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Tammy Hembrow’s Controversial Egypt Expedition · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Kate Torber and coming up on today's show. Tammy Hembrough
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  Speaker 1: is slammed by animal activists for cruel tourist act. Olivia
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  Speaker 1: Rogers opens up about her ex moving on. And Jojo
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  Speaker 1: Siwa and Chris Hughes make it official. But first, Meghan
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  Speaker 1: Markle has released unseen footage of herself twerking before labour.
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  Speaker 1: The Duchess of Sussex shared a throwback video of her
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  Speaker 1: and Prince Harry doing the viral baby mama dance. I
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  Speaker 1: first came across this with no sound on it. It
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  Speaker 1: was very early in the morning and I actually thought
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  Speaker 1: that it had been AI generated. I was like, holy fuck,
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  Speaker 1: what is this? Well, we were just talking about it
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  Speaker 1: before and you didn't even know about the trend. So
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  Speaker 1: you were like, what is going on? Because this is
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  Speaker 1: a big trend on TikTok. A lot of women who
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  Speaker 1: are about to give birth. share themselves dancing to this song. See,
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  Speaker 1: I thought that they were just being creative and had
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  Speaker 1: come up with it themselves. I'm like, oh wow, like
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  Speaker 1: that's interesting. I absolutely loved Harry's cameo in it. He
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  Speaker 1: was playing the daggy dad character, wasn't he? And you
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  Speaker 1: could tell that they were both taking the piss out
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  Speaker 1: of themselves, which is what I quite enjoyed because I
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  Speaker 1: think that they've got a lot of flack recently, Meghan
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  Speaker 1: in particular, for taking herself too seriously and trying to
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  Speaker 1: be too perfect. Well, Meghan clearly can't do anything right
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  Speaker 1: because she has been absolutely slammed in the press over
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  Speaker 1: this video. People are saying it's cringe. There's been a
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  Speaker 1: lot of negative commentary on social media. Someone wrote, make
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  Speaker 1: it stop, hashtag cringe. And another said, everything they do
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  Speaker 1: to be relatable is weirdly not relatable. It's bizarre how
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  Speaker 1: they never miss. I think it's evident to anyone who's
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  Speaker 1: listened to this podcast that I'm a big Meghan Markle fan.
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  Speaker 1: But I did cringe when I initially saw this video.
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  Speaker 1: And I just thought, why are they doing this to themselves?
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  Speaker 1: Because they have already faced a lot of criticism for
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  Speaker 1: being hypocritical when it comes to their children's privacy I
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  Speaker 1: mean we've seen the infamous South Park episode where it's
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  Speaker 1: like we want privacy and over the past couple of
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  Speaker 1: days for Lilibet's birthday Megan has shared a number of
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  Speaker 1: photos of her that we've never seen before the first
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  Speaker 1: couple you couldn't really make out her face she then
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  Speaker 1: shared a very cute photo of Harry and Lilibet and
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  Speaker 1: then obviously this most recent clip we've got a real
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes look into how they were preparing for
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  Speaker 1: labor and whilst I think it's great like I love
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  Speaker 1: seeing all these snippets I just know that people are
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  Speaker 1: going to say well didn't you leave the royal family
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  Speaker 1: so your children could have privacy? Like, why are you
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  Speaker 1: sharing all of this? Yeah, but to defend them here,
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  Speaker 1: they want to be able to control the images they
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  Speaker 1: put out rather than have the press take paparazzi shots
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  Speaker 1: of them. So it's up to them if they want
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  Speaker 1: to release these photos or not. And they obviously felt
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  Speaker 1: safe to do so as well because they were images
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  Speaker 1: of Lilibet when she was a newborn. And obviously now
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  Speaker 1: that she's four years old, she looks very different. I
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  Speaker 1: always find it quite funny to see the creative ways
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  Speaker 1: that celebrities and influencers hide their kids' faces. so that
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  Speaker 1: they can still post these beautiful photos online. They're always
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  Speaker 1: very artistic, aren't they? I found the caption to this
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  Speaker 1: video also quite funny because Megan said, four years ago today,
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  Speaker 1: this also happened. Both of our children were a week
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  Speaker 1: past their due date. So when spicy food, all that
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  Speaker 1: walking and acupuncture didn't work, there was only one thing
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  Speaker 1: left to do. And all I could think about was,
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  Speaker 1: because there's obviously the old wives tale that if you
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  Speaker 1: have sex, it also brings on labor. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: Did they miss that out or are they trying to
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  Speaker 1: be a bit edgy, like, you know, lead everyone to thinking, well,
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  Speaker 1: did they do that as well? Yeah, I actually had
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  Speaker 1: the same thought. Another thing I couldn't stop thinking about
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  Speaker 1: was whether any staff at this hospital saw them doing
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  Speaker 1: the dance and how many times did they do it
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  Speaker 1: to get it this good? I really want to know
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  Speaker 1: where our listeners stand on this one. Is it cringe
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  Speaker 1: or do you love it? I'm going to put up
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  Speaker 1: a question box on our Instagram story. Tammy Hembrough's work
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  Speaker 1: trip to Egypt is currently under the spotlight. The OG
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  Speaker 1: fitness influencer has been slammed by animal activists for riding
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  Speaker 1: a camel as well as offending locals with her attire.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into the claims, Kate, can you give
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  Speaker 1: listeners a bit of a background about the trip? Well,
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  Speaker 1: this is a paid gig for Tammy. So she has
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  Speaker 1: teamed up with a travel company called Orventura to host
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  Speaker 1: a group of travelers in Egypt. Now, the company offers
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  Speaker 1: a range of travel packages to different destinations alongside special
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  Speaker 1: trips hosted by influencers and celebrities. And it's not the
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  Speaker 1: first time Tammy has worked with a travel operator. So
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  Speaker 1: last year, she also hosted a trip to Greece. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the big selling point of this trip was that you
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  Speaker 1: were accompanied by Tammy Hembrough as a guide alongside a
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  Speaker 1: trained Egyptologist. We spoke about this trip briefly last week
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  Speaker 1: and about how Tammy Hembrough seemed to form quite a
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  Speaker 1: connection with the rest of the women on the trip.
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  Speaker 1: She actually put up an Instagram story where she tagged
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  Speaker 1: all of them in the post. So as you said, Kate,
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  Speaker 1: the selling point really seems to be that you can
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  Speaker 1: befriend Tammy and you can hang out with her. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the trip was even advertised as the ancient expedition with
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  Speaker 1: Tammy in Egypt. And this wasn't a cheap trip. It
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  Speaker 1: cost travellers between six and seven thousand Australian dollars, depending
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  Speaker 1: on the room that you stayed in. Now, this week,
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  Speaker 1: photos and videos of Tammy riding a camel emerged on
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  Speaker 1: social media. Tammy didn't upload the images herself, but instead
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  Speaker 1: people spotted her in the background of other travellers' photos. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she did share a photo of two camels from the
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  Speaker 1: ride with the pyramids in the background. So She did
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  Speaker 1: acknowledge that she saw camels, just not that she actually
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  Speaker 1: rode one. Now, the camel ride was part of the
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  Speaker 1: planned itinerary, and that has been available on the tour
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  Speaker 1: operator's website from the get-go. On the website, it says,
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  Speaker 1: ride a camel on the high plateau with panoramic views
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  Speaker 1: across the dunes. Now, clearly, this was a planned part
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  Speaker 1: of the trip. Now, animal activist Bailey Nelson, who runs
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  Speaker 1: Instagram account Warrior for Animals, was quick to call Tammy out.
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  Speaker 1: He wrote, I am an animal rights campaigner and am
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  Speaker 1: deeply disappointed Tammy Hembrough rode abused camels. I'm glad the
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  Speaker 1: post has been removed, but more needs to be done
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  Speaker 1: against exploitation in tourism. He also commented on Tammy's post,
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  Speaker 1: I'm politely asking if you can do your bit to
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  Speaker 1: end the exploitation of animals in tourism. I've been supporting
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  Speaker 1: you for a long time, even praising you for advocating
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  Speaker 1: for eating more plant-based foods in 2020, to help the
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  Speaker 1: environment and of course animal welfare. The backlash was very swift.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy's Egypt post received a flurry of angry commenters. One wrote,
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  Speaker 1: how about don't torture animals and don't ride a camel?
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  Speaker 1: Can't believe it's even on the program. Another said, do
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  Speaker 1: you have any idea how they're being treated and how
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  Speaker 1: exhausted they are from moronic tourists exploiting them for no
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  Speaker 1: fucking reason? The fallout resulted in the travel company removing
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  Speaker 1: the activity from their tour. So under Tammy's post, they wrote, update,
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  Speaker 1: we have taken on feedback and removed the camel riding
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  Speaker 1: from our itinerary. They went on to share on their
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  Speaker 1: own Instagram account a statement that read, we want to
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  Speaker 1: acknowledge concerns about the camel riding during our Egypt trip.
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  Speaker 1: While this activity was removed from the official itinerary, it
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  Speaker 1: still occurred. We're actively reviewing what happened and putting into
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  Speaker 1: place a system to ensure this does not happen on
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  Speaker 1: future trips. Thank you for your feedback and accountability. We
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  Speaker 1: learn from this and push forward. But I'm so confused.
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  Speaker 1: They're saying that they removed the activity because it was inappropriate,
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  Speaker 1: but then they're saying that it still occurred. Are they
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  Speaker 1: trying to put blame on the tourists for going ahead
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  Speaker 1: with it? Well, they're not taking accountability at all. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is their fault. It's a part of their itinerary.
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  Speaker 1: It's on their bloody website. It's still on their website
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  Speaker 1: that this was a part of the planned itinerary for
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  Speaker 1: the Tammy Hembrough trip. Yeah, it doesn't really make much sense. Now,
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  Speaker 1: when you dig a little bit deeper, the abuse of
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  Speaker 1: animals at Egyptian tourist spots has been in the spotlight
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  Speaker 1: recently following a report published by PETA. So the report
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  Speaker 1: highlighted the cruel conditions working animals are subjected to. It
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  Speaker 1: found camels and horses used for tourist rides are being
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  Speaker 1: beaten and hit on the testicles and denied rest. That
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  Speaker 1: is so disturbing. Camels in particular also suffer from skin
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  Speaker 1: conditions because they're not given adequate vet treatment. And if
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  Speaker 1: that isn't bad enough, when animals become injured or too
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  Speaker 1: old to work, they are left to die behind the pyramids.
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  Speaker 1: PETA actually obtained footage of rotting animal corpses as well
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  Speaker 1: as sick injured animals left to starve. And according to PETA,
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  Speaker 1: police and government officials are complicit in the abuse. So
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  Speaker 1: they allege that police have been intimidating tourists and forcing
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  Speaker 1: them to delete vision of abused animals from their phones.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just so thankful to organisations like PETA for actually
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  Speaker 1: shining a light on this because I was completely unaware
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  Speaker 1: of it myself. And despite the Egyptian government pledging to
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  Speaker 1: end the abuse, nothing has happened so far. They claimed
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  Speaker 1: that they would launch an animal welfare program by 2024,
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  Speaker 1: but that is yet to happen. And PETA has continued
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  Speaker 1: to lobby the Egyptian government to introduce regulations for working
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  Speaker 1: animals within the tourism sector.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And since this report was released, a lot of tour
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  Speaker 1: operators in Egypt have pledged not to offer camel rides
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  Speaker 1: as part of their tours. And this was only in
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  Speaker 1: March this year. So clearly the travel company or venture
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  Speaker 1: that Tammy partnered with did not, and have only just
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  Speaker 1: done it now to save face. Well, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy is copping a lot of blame over this incident,
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  Speaker 1: but I also think it lies with the travel company.
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  Speaker 1: They have literally built a business of selling influencer-run tours.
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  Speaker 1: So they're the ones who are the experts in the industry.
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  Speaker 1: They should really be doing proper research into these locations
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  Speaker 1: before embarking on these sort of trips. I also think
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  Speaker 1: some responsibility does lie with Tammy as well, though, because
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to put your face to a tour
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  Speaker 1: like this, you should do some research and find out
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  Speaker 1: What are the activities? Are these activities ethical? Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a bit dubious to how much of a travel
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  Speaker 1: guide she actually played on this trip. But considering she
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  Speaker 1: was being paid, she should have done her due diligence
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  Speaker 1: and done some research into the itinerary. This was big news.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, again, I have to admit it wasn't something
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  Speaker 1: that I was aware of myself. And I'm very thankful
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  Speaker 1: for organisations like PETA for actually bringing awareness to these issues.
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  Speaker 1: But if I was going to put my name and
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  Speaker 1: face to a tourism activity, I'd do a bit of
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  Speaker 1: research to make sure that it was an ethical one. Well,
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  Speaker 1: even if you're travelling to a country, normally you will
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  Speaker 1: do some research into what's going on there. And particularly
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  Speaker 1: she has admitted that she has quite an interest in Egypt. So... And,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the Egyptian government is also to blame here.
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  Speaker 1: But as Peter has pointed out, it's tourists who pay
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  Speaker 1: to take horse or camel rides that are keeping these
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  Speaker 1: cruel operations in business. So people really need to reflect
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  Speaker 1: on what they're doing. Now, Tammy's choice of clothing during
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  Speaker 1: her trip has also bothered some of her followers. She
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  Speaker 1: has been called out for not dressing appropriately in the
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  Speaker 1: very conservative Muslim country. In terms of her outfit, she
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  Speaker 1: has posted some glamorous photos of her posing in in
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  Speaker 1: front of tourist sites, and in a few of them,
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  Speaker 1: she wore a headscarf alongside long pants or a skirt.
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  Speaker 1: On top, though, she did wear some tight T-shirts and
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  Speaker 1: also crop tops showing off her midriff. In another photo,
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  Speaker 1: she was wearing a sleeveless dress that showed a bit
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  Speaker 1: of side boob, and there were also some images of
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  Speaker 1: her at the hotel pool swimming in a bikini. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and in terms of the rules, it's advised that women
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  Speaker 1: dress conservatively. So while travellers aren't held to the same
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  Speaker 1: standard as local women... It's recommended that they wear loose
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  Speaker 1: fitting clothes that cover at least from your shoulder to
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  Speaker 1: below your knee. It's also recommended to pack long sleeve
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  Speaker 1: shirts to slip over your outfits for more conservative areas.
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  Speaker 1: Is that in the hotel though? Because I think she's
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  Speaker 1: well within her right to wear a bikini in a
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  Speaker 1: hotel pool. Yeah, so she's totally allowed to wear a
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  Speaker 1: bikini at her hotel. There are no dramas there. Why
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  Speaker 1: are people so up in arms about it? It seems
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  Speaker 1: like they're just trying to be highly critical. Oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: they clearly are. I mean, in terms of spots that
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  Speaker 1: you have to follow dress rules, you do have to
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  Speaker 1: wear head coverings in a mosque. So she did do that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, some of her clothes were probably too tight
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  Speaker 1: for some of the locals. Do you reckon it was
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  Speaker 1: more just like, I noticed the photos, she would have
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  Speaker 1: the headscarf on and she'd try and pull like a
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  Speaker 1: really sexy face. I reckon it's more the poses that
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  Speaker 1: she was doing where people were like, this just feels
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  Speaker 1: a bit wrong. Yeah, well, as we've come to expect
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram, people were very vocal with their opinions. One
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  Speaker 1: person wrote, pretty sure this is cultural appropriation because you're
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  Speaker 1: not wearing that scarf to cover your body. Another said,
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  Speaker 1: a holiday to Egypt or half naked. is possibly one
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  Speaker 1: of the most tone-deaf things I've ever seen. Another person added,
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  Speaker 1: no hate, but I would have thought showing a lot
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  Speaker 1: of skin in a majority Muslim country would have been
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  Speaker 1: considered disrespectful. Now, Tammy responded to that comment saying, we
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  Speaker 1: were told it's fine. People can wear bikinis at beach
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  Speaker 1: slash pools. Now, amid all of this controversy, Tammy is
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  Speaker 1: back home on the Gold Coast with her kids at
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  Speaker 1: the moment. And she's been sharing a lot about a
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  Speaker 1: New Zealand trip she's got coming up with them, asking
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  Speaker 1: for suggestions and explaining that she's going to be taking
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  Speaker 1: her kids there very soon. Again, There is no mention
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  Speaker 1: of her husband, Matt Zukowski, coming on the trip. What
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  Speaker 1: is going on? I just want them to put out
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  Speaker 1: a statement explaining to us that they're not together anymore. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: her music taste is very telling. She uploaded a video
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok of her miming to the Taylor Swift banger
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  Speaker 1: Getaway Car. That is my favourite song. And a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a fun fact, when we went to Taylor's concert
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  Speaker 1: in Melbourne, it was the surprise song. Well, it was
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  Speaker 1: one of the surprise songs. She did a medley. I
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  Speaker 1: was so excited when that started playing. Now, Tammy added
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  Speaker 1: the caption, this song is currently on replay in my head. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I have been trying to keep up with Tammy's Snapchat.
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  Speaker 1: And the other day, she was singing to Get Away
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  Speaker 1: Car in Coles. Now, it disturbs me that Coles has
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  Speaker 1: started playing Taylor Swift because there's this saying that once
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  Speaker 1: you start liking the music in the supermarket, it means
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  Speaker 1: you're old. Anyway, so Tammy was miming to the song
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  Speaker 1: and she was saying how embarrassed her kids were. Let's
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  Speaker 1: throw to what she said. We're driving to get a
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  Speaker 1: wake up. You guys should see how they're both looking
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  Speaker 1: at me right now. Guys, do you like my singing? No.
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  Speaker 1: Sass is like, do you know there's cameras in here?
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  Speaker 1: Because I just started dancing. Look, if I heard Taylor
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  Speaker 1: Swift on at Coles, I think I'd be singing along too.
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  Speaker 1: I found it interesting the bit that she mimed to
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok because it was the bit where it's, I'm
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  Speaker 1: in the getaway car. I left you in the motel bar,
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  Speaker 1: put a money in the bag and stole the key.
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  Speaker 1: That was the last time you ever saw me. Pretty telling.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: Talking about Matt Sikowsky, I have been very intrigued by
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: his podcast co-host Anna McAvoy's strategy when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: sharing about her birth. She uploaded a TikTok and Instagram
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  Speaker 1: reel yesterday where she said it's happening and she was
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  Speaker 1: miming to that viral clip that says we're having a baby.
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  Speaker 1: Fast forward 24 hours, she has uploaded another video where
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  Speaker 1: she does this transition from normal clothes into scrubs and
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  Speaker 1: says we are meeting our son in 30 minutes. And
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people have written in saying, hey, just
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  Speaker 1: heads up, she actually had her son 10 days ago.
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  Speaker 1: Like this is all just being rolled out now. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: she also dropped that she was having a planned C-section,
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  Speaker 1: hence the timing. I'm thinking, did I do my C-section wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Because I was waiting around for, I don't know, 10
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  Speaker 1: hours to go into the operating theater. Should I have
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  Speaker 1: been filming a bunch of TikToks? Look, it was very
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  Speaker 1: poor form of you to not film TikToks. But I
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  Speaker 1: wonder if she held off from announcing her baby news
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  Speaker 1: because there's been a lot of focus on Steph Clare
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  Speaker 1: Smith's new daughter, Billie, which she announced on Friday last week. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think she's definitely trying to time it when she'll
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  Speaker 1: get most impact. In saying that, we're recording late on
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  Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon. I bet she does it tonight and this
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  Speaker 1: will be old news. 100%.
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  Speaker 2: The Daily Mail loves to use my name in everything
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  Speaker 2: they ever write about him, which I guess is just
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  Speaker 2: part of what I do and my history with him.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Olivia Rogers has opened up about how it feels seeing
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  Speaker 1: her ex-husband, Justin McKeon, move on and start a family
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  Speaker 1: with someone else. The former Miss Universe contestant was undergoing
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  Speaker 1: fertility treatment in the months leading up to the couple's
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  Speaker 1: shock split in October 2022. Soph, I was really surprised
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  Speaker 1: to see Olivia speak about this. Yeah, she's usually pretty
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  Speaker 1: restrained and I'd say respectful when speaking about Justin. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: over the years, she has dropped a few breadcrumbs here
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  Speaker 1: and there and alluded to things that have gone on,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: but she's never given a tell-all interview which explicitly says,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: I broke up with him for this reason. It does
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: seem like since it hit the news that he's been
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: accused of stealing almost half a million dollars from his
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: former employer. that she has been letting a few more
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: details fly. Well, yeah, because I think that it's given
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: everyone an insight into potentially what she was dealing with
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes. So she hasn't really had to explain
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: it because everyone's sort of like, oh, I get it now.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: It makes sense. Now, she is a bit of a
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: fiend for Q & A box. And on her podcast
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: this week, she decided to answer listener questions. I would
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: have loved to have known how many of these were
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: about Justin. Yeah, all of them always have to do
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: with her relationship. I feel like there must have just
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: been an overwhelming amount and she was like, okay, I've
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: got to answer it because she ended up answering this question.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: How does it feel seeing an ex move on and
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: start a family when you're not there yet? See, you're
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: saying that you think she may have been pressured into
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: it because a lot of people asked. I think she
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: knows this is good content. I think She knows that
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: questions like this, she can tease on social media and
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: get people to listen. I also think it's her story
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: to share as well. All of these things happen to her.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: And as you said, Kat, I think she feels more
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: comfortable now. People know a bit more about Justin's character
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: and what was going on behind the scenes. Now, back
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: in May, we have spoken about how Justin and his on-again,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: off-again bachelor girlfriend, Tani Leeson, welcomed their son, Arlo. So
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: this is obviously what this question is about. And when
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: that news broke, I think a lot of us thought
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: about Olivia and how she was feeling because she's always
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: been pretty vocal about wanting to start a family. And
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: as you touched on, she was undergoing IVF treatment in
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: the lead up to the couple's shock separation back in 2022.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: And at the time, Olivia said what she was grieving
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: the most about that relationship Was the loss of the
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: family life she envisioned happening so soon? Now, before Olivia
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: answered the question, she prefaced that the only reason she's
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: willing to open up about it is because she hoped
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: it may help others who are navigating a similar situation.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: And she explained that she generally likes to avoid drama
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: and headlines when she can and is so sick of
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: being included in Daily Mail articles about Justin. She did say, though,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: that she can understand why they do it because she's
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: had a history with him. Well, ultimately, he's only getting
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: attention because of her. Yeah. Now let's have a listen
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: to how she answered this listener question.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I am happy for my exes moving on. I don't
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: feel upset when I hear about it or see anything.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: And genuinely, I haven't felt negatively about that at all
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: since we split. I think it really helped me to
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: know that I had made the right decision because I
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: never once looked back and thought like, oh, that could
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: have been me or that should be me. Like I'm
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: so confident in this decision that I made. Like I
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: don't think that we were a good fit for each other.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: And so I don't think that it would have been
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: a good idea to have children. And I think it's
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: really good that we didn't. So I wish them all
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: the best, but I don't feel sad seeing that.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Very mature response. I wonder if it's got anything to
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: do with the fact, and I do hate to speculate,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: but I follow Tiny Leeson on Instagram and it appears
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: like Justin is nowhere to be seen. He didn't feature
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: in the birth announcement. He didn't like it. He didn't
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: comment on it. Well, she must be feeling like she
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: dodged an absolute bullet here and that she's so relieved
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: that she listened to her gut when she did. Olivia
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: did say that while she wasn't upset by this recent news,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: she'd be lying if she didn't admit that over the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: years she'd has struggled with not knowing when it's going
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: to be her turn to have a family and feeling
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: like she's behind and not at that life stage that
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: she expected to be in. I also really loved in
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: this podcast how she shared two excerpts from her diary.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: So this was a diary that she was actually keeping
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: in Bali when she was traveling with her other ex,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Morgan Waterhouse. And she said during the trip, she purchased
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: a diary because she felt like she was having a
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: midlife or quarter-life crisis and needed to write down her thoughts.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: So this diary entry was dated August 4th, 2023. Let's
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: have a listen to what she wrote.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Mentally, I've felt pretty good most of the time in Bali.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: But I've had my moments, like quite overwhelming moments where
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I'm questioning myself, my job, where I'm at in my life, etc.,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I suppose when I reflect on what's happened over the
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: last year, it's to be expected. This time last year,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I was en route to the USA with my husband
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: and we had such a rocky trip. Back then, in
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: a year's time, I definitely pictured myself as a mum, married, settled,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: not travelling through Bali for a month. It's wild how
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: things can change so much. A couple of days later,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I wrote, I've had a great deal of self-doubt lately.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and this fear of aging, fear of not being where
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I should be at in my life, e.g. not having kids, etc.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I felt sad when I saw a toddler with his
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: young parents by the pool today. I find myself wondering
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: when that will be me. But I also stop myself
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: and remind myself that what I do have right now
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: is pretty amazing. Being grateful helps, and I'm focusing on that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's quite clear that Olivia did a lot
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: of soul searching on this trip, me being massive snoop
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I had to go back and look at her TikTok
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: to see exactly who she was with on the trip
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: what she was doing because while she was there with
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Morgan Waterhouse she actually spent the first couple of weeks
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: with her mom and then she did a bit of
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: solo traveling and it's quite clear that she had a
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: lot of time to be by herself and reflect and
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I potentially think she did a lot of reflection on
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: her relationship with Morgan because when I looked back at
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the dates it That is around the time that he
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: mysteriously disappeared from her feed, like right after the trip.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: So they went to Bali, looked like they had a
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: great time. And then all of a sudden everyone's like,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: where is he? He did a bit of a Matt
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Zukowski and disappeared. I was in Bali at a similar
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: time on my honeymoon and I kept seeing all her
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: extremely glamorous photos of them doing their little photo shoots.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: And I mean, I couldn't even get my husband to
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: take one photo of me on the trip. And it's
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: so funny. Because they looked so glamorous and so in
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: love and everything was perfect. But clearly it wasn't. And
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I think this is really great for Olivia to share
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: what was actually going on behind the scenes. All I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: could think too was it was very trusting of her
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to write down these deep personal thoughts when she was
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: on vacation with someone relatively new. I would be worried
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: that they would go and read it. I mean, maybe
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: everyone isn't nosy like me and would invade someone's privacy
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: like that. But, you know, it's pretty brave to leave
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that lying around if she did. I wonder if it
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: was under lock and key. She... also had the foresight
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to say that the reason she probably hasn't struggled with
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: this news as much is because she's in a really
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: great relationship now and she also feels confident that she's
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: frozen her eggs. So she did really gush about her
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: new boyfriend, Hugo. She said that she genuinely thinks she's
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: found the right person for her to have a family with.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: So this has got me really excited. I feel like
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: we are on engagement watch with this couple and I
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: for one am ready for another epic Olivia Rogers' wedding.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Hopefully she unblocks us by then because I'd like to
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: see the photo. Please, Olivia. We're big fans. Dream guest
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: on my podcast, right? Yeah. Yeah? You answered the question.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What's up with that? After weeks of speculation and
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: a hell of a lot of soft launching, Jojo Siwa
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: and Chris Hughes have confirmed they are together. The pair
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: controversially met on Celebrity Big Brother UK when the former
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Dance Moms star was in a relationship with Aussie content
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: creator Kath Ebbs. Now, so for those who are not
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: across it, can you bring us quickly up to speed? Well,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: as soon as Jojo and Chris met in the UK
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Big Brother house, it was clear that they had an
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: instant connection. And while they did describe their bond as platonic,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: there were several incidents that raised concern, not only amongst viewers,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: but also their housemates. So in the house, they were
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: very physically affectionate. There were a lot of cuddles in bed,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: massages and head scratches. And this was very early on.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: There was also a bit of a weird incident in
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the hot tub when Jojo was sitting on Chris's lap
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and they were accused of sharing a forehead kiss. I
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: love how primary school is. They kissed in the forehead.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Another big moment for Jojo on the show was when
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: she declared she'd come to this realization about her sexuality.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: And she said she's always told herself she's a lesbian,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: but being in the house made her realise that she's
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: not a lesbian, she's queer. This was a pretty bold
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: admission to make when your partner is outside watching on
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: at home because it was quite clear that this revelation
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: came because of her growing feelings for Chris. Yeah, and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: despite all of these online theories and chat about Chris
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: and Jojo being more than friends, Kath flew over to
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the UK to be by Jojo's side in the finale. However...
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Jojo dumped Kath at the wrap party just hours later.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: After the show, Jojo and Chris appeared on a couple
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: of talk shows together and they both continued to toe
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: this line that nothing was going on and that their
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: relationship was platonic. And they kept saying that they had
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: a soulmate friendship, which was a bit wanky. I was like,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: what do you mean? You just clearly have the hots
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: for each other. It just annoyed me because it's like
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: you clearly dumped your partner to be with this guy.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: At least be honest about it. Yeah, and- All this
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: breadcrumbing of their relationship, like Jojo's been posting all these
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: photos of her FaceTiming Chris and suddenly she likes drinking
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: English tea and her new favourite meal is spaghetti hoops,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: which is what Chris likes. And also the way she
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: keeps calling him Christopher. Sweet Christopher. Is it because it's
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: like I know him better because I call him his
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: real name? Or is it because... He's from the UK
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: and she thinks it kind of sounds more sophisticated. Well,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I think it probably started off as a flirtatious thing
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: where you, you know, oh, Christopher. I have to say,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I've actually become quite a big fan of Jojo. I
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: didn't really like her before, but I like Joelle. So
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Joelle is her UK personality. She's a bit more earnest
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: and down to earth. And I don't know why, but
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I'm actually shipping this relationship, even though I feel so
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: sorry for Kath. I think it's because you didn't watch
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Love Island and you don't know who Chris Hughes is.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Not that he was unlikable on the show. I really
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: liked him. But he sounds like a bit of a
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: clout chaser, if anything. Yeah, he's a clout chaser. I mean,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: he's been with that girl from Little Mix. What was it,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Jessie from Little Mix? Olivia Atwood. Yeah, he's been with
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of high-profile women. And Jojo Siwa is not
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: his typical type. I have seen people on TikTok saying,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: can you imagine if Jojo Siwa popped up on his
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: series of Love Island? Or she was a child then. Yeah,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: but if she was the same age– Would he be
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: taking her to the fire pit to have a chat? No,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't. We don't know. I mean, they might have
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: clicked on this personality level that we're not deep enough
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: to get. We don't think Chris Hughes is interested in
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the amount of followers that she has and now he's
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: an international name. Well, last week they looked like they
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: were getting very cosy because Jojo returned to the UK
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: to perform a series of shows there and they both
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: uploaded a ton of photos with their arms wrapped around
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: each other and they Jojo shared that Chris got her
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: all of these little birthday presents and Jojo took it
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: a step further when she performed the cover of Betty
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Davis Eyes for her UK fans and she changed the
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: lyrics to say Chris Hughes Eyes. We actually spoke about
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: this on the subs episode last week. Again, it's all
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: so performative and intention-seeking. Yeah, a lot of people are
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: thinking that this is a publicity stunt and on Sunday,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Chris all but confirmed their relationship. with a photo that
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: he shared to Snapchat. So it was kind of this
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: seedy looking blurred photo where Jojo was lying across his
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: chest in bed and he was shirtless and she was
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: sort of pretending to be asleep, which everyone was like,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: oh my God. And he captioned the photo, Sleeping Beauty.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: It's just so attention seeking, isn't it? Did you see
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: people said it looked like a newborn shoe? Maybe because
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: of the age gap. But a few days later, during
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: an interview with The Guardian, Jojo finally confirmed the news.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: So she was straight up asked by a journo whether
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the relationship was romantic or platonic. And after what the
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: journalist said was a full 20 seconds of silent grinning,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Jojo said she is currently dating Chris, who she refers
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: to as sweet Christopher. She said, it's not platonic anymore
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: and it's been a beautiful development, a beautiful connection and
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I'm absolutely head over heels for him and he's the
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: same way. A bit awkward to be like, oh, he's
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: head over heels for me. I think she's saying that though,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: because a lot of the commentary has been that he
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: looks like he's trapped and he's fucked up. Yeah, I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: have seen those comments online. Now, when asked if this
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: was all for press attention, Jojo said, clearly you've never
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: been around us. I won't speak for him, but for
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: me personally, the happiness in my life just radiates off
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: me right now. Literally yesterday, I was massaging my cheeks.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I've never been in pain from smiling so much. Kate,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I want to know, have you ever been in a
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: relationship where your cheeks were so sore from smiling? I
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: remember when I started dating Rhys that I was pretty
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: happy with myself because we started with a platonic friendship
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: as well. So maybe it's when you've known the person
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: and finally you get to be with them. So you
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: actually were having to massage your cheeks because you were
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: smiling that much? No, I wasn't, but I was genuinely
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: pretty thrilled about it. Yeah, I know, but I'm just
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: saying like the performance of it all because I've actually
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: seen her when she was performing on stage and I
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: think it was when she did the whole Chris Hughes
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: eyes thing. There's a clip of her actually massaging her
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: cheeks because Chris was in the crowd and just saying,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I'm just so happy. I don't know, to me, is
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: that a bit much? This is how girls of this
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: age act. They get head over heels. Rush into this relationship.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how logistically it's going to work.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: He's a 32-year-old English guy. Well, there's been a lot
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: of discussion about this age gap between them and also
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: debate about how much Chris knew about Jojo's music career
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: before they met because a lot of people have called
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: him opportunistic. But others have pointed out that because he
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't really fit into her Gen Z demographic, maybe he
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: was unaware of her public persona because I kept seeing
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: all these TikToks where people are like, The second he
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: gets out of the house and sees the karma clip,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: he's like, holy fuck. I hardly think he was being
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: strategic about it. She literally entered the house as a
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: lesbian with a partner. I mean, you'd have to have
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: pretty big tickets on yourself to think, oh yeah, I'll
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: win her over. That being said, Kath dropped a pretty
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: interesting insight on their podcast. They were interviewed by Claire
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Stevens and they revealed that before Jojo went into the house...
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: they actually mentioned the whole Drew and Tully scenario, which
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Tully entered the house in a relationship with a woman
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: and then obviously she cheated with Drew. And the fact
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: that Jojo actually knew about it, I was like, isn't
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: that bizarre? It is bizarre, but do I think that
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: she purposely carried it out to get attention? No. No.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I think she genuinely really likes Chris. I think that
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: there's a genuine connection there. Well, Jojo's had a pretty
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: good test for Chris to see if he's in this
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: for the long haul and whether he is getting cringed
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: out by some of her behaviour because she decided to
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: show him a viral clip that has been haunting her
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: for over a year now. So in the clip, Jojo
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: is being interviewed on the red carpet and she's wearing
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: face paint, which resembles what the guys from KISS wear.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to what she said in the interview.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Green guest on my podcast? Oh, my gosh. I mean... Honestly,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: let's fight things out. One of my exes. I actually
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: had to watch this a few times to get it
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: because it wasn't obvious to me. I had to read
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the comments. And basically people were ripping into her because
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: she thought what she responded was really funny and kind
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: of stepped back to be like, oh, wow. And it wasn't. Well,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I think because she said it so enthusiastically, dream guest
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: on my podcast. And I think it was also down
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: to what she was wearing. Now, someone else who was
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: confused by this clip was Chris Hughes. Let's have a
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: listen to what he said about it. I don't get it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I don't get it. Perfect. Dream guest on my podcast, right?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You answered the question. Yeah.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: What's up with that? Um, you know, just my voice
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and what I look like. People just love to pick
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: on me. But that is your voice, though. Yeah. When
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you get into something, your voice does go raspy.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Can you try to say Dream Guest on my podcast
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: the way that I did in that video?
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Dream Guest on my podcast? Yeah. Dream Guest on my podcast?
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: What do you think of that? Is it a Halloween thing? No.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: The thing?
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: No. That wasn't Halloween? No. Nice, though.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I like it. Thank you, bub.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: It's different.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I like it. Thank you.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: That's what I looked like in the Karma music video. Oh, yeah.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: So you were just doing that. Yeah, that's good, though. Yeah.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I like it on your chin. It goes from your
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: chin down through your chest. Drink it. That's the one. Oh, God.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I don't get what the issue is. Yeah, I didn't either,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: but the world had a lot of fun with it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Did they?
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: He sounded so cute. Like, I can see why she's
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: into him. Like, his response was very darling. Yeah, I
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: feel like he answered it so diplomatically. That shows someone
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: who is in their 30s, who's tuned a lot of
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: girls before. Well, it would give you the ick, though,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: wouldn't it? Oh, I love how he's like, I like
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: that little thing on your chin. Like that looks good.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Like he's probably just thinking, what the fuck is this?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: How have I got myself here? I've just been thinking
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: about poor Kath in all of this and how they're
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: faring because in their recent podcast, it was recorded when
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: they still believed that this relationship was platonic and nothing
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: was going on. This week, Kath did share a TikTok
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: of them dancing with text over the top that said,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: shaking my ass instead of crashing the fuck out. And
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: then captioned the post, happy pride month. Now followers were
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: quick to assume that Kath was taking a swipe at Jojo.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: So one user wrote, or perhaps move on, she has.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: To which Kath responded, I think it's time you move on,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I have. Another said, I'm happy for Jojo. To which
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Kath said, same, this has nothing to do with her
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: wishing them the best. This is very layered. And I
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: agree with what Kath said in their podcast. If their
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: relationship with Jojo was a heterosexual one, then Jojo would
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: have been the villain. And Chris would have been painted
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: as a homewrecker. Yeah. Whereas because Jojo was in a
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: lesbian relationship, people were like, oh, well, you know, she's
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: seen the light. She wants a man. Like that's exactly
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: what people are viewing this as. The commentary has been
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: repulsive online. Like I don't even want to repeat some
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: of the things that have been said, but it's, oh, yeah.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: You know, she's had a factory reset now. Like it's
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: absolutely appalling. And I can't believe in this day and
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: age people actually share that opinion. And then people try
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: and make excuses like, oh, they were only together for
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: a couple of months. It's like, so what? This was
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: a legitimate relationship. One person has emotionally cheated. And while
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair to have some witch hunt,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I do think, though, we should have some sympathy for Kath,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: who was mourning their relationship. You can also see from
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: the way that Jojo is with Chris, she goes from
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: zero to 100 very quickly. Yeah, she seems like a
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: bit of a love bomber. I'm guessing maybe she was
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: like that with Kath Ebbs as well. Let's get into
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: our Friday debrief. And it's been a big week for
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: me as a mum because Jack took his first steps.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: So on Wednesday night, we always have family dinner at
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: my parents' house. And he'd kind of been standing up
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: and kind of going back and forth on one foot.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: And I was like, he's so close, he's going to
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: do it. So he actually ended up walking towards Amy.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Amy had a soft toy penguin in front of her
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: and coaxed him across whilst I was filming. And it
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: was just such a magical moment. Everyone was so proud
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and cheering him on and he looked so impressed with himself.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: It was so exciting and I love that we actually
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: captured it on video. I feel like we've always got
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: our cameras rolling because you also got a moment of
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: him pulling Harry's dummy out and Harry just looking so shocked. Oh,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: it was so funny because he did it the other day.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Amy greeted us at the door and it was like
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Jack was like, yank, thank you. And it was like
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: pop out of his mouth. But at least he did
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: say ta. It's very polite. I honestly feel this week
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: like time is going so quickly. I think it's because
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I officially received my C-section date. And there is a
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: bit of a story behind it, but we'll probably share
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: about that once the baby is born because it's quite funny.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just all feeling more real now that
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I can count down the days. And I think it's
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: scary also because we're like, fuck, like Amy's going to
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: have to come back. I'm going to go and leave.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Like it's all becoming more real. You've only just got
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: into this routine of going to your house. Now I'm like,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be back recording with Amy. Michelle Andrews
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: from Shameless is filling me with a bit of confidence
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: because she's returned three weeks postpartum on the podcast. And
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe I can come back that quickly too. Well,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I don't want to burst your bubble or anything, but
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: she was missing from the next one and Annabelle Lee
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: had to step in. I think someone was sick or something. Well,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: she was back Thursday. So, I mean, good on her. Like,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing she's been able to come back. She's
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: had so much going on. I think we'll be able
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: to come back and record a little bit because to
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: break down the fourth wall, The recording bit is the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: easy bit. Like it's the research, doing the run sheet, editing,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: you know, doing all the extra work outside of actually recording.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: That's the tough bit. Do you know what's thrown me?
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: That we have a long weekend coming up. So it
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: is the King's birthday and I want to put it
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: out there. We are going to be releasing our final
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: installment of our Sarah's Day deep dive. We've had so
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: many DMs asking when is the last installment coming out?
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Probably not the best timing after the fact that we
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: got four Tuesdays episode. Look, there were a lot of
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: opinions out there. Clearly, our opinion wasn't in the majority. Look,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I remember saying during that segment that Sarah's Day was
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: quite aware of how many feathers she was going to ruffle.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize my opinion would come across as so controversial,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: but evidently it did. Yeah, well, I think that's what
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it's all about, having an opinion podcast. You're not always
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: going to align with listeners' opinions. And I think that's
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: what makes it enjoyable. People sharing their opinion. I really
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: enjoyed reading the group discussion because like, oh, a lot
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: of people that send their kids to school actually are like, no,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: holidays are more important. That's the thing. I mean, people
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: did point out that we're obviously not at that life
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: stage where we're sending kids to school. So we're not
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: school mums ourselves. No, I'll probably be thinking, oh, okay,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I might take them on holidays during the term. Well,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: the thing that I also found really interesting in the
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Facebook discussion in our group was a lot of people
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: saying that different states have different rules in terms of
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: when kids start school. So for us in South Australia,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: most kids start school the year that they turn five.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: So that's why we were saying that we were quite
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: surprised that Fox started at six. We've since had parents
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: writing in saying that most of their kids do start
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: school at six. And it's really important for boys in
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: particular to reach a maturity level where they feel confident
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: and able to start. So it did open up some
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: interesting discussions and points of view that I wasn't across. Yeah,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I learned a lot about it and found it really
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: helpful considering I have a son. And I was like, God,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: when is he going to school? Yeah, we were doing
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: the sums because with our kids being around a year apart,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: we were like, hold on a second. So Harry could
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: go to school with my son or he could go
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: to school with Jack. So we were trying to do
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: the math. It's a shame it's not our sons that
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: are going in the same year because we live close by.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Like we could have shared the pick up and drop offs.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: It's probably good for them. We can still do that.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: They've just been different classes. Anyway, we hope you have
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: an amazing long weekend. And thank you so much again
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: for listening to Outspoken. We do really appreciate the support.
• 40:29
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• 40:36
  Speaker 1: episode was recorded on the traditional land of the Kaurna
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: past and present.