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Mac & Bone Hour 3: ACC Unveils New Tie-Breaker Formula · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Owen's Mack and Bow on your radios. My frame back, Posh,
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  Speaker 3: Lot being second, there's meat on the bone. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: as a position coach and as a head coach at
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  Speaker 3: the previous school, I've been on several teams now, every
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  Speaker 3: school I've worked at, even as a player, won a championship,
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  Speaker 3: a conference championship. I was part of a national championship.
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  Speaker 3: And it's what I came here to do. And I
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  Speaker 3: heights and and so it drives me. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: want to put this place I always wanted to leave
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  Speaker 3: INCI State better than I found it, for sure, but
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  Speaker 3: I want to put it at a place where it's
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  Speaker 3: special for everybody for a long long time. And that's
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  Speaker 3: what this is about it. It's definitely a driving force
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  Speaker 3: for me.
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  Speaker 4: Dave Doran the theme of the Pack season, get that
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  Speaker 4: meat off the bone.
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  Speaker 2: We've left the meat on the bone.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go get it even made the analogy of his
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  Speaker 4: trip to the Cruckleton Steakhouse here in Charlotte and a
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  Speaker 4: bone in Ribby, which is the best dang steak you
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  Speaker 4: could get a bone in Rebby. But anyway, we got
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  Speaker 4: to talk about NC State talking big yesterday, Dave Doran
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  Speaker 4: and CJ. Bailey not being shy about it, openly talking
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  Speaker 4: about wanting to get that ACC championship this year. We
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  Speaker 4: need to talk about the new ACC playoff formula. There's
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  Speaker 4: so much to discuss with David Glenn, who was over
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  Speaker 4: there chatting with Dave Dorin and many others yesterday at
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  Speaker 4: the Hilton here in Charlotte at ACC Media Days. David
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  Speaker 4: Glenn make sure you check out his NC Sports network
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  Speaker 4: the YouTube page because he's gonna have a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: video content already does from ACC Media Days on their
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  Speaker 4: NC Sports Network on YouTube. And David Glenn joins us
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  Speaker 4: on the Mac and Bone Show, DG. How have you been, man,
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  Speaker 4: what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Life is good, Mac. It's always fun to be with
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  Speaker 1: you and this is quite the extravaganza here in your
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  Speaker 1: great city of Charlotte. It's fun to be back.
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  Speaker 2: It is, man.
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  Speaker 4: It's just fun to talk football and argue about football
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  Speaker 4: and think about the games like this is just a
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  Speaker 4: cool time of year plus, no one can lose games
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  Speaker 4: either right now, you know what I mean? We can't
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  Speaker 4: be proven wrong when we get optimistic. What did you think?
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  Speaker 4: Because it was kind of divided among PAC fans in
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  Speaker 4: the seven o'clock hour, we were discussing, like do you
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  Speaker 4: like the way openly Dave Dorn's like, I'm tired of
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  Speaker 4: finishing second?
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  Speaker 2: He and CJ.
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  Speaker 4: Baylor are mentioning getting an ACC championship, and some Pack
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  Speaker 4: fans were rolling their eyes because DG, you know, wolf
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  Speaker 4: Pack beleep. You know they have been through it when
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  Speaker 4: they've expected good things. What do you think about this
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  Speaker 4: year's wolf Pack And what do you think about the
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  Speaker 4: way they were openly kind of talking big.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's fun. I think it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: incredibly difficult to pull off.
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  Speaker 2: But we have to.
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  Speaker 1: Add on any statement like that that one year ago
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  Speaker 1: at this event, almost everybody was talking about Clemson as
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  Speaker 1: the team to beat, and they had a very mediocre
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  Speaker 1: season and almost nobody was talking about Duke in Virginia
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  Speaker 1: and they ended up playing right here in the Queen
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  Speaker 1: City for the ACC title and the Blue Devils get
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  Speaker 1: their first ACC championships first out right since nineteen sixty
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  Speaker 1: two and first of any kind since nineteen eighty nine.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess the state is just asking its own
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  Speaker 1: version of the question, why not us? Right? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Miami's the best team here, but the most talented team
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  Speaker 1: doesn't always win, as we saw with the Clemson Tigers
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  Speaker 1: of a year ago and went CJ. Bailey, who never
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  Speaker 1: put his name in the transfer portal but magically got
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  Speaker 1: offers of a lot of money to leave. He decided
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  Speaker 1: to stay, and I think that's a big reason for
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  Speaker 1: the optimism in Raleigh.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, funny how that works without him being in the portal.
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  Speaker 4: DJ color me shocks man. Okay, so you just said
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  Speaker 4: the why not us?
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  Speaker 2: Part?
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  Speaker 4: And we were discussing this last hour too, Like it
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  Speaker 4: does feel like and maybe we're wrong again, but it
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  Speaker 4: does feel like Miami. Oh man, they are in their
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  Speaker 4: own stratosphere. But the Who's number two question is going
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  Speaker 4: to be asked repeatedly this week and into the season, like,
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  Speaker 4: who do you think is the second best team in
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  Speaker 4: the ACC this season?
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  Speaker 1: I think SMU has really lined itself up to be
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  Speaker 1: that team. They've been really good, one of the Mustangs
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  Speaker 1: since leaving the American Conference, as the champion of that league.
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  Speaker 1: They've been one of the best programs in this league,
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  Speaker 1: and they have their senior quarterback name Kevin Jennings. Rhett
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  Speaker 1: lash Lee has done nothing but win with the Mustangs,
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  Speaker 1: and they have a lot of returning production, including at
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  Speaker 1: that quarterback position. So I think the Mustangs are in
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  Speaker 1: that mix. Louisville is certainly in that mix. Clemson has
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  Speaker 1: a chance to bounce back from last year's ugly seven
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  Speaker 1: wins season. And then don't sleep on James Franklin Virginia Tech. Right.
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  Speaker 1: That guy was amazing at Vanderbilt, mostly amazing at Penn State,
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  Speaker 1: and he has the Hokies all charged up believe in
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  Speaker 1: they can be the why not US team? So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of candidates for that kind
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  Speaker 1: of second place slot, but as last year showed, it's
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  Speaker 1: really hard to bet big on any one team and
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  Speaker 1: make sure it pays off.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt. We're talking with David Glenn. He's covered
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  Speaker 4: sports here into Carolina's four years and he's doing it
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  Speaker 4: at ACC kickoff this week here in Charlotte, NC Sports Network.
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  Speaker 4: Check it out. That's his channel on YouTube for all
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  Speaker 4: the great content. D G one of the storylines yesterday
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  Speaker 4: was Darien Mensa spoke about you know, right at the
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  Speaker 4: end of the transfer portal had a contract.
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  Speaker 2: He goes to Miami. They wooed him.
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  Speaker 4: With a chance to play for a national title, potentially
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  Speaker 4: even more money. Mario Cristobal talked about it. They weren't
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  Speaker 4: exactly apologize, and those two gints yesterday like do you
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  Speaker 4: feel like Duke fans We're gonna talk about this later.
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  Speaker 4: Should Duke fans like still hold a grudge or is
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  Speaker 4: that just college sports in twenty twenty six and everybody's
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  Speaker 4: got to get over it.
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  Speaker 1: What's weird back is that I actually practiced not only law,
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  Speaker 1: but specifically contract laws a long time. It's perfect and
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  Speaker 1: Darian mens assigned a two year deal to play at Duke,
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  Speaker 1: and he's a big boy, he's an adult, right, Nobody
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  Speaker 1: had a gun to his head. He wanted out one
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  Speaker 1: year into that two year deal. So you know, we
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  Speaker 1: live in a world where if you and I rented
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  Speaker 1: an apartment for two years and we needed to get
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  Speaker 1: out after one year, yeah we can do that, but
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  Speaker 1: there's penalties. And that's how the world works in the
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  Speaker 1: adults context, but things work differently in college sports right now,
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  Speaker 1: just because of the unusual nature. Right, they're not pros,
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  Speaker 1: but they're not true amateurs anymore, and their laws don't
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  Speaker 1: apply the same way. So Duke has ends up stewing
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  Speaker 1: its own player. He's fucking I mean, there's a lawsuit.
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  Speaker 1: But yet fast forward Manny di as the Duke head
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  Speaker 1: coach to this day. If you ask him, what's one
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  Speaker 1: word to describe Darien Mensa's single season at Duke, Manny
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  Speaker 1: will use the word grateful, in part because it ended
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  Speaker 1: with Duke's first APEC title in forever and Darien Mensa,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Duke stole him from Slane, right, So that's
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  Speaker 1: that is the nature of college sports right now. I
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  Speaker 1: don't blame Duke fans for who say, hey, Man, you
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  Speaker 1: signed a two year deal and you got all the
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  Speaker 1: benefits of that deal through year one, but then when
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  Speaker 1: Miami came calling again illegally, right, it's not It's not
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  Speaker 1: like Miami first contacted Darien Mensa the day that he
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  Speaker 1: entered the transfer portal. Nobody of any intelligence believes that.
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  Speaker 1: So there's tampering involved, and it makes everybody offered. But
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  Speaker 1: the bottom line is, Darien Mensi saw what Miami did
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  Speaker 1: with the last two. Remember cam Ward was a Hiveman
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  Speaker 1: Trophy finalist after transferring to Miami and then Carson Beck
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  Speaker 1: last year. He wants to both have a chance to
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  Speaker 1: win a national title, have a chance to contend for
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  Speaker 1: a Heisman Trophy, and then maximize his chance of being
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  Speaker 1: a high first round draft there and he and he
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  Speaker 1: said a better chance with the games.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he said as much yesterday to your point, right,
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  Speaker 4: looking at Beck and Ward their transfers and how they
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  Speaker 4: worked out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he may.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think anybody's saying that it's not a very
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  Speaker 4: good decision for himself. It's how how it went down. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: So we've got a new play, we've got a new
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  Speaker 4: formula for tiebreakers in the conference, and of course it's convoluted.
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  Speaker 4: How could it not be convoluted, DG When for this season,
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  Speaker 4: five teams will play eight games and twelve teams will
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  Speaker 4: play nine games. They so they have to deal with
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  Speaker 4: that that's kind of wonky. And then there's also the
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  Speaker 4: key part in there where they're using this sports source
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  Speaker 4: analytics team ranking system to try to make sure that
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  Speaker 4: what happened last year, almost having your best team miss
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  Speaker 4: out like myamy not happen again, and make sure you
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  Speaker 4: get your best teams in the conference title game. Do
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  Speaker 4: you like this, you know, playoff or a tiebreaker change
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  Speaker 4: or no.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was absolutely necessary because the bottom line
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  Speaker 1: in this sport right now is you have to have
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of teams contending for a national championship. We
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  Speaker 1: all know football TV money is the tail that wags
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  Speaker 1: the dog in college athletics, and the Atlantic Coast Conference,
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  Speaker 1: having fallen way behind the big ten in the SEC, financially,
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  Speaker 1: just has to do everything it can to maximize its
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  Speaker 1: football product. In fact, Jim Phillips said, I thought the
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  Speaker 1: number of the day yesterday, the ACC Commissioner said, year
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  Speaker 1: over year, viewership is up sixty eight percent for ACC football.
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  Speaker 1: That's one of the best little nuggets I've heard about
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  Speaker 1: ACC football in a long time. But this tiebreaker change
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  Speaker 1: obviously does exactly what you just said. In the Miami scenario,
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  Speaker 1: the Kains would have played in the ACC title game
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  Speaker 1: last here under this new tiebreaker formula that would have
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  Speaker 1: protected the cage chances. Of me they ended up getting
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  Speaker 1: in right, so it got it all worked out. They
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  Speaker 1: played in the national championship game. But the acc has
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  Speaker 1: to control the rules that it can control. This is
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  Speaker 1: the smarter way to do it, and we are going
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  Speaker 1: to have late season debates, man, you know it. One
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  Speaker 1: of these coaches that plays a toper schedule and maybe
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  Speaker 1: has to play one more conference game is going to
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  Speaker 1: have the same number of wins as another coach that
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  Speaker 1: had a lighter schedule, and they might even have a
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  Speaker 1: different number of losses. And yet this, this tiebreaker system
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  Speaker 1: is going to get convoluted in that context. So we'll
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  Speaker 1: see that. I do think it's a massive step in
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  Speaker 1: the right direction.
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  Speaker 4: DG.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know?
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  Speaker 4: Do you You're you've got the lawyer in your background,
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  Speaker 4: so maybe you read the five print that I didn't,
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  Speaker 4: But do you know the answer to this question? We
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  Speaker 4: were asking about this earlier, because if you're seven and two,
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  Speaker 4: you're tied with seven and one, right like and right.
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  Speaker 4: And if you're seven and two, you're also tied with
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  Speaker 4: six and two, right like you. The whole point is
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  Speaker 4: that if you have the same amount of wins or losses,
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  Speaker 4: they don't want to penalize you because they have five
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  Speaker 4: teams playing eight games and twelve playing nine. What happens
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  Speaker 4: if you have a three way tie between eight and
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  Speaker 4: one and seven and one, they're theoretically tied, but then
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  Speaker 4: seven and two was also tie with seven and one,
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  Speaker 4: but not with eight and one.
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  Speaker 2: Did you have a three way tiebreaker?
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  Speaker 5: Then?
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  Speaker 2: Do you know the answer to that?
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  Speaker 1: It's complicated, as I often wrote up my law school
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  Speaker 1: exempts or it depends. As the famous phrase in law school,
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  Speaker 1: the head to head results always matter most. So in
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  Speaker 1: your hypothetical three way tie, we do have to first
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  Speaker 1: look did any two of the three play each other?
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  Speaker 1: That would separate the winner of that head to head matchup. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: if they all played each other and one team beat
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  Speaker 1: both of the other two, well then that one's easy.
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  Speaker 1: But what if they didn't all play each other? What
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  Speaker 1: if none of them played each other? That's where that
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  Speaker 1: stats formula that you described comes into play. And the
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  Speaker 1: bottom line is they want to reward the broader body
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  Speaker 1: of work and protect the team that might have had
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  Speaker 1: not as dominant an acc specific record. But if they
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  Speaker 1: went you know, eleven and one or ten and two
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  Speaker 1: or whatever it turns out to be. And remember Duke
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  Speaker 1: last year, Duke was only a seven and five football
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  Speaker 1: team that got into the AEC title game. They don't
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  Speaker 1: want that to happen again, because that team is not
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  Speaker 1: going to make the playoffs even if it wins the
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  Speaker 1: a SEC title, as happened with the Devil last year.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're right, that's there.
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  Speaker 1: We are, but there's some hypotheticals. We can't even think
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 4: It's crazy. We'll talk all about it. I just that
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  Speaker 4: scenario just my mind exploded. But I think you had
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  Speaker 4: explained it pretty good that they want to get it
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  Speaker 4: down to maybe head to head and you know, eliminate
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  Speaker 4: teams that way. We'll see how it plays out. But
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  Speaker 4: it could lead to a mess. It could lead to
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  Speaker 4: a mess. But I do like the fact they're rewarding
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  Speaker 4: that whole body of work and strength of your skeedu
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  Speaker 4: is included in that formula too.
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  Speaker 2: I like that. I like that as well.
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  Speaker 4: Today, Dabo Sweeney, you're gonna get a chance to talk
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  Speaker 4: to Dabbo today. He's going to be a huge storyline.
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  Speaker 4: What's your feeling for where Clemson is at right now?
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  Speaker 4: Like a lot of us say, man, Dabo, I don't
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  Speaker 4: think you're gonna you know, my kind of feeling is,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think you're going to drop to levels where
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  Speaker 4: you know, the program stinks, but I'm not sure we're
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  Speaker 4: ever gonna see you again when you were literally one
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  Speaker 4: of the two best programs in college football. Do you
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  Speaker 4: kind of agree with that? Like, where do you think
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  Speaker 4: Clemson football's headed under Dabo?
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, I've had dozens of fun conversations
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  Speaker 1: with Dabo over twenty years at this point, and I
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  Speaker 1: have to rethink how I'm gonna ask him questions today
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  Speaker 1: because he's speaking in an entirely different language than he
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  Speaker 1: used to. He will only say things mac like we
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  Speaker 1: just need to get the arrow pointed back in the
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  Speaker 1: right direction, you know, And that's the arrow pointed up
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  Speaker 1: from a seven and six debacle last year. We'll remember
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  Speaker 1: Clemson had nine NFL draft picks from that team, that's
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  Speaker 1: the same as the Miami Hurricanes had, and the Kings
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  Speaker 1: played in the national title game with the Tigers fell
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  Speaker 1: to seven and six. So Debo receives questions differently than
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  Speaker 1: he used to. He's a little bit defensive about what
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  Speaker 1: has happened. To answer your question, I think they'll be
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  Speaker 1: better this year, but I don't think they're going to
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  Speaker 1: be that program. Remember from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: six straight years. They won the ACC title all six years,
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  Speaker 1: and they won the national title two of the six
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  Speaker 1: and they never finished lower than fourth in the final
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  Speaker 1: polls sixth straight years, never lower than number four. And
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  Speaker 1: since twenty twenty, obviously they've been good till last year.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they were top twenty five to four years prior.
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  Speaker 1: They won two of the last four ACC titles. Even
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  Speaker 1: as we're talking about them crashing to seven and six.
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  Speaker 1: So better, yes, But Christopher Vezina their new quarterback, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's in his fourth year in the program and is
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  Speaker 1: only card one game, so that's not a sure thing.
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  Speaker 1: The way of DeShawn Watson or at Trevor Lawrence were
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  Speaker 1: back in the day. There's just not as much old
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  Speaker 1: talent and depth as the Tigers used to have. That's
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  Speaker 1: in Parkcos Devo resisted the transfer portal for a while,
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  Speaker 1: So we'll get into some of those philosophical questions today.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think the Tigers are up there next
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  Speaker 1: to the Miami Hurricanes right now, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: No doubt about it, no doubt about it. All right.
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  Speaker 4: Check it out NC Sports Network on YouTube. DG has
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  Speaker 4: videos up there, some good stuff with Dave Dorin and
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  Speaker 4: it'll continue through ACCB to days and it's a great
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  Speaker 4: spot for a guy that knows sports in North Carolina
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  Speaker 4: and is still covering it. Great NC Sports Network on YouTube.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, DG. Appreciate you man.
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  Speaker 1: Right back as you Max. Keep up the good work, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, YouTube? Be good.
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  Speaker 4: That is David Glenn joining us here on the Mac
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  Speaker 4: and Bone Show, and that kind of sets the table
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  Speaker 4: because we're going to get into the tiebreaker and whether
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  Speaker 4: it makes sense to you what did the ACC nail
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  Speaker 4: this tiebreaker or are there more problems that come with
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  Speaker 4: it now like you might have solved one, but you
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  Speaker 4: create more. And then the mensa thing we've gotten textro
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  Speaker 4: a bunch of Duke fans who are not letting it go. Earlier,
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  Speaker 4: a Carolina fan brought out his inner Elsa and told
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  Speaker 4: the Duke fans to let it go, let it go,
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  Speaker 4: and they don't want to. So we'll get into that
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  Speaker 4: whole thing. Did mensa do duke dirty? Or did mensa
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  Speaker 4: just do twenty twenty six college football? Did Miami dude
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  Speaker 4: duke dirty? Or was it just twenty twenty six college football?
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  Speaker 4: A couple of things. I got a update here, Fiddy
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  Speaker 4: Triple Dipper says that's oh no, he's not the one.
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  Speaker 2: He's not the one. Where's the guy that said this? Okay,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: t paint.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: Remember our story about the viral video that barstool posted
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: where the guy they were trying to pull him out
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: of the hole in the porta John he fell in
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: to the nasty porta John hole. This dude says he
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: didn't fall in, he climbed in, claiming he dropped his
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: mountain dew and then got stuck in there. Who willingly
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: goes in there? So I gotta get more information on this.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: This makes it even more ridiculous.
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: When they say do the do, That doesn't mean you're
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: searching through pooh to get the do?
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: What's your do gonna be? It's gonna be It's gonna
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: be be poo doo.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be mountain pooh fitty is what it's
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: gonna be once you get in there.
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: The other thing is the ESPN Daily Rankings, where the executive,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: coaches and the scouts vote on each position. It's been
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: released for the safety position, and we've been very eager
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: for this because we think Trayvon Merrick is still underrated
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: but starting to get more shine. He did not make
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: the top ten, but fiddy, he's basically in the twelve spot.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: He's the second in the honorable mention. And listen to
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: this quote from an NFL DB's coach at merrig one
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: of the most versatile players in the league. He can
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: play safety, dime or nickel, really good rusher. He can blitz,
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: take on blocks like a linebacker, and can also be
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: productive in the deep part of the field. He can
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: do every damn thing. He probably should be at least
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: fitty in the last few of the top ten, honestly,
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: but I think because I'm used to our players being
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: overlooked during this season, of getting angry about it, I
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: think I will choose to like the fact that he
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: was that close to the top ten. But I don't
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: think enough people know what that dB coach just said.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: The absolute chess piece that that dude is.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the ability to play linebacker, it was
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: huge for this team down the stretch last year. Just
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: the versatility that he brings. The leadership that he brings
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: is also invaluable. So I'm with you. I thought he
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: was going to be top ten, probably in that seven
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: eight nine range. Twelve is still okay, he's a top
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: third defensive back, your safety in the National Football League,
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: but he's he's better than that. Just so we said
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: with Derek Brown, dB wasn't getting the love that he's
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: now starting to receive from the national media. Marrek is
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: better than the twelfth best safety in the NFL, and
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: I think he'll I think he'll prove that this year.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: And this is why MAC like like this and we
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: win right Yeah, to your point, I think he ends
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: up in top ten.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: And this is why we did the topic last year,
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: like what game you want to win the most? I said,
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: like the Lions game, Like I want the primetime games
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: because back of this team wins in primetime, then they
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: can't not talk about them the next day on the
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: on the on the national shows like those, they still
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: might talk about the team that lost more, but they'll
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: have to talk about how Carolina won the game. And
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: that's when Brown merrig starts. Those names will get even more.
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: Ill already get it, definitely.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I love it. Panther Fitty, I love the vibes you're
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: putting out there.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Baby, all right, so when we come back, Okay, let's
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: let's talk amongst ourselves some of the storylines that we
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: talked about with David Glenn, acc Tiberg or some of
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: you are still saying you we don't understand even after
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: our conversation with DG. How it works ACZ tiebreaker changes,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Does it make sense? Or is it going to lead
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: to more problems? And the Darien Mensa thing? Duke fans
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: let it go? Or was Duke done dirty and they
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: should never forget? Somebody says I will never forget, So anyway,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: we'll talk about those things next. Sports Radio ninety two
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: seven WFNZ.
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: This year also marks the introduction of a new championship
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: tie breaking procedure. Following a thoughtful data driven review biro
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: Athletic directors, including the evaluation of more than ten thousand
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: simulated season outcomes, we have adopted an approach that is
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: built on three guiding principles. First, head to head results
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: will always matter most. Second, no team will be unfairly
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: rewarded or penalized based on the number of conference games
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: it's played. And Third, when head to head competition cannot
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: separate tied teams, the team with the strongest overall body
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: of work will earn the opportunity to compete for the
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: ACC Championship and the CFP AQ.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: That was the official announcement, and he didn't get into
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: the specifics, but that was Jim Phillips letting everybody know, Okay,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: here's the basic theories behind our new playoff, and I
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: do want to talk about that.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: We have a text that.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Says, did mac just ask if we as fans want
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: to praise the ACC or we want to nitpick what
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: they did with the new playoff formula, what do you
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: think we're gonna do? That is true Jim Phillips and
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: the ACC. There's not much they do without a little
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: bit of scrutiny. It's far, it's not perfect, it's not perfect,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: but I think we have to acknowledge its better. I
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: think that definitely has to be acknowledged. And we'll get
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: into this whole thing, the mensa thing. What did Darius
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: Mensis Dari Mensis say yesterday when asked about leaving Duke
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: with the portal literally closing within a couple hours.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: That's the timing of it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Killed Duke and then he takes his buddy Cooper Barky
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: with him. But anyway, we'll get to that in a second. Here,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: but this playoff formula. So the Miami situation had almost
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: happened last year where the ACC was left out of
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: a playoff and their best team is missing and their
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: champions got five losses. They don't want to deal with
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: that ever again, right, So we implored them to address it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Did they do it the way we were saying most
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: of us are saying to do it. No, but I
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: think it might accomplish the same result. Okay, so head
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: to head in any tiebreaker, head to head's going to
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: win out. That makes total sense. Then they go to
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: this team's success ranking, which is from a place called
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: Sports Source Analytics. It's actually it's an obviously an analytic
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: number that will factor in who you play. It factors
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: in your whole schedule, so this is not just ACC
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: schedule base.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: So I like that.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Clearly you could see what they're trying to do their
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: fitty right, that they're trying to this. They believe in
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: this ranking. They said they ran like ten thousand simulations
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: and they think this will get the best team. Now,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know, somebody argued earlier, why are we using
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: computers in this whole thing? I don't think it's perfect,
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: but I think it will most of the time do
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: what they're trying to do. If that, if somehow they're
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: tied in that metric, they then do a drawing by
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: the commissioner. The commissioner will put the best team's name
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: in the hat ten times and the other team's name
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: in the hat and zero times. I believe that's how
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: the drawing then will work. It does get what do
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: you think about that? Let's talk about that part of
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: it right there. Do you have a problem with the analytics?
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: We had multiple people saying, why can't you use the
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: playoff ranking the team with the because that's what I
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: had been saying all along. I think the argument against it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: David Hale was saying this on ACC Network as Fitty
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: that the playoff ranking wouldn't come out after the final
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: regular season weekend until Tuesday. You can't wait till Tuesday
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: to name your ACC you know, title game participants.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: No, you cannot. And this is I think the argument
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: for that show. Remember there was a lot of conversation
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: about the future of the Playoffs show on Tuesday maybe
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: going away. I've always thought in my head, I get
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: why they put it on Tuesday, like it's it's after
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: the NFL weekend has coming gone. It's a great way
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: to kind of stroke up conversation in college football that
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: that should come out on Sunday, Like you get, you
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: get all the polls on Sunday, we should get in
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: the college wall rankings.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: But on TV?
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: But TV or because do you think they could do
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: you think they know their rankings by Sunday? You think
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: they could give the acc here's how your teams are ordered.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: We're not gonna give you anything else, but here's how
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: your teams are ordered. So you can do that so
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: you can know one's Sunday of that week. Hey, who's
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: who's our teams? Because I would still rather use because
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: this analytics thing is a part of the committee's criteria,
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: but it's not the whole crowd. I would still this too,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: says why would y'all want the committee involved? They screw
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: up everything nationally. I guess that's the debate. Would you
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: rather have an analytics formula computer formula or would you
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: rather have the whole thing with formulas and people involved.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I don't have an.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: Issue with the analytics being involved here, Like.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: You see it better, it's still an improvement.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: You see it in college basketball. They use analytic data
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: to determine teams that make the tournament. We know the
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: analytics BacT. They have a role in every sport now
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: like they play. They Depending on the sport, they may.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Have a larger role.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: But analytics factor into decisions that are that are being made.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: It's it's better.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: It's still not perfect, but they ran ten thousand simulations.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: I wonder how many times they had to get to
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: as long as they can avoid the commissioner having to
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: draw a name, I think it's better than what you
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: went through last year, where you you ran the risk
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: of not having your best team. First off, not in Charlotte,
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: and secondly, there was a chance that they were gonna
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: be left out of the playoffs completely. I think that
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: they've lowered the risk of that happening. That mission is
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: that was the biggest goal? How about that was the
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: big was a big mission? That's miss What do you
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: think about this?
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: This Texter says, am I the only one that agrees
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: with Adam Gold's theory, and Goldie did tweet this out yesterday.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: If there's a tie, let the acc pick who they
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: prefer to be there. What's in the best interests of
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: the conference. Here's the thing that is going like, yes,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: that would accomplish your goal, right, the acc would literally
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: be able to let me put our best ranked teams,
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: our best teams in there. That doesn't seem fair though
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: that does, that does not doesn't have to be more
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: arbitrary than that. Then literally, like the conference can set
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: up a system like this where damn near all the
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: time your best teams are going to get in. You
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: can't literally be choosing a team, can You can't have
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: the conference literally be like we want them in. That's
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: what everybody already thinks these conferences do when the best
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: teams get calls.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know about all that.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't go as far as as Goldie would go.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Now, how about this part of it? How about this
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: part of it?
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Fitty the tie breakers though, because here's where it gets wonky,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: the fact that they have five teams playing eight games
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: this year in the conference and five and twelve teams
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: playing nine games this year and at least next year
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: it'll start where it's only one team plays eight games.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: But because they have seventeen teams, a nine games conference
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: schedule doesn't work out perfectly. But this year it's really
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: ridiculous cause five teams including Clemson and Carolina are going
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: to play only eight, so they have to do something
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: for tie breakers if those teams are tied with the
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: same amount of wins with different records. So if you
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: are tied with the same amount of wins you are,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: you go into the tie breaker. So seven and one
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: equals seven and two. If you are tied with the
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: same amount of losses, you go into the tie breaker.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: So seven and two equals six and two. Here's my
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: question about this, and that thing is crazy that that
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: just leads you all kinds of problems. We asked David Glenn,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: what if you have three team tie breakers? Here's the thing, though,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: why can't you just do conference winning percentage? Like if
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: you have this screwed up thing, which is totally hashtag
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: go acc by the way, to have five teams playing
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: a different amount of games. But if you have this
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: this wonky thing, why don't you just do winning percentage?
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Seven and one and seven and two should not be
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: the same, Yeah, because they're not. They're not equal. No,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: seven and one had a better season.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: Like if you ever look at a if you ever
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: look at a baseball standing in the team seven and
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: one in Team seven and two, they're not they're not
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: shown the same in the standings. That shouldn't be the
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: same in football. The good news is MAC, is that
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: we only got to deal with this for like one year.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: And then it's down only one team.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: So then the tip the chance of a tie with
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: different amount of games significantly decreases.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Then big time, and then and the back.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: They had to go to nine to keep up with
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: all the other conferences that went to nine conference.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I completely agree.
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: Which is which is a I I agree with it,
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: Like I think I'm in football in favor of more
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: conference games as we're posed to basketball. I was in
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: favor of them reducing the conference games, like I want
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: to see the SEC play nine that they're doing that.
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: I want to see the Big ten play nine they're
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: doing that. I want to see the a CEC play
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: nine doing that. But you should have done you just
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: added another team a team league and then this would
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: have just added a team.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Just say we can't schedule. My head hurts.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: Bring another team in here, all right, let's get to
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: this mensus name who you have a scheduling agreement already with. Oh,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: that's right, on us when they need us seven oh four, five, seven, nine, six, ten,
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: eight and one and seven and one are not equal.
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: One.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Brian says Mac nailed the the biggest problem. Seven and
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: one equals seven and two and seven and two equals
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: six and two. But how the hell does or no
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: set eight to one equals seven and one. Seven to
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: one equals seven and two? But how the hell? But
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: what if a six and two team who is tied
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: with a seven and two team is then somehow does
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: that make them tie with an eight and one team? Yeah,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: if you get into that situation, my head hurts. My
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: head hurts. We got to get to this mensa thing
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: because I want to throw this in there as well.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: This Listen to this Q and A with Pat Welter
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: from wr L to Darien Mensa and Duke fans decide
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: whether or not you're gonna let this go or stay pissed.
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: I think the criticism of it was that you had
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: recommitted to Duke with the video and then it was
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: like the last day. I guess, how would you kind
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: of respond to those criticisms, like, Hey, you said you
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: were coming back and it was so late that it
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: really put Duke in in difficult pisition.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was just a tough seeis of events. My
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: team and I. I you know, I had been discussing
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: the NFL for a lot of that time, and then
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: you know, we really didn't pivot off that until later
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: in that in that transfer portal cycle. So it was
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: just my own team kind of timing thing that kind of.
• 31:14
  Speaker 9: Was messed up.
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: What was it like being on the kind of whims
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: of the courts in the case the legal case.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: I kind of didn't really pay attention to any that.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: I kind of let my team had all of that.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: I'm sure to play football and I got a lot
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: of faith in my team and my support system around them.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: All right, So there you go. Here's my problem with
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: the Mensa Like. I would have loved if Darian Mensa
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: literally looked doing the camera. And I know he's a
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: young man, you know, I understand at that age, you know,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: it's not easy to get up there and talk. But
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: I would have loved to fit if he looked in
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: the eye and said, I just want everybody a Duke
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: and Duke fans to know, I'm sorry for the way
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: this played out. I understand why you're upset. I understand
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: that this all played out the final day and it
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: left them scrambling for their replacement. And I understand I
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: didn't not do Duke any favors, and I hate that
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: because they were so good to me in my year there,
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Like I would love it if he would say something
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: like that, like that would just and Mario Christopaul, I'm
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: not expecting any apology out of him. These coaches, I mean,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: even your guy Golding at all, miss did something so
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: shameful and pathetic contacting Farelli and sending him pictures a
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: million dollar check while he's in classic Clympson. It's just
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: it's just scummy. But he so, he's not gonna apology.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: None of these coaches gonna apologize. I would have loved
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: it if Darian Mensa could have said something like that yesterday.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: That would have gone a long way, man.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: I think it would have smoothed things over just in
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: the immediate maybe made Duke fans feel like they goes
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: Mac what on the surface, he used he used Duke
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: to He leveraged Duke to get to Miami where yes,
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: he can play for a national championship. He also as
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: the highest and il evaluation of any of any college athlete.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: We saw that lest they gave him six million plus
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: already making four million a year at Duke. I'll put
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: it this way, Fitty, this situation to me, other than saying, man,
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: I wish Mensa would have said something like I said, there, Mets,
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: you should have said what I would have said. But
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: I think it's more of a hate the hate the
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: don't hate to play, you hate the game. Almostcrewed that
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: up because I'm an old unk don't hate to play
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: a hate the game situation.
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: This is why Matt we need like we needed restrictions.
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: I'm I'm pro player movement. I've I've come around to
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: the idea of being open to the transfer portal. But man,
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: there's there's gotta be some guidelines. There's gotta be there's
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: gotta be some way to stop this.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: We stop that.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: He signed a two year contract and he bolted after
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: one of the two. He's signed a two year, eight million.
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: Dollars time that at the eleventh hour.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: So that's my thing is, don't hate to play, you
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: hate the game, Like, well, will y'all accept this, Duke fans?
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: Or you want to hate the player and the game
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: because the game allows him to get out of that contract.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: These contract should be ironclad, but of course they're not
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: because you can go to court and and and it
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: seems like the powers always to the player. This Texas says,
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: the problem is he did a video pledging that he's
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: coming back to Duke. Miami watched the video and still
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: said we got to contact him. Yeah, I mean, there's
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: definitely It's not the most ethical thing in the world,
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: but I don't know. I'm just kind of accepting that
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: that's what's going on. Yes, there's tampering going on there. Yes,
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: I hate it. I'll say that this dude said, if
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: this happened to Carolina or State, Mack would be crying
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: like a baby, but he won't stand up for Duke.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: I hate it for Duke. I said it when it
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: happened Fitty. I hate that it played out this way.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: I just think the I just think you gotta be
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: more mad at just the lack of like you're saying,
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: you know, the lack of any regulation.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Or rules or any way to enforce these rules.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: Which is why Jim Phillips was I mean pushing and
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: making it known that he's a firm believer in the
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: same college Sports Act and then that he feels like
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: it's necessarily needed because look at the situations that have
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: impacted his conference directly. You have the Mensa situation with
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: Duke in Miami, you have the Farelli situation with Clemson
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: and Ole Miss. There's there's instances that just make them,
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: that turn people off, that make people probably say, you
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: know what, I'm done because they look at what mat
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: because he re he recommitted to Duke.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Video, I mean, he did them dirty and doubt.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: At the eleventh hour of the ninth of the portal
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: was coming to an end. I know it's it is
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden, You're you're bolting for Miami, and
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: we know, we know what Miami is is paying you,
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: and I don't criticize the financial decision. How do you
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: turn down that's that's like he got he got paid
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: life changing money last year at Duke. Yeah, but now
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: you've got even more life changing and a.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Chance to play on a better team and showcase your
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: talent team better to this point, because I know we
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: got to get you to do a British.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Open update Fitty Open Championship.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: But as right, the seven oh four number on the
• 36:02
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• 36:05
  Speaker 4: advise him to go to Miami more money and a
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: better chance to showcase his talent.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm not saying he made a bad decision for him.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying the way it went down, Man, it's
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: a bit he did duke a bit dirty. No, that
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: guy in the porta John, speaking of that nine to
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: eight Oho number, Mac, I don't want to say I'm
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: angry at Mensa, but I would love to see him
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: dumped in a porta John for about an hour.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: That's a tooth fan, all right. Anyway, get to the man.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I love this.
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• 36:41
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• 36:43
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• 38:09
  Speaker 4: All right, Well we come back, y'all. Summer League. I
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: wish it was in the books. They got one more
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: game on Friday. We got something awesome to talk about
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: from Summer League. From Hannah Steinbach, Texters are texting and
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: questioning Christian Anderson. We got to talk about these rookies.
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• 38:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 38:53
  Speaker 9: I thought he was really aggressive in space and there
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: oppression and they're switching a bunch with their five, so
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: they're trying to get into him and he's able to
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: drive by them. And then you know, posting switches, whether
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: it was after the red or in early offense when
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: he had a cross match, getting down there and just
• 39:07
  Speaker 9: being aggressive in the paint, getting two feet in there,
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: finishing in traffic.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: That is blame Mueller, the Hornets assistant, who is the
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: head coach, and the summer league team. This summer league
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: team is not going to exactly be celebrated, and remember
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: quite the way last year's team was. Oh my gosh,
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: some of this stuff is painful. And I'm telling you,
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: y'all that's talking about Hannes Steinbach. He dominated the second half.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: The game was hard to watch in so many ways.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: This team they sat in fairness, they sat seeon Kalkbrenner
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: and McNeely, which probably they should do at this point.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: So it is what it is in that respect. But
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Steinbach single handedly made that second half worth not giving
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: up on. He was amazing so we got to talk
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: about that. We also have an amazing tidbit about Murphy
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: the puppy and what he has done Bon's house. This
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: is absolutely hilarious. So remind me, Fitty before the end,
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: before too long here in this segment. At the end
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: of the segment, we got to drop that one on
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: you because this dog I believe may have gone too far.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: I believe now he may have really ticked off bone
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: before his Nashville trip. But let's talk about Steinbach, and
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: people are texting about Anderson. There's a lot of Anderson's
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: skepticism on the text line. There's a there's there's been
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: a lot of we need a veteran point guard after
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: watching Anderson and Sion and I understand that one. Steinbach, though, Fitty,
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: what a second half. That's what I've been waiting for.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: I've been waiting for him to get featured more offensively,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: and he did finished so well in the post rebounded,
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, the rebounding thing is so much fun to watch.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: Seven offensive rebounds, fifteen total rebounds. He ends up putting
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: up twenty seven points last night as well, twenty seven
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: to fifteen to three assists, and man, he's got touch
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: around the basket. He's physical and strong. He will get stronger.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: Knows when a guy starts driving where to be right,
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Like get to the dunker spot, let me catch and finish.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: He actually pump faked.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: On a close out, had a nice drive, didn't finish it,
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: but like there's something there. He hasn't shot in threes,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: but he was thirty four percent three point shooting in college.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: I need him to be a part of the rotation
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: from day one. Do you think he will like where?
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Does he will deal with Anderson in a second? Like
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: is able to ask? Is Anderson a rotation day one
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: guy too? But Hannah Steinbach, I don't know if it's
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: backup center. I saw not Edwards bring up he thinks
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: he thinks he should be the starting center. What do
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: you think Steinbach's role should be at the start?
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Fitty?
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: I don't know if I'm willing to say that he
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: should be a starter back. He'll be a part of
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: the opening night rotation, and he's gonna, I would think,
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: give consistent minutes for this whole on its team because
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: the rebounding alone is gonna is gonna force him his
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: way onto the court right and He's a different type
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: of rebounder obviously the Musa. Like when Musa gets his
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: offensive rebounds with his energenous hustle and doing all the
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: dirty work, you want him to get the ball, kick
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: it back out to a relocated Colm, Brandon Miller, Kobe
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: White and there and they're taking a three with Steinbach.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: What I love about him is when he gets offensive
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: rebounds is is the way he keeps the ball high.
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: Is he's able to go back up and score and finish.
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: And that's that's the biggest thing for that's looking for
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: and a young big is can you catch the ball high?
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: And can you keep it high?
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: And if you can do that, you have a lot
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: more uh you your your success rate near the rim
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: goes up a lot higher. So I think just the
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: rebounding alone is gonna get him on the floor.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Got to guy.
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: I also think he plays bigger than his size, like
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: they're like. I think he plays bigger than what his
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: frame is. And as you mentioned, he's gonna get stronger.
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: He he's gonna put on you think at least ten
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: to fifteen pounds a muscle. But he just the feel
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: for the game I thought was visible, the ability as
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: you said to put the ball on the floor, make.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: That drive you want to. He finished a couple of
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: dribbles in a nice finish.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't spiking toward his body in the air.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: So let's read up police texts here seven oh four.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: People start to get mean a boy, Christian Anderson. Let's
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: read these texts seven oh four, five, seven oh nine, six,
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: ten Steinbach and Anderson. If you watch them at all
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: in the summer league or just you're feeling about them
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: just from when they were drafted to like where do
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: they fit in the rotation? Some people are calling out
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: Steinbach's defense. Yeah, I mean he's not going to protect
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: the rim and the close out the stuff when he
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: gets out in space like there's still you know what
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's some work there. I would say backup center,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: and the cook Brenner nation might get mad at me.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: I would say backup center, and I would make the
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: four man rotation Nas and Grant Williams. I don't think
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: you can take Nas and Grant Williams out of the
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: rotation of the four, can you?
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Those are two really good options. So I think it's
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: got to be the five you got. I think he's
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: more of a net positive than Klkbrenner because the offense
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: he brings the rebounding Klokbrenner somehow doesn't defensive rebound as
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: big as he is. But you would lose the you
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: would lose the rim protection, you would lose that.
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: But mac Kalchbrenner, I thought got bullied. You have Bache
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: of the first Summer League game, like I thought, he
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: got pushed off his spot way too many times for
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: my liking. I just think his body. I think his
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: frame needs to be worked on. And look, with the
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: way that Jeff Peterson talked about nas reed, he's going
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: to be your starting for man, I'd like Grant Williams
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: being in net rotation there as well. I do think, though,
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: that you can't play Steinbach and Mussa together.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: I do think, god you would where would the rebounds
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: be for the opponent? We would get all the damn
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: offensive boards. Man, That is an enticing idea too.
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: My girlfriend not a existent which which which I think
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: is very enticing, is you could put those two plus
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: rebounders but nothing. You still have space the floor, like
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: I so, I think that's that's very enticing with those
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: two dudes.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: All right, the Anderson thing, because they do kind of
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: have five guys for four spots there.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: And I'm not even mentioning t.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Jon who who had his best game of the Summer
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: League last last night. The Anderson stuff. Some people are
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: now defending Anderson, which is I don't think we did. Yeah,
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: we definitely don't. You know, need to shred the kid.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: But there is some adjusting that is going on right now.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: You can see it. Uh, Fake Moon says, ten assists
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: from Anderson is nothing to sneeze at. I said, squeeze at, hey, now,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: nothing to sneeze at. Yeah, it does need to be
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: said that. My complaint after the weekend is that he
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: had won assist in two games and I know where
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: they weren't putting the ball in his hands a ton.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: You know, he's playing off ball a lot. But I
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: was like, where's the playmaking? The kid averaged almost eight
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: assist a game last year in college. You saw a
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: lot more of that yesterday. So that was good. But
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: the shot wasn't falling. But I'm not worried about his shot.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: I see that that form is just beautiful.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: I know he I know he can shoot the basketball,
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: but I do think at times he's weak with the ball,
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: can get pushed off of it. They doubled him off
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: a pick and roll, he lost it. The guy had
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: him out, trapped out by the mid court line, lost
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: the ball. I would still like a veteran point I
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: would still feel better if Christian Anderson could be eased
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: in and doesn't have to be the backup point guard
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: right away.
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: Totally agree with you, Matt.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: That's fair, right, I'm not. We're not shredding him. We're
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: not writing him off.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: Some textures are trying to write him off, Size matm
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: This guy says, my wife's my wife told me size Matt, Sir,
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: you deal with that at the home. I don't want
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: to be brought into that because my wife says the
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: complete opposite. Thank God for that. But anyway, can I
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: say too much? But anyway, be fair to him. Maybe
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: you don't want him having the primary backup minutes right away.
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: No I would, I wouldn't think so. The biggest issue
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: for him, Mac is he looks small. He looks tiny.
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: You mentioned what he can do in the pick and roll.
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: But here's the thing. People are gonna just they're gonna
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: blitz it. They're gonna trap it and they'll they'll be
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: their hands will be in the pass and lanes, getting deflection,
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: steals and whatnot. The shooting, I think he's going have
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: to become an off ball shooter. I think he's going
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: to become a catch and shoot guy, like his first
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: row was in Transition where he just costep right into
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: it and shot it, because I don't if he's gonna
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: be able to shoot over bigger defenders at the NBA level.
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: It's different in college where you can make tough shots
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: over guys that are your same size, but you're you're
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: going against dudes and the something that already bigger than you.
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: It's gonna get even worse when he gets to the
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: NBA level.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: He's got, so.
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: There's gonna be I think there'll be some time in
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: Greensboro for him where I think they're bringing him back
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: and forth. But I do think Jeff Peterson, you're gonna
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: have to go get a vet.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: I think the interesting idea though from Redhead, could they
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: use Trey Man as a backup. Trey Man is a
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: forgotten man. It's almost to the point where I'm waiting
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: for him to be traded.
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: I just so if he plays more, so you can
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: justify how much you spend on that jersey for a
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: little Matt.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: I still can't believe that's the player he wanted and
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: that backfired on him so badly.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know that's an interesting idea.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: Trey Man's got a problem staying healthy himself and obviously
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: did not play with confidence last year. I'd like to
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: take a look at the backup point guard market, but anyway,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: we'll talk about it real quick. Update on Murphy the
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: dog is Bone gets ready to drop him off at
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: the doggy daycare place to watch him while he's away
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: in Nashville. The latest developments, Murphy has chewed up a
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: du cat. This could be it this dog when you
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: and I have been worried that Bone will lose patience
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: and Murphy will go back and be taken back, and
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: we don't want that to happen to the pup. I
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: don't know though, if he can survive tearing up a
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: duke cat. Is it possible? This is a UNC dog,
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: but this is dog is a UNC plant. Is that possible?
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: I'd love to think so. He also got a CVS receipt.
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: I'd love to know what Bone was buying at the
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: local CVS and then, according to the tweet, he was
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: up for fifteen minutes and tore up a CVS receiat
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: in a do cat.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: So God, Bone needs training. Bone needs like five trainers,
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: twenty four hour day training for this dog.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Holy crap.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: Anyway, all right, I thought Carolina fans would like that,
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: knowing that Bone's ducat got chewed up.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: He's got about seventy eight others. No, all right, well
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: we come back.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: We mentioned Finny gave you the update on the British Open,
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: Scotty and Deshambo. Pretty good starts. Let's talk through what's
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: going on at Royal Birkdale. Our guy Alex Lewis joins
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: Alex Myers.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Why not call Alex.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Lewis, he's our guy, though I swear Alex Myers joins us.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Next clean up on Aisle two, y'all,