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Joe Musgrove joins Friar Territory · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: There we go. Look at this, that's Joe Musgrove. Hi, Joe,
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Speaker 1: great to see you, Joe, Darren, Darren, Joe, it's been
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Speaker 1: a you said, you sound great. You look great, the
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Speaker 1: bright yellow and I love these colors. You're popping here.
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Speaker 2: I found the right backdrop for you.
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Speaker 1: You've found the great back Welcome to the debut show.
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Speaker 1: My my new co host on Friar Territory on the
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Speaker 1: Foul Territory Network, that is Darren Smith.
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Speaker 2: So what's going on? Darren?
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Speaker 3: Take it away, Joe, it's been too long.
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Speaker 2: How you been. I'm doing well, man, doing well. Nice
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Speaker 2: to be back in camp.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like the radio show now, except you know,
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Speaker 3: you can cuss and not get us in trouble. So
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Speaker 3: that's all good.
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Speaker 2: There we go. Love that.
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Speaker 3: Like Marty said, you look good man, these spring training colors.
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Speaker 3: I gotta say it like seriously, like they are popping.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they look good.
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Speaker 3: Man, sure, absolutely, Actually chus it feel?
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Speaker 4: How do I feel? I feel pretty good man. You know,
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Speaker 4: I don't think I'm I'm back at one hundred percent.
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Speaker 4: I don't think I'm done with this rehab or I
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Speaker 4: don't consider myself done with the rehab yet I think
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Speaker 4: this is going to kinda kind of be an ongoing
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Speaker 4: thing for who knows how long. But you know, my
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Speaker 4: perspective on a lot of things is like, in the end,
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Speaker 4: I'm going to get where I want, and if I'm
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Speaker 4: not where I want, it's not the end. I'll just
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Speaker 4: kind of keep working until I feel like I'm in
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Speaker 4: a spot where I don't have to think about this anymore.
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Speaker 4: I don't have to put the same amount of time
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Speaker 4: and hours into getting myself ready, and I can kind
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Speaker 4: of just go out and perform. But I feel good
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Speaker 4: right now, balls coming out of my hand good. I
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Speaker 4: don't feel like I have, you know, many hesitations with
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Speaker 4: a lot of my stuff. I feel like it's, you know,
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Speaker 4: it's plain how I want it to play. I'm seeing
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Speaker 4: the metrics and the movement that i want to see.
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Speaker 4: So I feel like I'm in a good spot. For
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Speaker 4: February eighteenth, Joe, you threw it about if I'm true,
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Speaker 4: I'm for reason, dude, So I'm sorry if I'm chattering
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Speaker 4: a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Joe, you threw you threw in a backfield. I think
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Speaker 1: on Monday, right, I think you and Michael King r
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Speaker 1: on the same field when all this on the chaos
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Speaker 1: was breaking at Padre's camp with Adripoler's extension. What were
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Speaker 1: you able to do and what was it like just
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Speaker 1: being back through on the mound again.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my first time facing hitters again in
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Speaker 4: sixteen months, I think something like that. So yeah, a
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Speaker 4: lot of excitement and I think, you know, for me,
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Speaker 4: it was mentally preparing myself for the excitement and the
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Speaker 4: adrenaline and making sure I kind of pulled the reins
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Speaker 4: back on myself and cut myself under control and just
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Speaker 4: use this as, if you know, an opportunity to get
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Speaker 4: some hitters in the box and see some reactions, see
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Speaker 4: some swings against my stuff, but not go out there
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Speaker 4: and try to be a hero and impress people in
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Speaker 4: my first time back, just mainly you know, check some
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Speaker 4: boxes off and you know, kind of take that next
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Speaker 4: step forward.
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Speaker 3: John, I'd like to follow up on that. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I think that we know physically, you know, how difficult
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Speaker 3: it must be to go through what you just went
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Speaker 3: through and to work your way back, and how rewarding
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Speaker 3: it must feel to be back where you should belong.
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Speaker 3: Can you talk to us a little bit about mental
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Speaker 3: challenge though of what you had to go through, because
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Speaker 3: I think the physical stuff, you know, we all sort
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Speaker 3: of have a grasp of it, but mentally, like, what
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Speaker 3: is that like to have to go through everything you
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Speaker 3: went through, even just to get back to this point
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Speaker 3: and then also to continue where you want to go?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I feel like I handled it pretty well.
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Speaker 4: I think the most important thing is, you know, the
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Speaker 4: perspective going into the surgery. You know, I was fortunate
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Speaker 4: to have like maybe a seven to ten day window
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Speaker 4: between the injury and the surgery, uh where I got
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Speaker 4: to kind of go through and experience all the emotions
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Speaker 4: and you know, kind of feel sorry for myself for
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Speaker 4: a minute, you know, and then pick myself back up
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Speaker 4: and look at what I had ahead of me, and
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Speaker 4: you know, start mentally preparing for that, knowing that's going
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Speaker 4: to be challenging. There's going to be times where I
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Speaker 4: don't feel great. There's going to be frustrating times where
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Speaker 4: I can't figure out what I need to fix to
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Speaker 4: get myself feeling better. But I think the preparation going
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Speaker 4: into that allowed me to you know, have a consistent,
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Speaker 4: you know, one track mindset of you know, just constantly
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Speaker 4: progressing and being okay with having a bad day and
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Speaker 4: not letting affect me mentally, I think was the most
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Speaker 4: important thing. Like physically, the days were very unpredictable. You know,
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Speaker 4: there was a good stretch of time where I just
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Speaker 4: couldn't understand why I'd wake up feeling amazing some days
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Speaker 4: and some days I couldn't grab the bill of my hat.
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Speaker 4: I was in so much pain. So it was frustrating,
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Speaker 4: it was difficult, But I think mentally I prepared myself
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Speaker 4: for all those things, and that allowed me to kind
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Speaker 4: of take it with a grain of salt and just
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Speaker 4: keep moving forward and you know, not not get hung
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Speaker 4: up too much on you know, the occasional bad days
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Speaker 4: or the bad stretches. So I think one of the
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Speaker 4: most difficult things is as the deadline for you know,
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Speaker 4: the end of last year coming up and the possibility
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Speaker 4: of maybe pitching in the postseason, you know, not feeling
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Speaker 4: great in that last month and a half leading into
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Speaker 4: that was starting to like wear on me a little
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Speaker 4: bit because you know, I knew where I needed to get,
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Speaker 4: and like as that date came closer and closer, it seemed,
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Speaker 4: you know, further and further away a physically, like it
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Speaker 4: just seemed unattainable, and you know, I would a little
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Speaker 4: bit of love to see us go further into playoffs,
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Speaker 4: but I think having us eliminated and not having the
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Speaker 4: opportunity to pitch was probably best for me, because you know,
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Speaker 4: if we make it to the CS and into the
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Speaker 4: World Series, I could very well see myself forcing my
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Speaker 4: way into those games and you know, maybe lying a
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Speaker 4: little bit about how I felt just to be a
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Speaker 4: part of it. So probably best.
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Speaker 2: For me that I didn't pitch.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I was just wanting the results so bad
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Speaker 4: and not getting them was like the very difficult, you know,
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Speaker 4: frustrating part, especially with the work I was putting in. Man,
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Speaker 4: I was I was working and working and working and
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Speaker 4: like putting in doubles every day to make sure I
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Speaker 4: had a chance to pitch in the postseason, and it
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Speaker 4: just things weren't turning around how I wanted to, so frustrating.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to interrupt you there, but you're like, you're
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Speaker 1: the ultimate team guy. And when you knew that Michael King,
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Speaker 1: we didn't we didn't know his status, but he was
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Speaker 1: going to make it back for the postseason, and you,
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Speaker 1: Darvis was bulding something. Did you try to put more
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Speaker 1: pressure on yourself to come back because of what other
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Speaker 1: guys in your rotation were going through.
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Speaker 4: Not so much. Not so much for that reason. I
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Speaker 4: mean maybe a little bit of it, maybe, like subconsciously,
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Speaker 4: I felt like that was part of my job, was to,
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Speaker 4: you know, step up and fill that role, and I
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Speaker 4: think a lot of people were kind of counting on me.
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Speaker 4: And it's hard because I guess, back to your last question,
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Speaker 4: one of the hardest things is having people constantly ask you,
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Speaker 4: you know, how you feeling, are you going to be back?
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Speaker 2: Are you going to be ready?
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Speaker 4: And trying to answer that honestly, it was very hard
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Speaker 4: because if I was honest, I wasn't be like, hell, no,
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Speaker 4: I feel like shit, you know, but maybe I won't
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Speaker 4: feel like shit in a week. Maybe I will feel
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Speaker 4: better in a month, but just kind of lying to
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Speaker 4: people and be like, yeah, I feel good.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm in a good spot.
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Speaker 4: You know, stuff's coming out, and my bullpens were good,
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Speaker 4: but it was the recovery, Like I wasn't bouncing back
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Speaker 4: from those feeling very good. So trying to be honest
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Speaker 4: with people was very difficult. But yeah, towards the end
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Speaker 4: of the stretch, it was more of a personal, a
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Speaker 4: personal thing that was, you know, eating at me. It's
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Speaker 4: like I'd set this goal out and I'd worked so
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Speaker 4: hard and I had gotten so close, and then that
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Speaker 4: last month and I took a left turn and wasn't
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Speaker 4: feeling as good, and I felt like all these plans
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Speaker 4: that I had and like this high spirit of like
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna have a chance to pitch, we're starting to
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Speaker 4: dwindle away. So I think it was more like the
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Speaker 4: selfishness of wanting to get in there and wanting to
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Speaker 4: be a part of it. That was the more the
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Speaker 4: contributing factor to me pushing.
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Speaker 3: And can I just ask a follow up on that, Joe,
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Speaker 3: just generally speaking, not specific to the injury, but just
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Speaker 3: like the mental side of the game, the mental side
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Speaker 3: of dealing with what comes with being.
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Speaker 2: A big leaguer.
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Speaker 3: Right, we all hear the all the great benefits of
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Speaker 3: travel and money and all that sort of stuff, and
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Speaker 3: it sounds amazing, but there is another side of it,
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Speaker 3: is that something over your career that you've worked on,
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Speaker 3: like do you do you do anything you know, as
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Speaker 3: much as you work physically to get yourself prepared for
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Speaker 3: these games, are there things that you've learned over the
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Speaker 3: span of your career that have helped prepare you mentally
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Speaker 3: for the job that you have.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I've worked with, you know, a number of different people
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Speaker 4: over my career. But one of the things I started
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Speaker 4: when when I was fourteen years old was a program
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Speaker 4: called Hefling, and this was a it's a form of
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Speaker 4: tempo karate that's less about the martial arts aspect and
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Speaker 4: more about the mindset aspect. This guy, Gus has the
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Speaker 4: short version of this is a guy named Gus Hefling,
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Speaker 4: goes over to China, lives there for nine ten years
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Speaker 4: and studies with the Sila Warriors, who were a group
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Speaker 4: of warriors that protected the Chinese emperor. And they used
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Speaker 4: to go through this training program every day that they
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Speaker 4: would do for forty five minutes before they got into
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Speaker 4: their martial arts and it was like a warm up
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Speaker 4: program for them. So there is a very physical aspect
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Speaker 4: to it, but the idea is that you're locking the
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Speaker 4: mind in and you're focusing on each individual movement you know,
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Speaker 4: as its own thing, and you know staying focused on
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Speaker 4: the tasket hand and not letting the outside or inside
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Speaker 4: interferences affect that tasket hand. And this is a program
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Speaker 4: I started doing at fourteen years old, and back then,
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Speaker 4: I think I saw it more as like a physical
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Speaker 4: training thing.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 4: I was just always pushing to, you know, to physically
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Speaker 4: get myself in good shape and you know, be the
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Speaker 4: best at it. And I didn't really understand what the
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Speaker 4: purpose of the workout was as I got older, and
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Speaker 4: I've continued to do this program, you know, since I
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Speaker 4: was fourteen. Now I'm understanding what the purpose of it
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Speaker 4: is and how you can challenge yourself mentally to stay
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Speaker 4: focused during this entire workout and not let your mind wander,
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Speaker 4: you know, not anticipate how long is this exercise going
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Speaker 4: to last, or what exercises next, or maybe I can
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Speaker 4: take a little break here because it's getting hard and
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Speaker 4: I know there's more to come. So it's really like
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Speaker 4: self awareness and finding out, you know, where you kind
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Speaker 4: of set traps for yourself and how you'll convince yourself
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Speaker 4: out of doing certain things. And it's ultimately like that
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Speaker 4: your mind will give up on yourself before your body
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Speaker 4: will give up. So that's kind of the basis of
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Speaker 4: everything that I do and the foundation of me as
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Speaker 4: an athlete. And then since then, I've worked with a
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Speaker 4: number of different breath coaches. You know, I did the
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Speaker 4: deep end fitness stuff underwater for a couple of years,
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Speaker 4: and all those things just you know, create new awarenesses
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Speaker 4: and develop different traits that you know, I've been able
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Speaker 4: to add into my game. But for me now, it's
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Speaker 4: kind of like just become part of me. So everything
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Speaker 4: that I do, I kind of take that mindset, whether
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Speaker 4: it's doing dishes, you know, washing the car. It's like
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Speaker 4: I got to try to take a strong, detailed aspect
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Speaker 4: and everything that I'm doing, and that stuff just kind
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Speaker 4: of becomes who you are and it translates into baseball
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Speaker 4: and everything that I do.
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Speaker 1: So are you this intense at everything that you approach
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Speaker 1: because it it seems like it. It seems like a
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Speaker 1: little bit. And by the way, I apologize to you
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Speaker 1: for the number of times I asked you last season, Hey, Joe,
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Speaker 1: what do you think? What do you think?
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Speaker 2: Most seasons?
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Speaker 1: No, I feel terrible, like, oh my gosh, harassing you.
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Speaker 3: Let me just get Marty. I'm feeling great, Marty.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, A lot of its teammates too, though.
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Speaker 4: I mean, like the guys care for you, and as
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Speaker 4: a teammate, you're always you know, your conditioned to like
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Speaker 4: check in on your guys and then you know, show
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Speaker 4: that you care and that you're curious of where they're at.
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Speaker 4: But you know, it becomes more of a hassle than anything.
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Speaker 4: You know, it's I almost want people to just fuck
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Speaker 4: off and let me work, you know. But yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 4: it is kind of something that I am very intense
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Speaker 4: in a lot of things that I do, and I
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Speaker 4: try to take pride in everything I do, whether it's
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Speaker 4: fold and laundry like I said, or dishes or whatever.
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Speaker 4: And like the dish thing came up the other night. Uh,
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Speaker 4: my fiance tends to turn tends to look for the
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Speaker 4: most efficient and the quickest route to do things.
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Speaker 2: And I'll be pissed off.
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Speaker 4: If there's you know, grease left on a pan, or
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Speaker 4: there's you know, a piece of silverware that's not shining.
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Speaker 4: And she's a big she's big on the dishwasher. I'm
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Speaker 4: a big hand washer. So yeah, it's not it's not
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Speaker 4: a very serious thing, but I found myself, you know,
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Speaker 4: it's easier for me to stay in this mode than
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Speaker 4: it is to turn it on and turn it off,
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Speaker 4: you know.
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Speaker 2: So it's kind of just become who I am.
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Speaker 3: This This like Joe Musgrove, He's just like us. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's like the same exact conversation I have at my
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Speaker 3: house about the dishes. But neither here nor there, Joe.
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Speaker 3: One are the you know for you coming back now
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Speaker 3: coming out? You know, And one of the things I'm
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Speaker 3: always also fascinated in is, you know, the trajectory of
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Speaker 3: a major league or especially a pitcher right early on
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Speaker 3: in your career. I don't know how accurate a site
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Speaker 3: like baseball Savona is, but you know, you were kind
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Speaker 3: of a different guy than than you were towards twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty four in terms of pitch election and percentages.
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Speaker 2: What are you expecting from yourself?
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Speaker 3: Do you did you use this time to say, hey,
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Speaker 3: maybe there's a couple of things that that you know,
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Speaker 3: like I can evolve on, or there are things that
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Speaker 3: I want to work on, or there might be a
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Speaker 3: new version of me. Not to share trade secrets, but
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Speaker 3: are there things that you know you would recognize it
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Speaker 3: maybe some things that we won't when we see you
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Speaker 3: back out there.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, you know, the usage might change a
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Speaker 4: little bit. You know, in the past, I'd always had
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Speaker 4: this concern of like overusing the break and ball one
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Speaker 4: because the break and balls had good action, but I
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Speaker 4: wasn't very consistent on like locating them, throwing them to
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Speaker 4: back doors, throwing them to you know, the front hip
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Speaker 4: a certain hitters. So it was more just like setting
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Speaker 4: up middle and ripping pitches and just relying on the
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Speaker 4: nastiness of the pitch, not necessarily a location or the
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Speaker 4: you know, the time of when I'm using them, and
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Speaker 4: for health reasons, like I just didn't think that I
14:02
Speaker 4: could sit there and rip off slider after slider after
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Speaker 4: slider and not have any consequence from it. So always
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Speaker 4: like kind of health related and then you know, just
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Speaker 4: trust in the pitch that I didn't have back then.
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Speaker 4: And then in the end of my twenty twenty season
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Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh, you know, they talked about what a good
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Speaker 4: pitch my curve ball was and that I should be
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Speaker 4: using a little more. And I had just kind of
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Speaker 4: been middle of the road pitcher, you know, mid foors
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Speaker 4: vra just kind of very average. I threw a lot
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Speaker 4: of strikes, but you know, gave up some damage here
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Speaker 4: and there, so I made an adjustment in with a
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Speaker 4: sixty game season, I was like, this is a chance
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Speaker 4: to kind of go out there and pitch with a
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Speaker 4: heavier you know, break and ball percentage in a shorter
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Speaker 4: season where I'm not going to have to sustain this
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Speaker 4: for thirty two starts. I just got to put it
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Speaker 4: out there for twelve and I got really good results
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Speaker 4: from it. And throughout that process, I you know, changed
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Speaker 4: my arm motion a little bit. I shortened up my
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Speaker 4: arm action in the back a lot, which made me
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Speaker 4: more consistent and put my arm in a better position
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Speaker 4: to stay healthier.
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Speaker 2: And I got really good results.
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Speaker 4: So traded over here in twenty one and AJ had
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Speaker 4: a few ideas after talking to the pitching department about,
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Speaker 4: you know, using the sinker more to lefties and doing
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Speaker 4: things that were very outside of what I had ever done.
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Speaker 4: And I kind of fought back on it, you know,
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Speaker 4: I was like, I don't throw my sinker to lefties.
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Speaker 4: You know used to tell me to throw it. I
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Speaker 4: just that's not a pitch I've ever thrown. I'm not
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Speaker 4: comfortable with it. And I went out in spring and
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Speaker 4: I think I threw to Kansas City and gave up
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Speaker 4: like seven runs, and I said, well, that's what happens,
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Speaker 4: and I throw the sinker to lefties, you know, just
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Speaker 4: kind of like.
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Speaker 2: And I wanted it to work, you know, like I
15:32
Speaker 2: wanted it to work. It just wasn't.
15:33
Speaker 4: So I kind of went back to my way of pitching,
15:36
Speaker 4: and I was like, you brought me here to be successful,
15:39
Speaker 4: and this is how I know how to do it.
15:40
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not shutting that down completely, but I
15:42
Speaker 4: don't want to come in here and like completely lose
15:45
Speaker 4: all the ground I had made up in the last
15:46
Speaker 4: year with the break in balls and stuff. So I
15:49
Speaker 4: kind of went back to my game plan and they
15:51
Speaker 4: saw how it worked and how it played, and you know,
15:54
Speaker 4: gave me a few adjustments on the sweeper. We started
15:56
Speaker 4: throwing the sweeper a little more, and that just kind
15:59
Speaker 4: of became who I was. So coming back this year,
16:02
Speaker 4: I mean, off of surgery, I don't expect to be that,
16:05
Speaker 4: you know, fifty percent of breaking ball guy anymore, at
16:08
Speaker 4: least not.
16:08
Speaker 2: Right out of the gates.
16:11
Speaker 4: But I did work a lot on delivery and like
16:14
Speaker 4: trying to trying to improve on my fastball. I feel
16:16
Speaker 4: like I had good results with the fastball because I
16:19
Speaker 4: didn't use it a ton, so when I did show it,
16:22
Speaker 4: it was kind of a surprise pitch to people, and
16:24
Speaker 4: I usually located really well so I can get it
16:26
Speaker 4: to the spots I want. But the metrics of the
16:28
Speaker 4: pitch and the performance of it wasn't great. I just
16:31
Speaker 4: had decent results on it. So I put a lot
16:33
Speaker 4: of work in on just getting a true fastball that
16:36
Speaker 4: had a little more ride and carry and something that
16:38
Speaker 4: I can use to the top and bottom of the zone.
16:41
Speaker 4: And then you know, started really working on that synker
16:44
Speaker 4: to the lefties, which is still going to be a
16:46
Speaker 4: very sparingly used pitch, but something that I can use
16:49
Speaker 4: on the inner half to lefties, you know, guys that
16:51
Speaker 4: tend to lay off of the inner half, or if
16:54
Speaker 4: I'm not getting guys to chase the breaking balls to
16:56
Speaker 4: the back foot, it's something that I can use to
16:57
Speaker 4: kind of re engage them, show them that, you know,
16:59
Speaker 4: if it's arts in it's not always going to be
17:01
Speaker 4: a ball. I can run something back over the plate
17:03
Speaker 4: that'll be a strike and just kind of re engage
17:05
Speaker 4: hitters in the at bad. So I'm not sure how
17:08
Speaker 4: it's going to look. I think a lot of it's
17:09
Speaker 4: going to be dictated on how I feel physically, you know,
17:12
Speaker 4: what I'm capable of doing. If I feel capable to
17:14
Speaker 4: throw the fifty percent break and ball, I'd love to
17:16
Speaker 4: go back to that, but I just don't know if
17:18
Speaker 4: that's going to be doable right out of the gates.
17:20
Speaker 4: So it's going to be a lot of, you know,
17:22
Speaker 4: just trial and error and seeing how the body responds.
17:25
Speaker 1: You made it clear to us Joe at FanFest, that
17:27
Speaker 1: you were going to be smart about about pushing yourself
17:30
Speaker 1: and when you're going to come back, and that you
17:32
Speaker 1: would maybe you would skip a start, but with the
17:34
Speaker 1: whole goal, you want to be ready when the games
17:36
Speaker 1: count September and October. So how how important has it
17:40
Speaker 1: been for you to be honest with with Craig Stammon,
17:43
Speaker 1: with Rubin Diebola and what to you?
17:46
Speaker 2: What?
17:46
Speaker 1: And I know you map beings out, you have an
17:48
Speaker 1: idea when everything's going to happen. What are you envisioning
17:51
Speaker 1: as the best way for you to proceed?
17:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they it's a lot of credit to them.
17:58
Speaker 4: They've really given me, putting a lot of trust in me.
18:04
Speaker 4: I told Rubin, you know, and stamming at the start
18:07
Speaker 4: of camp, I said, I want you to treat me
18:08
Speaker 4: as normal as possible, and let me tell you when
18:11
Speaker 4: I need a break or when I need a day,
18:13
Speaker 4: and they were on board with that.
18:14
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like that is the best way.
18:16
Speaker 4: If you have a picture that understands himself and you know,
18:18
Speaker 4: as a hard worker, and it's doing the things that
18:20
Speaker 4: he needs to do, I think you should give him
18:22
Speaker 4: some trust to like, hey, I need a day and
18:24
Speaker 4: like now's the time for it, or like I feel good,
18:26
Speaker 4: let's keep pushing. So it's going to be just a
18:29
Speaker 4: lot of back and forth for us, but yeah, ultimately
18:31
Speaker 4: I want to be ready, you know when the games
18:33
Speaker 4: start counting, you know, whether that's in April, you know,
18:37
Speaker 4: first game of the season, end of March, or if
18:39
Speaker 4: that's you know, a month into the season. The idea
18:41
Speaker 4: of me making thirty two starts this year might not
18:44
Speaker 4: be realistic. You know, one hundred and eighty innings might
18:46
Speaker 4: not be realistic. So if that means I got to start,
18:49
Speaker 4: you know, two three weeks into the season, I'm fine
18:51
Speaker 4: with that. If I'm good on opening day and I
18:53
Speaker 4: got to take a break, you know a little bit
18:54
Speaker 4: before also great, I'm fine with that. It's just going
18:56
Speaker 4: to be how am I going to get myself to
18:59
Speaker 4: be sharp and feeling strong still when September October comes.
19:02
Speaker 4: So I don't really know what that looks like yet,
19:04
Speaker 4: but I got a few ideas of how we're going
19:06
Speaker 4: to do it based on how I'm feeling at the time.
19:08
Speaker 1: I know you're manager. Craig Stamman today talked about the
19:10
Speaker 1: idea of a six man rotation, and by the way,
19:13
Speaker 1: speaking of that six man rotation, there's a law in
19:15
Speaker 1: of candidates for the fifth and that sixth spot. I
19:19
Speaker 1: know what it's like for the media and the fans
19:21
Speaker 1: watching the past five days. What was it like for
19:23
Speaker 1: guys in that clubhouse seeing the whirlwind of movement from
19:27
Speaker 1: aj Peller?
19:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, exciting. I mean, you know, you know, the saying
19:31
Speaker 4: like you can never have enough starting pitching. I think
19:36
Speaker 4: everyone looks at the opening day rosters and you know,
19:38
Speaker 4: you look at how strong everybody's lineups look and how
19:40
Speaker 4: strong the rotations look, and you know, it's very rare
19:43
Speaker 4: that those things stay consistent throughout the whole year. There's
19:46
Speaker 4: constantly injuries, there's lack of performance, there's you know, family
19:51
Speaker 4: issues that happen, people might have to step away for
19:53
Speaker 4: a little bit. So I think everyone in here is
19:55
Speaker 4: under the understanding that, hey, if it's not me right away,
19:57
Speaker 4: it's going to be me at some point, and keep
20:00
Speaker 4: myself ready. I think, you know, maybe for some of
20:03
Speaker 4: the guys that are on the brink of making the rotation,
20:06
Speaker 4: you know, the four or five guys, you know, could
20:09
Speaker 4: be a little more stress for them. Now there's more
20:11
Speaker 4: competition in camp, but I mean, I don't think more
20:13
Speaker 4: groups that shives away from that.
20:14
Speaker 2: You know, I think we're.
20:17
Speaker 4: We're very clear on what's expected of you here, and
20:19
Speaker 4: I think guys are going to compete the same way,
20:21
Speaker 4: whether they have more competition or you know what we
20:23
Speaker 4: started with when Spring started. So I love it though
20:26
Speaker 4: we got you know, a lot of guys that have
20:28
Speaker 4: been really good in the past and have had success,
20:30
Speaker 4: and you know, maybe are coming off injuries. You look
20:32
Speaker 4: at Walker and Herman, even Griff, you know, those guys
20:35
Speaker 4: are all coming off some significant injuries. And Bullers had
20:39
Speaker 4: a couple a couple of years back now, and you know,
20:41
Speaker 4: Marquez one year back. But you know, knowing how I
20:44
Speaker 4: feel coming off with Tommy John and you know, seeing
20:47
Speaker 4: what they've gone through since being back in the games.
20:49
Speaker 2: It's not easy.
20:50
Speaker 4: So you know, sometimes it takes that two year two
20:54
Speaker 4: and a half year mark until you start feeling like, God,
20:56
Speaker 4: I feel like normal again, Like I can really let
20:57
Speaker 4: the ball go. And a part of it is like
21:00
Speaker 4: you've got to figure out how to throw again. You know,
21:01
Speaker 4: the elbow, the structure your elbo is different, so nothing
21:04
Speaker 4: moves how it used to move. The timing of your
21:06
Speaker 4: delivery is off now because things aren't able to take
21:08
Speaker 4: the same force that they were right away. So in
21:11
Speaker 4: a sense, you kind of got to reteach yourself how
21:13
Speaker 4: to pitch. And it's difficult, especially when you're used to
21:16
Speaker 4: doing things a certain way for so long and now
21:19
Speaker 4: everything changes and you've got to find a way to
21:20
Speaker 4: still get out at the highest level at petition. So
21:26
Speaker 4: and especially when you're in season, like time to city
21:30
Speaker 4: and contemplate and over evaluate and think, because sometimes you
21:34
Speaker 4: just got to get it and go and figure it
21:36
Speaker 4: out on the fly as you're moving. So I think
21:39
Speaker 4: those guys are are proven big leaguers that have had
21:42
Speaker 4: a lot of success, and I think they can have
21:44
Speaker 4: success again. I think with the staff we got here
21:46
Speaker 4: and you know Ruben's team of guys, I think they'll
21:49
Speaker 4: they'll fit right in.
21:51
Speaker 3: I would Joe Musker of the Pottery fan have felt
21:53
Speaker 3: about seeing Walker Bueller come walking in putting on the
21:56
Speaker 3: brown and gold.
21:58
Speaker 4: I think they gladly welcome it. Man, I would gladly
22:00
Speaker 4: welcome it, you know. I think as a ballplayer, man like,
22:04
Speaker 4: we love this game so much. I don't think it's
22:07
Speaker 4: easier for a fan to say, how could you go
22:09
Speaker 4: play for the other side. But as a ballplayer, you're
22:11
Speaker 4: trying to make money, provide for your family, and you
22:12
Speaker 4: don't want to walk away from the game. And if
22:14
Speaker 4: that's the only opportunity you got, I think you take it,
22:18
Speaker 4: you know.
22:18
Speaker 2: And I think there's always a little more.
22:22
Speaker 4: Animosity from the fan base towards each other than there
22:25
Speaker 4: is from players in one another. I mean, there's a
22:27
Speaker 4: there's a there's definitely a thing between us and the Dodgers.
22:30
Speaker 4: You know, we don't care for them too much. They
22:31
Speaker 4: don't care for us. But it's not this pure level
22:34
Speaker 4: of hatred that you see from some of the fan base.
22:37
Speaker 4: You know, we all understand we're playing the same game here.
22:39
Speaker 4: We're all here for the same reason, and there is
22:43
Speaker 4: a lot of crossover. So at some point you're going
22:45
Speaker 4: to play with these guys in the same clubhouse. Sometimes
22:47
Speaker 4: you play on the other team, so there's always.
22:50
Speaker 2: A certain level of respect that you carry for one another.
22:52
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's probably it's probably some good conversation on
22:56
Speaker 4: Twitter right now, but for us in.
22:58
Speaker 2: Here, we're welcome. We're welcome in with open arms. Good. Yeah,
23:02
Speaker 2: that's what I was saying.
23:03
Speaker 3: Put yourself back in the seats as a fan. Craig
23:06
Speaker 3: Stamman obviously great teammate, great human being. You guys are
23:09
Speaker 3: all on the record talking about your affection for him.
23:12
Speaker 3: What's it been like with Craig Stamman as a manager.
23:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been good. Our camp's been great so far.
23:18
Speaker 4: I think Craig understands the flow of a camp and
23:21
Speaker 4: how you know, some guys prepare really well in the offseason.
23:24
Speaker 4: You know, they're five six, seven days a week prepping
23:27
Speaker 4: and getting ready. Some guys a little bit less. But
23:29
Speaker 4: going from you know, most guys are running a Monday
23:32
Speaker 4: to Friday schedule and having the weekends off to coming
23:34
Speaker 4: into spring and now it's every day for thirty days straight,
23:37
Speaker 4: you know, leading into his one hundred and sixty two
23:39
Speaker 4: game season. You know, it's very easy to wear your
23:42
Speaker 4: guys out in spring and you know, pick up little
23:45
Speaker 4: injuries just by being out on the cleats and being
23:47
Speaker 4: on the field longer than you need to be. So
23:49
Speaker 4: I think he's run a really good schedule here and
23:53
Speaker 4: minimize some of the some of the time that we
23:55
Speaker 4: spend on the field, which ultimately allows guys to invest
23:59
Speaker 4: more in their individual work. I mean, you look at
24:01
Speaker 4: our fields in the morning, there's every single field is
24:04
Speaker 4: taken and everybody's out there getting early work in, which
24:06
Speaker 4: is where you really get better as a player. You know,
24:09
Speaker 4: the individual early work where it's just you and your
24:11
Speaker 4: coaches and you're working on a specific part of your game.
24:14
Speaker 4: And then you get together for the team fundamental and
24:16
Speaker 4: you know, in our camp, those are ten minutes. You know,
24:19
Speaker 4: it's real quick in and out, make sure we're all
24:21
Speaker 4: working as a unit well together. But I've been part
24:24
Speaker 4: of other camps where we spend thirty five forty minutes
24:26
Speaker 4: on the on the group fundamental stuff, and then nobody
24:28
Speaker 4: wants to go out and do early work. No one
24:30
Speaker 4: wants to get their individual stuff because you're just beat
24:32
Speaker 4: it's like a lot of stuff in the day. So
24:35
Speaker 4: I think the schedule right now is allowing everybody to
24:37
Speaker 4: get out there and get their individual work work on
24:39
Speaker 4: the things that they specifically need work done, and then
24:42
Speaker 4: we'll get together as a group and we'll put it
24:43
Speaker 4: all together and make sure all the communications right and
24:46
Speaker 4: the signaling is right, and then we get off the
24:48
Speaker 4: field and we get in here and get our lifts
24:50
Speaker 4: in and our training recovery. But you know, Craig's really
24:53
Speaker 4: big on the book ends of the day. You know,
24:56
Speaker 4: same with Rubin is like we prepare really really well,
24:59
Speaker 4: and then when our day's over, we come in and
25:00
Speaker 4: we do the recovery. We get all the you know,
25:02
Speaker 4: the treatment and stuff we need so that we can
25:04
Speaker 4: get back and do it again the next day. I
25:06
Speaker 4: think those are the things that are extremely important and
25:08
Speaker 4: spring to stay healthy and to get yourself ready is
25:11
Speaker 4: to you know, focus on what you need to get
25:13
Speaker 4: done and cut out some of the the extra work
25:17
Speaker 4: of just standing in a huge group of sixty guys
25:19
Speaker 4: and maybe getting one rep in the twenty five minute drill.
25:22
Speaker 2: You know.
25:22
Speaker 4: So Craig's been great. I mean the speeches he's given us,
25:26
Speaker 4: he seems comfortable in the role. He seems like he's
25:28
Speaker 4: in charge of the room, and you know, he's really
25:31
Speaker 4: putting a lot of trust in his staff to go
25:32
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26:37
Speaker 1: He is a man comfortable in his own skin. That's
26:39
Speaker 1: been just obvious immediately. I do want to ask you
26:43
Speaker 1: about one of all the new guys, one guy in particular,
26:46
Speaker 1: and that would be Nick Costianos. I know that AJ Prowler,
26:49
Speaker 1: when he addressed the media about the signing why he
26:51
Speaker 1: was comfortable, said that he did speak to some of
26:54
Speaker 1: the leaders on this team before before he signed him.
26:57
Speaker 1: And when I think of the leaders in the team,
26:59
Speaker 1: I think of like you, what was that conversation like
27:01
Speaker 1: and what what did you have to consider before you're
27:04
Speaker 1: like yeah, why not?
27:06
Speaker 2: Yeah?
27:06
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure some of it is about, you know,
27:10
Speaker 4: some of the stuff that's come out recently about Nick
27:12
Speaker 4: and you know his issue in Philly with that Miami game.
27:15
Speaker 4: But as a player, I don't think anybody in here
27:18
Speaker 4: has an issue with that. You know, we know the
27:20
Speaker 4: kind of player he is. You know, he speaks his mind.
27:24
Speaker 4: He's very you know, very confident in what he believes in,
27:27
Speaker 4: and you know he's a veteran of the game.
27:30
Speaker 2: He's been around a long time. He's played on really
27:32
Speaker 2: good teams.
27:32
Speaker 4: He's played with a number of different you know, future
27:35
Speaker 4: Hall of famers, and he's a guy that does things
27:39
Speaker 4: the right way. You know, he prepares, he shows up,
27:41
Speaker 4: he's ready to work, very serious about how he goes
27:43
Speaker 4: about his work. So yeah, Aj is always cautious of,
27:48
Speaker 4: you know, adding someone to a group, making sure he
27:52
Speaker 4: checks in with guys and make sure it's someone that
27:53
Speaker 4: we feel is going to fit in our group and
27:55
Speaker 4: somebody that you know, we want on board, which I
27:58
Speaker 4: think you don't see in every organization. You know a
28:01
Speaker 4: lot of times it's just like here's your pieces, figure out,
28:03
Speaker 4: make it work. We're really big on the culture of
28:06
Speaker 4: the clubhouse and you know, the culture of the team.
28:09
Speaker 4: So if somebody comes in and you know they're not
28:11
Speaker 4: fitting that bill and they're not you know, getting on board.
28:14
Speaker 2: Of what we got.
28:14
Speaker 4: You know, our guys also have no problem saying, hey,
28:16
Speaker 4: this is a guy that doesn't belong here. But Aj
28:20
Speaker 4: is great and he always comes in and brings that
28:22
Speaker 4: stuff to us, includes us in it, which I feel
28:24
Speaker 4: like empowers the players and it makes you take a
28:26
Speaker 4: little more responsibility and in your actions and what you say.
28:30
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, we love Nick over here. I'm glad
28:32
Speaker 2: we got him.
28:34
Speaker 3: So I just have one final one because I can
28:35
Speaker 3: do this all day, and I know you probably have
28:37
Speaker 3: better things to.
28:37
Speaker 2: Do, but I appreciate it one thing, right all.
28:44
Speaker 3: I appreciate something that AJ said recently. You're in a
28:46
Speaker 3: division with the Dodgers, and everybody knows it, right and
28:49
Speaker 3: and you know, common perception is everybody's just playing for
28:52
Speaker 3: second place in the n West. And AJ's you know,
28:55
Speaker 3: I don't think he says it just because he feels
28:57
Speaker 3: like it's the right thing to say, you know, because like,
28:59
Speaker 3: oh yeah, we're not there to just give up the
29:01
Speaker 3: division for guys that are in that clubhouse. I mean,
29:04
Speaker 3: do you do you view it as as such? Do
29:06
Speaker 3: you think, like, listen, like we're not here to just
29:09
Speaker 3: give in to them, you know, we're not. We're not
29:12
Speaker 3: here to just let the Dodgers run away with the NS.
29:14
Speaker 3: AJ said, like our goal is, you know, not to
29:17
Speaker 3: just qualify for the playoffs. If that's what it is, fine, Well,
29:20
Speaker 3: like we still, you know, are entering every single season
29:24
Speaker 3: thinking about we want to be division champs. As unrealistic
29:27
Speaker 3: as the outside public might think that is how do
29:29
Speaker 3: you view.
29:29
Speaker 6: All of that?
29:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, I view it just like that.
29:33
Speaker 4: You know, I think the guys in here compete, you know,
29:36
Speaker 4: at the same level, regardless of the circumstances. So regardless
29:39
Speaker 4: of how you know, powerful the other teams in our
29:41
Speaker 4: division are, we don't have to play them one hundred
29:43
Speaker 4: and sixty times a year. You know, We've got to
29:45
Speaker 4: take care of business against the teams that we're supposed
29:47
Speaker 4: to be and take care of business, you know, away
29:50
Speaker 4: from those guys, knowing that when we go in and
29:52
Speaker 4: play them, it's going to be a hard fight and
29:54
Speaker 4: we don't expect to win, you know, ninety percent of
29:56
Speaker 4: those games, you know, those best teams you looking for
29:59
Speaker 4: a you know, you're looking to get out of there
30:02
Speaker 4: and not have a negative, you know, negative record against
30:04
Speaker 4: that team. But we feel like we're capable of competing
30:08
Speaker 4: for this division just as much as the Dodgers are.
30:12
Speaker 4: We understand and we respect how good they are as
30:14
Speaker 4: a team and the firepower they have over there. But
30:17
Speaker 4: it's all about how you put those pieces together, you know,
30:21
Speaker 4: And like I said, you play them a handful of
30:23
Speaker 4: times a year, So it's not like we're running up
30:25
Speaker 4: against this juggernaut team every single game. You know, we
30:28
Speaker 4: got to take care of our business so that at
30:30
Speaker 4: the end of the game or at the end of
30:31
Speaker 4: the season, we're right there with them in the running.
30:34
Speaker 1: Joe, My last, my last question to you actually something
30:36
Speaker 1: that that Dare and I were discussing before you join
30:38
Speaker 1: us today, and that was the comments from you know,
30:40
Speaker 1: from John Seidler. He was being asked about the idea
30:42
Speaker 1: of the team being sold in relocation. Have you have
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Speaker 1: has he has John spoken to any of the players
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Speaker 1: in the clubhouse about the plan for this for this
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Speaker 1: team moving forward? Has that or has he not really
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Speaker 1: done that?
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Speaker 2: I mean, not a detailed conversation.
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Speaker 4: He spoke to us a couple of days ago, you know,
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Speaker 4: just kind of saying the same thing, like, I know
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Speaker 4: you guys are probably you know, hearing a lot of stuff,
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Speaker 4: and you know, I have a lot of questions about
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Speaker 4: where the team's going and the sale of the team.
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Speaker 4: Pretty much said, you know, if you guys have questions,
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Speaker 4: feel free to come find me, you know, give me
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Speaker 4: a call, tell you what I can tell you.
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Speaker 2: But I mean there's certain things that.
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Speaker 4: You know, we're not even allowed to hear or know,
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Speaker 4: you know, there's certain things that on the business side
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Speaker 4: they just don't share with anybody. And I understand that
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Speaker 4: I'm not looking for, you know, every answer that there
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Speaker 4: is to have.
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Speaker 2: But as players are, your.
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Speaker 4: Biggest concern obviously is the guy that buys the team
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Speaker 4: or the person that takes the team over.
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Speaker 2: Are they going to be interested in winning or making money?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 4: And I feel like, whoever takes this team, I can't
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Speaker 4: imagine they'd come in and not want to keep pushing
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Speaker 4: in the right direction. You know, we've already committed a
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Speaker 4: lot of money to players on this team. They get
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Speaker 4: the city behind you more than you ever have in
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Speaker 4: San Diego, and it's a stadium that's filling out every
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Speaker 4: single night. So I find it very hard to believe
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Speaker 4: that whoever comes in it's going to backtrack and you know,
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Speaker 4: cut payroll and and start minimizing things. I feel like
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Speaker 4: the smart move, especially if you're spending what you're about
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Speaker 4: to spend on the padres, you know, is to double
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Speaker 4: down and keep adding and keep going for it. This is,
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Speaker 4: you know, the best window we got right now.
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Speaker 2: These players, we.
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Speaker 4: Are only getting older, our contracts are getting shorter. So yeah,
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Speaker 4: I would love to see whoever comes in, you know,
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Speaker 4: commit to winning here and continuing to add to this team.
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Speaker 1: I think you just booked for every single guy in
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Speaker 1: your clubhouse, as well as that fan base. If you're
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Speaker 1: that fan base, and you're right, Joe Joe Musgrove, you
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Speaker 1: are the absolute best. Ten years from now, when you're done,
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Speaker 1: when you're thinking about hanging it up, I really think
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Speaker 1: that you should be the new co host with Darren
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Speaker 1: on Friar Terriers, but you can even take over the
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Speaker 1: Foul Territory network. Man, you are meant, You're meant for this,
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Speaker 1: and you've got a great voice. You've got a great
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Speaker 1: voice too. That's key, It's key.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate that you guys.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, right, don't you don't want to follow in
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Speaker 3: staveds foot steps. You don't want to go down that
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Speaker 3: pathway And.
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Speaker 4: I've got to deal with enough stress on the plane.
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Speaker 4: I don't know if I want to be the one
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Speaker 4: answering questions all day.
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Speaker 3: Give me one maybe who's the next guy.
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Speaker 4: I think Michael King could be that guy. I think
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Speaker 4: Jake Croninworth could be that guy. Yeah, those two guys
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Speaker 4: kind of stick out to me. But dude, it's hard, man.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think you have to have like a
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Speaker 4: passion to want to do this, and it's like it's
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Speaker 4: so much more than just making the right calls. Part
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Speaker 4: for me, part of it is the fucking paperwork. I
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Speaker 4: don't want to sit here and write reports all night.
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Speaker 2: Like.
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Speaker 4: I love the idea of helping guys out and I'll
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Speaker 4: share all the knowledge I got about pitching, but I
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Speaker 4: don't want to sit here every night and write reports
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Speaker 4: and you know, being meetings all day long.
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Speaker 2: I just don't want to do that. Ship So yeah, right.
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Speaker 4: I love the game, and you know, I can't imagine
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Speaker 4: my life without baseball in some aspect, but I just
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Speaker 4: don't know what it looks like.
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Speaker 2: And it's hard to even picture it until until.
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Speaker 4: I'm done, you know. And I don't have an option
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Speaker 4: as a player anymore. I think maybe some new things
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Speaker 4: will look like me, but yeah, right now that's not
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Speaker 4: even in my in my sights, co host, it is done.
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Speaker 1: Deal, co host, love it? Thanks, Sure, you're the best.
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Speaker 1: Take care of right, Thanks guy, Talk you soon.
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Speaker 3: Mhm.