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S4 E11: Bobby's Turn · Nickel City Crew Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Fifteen de crazy.
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  Speaker 2: You can see you breath.
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  Speaker 1: Out in the lake effect, Breacon tables and guitar.
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  Speaker 3: Would you.
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  Speaker 2: Where's would you have to be? And to Ron Elvis
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  Speaker 2: in the lay, Panchow.
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  Speaker 1: Remembers that you need to know. I want you out
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  Speaker 1: here now, your family?
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  Speaker 2: Where's would you happy?
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  Speaker 1: Where else? Would you happen? Be?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome into the nicol City Crew. I am your host,
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  Speaker 2: Rob Crippen.
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  Speaker 3: here on Spreaker and stream Yard. We're so glad that
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  Speaker 3: you're joining us for some of your Buffalo bills and
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  Speaker 3: NFL content again today and as always, these are my
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  Speaker 3: bills thoughts set out loud.
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  Speaker 1: It's a vibe so ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Three six the show connect me? Where's would you want
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  Speaker 2: to be? All right, let's get straight to it.
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  Speaker 3: Really excited for tonight's episode as always. Uh, It's funny
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  Speaker 3: because I was talking with my co host pre show,
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  Speaker 3: and I've been kind of communicating with him throughout the weekend.
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  Speaker 3: We were kind of come at a little bit different
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  Speaker 3: and We're gonna go offense this week and the defense
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  Speaker 3: next week. And then things got switched around and was like,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, that's fine. Defense wins championships. Everybody talks about.
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  Speaker 3: Defense is important, and I think the last year's the
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  Speaker 3: Chiefs won the Super Bowl because of their defense and
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  Speaker 3: their offense was struggling throughout the year. So that's cool.
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  Speaker 3: I'm down with let's talk about the defense tonight. We've
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  Speaker 3: got a great lineup for you tonight, and I'm really
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  Speaker 3: excited about tonight's episode. Joining us as always riding gun
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  Speaker 3: my co host Adam dump truck rupsick at the crew.
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  Speaker 2: DT, what do you know about that defense? DT? What's
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  Speaker 2: what's what's up?
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  Speaker 1: City? What's up? What's up? How are we doing? Happy
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  Speaker 1: Friday nights? All in Nicole City? Crew? Right now? It
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  Speaker 1: was a good week. We're out of it, through it
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  Speaker 1: and now we can you know, talk shop as as
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  Speaker 1: we're talking right now. You know the teams in the
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  Speaker 1: stadium for the return of the Red and blue what
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  Speaker 1: did they call it? Red and blue?
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  Speaker 2: Red and blue?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a big height man. I was driving back
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  Speaker 1: home from work tonight in the nineties backed up, people
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  Speaker 1: are you know jammed up, ready to ready to get
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  Speaker 1: to the stadium, and just a preseason for the fans
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  Speaker 1: as well as the preseason for the team. So the
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  Speaker 1: vibes are good defense, baby, I mean, in the old
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  Speaker 1: saying is they win championships. But obviously you said last
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  Speaker 1: year the Chiefs did have a good D and that
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  Speaker 1: kind of helped them. But the year before that when
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  Speaker 1: they played the Eagles, the Eagles had a eighty five
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  Speaker 1: Bears type defense and you know, got forty hung on
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  Speaker 1: them and couldn't touch the homes in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: So I think we're definitely leated to the offensive side
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  Speaker 1: of the ball as offense wins championships now. But hey,
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  Speaker 1: the d's been our pride of joy for a long
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  Speaker 1: time here in Buffalo, and I hope that to continue
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  Speaker 1: into the year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny, you know, I joke about it, but
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  Speaker 2: you know it's still important. It's funny.
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  Speaker 3: It's like it's one of those situations where you know,
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  Speaker 3: you never know, you never noticed that, you know that
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  Speaker 3: you don't have one until it's too you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: too late, and it's like, oh, oh shit, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean, Like we're getting rain up on or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: The case may be.
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  Speaker 3: So I know that we've had some fun with it
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  Speaker 3: with that whole little Moniker and our dads and our
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  Speaker 3: uncles and stuff like that have always talked about the
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  Speaker 3: importance of defense, but sometimes definitely, you're absolutely right this
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  Speaker 3: this is an offensive league now, but you do need
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  Speaker 3: it to show up and bow up at certain points
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  Speaker 3: in time. And that has really, honestly, DT, been one
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  Speaker 3: of the hallmarks of the Sean McDermott defense of his
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  Speaker 3: entire tenure here in Buffalo is that, you know, he's
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  Speaker 3: got that bend but don't break mentality with Leslie Frasier.
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  Speaker 3: And he's had some great successes, a top five, top
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  Speaker 3: ten defense pretty much every single year that he's been here,
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  Speaker 3: and it kind of speaks to McDermott, you've got to
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  Speaker 3: give him his flowers on that.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about it last.
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  Speaker 3: Season DT, how his his magnum opus was against you know,
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  Speaker 3: the Dolphine, the high flying Dolphins coming off with seventy
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  Speaker 3: points and all that other fanfare, and he shut him
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  Speaker 3: down and he had a plan for him that day,
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  Speaker 3: and it was really.
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  Speaker 2: Quite impressive, to be honest with him, and we gave him.
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  Speaker 3: As flowers and all that type of stuff last season,
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  Speaker 3: with that performance on the defensive side of the football. Now,
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  Speaker 3: as we transitioned DT, there's a new sheriff in town,
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  Speaker 3: or we least think so so for Bill's.
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  Speaker 2: Mafia that is not aware.
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  Speaker 3: Bobby Babbage, the former secondary coach, his dad was a
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  Speaker 3: linebacker coach here in Buffalo for a number of years.
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  Speaker 3: Bobby Babbage junior, he is going to be taking over
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  Speaker 3: for Sean McDermott on the defensive side of the ball,
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  Speaker 3: at least we think. I know then when bmig dermott
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  Speaker 3: was asked at the beginning of training camp, he really
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to say if Bobby Badgots was actually gonna
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  Speaker 3: be calling plays. I know that Babbage had some interviews
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  Speaker 3: as well that we talked about during the off season.
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  Speaker 3: Cycle for the head coaching cycles and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: Coordinators are no different, and I know that he got
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  Speaker 3: some attention, you know, DT from other teams.
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  Speaker 2: So I would lean towards the fact that I.
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  Speaker 3: Would just assume that if he didn't take a promotion
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  Speaker 3: somewhere else and he stayed here in Buffalo, that's because
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  Speaker 3: he's going to take that promotion and get a chance
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  Speaker 3: to call plays. Obviously we could be wrong and maybe
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  Speaker 3: McDermott keeps the coaching play calling duties, but I think
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  Speaker 3: that in order to convince Bobby to come back and
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  Speaker 3: be a part of this thing again was that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you're not just going to give me a promotion in name,
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna let me kind of call this thing and
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  Speaker 3: give me an opportunity to you know, to cut my teeth,
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  Speaker 3: so to speak. And I think that that's the way
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  Speaker 3: that McDermott is leaning, and it might just be a
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  Speaker 3: situation where he doesn't want to put too much pressure
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  Speaker 3: because it's preseason, so kind of just keep it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: close to the best right now.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good thing, right. I mean McDermott as one
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  Speaker 1: of our biggest criticisms our whole time on Nicol City
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  Speaker 1: Crew has been, you know, the stubbornness in my way
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  Speaker 1: or the highway. And we talked a little last week
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  Speaker 1: about maybe that's changing a little bit and he's growing
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  Speaker 1: as a coach and a person, But I still don't
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  Speaker 1: think he just bringing somebody in that he doesn't trust
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  Speaker 1: and you know, isn't going to do the job for him. Right, So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with legendary defensive coach and Leslie Frazier. There was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of some back and forth after thirteen
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  Speaker 1: seconds and this and that and who's going to call
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  Speaker 1: the defense? And then McDermott took play calling away from
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  Speaker 1: him and he said them out. And so for Bobby
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  Speaker 1: Davitch and yet kind of young up and comer with
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  Speaker 1: a lot of potential, probably will be a head coach
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  Speaker 1: in the league someday to come in and be our
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  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Like you said, he's not you know, he's
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  Speaker 1: not just doing it to do it. I think McDermott
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  Speaker 1: trust him and it's going to give him the reins
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  Speaker 1: to do that, because he wouldn't be around it if McDermott,
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  Speaker 1: you know, was taken back to defense and doing his
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  Speaker 1: we said hiding behind that shield, hide and behind that
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  Speaker 1: shield with Leslie Fraser and then he was out and
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  Speaker 1: McDermott had nowhere to hide. Last year and had a
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  Speaker 1: pretty damn good and had a pretty damn good defensive year,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with all the injuries they accrued and the
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  Speaker 1: way they were able to keep in games. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: a couple them down to it. A lot of the
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  Speaker 1: times Josh Allen left the field with the lead or
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  Speaker 1: a tie, and they ended up losing those games. But
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  Speaker 1: you know that's with the players on the team, especially
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  Speaker 1: in the in the playoffs, you know, practice squad players
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  Speaker 1: out there for the most part in a lot of areas.
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  Speaker 1: And mcderm was ablehold true. So for him, they the
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  Speaker 1: passing torch. And I don't think Bobby Babbit is here
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  Speaker 1: just in name, just a fun like this. Dude's gonna
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  Speaker 1: have the title, he's gonna call the plays and you know,
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  Speaker 1: and and that shows McDermott and being trust him, uh
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  Speaker 1: to do that or you know, they're they're they're too
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  Speaker 1: old school enough where they wouldn't be doing an experiment
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  Speaker 1: right now, right So this this is if they didn't
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  Speaker 1: trust him, they wouldn't be here. And Bobby Babbite, you
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  Speaker 1: know rightfully so was probably not going to be here
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  Speaker 1: if he didn't have those type opportunities to go with. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we take it as a good thing and and bring
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  Speaker 1: that juice. I like Bobby Babbit V I mean, the Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: all we've seen so far is just the juice he's
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  Speaker 1: bringing a practice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got that.
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  Speaker 1: Just that stereotypical defensive kind of raspy voice, to him,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, and he's out there yelling and it's
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  Speaker 1: and it's not like, you know, corny excitement. It's more
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  Speaker 1: like getting your ass type of excitement.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: He seems genuine, He seems real, you know, and I
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  Speaker 3: think the players probably react well to that.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: One of the things that I thought about it when
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  Speaker 3: his first press covers, I was like, I said it
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  Speaker 3: over on Nichola Cindhy Crid, I was like, man, I
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  Speaker 3: will run through a wall for Bobby b Like, I
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  Speaker 3: just he got my juices flowing. Is just exactly what
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  Speaker 3: you're talking about. So I think that he's a motivator.
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  Speaker 3: I think that the players definitely seem like they respond
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  Speaker 3: to him, and I think that that can't be a
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  Speaker 3: bad thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: One of the things that I noticed was that this
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  Speaker 3: you know, they were even talking about on WGR earlier,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in the week, was like the staff seems
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  Speaker 3: to be just younger and younger and younger in respects
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  Speaker 3: to Joe Brady on the offensive side of the football
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  Speaker 3: and then now Bobby Babache on the defensive side of
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  Speaker 3: the ball.
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  Speaker 2: And that can't be a bad thing.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it seems like Brandon Bean has has and
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  Speaker 3: obviously Sean McDermott as well, had had a concerted effort
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  Speaker 3: to kind of bring some youth in, bring some new
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  Speaker 3: energy in, which means new ideas as well. And I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if that necessarily could be a bad thing,
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  Speaker 3: because sometimes things get stale, and what is the main
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  Speaker 3: thing that all coaches try to fight against is that
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  Speaker 3: their their message gets stale and in locker room it
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  Speaker 3: starts to turn into the peanut club, and it's the
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  Speaker 3: peanut teacher. Won't wanh wanh want anytime you get a
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  Speaker 3: chance to get some young talent in there, whether it's
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  Speaker 3: you know, football talent for the players or whether it
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  Speaker 3: be talent for the coaching staff. I don't think that
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  Speaker 3: is something that's a bad thing DT. I'm I'm actually
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  Speaker 3: all forward. I like these young cats coming in here
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  Speaker 3: and trying to put their mark on this whole thing,
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  Speaker 3: and that's not a bad thing for me.
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  Speaker 2: I look at it as a positive.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what did we just do with a complete almost
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  Speaker 1: roster overhaul and made it younger, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 1: reset the market and put you know, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the older, older players you know on our team are
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  Speaker 1: gone and in with the new and kind of the
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  Speaker 1: new regime and getting younger, getting cheaper, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: look what just happened to Bill Belichick and the Patriots.
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  Speaker 1: One of the greatest coaches of all time, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: all those Super Bowls and he what was the biggest
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  Speaker 1: knock on him lately? He wasn't progressive. He wasn't you know,
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  Speaker 1: get he didn't get used to the new younger age
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  Speaker 1: of the way things are. He was just old school
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  Speaker 1: and and and couldn't keep up because of it. And
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  Speaker 1: so you have to have a younger staff to kind
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  Speaker 1: of keep up with with who you're bringing You're bringing
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  Speaker 1: in the younger players, right, You've got to have that
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  Speaker 1: kind of younger staff to keep up with the Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: these kids, if you will, I mean, I mean, we're
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  Speaker 1: over we can say it.
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  Speaker 2: I know what.
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  Speaker 1: Some of these kids, if you will, don't respond well
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  Speaker 1: to that hard nose, old school type stuff. So you
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  Speaker 1: know they need some young swaggering them to have some
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's just a human nature, right, You want
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  Speaker 1: something that's similar to you, something that's relatable to you.
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  Speaker 1: That's how you can perform your best. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: in our job probably the same way. So that's I
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  Speaker 1: think it's a whole kind of facelift for this team
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  Speaker 1: of you know, the botox of the Bills.
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  Speaker 2: I like that. I like that.
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  Speaker 1: I like that the Bills, you know, the wrinkles, get
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  Speaker 1: rid of those wrinkles.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, are young, and so is the stat That's funny.
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  Speaker 2: I like that a lot. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out to Bill's Bafia. Over four hundred people already,
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  Speaker 3: DT h tuning in. We again really appreciate your support
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  Speaker 3: and stuff like that on all the different platforms. I
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  Speaker 3: know that everybody's getting ready to enjoy the blue and
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  Speaker 3: red practice, like DT talked about. I know that they'll
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  Speaker 3: be down there at one Bills Drive at the stadium
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  Speaker 3: for a little bit longer for those of you are
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  Speaker 3: there so enjoy it. Josh Allen came out with the
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  Speaker 3: black helmet tonight. I know that we had talked about
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  Speaker 3: how that's been coming along yearly. I think he had
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  Speaker 3: a red one one year, that mirror one that everybody loved,
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  Speaker 3: and then a blue one that had some mixed reviews.
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  Speaker 3: But this one was hot. They had a black helmet.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I wore my black hat tonight in honor that.
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  Speaker 3: It was the old school standing buffalo that always pulls
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  Speaker 3: on my heart strings because I love that standing Buffalo logo.
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  Speaker 2: So enjoy yourselves out there, be safe this weekend. I
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  Speaker 2: like that. I like that helmet though, that was that
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  Speaker 2: was where Where's that?
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  Speaker 1: Where's that been? The Standing Buffalo hasn't been in the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: I mean maybe they at least, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, at least a game or two a year. Along
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  Speaker 1: with the color Rush red ones, they would have the
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  Speaker 1: Standing Buffalo classics. I mean, it was a uniform combo
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  Speaker 1: you could put on Madden, you know, for a while,
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  Speaker 1: because it was the it was what they were to
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  Speaker 1: throw that ni Little made like Nike made the new
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  Speaker 1: like they were classics, but it was a Nike version.
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  Speaker 1: It was newer. And the standing Buffaloes hot, man, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what with them if they did it, obviously they probably
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  Speaker 1: they're not going to do this right, but if they
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  Speaker 1: did do the black what Jersey combo would be your favorite?
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  Speaker 1: With that? With that black helmet? Well, I mean with
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  Speaker 1: the reds or would you the white of the book?
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  Speaker 3: Oh man, No, with those reds would just look sick.
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  Speaker 3: It would just make it look they would make it pop,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? If you had a chance
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  Speaker 3: to put the black helmet on there. It would make
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  Speaker 3: a pop.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. I would really enjoy something like that.
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  Speaker 1: So, so what's good with the alternate? You know all
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  Speaker 1: these other with all the with all these throwbacks and
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  Speaker 1: and selling in last year? You know the Eagles with
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  Speaker 1: the Kelly Green when they beat us in overtime, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what is the nineties? The nineties blue with the red helmet?
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  Speaker 3: I think, man shout out, shout out, shout out man,
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  Speaker 3: Buffalo fan base, shout out to to swanking those guys
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  Speaker 3: over there at the k Gun Report, you know those
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  Speaker 3: guys in the Finger Lakes, and we had them on
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  Speaker 3: the show, and we're going to be on there were
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  Speaker 3: on their show. They had a nice little helmet debate
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  Speaker 3: recently and it was a good little debate about where.
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  Speaker 2: It's going on.
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  Speaker 3: And then Andre Reid, if you chipped in on Facebook
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  Speaker 3: and was asking about it. I mean, those for me personally,
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  Speaker 3: it's just, you know, that's just my nostalgia just right
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  Speaker 3: behind me. There's nothing better than those nineties uniforms for
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  Speaker 3: me because that's when I fell in love with the
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  Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills. So I would love to see those behind
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  Speaker 3: me come back. I mean, just just the way that
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  Speaker 3: that blue would pop. I know that a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people used to think that it looked a lot like
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  Speaker 3: the Giants, but it was still lighter than the Giants blue.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't navy.
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  Speaker 3: It popped, and you see Thurman right behind me, and
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  Speaker 3: just that whole uniform combo.
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  Speaker 2: I just want. I want the red helmet.
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  Speaker 3: I want that jersey back with the white pants and
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  Speaker 3: that I just I don't know, man, this that combo.
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  Speaker 2: It speaks to me.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously that's because of the fact that that's what I
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  Speaker 3: fell in love with.
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  Speaker 2: I would never.
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  Speaker 3: Bring back those you know, those hin horrendous what were
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  Speaker 3: those I don't even know what they call those shoulder.
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  Speaker 2: Pad ones in the nineties.
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  Speaker 3: That just let some ward over those regards to me
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  Speaker 3: or whatever the case may be. I love the throwbacks
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  Speaker 3: like you talked about. I would play with those in
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  Speaker 3: Madden as well, with the standing Buffalo, especially when Nike
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: put those on. I like those throwbacks from the nineteen sixties.
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: But for me, man, I mean, I don't know, we
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: got to catch up with the times. I know somebody
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: had said the new Buffalo Bill's president or whatever, the
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: bills and Sabers was on WGR and he said that
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: type of stuff takes some years of planning. But man,
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: you can't throw together of this red helmet and just
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: go ahead on and get the striking the right way
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: and just get this thing out there.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the hold up is.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: The economic bo I mean, everybody you and I are
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: would definitely get one that would be hot, you know,
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: probably boom and yeah, I mean pop in with the
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: you know where one one game. I mean they just
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: have got been real stingy. They wear red game. They
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: used to do multiple red games. They used to have
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: the standing buffalo. Now it's it's it's all standy, all
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: business call them.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: I love it well.
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: As we transition DT, I was defense tonight and I
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: wanted to push back on something that you had sent
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: us in our notes, and I wanted to know or
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: at least for.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: You to elaborate a little bit more on it.
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: You had talked about how Sean McDermott has shown that
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: it really doesn't matter who's out there now to a
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: certain degree, I have to agree with you again. We
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: got to give hus flowers and give us on the
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: words due. He has done well with injuries and and
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: finding a way to put the pieces together and different
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: things like that, and in pressure situations. However, obviously it
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: all came to it had just too many injuries against
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: the Chiefs and just too much to really overcome with
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: those linebacker injuries, and you got baalinspector out there and
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: climb off the couch and all this other shit that
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: we should not even have been in the situation to
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: do that if you had Bernard healthy, and obviously if
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: we had Melanos. So I know that there's a limit
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: to what he can do with the injured players, but
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: put just elaborate on what you feel when you say
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: that anybody could be back there. We have seen a
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: rotation across from Trey White, now who's in LA with
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: you know, Levi Wallace and all the other guys opposite him,
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: And it just seemed like every year he would just
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: figure it out and then Okay, let's bring lee by
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: Wallace back, or let's bring this guy in what the
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: case may be safety.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: The same thing for backups for Hide and Pourrier.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: It was always you know, Dean Marlow's and other guys
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: coming in and familiar with the system, and it just
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: seemed to work. Talk to me about Sean McDermott of
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: what you meant by that statement that anybody on that
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: defense could just kind of get it done because I
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: like it, but.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: I wanted to push back on it a little bit.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Sure. I mean, well, a couple of years ago when
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: we had the healthy you know, the the healthy corps, right,
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: the player, the high the Tradavious White, you know, defensive
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: back corps. And when I say anybody, it's because he
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: kind of brought in that rotational defensive front, right, there'd
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: be different guys going in all game, every game, and
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: we're going nine to ten deep on the defensive front
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: in there, right, So that is kind of how it
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: started with anybody on the field could be successful. Ben
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: don't break. They've never been a great pressure team, you know,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: by anything. And that's the Bills in general, other than
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Bruce Smith in a little bit with Mario Williams, have
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: never been a good have never been a good pressure team.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: So that's that's that's the thing we're dealing with. But
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: the good enough, the Ben don't break mentality and that
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: rotation of anybody on the field can do it with
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: that base in the back. The last couple of years.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: The base in the back is kind of that's been
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: on the rotating base just as much as the as
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: the defensive front has been. And they've still been, you know,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: relatively in the top ten, top five of games playing
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: when offenses are better than they've ever been and we're
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: playing the first place schedule, going up against Joe Burrow
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Mahomes Herbert to every week. You know, you've got a
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: world class quarterback you're going against with weapons, you know,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: galore on the other side, and it just seems like
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: we're never getting cut up too bad. So my thought
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: there it started like anybody on the rotational basis, but
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: then it turned to literally anybody when people started going
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: out with injuries and you know, throwing people in there
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: and losing all pros left and right and still being
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: able to make it happen. So that's where I kind
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: of you know, the not so much injuries in the beginning,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: but definitely injuries as of late, and both situations they've
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: been able to hope.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: True. Yeah, it's been interesting.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: It's funny that you talked about the pass rush because
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: it seemed like, you know, that was probably the best
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: that ever looked with you know, with Von Miller before
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: he got hurt in you know, in Detown, in Motown,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: it was like, you know, wow, we finally have a
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: little bit of a pass rush to go with the
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: great secondary and it seemed like everything could come together.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: And then of course it was just our luck for
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: him to go down, but you know, because Trey White
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: was just finding a way to round back in the form,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: so it looked like, yeah, it looked like we could
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: be a complete defense. It's funny when you talk about,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: you know, some of the ways that he's been able
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: to plug and play. One thing that he hasn't had
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: to worry about is on that back end, those safeties,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, just those stalwarts. And we've already given those
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: guys their flowers and respects to hide and ployer. And
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: it's interesting because I mean, Mike Edwards can't stay on
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: the field. It missed all the spring pretty much with
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: an injury, and then gets to training camp and he's
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: out with a hamstring McDermott and it classifies him as
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: week to week. And then Cole Bishop, I guess just
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: went down and he's also been classified as week to week.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Now I know that he wasn't necessarily pushing for a
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: starter job. But it's interesting because the Bills just brought
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: into safeties. They just brought in a guy, you know,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Terrell Burgess, and then they brought in the hard hitting
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Kareem Jackson, who's been around the league it seems like
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: forever now. He's been like a dozen years of the
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: league and loves to knock people's heads off.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: But they're bringing in reinforcements.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: But lets you know that, you know, obviously even Brandon
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Bean thinks that it's a problem because you need guys
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: to go out there and practice.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: DT talk about that safety.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Room because I I think that that's been like a
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: luxury that we've kind of glossed over. And the only
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: reason that I say glossed over obviously Hide and Poyer
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: have gotten their flowers, and we love to talk about
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: how great that tandem has been seven years on the job.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: So I don't mean that we didn't recognize how great
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: they were. What I do mean, though, is that it's
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: almost like, you know, you don't really think about it
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: until they're not there, and then all of a sudden
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: they're not there, and everybody's looking around like what the fuck.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Do I do?
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: And We've never really had to go through that because
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: these last seven years they've been there, and I understand
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: that these last couple of years they've been a little
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: bit on their down on the down slope, but they
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: still I mean consistency every single week they are there
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: lined up ready to go, rarely out with injuries until
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: these last couple of years. And then just the actual
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: just high level play that we got out of Hide
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: and Poyer. Those are going to be really hard pieces
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: to replace in that respect, I'm and it's just funny
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: and ironic that all of a sudden the safety room
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: seems to be the most banged up out anybody here
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: early on a camp.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Well, my concern, Rob is, I mean a point on
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: link here we got is the Bills offensive line is
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: good without Josh Allen, probably not right. Josh Allen deodorizes them,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: you know, makes place to make them look better than
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: what they are. Not send the bed, you know. My
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: thing about the line he dedizes may probably make them
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: look better than what they are. Aaron Rodgers for years,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers for years in Green Bay had no you know,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: other finally got to Vonte Adams, but other than that
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: had really no weapons and still made that offense look good,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: you know, because he was so good, kind of deodorized
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: what it really was. Defensively, you had you know, the
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Luke Keekleys of the world on a on a Carolina
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Panthers team where you know, Sean mcderham brandab literally got
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: their jobs from that. You know, not a lot of
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: other names on there, and Luke Keakley kind of held
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: it down and made every tackle. And you see it
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh with TJ. Watton. Are these defenses not that
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: good and these superstars kind of bring them into respectable?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: And so that's the question was Micah Hyde and Jordan
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Hoyer did the open of this defense for the last
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: seven years? You know it was that the ben don't
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: break because they that would kind of hold true with
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: that the bend there the line of defense, right, so
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: they're bending until they get to the safety and and
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: they're never breaking it in the safety point. So that's
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: my question, you know, to this year's defense, to this
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: year's new age, like were they a deodorizer or is
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: it really Ken Sean McDermott really plugging anybody back there
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and be successful. Right? The positive of that is the
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: past couple of years, Hide and Ployer have kind of
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: headed down swing have kind of you know, haven't been
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: productive as they are, and we're just kind of out
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: there being in position as opposed to you know, being
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: let's they were a couple of years ago. So as
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: we talked earlier, it's a little segment we'll do tonight
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: of you know, as we go through each defensive group
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: will say, you know, one word so kind of the
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: safeties that my word for the safety is shoe fill right,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: are they shoe fillers back there? Hide and ployer or
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: hide and ployer? Were they just upper elite and deodorize
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the defense? And the bendo break turns into break a
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: few times because we don't have those bets back there.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: But you know with that that shoe phill, I really
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: had high hopes for whole cool Bishop. Hopefully this isn't
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: a long term thing, like hey see joint they're saying
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, Okay, Mike Edwards, I don't have
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: really any confidence in right, he comes in on the
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: older side, I couldn't stay on the field of the
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: spring and now has hamstring issues, Like I'm putting no
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: confidence in that Tomorrow Hamlin.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Well just.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: You know Tyler, Tyler Rapp I think had Taylor rep
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: season the last year, but again wasn't thrust into the
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: point where we needed him every play. So, uh, there's
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: some names. I mean, Karan Jackson, that the dude can
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: he can stay on the field. He got suspended. You
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: know obviously last year Lindon, we the mafia doesn't live
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: alone here. We got we got the Bronco game in here.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And I watched a lot of Broncos games last year
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: with roommate Zach, and that dude would just headhunt like
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: they didn't even have any you know, vibe for the
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: for the for the rules or anything. He got three
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: times last year and that game after he got back
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and just crushed somebody across. So I mean, hopefully McDermott
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and they're a little more disciplined and they can discipline him.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: And he's thirty six years old, so he's not gonna
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: be in every down type of guy, but you know,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: we're gonna need him to make plays. And and so
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I think shoe filling is going to be big to
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: push this point of was it hive employer being the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: deodorant or can anybody kind of be interchanged and McDermott.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: That's kind of been magnum opus of the defense is
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the safeties really and bringing the level of the safeties up.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Can they do that again this year without the you know,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: without the true names of the of the squad.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see now as we transition.
• 23:51
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• 23:53
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  Speaker 3: transition DT, you had already just kind of teased it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go through position groups and let's talk about some
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  Speaker 3: of the things that you're thinking about. Now you had
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  Speaker 3: on the defensive line. Everything starts in the trenches, and
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  Speaker 3: Sean McDermott would love to tell you that he always
• 27:47
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  Speaker 3: and the D line. You know, when we talk about
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  Speaker 3: the fact that they've got it in a rotation.
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  Speaker 2: And it just seems like it's something where they're keeping
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  Speaker 3: So when you talk about Ed Oliver, and then you've
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  Speaker 3: who seems to be looking good at camp up, you
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  Speaker 3: know again, a big time starter at Duke, a captain,
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  Speaker 3: multiple time captain, looks like he's just coming right on
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: in and fitting in. As soon as he was drafted.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: I knew that he was going to fit in. When
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: I heard some of his pre draft stuff down to
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl, I was like, that is a Sean
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: McDermott guy written all over him. The way he talks
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: the game, he's you know, like I told you he
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: was a son of a coach and stuff like that.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: So his whole family's been in football and former players.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: So I knew he was going to fit in. And
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: then when it comes to that rotation, it just seems like,
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: you know, keeping those guys fresh. It's just those are
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: the big hog. Miley's up there up front. You need
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Ed Oliver to, you know, to stay light on his feet.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: You need day day to stay light on his feet
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: because of the fact that you don't want them taking
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: sixty seventy percent of the snaps.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: If you can avoid it.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Obviously, the guy gets hot one week, then that's a
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: different situation. But for the defensive line, I would call
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: it a rotisserie, just a just moving that thing around
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: and just turning that thing around. That that would be
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: my thing called for the defensive for the least, for
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: the defensive tackles and and really for the defensive veends
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: as well, that we'll talk about. But for the DTS
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: d T I would say rotisseriy because those guys just
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: keep churning and churning and keeps everything nice and fresh
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: and glistening and looking good and staying juicy.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: And I think that I.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Haven't even dinner yet, Rob, so that might be the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, you know that based My my
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: word is clone, clone, because these are the same, These
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: dudes are all the same way. What better way to
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: have a rotation than everybody being the same, you know,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: so you're gonna get consistent results as you rotate and
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: work through I mean, as you said the starters with
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: you know, without Albert and Kwan Jones, and then you
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: go into you know that Dwayne Carter was literally looked
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: just like these dudes at Duke like looks just like
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: them as the same type of vibe, that's the same
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: type of attitude.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: And then you got.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Austin Johnson coming in who literally was roommates with the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: quant and on the Titans, and he's made a good
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: career for himself and you know, same body build, same
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: type of same type of status. You know, so this
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: whole rotation clone They're all the same, and what more
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: do you want in a rotation than having the same.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: So it's not a downfall. And I mean there's positives
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: to that too, right, shown show them a little bit different,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: show them a little bit different, but at least you
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: have consistency with them all being very similar body types,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: all very similar players, and and I think with that
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: that's also going to bring out the best. It's you know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the whole team that they're brothers, right, They're all they're
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: all together as brothers, but I think they have a
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: little separate you know connection being on the defensive line,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: and these dudes are very close obviously, you know Day
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Day and Austin Johnson go back by now at Oliver
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: is kind of, you know, the leader in this team
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: in those regards, and Dwayne Carter's is coming in to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: be needs leadership and needs his big brothers to kind
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: of lead them there. So I think it's a very
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: close knit group. And I like Rotistrick and the clones
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: are Rotistrick, So that.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Like the on the DT line, I like that.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Now when it comes to the defensive ends, you know, DT,
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: you know, looking at this, you know Bobby Babbage has
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: got a has got to do something that nobody has
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: really been able to do, and that's get consistent pass
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: rusher and pressure. And it's really, like I said, it's
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: been a point of laboring since you know, Von Miller
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: has gone down. You've got options. You've got you know,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: guys with pedigree, or at least it seems like on paper.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, we've got Rousseau who was a first round pick,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: still waiting for him to flash. I mean, he's been
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: okay and he's been solid, but nothing just nothing that
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: that jumps off the page. You've got a j Epanessa
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: who's you know it, He's just he's okay, you know
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: what I mean. He had a great year, his best
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: you know year as a pro last year, and he
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: needed that. He was in a contract year. They reward
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: him with a small contract. It was a team friendly
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: one and he signs back up to come back to
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Buffalo and so obviously we're happy to have him back
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: in that respect, but again, just a just a guy. Nothing,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: you know, nothing crazy, nothing too flashy. On the other side,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: we've got von Miller, obviously, who were wondering if he's
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: gonna be able to get back into form. Obviously he's
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: been out there at practice without the brace. Hopefully that's
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: a mental thing whereas you know, he's not thinking about
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: his knee anymore and he's just kind of being confident
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: in it and knowing that, you know, listen, I can
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: make the cuts, I can do all the different things
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: that I need to do to get around that edge,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: because that was really you know, vintage von Miller from Denver,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: and even that year with the Rams when he's winning
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, is that like, that's von Miller's that
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: dip getting down underneath those you know, those big tackles
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden he's wrapping your quarterback up.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: And then we've got you know, Javon Solomon, who's a
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: rookie led the NCAA in sacks last year for Troy
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: seems to be an intriguing prospect and some other guys
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: For depth.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's no shortage of options DT. So
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: what I would say is, you know, this is the
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: eminem group. This is the who's going you know, who's
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: the who's the real slim shady? Is somebody stepping up,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: who's stand like, please stand up? Please, stand up like,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: we really do need a pass rush because what it does,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: and everybody knows it. You know, in respects of Bill's moffet,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: we all have watched football long enough. If you affect
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: the quarterback, that's why those guys get paid so much money.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Who are the highest paid players on the field. You
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: start with the quarterback. After that, Now it seems the
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: wide receivers are getting paid a bunch of money, but
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: it really is those left tackles, those right tackles, and
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: then it's it's those defensive ends. Man, if you can
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: affect the quarterback, take him off his spot, fuck up
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: his rhythm where he's you know, one two, three step
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden he's got somebody in
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: his face. It really does mess up the entire game.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Playing for an offense. I mean, those guys are literal
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: game changers.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Well, Joe Montana said it. He said that the game
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: of football is very simple. The way to win is
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: is to is to get to the other team's quarterback.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, and you see it every in history, all
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: throughout the greats. The only way the greats have fallen
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: is when there they're got to right when on his
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: come up when when the when the Broncos got him
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: in the NC Championships games, a bunch of those times.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: When the Giants Mahomes Mahomes.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, we got with the sack.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: With tucks and that little NASCAR package. Yep, yep.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And then you go, you know to more recent years
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: of Mahomes playing Brady and in the Bucks and what
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: do the Bucks do in that one? They were all
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: over Mahomes and he had no room and and and
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: it cost him a Super Bowl because they couldn't get
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: anything done. So it is crucial and down the stretch,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you know, that's what we need to win down the stretch.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: That's why we brought in von Miller. So you talk
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: about von Miller, somebody who's going to go down as
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: one of the best pass rushers in the history of
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the NFL. He talks about this year counting, you know,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: sacks to be in the top ten of sacks all
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: time this year. He goes exactly what he's got to
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: get to to do that. You know, you have that,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: you have Gregors, who's a first first round pick, who's
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: gonna be lucky to have an over eighty rating in
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Maaden this year. You know, I'm not not that bad dude,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: but like the public eye, the public eye doesn't think
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: you're an eighty or above in your first round pick.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And you know Ajfines's like you said, is is a
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: good role pill. So my word for the defensive piss
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: The defensive end is pissed like von Miller should be.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: This is disrespectful. I'm one of the best defensive ends
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: in the history of the league. Yes, last year was
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: a wash, completely, shouldn't have played, whatever the case. But
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you got to come out there and if you're playing
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: on this team, you think you're still top top pass
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: rusher in the history. So you know that that he's
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: got that chip on his shoulder. Gregor's so a first
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: round pick that is treated like a fourth or fifth
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: round pick, you know, and only flashes agreement. So I
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: think in the upper level of this defensive end group,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: pissed is the word for me, Like, play with that
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: chip on your shoulder you have. You've been completely disrespected.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Now get to the quarterback with some with some tanasty toal.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I love it, I love it. I like that be pissed.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Play with that chip, that little edge you know. For
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: for guys like Rousseau. I'm what you know, he gets
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: off the bus and that motherfucker looks like he plays football,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He looks like he's you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: the All Bus team. You know, he looks like godly
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: this how big is he?
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Sixty six?
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: And then they call him groop when he first got here,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: and like all that type of stuff was fun. Now
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I need you to kind of just flash. I need
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: you to flash man. I need your first round pick.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I need you you want that fifth year option picked up,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: which you got it picked up. But now you're playing
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: for another contract, you know what I mean, You've gotta
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: You've got to pick this thing up.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: And then they got bailed out with Leonard Ford last year.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: They got bailed out because they weren't expecting that they
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: would have been exposed. They would have been exposed of
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: being being you know, Jags, just guy, just a guy.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Guy would have been exposed all the way across. So yeah,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: there there's talent there. I think you gotta play with
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the chip on your shoulder. I like the young guy Solomon.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I hope he makes the team and really, you know,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: is productive for us and pushes up and that's gonna
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: be better. And you know, you see all these dudes
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: at the at the Von Miller Sacks Summit, you know,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: and and ready to go and like and and and
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: guys like no disrespect to some other pass rushers in
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: the league, but guys like Max Crosby and you know,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: these these cats that like they're good, but are they
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: really like leaders and gamers on teams? Like I don't know.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: That's a different story for a different different for a
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: different time.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: But like I like that, likes not hard.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: To be good in this league, but like, come on,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: like if you, like you said, all bust team, Greg
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Russol like calling you out, Like if you be as
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: good as Max Cronsby, come on. So that's that's where
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I'm at. Play piss, get after it. You're gonna have
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: to down the stretch to win, and that's you got
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: to get to my homes. That it all comes down
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: to that, right Rob.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: So golly, don't even get me started.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: As we transitioned to linebackers DT, it's funny because you
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: know when you look at this, you know, like last
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: year was just almost a situation where you know, it
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: was like, man, what could have been?
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: You know, and you're just looking at it like, man,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: what could have been?
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Because nobody saw Terre Bernard flashing onto the scene like that.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I know, the entire offseason before we were talking shit
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: about you know, Dreads and and Tremaine Evins and we're
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: making the jokes and stuff like that. I know we
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: have big mic on from not your average podcast in
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: the seven one sixth, and we enjoyed his time and
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: stuff like that. And that's really what the off season
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: was about. When it comes to the linebacker court, last
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: year was who's going to replace Tremaine? And who's going
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: to replace Tremaine? And now we're really gonna miss him. Nobody,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: I don't care who you were. You did not think
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: that that. You know, that young kid out of Baylor
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: was going to come in here and set everything on
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: fire and he and he really has. Terre Bernard has
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: been a pleasant surprise because I didn't see it coming.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I know so many of you in Bill's mafia did
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: not either.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: And now he's a household in respects to he's got
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: an opportunity to take that next step where he is
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: a household name.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: When you talk about off ball linebackers.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Obviously you've got Matt Mlonald all pro looking to come
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: back from that injury, looking for him to get back
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: in his kind of his bag, so to speak, DT,
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: what do you think about the linebacker court, because I
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: know that they've got some depth with with Moro, They've
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: got you know, Ulash Foshio as a rookie and stuff
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: like that, so we should be good on special teams
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: and things like that. I would look at it as just,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: you know, just it's the mass units. That's the unit
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: that we need to stay healthy. These are the guys,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: you know, it's the mass unit. We need those guys
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: to stay healthy. Because last year Kansas City, you and
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: I were there epic tailgate and then you get in
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: that game and it's just like, man, No, I don't
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: know if we would have won with Milano and Tero Bernard,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: but I do know that those guys would have given
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: us a better opportunity than game was close anyway. So
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: you have to be able to at least give some
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: credence to the fact that this was this was a
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: really important position group for those guys last year, and
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: it looked like it when we didn't have them.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Coming back to Robernard and wants to really make us
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: statement in year two, we kind of had the flash
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: and needs to show people he wasn't a flash in
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: the pan. You know, he wasn't a fluke. He wasn't
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: just good because Matt mollonad wasn't in there. He's a strong,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: you know linebacker.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: So yeah, they were making play together, Matt.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Milana, Matt millanam you know, coming back when and obviously,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: as you've seen our history isn't isn't good with that
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: right Rob with Trdavius White, never really himself and then
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: gets right when he was about to be himself again,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: gets injured again Von Miller whatever that was last year,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: you know, come up injuries. So you hope maybe third
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: times to charmim here Matt Milano and and he comes
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: back powerful and to the all pro level. You know,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: we know he can be. And then you look deeper
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: into the bail Inspectors and the you know, the h
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Williams and national title appearance Washington Huskies. You know. So
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I think the word I'm going with for the Linebacking
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Corps is speed. I think you know they gon be
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: lying around this year. They want to Bobby Babbage, you know,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: he wants to get these boys moving around and kind
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: of get all the negativity of the injury and the
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: lax daisical speed. You have Terrell Bernard who needs the
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: speed because he's not going to a bigger, bigger guy
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: and not going to overpower you. Matt Mullano, I think
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: needs the speed to show that he's you know, isn't
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: lost the step and he's back people go. Dorian Williams
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: kind of showed us that that was his thing last year.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: It might have been in the completely wrong, but he
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: got there.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: We can.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm going with this year. Like speed,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: not necessarily just like straight up like run the forty speed,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: but the like just fly around his linebacking cor and
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: and roll around and the hits will come, you know,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: the hits. The hits will come with that. But I
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: think that the speed is going to gain confidence to
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: this linebacking corps and the and that's what we truly need.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I mean confidence might have been a better word, but
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: they're not confident yet. They need the speed to be confident.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's interesting. I like that word. It's going
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: to be interesting. Unit.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Like I said, you know before you know, before the
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Milano injury in London. I mean they were making they
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: were both making plays together, and they were looking like
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: some of the best tandem linebackers in the league. And
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: then obviously everything kind of just went off the rails
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: when Milano goes down. Obviously Bernard continued that great play,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: but like you said, I would love to just make
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: sure that it was you know, I sometimes I get
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: nervous when it's just one year and you know, if
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: you're a Green Bay Packers fan, you know, yes, sure
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: you found your quarterback and that feels great. But god damn,
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: like he only did it for like one, you know,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: one season, and then same thing with the Houston Texas, like,
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: oh man, we got this guy.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: He gonna be the shit.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, like I just sometimes I just
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: get nervous, Like, man, I just haven't seen it.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if I can count on it yet.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: But yesterro Bernard was a breath of fresh air for
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: that linebacker room and for Bill's mafia. So we enjoyed
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: watching him. Hopefully he can back it up this year
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: with another great performance. Now as we transition and look
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: at the cornerbacks DT, as we moved to that secondary
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: I know we touched on the safeties a little bit,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: but the cornerback room is it's funny because I mean,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: you had talked about it earlier about right, and it
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: seems like word out of camp that like kyer Elam
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: is pissed with all the disrespect and you know, the
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: trade rumors last year and different things like that. I
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: don't think they were ever seriously considering trading him because
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: you always need depth at that position because things can
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: happen so quickly, a turn of an ankle or something
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: like that with a cornerback, and then all of a sudden,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: you know you need bodies, let alone trading Bobby. So
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: they invested in this guy. I never thought that they
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: were going to trade him last year. But man, word
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: out of camp is that he is playing. He's bawling,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: whether it's to take Bernard Benford's position or whether it's
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: just to be a supplement or like I just said,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: injuries happen and things like that. Give the Bills more confidence,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Bobby Babbage, Sean McDermott more confidence is that something happens.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: They don't have to worry about going outside the organization.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: They've got the answer right there in the house. I
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: don't know how it's all gonna shake out, but I
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: do know that man Kye or Elam seems to be
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: making place now. Every fucking receiver hates him on the
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: bills because of that. They call him ansy, and everybody's
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: always talking about how he should be getting more penalty
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that when they have the refs there
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: to call practices. But hey man, if the ref doesn't
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: call it, then it doesn't matter, you know what I mean.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: I always think about those legional MoveOn defenses in DT
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: where you know, Richard Sherman and Cam Chance of those
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: guys were handsy, But if the refs weren't calling it,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: then hey man, that's just good coverage. So I don't
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: really I don't get too caught up on the fact
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: that he's handsy.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: It's just that the refs are in the mood to
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: call it that day or not.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: But I would have to I would be remiss and
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: be lying if I didn't tell you that I have been.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I'm happy to see when the guy catches some shit
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: and then he responds, and it seems like this training camp,
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Kyrie Helum's like fuck that I'm a first round pick.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: I know I can play this defense and for whatever reason,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: he wasn't doing you know, in the right positions or
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: whatever the case may be last year. But it seems
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: like it's starting to click and he might he might
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: put some heat on Christian Benford, who knows.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is a this is a group
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: that gives me confidence because we hornor had Andre Davius
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: White for so long. Right, it's just a brick, a
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: solid part. You know, we're good. He's locked down. We
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: don't have to worry about it that he leaves and
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: there's paying, there's panic when he's when he's hurt and
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: he's leading in and it really never we never got cooked,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: you know that, Ben don't break. We never got cooked.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Some games that looked like it, like, you know, even
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: last year. You can the London game. I mean, Calvin
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Ridley was dotting up Kyiryland whatever. But then they threw
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: for like two hundred and seventy yards. You know, it
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't like it wasn't like he threw for five hundred
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: in the Pittsburgh game. It looked like he was going
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: to get caught up all day, and then he has
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: that beautiful pick in the playoffs there to kind of
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: get it back. So he's playing definitely with a chip
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: on his shoulder. I think Rasul Douglas has to come
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: back in and stay leveled up, uh, kind of be
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: like we kind of just threw that ship up that like,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: oh hopefully you're a one. And he came in it
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: was a strong one, you know, play last year, so
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: you know, that was an investment that was worth it.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: And Christian Benford, you know, from the depths of Division
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: one Double.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: A football, Yeah, yeah, you know.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Coming into you know, and and and has played strong
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: in his reps. And again, nobody's perfect, but the team
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: it doesn't kind of as Tredavious White, it's kind of
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: had that method of it doesn't matter who's back there.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: It's kind of okay, nobody's locked down, but nobody's getting
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: you know, completely cooked. And then you got Taron Johnson,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: one of the best you know, slot slot corners of
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: the game, and you know, and and not afraid to
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: hit and be in there. And obviously health is going
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: to be a big issue across the board. At cornerback,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I think that's where we're the thinnest a little bit
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: when it gets you know, when it gets starts to
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: get if one one guy goes out and then you got,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: it gets real thin if one guy goes out there.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm looking forward to this. I I hope
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Kyrly starts stepping in and playing tough and give it
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: to him and Christian Medford or going back and forward
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: for that role and Rauchull Douglas kind of locks it
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: down on the other side. But the beauty of it is,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: we don't play a ton of men, right Rob, So
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: it's not like your dudes are gonna be on islands
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: all the time. Stick your zone, stick to your area,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: be athletic in that area, watch the quarterback out and
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: make play. So that I think makes up for some
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: talent that we might not have per se, you know,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: when it comes to the scheme, When it comes to scheme,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: the scheme of the zone. So that's that's my that's
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: my word for the quarterback crew zone. Keep them nobody, nobody.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I'm confident one won on one with one of these
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: superstar wide receivers, but I'm confident as a unit that
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: they can stick to their assignments and make plays back there.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Interesting, I like that, you know, Yeah, I mean you better. Yeah,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: play that zone and keep your eyes on the quarterback.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: I would say eyes, you know, eyes and feet, eyes,
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: feet and hips, you know, keep those hips loose. And
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: then let's see these guys try to make some places
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: because you know, Benford has been a pleasant surprise and obviously,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: like you talked about from Villanova, the seventh round pick,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: you never expect anything out of it.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: And it's just so funny and ironic how.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: They just flip that draft class with those guys, flip
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: and and and it just speaks to the fact that
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: that's why I really love sports, to be honest, Dts
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: that it's the it's the ultimate meritocracy. I get what
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: I earn, you know what I mean, there's nothing that
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: has to be given. You know, Kyrie Eland wasn't gonna
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: be given ship because it was the first round pick,
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: the same way that Benford wasn't gonna be just not
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: on the team because he was a seventh round pick. No,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: let's roll the football out, Let's get out there and
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: let's see who wants and let's see who can improve
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: their technique. So it's funny to see, you know how
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: that all worked out in previous years. And then again,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: like I said, I'm excited that Kyrie.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: And seems to have a chip on the shoulder.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: I do like those reclamation projects where you know he's
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: so young, and like why would we give up on
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: the guy? So I do like the fact that he
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: seems to be turning around. So as we transition DT,
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: I think that we covered it all. I mean, you
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: talked about the safeties as your deodorant, you know, the
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: old spice, the old spice unit back there in respects
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: to that actual scent. You know, it's interesting because when
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: I look at it, you know, what's a successful year
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: for the defense.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: It just seems like that bar has been set DT.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: From a Sean McDermott defense, I don't care necessarily if
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: it's Bobby Babbage making the play calls or if it's McDermott.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: I'm the same way that it didn't care when it
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: was Leslie Fraser because it was still McDermott's defense, it
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: was still his baby. It seems that the standard is
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: I should expect a top ten defense at worst, nothing
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: below top ten, and if we get lucky, we should
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: have a top five unit. That's just seems like the standard,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: and that has been the standard even like we've talked
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: about tonight a few times, without even a consistent pass rush,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: it really is full Marx and McDermott on his side
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: of the ball. You know, I know, I talk a
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: lot of shit about him and different things like that,
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: but I you know, when it comes to defense, it's
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: just hard for me to poke a lot of holes
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: in his game because again, that's how he got the job.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: He cuts his teeth on that side of the ball,
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: and you know, quite frankly, he's probably one of the
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: better defensive coaches in the league period. I mean, I
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: don't know too many more that I would rather have
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: other than him in respects to that side of the ball.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: So for me, a successful year DT is a top
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: it's a top ten team. I mean, I don't care
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: about the young guys in the back end. I would
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: expect excellence at least top ten type of performance. That's
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: that's what I'm looking for.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, Robed Nicol City Crew, go back a few
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: months ago and listen to the schedule release episode or
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: we break down the schedule and every week we got
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: some dudes to.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Cover rob Oh, yeah about that?
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: In a quarterback to contain and we're a top ten
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: defense with this schedule coming up, that's success.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a success.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: You know, as we get in, you know, a little
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: as we get into the offense. And actually one of
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: those one of those things I'm going to bring up
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: is the pressure on the offense is going to be more.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: They they might have to bail us out of games
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: a little more because the defense. Not so much that
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: the defense is.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Bad, It just the games are going to be closer,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: could be closer.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, and because the offenses were going to be
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: playing and putting up points and yards no matter who's
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: back there.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: So if we're a top ten defense with this schedule
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: coming up, I say, that's a hell of a success.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: And obviously another feather in the Kappa Sean McDermott and
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: really solidify him as a as a defensive GLU rule.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, he's one of the best. I mean, I
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: don't I can't really think off the top of my head.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: I love Mike Tomlin just because I like the way
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: that he communicates. I like how he you know, finds
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: that common ground with his players. We talked about coaches
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. It just seems like he's the
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: ageless one in respect of that. The players respect him.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: But I know they've got a nice little new coach
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: out there that I'm familiar with Because'm miss Michigan man.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I'm a Michigan fan. So that that guy McDonald, uh,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: you know out.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: There in Seattle from from Baltimore by way of Michigan.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: He seems to be a nice up and coming guy.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: We saw that Brandon Stanley was a fraud. I don't really,
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: I don't. I couldn't really look at too many defensive
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: coaches that I'd rather have.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Over Sew McDermott.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Now, don't get me started on the offense, and we'll
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: talk about that next week.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: But I mean, when it comes to defense, you've got
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: to give him his flowers. He is. He's a great
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: defensive mind.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: And just to speak about the quarterbacks, DT, you're absolutely right.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: As we put a bowl on tonight's episode, I just
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: brought it the schedule, I'm like, holy shit, because it's
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: just it just it doesn't seem like there's that.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: And I know that scheduling these show, that schedule of.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Release show was a good one for Nicol City crew
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: and Bill Smoffey to go back and listen to.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: But let's just listen. We'll just do quarterback.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Kyler Murray and I don't care what you really think
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: about him, but just just chew on it. Kyler Murray,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: toua Trevor Lawrence, the two time MVP, Lamar Jackson now
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: c J. Stroud who everybody sucking him off? Aaron Rodgers
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: and on his reclamation tour. Will Lovis, who's couple is
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: he Josh Allen he's dying or Josh Allen zero? Which, yeah,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Josh Shallen?
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Uh? Geno Smith back to Tua Anthony Richardson.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: What is what is that Titans game? What week?
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah? Wait one, two, three, four, five, six, seven? Yeah,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: week seven, so that's.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Week seven before you see really yeah maybe mediocre quarterback?
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: True?
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah, I mean whether whatever you think of like
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: I said, whatever you think of Aaron Rodgers and all
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: that other type of stuff in Trevor Lawrence.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: We can debate all that type of stuff.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: But again, Will Levis, Geno Smith back to Tua Anthony Richardson,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: who's a Josh Allen kind of pipe player?
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Then we got Mahomes party.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: Stafford, I mean golf, I mean, like all those just
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: the end of the season, and then obviously you got
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: maybe Drake made by that time Rogers, and then maybe
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Drake May again or Jacoby Brissett. So I mean, there's
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: not too many breathers. I counted maybe like fourteen four.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: You're like, all right, this quarterback shouldn't fuck us up today.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: Let's let's go out and get our shit done. But
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: like other than that, you better be on your your
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: you know your p's and q's. Every tea better be crossed,
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: every I better be dotted because the quarterbacks are not
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: gonna lit up this year. So it'll be interesting again.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: I think we are both in agreement. Bobby Babbage will
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: call plays. I think that that that's just a formality.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: I doubt that he stayed with some of the offers
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: that I know. Miami wanted to talk to him. A
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: couple of other teams were interested in talking to him
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: for their DC position. Most of the time, when you
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: get those those positions less it's on offense. On offense,
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: it's different. And we saw Ken Dorsey get hired in Cleveland.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: He's not calling fucking plays like Kevin Sislansky is calling plays.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: And you know, Dabel just took back over play calling
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: duty from that guy, Mike Kafka and stuff like that.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Offense is different. Those coaches are very they're very hands
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: on with their offense. That is their offense. They want
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: to call the plays. If they're going to get fired,
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: fuck that. I'm gonna get fired because I made the
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: wrong play calls, not because of you. So it's different
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: with offense. With defense, man, I think that Sean McDermott
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: knows enough about his defense that that he can just
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: let go of the reins a little bit like he
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: did with Leslie Fraser and let this guy.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Let him get a shot. Man, I like Bobby Babbage.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Let Bobby be get a shot, Let him get a shot,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: let him, let him, let him cut his teeth.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Man call up some blitzes, stuff like that.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Like we said, if they if they pull up, if
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: they pull up top ten with the schedule, we see
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: that dude's head coach next.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Year, Oh yeah, no, you'll definitely get some he'll definitely
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: get some interest if they want to go that side
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: of the football. For sure, his name will be brought
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: up because, uh, you know it's gonna be a tough one.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: So we'll see.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Listen, I really enjoyed this episode. Tonight DT the Defense
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Defense wins championships. We're gonna see what it's all about.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe next week we are going to hit you back,
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Nicol Sindaco. We will be back on our regular schedule night.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: I know, these last couple weeks we've been hitting you
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: guys on a Friday. Next week we'll be back on
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: our regular schedule night on Thursday. We've got a great
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: guest coming up next week for the offensive side of football,
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: So we'll flip the ball. We'll go to the offensive
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: side of the ball and we'll break down everything offensive line,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: running backs, wide receivers, of which is everybody's forte right now,
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: sense of you know, since the departure of a certain
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: player that I can't and then I can't mention or
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: anything like that because I got in trouble last week.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: But tight end tight end with Dalton Kincaid and and
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: and and Dawson Knox, the DK brothers. So we'll see,
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: we'll talk about everything on the offense side of the football.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Everybody Nicholson and crew knows I'm an offensive guy. I
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: throw the ball all the time on Madden. Now they
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: got the new college football game. I mean, I don't
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: I don't even need running backs. Just give me five
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: wine and let's go get this ship. Man Like, I
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: can't wait to go get it. So we'll talk offense
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: next week. We cannot wait to get back to you guys.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Hope everybody really enjoyed again the Red and Blue plactice.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: If you're actually out there the blue and Red, you're
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: still out there, so going on for about another half hour,
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: So I hope everybody enjoys. This is a really fun
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: time for the family to get out there. The kids
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: can get out there, get some autographs, things like that
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: really cool thing that the Bills do. They'll be back
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: at camp. I think it's on Sunday, DT, So we're
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: closing up camp pretty soon. But we got another week
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: or so of games, excuse me, of practices at Saint
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: John Fisher.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: So we'll continue to look at the injuries. DT. We'll
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: look and see if these guys can get back in
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: that safety room. We'll continue to watch keon Coleman.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Ke has been making some moves out there, making some
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: catches and stuff like that. So we'll continue to watch
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: the wide receivers and join us next week.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: DT. Man Hit him with the go bills, man, these
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: are my bills. Thoughts. Uh set out loud, spread love
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: out there, not hate. Hit Hit him with the God
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: bills DT. I mean it's.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Next week.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably see Caleb Williams right and both all right.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Hit him with the gold bills. Go bills, man, y'all
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: take it easy tonight. I love it extreme. No one