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S2 E32: Will Star Wars ever get "The Hunt for Ben Solo" movie? · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  It's most things, Kenobi, we always have.
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  The high ground Anakin. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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  episode of Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and
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  all things Star Wars. I'm your very sick host, Leanne.
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  I'm your Not Very Steak host Lauren.
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  I I have to say it folks, if you can't hear it in my voice, I am
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  battling a pretty bad cold, so I apologize for the voice today.
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  I've been a real trooper about it though.
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  I mean, you even showed up to our watch party on Friday.
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  Luckily that's fun off camera, but like still, that's a lot for
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  what you've been dealing with, so thank you.
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  You're welcome, we've both shown up sick to this thing before so.
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  Yeah. Not the first time, and it won't
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  be the last. It's.
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  True. I'm excited about what we're
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  going to talk about today, which I'm supposed to intro here.
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  We are discussing the Hunt for Ben Solo, which is the Adam
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  Driver driven plot for Star Wars to find Ben Solo.
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  He's still alive. The whole movie concept that he
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  came up with and was going to go forward and then Disney just
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  took the banhammer and crushed it.
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  And that doesn't mean it's dead just like Ben Solo.
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  And that's why we're here to talk about it, because it is
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  very much alive and well across the fandom.
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  Yes, a part of me wonders if, like I know he said that because
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  Disney has officially squashed it, he can finally talk about
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  it. But also, maybe it was on
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  purpose to get the fans all railed up because let's be
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  honest people, the Railo folks, they are hardcore, hardcore.
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  You offer some more Ben Solo. They will drool all over it and
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  and like move mountains to get more.
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  And I'm not even like a hardcore relo person.
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  And I'm like, yes, I would watch that movie.
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  That sounds entertaining. Yeah, I'm here for it.
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  Number one, I trust Adam Driver 'cause he's an insanely talented
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  individual and Ben Solo was easily the most engaging
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  character of the sequel trilogy in my opinion.
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  Yeah, and one of the least developed.
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  Unfortunately. And.
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  Not only that, like Han and Leia's offspring in this version
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  of Star Wars, in the Canon version if you will, deserves
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  better and deserves more and and and don't get me started.
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  If he is quote very dead according to Disney, then please
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  tell me why Qui Gon. I'm I'm going to get on the
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  soapbox. Why is Qui Gon dead?
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  But let's see which of the ones that have gotten stabbed by
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  lightsabers have have died and come back or weren't even
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  injured, didn't even die. I could go through a list of 10
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  right now. That shit ain't right.
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  Don't sit there and tell me. First of all, Palpatine has
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  returned somehow. So I don't want to hear, I don't
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  want to hear from Disney at this stage in the game that so and so
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  is dead and he can't come back. Well, that's just simply not
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  true. Ask Darth Maul.
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  OK, I'm done. I'm done venting.
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  I'm done ranting I think. That's that's the big crux of
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  the argument for everybody, though, is the so the idea is
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  that it would be after Rise of Skywalker, right?
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  And it's kind of hunt for Ben Solo could be more metaphorical
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  even than literal, where it's like searching for his
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  redemption, his true self, whatever.
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  And Disney's argument was that he's dead, he can't come back.
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  But like they're they're maybe fearful because they went for it
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  for Palpatine and the whole fandom laughed to the to their
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  graves cause good God was that so stupid.
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  Terrible. And it's become a joke.
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  You know, like the worst line in Star Wars.
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  Somehow. Palpatine's return.
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  Yeah, but. It's already a motif, so you've
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  established it. Why don't you bring back a
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  character we actually want to see instead of wrinkly old scary
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  Palpatine who's, you know, living in a cave underground?
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  Bring back Ben Solo. I want to see that instead.
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  Come on, read the room. Disney read The Room is very,
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  very real. So the comic books.
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  So all of this tie is the hunt for Ben Solo and Disney's excuse
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  for Ben Solo's Daddy Can't Come Back.
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  No OK, we have a lot of reasons why this doesn't work, Disney.
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  But most recently, as of like a week ago, people have been
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  talking about the hunt for Ben Solo in relation to the comic
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  series that came out, the Legacy of Vader, which does open the
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  topic of Ben Solo's return in the sense that Ben Solo is going
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  to a plane of existence to try and reconnect with Vader.
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  This is I haven't read these comics, so if I if I get a
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  detail or two wrong, please forgive me.
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  But from what I understood is that Charles Sulay, I believe
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  that's how you pronounce his name, is the Lucasfilm creative
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  consultant who was involved in this, this whole how do we bring
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  Ben Solo back? And how do we rewrite it so that
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  Disney accepts it? And it's through the evidence
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  that's provided in these Vader comics that Ben Solo has to find
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  Vader, not in the the World Between Worlds, which we could
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  talk about that as well, but in this plane of like where the
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  Jedi apparently become Force ghosts, which is not a thing
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  that we've experienced or explored in full in the Star
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  Wars fandom. But this comic book, which is I
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  guess considered Canon at this point, paves a path for like
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  Disney to use that. Interesting.
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  But then that sparked an idea in me of like, well, didn't Disney
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  explore this in the Ahsoka series when she.
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  Yeah. Almost drowned and she met
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  Anakin. Yeah.
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  So again, if they were to go with Ben Solo quote dies OK, He
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  disappears from the the earthly plane in Rise of Skywalker and
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  goes to this same existence that Ahsoka did in the Ahsoka series.
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  Think that is almost a direct platter?
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  Here you go. Because it was Anakin struggling
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  with Vader, or, as Ahsoka viewed him, struggling with his dark
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  side in this plane. And here's Vader again, once,
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  once again showing up in the same plane to Ben Solo, another
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  protege. Yeah.
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  It could work. It could work.
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  They've they've dabbled with the World Between Worlds and while
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  I'm not a huge fan of it, it could work in this existent in
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  this example I don't think. He's World between Worlds is
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  such a tricky area because they haven't quite defined it yet.
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  They haven't. So they could do it, kind of use
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  it, yeah, however they want. And Adam Driver's been talking
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  about this project. I think in the article he said
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  that like 2021, he had a conversation with Kathleen
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  Kennedy. So when did the Ahsoka show come
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  out with that concept of Ahsoka being in that in between liminal
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  space? So did they because he pitched
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  the idea. Filoni was part of the the group
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  that heard his pitch, including Kathleen Kennedy.
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  And then there was somebody else, and I can't remember them
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  off the top of my head. Was it Casey?
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  Carrie Beck, I think, is the other person.
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  And obviously there's talk that Filoni is gonna maybe take over
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  for Kennedy when she retires. And then if Disney squashes the
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  idea, is it possible that Filoni absorbed it and put it in his
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  own story because they knew they were not gonna use it for the
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  Ben Solo story? Either way, whatever they've
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  created in the interim, it makes room, I think, for this story.
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  And I'm honestly, I'd rather watch that than some of the
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  other concepts that they're working on right now.
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  Because I think a lot of people feel this way too about the the
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  sequel trilogy's. The Ben Solo's arc didn't really
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  complete all the way. It felt like really abruptly cut
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  off before completely resolved. And I remember in the theater
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  watching the scene where he brings back Ray, she dies first,
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  right? And then he brings her back and
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  then he dies. It's like, why doesn't she just
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  bring him back right away? Like they could just keep going
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  back and forth and find a little in between balance and then they
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  can both be mostly alive. They could be like us.
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  We're both here, but only, you know, half of a person, and
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  together we make one. Yeah, it's like Princess Bride,
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  where he's only mostly dead. He's not all dead, just he's
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  mostly dead. He's not all dead correct.
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  He's. Slightly alive.
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  I I just don't think Disney has a strong case so.
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  Yeah. My question is, what was really
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  in that script they didn't like? Was it too dark?
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  Yeah, because they people have said the money is the argument.
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  And according to Adam Driver's interview with The Associated
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  Press, he said that they had discussed that Soderbergh and
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  him and had a way of filming it that was cheaper than most of
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  the other projects that they're working on.
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  Even though they were gonna use practical sense and everything.
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  Not, not so much because he was saying Empire Strikes Back was
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  like his the bar, you know that he would set because that's one
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  of his favorite movies. Or makes.
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  Sense Star Star Wars movies and like the idea was to it sounded
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  character driven as opposed to action, big animated sequences,
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  you know, special effects sequences, stuff like that.
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  Oh no please. We can't have character driven
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  shows. We need a metaverse full of
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  bombs and explosions and give me a break.
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  I really think well, OK, so money.
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  So again, for those who are in the know, have you checked the
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  cost of fast passes lately at the Disney parks?
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  Don't sit there and tell me it's money.
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  Disney. Yeah.
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  This is one of their parks. That's just, yeah #2 Rian
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  Johnson has apparently thrown his voice into the, into the mix
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  and said there is no amount of money he wouldn't, he wouldn't
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  give or take or whatever to make this movie.
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  Like, I literally think the quote was take my money now.
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  Yeah, you and I have a very strong opinion about Rian
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  Johnson's history in Star Wars. Yeah, because his his movies
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  have a tendency to have not finished their arcs.
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  And I've noticed this from well before he was a famous director,
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  whereas Soderbergh, and I'm not saying Ryan Johnson's a bad
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  director, his movies are beautiful.
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  It's really just, I have an issue with the way he makes the
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  story arcs. Soderbergh is kind of the
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  opposite. He's always very character
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  driven. It's it's usually got a touch of
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  humor. It's it's very engaging.
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  He did Erin Brockovich. He did Ocean's 11, the George
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  Clooney 1. He did a movie with Adam Driver
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  called Logan Lucky. Oh, everybody loves that movie.
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  Right. And it's the kind of movie where
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  you're like, what am I watching? And then by the end, you're like
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  I, I can't look away. Right.
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  I tried to watch it. I couldn't watch it.
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  It was it was bad timing for me. But yeah, it's everyone has said
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  they they love that movie that has have watched it in full.
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  The first time I saw it I was kind of like I could take it or
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  leave it. But I rewatched it recently and
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  I found out what much more engaging and entertaining this
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  time around. Maybe because I knew what was
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  coming and I was like, ready for the story, but it's so goofy.
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  And my family is from West Virginia, so it was just kind of
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  not that part of West Virginia, but still it was we're actually
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  up by the like the Pittsburgh, like you could fly into
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  Pittsburgh to get into the part of West Virginia by my family.
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  And so it's different, but it was the same.
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  Different but the same. Yeah.
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  Anyway, the point is, I would trust Soderbergh completely to
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  make a movie that would at least entertain us at the very least
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  and blow our minds that, you know, the largest expectation.
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  If you look at any of I'm just scrolling right now, the the
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  amount of news articles on this on this movie, we'll say yeah,
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  it it's just it's like, you know.
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  It's crazy. Where do I even begin?
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  It's Star Wars. Ben Solo film campaign
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  intensifies. Rian Johnson shares strong
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  opinion on the hunt for Ben Solo The hunt for Ben Solo fan
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  campaign launches Toys for Tots fundraiser.
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  Fans pay for new banner to fly above Disney asking the studio
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  to make the hunt for Ben Solo. I mean.
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  Did you see the photo of that? It's real.
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  There's a plane flying over Disney and I think it flew over
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  right after their earnings report came out.
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  Shit. Yeah.
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  Well played. Well played.
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  Yeah, this one here kills me. Star Wars fans demand the hunt
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  for Ben Solo in viral stunt at Disney Studios.
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  Like what? What are we doing out here,
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  folks? Oh my gosh, I know there's a
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  Change.org petition campaign. I checked it has over 6000
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  signatures already. Wow.
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  It's just what people are willing to do.
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  If Adam Driver was in any doubt of how loved he is and his
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  character, let that doubt be removed.
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  People are going crazy. He really brought something that
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  I wanted more of in the third installment, the third sequel,
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  The Rise of Sky. I really did.
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  I really did. Those final moments of him when
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  he gets to Hexagal and is like rushing to Rey are some of the
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  finest moments of that character's entire story.
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  And it was maybe 10 minutes of the entire trilogy.
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  It made me. It was when we really got to see
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  Han Solo's son, truly. There is even a way of telling
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  this story where he is dead. Yeah, yes.
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  So he could be in the world between worlds or like
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  transitioning through a liminal space into force Ghostam.
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  And it could be that whole idea of the afterlife where you
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  relive your life moments. You know, there's that, that
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  concept that's that's in the spiritual world that you have to
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  face some of your history before you can transition into the the
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  afterlife, so to speak. And wouldn't that be a great way
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  to answer all the questions that folks had with like, how did
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  Darth Vader end up a forest ghost, the forest ghost Anakin
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  Skywalker at the end of Return of the Jedi?
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  And if this is about Ben Solo examining, you know, Anakin or,
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  or Vader's path in the same manner, it it could really, not
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  that I'm saying we have to bring back Hayden again for like a
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  full movie, but like, we could have moments where that's
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  explored a little bit through Ben Solo's eyes.
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  And it would answer a slew of questions that people still have
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  for Return of the Jedi. Yes, and there's great
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  opportunity to show how did Kylo Ren find Vader's helmet?
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  You know, how did he change into Ben Solo Where?
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  Because we didn't see that scene, we saw where he was with
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  Rey and she healed him and then she leaves him and he has that
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  moment, I guess, with Han. But still, it's like there's
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  little in in between scenes that would be really interesting to
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  see. How did he get connected with
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  the Knights of Ren? That's the other thing, they
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  never really answered that question.
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  We never got the full Knights of Ren story at all.
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  Yeah, and Snoke and all of this stuff, there's a lot missing
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  that is inferred, but you could actually, and you don't have to
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  show a whole bunch of it, just little snippets of it to create
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  his backlog that he'd be reliving or whatever.
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  I just think it would be. There's ways to do it.
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  So if Disney wants to argue that he's dead and can't come back?
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  I'm not accepting that. I'm not either but like you
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  could still tell the story with him dead.
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  Totally, totally. It would be a whole different
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  frontier for Star Wars, actually.
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  To me, they just want to close the book and keep it closed,
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  that they've made that known. Which is so funny because they
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  fought so hard to kill the Skywalker Saga so that they
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  could tell this new story with Ray and it's now they don't want
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  to even tell that story anymore. It's just.
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  It's crazy. It's very tiring to get invested
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  as a fan. And then?
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  Then have them just shut, shut it down, you know, and then
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  spend all this money and effort into new areas that no one is
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  invested in yet. We don't.
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  We don't know this, don't really care yet.
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  Yeah, yeah. Just cause Ryan Gosling's in a
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  movie doesn't make me care. I like Ryan Gosling, he's great,
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  but I don't care yet. I'll care later if it's good.
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  But yeah. And sorry.
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  It it does raise a question like you, you brought up did Adam
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  drive or no saying something would help his case.
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  He's no, he's a, he's no fool. Yeah.
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  You know. He knows what's up.
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  He's been to celebration. He has.
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  He hated it, but he still went. I'm sure he's contractually
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  obligated to go, but you you can't deny that people love him,
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  and not just from Star Wars. Adam Driver is beloved for
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  girls. It's where a lot of people first
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  got. Into oh hell yes, that's where I
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  first met him quote UN quote on screen.
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  Oh what a mess he was in that show, but he played it so well.
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  He was so well acted he's just so.
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  He's like a fine tooth comb of an actor, you know?
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  Yeah. He's just very precise with
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  whatever he's trying to act and portray.
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  He's very good at it. Isn't he?
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  A method. He might be.
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  That's a good question. For some reason that's in my
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  brain, but so is a lot of Nyquil and Dayquil all mixed together,
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  so I could be making that up. I don't remember if he, I
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  wouldn't be surprised if he went to Strasbourg or if he went to
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  Juilliard, but I don't. I don't know, actually.
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  I've never looked. That's a good question.
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  He's so damn good. He's from Indiana, not too far
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  from where I live. OK, well there's a there's also
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  an opinion out there that resurrecting Ben Solo would be
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  another example of a Disney and Lucasfilm course correcting
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  action. Yeah, but I wouldn't be upset.
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  I wouldn't be upset only because if they did it properly then it
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  would have a point. Whereas some of the other course
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  correcting actions that they've done to bring back dead
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  characters was just to force a story to happen or to force our
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  like a fandom's hand in accepting A poorly written
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  storyline. Yeah, I personally I feel like
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  Star Wars is such a hot mess now with the way they tell stories
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  and repurpose stuff that already exists.
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  Who cares anymore? I mean the integrity is is
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  diminished. Yes I absolutely agree and they
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  made that pretty clear with with Andor and how they were
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  recasting Rogue One, which is considered one of the best Star
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  Wars movies by many people. It's very popular.
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  But yes. I mean, and that wasn't it
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  wasn't like weak storytelling. Andor is very beautifully
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  written. I but after that, it's just kind
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  of like, well, I'm not gonna get too invested in Canon anymore
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  'cause it seems to be fluid. It's gonna change with every
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  piece of material they put out. Totally.
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  So, So who cares at this point? Like course correct as many
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  times as you want. You're gonna change it again
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  with the next piece that comes out.
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  I don't know, that's maybe too cynical, but.
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  No, it's realistic. I agree like when you say the
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  integrity is diminished, I completely that's like the
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  perfect way to say it. At this point, I no longer it's
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  personal. Now you just kind of like hold
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  on to the things you care about in your heart.
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  And it's no longer what's the word I'm looking for?
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  Sacred or, you know, protected within the actual Canon created
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  by Lucasfilm. So I mean, this is what they
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  wanted. They wanted to be able to open
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  everything up and tell all kinds of stories.
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  And so just, but what they're doing is telling 500 versions of
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  The Mandalorian instead of actually branching out.
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  We're just talking about Mandalorians now.
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  There's a movie and there's another Ray movie, there's a
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  James Mangold movie. There's like a lot of movies in
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  the pipeline. What's another one?
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  I'm, I'm just, I'm still stuck and bitter over Sabine taking an
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  entire lightsaber to the stomach the same way that that Qui Gon
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  did, but the Jedi Master died and this Mandalorian survived.
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  I have, I have problems. So don't sit there and tell me
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  Ben Solo's dead and we can't bring them back.
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  No, that's not how that works anymore.
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  Because of what you're doing, Disney, because of your doing.
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  You are the ones who set this in motion.
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  Not yes, not anybody else. The.
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  Fans shit. You know, our, our patron Ben
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  was telling me the other day that he was listening to a
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  podcast that was interviewing Henry Gilroy, who is a writer
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  from Rebels. And I don't think there's a
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  relation to Tony Gilroy. I think Ben said that they
• 24:38
  weren't related even though they have the same last name.
• 24:42
  Anyone with the last name Gilroy is apparently a writer.
• 24:49
  But he was saying that he they had played with the idea of
• 24:52
  making Sabina Jedi in Rebels and they they shut the idea down
• 24:57
  because it wasn't gonna work. And then he was really, he was
• 25:01
  really surprised to see it show up at the Ahsoka show.
• 25:03
  So again, even when they make a decision, they change their mind
• 25:07
  on it. So why get all uptight about it
• 25:12
  now and hold hold fast against the the I, I You're right, it's
• 25:17
  got to be another reason for real.
• 25:19
  Unless they are just that hypocritical.
• 25:21
  But well, if I. Was Adam Driver and I sat in on
• 25:25
  that meeting, I would have rolled my eyes right in front of
• 25:27
  him because he is in the movie where they say somehow Palpatine
• 25:30
  returned. And I would gently remind them
• 25:34
  that they set this precedence and this this trend, if you
• 25:38
  will. Yeah.
• 25:39
  For allowing characters to get stabbed or thrown down
• 25:43
  electrical shafts or whatever. Whatever, you can still come
• 25:47
  back. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:50
  And it was that movie, or The Last Jedi, I can't remember,
• 25:53
  where Luke says no one's ever really gone.
• 25:56
  That was Last Jedi and Luke said that to Leia, which would be a
• 26:00
  nice tie in for the Ben Solo if Leia's own son was never really
• 26:04
  gone. Yeah.
• 26:07
  So you can bridge this, Disney, if you want to.
• 26:10
  You can do it. We believe in you.
• 26:13
  You can do it. If anyone has the resources to
• 26:17
  do it, it's you Disney. OK.
• 26:22
  Would would you like to see it? Would you like to see Adam
• 26:25
  Driver's movie take place? I I would, because I like you.
• 26:29
  I trust Adam Driver. He's got a lot of integrity and
• 26:32
  really cares about story and directors.
• 26:36
  He doesn't want to make big, flashy blockbusters.
• 26:40
  He not that he wouldn't. It's more that there's got to be
• 26:42
  something else that draws him to the project.
• 26:45
  Yeah. So I I would trust him to at the
• 26:47
  very least tell an entertaining story and at the most something
• 26:52
  really beautiful and kind of maybe even mind blowing that
• 26:57
  would tie into a larger idea of the force.
• 26:59
  Yeah, I would definitely go see it.
• 27:01
  Shut up and take my money. I'm with you.
• 27:06
  I was gonna say, what about you? Yep, I'm right there with you.
• 27:09
  I trust Adam Driver and to a larger extent Soderbergh for
• 27:14
  telling the story I think would be needed in this.
• 27:18
  In this case, at the risk of it being poorly done, I would still
• 27:24
  watch it just to see it because I think it would.
• 27:26
  There's more hope with this, with with those two and maybe
• 27:31
  another another duo writing it and acting it so.
• 27:37
  I feel like with them at the helm, it has great potential.
• 27:42
  Where it might fall apart is in executive production.
• 27:47
  The executive producers are the ones who finance the movie and
• 27:50
  have like the ultimate say in what they will and won't approve
• 27:53
  with their money. Which is why a lot of people
• 27:56
  like Diego Luna became an executive producer in Andor
• 27:59
  'cause they want to make decisions.
• 28:01
  So if Adam Driver and Soderbergh were EPS on the the movie, it
• 28:08
  has a better, yeah, it has a much better chance of holding
• 28:13
  that integrity all the way through.
• 28:15
  Same thing with Ewan. McGregor was an executive
• 28:17
  producer on Kenobi because he wanted to have influence over
• 28:20
  the story. It makes it makes sense.
• 28:23
  Actors get sick of being invested in a character and then
• 28:25
  having the character not do what they want it to do.
• 28:28
  No shit, we as a fandom are tired of it.
• 28:33
  Yeah. And we have the most money in
• 28:35
  it, we do. We're the reason that it it gets
• 28:39
  put into production. I mean, give it give or take,
• 28:43
  but without fans, there's no reason to keep making more.
• 28:47
  You know, it's really ultimately George Lucas made it because
• 28:50
  George Lucas loved it and it was his baby and his project and he
• 28:53
  didn't care. Of course you care if people see
• 28:55
  it because film is also a business, but I think he did it
• 29:00
  because he loves cinema. He loved making movies.
• 29:02
  That's the like root of it. But now it's a whole nother
• 29:06
  animal. You have fandom attached to it
• 29:09
  and it's definitely evolved into something more dependent on fan
• 29:15
  approval, which can be annoying or it can be a great benefit.
• 29:19
  I'm sure if you started a GoFundMe this movie would be
• 29:24
  financed like I've seen it with other movies so take.
• 29:31
  The next week alone a fast pass cost and donate it directly to
• 29:36
  the movie and you will have it funded in a week with bonus
• 29:41
  checks for the holiday to Adam Driver.
• 29:45
  That's how expensive fast pass are now, bitches.
• 29:49
  Oh my God, you're right. Anyway, will we ever find Ben
• 29:56
  Solo? I hope so.
• 29:59
  I hope so, too. Please.
• 30:01
  Yes. All right, everybody, tell us
• 30:08
  your thoughts. Would you like to see the movie
• 30:11
  Hunt for Ben Solo slash Hunt for Red October?
• 30:17
  I I'm sorry. This is every time I say it,
• 30:19
  that's what I think of. Me too.
• 30:20
  Sean Pottery should be in there somewhere.
• 30:25
  Sorry, I totally sidetracked myself.
• 30:30
  Tell us your thoughts, which you like Disney to green light this
• 30:32
  project. Would you go see it?
• 30:34
  Would you sign a petition? Would you support a GoFundMe?
• 30:40
  Tell us either on our social medias.
• 30:43
  You can leave comments on Spotify.
• 30:44
  You can e-mail us, just we'd love to hear from you.
• 30:49
  In our next episode, we're going to go back to The Clone Wars and
• 30:52
  talk about one of our favorite episodes.
• 30:56
  It's just a one. It's not an arc.
• 30:58
  It's just just one and done Bounty hunters, which is the
• 31:03
  mess of Obi Wan and Anakin wrecking the ship and Ahsoko
• 31:08
  listening to them argue. And then they go to the little
• 31:11
  Felicia town of Turtle people and help them defeat Hondo and
• 31:16
  the bounty hunters and chaos ensues.
• 31:19
  And we're here to talk about it because we love it and it's fun
• 31:21
  and Obi Wan looks good in the episode, so, you know.
• 31:25
  It ticks all the boxes. It hits them all, so join us on
• 31:30
  our next episode for some Clone Wars fun.
• 31:34
  In our last episode we discussed stupid Star Wars names and I
• 31:38
  have to say, we got so much feedback.
• 31:42
  It was hilarious. It was really funny.
• 31:46
  I'm so glad everyone liked it. Some people like confessing to
• 31:50
  names they didn't like, that they were kind of embarrassed
• 31:52
  that they didn't like because they're popular characters, and
• 31:55
  others mentioned names that I had totally forgotten about and
• 31:59
  weren't on my radar in that regard.
• 32:02
  That's why we love the comments. I know.
• 32:05
  It was really great. Our friend Z was informing me a
• 32:12
  bit about the the name Shizor. Whatever the name is now, I've
• 32:19
  forgotten how to pronounce it already.
• 32:22
  It's only been a few weeks that I've already forgotten.
• 32:25
  But she speaks Chinese and she was saying that she does think
• 32:28
  it's probably based on the Chinese word with the XI is very
• 32:34
  Chinese in. Yes.
• 32:36
  Yeah, so she was saying it's hard to explain, but the H sound
• 32:40
  isn't so obvious, so it's not even really she.
• 32:42
  It's like a C. S.
• 32:44
  IC EE sound OK? She's guessing that that's the
• 32:49
  name choices because of a lot of Star Wars is inspired by Eastern
• 32:52
  Asian culture and elements that the author tried to emulate
• 32:56
  without thinking that non Chinese speakers have no clue
• 32:59
  how to pronounce it. Like Yep, that was me.
• 33:03
  This is a learning channel, yeah.
• 33:05
  Yeah. Thank you, Z.
• 33:07
  Yeah, I mean, when I was a teenager reading it, like I
• 33:10
  said, we're old enough that like, there was an Internet at
• 33:13
  my house, I couldn't look up how to pronounce it.
• 33:16
  So yeah, I just had no idea. Well, that was a beneficial
• 33:19
  explanation. Thank you.
• 33:21
  Yes and then she also gave me permission to share this.
• 33:24
  She doesn't like the name Obi Wan.
• 33:29
  Gasp. But she has a good explanation
• 33:32
  why she feels like it's mainly a mash up of Japanese Obi which
• 33:36
  I've actually talked about the belt in in Oh my God my brain is
• 33:40
  not working whatever. A belt in traditional sense is
• 33:44
  called an Obi I believe and the Chinese word Wan.
• 33:49
  So it just sounds like they're mixing 2 Asian languages
• 33:52
  together to get this stupid Obi Wan.
• 33:55
  That's very fair. That's fair.
• 33:59
  OK, listener F just the letter F says love your list, but you
• 34:03
  forgot Boba Fett can't take him seriously with that name.
• 34:07
  And Django as Django as well. It's true.
• 34:12
  When I hear Boba, I do think of like bubble tea.
• 34:14
  Like bubble tea? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:17
  You know what? That's a pretty obvious stupid
• 34:19
  one. It's right up there with with
• 34:21
  Porkins that I've completely forgot about.
• 34:24
  It's so obvious. But here's the question F does
• 34:28
  it rise into iconic territory because of the icon status of
• 34:33
  Boba Fett? Yeah, now I would have said yes
• 34:38
  if it was just what we got in the original trilogy, because I
• 34:41
  loved Boba Fett and now they've just expanded it into a whole
• 34:45
  nother. And we have Django to to tango
• 34:48
  with it. So.
• 34:52
  So I guess, yeah, it's pretty dumb.
• 34:54
  Yeah, it's up there. It's up there.
• 34:56
  And then Coffee Addicted 1988 said.
• 34:59
  What about some of the Wookie planet like Kashik?
• 35:01
  Now I don't hate the name, but why 33?
• 35:05
  Why's? That's a great question.
• 35:07
  Because it's Star Wars and it's stupid.
• 35:11
  That is a perfect. That is an.
• 35:13
  That is an absolutely perfect point made there.
• 35:16
  Why? 3 Why's?
• 35:26
  That's pretty good. Well thank you everybody for
• 35:29
  writing and we love your comments.
• 35:30
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• 35:32
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• 35:34
  chuckle. She really does screenshot most
• 35:37
  of them and sends them to me and I had I get a chuckle too so
• 35:40
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• 35:40
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