it over the line. And that's why we're getting
• 1:04:20
  this change so close to the launch because that was the big
• 1:04:23
  thing that was making me scratch.
• 1:04:25
  My head was why they issued this and it's a 180 for so long.
• 1:04:30
  They've been fine with multi boxing and now they've shut it
• 1:04:34
  down and the Reason behind it is because with cromie time with
• 1:04:38
  people leveling, these, these people who are leveling, their
• 1:04:42
  multi boxers have gotten directly in the way of other
• 1:04:46
  people who haven't with an incredibly strong advantage that
• 1:04:50
  cannot be, that cannot be ignored anymore.
• 1:04:53
  And so, multi, boxers got the spotlight back on themselves and
• 1:04:57
  I think if they were just farming herbs, people were
• 1:05:02
  somewhat used to it at that. Yeah, it was kind of like Part
• 1:05:05
  of just how the economy worked, right?
• 1:05:08
  And I think that's the thing, that's the difference between
• 1:05:11
  farming materials versus killing mobs, right?
• 1:05:14
  Is that one thing is hidden behind a system that you may or
• 1:05:18
  may not engage with as a player but the other is very in your
• 1:05:23
  face, right? It's difference between like,
• 1:05:26
  Oh, I'm a hardcore Raider. And I want to make sure that my
• 1:05:29
  entire team has cauldrons and food and everything else.
• 1:05:33
  So, you know, I'm going to engage with the In house because
• 1:05:36
  I can't Farm quick enough. Like, oh man, like things are
• 1:05:39
  you know, expensive or cheaper below whatever.
• 1:05:41
  Like clearly there's a lot of things and there's no point in
• 1:05:43
  me farming because I can never keep up.
• 1:05:45
  So, you know, like why would I go and farm stuff when there's
• 1:05:49
  18,000 of it on the auction house?
• 1:05:51
  Like not everyone is engaging with that Auction House economy
• 1:05:56
  but of vast, vast majority of players especially right now.
• 1:06:00
  Have been engaging with chromey time and if you have multiple
• 1:06:04
  players that are playing one character, Der butting up
• 1:06:06
  against this, this one spot in Legion or this one spot in
• 1:06:09
  Warlords of Draenor. And then like going to Twitter
• 1:06:12
  and being like, oh man, I really wanted to level my character
• 1:06:16
  which is like the most basic function of an MMO.
• 1:06:20
  Like I wanted to level my character but I couldn't because
• 1:06:24
  of this team of Boom kids killing everything before I
• 1:06:27
  could tag it. Like the devs have to pay
• 1:06:30
  attention to that. It's very much in the face and
• 1:06:33
  sin in their faces and in the faces of all the players and
• 1:06:36
  there's no kind of like buffer between the activity and the
• 1:06:41
  result. Yeah, and so I think that was a
• 1:06:45
  Tipping Point. This is going to have
• 1:06:48
  long-lasting ramifications. They have they have announced
• 1:06:52
  it. They've given a grace period.
• 1:06:54
  People are going to get mornings if they continue it past the
• 1:06:58
  grace period. That's when they're going to
• 1:06:59
  start issuing. The suspensions or even account
• 1:07:02
  terminations, if you, if you are continuing to offend have a
• 1:07:07
  reaction, when the, when the grace period is up because I
• 1:07:12
  feel Feel like they would never would.
• 1:07:14
  Yeah, because then people would abuse it right up to the right
• 1:07:16
  up until the a fair enough. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:20
  So the reaction was immediate, when they announced this people
• 1:07:29
  who are multi boxing seeking refunds for all their accounts.
• 1:07:32
  Mmm, the volume was so high that it crashed the store.
• 1:07:37
  Which is kind of showing that like how many people are doing
• 1:07:41
  it and the impact that it must be having on the in-game
• 1:07:44
  economy, right? Like if there's that many people
• 1:07:46
  who are trying to refund their tokens or whatever that they
• 1:07:50
  crash the website like yeah that's that's too many people
• 1:07:55
  engaging with this style of play.
• 1:07:59
  Yeah it's it was quite widespread for it to have that
• 1:08:02
  effect and I know there are people who are using this In a
• 1:08:08
  very benevolent non-toxic fashion, right?
• 1:08:16
  Reckful from want to buy gold. Bacon bits is a streamer that I
• 1:08:22
  was paying attention to because like I wanted to learn stuff for
• 1:08:25
  the economy to go into Shadowland.
• 1:08:27
  So she's a screamer who also multi box.
• 1:08:30
  But again, multi boxing is not quite dead, just this form of
• 1:08:35
  multi boxing. For people who want to know how
• 1:08:40
  you multi box without slaving, all of your characters to one
• 1:08:44
  one guy, you can have a character that literally sits in
• 1:08:50
  a in town and crafts. And you have another character
• 1:08:53
  that's going out farming and you set that character to go through
• 1:08:57
  and, you know, the bar takes up and takes up, right, just right.
• 1:08:59
  Yes. So while they're doing all of
• 1:09:02
  that, Right? You have another character that
• 1:09:05
  you're actively playing than going around and farming, you
• 1:09:09
  can have another character that is posting everything and with
• 1:09:13
  the way that they've slowed down TSM, that's not going to be as
• 1:09:16
  fast as it used to be. And in that way, people can
• 1:09:21
  still multi box and gain a bit of an advantage, just the Absurd
• 1:09:26
  advantage that they, that they were getting is now going to be
• 1:09:31
  dead. And that effect on the economy
• 1:09:35
  is going to be felt huge. We're looking at in shadowlands
• 1:09:40
  in the first couple of weeks when resources are going to be
• 1:09:43
  scarce. Anyways that's going to last
• 1:09:46
  instead of like a couple of weeks.
• 1:09:47
  It may last month's where prices are going to be at high levels
• 1:09:50
  of inflation which I'm actually excited for is somebody who
• 1:09:54
  never was a multi boxer, I'm actually looking forward to
• 1:09:58
  choosing my activity, whether it is watching the auction house,
• 1:10:01
  to try to buy mats Lower. And then crafting things that
• 1:10:05
  sell for more or whether I want to spend my time actually
• 1:10:08
  running around the zones and doing the like herbing and
• 1:10:11
  Mining myself like I'm looking forward to engaging with the
• 1:10:14
  game. The way it was kind of meant to
• 1:10:17
  be engaged with and feeling like I can actually participate in
• 1:10:22
  some of those systems because that was the biggest thing and I
• 1:10:24
  know Manny you were able to kind of play the auction house enough
• 1:10:28
  to get your long boy, but that was the thing.
• 1:10:30
  That was so frustrating for me is I was just like Nothing I
• 1:10:33
  tried to engage with I felt like everyone else.
• 1:10:37
  Just always had more and I could never compete and I was just
• 1:10:41
  like, why am I doing this? Like, why am I playing this
• 1:10:44
  game? Why am I even trying to
• 1:10:45
  participate in the economy? Because it just felt like, I
• 1:10:48
  never could, like, I could never set prices.
• 1:10:51
  I never had enough of stuff. And, you know, as soon as I
• 1:10:53
  would put something up, then it would be like, oh, this dude,
• 1:10:57
  whose name I've seen everywhere, including in that flock of
• 1:11:00
  Druids, just posted 10,000. The thing that I'm trying to
• 1:11:04
  sell and post it right below me like, okay, so I don't know.
• 1:11:09
  I just I'm looking forward to even though things will be more
• 1:11:13
  expensive. I'm looking forward to engaging
• 1:11:17
  with that. The way it's supposed to be
• 1:11:20
  played, I'm looking forward to, you know, like there's still
• 1:11:23
  ways that people like you just explained can get a advantages
• 1:11:26
  because just crafting and scanning and all of these things
• 1:11:31
  take time. So you can, you know, like setup
• 1:11:33
  your different characters doing different things and I think
• 1:11:37
  that's like an interesting way of doing it and a more engaging
• 1:11:44
  way like it takes I don't know, I don't know.
• 1:11:48
  I feel like no matter how I phrase this and no matter what I
• 1:11:51
  say, I'm going to insult somebody, but it's a more
• 1:11:54
  creative and engaging way to multi box, then just having a
• 1:11:59
  flock of ten, Druids flying around and Mining the same mind
• 1:12:02
  node or herbing the same. Flowery, let's see if I can say
• 1:12:08
  it without insulting. Anybody McDonagh?
• 1:12:12
  Trading tiptoeing. Hey, thank you.
• 1:12:15
  I think, I don't think you've insulted anybody, but I figure
• 1:12:18
  if you're going to put your hand into the flame, I'm going to
• 1:12:20
  stand beside you. What I'm talking about is it for
• 1:12:26
  a multitasking? Is that you're going to have
• 1:12:29
  specialized accounts that are going to be specialized for each
• 1:12:34
  role? And it's still going to give you
• 1:12:36
  an advantage rather than you trying to Brute Force Through
• 1:12:39
  just sheer Attrition to gain an advantage and I think that is a
• 1:12:48
  more interesting line of play. Then import Rishon it involves
• 1:12:53
  thought and set up more so than just duplication of actions
• 1:12:57
  which I think is interesting and should be rewarded.
• 1:13:01
  Yeah. So I I know that people are
• 1:13:06
  like, there is no on the fence on this unless you are me.
• 1:13:09
  There are people who are like, so against this.
• 1:13:12
  Like, come on blizzard. This has been fine for forever.
• 1:13:14
  Why are you doing this? There are people who are, like
• 1:13:16
  ding dong. The witch is dead in regards to
• 1:13:19
  like all of the multi boxers. But multi boxing is fun for
• 1:13:25
  people night, just like running. The economy is fun for people.
• 1:13:29
  There was a point where I was sort of doing the economy and
• 1:13:32
  I'm like, Like man if I like wasn't going to spend most of my
• 1:13:35
  time focused on rating and all this other stuff, this could be
• 1:13:39
  just something that I do. And I remember sitting in
• 1:13:42
  Discord with with like a couple of people like NIMBY and
• 1:13:48
  allocate just like running the auction house and being like,
• 1:13:52
  oh, this got posted a no, like you think that's gonna dip down
• 1:13:55
  and like, that was a fun experience for me.
• 1:13:59
  And so I do think that Massey the Officers had been hit.
• 1:14:03
  I hope they can still find their further fun.
• 1:14:06
  I am sorry that it has been a 180 change because this is a 180
• 1:14:12
  change in terms of policy. I hope you guys can roll with
• 1:14:16
  the punches and continue on. And if you need to see how to
• 1:14:20
  set up your keyboard to still run eight characters at once,
• 1:14:23
  then you go check out our show notes.
• 1:14:25
  So where our cover image is going to be this crazy
• 1:14:28
  ridiculous keyboard and mouse setup honestly, like, who thinks
• 1:14:33
  of that? It's very creative.
• 1:14:35
  But like, wow. Yeah.
• 1:14:39
  So, before we move into Community Resources and add-ons,
• 1:14:44
  we do want to talk to you guys a little bit about legendaries,
• 1:14:47
  because the shadowlands It came up this week was about forging,
• 1:14:51
  your own legendary items. So this is kind of a very
• 1:14:55
  Central system to shadowlands and I'm glad that they when they
• 1:14:58
  decided to bring legendaries back that they went with
• 1:15:02
  something that was a little bit more of a system, instead of
• 1:15:07
  just a random drop, like, in Legion so many, why don't you
• 1:15:11
  walk us through a little bit of how forging your own legendaries
• 1:15:14
  works? Yes, Ding Dong The Legion Lotto
• 1:15:17
  is dead, right? Shadowlands legendary are
• 1:15:21
  completely deterministic. The way that it works is that it
• 1:15:27
  is now an integral part of the ecosystem.
• 1:15:30
  We just talked about how the economy is going to change.
• 1:15:34
  Shadowland legendaries are going to feel that because, when you
• 1:15:38
  want to, Do this, right? When you're initially passed,
• 1:15:44
  the leveling experience, you get introduced to this this system
• 1:15:49
  and it's going to stay with you the entire expansion.
• 1:15:53
  When you do this, you need to gather a bunch of resources.
• 1:15:55
  The first thing that you're going to need is of course like
• 1:15:59
  the base item that you're going to imbue the power into and that
• 1:16:03
  is what comes from crafting professions.
• 1:16:06
  Those are going to be a lot more expensive than I was originally
• 1:16:09
  thinking now that resources, but I'm sure that this is something
• 1:16:13
  that you could focus on. Like, if you are now a Skinner
• 1:16:17
  and a leather worker, you're going to be relevant for a
• 1:16:21
  while. You're probably going to be
• 1:16:24
  relevant in the entire expansion through and I'm going to explain
• 1:16:28
  why in a second. But you get your base item from
• 1:16:31
  from crafting professions. It is a glove or A pair of pants
• 1:16:37
  from the relevant profession that doesn't have any stats or
• 1:16:43
  anything. It just has like a particular
• 1:16:45
  name and it's a great item. Don't want to use it normally.
• 1:16:51
  But then you take it, you take it to the forge and the room
• 1:16:56
  Carver that you'll meet. And you grab a recipe that you
• 1:17:00
  get from any number of different places like Mythic Plus or PVP.
• 1:17:05
  You name it and each recipe has multiple sources.
• 1:17:08
  So if you don't like PVP you can avoid pep.
• 1:17:12
  You can find a different Source if there is no source that you
• 1:17:15
  particularly like like let's say, it comes from like Mythic
• 1:17:18
  plus and PVP. And you don't do any of those
• 1:17:20
  you are. Specifically a Raider and that's
• 1:17:22
  all you do. And that's all you like and they
• 1:17:24
  like it that way, you can also buy a wild card that will give
• 1:17:29
  you a recipe from the mall as well, right?
• 1:17:33
  So there's there's so many ways of getting the recipe.
• 1:17:35
  Once you have the recipe nothing is like totally blocked off from
• 1:17:39
  you. So they learned a lesson from
• 1:17:41
  Essences seems to get this system.
• 1:17:43
  I will say seems like they have learned a lot of lessons.
• 1:17:46
  I mean they're giving Crafters ways to be relevant.
• 1:17:49
  They're making sure that you Can acquire recipes regardless of
• 1:17:53
  what your chosen activity is like you can craft them instead
• 1:17:58
  of getting random drops. Like they've learned a lot of
• 1:18:01
  lessons from past systems in this new legendary system.
• 1:18:04
  Yeah, so once you have your recipe, which determines what
• 1:18:08
  the legendary effect is right and you have the base item, you
• 1:18:14
  then need missives from inscription and the missives are
• 1:18:18
  basically just what stats you want on this.
• 1:18:21
  You want a crit and haste grab those two?
• 1:18:23
  Missives, you put those, you put those together and now you need,
• 1:18:28
  I guess the glue that binds them all together which is so lash.
• 1:18:31
  And so last you get from doing your tour, guest runs the tour,
• 1:18:35
  gas runs are going to mispronounce that so many times
• 1:18:40
  and we're going to be talking about.
• 1:18:42
  So murlocs completely accidentally you guys completely
• 1:18:48
  accidentally how Josh got her soul Flashback. but, You mix all
• 1:18:58
  these together and you create your legendary and as I said,
• 1:19:02
  the soul Ash is going to be the limiting reagent.
• 1:19:05
  You could only get 600 of this per wing per week.
• 1:19:12
  There's two, there's two wings that are open each week so that
• 1:19:16
  makes a grand total of 1,200 per week.
• 1:19:21
  The first week 1250, that means week one, nobody's getting a
• 1:19:24
  legendary. They try their hardest, but the
• 1:19:29
  second week, if you have been trying your hardest, you'll have
• 1:19:33
  enough to get a rank two legendary, okay.
• 1:19:37
  So these are once you buy the rank, then you need the entire
• 1:19:43
  cost of the next rank, right? So like if I the second rank is
• 1:19:48
  2000, so I should have 400. I spend the 2000.
• 1:19:54
  All have 400 left over. But then so my next my rank 3
• 1:19:58
  costs. An additional thirty two
• 1:20:00
  hundred. Not like I've already paid
• 1:20:02
  2,000, so the next one's 12:00. Actually, just when you're
• 1:20:08
  upgrading, you get actually a discount based on what you were
• 1:20:11
  upgrading from. So you're going from a rank one
• 1:20:15
  to rank to and you just have the difference between the 1250
• 1:20:19
  versus a 2000. You only paid a 750 20 to
• 1:20:23
  upgrade it. But here's the catch, the item
• 1:20:27
  level. For Rank 2 is higher and
• 1:20:31
  therefore, you need the base gear of that item level.
• 1:20:35
  So you got to go back to your crafter and buy a second, second
• 1:20:39
  pair of gloves, if you will, in that is where the Exquisite
• 1:20:44
  extra cost is going to be. So there will be either resource
• 1:20:47
  if you're making it yourself. You are either going to have to
• 1:20:50
  gather additional resources to make the base material, or you
• 1:20:52
  going to hit up the auction house or your friend and guilt
• 1:20:56
  or whatever, to get to get the material again to get the base,
• 1:21:02
  the base, Matt. So in terms of, so last year,
• 1:21:04
  not gated, you're not setting yourself back by doing a lower
• 1:21:08
  love. I'm going along than upgrading
• 1:21:10
  their yeah, so For the first week of raid, then for Heroic,
• 1:21:16
  then we should be as a raid team.
• 1:21:20
  Making sure we have enough mats for everybody to get a rank to
• 1:21:24
  legendary. that's going to be available, that would require
• 1:21:29
  that you are max level before the first three said, So I like
• 1:21:35
  that is definitely something that each team will decide hard.
• 1:21:38
  More, hardcore teams are going to obviously want to have a rank
• 1:21:43
  to for everybody going into week.
• 1:21:45
  One, less hardcore teams that might be just hitting 60 after
• 1:21:53
  the reset, or obviously, missing a week and therefore, will not
• 1:21:57
  be able to have even a rank one in the first week of rating.
• 1:22:03
  In other words, get your crit together.
• 1:22:10
  Yes. The other part of it is that
• 1:22:16
  because of the cost of rank for being 50 5150, nobody is going
• 1:22:25
  to have a Max rank for peace until at least week 5, which is
• 1:22:32
  the week starting December 22nd in North America 23rd and in
• 1:22:37
  Europe, right? So if you want to be doing tour,
• 1:22:41
  gas runs on Christmas Eve. Sure.
• 1:22:44
  Maybe you'll have a legend. Then but man, I really hope that
• 1:22:49
  we're past the race to world first.
• 1:22:54
  Before the rank Force before people feel that they need to be
• 1:22:59
  doing tour. Gaston Christmas.
• 1:23:02
  Oh man. This is this lunch timing
• 1:23:04
  though. I think it, I think it's okay.
• 1:23:09
  I don't know. We'll have to see.
• 1:23:10
  We'll have to see how this whole race to world.
• 1:23:12
  First actually plays out, but I'm going to miss most of it, I
• 1:23:17
  feel like, I mean, I'm sure they'll be like coverage of it
• 1:23:24
  so we'll be able to like, just look at.
• 1:23:27
  Look at the YouTube videos. Find out what happened during
• 1:23:29
  the day and all of that. Yeah, obviously I like, because
• 1:23:34
  I have a family and it's Christmas.
• 1:23:38
  Oh, yeah. I'm sure there's a lot of
• 1:23:40
  Raiders that have Chris family and would like, to celebrate
• 1:23:43
  Christmas. And now they have a very tough
• 1:23:45
  decision to make. That was last week's discussion
• 1:23:48
  exactly. We're just going to be resigned
• 1:23:50
  now at which point I'm pretty sure last week.
• 1:23:53
  I said if you're a world-first Mythic radio, you made your
• 1:23:56
  choice. yeah, so the last thing is Different.
• 1:24:06
  Legendary effects are locked to particular pieces so make sure
• 1:24:12
  you're looking at your recipe before you go grab the the base
• 1:24:17
  item. There might be something that is
• 1:24:19
  like only on a neck piece or only on a on a shoulder.
• 1:24:23
  I see you don't want to buy gloves for that because then you
• 1:24:25
  won't yeah and it's probably going to be very expensive.
• 1:24:29
  So you don't want to waste your gold on, something you can't use
• 1:24:32
  right away. Exactly.
• 1:24:35
  I think that I haven't had a chance to test and I don't think
• 1:24:37
  anybody has really been testing. This is remembered that you can
• 1:24:41
  upgrade items to have gem sockets.
• 1:24:43
  If they don't already have gem socket, right?
• 1:24:45
  By default legendaries do not have gem sockets, I do not know
• 1:24:50
  and I'm praying that this is the case but I do not know if when
• 1:24:58
  you upgrade a legendary that gem socket carries over to the
• 1:25:02
  subsequent upgrade. Mmm.
• 1:25:06
  So like if you go and pay to socket your legendary but then
• 1:25:09
  you upgrade it, if it, I don't know, it would become something
• 1:25:13
  else. Interesting item.
• 1:25:16
  Same effect as higher item level.
• 1:25:17
  Yeah. It's almost like it's almost
• 1:25:20
  like I'm paying in Valor points, upgrade it.
• 1:25:23
  It's just that he's put in the sanctuary but I do remember like
• 1:25:26
  so when you're doing your legendary cloak it actually like
• 1:25:31
  hmm. If it didn't take it off my
• 1:25:34
  character and make it a new item in my bag but it definitely
• 1:25:38
  showed up like in chat, you know?
• 1:25:41
  And it was like, you completely Collect the quest and then it
• 1:25:45
  says, like your trout of resolve has become a shroud of resolve.
• 1:25:51
  Yeah. So I don't know what that means
• 1:25:55
  from a systems standpoint. We had a wonderful listener who
• 1:26:00
  was basically being our own little fact Checker who tweeted
• 1:26:04
  out to us. If you know the answer, feel
• 1:26:06
  free to tweet out to us again. I do like getting any feedback
• 1:26:10
  from listeners. So please do have, you know, the
• 1:26:14
  What happens to your sockets when you upgrade your legendary
• 1:26:16
  items? Please let us know.
• 1:26:18
  Yeah, I definitely have no clue. That is basically legendaries.
• 1:26:25
  Again, it's something you're going to be encountering really
• 1:26:28
  quickly when we go into chat lands and you finished your
• 1:26:30
  leveling, it is something that's going to be carrying throughout
• 1:26:33
  the expansion. I assume that there will be
• 1:26:35
  higher ranks that unlock as we go into different tiers and even
• 1:26:40
  though I'm gonna be new recipes to, I would imagine because they
• 1:26:42
  introduced a new legendaries as the expansion went on and Legion
• 1:26:45
  to right. Yep.
• 1:26:48
  And it is likely that later on in expansion, we're going to get
• 1:26:52
  the ability to Multiple legendaries.
• 1:26:54
  But at the beginning it's just one legendary at a time.
• 1:26:56
  So once you get your rank for, then you can go searching for
• 1:26:59
  another legendary that you want. But yeah, this is really great
• 1:27:04
  because again, like you were saying Josh, you could Target it
• 1:27:07
  if you know what legendary you want, like what what works for
• 1:27:10
  you? You can be like this is what I
• 1:27:12
  need to do to get the recipe. These are the the professions
• 1:27:18
  that make the make the base materials that I want.
• 1:27:22
  I gotta run. This much to our guests and you
• 1:27:24
  can get that done and be ready for raid week.
• 1:27:27
  One of her of season 1 of shadowlands, I'm excited.
• 1:27:33
  I'm just excited for a new raid. I'm excited.
• 1:27:36
  Bring new things to do things to work towards like new systems.
• 1:27:43
  Yeah, I'm excited, it's time. Yeah, it's been way too long
• 1:27:48
  without you and game content. Oh my god.
• 1:27:52
  So let's take some time now to talk about time walking
• 1:27:56
  campaigns because this is something that we talked about
• 1:28:00
  last week and were basically going to take a look at how we
• 1:28:06
  want time walking to work and yeah, because cromie time, it's
• 1:28:13
  okay. It's the I guess next step in
• 1:28:18
  the iterations of leveling like it's better than just being able
• 1:28:23
  to choose between two, expansions for a level range.
• 1:28:26
  Like we had before, which was better than having to go through
• 1:28:29
  every single expansion, one by one that we had before that.
• 1:28:32
  Like they keep getting better but I think there's still more
• 1:28:35
  room to improve. And while I was putting for this
• 1:28:40
  article and while we were talking last week, I kind of
• 1:28:44
  think that they did everything that they could really.
• 1:28:47
  But like let's let you go through your your thoughts on
• 1:28:51
  chroma time first and then I'll, I'll chime in afterwards.
• 1:28:55
  Well, I feel like the success of cromie time very much relies on
• 1:29:01
  which expansion, you choose because the how good chromey
• 1:29:07
  time feels is really going to depend on how the base expansion
• 1:29:12
  Works, which is something we talked about last week where I
• 1:29:15
  was saying, you know, like oh I just I showed up on this
• 1:29:18
  continent and then all of a sudden I had like breadcrumb
• 1:29:22
  quest to go to every single little settlement in the zone
• 1:29:25
  and I wasn't sure which story thread I should unravel first
• 1:29:31
  and so That was I found out from you.
• 1:29:34
  Thank you, Manny. That that was just kind of the
• 1:29:37
  way that Quest design was done back in Wrath of the Lich King.
• 1:29:41
  Whereas if you went and say chose Legion, then that has a
• 1:29:47
  very specific, very streamlined questing experience through each
• 1:29:54
  Zone that has its own kind of story and it's quite compact.
• 1:29:59
  It's really interesting. Each of the The zones has a
• 1:30:03
  satisfying conclusion. Whether it actually, you know,
• 1:30:07
  obviously, because of not really taking patch content into
• 1:30:11
  account, you don't get necessarily the entire expansion
• 1:30:15
  story but at least like that each Zone had a satisfying
• 1:30:18
  conclusion, right? Like you played through the
• 1:30:20
  Zone, it ended with a dungeon and you got the artifact you're
• 1:30:25
  looking for from the zone. So, you know, it was very
• 1:30:27
  contained and streamlined. So I think the success of cromie
• 1:30:31
  time as a whole all really depends on which expansion you
• 1:30:36
  choose and I think the more recent expansion, you choose the
• 1:30:39
  better your questing experience is going to be Yeah, I would
• 1:30:45
  agree with that in most of the cases.
• 1:30:47
  I do think that Warlords on top of being like the speed King.
• 1:30:54
  Also, just has such a tight storyline Arc and I'm gonna
• 1:30:58
  form. We're nerds is another good.
• 1:31:00
  What? Like, I kind of I feels like
• 1:31:02
  from Warlords on. Well, maybe even Pandaria on.
• 1:31:07
  They had a very custom Pandaria. It was they experimented a
• 1:31:10
  little bit of the Jade Forest is the one that Sticks out in my
• 1:31:14
  head, the most of like you land on the beach and then you push
• 1:31:18
  forward and there's a new Hub and then you do some stuff and
• 1:31:20
  then you push forward. And there's there's a new Hub
• 1:31:22
  and it like the quests kind of move with you and the zone
• 1:31:26
  changes and it's all kind of instanced and stuff like that.
• 1:31:29
  I think was the first real time. Although I don't remember.
• 1:31:33
  Again, I never finished his own before Pandaria because L the XP
• 1:31:37
  had been nerfed into the ground to get through the earlier
• 1:31:40
  expansions. So maybe that's the way other
• 1:31:43
  zones worked. I don't remember zones working
• 1:31:45
  like that before, Pandaria. So, like cataclysm had had a
• 1:31:50
  good amount of that though. Like, the only one I did in
• 1:31:52
  cataclysm was the stone one, which was very much like you
• 1:31:57
  start in the middle and you'd Branch out to a spot and then
• 1:32:00
  you go back to the middle and you'd go out to another spot.
• 1:32:04
  Oh what was that zone called? A palm deep home.
• 1:32:06
  I was like, was it under something?
• 1:32:08
  And I'm like no that's under Rod that you're thinking of it.
• 1:32:10
  That's right? Yeah.
• 1:32:11
  No it wasn't under it was deep. Deep deep home, I think that the
• 1:32:16
  warlord's zones had a pretty good cohesive story line.
• 1:32:24
  I almost want to say that they were very on rails outside of
• 1:32:27
  deep home because like, I remember going down the mountain
• 1:32:33
  in high-end, not high mountain. Oh man, now I'm doing it.
• 1:32:36
  Mount hyjal Matt. Hi Joe, right?
• 1:32:39
  That was very much on Rails, so maybe I just chose the wrong.
• 1:32:43
  Cataclysm Zone when I was leveling through in the old old
• 1:32:47
  world. He feels like the middle one.
• 1:32:49
  I think you had the choice between hyjal and vas chair, and
• 1:32:54
  then you had to go to deep home and then you went to the
• 1:32:57
  Twilight Highlands. Again, things were so Nerf.
• 1:33:00
  By the time I got there that I only had to do one.
• 1:33:03
  Cat is own before I head out, leveled it.
• 1:33:06
  Okay. So I just went straight into a
• 1:33:08
  poem. How you never done the Oldham.
• 1:33:11
  No, you got to do, although it's actually fun, like I'm like in a
• 1:33:17
  bubble of like, let's do this Zone and it doesn't matter that
• 1:33:21
  it's connected to the larger story Oldham is great because it
• 1:33:24
  has a lot of Harrison Jones stuff.
• 1:33:27
  So, you just doing like jaws and Indiana Jones, Take on the
• 1:33:30
  world, it's so much fun. Yeah.
• 1:33:35
  No, I've never I've never done any of that.
• 1:33:36
  I just went straight to deep home because I was like, oh I
• 1:33:38
  like shiny crystals. I'm going to go to The Rock
• 1:33:40
  Place, and that was literally how I decided what cat is own to
• 1:33:44
  level through, okay? Yeah, so, to your point though,
• 1:33:52
  I think, since like they've always been improving it, BC is
• 1:33:57
  just all over the place. Yeah.
• 1:34:00
  And ratty little bit just disjointed, but did have some
• 1:34:04
  storylines that sort of went through the different zones.
• 1:34:07
  It's just that they're not marked.
• 1:34:09
  Yes, those are hard to. Yeah, so they're hard to find
• 1:34:11
  and I think yeah, it would be really nice for them to go back
• 1:34:15
  and take another pass. A sand and just flag those as
• 1:34:19
  main or side or like important to your understanding.
• 1:34:24
  Yeah, which is something that they have done shadowlands and
• 1:34:27
  then retroactively done for battle for Azeroth now to like
• 1:34:32
  Mark Mainline story quests. So I'm glad that they've done
• 1:34:34
  that. We just we just think that they
• 1:34:36
  should Implement that system more widespread to is it's a I
• 1:34:42
  always thought that that was a double-edged thing because when
• 1:34:45
  you are picking these Once you have already gone through the
• 1:34:49
  leveling process to start chroming time.
• 1:34:51
  So I guess they can be a little bit more hands-off but give me
• 1:34:56
  the information and let me make the choice.
• 1:34:57
  Is what we're saying? Yeah.
• 1:34:59
  Because you can still have some level of exploration, right?
• 1:35:05
  Like, you can still have You can come across a quest and see
• 1:35:12
  that, it's not flagged as a main story Quest, but then your
• 1:35:15
  curiosity can still get the best of you right?
• 1:35:18
  Like you it's not like flagging things.
• 1:35:20
  As main story means that those are the only Quest that you can
• 1:35:23
  do and they remove everything else.
• 1:35:25
  Like those other quest lines are still going to be there.
• 1:35:27
  And if you have the time and the interest, you can go explore
• 1:35:30
  them. But if you are trying to just
• 1:35:32
  get the story of insert expansion here, insert Zone here
• 1:35:38
  especially since as Soon as you like, as soon as you hit 50 then
• 1:35:43
  cromie time boots you out, right?
• 1:35:45
  Like there's no, there's no continuing on from there.
• 1:35:51
  Yeah. And so that's the second thing
• 1:35:53
  that we sort of hit on like last week and then I 100 agree with
• 1:35:58
  is that I wish there was a way to turn off the experience
• 1:36:01
  without traveling back to the faction capital or when you hit
• 1:36:06
  50, you get the ability to Just get her humped just say, do you
• 1:36:12
  want to stay in chromey time? Or do you want to continue on to
• 1:36:15
  shadowlands like easy? So my thought for this is that
• 1:36:22
  they put that functionality from like the best in slot Duo that
• 1:36:26
  Josh was talking about last week.
• 1:36:28
  They put that functionality into the innkeeper's.
• 1:36:33
  You talk to an Innkeeper. Do you want to set your
• 1:36:35
  Hearthstone here? Do you want to turn on or off
• 1:36:37
  experience? And then it's the Sources is
• 1:36:40
  widespread, you can do it anywhere.
• 1:36:42
  And I think that would be the way that I would make that.
• 1:36:45
  I would Implement that change. Yeah, I like that.
• 1:36:50
  So, so what are? What are some of the, the bigger
• 1:36:53
  ideas? Because I feel like those are,
• 1:36:54
  those are kind of smaller quality-of-life improvements.
• 1:36:58
  That could probably be implemented fairly easily.
• 1:37:02
  I say that is not a Game Dev. Like what are some of like the
• 1:37:06
  bigger things that we'd like to see?
• 1:37:09
  So we said this when they first introduced economy time when we
• 1:37:13
  first found out that chromium is just a little experience and not
• 1:37:17
  the post level experience. And as much as I would love to
• 1:37:23
  be able to do those experiences as a leveling thing.
• 1:37:28
  I don't think it can work that way because of the nature of
• 1:37:31
  those those events as it were, they are very much captive ENT
• 1:37:37
  that you then. You then go through by week
• 1:37:43
  either their rep gated or their time gated or whatever it is.
• 1:37:49
  So do things require a lot more finagling in order to make them
• 1:37:54
  work. As we would Envision them right?
• 1:37:57
  Joss. Yeah, except for like The
• 1:38:00
  Brokerage or Legion stuff like where khadgar just made you get
• 1:38:03
  10 chest in a week and then said, thanks, come back next
• 1:38:06
  week and then gather order resources.
• 1:38:09
  Yeah, but then how would you level in the meantime just grind
• 1:38:12
  monsters until the next day or just log off until the next day
• 1:38:14
  like it you would be incredibly gated because you are stuck
• 1:38:18
  behind like dailies or the rep grind and so forth.
• 1:38:21
  Yeah but I think that there's probably some of those things
• 1:38:25
  that Could be a like, condensed experience, like there's not
• 1:38:30
  necessarily like, because those experiences Were Meant to fill
• 1:38:34
  your time for months. Right?
• 1:38:35
  When they were max level experiences, they don't
• 1:38:40
  necessarily think that you need them to be like that afterwards.
• 1:38:44
  Like, you could just sit like khadgar could have that 12-week
• 1:38:47
  grind replaced with a quest that just says, oh hey, you're in
• 1:38:53
  chromey time. So therefore, you don't want to
• 1:38:55
  do All of this and game crap that has no no consequences for
• 1:39:00
  you really. So take the gist of what that
• 1:39:05
  was and make it just one Quest. So say we need to prepare to
• 1:39:09
  assault the tomb of tartar, the tomb of sargeras loot three
• 1:39:14
  chests gather 100 order, resources complete 5 World
• 1:39:18
  quests, slave 5 demons. Like just put it all in one
• 1:39:22
  Quest that you do and take whatever the requirements.
• 1:39:25
  We're for the weekly and make it much much smaller.
• 1:39:28
  So it's just a taste of whatever the thing was and then go from
• 1:39:32
  there. Just be like one quest in and
• 1:39:34
  out done. You get the idea of what was
• 1:39:37
  happening because there wasn't again.
• 1:39:38
  And the khadgar is the khadgar example is by far the easiest
• 1:39:42
  example, because there was no substance to those Quest.
• 1:39:45
  There was no story in there whatsoever.
• 1:39:48
  So there may be some instances where other expansions in their
• 1:39:53
  point ones Point twos. Like in those weekly grinds.
• 1:39:58
  Those time, gated grinds that have more story but I mean some
• 1:40:03
  of them like if Nash too tart like you could just take all of
• 1:40:06
  that rep and time getting out of it and just make it a fluid
• 1:40:10
  questline. I would think Yeah.
• 1:40:13
  So because of the fact that they would have to like either
• 1:40:19
  greatly suppress or completely tear out those gating 's, I
• 1:40:24
  don't think they could all be introduced at once but I do
• 1:40:28
  think that this would be a great thing to have as an unlockable
• 1:40:33
  sort of thing. So what I came up with like,
• 1:40:35
  instance it, right? And you could say like, you
• 1:40:37
  still have to complete khadgar on the broken Shore before he
• 1:40:40
  can go to Argus. Yep.
• 1:40:43
  And so what I was thinking was that they are kind of like the
• 1:40:49
  night of black eyes customization, where you do
• 1:40:53
  request event like Chrome, he's like go slay this this Dragon,
• 1:40:56
  it's like what time zone were they looking at?
• 1:40:58
  And then you get to do the broken the broken front or the
• 1:41:05
  the construction of the Argent tournament grounds, or any
• 1:41:08
  moment of those point to things and blizzard can Anne.
• 1:41:13
  Fine, tune. Each of them to be a cool
• 1:41:16
  content piece that you that been can be level through.
• 1:41:20
  Maybe it is that. Hey, this one thing in a point
• 1:41:24
  to isn't meaty enough as a leveling experience and if we
• 1:41:29
  just gave out experience to make somebody get to 60 at the end of
• 1:41:33
  it, it would be too fast. So they do the 8.2 and 8.3 quest
• 1:41:40
  lines together or they did. Choose will do the 8.3 because
• 1:41:44
  some of them are just not going to have enough meat on it and
• 1:41:46
  other ones are going to be too big.
• 1:41:47
  So, unlocking, Argus and doing that questline could be
• 1:41:52
  something that we get when we do Legion time walking and then
• 1:41:55
  once you've unlocked it, you can take your alt through.
• 1:41:57
  It it is now a time walking campaign, plus plus, hmm.
• 1:42:03
  So you're kind of envisioning them as more options to choose
• 1:42:07
  when you're talking to Crow. Me, where is in my head?
• 1:42:09
  I have them tacked on to the end of whatever.
• 1:42:12
  And they are, which would extend the leveling experience, because
• 1:42:15
  there's more quests to do, right?
• 1:42:16
  So take more time. But the leveling experience
• 1:42:19
  right now is, is so fast. I wonder if you could maybe even
• 1:42:25
  when you're talking to Crow, me say, instead of just choosing an
• 1:42:29
  expansion say, I want to level quickly or I want a narrative
• 1:42:34
  experience and have that be the first choice that you make.
• 1:42:37
  And if you just want a level quickly, then throw them into
• 1:42:40
  just the start of the zone and Say yeah, okay go and then their
• 1:42:44
  experience would be weighted that way versus if you want a
• 1:42:48
  narrative experience, you could jump in there and then say, okay
• 1:42:52
  my experience is waited a little bit differently because ideally
• 1:42:55
  I'm going to ding like well I guess 50 by the end of the
• 1:43:01
  questing content through point to or point three or point for
• 1:43:06
  depending on the expansion that you choose.
• 1:43:10
  I mean it is it is something that's hard to do because there
• 1:43:15
  will be some expansions where they're leveling content plus
• 1:43:20
  they're like let's say all Dairy Point Jerry patch content to
• 1:43:24
  yeah is completely different than another one that got like a
• 1:43:28
  point four point five patch, right?
• 1:43:32
  Just to adjust for in terms of like how they balance and then
• 1:43:37
  also I would I'd love to have a A reason to to do it where it's
• 1:43:46
  not like because if I wanted to do much, what you are saying,
• 1:43:51
  right? I could get to 49, turn off the
• 1:43:56
  experience and then continue through to get the full story.
• 1:44:00
  Yes, right. Yeah.
• 1:44:01
  That would be same. Maybe that's a better way to do
• 1:44:03
  it. Is just like, you were saying
• 1:44:05
  making turning off experience a lot easier maybe make it.
• 1:44:08
  So, cromie asks, you, if you want to leave instead of just
• 1:44:11
  kicks you out, But yeah. Maybe it's more of a that kind
• 1:44:16
  of a system because then you're not penalized if you decide.
• 1:44:19
  Oh, I don't like the story actually.
• 1:44:22
  Yeah, just kind of make it easier to.
• 1:44:24
  I just I just want those narrative experience, has to
• 1:44:27
  exist. Yeah.
• 1:44:28
  And that's why I was trying to get those narrative experience
• 1:44:30
  exist with this like sort of like here.
• 1:44:33
  You can unlock it as like instead of going through
• 1:44:36
  Pandaria. I go through eight point as or
• 1:44:40
  other, I don't remember five, I think Penn, dairies five,
• 1:44:42
  anyways, I don't care. You go through the later
• 1:44:45
  expansion, rather later patches of Pandaria, right?
• 1:44:50
  As a as an experience too because sometimes especially in
• 1:44:54
  BFA, the living experience is kind of disconnected from The
• 1:44:58
  Experience afterwards. So like it doesn't seem that
• 1:45:02
  that bad to be able to say OK. I want to just run through the
• 1:45:09
  stuff over in the the Firelands. Aunt, or if I want to run
• 1:45:16
  through and do the Isle of qual De NOS, right?
• 1:45:20
  But There are expansions where again looking at dragon soul,
• 1:45:26
  Dragon Souls patch. Didn't really have a, a, like a
• 1:45:34
  quest or expansion component. It was like the three dungeons
• 1:45:40
  that led into the raid, and that was about it.
• 1:45:44
  And definitely in BC and in like they don't do vanilla.
• 1:45:49
  But in BC it was just releasing a new raid and that's how the
• 1:45:52
  story moved forward. Yeah up until like the Isle of
• 1:45:56
  call the nurse at the very end where it was just a bunch of
• 1:45:58
  dailies that further expanded. The thing, this be like daily
• 1:46:04
  additional content in in the end game that was added on is
• 1:46:11
  actually relatively new like I Say, we got one in.
• 1:46:18
  Wrath of the Lich King which was literally the construction of
• 1:46:22
  the Argent tournament. They were a bunch of dungeons
• 1:46:26
  for ICC. So that's not really a leveling
• 1:46:28
  experience. Cataclysm had the burning the
• 1:46:33
  burning front but again didn't have didn't have things
• 1:46:36
  otherwise and when we got into and area happens is when they
• 1:46:45
  had it all the way through. Yeah, it was like the Isle of
• 1:46:47
  Thunder was Big addition, right. Well, even The Invasion front
• 1:46:53
  where, like, you set up the the, to Invasion points in Crescent
• 1:47:00
  are saying wild? Yeah.
• 1:47:02
  Yep. And then the entire following
• 1:47:05
  The Monkey King and Garrosh rising to power going to the
• 1:47:12
  Isle of Thunder coming back and doing the Battlegrounds in the
• 1:47:16
  Barons, like there was a ton of stuff.
• 1:47:18
  Cough, and Mists of Pandaria and Mists of Pandaria is definitely
• 1:47:22
  something that could fit in this and maybe you could actually
• 1:47:25
  break it up and have multiple parts to it.
• 1:47:28
  That would actually fit into this because I could just see,
• 1:47:31
  like the Isle of Thunder and unlocking down the thunder
• 1:47:34
  Thundercats. Yeah.
• 1:47:36
  Is its own complete thing, right?
• 1:47:38
  Like, it's part of garrosh's larger story, but it's in and of
• 1:47:42
  itself. It's a big thing.
• 1:47:44
  Yeah. And then we went into Warlords
• 1:47:51
  and really tanaan jungle. Do you think that holds up?
• 1:47:54
  I don't, I don't know. He really think so, right?
• 1:47:58
  And that was pretty much it for Posta post.
• 1:48:01
  Leveling kit content going into Legion.
• 1:48:06
  Yeah, that has a lot but we've gone through.
• 1:48:09
  But but then we've gone through like, let's say eight expansions
• 1:48:14
  and only pulled three of them that we really For that, have
• 1:48:17
  the narrative systems. Yeah, that's fair.
• 1:48:19
  But then like you said, adding raids was the way that they told
• 1:48:23
  story in earlier, expansions, and I think that experiencing
• 1:48:26
  that raid content could very much take over a, like, rep, or
• 1:48:30
  time gated experience. Like we've been talking about in
• 1:48:35
  pain, Darien, whatever. Like I think for the expansions
• 1:48:38
  that don't really tell story and outdoor zones told their stories
• 1:48:41
  in different ways and that should somehow be captured as
• 1:48:45
  well. Yeah.
• 1:48:47
  And I'm hoping that as we get more and more of the time
• 1:48:51
  walking raids, we're going to see those raids come in.
• 1:48:54
  And for people who are interested in the story, they
• 1:48:55
  can jump into into that. What I would, what I would maybe
• 1:49:00
  like is an elephant are first version of it.
• 1:49:04
  I would very much like that. Yeah.
• 1:49:08
  All right, but it is interesting and I and going through this
• 1:49:12
  thought process made me realize why they may have cut it where
• 1:49:15
  they did because every expansion had a lovely experience, not
• 1:49:19
  every expansion had a robust post, we're enrolling easily.
• 1:49:24
  Yeah, and easily translatable or, you know, not a ton of work,
• 1:49:28
  right? Like has a lot of the things
• 1:49:29
  that we've talked about through this discussion would have taken
• 1:49:33
  a lot of resources to implement and, and they would have had to,
• 1:49:36
  you know, go through and compress and Take out and revamp
• 1:49:40
  and, you know, all that kind of stuff.
• 1:49:42
  And that's a lot of Dev time for old content.
• 1:49:45
  Yep. And they learn that less than in
• 1:49:46
  cataclysm where they had no end game because they spent all
• 1:49:49
  their time. Revamping the world.
• 1:49:51
  Yeah. So so yeah.
• 1:49:53
  Those are our kind of thoughts of final probably thoughts on
• 1:49:57
  chroma time. I feel like we talked about
• 1:49:58
  crummy time every freakin episode for the last like, six
• 1:50:02
  weeks. But yeah so that's that's
• 1:50:05
  basically our thoughts and hopes and dreams for Chrome.
• 1:50:08
  Time. And overall, I think it's a nice
• 1:50:11
  addition to the game. I mean, I know a lot of people
• 1:50:14
  are engaging with it. A lot of people are very excited
• 1:50:16
  about how quickly it, how quick it is to level.
• 1:50:19
  I know that was one thing and I'm sure that's when a lot of
• 1:50:21
  these discussions. Probably started happening was
• 1:50:23
  in Legion with the invasion events because leveling was so
• 1:50:26
  fast and so many people like brought their characters up,
• 1:50:29
  even like the gameplay wasn't even fun, it was super
• 1:50:33
  repetitive but it was just So rewarding and so quick it's like
• 1:50:38
  oh my God I can get a character to max level in you know like a
• 1:50:42
  day or two of just camping these invasions and I think blizzard
• 1:50:46
  probably went. Oh huh.
• 1:50:48
  So I guess our leveling experience isn't that great
• 1:50:51
  people will literally just stand here for hours that invasions
• 1:50:57
  instead of going through and leveling naturally, this is
• 1:50:59
  probably something we should look at.
• 1:51:01
  So, I mean, I know a lot of people like I said, a lot of
• 1:51:04
  people are doing In this think my husband is on like his 7th or
• 1:51:07
  8th character level through cromie time at this point.
• 1:51:09
  So, yeah, he's been all over it. Just one just one.
• 1:51:16
  Okay, but yeah. No, he's been.
• 1:51:18
  Yeah, no, he's been all over it. So it is, it is a very quick
• 1:51:21
  experience now and I think it was the right call for them to
• 1:51:24
  make to revamp this after so so much time.
• 1:51:27
  So overall good system, thumbs up.
• 1:51:30
  Could use some tweaks and improvements if we're going to
• 1:51:32
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• 1:51:34
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