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DEVIL'S DEN "KILLER" SNARED AFTER MOM & DAD SLAUGHTERED PROTECTING CHILDREN FROM HIKING TRAIL KILLER, COPS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the so called Devil's Den
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Speaker 1: killer snared after a mom and dad slaughtered all the
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Speaker 1: hiking trail in front of their little girls while protecting
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Speaker 1: them from the hiking trail killer. According to police, I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Ready for goods, responders, faith for believe.
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Speaker 1: That's all. We have.
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Speaker 3: More breaking news tonight the Arkansas State Police giving us
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Speaker 3: more details of the arrest and the Devil's Den double homicide.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen from KOTV all the way, everyone.
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Speaker 4: In stands stay until pretly guilty. We did the farm
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Speaker 4: this morning than our suspects. The DNA has been a
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Speaker 4: positive match to the DNA that we suspected to belong
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Speaker 4: to our suspect at the scene.
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Speaker 1: Not just two hikers dead on a trail, a mother
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Speaker 1: and a father and the prime of their lives with
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Speaker 1: their two little girls, ages seven and nine, brutally stabbed
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Speaker 1: dead on a family hiking trail, but in the last.
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Speaker 4: Hours this Arkansas State Police special agents had arrested James
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Speaker 4: Andrew McGannon twenty eight a Spring deal. He's been charged
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Speaker 4: with two council capital murder in the distance of Clinton,
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Speaker 4: David Brink, and Kristin Amanda Brink.
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Speaker 5: If you commit a violent, senseless act here in our state,
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Speaker 5: our law enforcement will hunt you down and bring you
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Speaker 5: to justice.
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Speaker 1: That'm our friends at five News. This is what we
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Speaker 1: know right now. Straight out to Carson Holiday, joining US
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Speaker 1: investigative senior news reporter us Son. I understand the twenty
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Speaker 1: eight year old alleged double killer is a white male
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Speaker 1: teacher who was just moved to this area, and according
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Speaker 1: to reports that we're trying to corroborate right now, he
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Speaker 1: was taken off his last job as a teacher for
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Speaker 1: inappropriate conduct with girls. Oh, Dear Lord in Heaven, there
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Speaker 1: he is, and it looks just like the composite sketch.
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Speaker 1: What is that? What do we know about this guy?
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Speaker 6: Right?
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Speaker 7: So, Nancy, we know that he had just moved from
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Speaker 7: Oklahoma to Arkansas and was preparing to be a third
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Speaker 7: grade teacher at the elementary school in the area. Right
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Speaker 7: to school confirmed that, and before that he worked in Texas,
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Speaker 7: right he was a fifth grade teacher.
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Speaker 1: I believe you know, Angel lewis joining me partner Serce
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Speaker 1: Law firm, former felony prosecutor. If this is true. If
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Speaker 1: that is why he left Oklahoma and ended up here
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Speaker 1: and ended up at Devil's Dan Family hiking trail, why
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Speaker 1: in the world with the school have let it go quietly?
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Speaker 1: I just does it never And you know, hey, hey, Andrew,
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Speaker 1: listen to what an ASP investigator had to say.
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Speaker 8: We're not going to talk about his motive right now.
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Speaker 8: We're still exploring and to determine exactly what that motive was,
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Speaker 8: so it'd be a little premature for us to speak
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Speaker 8: on that tonight.
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Speaker 1: Well, Angea Lewis, I understand the Arkansas State Police investigators
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Speaker 1: caution regarding motive.
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Speaker 9: I can certainly take a very educated guest here. This
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Speaker 9: man is obviously twisted. They say, don't judge a book
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Speaker 9: by its cover, but we can tell by just looking
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Speaker 9: at his mugshot something is wrong with him. And we
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Speaker 9: know that because, as you just stated, it appears from
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Speaker 9: reports that he is someone who who has either preyed upon,
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Speaker 9: has fixated upon, or has some type of nefarious desires
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Speaker 9: towards young girls in the past. And of course he
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Speaker 9: works in a school setting. And as you know, Nancy,
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Speaker 9: that's my primary practice. I handle sex abuse cases. I've
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Speaker 9: prosecuted sex abuse cases. And now I represent the victims.
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Speaker 9: I see this a lot, and I'll tell you and
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Speaker 9: you just hit the nail on the head. The most
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Speaker 9: frustrating thing when you have someone that is preying on
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Speaker 9: children ninety nine percent of the time, that is not
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Speaker 9: an isolated incident.
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Speaker 1: These are people.
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Speaker 9: It's ingrained in their soul. And what we need to
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Speaker 9: do as a society and as a community. And always
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Speaker 9: remember if someone is acting strangely towards children, if someone
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Speaker 9: gives you the creeps, especially if someone appears to be
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Speaker 9: sexually attracted or giving unwanted attention to children, you need
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Speaker 9: to be screaming that from the rooftops. The schools need
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Speaker 9: to be coming out and telling the community, because all
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Speaker 9: they do is move to the next school or community
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Speaker 9: and cause havoc there or in this case, murder people,
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Speaker 9: likely for the sole reason of getting to the children.
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Speaker 1: Now there's a lot of speculation. Ron Bateman joining me
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Speaker 1: former sheriff and Arundel County, Maryland who investigated the murder
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Speaker 1: Onland portrayal of Rachel Moore in very similar to this case.
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Speaker 1: We were trying to determine motive. We knew, Ron Bateman,
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Speaker 1: that the little girls ran for their lives down this
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Speaker 1: rocky terrain there's Rachel Morin to get to safety. They
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Speaker 1: heard their mother screaming in the background. They said at
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Speaker 1: the time they saw their father getting stabbed and that
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Speaker 1: the mom told them to run. So, when you were
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Speaker 1: analyzing for us in the hour after the double murder,
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Speaker 1: what may have happened, the parents sent the little girls
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Speaker 1: to safety, and we talked about why would one guy
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Speaker 1: attack the husband, who is a big guy, A big guy,
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Speaker 1: all right, not that big, but really big and beefy.
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Speaker 1: Why would one guy take on the man and the woman,
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Speaker 1: the mom and the dad, And you deduced he had
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Speaker 1: tried to grab one of the little girls and the
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Speaker 1: parents were protecting them. Ron Bateman, Yeah.
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Speaker 6: It's really clear now that we know what his background is,
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Speaker 6: which absolutely pisces me off to think that a proper
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Speaker 6: background was not done on this guy before he was
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Speaker 6: hired to a school system, the third school system that
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Speaker 6: he worked at. If they would have done their due
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Speaker 6: diligence on him, they would have learned these other past
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Speaker 6: behaviors and they wouldn't have hired him. That wouldn't have
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Speaker 6: kept him from being at the trail that day, But
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Speaker 6: it's it's just unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: Why may it may have Ron Bateman, because if he's
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Speaker 1: moving from Arkansas to here, I mean, if he's moving
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Speaker 1: to Arkansas, then he came there because he was hired.
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Speaker 1: If he hadn't been hired by the school, he probably
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Speaker 1: would have been in some other state. But I don't know.
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Speaker 1: All of that is just spinning out. This is the
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Speaker 1: kind of thing we do when we prep for a trial.
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Speaker 1: We try to give the jury a motive. But isn't
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Speaker 1: it true, Carson Holiday joining us from us son? Isn't
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Speaker 1: it true that the authority said from the very beginning
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Speaker 1: the parents were slaughtered trying to quote protect the little girls.
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Speaker 1: Didn't that come out at the beginning.
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Speaker 7: Yes, in the family suideness statement that they were trying
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Speaker 7: to save the little girls. We're all weeping the trail.
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Speaker 6: Me person with me. First day he had trying to
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Speaker 6: locate the family.
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Speaker 7: You're still calling for help.
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Speaker 1: We're hiking down Therefore.
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Speaker 6: We're here before get into the lower part of the
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Speaker 6: Devil's rail. Better relate to the office. And we found
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Speaker 6: the victims down here. They're on the lower Devil's entrail.
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Speaker 1: The fact that the mother and father are stabbed dead
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Speaker 1: with the little girls running away is a huge psychological
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Speaker 1: indicator as to who the purp is. First of all,
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Speaker 1: Carson Holiday, before I go to doctor Janie Lacy, I
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Speaker 1: want to figure out how this guy was arrested. Is
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Speaker 1: it true he was slung up in a barber chair
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Speaker 1: at a salon getting his hair clipped? What he's not
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Speaker 1: even worried he's gonna get caught.
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Speaker 7: Yep, he was mid haircut when they arrested him. You know,
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Speaker 7: he drove up with the car that he escaped in
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Speaker 7: and he was mid haircut when they handcuffed him. The
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Speaker 7: barber even took a video of police.
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Speaker 1: Taking pictures of the scene. You're seeing that right now.
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Speaker 1: I believe it is Lupita Salon. Lupita Salon. This is
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Speaker 1: from Adrian Luis Avolos on Facebook, and she was afraid
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Speaker 1: and concerned. There is the alleged getaway car. It's exactly
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Speaker 1: as it was described. I got to give a big
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Speaker 1: shout out to the witnesses that I did that car. Now.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what it says to you.
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Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer. But doctor Janie Lacy joining
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Speaker 1: a psychotherapist, author of How To heal from a toxic
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Speaker 1: relationship and more, Doctor, he's not worried at all about
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Speaker 1: being apprehended. That's pretty smug, that's pretty arrogant. And I'm
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Speaker 1: also curious if he was going to get his hair shaved. Hey,
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Speaker 1: let me get the New York control room to show
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Speaker 1: you something really quickly, Doctor Janey. I want to see
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Speaker 1: the behind shot from the rear of the alleged purp
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Speaker 1: at the trail and this outfit really cue a lot
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Speaker 1: of witnesses. Doctor Johnny, there it is. Now. If you
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Speaker 1: zoom in on this, which I've done a million times,
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Speaker 1: you can see his hair coming out from under his
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Speaker 1: baseball cap. I wonder if he saw this photo that
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Speaker 1: we aired and realized his hair color and his hair
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Speaker 1: could be identified, and he was at that salon med haircut.
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Speaker 1: I wondered, was he getting his head buzzed? Was he
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Speaker 1: getting his hair up above his baseball cap? Long story short,
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Speaker 1: isn't that a tiny bit arrogant to be out slung
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Speaker 1: up in the salon's chair, just minding your own business
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Speaker 1: after a double murder and the cops are looking for you.
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Speaker 1: The ASP is nothing to be sneered at. And the
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Speaker 1: FBI was in on this thing.
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Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, you said it arrogant and confident, So if
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Speaker 10: he was going about it, I would have probably imagined
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Speaker 10: that he absolutely saw that video and thought that he
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Speaker 10: was smarter and thought that he was going to get
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Speaker 10: away with this crime. Hence the remote location with no
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Speaker 10: cell phone service, the tape on his car, and all
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Speaker 10: these other types of things, the fingerless gloves that was reported,
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Speaker 10: and then the specific clothes that you just saw that
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Speaker 10: we just saw on the screen. So he's wearing these
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Speaker 10: black clothing in the middle of the forest with the backpack.
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Speaker 10: So arrogant and confident and disconnected from the prime in
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Speaker 10: the sense that he probably believed that he was going
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Speaker 10: to get away with this crime.
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Speaker 1: Nancy to doctor Michelle Dupree joining us, you know her well.
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Speaker 1: She capable to fame during the Alex Murdog double murder trial.
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Speaker 1: That's her jurisdiction. By the way, she is the author
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Speaker 1: of Money, Mischief and Murder, the Murdog Dynasty. She's the
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Speaker 1: author of for my Purposes on the Side Investigation field
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Speaker 1: Guide and Child Abuse Investigation field Guide. Doctor dupri In
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Speaker 1: that video, if I could see that again, you see
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Speaker 1: the Arkansas State troopers gathering his hair lying there and
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Speaker 1: it's from the John Luis Avolo's Facebook. What are they
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Speaker 1: going to do with that hair? It gives me hope
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Speaker 1: there's DNA, explained Doctor dupre Nancy.
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Speaker 11: It's probably not going to be for DNA because DNA
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Speaker 11: you would need the actual hair root for that. They
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Speaker 11: may be able to find trace evidence from that if
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Speaker 11: they can match his.
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Speaker 1: Hair on mitochondrial DNA without a root. I know you
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Speaker 1: need the root for nuclear DNA, but what about mitochondrial
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Speaker 1: DNA can't you get that from a hair without a root.
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Speaker 11: You may be able to get mitochondrial DNA. Yes, yes,
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Speaker 11: but not the traditional DNA that we normally think of.
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Speaker 1: Not to go deafcom four into the analysis of DNA,
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Speaker 1: but I have handled cases myself where a mitochondrial DNA
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Speaker 1: match was made two nuclear DNA on the scene. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it comes from the mother. You still
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Speaker 1: get the DNA match. You can yes straight out to
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Speaker 1: Ron Bateman joining us the hair on the floor from
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Speaker 1: the salon. That gives me hope that there will be
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Speaker 1: a DNA match. What does that mean? That means that
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Speaker 1: the perp somehow may have left DNA at the double
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Speaker 1: murder scene. That hair is important.
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Speaker 6: Let me respond to that because I've talked about this
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Speaker 6: on other shows, transference of evidence. When you are somewhere
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Speaker 6: committing a crime, you most likely, always that makes sense,
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Speaker 6: will leave something behind, blood, hair, fingerprints, whatever, and you
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Speaker 6: will take something with you carpet, fibers, soil from the ground,
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Speaker 6: what have you. But in this case, it sounds like
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Speaker 6: and I would be all over that hair too in
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Speaker 6: the salon that most likely I would bet money that
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Speaker 6: there's hair at that scene that they're looking to link
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Speaker 6: to McGahn.
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Speaker 1: That what you're seeing right now is from Hgano Luis
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Speaker 1: Ovolos on Facebook. You just said something super interesting, Ron Bateman.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was all interesting to me because I
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Speaker 1: love crime scenes. You said the word soil. I hope,
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Speaker 1: I hope because we got a good description of this guy,
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Speaker 1: what he was wearing. I'm circled back to Carson on
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Speaker 1: that in a moment. But Ron, the soil on that scene,
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Speaker 1: he just moved here right to take his new job
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Speaker 1: at a teaching position. Scary the soil on that scene.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if they can match that back to soil,
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Speaker 1: possibly even microscopic on his clothes on his shoes. Those
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Speaker 1: parents put up the fight of a lifetime, don't you know.
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Speaker 1: They were grabbing at his hair, leaving DNA on him,
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Speaker 1: getting his DNA on them. And then the possibility of
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Speaker 1: soil from the hiking trail on his clothes.
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Speaker 6: Ron, Yeah, the app the FBI, who is providing special
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Speaker 6: resources in this case, will definitely be able to compare
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Speaker 6: that soil to soil that's found on his shoes, for example,
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Speaker 6: and putting him right on the scene.
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Speaker 1: You know another thing, Carson Holiday joining us along with
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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner from Crime Stories. Carson joining us us Son Carson.
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Speaker 1: I know this sounds crazy, right, but it's not. And
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Speaker 1: I've had other victims and witnesses tell me this so
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Speaker 1: and they're separated in time and space that they got
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Speaker 1: a quote bad vibe off the perp. Now, in this case,
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Speaker 1: I was going to come to you about what he
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Speaker 1: was wearing that stuck out like a sore thumb because
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Speaker 1: we were talking to Bateman about the shoes and the
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Speaker 1: possibility that soil samples from the hiking trail are on
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Speaker 1: his clothes. But this guy was decked out in all black,
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Speaker 1: and witnesses have stated we saw him he wouldn't even
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Speaker 1: look us in the eyes we passed him. Look at this,
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Speaker 1: it's almost one hundred degrees weather out there, Carson. Isn't
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Speaker 1: it true that one of the eyewitnesses said he gave
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Speaker 1: her a bad feeling, He put off a bad vibe
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Speaker 1: and they noticed it and I'm getting a vibb. I'm
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Speaker 1: just looking at him. But they remembered it and recounted
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Speaker 1: it to police.
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Speaker 7: Exactly, Nancy. I think, especially as women, when you walk
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Speaker 7: by a big guy like that and you know he's
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Speaker 7: just kind of pulking over in his dark clothes, it
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Speaker 7: would be impossible to not immediately get a feeling from him.
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Speaker 7: And maybe he was hurrying away from the scene, maybe
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Speaker 7: he was walking with some sort of focus. I mean,
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Speaker 7: he was stepped out in long sleeves, a black hat,
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Speaker 7: black head to toe, and he had that giant backpack on.
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Speaker 7: He just seemed disheveled and again wearing that really hot
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Speaker 7: seeming clothes in such humid Arkansas heat, it would be
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Speaker 7: weird to not spot him and to not remember him
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Speaker 7: when you were asked.
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Speaker 1: Gonna look go for a white man suspect wearing black gloves, sunglasses,
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Speaker 1: and dark colored pants and children are there.
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Speaker 3: We have more breaking news tonight the Arkansas State Police
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Speaker 3: giving us more details of the arrest in the Devil's
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Speaker 3: Den double homicide. Take a listen from KOTV.
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Speaker 8: As we began to hone in on the vehicle, it
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Speaker 8: became clear that it was a Kia Stinger, and we
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Speaker 8: use that information to vet various owners and our suspect
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Speaker 8: was identified.
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Speaker 12: Terrifying screens and calls for help are heard in Arkansas
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Speaker 12: State Park Devil's Den, prompting nearby hikers to sound to
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Speaker 12: the arm.
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Speaker 1: What authorities find shocks everyone in the last In fact,
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Speaker 1: it was announced in the night and arrest has been
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Speaker 1: made in the double homicide, the brutal knifing of a
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Speaker 1: mom and dad at Devil's Den hiking trail straight out
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Speaker 1: to Ron Bateman joining US former sheriff and Arundel County,
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Speaker 1: Maryland who exhaustively investigated the Rachel Morn murders. Very similar
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Speaker 1: to this case.
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Speaker 6: Way in so, if you go back to the picture
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Speaker 6: of the suspect from behind, you will notice what he's
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Speaker 6: wearing is not a hoodie. It's either a turtleneck, which
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Speaker 6: I don't believe it's a turtleneck. It looks like it
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Speaker 6: could be one of those full face covers that we
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Speaker 6: wear during a pandemic, or people wear all the time,
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Speaker 6: whether hunting or fishing. But that seems very unusual to me.
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Speaker 6: Do you see that at the top of his neck
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Speaker 6: that's not an article of clothing like a shirt or
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Speaker 6: a turtleneck. That could be where he could pull something
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Speaker 6: over his face and his nose and covers nose's mouth,
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Speaker 6: you know the rest of his face. And if you
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Speaker 6: see that picture there, he's mid haircut. He's not getting
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Speaker 6: a buzz cut. He's not getting all his hair shaved off.
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Speaker 6: He's too vain for that.
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Speaker 1: It looks to me like he's getting it cut, possibly
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Speaker 1: shaved up the back, but it's all above his ears.
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Speaker 1: See what's happening. And he was mid haircut, so we
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Speaker 1: don't really know what they were doing, but we know
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Speaker 1: he was getting it off of his collar and way
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Speaker 1: up Doctor Janey, Lacey joining me. Let's take a look
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Speaker 1: at what he is wearing. Doctor Janey, look at this.
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Speaker 1: I see why someone has mentioned it looks like his
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Speaker 1: got a ball of clava down around his neck. Oh
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Speaker 1: Ron Bateman said that we see that we see a
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Speaker 1: huge backpack what does he have in that and the
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Speaker 1: backpack itself is easily identifiable. I'm just wondering if they
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Speaker 1: found that backpack that matches up to this fo so
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Speaker 1: doctor Janie Lacy, the way he's dressed, I mean, it
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Speaker 1: just got to be the victims DNA all over him.
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Speaker 1: And I guarantee these items are going to be found
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Speaker 1: in his closet at his new apartment.
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Speaker 10: I would certainly hope so, Nancy, because as we're looking
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Speaker 10: at what he's wearing, that would say a lot of
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Speaker 10: Sorazi's premeditation. That he probably planned to have everything that
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Speaker 10: he needed in that bag, which will probably tell us
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Speaker 10: a lot about what he was planning when they receive
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Speaker 10: that backpack and the contents of that backpack. And I
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Speaker 10: would imagine with the parents and their instinct to save
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Speaker 10: and to protect their children, that their DNA that there's
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Speaker 10: other evidence that would be on his clothing. So to me,
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Speaker 10: that would be really important that they recover not only
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Speaker 10: that backpack, but all of his clothing that.
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Speaker 1: We see in this picture to be able to learn
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Speaker 1: a lot about.
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Speaker 10: This horrific crime and his violent behavior.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Sydney Summer joining me, Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Investigative reporter explain to us what we know right now
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Speaker 1: about the slaughter at Devil's Den. What do we know happened?
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Speaker 1: Pieced together by the nine one one calls little girls
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Speaker 1: running down the trail screaming what they reported? How do
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Speaker 1: we think the attacks went down Sydney right.
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Speaker 2: Well, we don't have any publicly released information on what
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Speaker 2: actually happened, but we have been hearing these little snippets
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Speaker 2: of nine to one one dispatch radio and that's where
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Speaker 2: we're starting to piece together what happened. So apparently this
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Speaker 2: family is walking on the trail, mom and dad, two
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Speaker 2: little girls, and they are approached by Andrew apparently at
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Speaker 2: this point, and he starts to attack the parents, attacks dad,
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Speaker 2: possibly stab dad in the chest. While the two little
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Speaker 2: girls are still with their parents, Mom tells these two
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Speaker 2: young girls, they are just seven and nine years old,
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Speaker 2: to run as far and as fast as they can
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Speaker 2: and try and get help. So these girls take off,
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Speaker 2: and what they tell the nine one one dispatcher is
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Speaker 2: that they ran until they couldn't hear their mom screaming anymore,
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Speaker 2: so they run into some adult on the trail, and
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Speaker 2: we think that they ran a very long distance, almost
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Speaker 2: a mile until they ran into we're not sure, some
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Speaker 2: kind of an adult, maybe another family, a couple, and
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Speaker 2: someone escorted them to the visitor center, where an attendant
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Speaker 2: called nine one one, And at this point the attendant
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Speaker 2: just believed that maybe these children were just separated from
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Speaker 2: their family. It wasn't until the girls were put on
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Speaker 2: the phone directly with the nine one one dispatcher that
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Speaker 2: it was understood that their parents had actually been attacked.
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Speaker 2: So at this point that's when you hear stage for police.
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Speaker 2: Two people have been attacked, possible stabbing, and officers are
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Speaker 2: now searching the trail for these injured people. And what
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Speaker 2: we know is that officers actually heard falls for help
23:20
Speaker 2: before they made it out to Clinton and Kristen Brink.
23:25
Speaker 2: So it was so sad that they were so close
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Speaker 2: to possibly have gotten these parents' medical attention that they needed,
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Speaker 2: but by the time they located Kristen and Clinton, they
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Speaker 2: were deceased.
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Speaker 3: While first responders initially hear screams and calls for help,
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Speaker 3: by the time they reached the victims on the trail,
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Speaker 3: it's clear the victims are deceased. There's no sign of
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Speaker 3: their attacker. Officers quickly clear the trails, speaking with hikers
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Speaker 3: as they exit the park to piece together what happened.
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Speaker 3: Several hikers remember passing the family and many others on
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Speaker 3: the trail, but a few point out there was only
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Speaker 3: one one person they saw alone on the trail that day,
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Speaker 3: a medium builed white man wearing dark clothes, a ball
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Speaker 3: cap and sunglasses, with dark blonde or light brown hair.
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Speaker 12: What's supposed to be a memorable family height ends in
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Speaker 12: a brutal tragedy when the bodies of a mom and
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Speaker 12: dad are suddenly discovered in an Arkansas state park.
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Speaker 1: With me an all star panel. To any sense of
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Speaker 1: what we're learning right now, we do know that overnight
24:26
Speaker 1: it was announced and arrest had been made. The so
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Speaker 1: called Devil's Den Hike trail killer was apprehended, according to police.
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Speaker 1: Carson Holiday joining us from the Sun Carson, I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out how this guy was apprehended, what led
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Speaker 1: to him. I have a reason to believe it may
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Speaker 1: have been his vehicle, But Carson Holiday, you may have
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Speaker 1: a different theory. How was this guy identified?
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Speaker 7: I believe it was the composite sketch.
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Speaker 1: The composite sky.
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Speaker 7: Was really right on and he was wearing. I mean,
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Speaker 7: obviously we have that picture from behind that I feel
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Speaker 7: like is very recognizable. That backpack is pretty unique. Again,
25:11
Speaker 7: the balaklava sort of thing around his neck and then
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Speaker 7: the hat, that all just seems very recognizable. I believe
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Speaker 7: someone saw him going in to get the haircut, which
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Speaker 7: is where he was arrested, and maybe called it in. Obviously,
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Speaker 7: we'll learn more as the police release more details.
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Speaker 1: We're learning that police, well it's Arkansas State Police along
25:33
Speaker 1: with the FBI, are crediting video tips. I don't really
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Speaker 1: know what that means, but video tips also to Dodger.
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Speaker 1: Michelle Duprey, joining US renowned pathologist, medical examiner, and former detective.
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Speaker 1: When I hear people talk about balaklava, now I can't help.
25:52
Speaker 1: I will forever think of Brian Cooberger and it sounds
25:56
Speaker 1: like this guy took a page out of Coburger's book.
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Speaker 1: Burger dressed all in black, face, mask, gloves, The work
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Speaker 1: works just like this guy. What do you make of it?
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Speaker 1: Does that really protect you from DNA transfers?
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Speaker 11: No, Nancy, it doesn't. I think that he was under
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Speaker 11: a misconception that it would. But there are still going
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Speaker 11: to be lots of trace evidence on hairs, fibers, soil,
26:23
Speaker 11: things like that. It gives him a false sense of
26:26
Speaker 11: security that he won't be identified, and it does make
26:29
Speaker 11: it harder to identify, but there are still ways to
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Speaker 11: do that. And as we've seen here, there's a great
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Speaker 11: sketch of him.
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Speaker 1: It really is, it really is. You know that's hard
26:38
Speaker 1: to do, doctor Michelle Dupree, You and I have worked
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Speaker 1: with a lot of composite sketches, and you know it
26:44
Speaker 1: looks nothing like the person, and the defense has a
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Speaker 1: field day with it at trial. I mean, I've seen
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Speaker 1: some composite sketches that didn't look at all like the perk,
26:53
Speaker 1: but I had a DNA match, so I know it's him.
26:56
Speaker 1: Long story short, the defense gets a hold of that
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Speaker 1: back and pose it and goes, look, that's not him,
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Speaker 1: and that's not a good look for the prosecution in
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Speaker 1: this case. I think you're absolutely right. I think it
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Speaker 1: looks a lot like him. But doctor Michelle Dupree, not
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Speaker 1: only author and pathologist, also former detective now Kerson Holiday
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Speaker 1: thinks that it had to do with other evidence. I
27:22
Speaker 1: think it had to do the apprehending him, had to
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Speaker 1: do with this car, because you look and you see
27:28
Speaker 1: in the database, who's there, who's in the jurisdiction driving
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Speaker 1: a black Mazda four door with I don't know if
27:35
Speaker 1: the whole tag was covered up, if partial tag was
27:38
Speaker 1: covered up. Look at this. This is again from Adriana
27:42
Speaker 1: luis Ovolos on Facebook. There it is right there. Yep,
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Speaker 1: it's a four door, just like the witnesses said. And
27:49
Speaker 1: the car database is easy to find. Now we know
27:52
Speaker 1: part of that tag was obscured with duct tape he
27:55
Speaker 1: planned to him. But even if you get the outside
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Speaker 1: of the tag, you can identify the state and maybe
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Speaker 1: more so, what do you think led them to this
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Speaker 1: guy apprehended, all kicked back getting his hair done?
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Speaker 11: Nancy, I think you're actually right. I think that someone
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Speaker 11: saw this car and probably saw it maybe being parked,
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Speaker 11: and saw this person going into the barbershop to get
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Speaker 11: a haircut, and then you match that up with the sketch,
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Speaker 11: and I think you've absolutely got it. You've got it
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Speaker 11: wrapped up.
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Speaker 1: Hey, listen to this, doctor dupray.
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Speaker 3: Several other hikers take notice of a man in dark
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Speaker 3: clothes on Devil's Done Trail one nine one one call,
28:35
Speaker 3: reporting he appeared to have blood on him. While initial
28:38
Speaker 3: reports put the suspect in a black tank top, police
28:41
Speaker 3: revised the description to a dark colored, long sleeved shirt
28:45
Speaker 3: with the sleeves rolled up. Some witnesses saw the man
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Speaker 3: get in a black four door sports car. Others report
28:51
Speaker 3: a similar car driving erratically as it leaves the park area.
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Speaker 3: Their descriptions are vague, but all have two commonalities. It
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Speaker 3: was loud, and there was tape covering the license plate.
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Speaker 3: Police believe the vehicle may have been traveling on Arkansas
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Speaker 3: one p seventy or Arkansas two twenty.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying Chrston Holidays wrong. She may very well
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Speaker 1: be right. She knows the facts like the back of
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Speaker 1: her hand. But doctor Duprix, it's coburger all over again.
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Speaker 1: Here you've got the guy in this case, Devil's Den
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Speaker 1: driving erratically in a really loud car that went out
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Speaker 1: on the airwaves Pronto describing him the composite. But that
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Speaker 1: car it got on either Arkansas one seventy or two twenty.
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Speaker 1: They have cams, they have licensed grappers, and if you're
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Speaker 1: driving erratically, people are gonna notice, just like BK. Brian
29:46
Speaker 1: Coberger's white Elantra was noticed. I mean it's a dead giveaway.
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Speaker 1: What about that possibility, Doctor Dupree, Absolutely.
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Speaker 11: Nancy, that you're right, that is going to be noticed
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Speaker 11: by anybody that's in the vicinity. And if they call
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Speaker 11: that in and then again they do match it up
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Speaker 11: with the sketch. I think you're right. I think somebody
30:05
Speaker 11: saw that car. I think somebody saw that being parked
30:08
Speaker 11: near that barber shop. And I think that is how
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Speaker 11: they apprehended him right then, and they are ooh.
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Speaker 1: Yes, by the barbershop. Brilliant And he was so arrogant,
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Speaker 1: this guy idiot Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, doctor Janey Lacey,
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Speaker 1: and I say, idiot, with full venom, have you ever
30:40
Speaker 1: been minding your own business? I don't know if you
30:42
Speaker 1: live in an apartment or a house or in traffic
30:45
Speaker 1: and you hear and you go, what is that in
30:49
Speaker 1: some muscle car going by with a screwed up muffler
30:53
Speaker 1: and everybody notices it. This guy like Coburger, going round
30:58
Speaker 1: and around and around the murders. Is why elantra, Hello,
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Speaker 1: we see you on ring cams. We can see you.
31:06
Speaker 1: This guy drives off nine emph and thanks, Nobody will
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Speaker 1: notice and then parks in front of the salon.
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Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, that says a lot about he thought his
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Speaker 10: self importance and him living in the little bubble and
31:20
Speaker 10: not necessarily having self awareness.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 10: So when we see people who are arrogant personality disordered,
31:27
Speaker 10: have a lot of history of just being self focused
31:31
Speaker 10: and their self importance is so inflated that these are
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Speaker 10: the types of people that we will see that are
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Speaker 10: not considered of other people. And in this situation of
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Speaker 10: him going to the barbershop and him going loudly at
31:43
Speaker 10: that is to say that his self importance is over
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Speaker 10: confidence and just really thinking that he probably was going
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Speaker 10: to get away with this crime. In this sense, especially
31:53
Speaker 10: when we look at his self importance and his lack
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Speaker 10: of self awareness.
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that doctor Janey angel lewis
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Speaker 1: joining US veteran trial lawyer at Circe Law, but former
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Speaker 1: felony prosecutor. The more arrogant they are, the better it
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Speaker 1: is for the state because they think that they're not
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Speaker 1: going to be noticed and they're smarter than everybody in
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Speaker 1: the room. And in this case it's little things. Andrew.
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Speaker 1: If Carson Holliday is right, and I think she is,
32:23
Speaker 1: that there's a good chance there's DNA, and that there
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Speaker 1: are video tips. It's other little things. Did I ever
32:30
Speaker 1: tell you about the bank robber I prosecuted gets a
32:35
Speaker 1: ton of money out of what was then a CNS bank,
32:38
Speaker 1: and you know what got him a little thing. They
32:41
Speaker 1: didn't even have video, they had steal photos of the purpse,
32:45
Speaker 1: but you could see he was slew footed, what like
32:48
Speaker 1: a duck, right, And of course he took the stand,
32:51
Speaker 1: Thank you Heaven. He takes a stand, and everybody hung
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Speaker 1: over the jury rail to watch him walk, and he
32:58
Speaker 1: walked up just as slip footed as daffy duck. Okay,
33:03
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is little things like that car
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Speaker 1: pulling up and parking right there forgotten everybody to see
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Speaker 1: in front of the salon. You hear that, and of
33:15
Speaker 1: course you look at it and you think, hey, that
33:19
Speaker 1: looks like the Mazda. Everybody's looking for Andrea. Idiot? How
33:23
Speaker 1: many times can I say idiot in one segment? But
33:26
Speaker 1: what about it? Angrea Lewis, You're one hundred percent right.
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Speaker 9: You know, I think most people who maybe aren't in
33:32
Speaker 9: the courtroom as much as prosecutors are, maybe some other
33:35
Speaker 9: lawyers don't realize how the defendant themselves can really just
33:41
Speaker 9: be a treasure trove of information, not only in evidence before,
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Speaker 9: not only in just their statements potentially to police, but
33:50
Speaker 9: as you noted in the courtroom, their mannerisms, because if
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Speaker 9: they're arrogant outside the courtroom, imagine how they act to
33:57
Speaker 9: inside the courtroom and can pick up on that and
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Speaker 9: they want to wipe that smile right off their face.
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Speaker 9: And I think that's what's happened here. He just got
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Speaker 9: you know, cocky. He thought he was untouchable. I totally
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Speaker 9: agree with you and the other guest. I think that
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Speaker 9: we're going to find here that there's DNA that you
34:19
Speaker 9: got his car. It sounds like you have multiple people
34:21
Speaker 9: on the hiking trail. I would assume that it was
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Speaker 9: one of the adults that probably got a good look
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Speaker 9: at him. I remember there were some witness statements when
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Speaker 9: the initial reports went out. Who did that the composite
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Speaker 9: which is excellent, So they have a lot and for
34:36
Speaker 9: all we know, he spoke to police. So I think
34:39
Speaker 9: it'll just keep getting better.
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Speaker 1: Gots something else for you, Andrea ron Bate was going
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Speaker 1: to do a backflip. But before we show him doing
34:46
Speaker 1: his backflip, did you know that Lupita's salon. According to
34:50
Speaker 1: our very very extensive a Google map search, Lupida's Salon
34:57
Speaker 1: is less than thirty minutes away from Devil's Dean. He
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Speaker 1: didn't even leave the jurisdiction. He's that arrogant and parks
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Speaker 1: in the front of the salon where the whole world
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Speaker 1: is looking for his car.
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Speaker 9: It really it defies common sense. And you brought up coburger.
35:19
Speaker 9: That was the first thing I thought about when we
35:22
Speaker 9: started hearing these initial reports over the last couple of days,
35:26
Speaker 9: because imagine a town like this, who everybody's on high alert.
35:31
Speaker 9: I mean, people across the country are following this case.
35:33
Speaker 9: Imagine what big news it is locally there. So everybody
35:38
Speaker 9: in a four door sedan, you know, is getting stared
35:41
Speaker 9: at when they go to traffic lights and as they
35:44
Speaker 9: drive around, they're on high alert. The town's on high alert.
35:48
Speaker 9: So for this man to just be so stupid that
35:51
Speaker 9: he would stick around not think that anyone would notice him.
35:56
Speaker 9: He's sort of a strange looking guy to begin with.
35:59
Speaker 9: I mean, he's stands out is just foolish, and fortunately
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Speaker 9: for the family, he was caught and hopefully will spend
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Speaker 9: the rest of his life in prison or get the
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Speaker 9: death penalty.
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Speaker 1: Overnight, a presser announcing the arrest of the alleged double
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Speaker 1: killer snared in the Devil's Den hiking trail murders to
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Speaker 1: Ron Bateman, joining us fromer Sheriff and Arundel County, Maryland,
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Speaker 1: who has investigated multiple cases very similar to this. If
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Speaker 1: you look at this guy, Okay, he moves to town
36:34
Speaker 1: to another state after resigning from his last elementary school position,
36:43
Speaker 1: where he was quote so close to the students. He
36:47
Speaker 1: comes here, apparently doesn't know anybody, takes an out of
36:51
Speaker 1: state job, lives all alone, reportedly having left that job
36:58
Speaker 1: after claims he had an appropriate contact. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what that means. That can mean calling children on the phone,
37:05
Speaker 1: It can mean texting them, It can mean a lot more.
37:08
Speaker 1: We don't know that yet. But then would he leap
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Speaker 1: from that to trying to publicly nab a little girl
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Speaker 1: on a hiking trail. No wonder the mom and dad
37:25
Speaker 1: fought to the death.
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Speaker 6: Okay, So I made another observation of that backpack contraption
37:30
Speaker 6: that he has he's wearing. First off, that gym bag
37:33
Speaker 6: is attached to a backpack apparatus, and that backpack apparatus
37:38
Speaker 6: has what looks to me to be a camelback apparatus
37:42
Speaker 6: to it, which means it has water in it and
37:45
Speaker 6: it comes around. So to me, that looks like the
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Speaker 6: moron who's wearing long sleeve black shirt and black pants
37:52
Speaker 6: and a hat in ninety five degree weather is end
37:55
Speaker 6: for the long run because of hydration. This gives him
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Speaker 6: hydration state out there. So that looks like a chin
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Speaker 6: backpack to me with an attachment of a gym bag
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Speaker 6: to us, So, who knows what the heck is in
38:07
Speaker 6: that driam gym bag. I'd love to see the tape,
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Speaker 6: the rope, the knives or whatever's in there.
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Speaker 1: Would he be that brazen ron?
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Speaker 6: Yeah? Well, I mean he's not that sory to.
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Speaker 1: Try and nab a little girl in front of her parents. Well,
38:23
Speaker 1: I mean, for all I know, like in Rachel Moren's case,
38:26
Speaker 1: that perp waited until nobody else was around, and Rachel
38:33
Speaker 1: was at a curve, remember a curve where people behind
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Speaker 1: couldn't see exactly what was happening ahead, and he dragged
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Speaker 1: her off the trail, her mother of five. For all
38:46
Speaker 1: I know, the little girls were running ahead of mom
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Speaker 1: and dad, which happens frequently, and he saw them and
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Speaker 1: didn't see mom and dad and tried to grab one
38:56
Speaker 1: and the girl's screen. I wonder if that's how this
38:58
Speaker 1: whole thing is going to play out.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what, he probably had tunnel vision. Your parent,
39:03
Speaker 6: I'm a parent. You know when the kids are little,
39:05
Speaker 6: you know, they don't want to stick by mom and
39:07
Speaker 6: dad's side. They're running ahead, or they're hanging behind, they're
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Speaker 6: playing on logs or doing what have you, exploring the woods,
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Speaker 6: and that could have very well happened and been slightly
39:16
Speaker 6: out of sight of mom and dad. But this guy
39:19
Speaker 6: had tunnel vision. He knew what he was going after,
39:21
Speaker 6: probably one of those two little girls or both, and
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Speaker 6: just was oblivious to mom and dad's presence.
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Speaker 1: You know, Carson holiday joining us from the US son.
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Speaker 1: I'm just we're analyzing how is he tracked, how is
39:33
Speaker 1: he caught? Was their DNA? Did the hair have mitochondrial
39:37
Speaker 1: DNA in on? But what it boils down to is
39:40
Speaker 1: this mom and dad gave their lives trying to protect
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Speaker 1: the little girls. That's the first words we were hearing.
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Speaker 1: They died trying to protect the girls. And I spun
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Speaker 1: that out and try to figure out what does that mean. Okay,
39:54
Speaker 1: these two little girls, and I think they've got a
39:56
Speaker 1: third sister, we'll spend the rest of them lives without
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Speaker 1: mom and dad. And there's no replacement for that. And
40:06
Speaker 1: not only that, the survivor guilt. They died trying to
40:10
Speaker 1: save me. I mean, that's what this is all about.
40:16
Speaker 1: And stabbing death is a brutal way to die. It's
40:20
Speaker 1: not like you die in your sleep, or you breathe
40:23
Speaker 1: in carbon monoxide you don't even know what's happening, or
40:26
Speaker 1: you take too many pills and you just drift off
40:28
Speaker 1: to sleep. No, it's it's a horrible way to die.
40:34
Speaker 1: And if the police are right Arkansas State Police, this
40:38
Speaker 1: guy did it. I bet you anything, Carson. He didn't
40:42
Speaker 1: go from zero to one hundred mph in one afternoon, right,
40:47
Speaker 1: there's got to be a trail behind him. But what
40:51
Speaker 1: happens now? Where is he and what's next?
40:54
Speaker 7: Well, he was booked into jail last night. We obviously
40:58
Speaker 7: saw that terrifying mugshot and police said that he could
41:02
Speaker 7: appear in court for his arraignment as soon as tomorrow morning.
41:06
Speaker 7: So we'll really be checking back in and seeing, you know,
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Speaker 7: how he appears in court.
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Speaker 9: What jail is going to look like for him?
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Speaker 7: I really can't imagine that it would be a great
41:18
Speaker 7: experience for him.
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Speaker 5: There.
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Speaker 7: You know, he just ripped two parents away from their
41:24
Speaker 7: young daughters. And like you said, the young daughters, I mean,
41:27
Speaker 7: the survivor's guilt is just going to be awful, especially
41:31
Speaker 7: considering that the mom told the little girls to run
41:33
Speaker 7: and get help, and that they were screaming for help
41:37
Speaker 7: up until they came along to their bodies.
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Speaker 1: And it's just horrific. Mom and dad had just moved
41:43
Speaker 1: to this jurisdiction. Dad starting a brand new job. I
41:49
Speaker 1: think it would have been yesterday delivering milk. Mom a nurse. Well,
41:58
Speaker 1: we know what's going to happen, Andrea. He is going
42:00
Speaker 1: to have a first appearance, which under the law, if
42:04
Speaker 1: you are behind bars, you have to be brought into
42:07
Speaker 1: a court, whether it's a magistrate, a superior court judge,
42:10
Speaker 1: state court judge, and you have to be told why
42:13
Speaker 1: you're being charged in open court, no secret proceedings. That's
42:17
Speaker 1: going to happen. Then there'll probably be a grand jury indictment.
42:21
Speaker 1: Onto capital murder cases, this is a death penalty jurisdiction.
42:26
Speaker 1: Then he'll probably be assigned a public defender with death
42:32
Speaker 1: penalty experience. I mean, this is more than one body
42:35
Speaker 1: that equals mass murder under the law. That's what's going
42:39
Speaker 1: to spend out. Then we're going to spend millions of
42:40
Speaker 1: dollars while he sits behind bars. I believe it's Washington
42:43
Speaker 1: County jail, with people rallying to his aid, women falling
42:49
Speaker 1: in love with him and sending him love letters and
42:53
Speaker 1: special meals, all sorts of things like ahead for him
42:58
Speaker 1: as we wait for justice is too unfold. But what
43:01
Speaker 1: do you think what lies ahead?
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Speaker 9: Andrea lewis well, so what lies ahead for him?
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Speaker 1: This is going to be a long process.
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Speaker 9: It's going to be a long process for all of
43:11
Speaker 9: us here watching along, And as you noted before, and
43:14
Speaker 9: most importantly, this is going to be an absolutely excruciatingly
43:21
Speaker 9: painful process for these girls who may very well end
43:26
Speaker 9: up being witnesses in this case and have to testify
43:29
Speaker 9: a trial. Hopefully they're able to piece the case together.
43:33
Speaker 9: It sounds like they have a lot of other evidence
43:35
Speaker 9: without putting them through that. But this, as we all know,
43:39
Speaker 9: is not a process that's going to happen overnight. And
43:42
Speaker 9: as is often the case, he will likely plead not guilty.
43:47
Speaker 9: We'll drag it out, get a trial date. You know,
43:51
Speaker 9: it will depend on the jurisdiction. But let's say within
43:53
Speaker 9: a couple years, and then we'll all sit back and
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Speaker 9: see if he ends up being offered a plead and
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Speaker 9: take some place lee ahead of time, but for something.
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Speaker 1: Oh please don't pull upon coburger on me, Andrea Lewis,
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Speaker 1: you're giving me, giving me chest pains, a plea deal.
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Speaker 1: A mom and a dad dead defending their children on
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Speaker 1: a family hiking trail. No mm hmm, I mean I
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Speaker 1: believe the elected prosecutor is going to call for the
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Speaker 1: DP on this. That said, we wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 1: And now we remember an American hero, Deputy Shriff of
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Speaker 1: jamar Abel Chambers County Sheriff's, Alabama, just twenty four years old,
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Speaker 1: killed in a line of duty, survived by grieving fiance
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Speaker 1: Jasmine and father Martin missing. A beloved American hero, jamar
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Speaker 1: Abel Nancy Gray signing off good bye mad
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Speaker 11: Passssssssssssssssssss