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Vanessa Beeley, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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Thanks for having me on Jim. It's good to be back on.
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I always enjoy talking to you anyway.
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Yes, I enjoy talking to you and every time I talk to you, you're
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in a different country. Well, that's not that's not
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exactly my fault, but yes, I am. Where are you now?
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Lebanon. OK.
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Last time I, I think when I spoke to you, I think you were,
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oh, you were in Lebanon last time I think, and then you were
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in Syria before that. Yeah, yeah, I think I spoke to
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you after the fall of Syria. Yes, I did, didn't I?
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God, I don't know, Like the the months are disappearing at the
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moment. How is life treating you?
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It's good as my friends here tell me, I'm the only white
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refugee in Lebanon, so that's that's the kind of badge of
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honour. Speaking of refugees, have you
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heard have you heard about white refugees from South Africa being
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given refugee status by Trump in America?
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Vanessa. No, I haven't, but somehow
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doesn't surprise me at all. Anything that Trump does is kind
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of we were talking about this this morning.
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You know, I mean, he he is comedy gold.
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Unfortunately, most of his comedy has very tragic
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consequences, as they are having now, of course.
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My microphone is off. Why do you say that?
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Why do I say that? Well, because, you know, in my
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opinion, Trump was, for example, brought in.
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Let me just lay the ground for this discussion because I don't
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believe there's any difference between a Democrat and a
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Republican president. I think there's a road map and I
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think presidents are chosen for their individual role on that
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road map in in that particular section of the road map.
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And I was saying this back as far as 2016 when I said it was
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very clear that Hillary Clinton would not be allowed to win
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because had she won, the entire resistance axis would have been
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very cohesive and very united against her because she was a
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known war criminal and and infanticidal maniac basically.
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So there, there wouldn't have been any confusion.
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However, when Trump won, everybody sort of went into this
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freefall of, oh, we can do a deal with Trump and that's his
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role, right? And and he's also, I would
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describe him as the economic battering ram.
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I mean, if you look at everyone during these last elections was
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arguing with me blindly that, you know, but he didn't start
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any wars. And I come back to the point,
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you can't look at the actions of one particular president.
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You have to look at it in continuity.
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And what did he do? He was basically going to put
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the US embassy in occupied al quotes in Palestine.
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He was going to gift the occupied Golan Heights since
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1967 back to to Israel. Basically instead of back to
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Syria. He assassinated the commanders
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Soleimani and Mohandas. Mohandas, the commander of the
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PMU, the the Popular Mobilisation Forces in Iraq.
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He introduced some of the most savage sanctions on Syria, the
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Caesar sanctions, which in my opinion were one of the main
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factors that led to the fall of Syria from that.
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That basically exacerbated the economic problems in Syria from
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2018 onwards. And he initiated the Abraham
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Accords, which of course was all about normalisation with so
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called moderate Sunni states with Israel.
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That of course had begun with the Camp David agreement back in
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1979 between Egypt and Israel. And of course, Egypt I perceive
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to be kind of the Ukraine of West Asia.
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It's completely in debt to Europe, the Gulf states, the US,
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the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, et cetera.
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It's it's no longer really a sovereign country from a from a
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governance perspective, in my opinion.
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And it's collaborative with Israel both in the genocide of
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the Palestinians and in profiting from that genocide.
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And then if we look at, you know, Biden's term, which
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everybody terms as the genocide term or Bomber Biden or Bomber
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Joe, whatever they want to call it.
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But in reality, yes, you know, Biden was heavily involved, of
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course, in pulling, pulling through the final solution
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against Palestinians, the the final genocide of Palestinians
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and the extermination of their presence from their own land in
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Palestine. But actually, he was relatively
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reticent in in handing bombs over to Netanyahu compared to
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Trump. And this was the argument that I
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was having with everyone when when Trump was elected, you
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know, everyone was telling me no, no, no, no, no.
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You know, he's going to end all the wars.
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He never started any wars, so he's going to end them all.
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And of course, he was elected on the promise of, of ending the
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NATO war against Russia and Ukraine, right.
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And basically, after Trump had been elected, Syria fell, you
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know, it, it fell in that in that period between his election
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and his inauguration. And, and again, it was very
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clear to me that something major was going to happen in that
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period. After Israel came to a ceasefire
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agreement, or rather, you know, another pseudo ceasefire
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agreement with Hezbollah, it became very clear to me at that
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point Israel would pivot towards Syria.
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But I didn't realise how quickly, I mean, literally
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before the ink had even dried on the ceasefire agreement between
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Hezbollah and Israel, the attack on Aleppo began the dawn of the
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the dawn after the ceasefire agreement.
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And then if we look at, you know, if if we go back to we
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were talking earlier about the 2009 strategic paper that was
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published by the Brooking Institute.
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I think that for me is the clearest example of how a road
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map works and how each individual president has a role
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on that road map. And Trump is at the the the
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final part of that road map, which is regime change in Iran,
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potential US invasion, if not an invasion, which I think they
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would be insane to try and do. But that's still one of the
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options in the paper. Certainly some kind of
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blitzkrieg bombing campaign against the alleged nuclear
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facilities of Iran, of course, again, under the pretext to
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prevent Iran having a nuclear bomb.
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I mean, this gag has been running for 30 years, but we're
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expected to believe it's really happening right now.
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So for me, you know, yeah, Trump.
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Trump is hilarious at times. I'm not going to deny that he
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makes me laugh, but for all the wrong reasons.
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I mean, you know, it's almost like we're living in such a
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dystopian universe where someone like him is in control of what
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is hurtling towards a potential nuclear war.
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And I'm not talking about Iran. I'm talking about Israel.
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There's a lot to unpack there. You were alluding to the UNI
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party, which of course seems to it gets lost, particularly on
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the Trump supporters because they believe he's playing 5D
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chess and we must trust the plan.
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Yeah. Absolutely.
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Yeah. But of course the whole thing is
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about a larger trajectory that goes back a number of decades.
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How far back do you think it goes, Vanessa?
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If. If we're talking.
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I know that JFK wasn't particularly excited about
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Israel. Well, he wasn't particularly
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excited about their secret nuclear programme.
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And that, in the opinion of many, is one of the reasons that
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basically he was assassinated. One of the reasons going up
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against the CIA, of course, is another one.
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But I mean, I see the two. It's pretty undivisible anyway,
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or indivisible. It's been, it's been going on
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really for decades. I mean, I would say, look,
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Israel was created as a barrier state in the Middle East.
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It was created to prevent the unification of the Arab States
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and the access to their own resources and, and basically
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independence and true sovereignty for the states in
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the region of West Asia. If you look at the placing of
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the Zionist entity, it's bang in the middle of kind of Syria,
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Lebanon, Egypt. So it acts as a barrier state.
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And Robert F Kennedy Junior made it very clear what Israel's role
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is. Of course, it's a military proxy
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in the region, but it also provides surveillance and
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interference. Very strong word there and very
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true. You know, Israel played an
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enormous role in in the final bringing down of Syria last
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year, but it also provides A bulwark against any expansion
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from any other nation that might threaten US supremacy globally.
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And that includes the Belt and Rd initiative from China.
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It includes Iranian expansionism, include it
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includes Russian expansionism. As we've seen, you know, Russia
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has pretty much, I won't say it's been driven out of Syria.
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I think it's negotiating like crazy actually with Israel to
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try and remain, try and remain at its base on the eastern
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coastal area in Syria. But it's been put under
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pressure, whereas that military footprint has been in Syria for
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the last, I think it's around 60 years now.
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I've got the Witch Path to Persia document in front of me.
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It's about 254 pages long. Funny thing is, most people
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don't know about it. No very quickly.
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What is it? It's basically a strategy paper.
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I mean, the Brookings Institute was started with Rockefeller
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seed funding. It has strong connections and
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the Ford Foundation, but you know, it has.
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Oh God. I mean, it has strong links to
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the State Department, to the Pentagon, to the CIA, it's
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working on Sustainable development goals.
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It in other words, it's pushing, it's pushing through all of the
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strategy that influences government policy just as in a
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way Chatham House does in the UK.
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Both of them very powerful influencing organisations, but
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Brookings Institute has offices in Doha, Qatar, Beijing and
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China and America. I think there's one other, oh,
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India, sorry, Delhi and and India.
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So clearly it's it's very strategically placed also.
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But the which path to purchase a strategy document, which I think
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was updated in 2016, lays out a series of methods by which to
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bring about regime change in Iran or or even complete
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destruction of Iran. And among those are the
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persuasion policy, which is related to the nuclear deal,
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which actually was initiated by President Bush back in 2005 and
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then of course, run with by Obama, abandoned by Trump.
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But all of this is is part of what they're talking about in
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the strategy documents. So that effectively what it's
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about is pushing Iran into a corner where it has to accept
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the coercion of the US and which of course, is always going to be
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in favour of the security of Israel in the region.
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Right. And so now we've seen the final
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chapter, which is Trump restarting the negotiations, but
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of course, again, changing the conditions of the negotiations
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mid negotiation, right? Which is what the US always
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does. It's what Israel always does.
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When we watch what they did with Hamas, just as Hamas has
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accepted a deal, they bring in another clause, which Hamas is
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never going to accept. And then they point at Hamas and
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say, yeah, but you're the unreasonable 1.
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And that's exactly what they've been doing with Iran.
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And they're trying to make Iran look unreasonable because they
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have a red line of saying, no, we, we do have the the green
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light to enrich our uranium. We do have a green light in our
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country to develop a missile programme.
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We're not like, which country on the planet is going to say,
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yeah, we'll just give up our missile programme.
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We'll just throw away our air defences and let the US come on
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in and steal our resources. I mean it's completely
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unrealistic, but the other chapters focused on internal
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destabilisation, which of course we saw back in 2022 with the so
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called women's rights protests. And I was actually in Iran
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during those or, or shortly after the height of those
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protests, travelling from city to city to actually take
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opinions from, from people within those cities.
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And then of course, the weaponization of terrorist
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groups like Mujahideen Al Khalq or MEK as people know them that
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are now I think are still headquartered in Albania.
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But of course, they're also situated in Azerbaijan on the
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border with Iran and, and still are a serious threat to Iran's
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territorial integrity to a large degree, or at least to the
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population. And then of course, finally
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there was this, this plan that if, if AUS invasion didn't work
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and if US ingression didn't work, then they would weaponize
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Israel against Iran. And, and the US would kind of
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go, Oh no, we have nothing to do with it.
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It's all Israel. While of course, providing the
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weapons, providing the equipment, the intelligence, the
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refuelling in order for Israel to, to be able to carry out the
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aggression against Iran. And that's exactly what we're
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saying right now. The brilliance of the Brookings
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Institution and other organisations like them is that
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they're just think tanks, Vanessa, They don't, they don't
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actually do anything. They just, they just write down
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stuff and they and they suggest it, you know, have a look at
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this and tell us what you think. So they can never claim
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responsibility for anything. No, of course not.
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No, no, no, no. Everyone works on a basis of
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plausible deniability from the government down, right?
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We saw this in Syria when when the West was producing all of
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these NGOs like the White Helmets that were effectively
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carrying out their work. And of course, ultimately al
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Qaeda itself, right, was it was a plausible deniability project
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because even though anyone that doesn't now know that the West
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was funding al Qaeda and ISIS to overthrow the Syrian government,
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they haven't been awake for the last 14 years.
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But you know, effectively that The thing is that this isn't so
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different. What the Brookings Institute was
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laying out a strategy to bring down Iran.
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It's not really any different to what they did in former
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Yugoslavia, what they did in Iraq, in Libya, in Syria and so
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on. It's just on a much bigger
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scale, right? And if you remember General
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Wesley Clark when he was talking about the seven countries, his
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his statement was to finish off with Iran.
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So, you know, because Iran ultimately is perceived by the
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West and by Israel and by the Israeli alliance, so the Arab
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Gulf states as being the head of the resistance axis.
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And actually there, there's an interview with Jolani in Arabic
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back in 2015. And you have to remember that
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Jolani, who's now the unelected president of Syria, al Qaeda
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junta in, in Syria and is now known as Ahmed al Shaddam
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because he changed his name to avoid the 10 million bounty on
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his head. That's how I see it anyway.
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Just as they changed the names of all the terrorist groups to
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avoid, you know, persecution for, for, for the crimes they
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committed against humanity in the region.
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But in 2015, he basically said, look, the plan is we'll cut the
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hands of the resistance. That's exactly what has been
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happening since October the 7th. And then eventually we'll go
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after Iran. And, and he was talking about
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the fact that he could basically deploy hundreds of thousands in
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his opinion of tech theories both inside and outside Iran to
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lead a destabilisation campaign against Iran.
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So this also can't be written out because Jelani is
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channelling the strategy of his handlers and his handlers, of
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course, as we know from recent events, or the MI 6, the CIA,
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the MIT, the intelligence agencies in Turkey, but
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definitely led by the MI 6 from from a sheer intelligence
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perspective. The resistance.
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Who is the resistance and what are they resisting?
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What are they resisting? The resistance has grown
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effectively out of the oppression of the Zionist
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regime. So from Palestine to Lebanon to
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Syria to Iraq, I mean, Iraq, even the government in Iraq
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still doesn't recognise the state of Israel, which might be
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surprising to some because of course it's been heavily
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colonised by the United States that has established its
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military bases on Iraqi territory from 2000 onwards.
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Yemen, of course, I mean Yemen is an entire state resistance
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against the Zionist crimes in the region.
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And Iran. And then of course you do have
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countries outside of of that axis, if you like, which include
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Venezuela, Cuba, I'm going blank on some of the other countries,
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but there are countries, even Serbia, Algeria, for example,
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that are pretty steadfast Tunisia in supporting the
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Palestinian cause. And Hezbollah was actually
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created after Israel invaded Lebanon in the 80s.
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Hezbollah was created in response to that.
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In Syria, of course, it's a more complex relationship because
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Syria to a large degree took in a lot of the Palestinian
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refugees. And again, unknown to many, they
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were given a full residency and full citizen rights.
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But they weren't given citizenship because Syria
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believed that they should have the right to return.
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So they didn't want to jeopardise that potential for
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them to be able to return to Palestine.
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And Syria also harboured many of the early Hezbollah groups that
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were being formed to oppose Israeli occupation of territory
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in pretty much all of the region.
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Iraq, the same you, you have again, people describe them as
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Iranian proxies like Kataib Hezbollah, for example, like the
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PMF, the Popular Mobilisation Forces or sometimes known as the
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PMU also, but they've been pretty much integrated into the
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Iraqi military. And even in 2017 I met with
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Commander Mohandas in a press delegation.
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And as he pointed out, and, and the same goes for Hezbollah.
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It's not only an Islamic resistance, there are
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Christians, there are Muslims from other denominations within
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the group itself. So it's, it's very misleading,
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first of all, to say it's Iranian proxy, it's an ally of
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Iran, and to say that it's a sheer Islamic Movement.
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It isn't. And, and in Yemen the same.
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I, I would not even say that they're followers of the same
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branch of Islam as Iran. They're very different.
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And in Yemen you have the Shafi and the Zaidi, which are
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equivalent to the Sunni and the Shia fighting side by side to
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prevent the genocide in Palestine.
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But you didn't tell me what it is that that they are resisting.
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They're resisting Zionism and and imperialism.
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I mean, colonialism and Zionism, yes.
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I'm not sure what else they should resist.
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I mean that that is the cancer in the region.
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You know no country in the region is safe while Zionism at
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both as a movement and as a regime in occupied Palestine
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exists. It sounds like you're speaking
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in code is another way of saying what you're saying.
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The following They are resisting the state of Israel.
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Well, the existence of Israel. Yeah.
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I mean, I would argue whether it's a state or not, it's an
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occupying force which is settling on Palestinian lands.
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So Israel doesn't have a right to exist.
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It has the the this is no the state of Israel, in my opinion,
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does not have a right to exist. It was superimposed on
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Palestinian territory by the British and effectively by the
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UN in the end. It's a.
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Partition Palestine, yes, post Balfour treaty 1917 right?
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I mean who gifts a country to a people to a people without a
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country you know. And if we get into the Zionist
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movement itself, I mean when it began in in the late 1880s, it
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was described by the majority of Jews as being another anti
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Semitic cult. So, but the important point to
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make here is that it's not only about Israel, it's about the
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entire Zionist movement. And the Zionist movement which
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effectively pushed through the occupation of Palestine by the
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Zionist movement is also effectively capturing U.S.
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government, UK government. You only have to look at the
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2030 road map. I keep banging this drum between
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Israel and the UK to understand to what extent the Israel is
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embedded now in every single sector of society in the UK and
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in the US and they're managing those societies.
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Unit 8200, which is the spy unit of the Israeli security
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services, which has just been bombed multiple times by Iran,
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is responsible not only for operations in the region but
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even further afield, right. I don't know if you remember the
25:12
story about the Pegasus spyware that was put onto the phones of
25:16
of journalists. That's Unit 8200.
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Many of, for example, in the UK, Oracle, which is storing data
25:25
from the Ministry of Defence, the Ministry of Health,
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government sectors and so on, originated with Unit 8200 and in
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Israel. So that's the extent to which
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they are now part of the surveillance systems that are
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taking over our world today and capturing our world today and
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capturing populations today. So in a sense, how I see it,
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it's a global resistance which is being represented by the
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resistance axis here. But people are not making that
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connection. They're, they're only, they're,
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they're reducing the argument down to it being the region
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against Israel or being against the existence of Israel.
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And nobody is against the existence of Jews.
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Pre 1917, Jews, Muslims, Christians coexisted perfectly
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peacefully in all of the region, including Palestine.
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In Syria there was a large Jewish population until they
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were basically encouraged to go and settle in Palestine.
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And of course, then by extension, you have the Greater
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Israel Project. Yeah.
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I mean, the, the Greater Israel project is again, I, I would
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probably focus more on the clean break doctrine, which was
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written up effectively by members of the CIA and
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intelligence institutions and agencies in the US commissioned
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by Netanyahu back then. Of course, he's been pretty much
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in, in a position of power for at least 30 years since in fact
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the whole nuclear development in Iran gag began.
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So that gives an indication also of his role in what's going on.
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But the clean break doctrine effectively talks about having
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to take out Iraq and install U.S. military bases to threaten
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Syria and the rest of the region, including Iran, and to
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partition the rest of the region into smaller states that can be
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controlled by Israel more easily.
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And of course, we're seeing that now in Syria, which is in effect
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being broken up into unrecognised partitions.
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But nevertheless, that's that's the direction in which it's
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travelling right now. And to maintain a sort of
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strategic chaos in surrounding countries, but also to ensure
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that all of these countries do not have the military
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capability. This is very important now or in
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the future, far into the future, to threaten Israel's security in
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the region. And that of course, is one of
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the reasons that Israel, while I was still in Damascus, was
28:22
bombing every single military installation in Syria, including
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naval, Air Force, air defence, military bases, development
28:31
centres and so on. Because Syria was responsible
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really for the manufacture and supply of weapons to the
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resistance in Lebanon and Palestine for many years.
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Actually, I mean Iran also, but Syria was one of the main
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support units for for the resistance there.
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And so, yeah, Greater Israel, which is expanding rapidly.
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Now with the fall of Syria, of course, Israel most immediately
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expanded into southern Syria. And the plan is to create what
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they call the David's Corridor up the eastern border of Syria,
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extending into Iraq and as far as the Euphrates, which of
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course brings them also very close to the border with Iran in
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the future. I've got the Brookings path to
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Persia dock in front of me, as I said earlier.
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And Chapter 5 is titled Leave It to BB, allowing or encouraging
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an Israeli military strike. And it's about and it's about
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the US supporting or even, as they say, permitting Israel to
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conduct a military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.
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And this was written in 2009. Yep, exactly.
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I mean, it's insane, right? And, and The thing is because we
29:52
were talking about this on UK column on Wednesday and as you
29:59
said, most people are unaware of this even in the region here.
30:03
And, and I think this is what these think tanks do.
30:06
They they put out these strategy papers, as you said, plausible
30:09
deniability, etcetera, for the for the government.
30:12
Oh yeah. But, you know, we didn't write
30:13
all this and on the basis that most people are not going to
30:20
read it or investigate it or follow up on it.
30:24
You know, just as the John Hopkins stuff before COVID,
30:28
there's multiple instances of this.
30:31
I mean, you know, you have to have a lot of patience to trawl
30:34
through even all the WikiLeaks documents, for example, which
30:37
also give a lot of insight into US upcoming U.S. policy in the
30:42
region, Right. Yeah.
30:46
And, and of course, what has what has Trump done?
30:48
He's and, and, and leading up to what's happening now, of course
30:51
you had Trump falling out with BB.
30:53
Yeah, right. You know, and everyone falls for
30:56
this. Theatre.
30:59
Yeah, it's pure theatre and it's I, I always say this, you know,
31:03
people, we have to focus on the direction of travel, the main
31:06
road, not keep taking these side roads that they create for us to
31:10
be distracted by or diverted by. You know, and everyone was kind
31:16
of taking the hopium at that point and and kind of like, Oh
31:19
yeah, you know, Trump's going to fall out with Bibi and that's
31:22
it. And that's the end of Netanyahu.
31:24
Even if it's the end of Netanyahu, it's not the end of
31:26
the project. And and this is another thing,
31:29
you know, people instil all of this evil into one person.
31:35
They do it reverse as well because Assad was carrying out
31:38
all the crimes against his people in his country, right?
31:41
So was Gaddafi, so was Saddam Hussein.
31:45
And, and, and that's how they, they criminalise and demonise a
31:49
target nation by Hitlerising the leader.
31:54
But of course, it it happens also the other way around that
31:57
if, if the US wants deniable plausibility from what Israel is
32:02
doing, it points the finger at Netanyahu, but knowing full well
32:06
they're going to support him in what he's doing, right.
32:09
I mean, Trump was supplying laser guided missiles prior to
32:13
the attack on Iran essentially for this attack.
32:18
So this whole, this whole negotiation drama, the whole
32:22
falling out with BB, this was all buying time in my opinion,
32:26
for the US to supply Israel with what it needed and also to move
32:30
their own hardware into position.
32:33
One of the reasons that they left Yemen, apart from the fact
32:36
it was going to bankrupt them. The overwhelming Christian
32:42
support for the attack on Israel, on Iran and this the
32:47
overwhelming blind patriotic support for Israel when there
32:53
aren't even Israeli citizens or or aren't even Jews is is a very
33:01
strange occurrence. And it's 10s of millions of
33:05
Christian Americans particularly, and I know that
33:08
many in in the UK also, in fact right across the West.
33:12
Yeah, of course. I mean Christian Zionists, which
33:15
is a complete oxymoron anyway, outnumber Jewish Zionists.
33:21
I can't remember the exact number, but it's it's a big
33:24
difference, right? It's a big gap between the two.
33:27
And that was another thing with the Trump administration.
33:29
I mean, it's packed full of Christian Zionists.
33:32
And of course they believe. I call them they are the
33:35
Armageddonistas because they believe in the the necessity of
33:39
an Armageddon to bring about the second coming of Christ.
33:43
And that is where. All of yeah.
33:46
And that's where all the idea about Al Kurds and the closing
33:50
down of the temple and so on and and the building of their own
33:54
temple over it, ETC. That all comes from that as
33:58
well. And if you look at Netanyahu's
33:59
language, of course, since the beginning and the war against
34:03
the Amalek, even the AI genocide programmes have names like
34:07
Lavender and Gospel. Do you know what I mean?
34:10
It's, it's like he's, he's, they're subliminally imprinting
34:13
this idea into people's minds. But the reality is that real
34:17
Christians in the region, apart from in Lebanon, you do have the
34:22
Lebanese Forces or the Phalanges who actually collaborated with
34:27
Israel back during the Sabra and Shatila massacre, when they were
34:31
the ones that actually carried out the massacre of the
34:33
Palestinians in Lebanon. So they are still kind of wedded
34:39
in, in a sense. They are Christian Zionists
34:41
here, but the majority of the Christians support the
34:45
resistance. Yes, but it's created also a
34:49
very strange sociopathic behaviour in that I cannot
34:55
believe how many Christians I have encountered who who support
34:59
just bombing, just mass bombing, wipe out Gaza.
35:02
You know we must wipe them out because we need to protect
35:05
Israel. It is.
35:07
I mean I I have recommended it before.
35:10
There is a film called Israelism, which I think came
35:12
out last year, which demonstrates how hatred is
35:18
programmed into particularly Israeli kids, but Zionist kids
35:23
worldwide from kindergarten upwards.
35:26
So through the education system they are literally brainwashed
35:29
into dehumanising Palestinians or believing all Palestinians
35:33
are terrorists, etcetera, etcetera.
35:35
But it's a complete dehumanisation programme which
35:39
then entitles them to exterminate, you know, the, the
35:45
people whose land it originally was.
35:47
I mean, it's just, it's, it's extraordinary.
35:50
And it's very hard to, I mean, it's very interesting now to see
35:55
the, the refugees from Israel arriving.
36:00
I saw a video today arriving in Cyprus and there's a welcome
36:03
committee basically chanting Palestinian chants at them as
36:07
they get off the boat. You know, what the Israeli
36:11
government or the Zionist movement effectively is doing to
36:14
Jews worldwide is stigmatising them entirely.
36:20
And it's, you know, the, the entire argument of anti
36:23
Semitism. Well, whose fault is it?
36:26
You know, if you're going to carry out terrorist attacks from
36:29
1936 onwards against the British, against regional
36:34
entities, against what do you expect if you're going to
36:38
violate international law, if you're going to develop a, a
36:42
secret nuclear weapons, if you have an option in your political
36:48
armoury that says if anyone threatens the existence of the
36:52
state of Israel, you can use nuclear weapons against them.
36:57
I mean, you know, it's endless. I mean, if we get into the rape
37:01
of Palestinians in prisons, the ritual abuse, the fact that
37:05
Israel is a paedophile heaven and that is being reported by
37:09
Hebrew media, not by Western media or conspiracy theorists.
37:13
People literally are converting to Judaism to escape prosecution
37:17
in the US and they're moving to Israel because there's no
37:20
questions asked and the the paedophilia can continue, the
37:24
child abuse can continue. And there's been recent
37:28
articles, reports coming out even in Israel, Hayam of ritual
37:33
Satanic abuse of children by the most extremist Jewish cult.
37:42
You know, So it, I'm, I'm not quite sure what to say because,
37:47
because this belief in their own entitlement, in their own
37:51
superiority is something that would, that should worry all of
37:54
us, whether you're Christian, Jewish, atheist.
37:59
I mean, it's insane. Why are the neighbouring Arab
38:04
countries just not doing anything?
38:08
What do you mean by neighbouring?
38:12
Well, you know the argument that the yeah, they just don't care
38:17
about Gaza, for example. Well, I mean, look, I don't even
38:23
really consider the Arab Gulf states to be Arab.
38:26
I mean, you know, they, they were, most of them were formerly
38:29
colonies of Britain and or protectorates of Britain.
38:33
The whole area was carved up again and and these smaller
38:37
states were manufactured that survive on oil revenue.
38:42
And so therefore, they are effectively another form of
38:45
proxy in the region of Western hegemony, in my opinion.
38:52
I mean, I think it's Mohammed bin Salman put out a statement
38:55
last year saying that he doesn't really care about Palestine, but
38:58
his people do. So he has to toe the line.
39:02
And of course he's he's withholding on the normalisation
39:05
process with Israel on the basis that a state is created for
39:12
Palestine. But a state on what?
39:15
On, on what piece of rubble are you going to now create a state?
39:18
Because while Gaza is being bond into oblivion, the West Bank is
39:24
being further encroached upon and people are being ethnically
39:30
cleansed from there. But it's kind of dropping below
39:32
the radar a little bit because of the horrors that are
39:35
happening in in Gaza. None of these states are going
39:39
to come to the rescue of Palestine.
39:41
None of them, as I said, Egypt, which which is what it's over
39:45
100 million population now. And historically it was pro
39:49
Palestine. I mean, under President Gamal
39:52
Abdul Nasser up until Sadat, it was a steadfast and its support
39:58
and solidarity with Palestine. But that was destroyed post
40:01
1979. And if we come forward now,
40:05
Sisi's mafias are running the border control between Egypt and
40:12
Gaza and, and they're, you know. They're extorting vast amounts
40:17
of money from Palestinians that want to leave for hospital
40:20
treatment. I think even at the beginning of
40:22
the war it was 5000 per head, 2000 for every child.
40:26
And by the way, they were only given a three month visa, not
40:30
not any kind of residency or permanency or safety in Egypt.
40:34
So if they're caught, they're refugees.
40:36
They'll be returned back to Gaza.
40:38
That's the humanity from Egypt. But is Israel really on the back
40:45
foot? I mean, it's got the full
40:46
support of effectively NATO. Yeah, yeah.
40:51
I mean, what was that? Chancellor Metz said the other
40:54
day that Israel is fighting Germany's war.
40:57
I'm not. I really can't quite figure that
40:59
one out. I didn't know that Germany was
41:02
at war with Iran. But anyway, you learn something
41:06
every day. And, you know, Germany's
41:09
supplying weapons to Israel right now for the war against
41:13
Iran, which is just extraordinary for me.
41:18
Yeah, of course it's backed by NATO.
41:21
But, and, and there is some indicator that the US is going
41:26
to join the war, which of course, again is written into
41:30
the Brookings Institute policy document that once Israel has
41:35
gone in, then the US has, you know, it has a decent pretext to
41:40
be able to join the war on behalf of Israel.
41:42
And, and we have actually been seeing in the Washington Post
41:45
reports of Israel running out of interceptor missiles.
41:49
It's only got 12 days left to be able to cope with the incoming
41:53
Iranian missiles. Its air defence systems are
41:57
burning out, which is true. There have been videos of, of
42:00
air defence systems basically exploding under the pressure of
42:03
keeping firing missiles while Iran is is bombarding them, you
42:08
know. But there is there are
42:11
indicators, particularly from Seymour Hersh that I is a
42:15
journalist who on occasion or very often channels the CIA and
42:21
he's talking about the US getting involved this weekend.
42:24
There have also been high level meetings between Trump and and
42:28
video meetings, conferences between Israel and the US in the
42:33
last 24 hours. And the, again, the indicator is
42:38
that they're going to try and bond the Fordo nuclear plant
42:43
with the B50 twos because of course, Israel doesn't have the
42:46
B50 twos that can drop the bunker Buster bombs.
42:49
So it needs the US to come in for that.
42:51
So the US is basically now, you know, again, promulgating the
42:57
idea that Iran has nuclear weapons.
43:00
Now even the bunker Buster bombs, because I've been looking
43:03
into this this morning, are not capable of actually going deep
43:07
enough to hit the four door centre because it's something
43:11
like 80 metres underground. The bunker Buster bombs at best
43:15
will go to a depth of 60 metres. So we don't know.
43:21
And of course the, I, the IAEA is now saying no, no, no, no,
43:26
Iran never had a nuclear programme, having actually
43:30
started the war effectively by saying that Iran was not
43:33
complying with IAEA inspections and so on, which, you know,
43:39
demonstrates the extent to which the IAEA is a, is another proxy
43:44
of the US. But I think just to come back to
43:47
you, your point about Israel, I think if the US does enter, then
43:53
the region will enter. And by the region I'm talking
43:57
about Islamic resistance. Iraq will start attacking.
44:01
They've already started attacking US bases.
44:04
There are factions, brigades even in Saudi Arabia, which that
44:09
of course they call Hijaz because they don't agree with
44:11
the Saudi Kingdom Qatif, which is a brigade in Saudi Arabia
44:18
itself. The Muslim Brotherhood has put
44:21
out a statement saying that they fully support Iran.
44:25
So you will see and I'm sure that the resistance factions
44:29
here in Lebanon and Palestine and and Iraq, even in Syria,
44:33
because people are not aware there were 100,000, an estimated
44:38
100,000 Syrian Army soldiers that left Syria when it fall and
44:43
have gathered in the neighbouring countries and have
44:46
been trained and equipped and and are ready to go.
44:50
So there's also potential in that circumstance for there to
44:54
be action in Syria also against Geolani, in my opinion.
45:02
So how does this game of chess get played?
45:07
We have to wait and see. I'm, I'm not a 5D chess player,
45:10
unlike Trump. You know, we have to.
45:13
If the US goes in, then we're going to.
45:15
Then we're going to be bracing here for some serious shit to be
45:22
let loose, basically. But I mean, His Royal Majesty
45:26
Donald the Christ Trump did send out a message demanding that
45:31
that that the whole of Iran surrenders.
45:36
Do you know how silly that is? I mean, it's just this is my
45:40
point, You know, I mean, he's he is Comedy Central, but in a not
45:44
in a very good way. I mean, look, the Supreme
45:47
Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, just, I, I mean, I don't know
45:49
how he didn't laugh during his statement, but he said, look,
45:52
telling the Iranian nation to surrender is not a rational
45:55
statement. And that's the understatement of
45:57
the year. I mean, it's like it's kind of
46:01
beyond irrational, but this is what Trump does.
46:04
Well, we know Trump was being very serious because he typed it
46:07
all out in uppercase letters too, with lots of exclamation
46:10
marks. Yeah, exactly.
46:12
Yeah, but I mean. It's almost like a Monty Python
46:15
sketch. Now compare that to, I don't
46:21
know, Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin.
46:23
How are they viewing this whole story?
46:28
You know, Russia, I mean, Russia has a strategic partnership with
46:34
Iran that was signed finally this year.
46:38
But interestingly, or maybe not interestingly, if you understand
46:42
Russia's relationship with Israel is that there's no mutual
46:45
defence clause in that agreement.
46:47
And Russia has been very clear that it will not come to the
46:50
defence of Iran in in the case of any war.
46:53
And of course, the war is really only ever going to be against
46:57
Israel and the US. So that is completely
47:00
understandable from my perspective.
47:04
However, yes, they're offering to mediate, they're offering to
47:07
negotiate. And of course, we've seen that,
47:09
we've seen phone calls going between Putin and Trump along
47:13
those lines that Putin will step in to mediate, etcetera.
47:16
But you know, I don't know. I, I think to some degree, I
47:21
mean, the Iranian ambassador in Moscow has actually criticised
47:24
Russia for, for not coming to their aid.
47:30
Could that be a smokescreen? Possibly, possibly.
47:33
It could be that Russia is back channelling weapons into Iran,
47:40
China the same. China will always keep clear of
47:43
direct conflict. However, as we saw in the recent
47:47
skirmish between India and Pakistan, China is supplying
47:51
weapons to Pakistan which were very successful against NATO
47:55
weapons used by India. I mean horribly successful,
47:59
embarrassingly successful really for for NATO weaponry and
48:03
manufacturer, right. So Pakistan has come very
48:08
strongly out in support for Iran.
48:11
So is there potential, in my opinion, I'm speculating for
48:15
China to be supplying weapons to Pakistan and for Pakistan to
48:18
then be helping Iran, right. So I, I think while we're not
48:24
going to see any direct support for Iran except through
48:29
statements which have been relatively strong, I mean, Putin
48:32
sort of bashed the IAEA today or yesterday basically saying, you
48:38
know, it was ridiculous. I mean, most people are in a
48:41
state of disbelief. Like, what on earth are you
48:43
doing? Of course, if they'd read the
48:44
Brookings Institute paper, they would know exactly what's going
48:47
on, right? But I think, I think, I mean,
48:50
China condemns what Israel is doing.
48:52
However, China is extremely pragmatic.
48:56
It does a huge amount of trade with Israel, does a huge amount
49:01
of trade globally. And it's not going to, to
49:06
directly get involved, as I've said, but I, both of them may
49:10
get involved through a third party, in my opinion anyway.
49:14
And of course, what we have to remember if Iran falls, heaven
49:19
forbid, and I, I do think it's very unlikely Iran is, you know,
49:25
it's a vast country. I was looking at the figures
49:27
today. Palestine in total is 28, 1000
49:33
or 28,100 square kilometres. In Iran 1.648 million square
49:39
kilometres. I mean it's vast, it's huge.
49:45
You know, the idea of the US invading this country is, is
49:49
just completely insane for me. But of course they will use
49:53
familiar tactics as they did in the 1st 8 hours, which were
49:58
frankly horrible to hear and watch with the internal
50:03
operations by Mossad proxies by Mossad operatives themselves.
50:09
And the lack of air defence for about the first six hours was
50:13
horrific. I mean for us watching from here
50:16
it was horrible. But they recovered very quickly
50:20
actually. Sorry, I kind of lost track on
50:22
the question. What happens if Israel falls?
50:29
If Israel falls, peace comes to the region.
50:32
But I, I don't, I think we're a long way off that happening
50:36
because Israel has the support of the US, the UK, the French,
50:40
the, you know, just the Germans, the Gulf states.
50:45
I think if there were any threat to Israel would probably come
50:50
into line in a sense of collaborating with whatever,
50:55
whatever shape the region takes after that.
51:01
But yeah, it's going to be it's, it's not going to be a fast war.
51:04
This is going to be a very long drawn out war in my opinion.
51:08
It's not something that's going to be resolved overnight.
51:12
I mean, will it ever end? Is it actually just a forever
51:14
war? Well, it's interesting in that
51:21
bookings document, I, I can't remember what they call it at
51:25
the end. Containment, right, deterrence.
51:27
And so first of all, deterrence and then containment that if
51:32
everything fails, basically what they will try to do is to
51:37
contain Iran within its borders, which is kind of ironic because
51:41
I'm not aware of Iran building military bases outside it
51:45
borders that threaten any other country and deter Iran from a
51:51
nuclear programme. Which is also ironic because
51:54
they haven't had any intention of having a nuclear programme
51:57
except for, you know, civilian infrastructure programmes using
52:02
nuclear energy and so on. So it's, it's interesting
52:07
they've written that in almost as if, well, if it does become
52:13
untenable, they have a get out clause where they can basically
52:17
go back to in a sense, square 1 until another opportunity
52:22
arises. And what I was going to say, of
52:24
course, if Iran falls, not only is the the region itself under
52:28
threat, but Russia and China. And, and so that's where I don't
52:33
think Russia and China are, are going to entirely isolate Iran
52:37
in this. I think they will find a way to
52:39
support, but it's going to be through third parties.
52:45
This is just my opinion on this. And in no stage have we heard
52:51
anything about African countries and where they stand.
52:57
Well, you're probably better placed to tell me that.
53:01
I mean, I know Burkina Faso Ibrahim Trolley is is.
53:05
Well, I mean, South Africa took Israel to to court.
53:09
Yeah, it did. It did.
53:12
But what happened? Well, obviously nothing, yeah.
53:19
I mean, this is no, it, it was an astounding initiative by the
53:23
South African lawyers. But you know, it takes a very,
53:29
very, very strong government to stand up to Israel because
53:33
effectively you're standing up to the the entire Western
53:37
cartel, right? Venezuela has done it.
53:42
Maduro has been putting out some very, very strong statements.
53:45
And of course, they're in the crosshairs also have been for
53:48
for decades, Cuba the same. So, you know, I, Yeah, sorry.
53:56
No, sorry. Go on.
53:57
Go on. No.
53:58
No, that's it. I was going to say the very
54:06
acutely aware Will and have pointed out that the countries
54:11
you mentioned, Venezuela, Cuba, etcetera, etcetera, they all
54:13
fall into the legacy communist bloc.
54:17
Do you think it has anything to do with with that also?
54:21
Communist or socialist? I mean, they're kind of on the
54:25
same side of the fence. Yeah, I think, no, I, you know,
54:29
I prefer to look at it through the prism of what is happening
54:35
in the world Today is a war against what I call the little
54:38
people, right. I mean, you've discussed this
54:41
with multiple guests on, on your show, the rise of the
54:46
surveillance state, the technocracy, the, the tyranny of
54:50
pharmaceutical companies of, of the ruling elite, basically
54:54
whatever you want to call them, the predator class, the
54:56
billionaire club. Which is another reason that I
54:59
never understood why people would support Trump as much as
55:02
they did, you know, blindly. I mean, after all, he's selling
55:05
the US out to Palantir, which is effectively going to turn the US
55:08
into a kind of AI surveillance state overnight.
55:15
So I tend to say it if if you want to, I'm not much of A
55:19
political labeller, right? I, I tend to see it as the war
55:25
to actually retain what is human within all of us within
55:30
humanity. And that generally speaking
55:34
means the protection of and the defence of the working class,
55:40
the the, the poorer sections of society and the educated
55:45
classes, largely the middle class, which of course has been
55:48
eroded in many countries deliberately because they were
55:51
the class that traditionally were informed enough to inform
55:57
others, in my opinion. Right.
56:01
And so the resistance comes from a push back against this, what
56:10
is another branch of neocolonialism, another branch
56:12
of feudal system that is being imposed on the world today, the
56:17
plungering of resources and, and bringing it under privatised
56:21
control, which of course only feeds profit into the ruling
56:25
elite. So for me, as, as I say so many
56:30
times, it's a global war. But the problem is that many
56:33
people haven't connected the dots and, and, and these
56:36
arguments of, well, it's all to do with communism, It's all to
56:39
do with socialism, It's all to do with capitalism, in my
56:42
opinion, are just another part of, of the divide and rule
56:47
paradigm, which keeps us either against something because we're
56:52
against communism, or simply not understanding the cohesion
56:59
globally of what people are actually resisting, even if
57:04
they're actually not making that connection themselves.
57:08
And, and that's where I think we as analysts and commentators
57:12
have to start bringing into people's minds this idea of it
57:18
being a global resistance against what is happening.
57:21
It's a transnational war against us as human beings.
57:26
And we're being, look, we've watched genocide live streamed
57:32
across our phones, our laptops for almost 2 years now.
57:40
That's a complete, you know, that that's what is that
57:43
destroying? I mean, certainly mentally I, I
57:46
feel absolutely destroyed by it because the, the, the sense of
57:53
powerlessness and helplessness. But why do I live here?
57:58
Why when I left Syria did I not come back to the EU or the UK?
58:03
Even people in Syria were telling me like, get out of the
58:05
region, like everything's going to go up in flames after this,
58:09
right? I didn't want to leave.
58:12
Why? Because people here understand
58:14
what what the fight is. They understand what they're
58:18
fighting and they understand what they're fighting for, which
58:24
is a better world. It really is a better world.
58:27
It's as simple as that. And it doesn't mean it has to be
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an Islamic world. It doesn't mean it has to be any
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kind of denomination world. It just has to be a deeper sense
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of our own humanity and unity as a world.
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And and that's something, you know, what Iran is doing is what
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no other country apart from Yemen has done so far.
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None country. Sorry, I, I mean by country, I
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mean state. So I'm not talking about the non
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state actor resistance faction, just in case people get confused
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with that. I saw a data point recently
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about how many wars Iran has created in the last few decades
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and it's almost none. Like, it's like 1-2, I don't
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know, 3-4, something like that. And then next to it is the US,
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and it looks like, it looks like vaccine stats.
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Yeah. And I wonder sometimes if people
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just become oblivious to the idea that the enemy often lies
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within. Yeah, definitely.
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Within as in within your own country or within as in as an as
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an individual? If if you, if you look at social
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media or just the media in general, or if you just listen
59:59
to Trump, America is the saviour, the saviour of the
1:00:04
world. And they are bringing democracy
1:00:07
and peace everywhere. And the evil people are those
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brown people in the Middle East. And that's.
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Uneducated or or the undeveloped but yeah OK.
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How old is the? Oppressors of women and all that
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sort of thing, and. Did you did you see the Iranian
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anchor at the Iranian broadcasting?
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If you're talking about the oppression of women, go watch
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that clip when when Israel actually bombs the IRIB and she
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keeps broadcasting and like 10 minutes after the bomb hit her
1:00:42
studio, she's back broadcasting. Don't tell me about disempowered
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women in Iran. They're some of the strongest,
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scariest women I've ever dealt with.
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I tell you they're they're awesome.
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I mean, you know, it's the same here.
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Anybody that knows Modoa Osman will tell you.
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I mean, she's a fire breathing dragon, right?
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And, and she's amazing. I love her, but she's one of the
1:01:06
most powerful women I know. And and that's what people just
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don't understand. Like, hang on a minute.
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Western culture is talking about aborting babies full term.
1:01:16
It's talking about assisted dying.
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It's talking about transgender movements that are destroying
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women's movements and then destroying women's empowerment.
1:01:27
Like, come on, like let's take a look at our own society.
1:01:30
Why are we always so fast to point the finger at other
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societies and cultures that we don't understand?
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That's the point. I've been to Iran.
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I don't have to wear a veil. Even the language in Western
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media, like you have to be veiled.
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You don't have to be veiled. You just have to put a scarf on
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your head. And if it falls off, no one says
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anything. By the way, no one gives a shit
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if you're walking in the markets, you know.
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Sorry. To be fair, if you look at if
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you look at the state of western society now and and how fat
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people have become, I think they should all be be fully covered
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up. You should do a cartoon about
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this. That's a perfect.
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That's a perfect topic for it, actually.
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Actually, that's not a bad idea. Vanessa, how can I follow you?
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You can follow me most of all on Sub Stack, of course, that UK
1:02:25
column. Every Wednesday I'll be on the
1:02:28
news and we're also doing a couple of new projects at UK
1:02:32
column trying to bring in this concept of global resistance
1:02:36
and, and covering the region in more depth.
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So Substack, UK column, Telegram and Twitter.
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YouTube is always so precarious. I don't like really like telling
1:02:47
people to go there because I'm quite sure they're going to pull
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it at some point. On that note, Vanessa BD, thank
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you for joining me in the trenches.
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Thank you so much, done. That was fun as always.