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Speaker 1: Our back.
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Speaker 2: Normally the show would normally picks for women news.
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Speaker 3: It's weird.
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Speaker 2: I am Mary Catherine.
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Speaker 1: Aner and I'm Carol Markowitz. How are you, Mary Catherine?
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Speaker 1: How is the first week of the New year treating you?
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Speaker 2: We're hanging in there, man, like everybody is just trying
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Speaker 2: not to catch whatever their kids had. And I think
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Speaker 2: I may have fallen victim today. So we shall see.
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Speaker 1: Which version do they have the cough or the no
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Speaker 1: voice or ghostly cough.
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Speaker 2: But you can hear this voice as a little Kathleen Turnery.
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Speaker 2: Yeah good, you could take a turn in the near future.
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Speaker 1: Some of my kids are really enjoying that. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I have a little bit of the voice thing, but yeah,
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Speaker 1: my middle son is just like I lost my voice,
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Speaker 1: like extra.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 1: Other things that have happened in the first week of
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Speaker 1: the New Year that we didn't get to last episode,
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Speaker 1: but Zor and mom Donnie became mayor of my old
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Speaker 1: city and he is turns out a communist.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Democratic Socialists just socialists pretty much. It turns out. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: we had suspected, right.
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Speaker 1: You know, I have to say to give credit to
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Speaker 1: Mom Donnie, and you know, that's going to be a
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Speaker 1: rare thing for me to do. He ran on being
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Speaker 1: this guy, So I don't know why anybody is surprised
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Speaker 1: by any of it. The first thing that people are
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Speaker 1: surprised by is that a Zorn Mom Donnie at Point
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Speaker 1: t Sea Weaver, she was tapped to lead his mayor's
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Speaker 1: office to protect tenants, had some old tweets resurface where
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Speaker 1: she's calling basically for property confiscation, and she's saying that
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Speaker 1: people need to rethink the whole idea of private property.
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Speaker 1: Let's roll that clip.
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Speaker 5: I think the reality is is that for centuries we've
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Speaker 5: really treated property as an individualized good and not a
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Speaker 5: collective good, and we are going to and transitioning to
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Speaker 5: treating it as a collective good and towards a model
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Speaker 5: of shared equity will require that we think about it differently,
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Speaker 5: and it will mean that families, especially white families, but
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Speaker 5: some COOC families who are homeowners as well, are going
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Speaker 5: to have a different relationship to property than the one
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Speaker 5: that we currently have a.
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Speaker 1: Different relationships to property. But to be real, is this surprising?
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Speaker 1: Did Zor and Mom Donnie not run as the kind
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Speaker 1: of guy who would nominate people like this. I think
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Speaker 1: he was very honest about who he is. He kept
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Speaker 1: trusting that he is a democratic socialist. He specifically breaks
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Speaker 1: with members of his party because they're not socialists enough.
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Speaker 1: This is who New York elected. And I feel really
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Speaker 1: bad for almost half of New Yorkers who tried really hard.
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Speaker 1: And I have a lot of family, I have a
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Speaker 1: lot of friends, and I root for them and I
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Speaker 1: root for the city. But this is where his election
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Speaker 1: was going to go. And I am not at all surprised, Like,
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Speaker 1: not even a little surprised. I'm actually surprised that she's
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Speaker 1: kind of walking it back and saying she doesn't believe
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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff anymore. Those are old tweets and
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Speaker 1: you have to give some grace. And she was crying
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Speaker 1: when confronted by it. That's surprising to me. That's the
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Speaker 1: only part that I find surprising in any of this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Also, don't be a baby and cry about this. These
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Speaker 2: are your own words, you said them in public. They
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Speaker 2: are directly related to the job you will be doing
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Speaker 2: in one of the most important cities in the world. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: so you have to answer questions about those things. I
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Speaker 2: find her rhetoric, which I don't think is just rhetoric.
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Speaker 2: I think she genuinely believes that she has the power
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Speaker 2: to do it. I find it sad for New York
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Speaker 2: and I find it pretty scary, even with the up
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Speaker 2: talk that she usual cool. So it's so sinister the
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Speaker 2: way she delivers it, just like, hey, we just need
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Speaker 2: to rethink this, Like she's the HR person for all
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Speaker 2: of our property. I'm not the HR person for my property.
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Speaker 2: Order to get my property, you're going to have to
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Speaker 2: take it from me. And that is stealing. And that
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Speaker 2: is what she wants the state to do. And that's
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Speaker 2: kind of what the state has already been involved in
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Speaker 2: with a lot of these rent control schemes because what
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Speaker 2: they do is they say, oh, yeah, you like that building.
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Speaker 2: And this is what Mundonnie started his first day of
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Speaker 2: his mayoralty with. He went to visit an apartment building
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Speaker 2: that he claimed was plagued by bad landlords. Well, it
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Speaker 2: turns out that apartment building, with all of its maintenance issues,
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Speaker 2: is a rent controlled apartment building.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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Speaker 2: They can only charge nine hundred and sixty five dollars
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Speaker 2: in New York City. In New York City to live
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Speaker 2: in this apartment and therefore the people who own the
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Speaker 2: building have trouble maintaining it and also owning the building,
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Speaker 2: like it is a is an untenable, unworkable business plan
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Speaker 2: caused by the state. Right then the state shows up
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Speaker 2: and it did this, look at these floors, we have
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Speaker 2: to take your apartment building from you. I mean it
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Speaker 2: is radical, radical stuff.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy. Look, I'm from the Soviet Union. Communal housing
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Speaker 1: was totally a thing. I've heard all about it. How
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Speaker 1: multiple families would share one kitchen, all live in one bedroom.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it does not go well. No one has
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Speaker 1: ever looked at communal housing in the Soviet Union and
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Speaker 1: be like this, well we should have more of I
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Speaker 1: mean it broke up families. I mean think about when
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Speaker 1: like in laws come to visit and families can't take
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Speaker 1: it like this is like strangers are living in your
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Speaker 1: second bedroom. It really it's it's a scary situation that
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Speaker 1: they're trying all these terrible ideas.
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Speaker 2: Anew, well, an interesting wrinkle. Did you see this court
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Speaker 2: case that the Mamdani administration brought immediately?
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Speaker 1: No, I missed it.
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Speaker 2: So they filed they filed about rent control in a
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Speaker 2: dispute with a property owner. The Mamdani administration opposes the
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Speaker 2: bankruptcy proceedings of a landlord on the grounds that his
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Speaker 2: or her rent control departments do not produce enough income
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Speaker 2: to operate the buildings, so they don't want him to
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Speaker 2: be able to sell or restructure after the rent control
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Speaker 2: regulations they've imposed have made it an unprofitable business. And
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Speaker 2: then they say we'll just take it and give it
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Speaker 2: to an NGO. But they actually admitted this in court,
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Speaker 2: which a bunch of court watchers are like, that could
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Speaker 2: spell real trouble. So I guess we could cross our
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Speaker 2: fingers for a hubristic socialist who takes a bunch of
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Speaker 2: socialist policies to court, and then maybe they get kicked
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Speaker 2: up to I don't know, a pretty conservative Supreme.
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Speaker 1: Court, yeah, or even like a normal liberal right. No, right,
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Speaker 1: you're hoping for a non communist, which I understand is
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Speaker 1: sometimes too much to hope for.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's wild to put that in writing that, yes,
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Speaker 2: the government caused this problem, and yes, that is the
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Speaker 2: reason that the government opposes the rightful owner of this
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Speaker 2: property selling or restructuring. Why do you give to us?
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Speaker 2: It's probably be for us, right, I'm sure you'll do
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Speaker 2: the way that turns something into nothing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, very quickly too, So Zora, Mom, Donnie, I have
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Speaker 1: good news actually, Mary Catherine. We're getting free World Cup tickets.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, because why not everybody deserves World
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Speaker 1: Cup tickets? I know my othersAn thinks he does.
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Speaker 2: There are no scarcity issues, and everything will just fall
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Speaker 2: from the heavens.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing.
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Speaker 4: Let's roll that clip we are seeing. You know, I
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Speaker 4: had a New Yorker the other day come up to
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Speaker 4: me and ask me if there was any way I
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Speaker 4: could help him get World Cup tickets because he was
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Speaker 4: saying that the costs that he saw for a game
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Speaker 4: was six hundred dollars. Right, this is increasingly out of reach.
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Speaker 4: We have made what used to be a working class
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Speaker 4: game into a luxury experience, and there are too many
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Speaker 4: for whom it doesn't matter where the World Cup is
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Speaker 4: being played in the world. They know where they're going
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Speaker 4: to watch it. It's TV, and we want to ensure
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Speaker 4: that there are more experiences available to each and ever
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Speaker 4: New Yorker.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm going to be watching it on TV because, yeah,
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Speaker 1: tickets are expensive. That's how it works. When there's only
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Speaker 1: X amount of tickets and people want them, they get expensive.
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Speaker 2: Also, you know where a bunch of people can watch
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Speaker 2: games on TV, which is, by the way, a modern
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Speaker 2: miracle that you can watch all sports engagements on your
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Speaker 2: pretty awesome TV.
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Speaker 1: Pretty great.
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Speaker 2: A great place you can do that is in capitalist
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Speaker 2: countries versus socialist countries, where they have far fewer goods
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Speaker 2: and TVs for people on which to watch things, or
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Speaker 2: electricity in some places.
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Speaker 1: Our friend Adelas Galia tweeted, I'm genuinely concerned at this
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Speaker 1: point that he doesn't know how anything works in the
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Speaker 1: real world, and there was a note attached to his
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Speaker 1: video about this. Apart from the fact that the mayor
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Speaker 1: has no influence over FIFA pricing policy, there are also
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Speaker 1: no games in New York City. The good last games
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Speaker 1: are in New Jersey. Not sure he'll be able to
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Speaker 1: affect that, but he really does have the vibe of
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Speaker 1: like the guy who wanted to be student body president
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Speaker 1: and put a coke fountain in the cafeteria, Like he
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Speaker 1: thinks that he could do this kind of stuff.
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Speaker 2: Like who are you?
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Speaker 1: Why would you believe that you could change any of this?
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Speaker 1: It just it's bananas.
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Speaker 2: Here's an idea he could buy personally with all of
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Speaker 2: his wealth and his mom's wealth a bunch of World
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Speaker 2: Cup tickets and then given to people, give them to
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Speaker 2: for free.
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Speaker 1: I am at market line and hand them out right.
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Speaker 1: My beloved Scotland is in the World Cup this time around.
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Speaker 1: They haven't been in for many, many years, so my
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Speaker 1: Scottish friends are excited about this. I'd go to a
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Speaker 1: Scotland game, why not?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, yeah, if they're giving them out for free
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Speaker 2: to see of mom, Dani.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be right back with more on normally and
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Speaker 1: that other socialist paradise, California.
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Speaker 2: You're right back, alrighty. Well, it is January in sunny California,
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Speaker 2: and it is the marking of a sad anniversary, the
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Speaker 2: anniversary of the Palisades Fire and other Southern California fires.
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Speaker 2: Twelve people in the Palisades lost their lives in that fire,
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Speaker 2: and some sixteen thousand structures were burned just in that area.
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Speaker 2: There were other places as well. There are a couple
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Speaker 2: commemorations going on there, the White Glove Flag presentation and
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Speaker 2: remembrance ceremony and this one they Let Us Burn rally
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Speaker 2: headlined by Palisades Fire victim Heidi Montag whose husband Spencer
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Speaker 2: has been really involved in getting to the bottom of
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Speaker 2: what happened with the LA Fire Department and the city
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Speaker 2: governance and the state governance and why things did not
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Speaker 2: get done better than they did. As it stands right now,
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Speaker 2: so sixteen k structures burned in that area. There are
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Speaker 2: about twenty five hundred permits that have been issued for
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Speaker 2: things that could be rebuilt. Zero have been completed, some
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Speaker 2: five hundred are in the process of building. And that
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Speaker 2: is after California Governor Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass, the
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Speaker 2: mayor of LA said We're going to cut all the
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Speaker 2: red tape. It's going to go smoothly. That has not
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Speaker 2: happened in Malibu. There have been twenty two permits given.
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Speaker 2: Twenty two. It's crazy in a year for these beachfront
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Speaker 2: properties that many people anticipated. The environmentalists and the state
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Speaker 2: and local government are going to say you can't rebuild there,
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Speaker 2: which I think is probably what we're slow walking into
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Speaker 2: at this point. And here's my favorite part of this
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Speaker 2: anniversary is that Newsome is unabashedly using it as a
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Speaker 2: press tour for his future presidential run. So it's commemorating
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Speaker 2: a grand failure in his own state where twelve people
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Speaker 2: died and all these things burned and nothing has been rebuilt.
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Speaker 2: And he's like, you know what, this makes me the
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Speaker 2: front runner? And The Atlantic is like, yes, it does,
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Speaker 2: it does. Yeah, you ru in this big glossy piece
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Speaker 2: on him called the front Runner and it says California
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Speaker 2: the aven Newsom would rather be wrong than weak. Well,
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Speaker 2: I'll be wrong. He's often often wrong. So that's where
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Speaker 2: we are in California today.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, tweet that they've had the fastest debris
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Speaker 1: removal in modern US history, and our friend Red Stea's
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Speaker 1: retweeted that and said Florida rebuilt a bridge destroyed by
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Speaker 1: a hurricane in fifteen days, and yeah, so congratulations on
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Speaker 1: that debris removal. It's really crazy that he's going to
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Speaker 1: be the front runner. This is where we're heading, right,
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Speaker 1: It's like him or AOC really depends which lane of
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Speaker 1: crazy the Democrats want to take us into. But his
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Speaker 1: incompetence and we talked about competence in the last episode
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Speaker 1: of this show because it's so rare to see competence.
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Speaker 1: Now that this incompetence of his is being portrayed as competence,
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Speaker 1: it's crazy it's like he did a terrible job. Watch
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Speaker 1: him win the election on this well.
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Speaker 2: And Democrats have a pattern of this because they know
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Speaker 2: they can get away with it in the media. So
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Speaker 2: he comes out and says like, oh, anniversary of the fires,
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Speaker 2: a giant failure on my watch, let me do a
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Speaker 2: press tour. In the press is like, sure, you should
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Speaker 2: blame everything on Trump, and he goes ahead and does that.
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Speaker 2: I noticed that the Baltimore or excuse me, the Maryland
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Speaker 2: governor Wes Moore, who's the up and coming fresh face
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Speaker 2: for Democrats. He also cited in his convention speech a
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Speaker 2: big failure on his watch, which was the destruction of
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Speaker 2: that giant bridge that got hit by the giant cargo
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Speaker 2: ship mm hm and destroyed and had not been rebuilt
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Speaker 2: at all by the time he's giving this speech. He's like, anyway,
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Speaker 2: bad things happened. I am great. I think that's I
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Speaker 2: don't think that's the connection a lot of voters make,
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Speaker 2: nor should they. Let's hear a little bit from Newsom
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Speaker 2: on his press tour about who's really the problem here?
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Speaker 3: Where are we at in the recovery effort? We made
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Speaker 3: tremendous progress, the fastest to pre removal in American history,
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Speaker 3: at least modern American history, in six months, working with
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Speaker 3: the Army Corps of Engineers, working with FEMA, they did
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Speaker 3: an exceptional job. And I will say this to be fair,
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump did not get in the way of that.
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Speaker 3: But that process began under President Biden. I was president,
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Speaker 3: and at the time we established the contracts, we established
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Speaker 3: the major Disaster Declaration. I can't even conceive had this
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Speaker 3: happened under the Trump administration, we would still be debating
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Speaker 3: which one of his contractors he would send out to
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Speaker 3: do the debris removal, which one was connected to the
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Speaker 3: larger construct of the administration. So we were able to
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Speaker 3: move forward very effectively in those first six months. We
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Speaker 3: put out a detailed plan, a master plan for removal,
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Speaker 3: a vision for the future of the region. We did
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Speaker 3: that at the six month mark, and we continue to
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Speaker 3: wait for a simple response, just the dignity of a
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Speaker 3: response from Donald Trump himself to a request for federal
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Speaker 3: disaster aid that we made in February of last year.
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Speaker 3: It's almost been an entire year. That request is currently
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Speaker 3: thirty three point nine billion dollars. We continue to visit
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Speaker 3: with leaders of both parties on Capitol Hill that are
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Speaker 3: consistently supportive, but they're simply waiting for the that request
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Speaker 3: to come from the president form.
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Speaker 1: You're waiting, Yeah, my favorite part of that. And look,
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Speaker 1: you know we all use filler words. But when he
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Speaker 1: corrected himself from American history, the fastest debris you know,
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Speaker 1: clean up in American history, and then he went to
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Speaker 1: modern American history, Yeah, because he can't speak for ancient
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Speaker 1: American history. Who knows what happened back then with the
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Speaker 1: debris removal.
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it was federal assets doing the
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Speaker 2: debris removal that he's bragging about, and he at the
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Speaker 2: time was saying, like, I appreciate all of this happening.
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Speaker 2: He changes based on his audience, He changes based on
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Speaker 2: the day of the week. It doesn't matter. But I
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Speaker 2: do want to point out that the LA Fire Department
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Speaker 2: did its own internal investigation of what happened here, and
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Speaker 2: the La Times reported hats off to them. They dug
15:43
Speaker 2: on this and found that there were like seven different
15:46
Speaker 2: versions of it, one ready way earlier, and they kept
15:50
Speaker 2: going in and changing it because the powers that be
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Speaker 2: do not want anyone to be held responsible for this.
15:56
Speaker 2: They want you some out there pointing fingers and saying
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Speaker 2: the Feds somehow, yeah, bas when that is not the case.
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Speaker 2: And I just want to point out a couple of
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Speaker 2: things that did get left out of that report. A
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Speaker 2: deleted passage in the report said that some cruise waited
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Speaker 2: more than an hour for an assignment the day of
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Speaker 2: the fire. A section on failures was renamed primary Challenges,
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Speaker 2: and an item saying that crews and leaders had violated
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Speaker 2: national guidelines on how to avoid firefighter deaths and injuries
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Speaker 2: was scratched. It goes on and on. The cover was
16:26
Speaker 2: required to be more positive than showing a fire because
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Speaker 2: they are all looking to cover their asses, and it
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Speaker 2: cost people's lives, it cost people's property. There's a whole
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Speaker 2: section that they didn't deal with the fact that there
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Speaker 2: was a January first fire that they believe was reignited
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Speaker 2: to start the January seventh fire that was the very
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Speaker 2: disastrous one, and a bunch of firefighter whistleblowers were like, actually,
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Speaker 2: we didn't want to leave that fire because it seemed
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Speaker 2: like it might reignite, and lo and behold, that's what happened.
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Speaker 2: But no one's actually dealing with this, and there dding mister,
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Speaker 2: I'm waiting for Trump go out there and say that
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Speaker 2: that's the problem. By the way, the fire Aid concert
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Speaker 2: that raised one hundred million dollars, many many millions of
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Speaker 2: that just went to local NGOs doing lefty stuff that
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Speaker 2: has nothing to recovery. So well, it's all round, just
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Speaker 2: a beautiful story.
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Speaker 1: As we've learned in the last year, leftist NGOs make
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Speaker 1: the world go around, really the whole. They're the only
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Speaker 1: game in town if you want to be profiting from disaster.
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Speaker 2: But like to me, it's just it is upside down
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Speaker 2: world to have someone out there like running around the
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Speaker 2: country going let me lead, and this is his data point.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let me lead. I can't do it on
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Speaker 1: a small scale, but I assure you I'll succeed a.
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Speaker 2: Lot to be getting great at it at the at
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Speaker 2: the at the national level. No problem.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: I was also thinking in our last episode, we talked
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Speaker 1: about San Francisco and the San Francisco mayor basically said,
17:54
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people let San Francisco down
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Speaker 1: and it got really bad because they weren't enforcing their laws.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Gavin Newsom is one of the people he's
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Speaker 1: talking about. He's talking about the mayor Gavin Newsom, mayor
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Speaker 1: of San Francisco, and the way that he did not
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Speaker 1: enforce any crime laws over there and let things get
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Speaker 1: into a bad spiral. Again, if this is the guy
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Speaker 1: and Republicans can't take him down, yeah, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean, Like we deserve what we get if we
18:22
Speaker 1: can't beat Gavin Newsome.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: And another perfect example of how he's all about talking
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Speaker 2: and not about actually achieving anything is one year ago
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Speaker 2: he released he put out a tweet saying I've issued
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Speaker 2: an executive order to get rid of all the red tape,
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Speaker 2: and today he basically reissued the same tape. So the
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Speaker 2: first executive order didn't work, as you can see by
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Speaker 2: the number of houses rebuilt. The second executive order, I'm
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Speaker 2: sure will do the trick and is not just issued
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Speaker 2: to tell everybody he's doing something while nothing actually happens.
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Speaker 1: That's our Gavin.
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Speaker 2: He's something else man, and they're gonna let him do it.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna let him do it. Yeah, when you're a Democrat,
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Speaker 1: they let you do it.
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Speaker 2: Can I read you actually real quick the first paragraph
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Speaker 2: of this Atlantic piece so you can get a feeling
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Speaker 2: for the tone, please, Yeah, Gavin Newsom has a thirty
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Speaker 2: page file of reasons the Democrats lost the twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: four presidential election. Bounding across his Sacramento office, he starts
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Speaker 2: listing them incumbency, inflation, interest rates, Israel. And that's just
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Speaker 2: the letter I yes, two woke, He adds yes one
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Speaker 2: hundred and seven days, referring to the short campaign after
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden's force withdrawal. But the California governor distills his
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Speaker 2: party's problem down to one word. Week. You see, he's
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Speaker 2: a fighter. He's a fighter, Carol.
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Speaker 1: I see, I see that he's a fighter. He really
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Speaker 1: knows how to send the tweets. The tweets are, the
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Speaker 1: tweets are on fire fighting. Yeah, but the man himself
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Speaker 1: not so much, not so much.
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Speaker 2: So unimpressive to me. Yeah, god hair though, you know,
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Speaker 2: hairs off pitting to me.
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Speaker 1: My god, yes, the hair is so off putting. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, I I do not miss an opportunity when
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Speaker 1: we're talking about Gavenusome to throw in And I'm still mad,
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Speaker 1: bro that he was governor of California. His kids went
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Speaker 1: back to school because they went to private school and
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Speaker 1: the public schools stayed closed. And if we can't beat
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Speaker 1: gavenuwsome on that issue alone. I don't know what to
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Speaker 1: tell anybody.
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Speaker 2: He's also French laundry guy. Like French laundry guy who
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Speaker 2: went to the nicest restaurant arguing in the country. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: in the country, while the rest of us could not
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Speaker 2: go through a dang Chick fil a drive through right
20:31
Speaker 2: while we were.
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Speaker 1: Eating at inside outside restaurants and parking lots amazing stuff.
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Speaker 2: That guy who you're right, you gotta go beat him.
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Speaker 1: You gotta beat him. That's it. I mean, he's very beatable.
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Speaker 1: So let's do it. We'll be right back with one
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Speaker 1: more segment of Normally.
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Speaker 2: Stay with us, all right. We are back on Normally
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Speaker 2: with a repeating recurring theme in national media coverage, which
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Speaker 2: is republic In rifts. Yeah, there are always maga rifts.
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Speaker 2: We are always having fights. And while there are disagreements,
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Speaker 2: it turns out that the polling Carol doesn't exactly stand
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Speaker 2: up to the narrative.
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Speaker 1: We're not rifting. We're not rifting. I thought there were
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Speaker 1: rifts on the twitters. There's a lot of rifts, and
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Speaker 1: it turns out that the Republican Party in general there
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Speaker 1: has no idea what's going on. On X and does
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Speaker 1: not care.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is an important lesson for every.
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Speaker 1: All the time. Yeah, so let's roll the clip Harry
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Speaker 1: Enton at CNN talking about that rift.
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Speaker 6: Let me be very clear, there is no rift in
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Speaker 6: the Republican Party. Yes, there are some folks like Marjorie
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Speaker 6: Taylor Green and Thomas Massey are quite skeptical of this.
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Speaker 6: They are very much in the minority. What are we
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Speaker 6: talking about here, Well, why don't we just talk to
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Speaker 6: GOP On the US military, Houstein Maduro HIPSOS sixty five
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Speaker 6: percent support, six percent of pose. How about the Washington
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Speaker 6: Post WoT seventy four percent support, just ten percent a Post.
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Speaker 6: If you look among twenty twenty four Trump supporters, we're
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Speaker 6: talking about eighty percent support. The vast, vast majority of
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Speaker 6: Republicans are with Donald Trump on this issue. Massey and
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Speaker 6: Marjorie Taylor Green are very much in the minority. Very
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Speaker 6: few Republicans are with you say they're with him on
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Speaker 6: this issue? Do you even need those words this issue? No,
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Speaker 6: I don't need to work this issue because the bottom
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Speaker 6: line is this, Donald Trump has had an iron grip,
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Speaker 6: an iron grip on that Republican base for a long
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Speaker 6: period of time, and it is the same iron grip
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Speaker 6: that he had six months ago. I know, every so
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Speaker 6: often people are trying to say, oh, I spot these
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Speaker 6: these little riffs and the Republicans, oh, oh, you know, they're.
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Speaker 3: Finally starting to break.
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Speaker 6: They're starting to break from don Trump.
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Speaker 3: It ain't happen.
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Speaker 6: And at least when it comes to the approval writing,
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Speaker 6: look at this eighty four percent six months ago, eighty
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Speaker 6: five percent. Now, you don't have to be a mathematical
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Speaker 6: genius to know eighty five percent and eighty four four
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Speaker 6: percent of basically the same number. Eighty five percent is
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Speaker 6: one point higher than eighty four Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think he also showed some polling the other day
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Speaker 2: that showed overall, like a sixteen point increase in support
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Speaker 2: for the Venezuela strike after it happened versus like right
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Speaker 2: after people had found out. At me, it mean, well, yeah,
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Speaker 2: And so I think, as we noted on the show,
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Speaker 2: I think people underestimate a bit how much Americans appreciate
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Speaker 2: seeing competence and power in action and then succeeds like success,
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Speaker 2: and if it doesn't drag them into something that they're
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Speaker 2: more worried about, then yes, that will, that will be important.
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Speaker 2: But particularly among Republicans who are pretty comfortable with that.
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Speaker 2: And I think that is also a lesson for those
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Speaker 2: in the party such as a Massy a little bit
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Speaker 2: of Vance, who is more skittish about intervention than Trump,
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Speaker 2: is that often the voting public does not have as
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Speaker 2: many of the same concerns as they do.
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Speaker 1: Right, and look, you know they pulled Democrats and Independence,
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Speaker 1: and one third of Democrats supported the strike and sixty
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Speaker 1: five percent of Independence supported the strike. This was popular.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, nothing succeeds like success. And I admit
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Speaker 1: that I don't know that I would have been for
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Speaker 1: the strike before it happened, but I certainly was for
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Speaker 1: it after. It was a wild of success and that's
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Speaker 1: where most Americans will end.
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Speaker 2: Up well, and people could shift as we move through
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Speaker 2: this and we see what happens is unpredictable. However, let
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Speaker 2: me say this, and this goes back to our first
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Speaker 2: topic as well. One thing I like about this news
24:30
Speaker 2: cycle is that there is some real clarity from a
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Speaker 2: lot of people who really understand what socialism and communism
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Speaker 2: look like. All over social media saying you do not understand,
24:42
Speaker 2: here's what actually happens. There was a great free press
24:45
Speaker 2: bit where Daniel di Martino, who's a Manhattan Institute a fellow,
24:48
Speaker 2: went out or scholar went out and about telling New
24:52
Speaker 2: Yorkers who had voted for Momdanni, Okay, well this is
24:54
Speaker 2: what actually happens. And they all were like, huh right really,
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Speaker 2: And I think that education part, and the part where
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Speaker 2: people are unafraid to make these points on social media
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Speaker 2: right now and they are doing it with absolute moral authority,
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Speaker 2: that is a good moment.
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Speaker 1: It really goes a long way. Yeah. So look, you know,
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Speaker 1: is could MAGA split, I don't know if you know
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Speaker 1: that's that's definitely possible. Could the Republican party split frequently?
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Speaker 1: Does not? You know, Republicans love the infighting, but the
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Speaker 1: idea that there is a foreign policy split, even you know,
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Speaker 1: we mentioned Vance. Vance never says anything publicly that would
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Speaker 1: lead us to believe that he opposes Trump's actions. We're
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Speaker 1: just kind of left to like read his eyebrows sometimes,
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Speaker 1: like which I am an expert in same Yeah, look,
25:45
Speaker 1: I'm a poker player, Like I get what we're supposed
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Speaker 1: to think about Vance. It's just you know, and I've
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Speaker 1: mentioned this on my ex before, like if he has
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Speaker 1: a different foreign policy than Donald Trump. I'd love to
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Speaker 1: hear about it from him.
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Speaker 2: I would.
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Speaker 1: I don't think we should be guessing what the vice
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Speaker 1: president believes, but a lot of people think that they know,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of people think that it is in
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Speaker 1: opposition to the president, in which case I ask, does
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Speaker 1: the president know that his vice president doesn't support his actions?
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Speaker 1: You know, I'd love to know all about that publicly.
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Speaker 2: He definitely seems to be in line when.
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Speaker 1: Called upon exactly. Yeah, so you know whether he will
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Speaker 1: lead a more isolationist wing of the party going into
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Speaker 1: the next presidential election. I just don't think that is
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Speaker 1: a successful endeavor. Look, these numbers paint a picture of
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Speaker 1: who the Republican Party are, what they support, and I
26:43
Speaker 1: don't think it's that, you know, heart clutching, my gosh,
26:47
Speaker 1: Like we should never use our military might.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a constant deference to international law, as
26:55
Speaker 2: those less would like us to.
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Speaker 1: Indulge international law. Yeah, they could take their international law.
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Speaker 2: International law will let Maduro just sit there and torture
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Speaker 2: everyone for decades. But if you do something about it,
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Speaker 2: that's when international law has a problem.
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Speaker 1: Right, A law that can never be enforced, like international
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Speaker 1: law is not actually a law like let's just be
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Speaker 1: real here.
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Speaker 3: So well.
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