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022 | Should You Have ACL Surgery Immediately or Wait? · The ACL Athlete Podcast

• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome everyone to the ACL Athlete Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the podcast where we talk about everything related to the ATL, whether that's the injury itself, the rehab process, return to sport, and more.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Robbie Patel, performance physical therapist and coach.
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  SPEAKER_00: Between myself and fellow guests and experts, you'll learn through the lens of the patient, the healthcare professional, and the coach.
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  SPEAKER_00: The goal of this podcast is to equip you, the athlete, with the education to make the best informed decision about your care and your ACL journey.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for joining.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now let's dive into today's episode.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: What's up guys, and welcome back to another episode on the ACL Athlete Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today is episode number 22.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we are diving into this question: should you have ACL surgery immediately or wait?
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's say that you've had your knee injury, you've had the ACL injury, and you know that it is torn.
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  SPEAKER_00: Should you have that surgery as quickly as possible or should you wait?
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: And this is a question that I get very often, and you see these in different threads, uh in different groups, people tear their ACL trying to figure out what are the next steps, it's a whole new world to them.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: But then there ensues this terrifying feeling of if I don't get this ACL surgery, then what if something bad happens?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, maybe it's too late, all these different feelings that start to flood as soon as this happens.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: So to start this off, we're gonna lead with the typical answer of it depends, which is very difficult with these types of questions because it's going to really depend on your situation, where you're at, uh, what the goals are, and maybe like other injuries that have happened at that same time.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: But we're just gonna go ahead and assume that ACL surgery is needed and is happening for sure, and it's an ACL reconstruction, and nothing else crazy is going on.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're not thinking three or four different ligament tears, meniscus, all these different things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's just say ACL, and if we want to throw in there a meniscus, but it's not really impeding your day-to-day.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, first thing to consider is what are your goals and is it time sensitive?
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's take this example of an athlete who tears it in their junior year or their third year of high school and they want to come back to play for their senior year of let's say soccer or football, whatever it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: The nine-month timeline is still gonna apply.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if there is any physical therapist, surgeon who says you can do it in five, six months, um, from what we know at this point right now, they are wrong because of the evidence.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is incredibly clear at this point.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nine months gives you enough time, but it's not time alone, it's what you do in that nine months that's gonna be important.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's say this person needs to be back exactly in nine months.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that is something where you might have to consider, depending on when that tear happens, and you need to come back for this specific season, you might need to have surgery sooner rather than later.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you do not have to have surgery immediately, which goes in most cases that I see, probably 80 to 90 percent of cases don't need to have surgery immediately.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and this is typically an athlete who doesn't necessarily have this big competition coming up that may determine something about their career or their trajectory for where they are trying to go.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, my role here is a bare minimum of four weeks, but ideally eight to twelve weeks.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm going to tell you exactly why.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number one, the evidence and the research that support prehab, pre-operative rehabilitation, which essentially just means having some rehab done before you have the surgery, shows better outcomes in the long run.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, if you look at FIEL 2016, Etsen in 2010, Van Melek in 2016, these are all research studies that look at prehab and waiting a little bit before you have surgery, and they compare two different groups, and they saw that the prehab group did better.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that makes sense, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You can get into physical therapy, you could start working on your range of motion, you could start working on your quads, you can work on getting the swelling down, your gait, all these things that you're going to need to relearn and do once you have your surgery, so you get exposed to it and you're able to get used to the process that you're gonna have right after surgery.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which leads me into my next point, which is just looking at the function of the knee and looking at how the physiology and the recovery and the healing of everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when we're looking at this knee and it's had a trauma of an ACL injury and maybe a meniscus, usually there's pain, there's swelling, there is some quad atrophy, or your quads don't want to activate as well because it's painful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Swelling is limiting your joint range of motion, it might be impacting your gait and the way that you're walking.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, all of these things are impacting daily life in a sense of utilizing your knee.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: So being able to get this knee back to what we call the quiet knee of the normal range of motion, especially that extension, and then getting the quads to make sure they're activating on their own where you contract it, and then decreasing the swelling and decreasing the pain.
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  SPEAKER_00: All of these things that are going to be important because you're gonna have to address them, as I said earlier, right after you get out of surgery.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: So getting that normalized is gonna help so much, and then you can start strengthening the knee, you could start building it up, and that way, whenever you hit surgery and you get out, you're stronger, you're able to jump onto things and learn things quicker.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's a slew of benefits to having prehab and making sure that you take a little bit of time before you jump into surgery.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the whole premise here is allowing the need to get back to quote unquote normal, to where it was before.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: And it's essentially okay, it feels almost the exact same as it was before, uh, minus the ACL, which is going to be needed for especially like the cutting and the pivoting and things of that nature.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: And oftentimes, surgeons won't even operate with a ton of knee swelling because of the pressure and the fluid, and it can throw the joint off in terms of the way that it's moving.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's something that they will also wait and ask people to do that so it can calm down.
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  SPEAKER_00: The only exception might be if there's some sort of urgency, like a broken bone that they need to screw back in, um, or other trauma that could create some sort of risk.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, here we're kind of thinking of more so those freak accidents or maybe a car accident where the knee is in a much more compromised position as compared to, let's say, just on the field and you're cutting and you tear your ACL.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, one of the things that is important here that as I've worked with people and uh started to see is if you have a bone bruise or other injuries that happen with the ACL injury, the time actually gives you some buffer room to allow things to heal and potentially to minimize post-surgery complications like increased swelling and pain.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I've seen some athletes where the surgeon tells them they need surgery sooner rather than later, and they have a bone bruise or something that is in there that has created some trauma, and we know with bone, there just needs to be more time for healing because it goes through a process, just like any part of our other body that has had some trauma, and it ends up causing a lot of swelling and pain and discomfort.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what could have been done instead was allow that bone bruise to heal and allowing that to normalize and then having the surgery, and then these athletes have a better post-op process because they're not dealing with that bone bruise or the other injuries that are still in that process.
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  SPEAKER_00: My next point is if you are older, it may also let you know if you could be a coper, aka getting away with not having ACL surgery.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: So we usually have two categories when people do tear their ACL because sometimes people don't want to have surgery, and we're seeing more research that shows that some people can get away with not having surgery, and that doesn't necessarily make things worse down the road.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, this will be a podcast episode in and of itself, but you could usually categorize people as copers and non-copers, and copers are people who have an ACL tear, but maybe their joint isn't as unstable and the musculature around it are stronger, and it's also related to their sport and their activities they do.
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  SPEAKER_00: The same thing with non-copers, those are people who have the ACL tear but typically have more instability cases where their knee gives out, then that might create more of a risk.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: With that said, if you wait a little bit of time, let's say eight weeks, twelve weeks, you do your prehab, and you start to notice that the knee is fine, it's normal, and maybe your goals aren't necessarily to get back to competitive or cutting and pivoting sports, then this might be something that could be a blessing in disguise.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: So this all comes back to the goals and how your knee is responding during this time.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: But this time allows you to be able to see maybe I don't necessarily need ACL surgery, and you could even delay the surgery if it's not necessary, unless something down the road may seem to warrant it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And speaking of blessing in disguise, I remember from my first ACL injury and surgery.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: So this goes back to my sophomore year of high school, and I tore my ACL in April, and I had to wait for my first one due to my insurance coverage.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: There was some sort of issue, so I had to change surgeons and all these different things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I ended up having surgery in July, which was about three months later, and I knew I needed it.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: I was in high school and wanted to continue playing competitive sports.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, also at that point, I really didn't necessarily have a choice, they were just like, this is what you do.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I had the surgery, but it was three months later.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: So in the meantime, I actually ended up doing some prehab and working on getting my range back, working on the pain and especially the swelling.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: I was working on getting my quads going and really just strengthening.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't like I was just not doing anything, I was focused on still strengthening, which was awesome.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I came out of the surgery, I was used to the exercises, I knew the stuff that I needed to do, and my rehab took off pretty quick, and I recovered very well.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I attribute a lot of that to being able to do the prehab and waiting, allowing my knee to calm down, being able to check that box on the quiet knee and progressively build on my knee as I waited for the insurance to figure itself out and then have the surgery.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: So that was truly a blessing in disguise, and I really attribute that to my recovery for my first ACL reconstruction.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, to review, if you are trying to consider having ACL surgery immediately, or if you're trying to wait, this really depends.
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  SPEAKER_00: If it is time sensitive, then might need to do it sooner.
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  SPEAKER_00: If it is not time sensitive, I advise my athletes to wait eight to twelve weeks at the bare minimum four weeks.
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  SPEAKER_00: The research supports this approach of doing prehab, aiming for a quiet knee.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: Surgeons shouldn't and typically won't operate on a swollen knee unless there is something urgent that needs repaired, allowing the initial trauma to normalize and heal, and that allows for better post-op success.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: And it might allow you to evaluate whether a non-operative approach is something in the carts for you based on your goals and how your knee is responding.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: You might not need to spend all the money, you might not need to spend all that time and going through a surgery when you might have a chance not to have an operation.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: So all of these things are big important points for whether you should have surgery immediately or wait.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that is it for today, my friends.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is your host, Robbie Patel, signing off.