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- 0:00Speaker 1: This episode contains content that may be disturbing to some listeners.
- 0:03Speaker 1: Please check the show notes for more information. Disgraceland is
- 0:08Speaker 1: a production of Double Elvis. This is the story of
- 0:22Speaker 1: how Jim Morrison really died. It's not the story of
- 0:26Speaker 1: a junkie rock star overdosing on heroin, a drug Jim
- 0:30Speaker 1: Morrison didn't use, a drug Jim's friends knew that he despised,
- 0:36Speaker 1: and it's not the story of a singer dying from
- 0:39Speaker 1: an innocuous heart attack. This story deals with what I
- 0:43Speaker 1: believe to be the truth behind Jim Morrison's death and
- 0:47Speaker 1: the shadowy figure from one of music history's darkest corners,
- 0:51Speaker 1: a man whose name seldom gets mentioned, but who is
- 0:55Speaker 1: known not only by the door as frontman, but by
- 0:57Speaker 1: Janis Joplin, Keith Richards, Parsons, and many others from the
- 1:02Speaker 1: sixties and seventies rock scene who found themselves in need
- 1:06Speaker 1: of hard drugs. This figure was an aristocrat, a French
- 1:10Speaker 1: count by the name of Jean de Boutoi, and he
- 1:14Speaker 1: was hated by Jim Morrison. But he was there in Paris,
- 1:19Speaker 1: on the scene at Jim's apartment the morning after he died.
- 1:24Speaker 1: Why what did this mysterious count have to do with
- 1:28Speaker 1: Jim's common law wife, his girlfriend, Pamela Corson, And did
- 1:33Speaker 1: he have something to do with Jim's death or did
- 1:36Speaker 1: Jim Morrison, as conspiracy theorists would have us believe, ever,
- 1:40Speaker 1: even die at all. Did he fake his own death
- 1:43Speaker 1: to escape the pressures of being in the doors of
- 1:46Speaker 1: being a rock star, of making music great music? Unlike
- 1:52Speaker 1: that music I played for you at the top of
- 1:53Speaker 1: the show. That wasn't great music. That was a preset
- 1:58Speaker 1: loop from my melotron called Misty Mountain Flop MK one.
- 2:04Speaker 1: I played you that loote because I can't afford the
- 2:06Speaker 1: rights to It's too late.
- 2:08Speaker 2: I Feel the.
- 2:09Speaker 3: Earth Move under my feet by Carol King. And why
- 2:13Speaker 3: would I play you that specific slice of double A
- 2:16Speaker 3: side Cheese?
- 2:17Speaker 2: Could I afford it?
- 2:19Speaker 3: Because that was the number one song in America on
- 2:23Speaker 3: July third, nineteen seventy one, And that was the day
- 2:27Speaker 3: Jim Morrison supposedly died of a heroin overdose, or, depending
- 2:31Speaker 3: on who you talk to, faked his own death. But
- 2:36Speaker 3: neither of those things are true. This is what really happened.
- 2:42Speaker 3: This is the story of how Jim Morrison really died.
- 2:46Speaker 3: I'm Jake Brennan, and this is Disgraceland. Jim Morrison is alive.
- 3:16Speaker 3: He's eighty two years old and living a quiet life
- 3:19Speaker 3: in a cottage somewhere in the south of France, reading
- 3:22Speaker 3: Rombeau and writing poetry.
- 3:24Speaker 2: Actually, no, he's not. He's dead.
- 3:27Speaker 3: But before he died, he was the Zodiac Killer, and
- 3:30Speaker 3: then after he faked his death, he was Rush Limbaugh.
- 3:33Speaker 3: But those things aren't true either, but people do believe them.
- 3:39Speaker 3: Ever since the moment news broke back in July of
- 3:41Speaker 3: nineteen seventy one that Jim Morrison, the singer of The Doors,
- 3:45Speaker 3: had died, a good amount of people, even people close
- 3:48Speaker 3: to Jim, wouldn't accept the fact that he was actually dead.
- 3:52Speaker 3: They just wouldn't believe it. Dora's keyboard player Ray Manzak
- 3:57Speaker 3: was immediately skeptical his own sister and is on record
- 4:02Speaker 3: saying that Jim is the exact type of guy who
- 4:05Speaker 3: would fake his own death.
- 4:07Speaker 2: And he was.
- 4:08Speaker 3: Jim Morrison courted death. He'd drank himself into oblivion and
- 4:14Speaker 3: ate acid like it was candy. He dangled himself from
- 4:17Speaker 3: hotel balconies, stumbled through traffic, cut himself in a cult
- 4:21Speaker 3: blood sacrifices while blitzed on cocaine and saying about breaking
- 4:26Speaker 3: on through to the other side in the evidence in
- 4:29Speaker 3: the aftermath of his death, at least the evidence available
- 4:33Speaker 3: to the public was most definitely sketchy enough to lead
- 4:36Speaker 3: people to believe that Jim's death was perhaps something else. Supposedly,
- 4:41Speaker 3: nobody close to the Doors who knew Jim besides his
- 4:45Speaker 3: common law wife Pamela Corson aka Pam Morrison, saw the body,
- 4:51Speaker 3: and by the time Doris manager Bill Siddons arrived in
- 4:54Speaker 3: Paris three days after Jim's death, the coffin was sealed
- 4:58Speaker 3: and there was no autopsy. A day after Bill Siddons arrived,
- 5:02Speaker 3: Jim Morrison was quickly buried in Paris and his body
- 5:07Speaker 3: was never returned to the United States. Jim Morrison died
- 5:12Speaker 3: officially of heart failure, but no one believes that. Most
- 5:16Speaker 3: believed that Jim died of a heroin overdose. But I
- 5:20Speaker 3: don't believe that, and after listening to this podcast, you
- 5:24Speaker 3: own either. At the time of Jim Morrison's death in
- 5:31Speaker 3: July of nineteen seventy one, the Doors were one of
- 5:34Speaker 3: the biggest bands on the planet. Embroiled in controversy because
- 5:38Speaker 3: of Jim's antics. The band had just finished recording what
- 5:41Speaker 3: would be their final album, La Woman. Though the band
- 5:45Speaker 3: had experienced critical and creative highs and lows, the Doors
- 5:50Speaker 3: were still a top selling band, and with the completion
- 5:53Speaker 3: of La Woman, the band was free from their recording
- 5:56Speaker 3: obligations with Electra Records and was now the subject of
- 5:59Speaker 3: a new bidding war between other record labels. The word
- 6:03Speaker 3: was that Atlantic Records was about to offer the Doors
- 6:07Speaker 3: an unprecedented amount of cash to sign with them. All
- 6:11Speaker 3: of this was happening at the same time that Jim
- 6:14Speaker 3: Morrison was awaiting the verdict for an appeal of his
- 6:17Speaker 3: conviction concerning an incident two years prior in Miami where
- 6:21Speaker 3: Jim had exposed himself to an audience on stage. Jim
- 6:25Speaker 3: was facing six months in prison for the crime. Nineteen
- 6:32Speaker 3: seventy one was a time of great creative and personal
- 6:36Speaker 3: turmoil for Jim Morrison. He had just completed what he
- 6:39Speaker 3: believed to be his band's greatest album. He no longer
- 6:43Speaker 3: had a record label to answer to, and he wasn't
- 6:45Speaker 3: sure he wanted a new one. In a new set
- 6:47Speaker 3: of headaches, his girlfriend Pam had left Jim in Los
- 6:52Speaker 3: Angeles that spring to live in Paris. Jim suspected she
- 6:56Speaker 3: was living with another man, one who indulged her heroin happy,
- 7:00Speaker 3: a habit Jim Morrison hated. In addition to being separated
- 7:04Speaker 3: from the one true love of his life and facing
- 7:07Speaker 3: prison time, Jim was exhausted by the image he'd created,
- 7:12Speaker 3: that of the Lizard King, a swashbuckling leatherclat Adonna's part
- 7:16Speaker 3: rock and roll genius, part drunken buffoon. Jim had eaten
- 7:20Speaker 3: all the acid, he slept with, all the groupies, it
- 7:23Speaker 3: experienced all the things, and now he romanticized a quieter
- 7:28Speaker 3: life as a poet. So he traded Los Angeles, the
- 7:32Speaker 3: city of Night that he sang about an La Woman,
- 7:35Speaker 3: for Paris, the City of Light. To understand how Jim
- 7:43Speaker 3: Morrison really died in Paris in nineteen seventy one, you
- 7:48Speaker 3: have to understand what happened in Los Angeles in nineteen seventy.
- 7:56Speaker 3: Count Jean de Brettoi had one green eye and one yellow.
- 8:01Speaker 3: He also had the strongest heroine in Los Angeles. The
- 8:05Speaker 3: Count was young, handsome, mysterious, and hated by Jim Marrison,
- 8:10Speaker 3: which was an anomaly as plenty of rock stars counted
- 8:13Speaker 3: the Count as their friend, Keith Richards, Janis Joplin, Graham Parsons,
- 8:18Speaker 3: members of the GTOs, and perhaps even Jimmy Hendricks. But
- 8:22Speaker 3: Jim hated the Count for the exact reason that these
- 8:25Speaker 3: other rock stars appreciated the young foreign aristocrat, because he
- 8:30Speaker 3: dealt heroin. To Jim's great annoyance, the Count shared his
- 8:35Speaker 3: heroine with Jim's girlfriend, Pamela. In fact, the two shared
- 8:40Speaker 3: more than their love of the addictive opiate. Pamela and
- 8:44Speaker 3: the Count had a romantic relationship that likely stretched back
- 8:47Speaker 3: to the Count's first days in Los Angeles as a
- 8:49Speaker 3: UCLA student, where he became the university's Hashish supplier by
- 8:54Speaker 3: using his family's French diplomatic connections to smuggle drugs into
- 8:58Speaker 3: the States through the moroccan An embassy and on to campus.
- 9:03Speaker 3: The Count was rich and Pamela corson. Despite her relationship
- 9:07Speaker 3: with Jim Morrison, one of the most famous rock stars
- 9:10Speaker 3: on the planet, was not. The Count took Pamela on
- 9:14Speaker 3: extravagant jet set shopping sprees all over the world.
- 9:18Speaker 2: He spoiled her. Jim did not.
- 9:21Speaker 3: The Count loved the fact that Pamela was friends with
- 9:24Speaker 3: famous rock stars. Jim Morrison could care less about status.
- 9:28Speaker 3: The Count used Pamela's connection to the La rock scene
- 9:32Speaker 3: to move not only Hash but Heroin, and Jim Morrison,
- 9:36Speaker 3: by every account from everyone.
- 9:38Speaker 2: Who knew him, hated Heroin. He had an.
- 9:41Speaker 3: Extreme lifelong fear of hypodermic needles. Pamela's Heroin used was
- 9:46Speaker 3: seriously frowned upon by Jim and a regular source of
- 9:50Speaker 3: tension between the couple, but that didn't keep the Count
- 9:53Speaker 3: from creeping around Jim and Pam's Hollywood bungalow during this time.
- 10:02Speaker 3: In the fall of nineteen seventy, Jim Morrison was cooling
- 10:05Speaker 3: his jets in Los Angeles awaiting sentencing for his indecency charges.
- 10:09Speaker 3: In Miami, the band was beginning work on their La
- 10:13Speaker 3: Women album and dealing with the fact that their longtime
- 10:15Speaker 3: producer and creative confidant, Paul Rothschild no longer wanted to
- 10:20Speaker 3: work with them over the direction their music had taken,
- 10:23Speaker 3: veering into schmaltzy territory. He said, sounded like cocktail music.
- 10:28Speaker 3: So Jim Morrison drank a lot and snorted a ton
- 10:34Speaker 3: of cocaine and carried on relationships with various women not
- 10:38Speaker 3: named Pamela Corson. Elsewhere in the city of Los Angeles'
- 10:43Speaker 3: bodies were dropping. A spate of heroin overdoses in the
- 10:47Speaker 3: first few days of October nineteen seventy were overrunning La
- 10:51Speaker 3: County emergency rooms. Street dealers went on the land when
- 10:55Speaker 3: news began to circulate that their product was killing innocent attics,
- 10:59Speaker 3: medical Examine and there's Toe attack victims who unwittingly injected
- 11:03Speaker 3: what was known as the dealer's supply, uncut, highly potent,
- 11:08Speaker 3: purebatch heroine that had flooded La streets that weekend. The
- 11:13Speaker 3: lethal dope sent nine people to the morgue, all because
- 11:17Speaker 3: some dealers screwed up and didn't dilute his illegal product
- 11:20Speaker 3: with a cutting agent, an additive that would allow the
- 11:23Speaker 3: drug to be injected without its potency.
- 11:25Speaker 2: Stopping the user's hearts.
- 11:27Speaker 3: It was the act of an irresponsible dealer, either that
- 11:31Speaker 3: or someone who just didn't care, someone who believed they
- 11:34Speaker 3: were not only above the law, but who looked down
- 11:37Speaker 3: on his customers, who put on a pedestal those with status,
- 11:41Speaker 3: the beautiful people like him, the rock stars. He coveted
- 11:45Speaker 3: relationships with someone like the boyfriend of Jim Morrison's girlfriend Pamela,
- 11:52Speaker 3: someone like the Count Jean de Bretoi. So Jim Morrison
- 12:27Speaker 3: had reason to fake his own death to disappear. He
- 12:31Speaker 3: was exhausted by his rock star image. He was potentially
- 12:35Speaker 3: headed to jail because of the criminal sentencing in Miami.
- 12:39Speaker 3: He was suddenly free from his obligations to his record
- 12:41Speaker 3: label and to his bandmates. Los Angeles had become a
- 12:45Speaker 3: hotbed of heroin use, a drug his girlfriend Pamela couldn't shake.
- 12:51Speaker 3: Those were the reasons. But where could Jim Morrison, an
- 12:55Speaker 3: internationally recognizable rock star, disappear to For Jim, there could
- 13:00Speaker 3: be only one answer. Paris. Paris was perfect. It was Bohemian, romantic.
- 13:09Speaker 3: It had a rich history of French poets like Arthur
- 13:11Speaker 3: Rimbau and Paul Verlaine, who did some of their best
- 13:14Speaker 3: work in the city. Plus American expat writers like Gertrude Stein,
- 13:18Speaker 3: Ts Eliott and Ernest Hemingway had all left their marks
- 13:22Speaker 3: on Paris back in the twenties. Perhaps now fifty years later,
- 13:26Speaker 3: the city would inspire Jim Morrison to do the same.
- 13:30Speaker 3: So how would Jim Morrison then fake his own death? Well,
- 13:35Speaker 3: there would need to be a cause of death heart attack,
- 13:39Speaker 3: that was believable, and he'd needed an accomplice to help
- 13:43Speaker 3: him with the faking of the death, and then of
- 13:45Speaker 3: course with the disappearing act, and ideally someone to disappear with,
- 13:49Speaker 3: and that was obvious Pamela Courson was the only answer.
- 13:54Speaker 3: He and Pam would likely have to prevent authorities from
- 13:56Speaker 3: closely inspecting the body. There would need to be a
- 13:59Speaker 3: quick burial of an empty casket, of course, and the
- 14:02Speaker 3: burial would most certainly have to be in Paris.
- 14:05Speaker 2: The body would have.
- 14:06Speaker 3: To be interred locally and not return to the States
- 14:09Speaker 3: in order to maintain their secret. And then well, at
- 14:13Speaker 3: that point, after the funeral, Pam could disappear with Jim
- 14:17Speaker 3: and they could go anywhere they wanted. They could retire
- 14:20Speaker 3: to Vienna and live the life of bohemians. They could
- 14:23Speaker 3: move to Tuscany and live off of the land. They
- 14:26Speaker 3: could stay in Paris and lay low for a while
- 14:28Speaker 3: until anonymously blending back into the rhythm of the city
- 14:32Speaker 3: after some time. They could even return to the United
- 14:34Speaker 3: States it was big enough to disappear in. They could
- 14:38Speaker 3: head to Texas or Florida, or the mountains in Colorado
- 14:41Speaker 3: anywhere was better than Los Angeles, but no one here
- 14:45Speaker 3: gets out alive. To pull off their scheme, Jim and
- 14:53Speaker 3: presumably Pam would need friends to help enter Alon Rene
- 14:58Speaker 3: in Agnes Varda Alan was one of Jim's friends, a
- 15:02Speaker 3: photographer who was in Paris at the time, and Agnes
- 15:05Speaker 3: Vardo was another one of Jim's friends, the trail blazing
- 15:09Speaker 3: French filmmaker who was at the time assisting Bernard Bertolucci
- 15:13Speaker 3: with the script for Las Tango in Paris. Both were
- 15:17Speaker 3: on the scene on July third, nineteen seventy one, in
- 15:20Speaker 3: the immediate hours after Jim's death, at Jim and Pam's apartment,
- 15:24Speaker 3: summoned by Pam that evening to help her through the
- 15:27Speaker 3: ordeal of dealing with the French authorities and the police
- 15:30Speaker 3: and medical examiner and their nosy neighbors. And from Milan
- 15:35Speaker 3: Rene's depiction of the death scene, it doesn't appear at
- 15:38Speaker 3: all that either he or Agnes Vardo were in any
- 15:41Speaker 3: way in on any sort of scheme to help Jim
- 15:44Speaker 3: Morrison fake his own death. Now, remember the evidence that
- 15:49Speaker 3: conspiracy theorists used to support the theory that Jim Morrison
- 15:52Speaker 3: didn't die is that number one, nobody saw the body,
- 15:56Speaker 3: and number two, there was no autopsy. In three, he
- 15:59Speaker 3: was buried very quickly in a sealed coffin. But Alan
- 16:03Speaker 3: Renee and Agnes Varda did see the body, and so.
- 16:06Speaker 2: Did a whole lot of other people.
- 16:08Speaker 3: More on that in a minute. And there may not
- 16:10Speaker 3: have been an autopsy, but that's because Pamela Corson was
- 16:12Speaker 3: hell bent on making sure that that didn't happen, and
- 16:15Speaker 3: Alan Renee and Agnes Varda had a front row seat
- 16:18Speaker 3: to the decisions made by the medical examiner. More on
- 16:21Speaker 3: that in a bit too sure. The body may have
- 16:24Speaker 3: been buried quickly in a sealed coffin without anyone from
- 16:28Speaker 3: America seeing it before it was interred, but that was
- 16:30Speaker 3: because Pamela Corson was, according to Alan Rene, determined to
- 16:35Speaker 3: make sure that authorities didn't discover that Jim Morrison, the
- 16:39Speaker 3: American rock star, had died of a drug overdose. Pamela
- 16:43Speaker 3: didn't want their apartments searched. She didn't want to be
- 16:46Speaker 3: detained by authorities either. She also didn't want Jim's reputation
- 16:51Speaker 3: tainted by a cause of death having to do with
- 16:54Speaker 3: illicit drugs, so a quick burial without an autopsy was necessary,
- 17:00Speaker 3: And if this meant that Jim's family and friends wouldn't
- 17:03Speaker 3: have the chance to see him in the flesh one
- 17:04Speaker 3: last time, then from Pamela Corson's perspective, so be it.
- 17:09Speaker 3: But to the conspiracy theorist, I say, Alan Rene did
- 17:13Speaker 3: see the body, as did a whole lot of other Parisians,
- 17:17Speaker 3: including a Frenchman whom Milan saw on the scene at
- 17:21Speaker 3: Jim and Pam's apartment in the hours just after his death,
- 17:25Speaker 3: and that Frenchman, the Count Jean de Brettoi, back in
- 17:34Speaker 3: Los Angeles a few months earlier, in the fall of
- 17:36Speaker 3: nineteen seventy. Over that weekend, the emergency rooms were overrun
- 17:41Speaker 3: with heroin fatalities. The Count Jean de Brettoi sat nervously
- 17:46Speaker 3: in Mercy Fontano's Hollywood apartment. Mercy was known around the
- 17:52Speaker 3: LA rock scene as Miss Mercy. She was a protege
- 17:56Speaker 3: of Frank Zappa, part of the all girl rock group
- 17:59Speaker 3: the GTOs, and like most of the LA scene at
- 18:01Speaker 3: the time, she was friendly with the Count. The Count
- 18:05Speaker 3: told her, I have something for you. Mercy had a
- 18:09Speaker 3: habit of saying yes to any drug put in front
- 18:12Speaker 3: of her. The Count had a new batch of dope.
- 18:15Speaker 3: The Count wanted to see the effect that drug had
- 18:17Speaker 3: on one of his clients. He just dropped off a
- 18:20Speaker 3: few baggies with another client an hour or so ago
- 18:24Speaker 3: and had a weird feeling about it. He was worried
- 18:27Speaker 3: was this dope too strong? The Count could shoot up
- 18:31Speaker 3: Miss Mercy and if everything was okay, then he'd know
- 18:34Speaker 3: and he could stop worrying. And if the dope was
- 18:37Speaker 3: too strong.
- 18:38Speaker 2: Well it was too late to cut it.
- 18:40Speaker 3: Too much of it was already out on the street,
- 18:42Speaker 3: but at least the Count wouldn't know, and he could
- 18:45Speaker 3: make arrangements to fly out of the country before anything
- 18:48Speaker 3: bad came back on him. The Count sat back and
- 18:51Speaker 3: watched Miss Mercy shoot his heroin. Immediately something was wrong.
- 18:58Speaker 3: Miss Mercy felt it. She started struggling, panting, waving her
- 19:03Speaker 3: arms and trying to speak, but the words wouldn't come.
- 19:08Speaker 3: It was exactly like one of those dreams. The monster
- 19:11Speaker 3: is there with you in the room. You can see him,
- 19:14Speaker 3: but no one else can. He's going to kill you,
- 19:17Speaker 3: but you can't get your voice to work. You're trying
- 19:20Speaker 3: to scream, but nothing comes out. Miss Mercy was trying
- 19:23Speaker 3: to say something. Her eyes rolled back into her skull
- 19:27Speaker 3: and her head fell backward against the chair. She then
- 19:30Speaker 3: pulled her head back up in the struggle, and it
- 19:32Speaker 3: rolled loosely around her shoulders as she managed to somehow
- 19:35Speaker 3: get out the words I'm going down.
- 19:37Speaker 2: I'm going down.
- 19:39Speaker 3: The Count could see that and was already working to
- 19:41Speaker 3: solve the problem by loading a syringe with cocaine dissolved
- 19:44Speaker 3: in water. He then jammed the needle into Mercy's other arm,
- 19:48Speaker 3: a direct hit with a vein. Mercy shot up out
- 19:51Speaker 3: of her seat with a gasp. She was going to
- 19:54Speaker 3: be okay, but the Count had his answer. The heroine
- 19:59Speaker 3: was not okay. This heroin was too strong, and yes,
- 20:04Speaker 3: it most certainly needed to be diluted. He thought of
- 20:09Speaker 3: his other client, the one whom he just left with
- 20:11Speaker 3: numerous baggies of this lethal heroin. He remembered that she
- 20:15Speaker 3: wore an amulet around her neck, and that she kept
- 20:17Speaker 3: it filled with cocaine for occasions just like this, a
- 20:20Speaker 3: precaution to snap her back to life if heroin ever
- 20:23Speaker 3: sent her into an overdose. Except what she didn't know,
- 20:28Speaker 3: and what the Count also didn't know, was that his
- 20:31Speaker 3: client had a friend and that friend had decided that
- 20:34Speaker 3: cocaine wasn't as useful to have around as heroin was,
- 20:37Speaker 3: so that friend emptied the cocaine from the Count's client's
- 20:41Speaker 3: amulet and stuffed it with heroin. That same night, when
- 20:46Speaker 3: the Count's client injected his dope and had the same
- 20:49Speaker 3: reaction Miss Mercy had, she reached for the cocaine in
- 20:53Speaker 3: her amulet and quickly snorted it in an effort to
- 20:55Speaker 3: save her own life. Except what she ended up snorting
- 20:58Speaker 3: instead was more heroin. So Janis Joplin died of a
- 21:04Speaker 3: double dose of Count Jean de Bertoi's lethal heroin on
- 21:08Speaker 3: October fourth, nineteen seventy, along with eight other victims in
- 21:12Speaker 3: the Los Angeles area that weekend. This happened just two
- 21:17Speaker 3: weeks after Jimmy Hendrix died in London, officially from choking
- 21:20Speaker 3: on his own vomit after taking too many of barbituates
- 21:23Speaker 3: and drinking too much wine. But there were already rumors
- 21:27Speaker 3: that authorities had it all wrong, that Jimmy had been murdered,
- 21:31Speaker 3: something to do with his manager and an insurance policy
- 21:34Speaker 3: and a debt to the mob and being injected with
- 21:38Speaker 3: a hot shot of heroin. Either way, a couple days
- 21:44Speaker 3: later in Hollywood, when Jim Morrison got word that Janis
- 21:47Speaker 3: Joplin had died, he sat at the bar at Barney's Beanery,
- 21:51Speaker 3: stared into his whisky, raised his glass to the barflies,
- 21:55Speaker 3: and said, you're drinking with number three.
- 22:03Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this word word word.
- 22:16Speaker 3: Jim Morrison was right. Less than a year later, he
- 22:20Speaker 3: would indeed become number three. He was dead, and he
- 22:24Speaker 3: most certainly did not fake his own death and disappear again.
- 22:28Speaker 3: To recap the conspiracy, theorist case that Jim faked his
- 22:32Speaker 3: own death relies on the claim that nobody saw his
- 22:35Speaker 3: body after he died, nobody besides Pamela and perhaps a
- 22:39Speaker 3: crooked Parisian official or two who were bribed. But this
- 22:43Speaker 3: is categorically false. According to Alan Rene, Agnes Varda, and
- 22:48Speaker 3: many others, there were numerous people who streamed in and
- 22:52Speaker 3: out of Jim and Pam's apartment in the hours after
- 22:54Speaker 3: he died, trying to make sense of the situation, and
- 22:58Speaker 3: Jim's body was on full display. Jim's heart stopped sometime
- 23:03Speaker 3: in the early morning hours of July third, nineteen seventy one.
- 23:07Speaker 3: His body was discovered by Pamela, she claims, a few
- 23:11Speaker 3: hours after that, in the bathtub, lying in the water dead,
- 23:17Speaker 3: and that's where the body was when Alan and Agnes
- 23:20Speaker 3: arrived a few hours later, after Pamela had called him
- 23:23Speaker 3: to come over to help assist with the ordeal that
- 23:26Speaker 3: was unfolding around her. When Alan arrived, there was already
- 23:30Speaker 3: a police investigator on the scene who had taken charge.
- 23:34Speaker 3: He obviously saw the body. Alan, being a French expat,
- 23:38Speaker 3: helped the inspector translate the information that he needed from Pamela,
- 23:42Speaker 3: who only spoke English. Pamela, according to Alan, was determined
- 23:47Speaker 3: not to let the inspector or anyone else know the
- 23:50Speaker 3: truth of Jim's identity, that he was a rock star.
- 23:53Speaker 3: She wanted them to believe he was an ordinary American citizen.
- 23:57Speaker 3: Alan assumed that this was to head off any unwanted
- 24:00Speaker 3: attention from the press, which is understandable. Along with the
- 24:04Speaker 3: police inspector, there were now paramedics on the scene, and
- 24:07Speaker 3: they also saw the body still in the tubs, still
- 24:10Speaker 3: submerged in water. More policemen arrived and more eyes on
- 24:15Speaker 3: the body. The front door to the apartment was opened,
- 24:18Speaker 3: Alan saw a curious neighbor from the building just wander
- 24:21Speaker 3: inside the apartment, and the neighbor later recounted that he
- 24:24Speaker 3: too saw the body. The apartment was a hive of
- 24:28Speaker 3: activity in those morning hours and during all of this.
- 24:32Speaker 3: At some point Alan and Agnes pulled Pamela aside to
- 24:36Speaker 3: get the story. Pamela explained that earlier in the evening,
- 24:41Speaker 3: she and Jim decided to sniff some heroin. She went
- 24:44Speaker 3: to bed. He then, apparently according to Pamela, snorted more heroin,
- 24:49Speaker 3: drew a bath, got into the tub, and never got out.
- 24:53Speaker 3: Alan was immediately skeptical. He was close with Jim Marson.
- 24:59Speaker 3: He knew that Jim hated heroin, and that Jim hated
- 25:03Speaker 3: when Pamela used heroin. The idea that he would use
- 25:07Speaker 3: heroin with Pamela was highly suspicious. There was now a
- 25:11Speaker 3: doctor on the scene. He saw the body as well,
- 25:14Speaker 3: and he wanted to know from Milan what Jim's story was.
- 25:20Speaker 3: The phone then rang. Pamela answered it and spoke in
- 25:24Speaker 3: hushed tones. Alan knew who she was speaking with, her
- 25:28Speaker 3: Parisian friends, the ones Jim hated so much, the ones
- 25:32Speaker 3: Jim wanted Pamela to break free from the heroin addicts
- 25:37Speaker 3: Jim said to Alan recently about Pam in regards to
- 25:40Speaker 3: her and her friends and her heroin habit, quote, you
- 25:44Speaker 3: and I are on the side of life, She is
- 25:46Speaker 3: on the side of death. Pam told Alan that she
- 25:50Speaker 3: had gotten rid of all the drugs in the apartment,
- 25:54Speaker 3: but Alan also saw Pam inside of Jim's desk while
- 25:58Speaker 3: the authorities were pre occupied locking away his papers his poetry.
- 26:04Speaker 3: She then made for the fireplace with another stack of papers, letters,
- 26:08Speaker 3: letters that she had written musings. She told Alan about
- 26:13Speaker 3: her drug use that she didn't want the authorities to find.
- 26:16Speaker 3: She set fire to the letters in the fireplace as
- 26:19Speaker 3: she also grabbed the newsweek magazine Jim was reading and
- 26:23Speaker 3: the cover story on that magazine the Plague of Heroin.
- 26:27Speaker 3: Pamela then grabbed a fur coat. It belonged to one
- 26:31Speaker 3: of her friends and it was seemingly.
- 26:33Speaker 2: Worth a lot of money.
- 26:34Speaker 3: She told Alan that she had to call her sister
- 26:37Speaker 3: in Los Angeles and that she wanted her sister to
- 26:39Speaker 3: head to the Electra Records office to steal the latest
- 26:42Speaker 3: earnings from the doors before it was too late. Alan
- 26:46Speaker 3: Renee is on record recounting this statement from Pamela corson.
- 26:50Speaker 3: Alan suggested that instead of focusing on stealing money, that
- 26:54Speaker 3: they called Jim's lawyer in Los Angeles to help arrange
- 26:56Speaker 3: the necessary affairs of the deceased. Emila did not like
- 27:01Speaker 3: this idea. She then explained that she wanted Jim's body cremated.
- 27:06Speaker 3: Alan protested cremation in France was something that criminals did
- 27:10Speaker 3: to the deceased when they didn't want to answer questions
- 27:12Speaker 3: about the recently departed. But Pamela didn't want Jim's body
- 27:16Speaker 3: flown back to the United States. She was suspicious of
- 27:19Speaker 3: the process the body would be inspected. She didn't want
- 27:23Speaker 3: it known that Jim overdosed, so cremation was necessary. Alan
- 27:28Speaker 3: protested again and convinced Pam that a proper burial could
- 27:32Speaker 3: take place there In Paris quickly at Perlachet's Cemetery, the
- 27:36Speaker 3: eternal home of great artists, befitting of Jim's post mortem company,
- 27:40Speaker 3: including Frederick Chopin, Eugene Delacroix, Edith Piaf, and Oscar Wilde.
- 27:47Speaker 3: In the meantime, Jim's body would remain in the apartment
- 27:50Speaker 3: in the tub on ice, with Pam sleeping next to him,
- 27:54Speaker 3: keeping guard throughout the end of the weekend and into Monday,
- 27:58Speaker 3: a highly unusual move, something that authorities told Pam was
- 28:02Speaker 3: nearly never done. But Pam wouldn't allow the police inspector,
- 28:05Speaker 3: or the medical inspector or the doctors to prevail against
- 28:09Speaker 3: her wishes to keep the body in the apartment until
- 28:12Speaker 3: the funeral. For reasons I still don't understand, authorities allowed
- 28:16Speaker 3: Pam to keep the body there in the apartment. Dry
- 28:19Speaker 3: ice was delivered and the bathtub was packed, and Jim
- 28:22Speaker 3: Morrison's dead body remained under the watchful eyes of his girlfriend,
- 28:27Speaker 3: Pamela Corson. A month earlier, in June nineteen seventy one,
- 28:34Speaker 3: in the south of France, on the French Riviera, at
- 28:36Speaker 3: a decadent hideaway known as Vaenelco, the Rolling Stones had
- 28:40Speaker 3: begun recording what would become their masterpiece Exile on Main Street.
- 28:45Speaker 3: They were outlaws on the run, hiding out from UK
- 28:49Speaker 3: tax collectors. In addition to their financial problems, the Stones
- 28:53Speaker 3: had another problem where to procure heroin to satiate the
- 28:57Speaker 3: habits of Stone's guitarist Keith Richards and his friend and
- 29:01Speaker 3: visitor to Nellcote, The cosmic American songwriter Graham Parsons. To
- 29:06Speaker 3: solve this problem, the Stones had another visitor, the Count
- 29:10Speaker 3: Jean de Brettoi. Keith Richards was so impressed by the
- 29:18Speaker 3: Count's product that he offered the Count use of his
- 29:20Speaker 3: home in London. The Count took Keith up on the offer.
- 29:24Speaker 3: He left the French Riviera for Keith's place, and when
- 29:28Speaker 3: he settled into Keith Diggs in the Tony neighborhood of
- 29:31Speaker 3: London's chain Walk, he made some new friends, new friends
- 29:35Speaker 3: with similar habits. Talithagetty, heiress to the Getty Fortune, an actress, songwriter,
- 29:42Speaker 3: Rolling Stone's muse and ex girlfriend to Mick Jagger, mary
- 29:45Speaker 3: Anne Faithful. The Count was especially keen on mary Anne.
- 29:51Speaker 3: Mary Anne was rock and roll Royalty. Mary Anne co
- 29:54Speaker 3: wrote the Stone song Sister Morphine. She was famously part
- 29:58Speaker 3: of the Stones bust at Redlands. She was the infamous
- 30:01Speaker 3: naked girl in Fur who was plastered all over the
- 30:04Speaker 3: front pages of the newspapers back in nineteen sixty seven,
- 30:08Speaker 3: and she loved heroin so in June of nineteen seventy one,
- 30:13Speaker 3: while Count Jean de Battoi took advantage of Keith Richards's
- 30:17Speaker 3: offer to use his home in London. He also took
- 30:20Speaker 3: advantage of his new neighbour's heroin habit and used his
- 30:23Speaker 3: supply to begin a relationship with one of London's hippis
- 30:26Speaker 3: young women, Mick Jaggers ex Maryanne Faithful. The pair quickly
- 30:31Speaker 3: decided to split from London for Paris. The Count had
- 30:35Speaker 3: another girl there, another girl who relied on his heroin,
- 30:39Speaker 3: another girl with a rock star boyfriend, Pamela Corson aka
- 30:45Speaker 3: Pam Morrison. In the early hours of July third, nineteen
- 31:17Speaker 3: seventy one, Marianne Faithful and the Count Jean de Battoia
- 31:21Speaker 3: awoke to the sound of the telephone they were in
- 31:24Speaker 3: bed in a five star Paris hotel. According to Marianne,
- 31:31Speaker 3: Pamela Corson was on the other end of the line
- 31:33Speaker 3: and she was frantic, begging the Count to come to
- 31:36Speaker 3: her apartment immediately. Marianne was not jealous anything, but she
- 31:42Speaker 3: wanted desperately to meet the notorious rock star Jim Morrison.
- 31:46Speaker 3: The Count wouldn't allow it, though. After hanging up, he
- 31:49Speaker 3: quickly dressed and left Marianne behind for Pamela.
- 31:54Speaker 2: Jim Morrison was dead by that time.
- 31:56Speaker 3: On the morning of July third, nineteen seventy one. His
- 32:00Speaker 3: death was not faked. We know this because of the many,
- 32:03Speaker 3: many people who saw his body over the span of
- 32:06Speaker 3: many hours later on that morning. The more interesting question
- 32:10Speaker 3: isn't did Jim Morrison fake his death? No, the more
- 32:14Speaker 3: interesting question is how did Jim Morrison die? Officially, a
- 32:19Speaker 3: French medical examiner determined that Jim Morrison died of heart failure.
- 32:24Speaker 3: This is what Pamela Courson wanted. She did not want
- 32:27Speaker 3: it known that Jim died of a drug overdose, but
- 32:30Speaker 3: he did.
- 32:31Speaker 2: Clearly.
- 32:33Speaker 3: She'd admitted that on the scene to Lanrone. This information
- 32:37Speaker 3: was corroborated by Agnes Varda, who was also there with
- 32:40Speaker 3: Alan and Pam, and it's been confirmed over and over
- 32:43Speaker 3: again by others close to Jim and Pam. But Jim
- 32:46Speaker 3: Morrison dying of a heroin overdose doesn't make sense because
- 32:51Speaker 3: everyone who knew Jim Morrison, including Pamela Corson, knew that
- 32:55Speaker 3: he despised heroin.
- 32:57Speaker 2: He didn't use heroin.
- 32:58Speaker 3: Jim Morrison drained and used cocaine. Furthermore, he was in
- 33:03Speaker 3: Paris to clean up, to get healthy, so it strands
- 33:06Speaker 3: credulity to believe that he chose this time in his
- 33:09Speaker 3: life to develop a heroin habit, especially after, according to
- 33:13Speaker 3: his close friend Alan Rene, he'd recently described the drug
- 33:17Speaker 3: and his girlfriend's and her friend's usage of the drug
- 33:20Speaker 3: as deathly. But wait, there's more. In the police report
- 33:26Speaker 3: file by the Paris Police Superintendent, Pamela Courson stated to
- 33:31Speaker 3: him that pam found Jim's body in the tub, submerged
- 33:34Speaker 3: in water sometime between eight thirty and nine am, and
- 33:39Speaker 3: then she called authorities shortly thereafter. Pam further claimed that
- 33:44Speaker 3: she last saw Jim alive sometime around four in the
- 33:46Speaker 3: morning before she went to bed. However, in the report
- 33:50Speaker 3: file by the Paris Fire Brigade detailing the evidence as
- 33:54Speaker 3: witnessed by the lieutenant on the scene that morning, when
- 33:57Speaker 3: he arrived on the scene at nine twenty one am,
- 34:01Speaker 3: the water in the tub was still luke warm. Now
- 34:06Speaker 3: would the water still be warm if Jim drew his
- 34:10Speaker 3: bath hours earlier, or perhaps was the bath drawn later after,
- 34:16Speaker 3: perhaps after Jim died, Perhaps after Jim died somewhere other
- 34:22Speaker 3: than the tub, perhaps after Jim was placed in the tub.
- 34:27Speaker 3: What happened between the hours of four am when Pamela
- 34:30Speaker 3: last saw Jim at nine to twenty one am when
- 34:33Speaker 3: authorities arrived at her apartment. According to Marianne Faithful, Pamela
- 34:38Speaker 3: called the Count and the Count went to PAMs to Pamela,
- 34:42Speaker 3: and the Count moved Jim's body.
- 34:44Speaker 2: Why would they do that?
- 34:46Speaker 3: Was that move part of a larger cleanup effort on
- 34:49Speaker 3: behalf of the two? Marianne Faithful has claimed that earlier
- 34:54Speaker 3: that evening, Pamela Morrison was snorting the Count's heroin. It
- 34:58Speaker 3: was the type of heroin with the street name cotton candy.
- 35:03Speaker 3: Heroin isn't like cocaine or marijuana. It doesn't have a
- 35:07Speaker 3: signature color. There's black heroin, brown heroin, and there was
- 35:11Speaker 3: cotton candy heroin called such because of its light color.
- 35:16Speaker 3: It was pinkish, nearly white, And because of this, Marianne
- 35:20Speaker 3: Faithful claims that Jim Morrison mistook Pamela Courson's heroin for cocaine,
- 35:26Speaker 3: snorted too much of it, overdosed and died. We know
- 35:30Speaker 3: the Count was at the apartment that morning. Remember the
- 35:33Speaker 3: phone call Pamela Morrison received from her Parisian friends, the
- 35:37Speaker 3: one that agitated Alan Rene.
- 35:40Speaker 2: After that phone call, Alan.
- 35:42Speaker 3: Claimed he saw the Count outside on the street and
- 35:45Speaker 3: that he himself let the Count into the apartment to
- 35:48Speaker 3: see Pam. Later that morning, when the Count returned to
- 35:52Speaker 3: Marianne at the hotel, Marianne claimed he was agitated and
- 35:57Speaker 3: that he beat her. Afterward, he told Marianne to get packed.
- 36:01Speaker 3: He was clearly scared to death, afraid for his life.
- 36:05Speaker 3: Jim Morrison had taken his heroin and died, and now
- 36:10Speaker 3: he and Marianne Faithful needed to leave for Morocco immediately,
- 36:14Speaker 3: or so goes the story by Marianne Faithful. This story
- 36:19Speaker 3: the story that Jim Morrison mistakenly snorted heroin thinking it
- 36:23Speaker 3: was cocaine and died. If we're to believe Marianne Faithful,
- 36:27Speaker 3: this story makes far more sense than the idea that
- 36:30Speaker 3: Jim Morrison was just another junkie rock star who overdosed
- 36:34Speaker 3: on smack. But wait, there's yet another story. In Paris,
- 36:41Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy one, there was a nightclub that Jim
- 36:44Speaker 3: Morrison hung out at called the Rock.
- 36:46Speaker 2: And Roll Circus.
- 36:48Speaker 3: It was a hotbed for drug use of all kinds,
- 36:51Speaker 3: including heroin. In two thousand and seven, the manager of
- 36:54Speaker 3: that club, Sam Benet, published a book in French only
- 36:59Speaker 3: in which he made the claim that Jim overdosed on
- 37:01Speaker 3: heroin that night at the Rock and Roll Circus, and
- 37:04Speaker 3: that his body was moved out of the club, back
- 37:07Speaker 3: to his apartment and placed in the tug. Conspiracy theorists
- 37:12Speaker 3: love this theory, but I don't. First of all, why
- 37:16Speaker 3: would they take the body all the way back to
- 37:18Speaker 3: Jim's apartment and carefully stage a scene with him in
- 37:21Speaker 3: the tug. Why not just take him out of the
- 37:23Speaker 3: club and leave the body in the street or in
- 37:25Speaker 3: somebody's car, or anywhere.
- 37:27Speaker 2: Really, why go through all the trouble.
- 37:29Speaker 3: Of having to sneak the body through the streets of
- 37:32Speaker 3: Paris into an apartment and then presumably convinced the dead
- 37:35Speaker 3: dude's girlfriend to get behind this fantastic lie with you,
- 37:39Speaker 3: a lie that would clearly complicate her life. What incentive
- 37:43Speaker 3: would Pamela Courson have to support this lie? An even
- 37:48Speaker 3: more interesting question is why was Pamela Coursen behaving so
- 37:52Speaker 3: dishonestly in the hours after the body was discovered. According
- 37:57Speaker 3: to Alan Rene, she was allegedly busy making arrangements to
- 38:00Speaker 3: get her hands on Jim's money back in la She
- 38:03Speaker 3: was hiding papers, burning letters, squirreling away expensive furs and
- 38:08Speaker 3: making plans to have the body quickly cremated, and when
- 38:11Speaker 3: that didn't work, she moved to have the body quickly
- 38:13Speaker 3: buried instead. She didn't want Jim's lawyer involved, so she
- 38:17Speaker 3: settled on dealing with his manager, Bill Siddons, who, once
- 38:21Speaker 3: he was informed in Los Angeles of Jim's death, dropped
- 38:24Speaker 3: everything and flew to Paris. According to John Densmore, the
- 38:28Speaker 3: Doors drummer, Bill Siddons told him that when he arrived
- 38:32Speaker 3: at the scene, he found heroin in the apartment in
- 38:35Speaker 3: a carved wooden box, and that it was his belief
- 38:38Speaker 3: that Jim snorted that heroin by accident and died. When
- 38:49Speaker 3: I look at stories like this, where multiple people are
- 38:52Speaker 3: saying different things, each with their own relationship to the truth,
- 38:57Speaker 3: I look for incentives. What incentives does the person making
- 39:01Speaker 3: the claim have for making that statement. Why would Bill
- 39:05Speaker 3: Siddons lie to John Densmore, the drummer for the band
- 39:08Speaker 3: that he managed, his client, his friend. I can't think
- 39:13Speaker 3: of a reason.
- 39:14Speaker 2: Why.
- 39:15Speaker 3: Why would Alan Rene, Jim Morrison's close friend, lie about
- 39:18Speaker 3: what he saw that morning, about the way Pam was acting.
- 39:22Speaker 3: Seems to me that doing so would make his life
- 39:25Speaker 3: more complicated, more painful. And why would Agnes Varda back
- 39:29Speaker 3: up his lies as well?
- 39:30Speaker 2: I have no answer for that.
- 39:32Speaker 3: Why would the manager of the rock and roll circus
- 39:35Speaker 3: publish a book with wild claims about where and how
- 39:38Speaker 3: Jim Morrison died?
- 39:39Speaker 2: Well?
- 39:40Speaker 3: I could think of a couple of reasons. None of
- 39:42Speaker 3: them speak to the author's credibility. Mary Anne Faithful's comments
- 39:46Speaker 3: strike me as the most credible. She had no incentive
- 39:49Speaker 3: to lie and no incentive financial or otherwise to say
- 39:53Speaker 3: what she said. She started talking immediately after Jim's death
- 39:58Speaker 3: and later published her depiction of her with the Count
- 40:00Speaker 3: and the Count's involvement with Jim's death in her autobiography.
- 40:04Speaker 2: Mary Anne's comments.
- 40:05Speaker 3: Never elevated or relegated her status in pop culture. They
- 40:09Speaker 3: were just part of her own wild rock and roll story.
- 40:12Speaker 3: In her story that Jim Morrison died by mistakingly snorting
- 40:17Speaker 3: her boyfriend, the Count, Jean de Bretoi's heroin an act
- 40:20Speaker 3: that was then covered up by Pamela Corson and the Count.
- 40:24Speaker 3: That story is the story that's supported by more evidence
- 40:27Speaker 3: than any of the other claims surrounding Jim Morrison's death.
- 40:30Speaker 3: We know who the Count was and what he did
- 40:33Speaker 3: for a living. We know others died from his heroin.
- 40:38Speaker 2: And after Jim died.
- 40:40Speaker 3: After the Count split from Morocco with Mary Anne, they
- 40:43Speaker 3: soon broke up and then his life spiraled out of control.
- 40:48Speaker 3: He died in nineteen seventy two.
- 40:50Speaker 2: Of a heroin overdose.
- 40:52Speaker 3: Some who were close with him believed that he committed
- 40:55Speaker 3: suicide over how he felt about the deaths that he caused,
- 40:59Speaker 3: most notably the deaths of Janis Joplin and Jim Morrison.
- 41:03Speaker 3: And in nineteen seventy four, Pamela Corson also died of
- 41:07Speaker 3: a heroin overdose, but not before telling many many different
- 41:12Speaker 3: versions to friends about what happened the night that Jim
- 41:14Speaker 3: Morrison died. Pamela Courson was the last person alive who
- 41:20Speaker 3: truly knew how Jim Morrison passed away, a death at
- 41:25Speaker 3: just the age of twenty seven that, no matter the cause,
- 41:28Speaker 3: was most definitely a disgrace. I'm Jake Brennan and this
- 41:35Speaker 3: is Disgraceland. All right, guys, thanks for checking out this
- 41:59Speaker 3: episode of Disgraceland.
- 42:01Speaker 2: Listen. Question of the week.
- 42:02Speaker 3: This week's super simple, how do you think Jim Morrison died?
- 42:05Speaker 3: Was it heart failure, as officials have said. Was it
- 42:09Speaker 3: a heroin overdose by his own accord because he was
- 42:11Speaker 3: a junkie, or was it heroin overdose by mistake? Let
- 42:15Speaker 3: me know your theories and perhaps it was something else.
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