Latest / Moser, Lombardi and Kane / 9-29-26 Hour 3 - The Broncos are who we thought they were/Adam Schefter/"The Colorado thing is over"
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- 0:00Speaker 1: This is Mosher Lombardi and Kane On Demand. Listen live
- 0:05Speaker 1: every weekday morning from 7 to 10 on Altitude Sports
- 0:08Speaker 1: Radio 92.5 and on the Altitude Sports Radio app.
- 0:18Speaker 2: Hey, what's up, everybody?
- 0:20Speaker 3: You know, unfortunately, I missed yesterday's show.
- 0:22Speaker 2: I was not even able to tune in, courtesy of
- 0:25Speaker 2: the Altitude Sports Radio app powered by the Wilhite Law Firm.
- 0:28Speaker 2: Injury lawyers, go to WilhiteWins.com. That's WilhiteWins.com. But even though
- 0:33Speaker 2: I missed the show, I'm pretty sure I could tell
- 0:37Speaker 2: you exactly how it went down. So I'm going to
- 0:40Speaker 2: take a guess.
- 0:42Speaker 4: Here.
- 0:42Speaker 2: Brett probably started the show by bellyaching about how the
- 0:44Speaker 2: Broncos offense was absolute ass for about three quarters against
- 0:47Speaker 2: the Rams, but the offense turned it on when they
- 0:49Speaker 2: need to and mounted another thrilling comeback in the face
- 0:51Speaker 2: of defeat. Bo Nix did what Bo Nix does, but
- 0:52Speaker 2: ultimately the win still came down to the Broncos defense
- 0:55Speaker 2: bailing them out, making plays, in the clutch, and let's
- 0:58Speaker 2: be real, on that last touchdown drive, they got a
- 0:59Speaker 2: lot of favorable calls from the officials, maybe a little
- 1:01Speaker 2: bit of home cooking, courtesy of good old Roger Goodell.
- 1:03Speaker 2: And so Brett was offering up his criticisms of the game,
- 1:05Speaker 2: and everybody got mad at him because shut up, nerd.
- 1:06Speaker 2: How you win doesn't matter. The point is they beat
- 1:08Speaker 2: the Super Bowl favorites in primetime. Another win for the Broncos.
- 1:11Speaker 2: Broncos country, let's ride.
- 1:12Speaker 3: Shut up, Brett.
- 1:13Speaker 2: All the texters were mad at him all morning long
- 1:15Speaker 2: for actually having intellectual thoughts and legitimate criticisms about some
- 1:17Speaker 2: of the shortcomings of this team.
- 1:18Speaker 3: Is that about it?
- 1:21Speaker 2: Did I miss anything? Basically, Brett, I don't know what
- 1:24Speaker 2: they're paying you right now, but it's probably too much
- 1:27Speaker 2: because every Monday morning you just get to come in
- 1:29Speaker 2: and do the same exact show that you've been doing
- 1:31Speaker 2: for at least a year, maybe longer.
- 1:34Speaker 5: It's a very educated guess. But you, sir, are wrong.
- 1:41Speaker 6: How could you be so sure?
- 1:43Speaker 5: I did not do that yesterday. I did not. You
- 1:46Speaker 5: win against the Rams. It's a good win now. Could
- 1:51Speaker 5: I have done the same thing that I've done forever?
- 1:53Speaker 5: Could we have done the same thing, the same show
- 1:55Speaker 5: that we've done for the last year and a half? Yeah,
- 1:56Speaker 5: we probably could have. But I've told you. Sunday changed me.
- 2:03Speaker 5: I've been beaten. I can't keep saying the same thing.
- 2:08Speaker 5: My whole point to talking about the Broncos in that
- 2:11Speaker 5: manner was if you play against the best teams in
- 2:14Speaker 5: the league and have starts like that, it's not going
- 2:17Speaker 5: to work. And guess what?
- 2:18Speaker 6: It worked.
- 2:20Speaker 3: It worked.
- 2:21Speaker 5: And, Vic, you said yesterday that works at home, but
- 2:26Speaker 5: you have to be able to score early on the road,
- 2:29Speaker 5: like this weekend in San Francisco, to which I responded,
- 2:33Speaker 5: do you? Because I don't know if you do.
- 2:36Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 2:37Speaker 5: Now, what do they need on their way to these comebacks?
- 2:40Speaker 5: They need a defensive touchdown. They need maybe a favorable
- 2:45Speaker 5: call on a pass interference. But they just do it.
- 2:48Speaker 5: They do it every week.
- 2:51Speaker 3: I'm done trying to legislate how you win games. I'm done.
- 2:56Speaker 3: Those days, maybe it's my old age, Moshe. Maybe it's
- 3:00Speaker 3: the fact that I'm more calm at my tender age.
- 3:04Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't care how you win.
- 3:07Speaker 5: I don't care.
- 3:09Speaker 3: And if this is who they are and this is
- 3:10Speaker 3: what they're going to be and this is what they
- 3:12Speaker 3: give us every week and you're going to be living
- 3:13Speaker 3: on the edge of your seat and you're going to
- 3:15Speaker 3: be sitting there at halftime saying this is terrible and
- 3:17Speaker 3: at the end of the game, that's fine. So, It's
- 3:21Speaker 3: impossible for us to change who they are. We can't change.
- 3:25Speaker 3: They've tried to change who they are. This is what
- 3:28Speaker 3: they are. Enjoy it.
- 3:30Speaker 7: Let me glom on to both of those statements. I've
- 3:35Speaker 7: maintained for a long time. You can do this for
- 3:39Speaker 7: a while.
- 3:40Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure you can.
- 3:43Speaker 7: But you can't do it forever because that's not a
- 3:46Speaker 7: formula for long-term winning. Okay, hold on a minute.
- 3:50Speaker 3: If you want sustainable... Is it Tom Brokaw? Yeah, I'm
- 3:52Speaker 3: going full.
- 3:53Speaker 7: It's not enough for Tom Brokaw, the football. It's not
- 3:58Speaker 7: sustainable for the long haul.
- 4:00Speaker 3: Oh, you know what, Moj? You're an idiot.
- 4:03Speaker 7: Because it is. Because they're doing it for the long haul,
- 4:06Speaker 7: and they have been doing it for the long haul, Moj.
- 4:09Speaker 7: So you can take all your stats and your facts
- 4:11Speaker 7: and your history, and you can shove them right where
- 4:14Speaker 7: the sun don't shine because that doesn't matter to this team.
- 4:16Speaker 7: This team doesn't care about facts. This team doesn't care
- 4:19Speaker 7: about stats. This team doesn't care about clock differential and
- 4:23Speaker 7: turnover margins, and they don't care. Doesn't matter.
- 4:25Speaker 6: Do you know what they are?
- 4:28Speaker 3: Come on now. Do you know what they are? I
- 4:31Speaker 3: thought about this the other day. The Broncos are like
- 4:33Speaker 3: my college roommate, Mike Shinnick. We would take a lot
- 4:38Speaker 3: of the same classes together, and I would study my
- 4:40Speaker 3: ass off just to get through. I mean, I would
- 4:42Speaker 3: study hard. I would go to every class. That dude
- 4:46Speaker 3: never went to class. Yeah.
- 4:47Speaker 5: Ever.
- 4:48Speaker 3: Never went to class. The week before finals. Hey, Vic,
- 4:51Speaker 3: do you have that Civil War history book?
- 4:54Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 4:55Speaker 3: Can I borrow it real quick? He would read the
- 4:57Speaker 3: book the week before class and ace every class.
- 5:00Speaker 6: Sure.
- 5:01Speaker 3: He retired about 10 years ago after owning a hedge fund. That's, that's,
- 5:06Speaker 3: that's what the Broncos are. They are that team that, wait, you,
- 5:11Speaker 3: how did you do that? They just do it. They
- 5:14Speaker 3: figure it out.
- 5:16Speaker 5: Um, texture says, except when they don't do it, they
- 5:21Speaker 5: pulled it out at home the last two weeks, but
- 5:23Speaker 5: they couldn't rally back against Kansas city.
- 5:25Speaker 4: True. True.
- 5:28Speaker 5: But Let's look at history here. Kansas City game is
- 5:33Speaker 5: the exception to the rule. They've done this. They won
- 5:38Speaker 5: 14 games last year doing this.
- 5:40Speaker 7: 14.
- 5:40Speaker 5: What was the set that we had before the season started?
- 5:43Speaker 5: That they trailed in 15 games last year and they
- 5:48Speaker 5: won 14? And no team has won more than 11
- 5:53Speaker 5: in trailing in 15 games or more in a season?
- 5:56Speaker 5: They've been doing this forever. And I'll say this. In
- 6:00Speaker 5: regards to sustainability and all that different stuff, it's been sustainable.
- 6:08Speaker 5: I watched the Eagles and the Bears last night. I'm
- 6:11Speaker 5: watching the Bears go out there with their third-string quarterback
- 6:14Speaker 5: in Case Keenum, and they put up 27 points, and
- 6:16Speaker 5: they're scoring early in the game. Wasn't their first drive
- 6:19Speaker 5: a touchdown? I think. When's the last time the Broncos
- 6:25Speaker 5: had their opening drive as a touchdown?
- 6:28Speaker 3: Oh, that is a great question. Let me think about that.
- 6:31Speaker 3: Hold on a second. I wasn't in the playoffs. Did
- 6:36Speaker 3: they score the opening touchdown against Buffalo?
- 6:39Speaker 5: I can't remember.
- 6:41Speaker 3: They didn't do it against New England.
- 6:44Speaker 7: No.
- 6:45Speaker 5: Wait a minute. They scored early against New England.
- 6:48Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was early. I don't know if it
- 6:49Speaker 3: was the opening drive, though. I remember the pass to
- 6:52Speaker 3: Mims that set up the touchdown to Sutton. I don't
- 6:55Speaker 3: know if that was the second drive.
- 6:56Speaker 5: It was a three and out.
- 6:57Speaker 3: It was a three and out.
- 7:01Speaker 7: They kicked a field goal on their first possession against Buffalo,
- 7:03Speaker 7: and then the Bills scored a touchdown.
- 7:05Speaker 5: When is the last time?
- 7:06Speaker 7: Then they went three and out. Then the Bills fumbled.
- 7:08Speaker 7: Then they scored a touchdown in the second quarter to
- 7:10Speaker 7: make it 10-7.
- 7:12Speaker 5: You know, it's just something that struck me. And, Vic,
- 7:15Speaker 5: we were talking about it yesterday. The early struggles offensively,
- 7:19Speaker 5: is that a play-calling issue? Is that a personnel issue?
- 7:26Speaker 5: And to the argument of the personnel problem, the opening
- 7:34Speaker 5: drive of the Bears game was a touchdown with a
- 7:36Speaker 5: third-string quarterback. You would think if there's any excuse to
- 7:40Speaker 5: have personnel issues, wouldn't.
- 7:41Speaker 3: It be that?
- 7:42Speaker 5: Wouldn't it be like, oh, we didn't score early because
- 7:45Speaker 5: we had a third-string quarterback and they did it with
- 7:47Speaker 5: Case Keenum?
- 7:48Speaker 3: Again, this team is the ultimate procrastinator. That's what it is.
- 7:53Speaker 3: They procrastinate.
- 7:54Speaker 5: I found it, by the way.
- 7:55Speaker 3: Green Bay Packers.
- 7:57Speaker 4: Nope.
- 7:57Speaker 5: It was Vegas the week before that. It was December 7th.
- 8:02Speaker 3: Are you sure?
- 8:03Speaker 6: Yes.
- 8:04Speaker 5: Their opening drive was a fumble.
- 8:05Speaker 3: Against the Packers. Who did they play on that December 7th?
- 8:11Speaker 5: I just done told you it was the Raiders.
- 8:13Speaker 3: Raiders, okay. Are you in a different sphere?
- 8:16Speaker 7: Yeah, I looked it up, and AI Overview says it
- 8:18Speaker 7: was December 7, 2025 against the Packers.
- 8:21Speaker 5: Well, don't trust the robots, because I'm looking at it
- 8:24Speaker 5: right now.
- 8:25Speaker 3: Robots an idiot. Hey, you know, the Broncos just, and
- 8:30Speaker 3: you got to start to wonder now, if these opening
- 8:32Speaker 3: drives aren't working, is it the script? Is it the
- 8:34Speaker 3: play call? Is it the execution? What is it?
- 8:37Speaker 5: But that's what I'm asking, Vic. Look at last night.
- 8:40Speaker 5: The Bears scored on their opening drive with Case Keenum,
- 8:42Speaker 5: a third-string quarterback.
- 8:44Speaker 3: So how much of it is the script versus the execution?
- 8:46Speaker 3: Case Keenum.
- 8:48Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
- 8:49Speaker 3: I think there's a degree, guys, because you don't do
- 8:51Speaker 3: it often. And the old Shanahan Broncos were renowned for
- 8:55Speaker 3: scoring on the first play, on the first series. They
- 8:57Speaker 3: did it all the time. They just were so good
- 8:59Speaker 3: at that, right? And they had a confidence because they
- 9:03Speaker 3: saw that script and they said, oh yeah, we got it.
- 9:06Speaker 3: I think There's so little confidence with this team on
- 9:11Speaker 3: the opening drive that it's a team thing. It's like, oh, crap.
- 9:15Speaker 3: Here we go again. Three and out. Yeah. Like, if
- 9:18Speaker 3: I had you bet money right now, Broncos, Niners, Sunday,
- 9:23Speaker 3: opening drive, you had to bet the house. Would you
- 9:26Speaker 3: bet the house on a three and out or a touchdown?
- 9:27Speaker 5: I would bet my house, your house, and Mosher's house.
- 9:29Speaker 3: It would be three and out.
- 9:32Speaker 5: Yeah, no touchdown.
- 9:33Speaker 3: So, yeah, you had to choose between touchdown or three
- 9:35Speaker 3: and out. You're going three and out.
- 9:37Speaker 5: Of course.
- 9:38Speaker 3: It's just sort of ingrained now. It's like, and I
- 9:41Speaker 3: don't know how you get out of that.
- 9:43Speaker 5: It's their way of getting into the game. It's just,
- 9:47Speaker 5: let's just go out, let the white boy get a taste,
- 9:50Speaker 5: and then go back to the sideline.
- 9:51Speaker 3: Hey, not to cite my favorite movie of all time, but,
- 9:54Speaker 3: you know, Rocky got into the game by eating some punches.
- 9:57Speaker 3: You got to eat a few. You got to taste it.
- 10:01Speaker 3: Taste your own blood. Eat a few punches. And now
- 10:03Speaker 3: you're ready to go.
- 10:04Speaker 7: So, Vic, what I tried to– oh, God, how do
- 10:07Speaker 7: I– Mom, I'm having a meltdown. What I've been trying
- 10:11Speaker 7: to say for the past two years and change is that, okay,
- 10:14Speaker 7: I dig what you're saying. Actually, it was probably midway
- 10:16Speaker 7: through year number one of Bo Nix. Okay, I get it,
- 10:21Speaker 7: but sometimes you eat too many punches and you get
- 10:23Speaker 7: knocked out.
- 10:24Speaker 3: Okay. What happened against Kansas City?
- 10:27Speaker 7: But the funny part, Vic, is that that is by
- 10:30Speaker 7: far outside the norm. That is the anomaly. The Kansas
- 10:34Speaker 7: City game... is the anomaly.
- 10:36Speaker 3: Well, clearly, I give you 14-3.
- 10:38Speaker 7: They eat punches, bro, and they get off the mat,
- 10:41Speaker 7: and they come back, and they punch you to death.
- 10:43Speaker 5: So a texter says the Broncos margin for error is
- 10:46Speaker 5: too small. They will not be successful long-term unless they
- 10:49Speaker 5: fix the slow start problem. Hey, buddy, I got a
- 10:51Speaker 5: show that you can listen to. You can go talk
- 10:53Speaker 5: to Brett Cain from 2025 because I did that every week,
- 10:56Speaker 5: and it turns out they won 14 games, got to
- 10:58Speaker 5: an AFC championship, probably a Super Bowl if their quarterback's healthy.
- 11:00Speaker 3: You could keep saying that. We've seen three games this
- 11:03Speaker 3: year already. Three games. In two out of those three games,
- 11:05Speaker 3: they've proven you wrong.
- 11:09Speaker 5: If this has lasted over a calendar year, this is
- 11:12Speaker 5: not some sort of blip on the radar. It is
- 11:15Speaker 5: part of your DNA. Moj, if you walk in every
- 11:19Speaker 5: day and.
- 11:21Speaker 5: Moj, don't eat that three-day-old pizza that's in the bed
- 11:25Speaker 5: of your truck. It's going to make you sick. And
- 11:27Speaker 5: you do that every day for a year, and you
- 11:29Speaker 5: never get sick. I'm just like, you know what? He's
- 11:31Speaker 5: got a steel stomach then, and nothing affects him. This
- 11:34Speaker 5: is what the Broncos are. It's just, it's not been,
- 11:38Speaker 5: how do I say this? It's been a factor, but
- 11:45Speaker 5: not enough to make them lose football games.
- 11:49Speaker 7: But which is so far against what should be the
- 11:54Speaker 7: grain if you look at the history of the National
- 11:57Speaker 7: Football League and the long-term prognosis of playing that way
- 12:03Speaker 7: is not good.
- 12:05Speaker 5: Well, okay, I'll tell you what, Brett. Maybe it's not.
- 12:08Speaker 7: But catch up to me in 2029 because right now
- 12:11Speaker 7: it doesn't mean Jack squat. Maybe in 2029, the table's turned,
- 12:14Speaker 7: but right now, this is the way this team wins.
- 12:17Speaker 5: Here's what's funny, is that I'm watching the game last night,
- 12:21Speaker 5: and I'm watching it through two different lenses. Number one,
- 12:23Speaker 5: I'm watching it through a Ben Johnson lens of our discussion.
- 12:28Speaker 5: Is it the players on the field, or is it
- 12:30Speaker 5: the play calling that's leading to these slow starts? And
- 12:32Speaker 5: to watch Case Keenum do that. Guys, how difficult is
- 12:35Speaker 5: it for the Broncos to put up 27 points in
- 12:37Speaker 5: the game?
- 12:38Speaker 3: Pretty hard.
- 12:39Speaker 5: They almost never do it.
- 12:41Speaker 7: Right.
- 12:41Speaker 3: Until they do it in a blur.
- 12:42Speaker 5: But they score 30 last week. Seven points were given
- 12:47Speaker 5: to you by your defense. They really just put up
- 12:49Speaker 5: 23 points of offense. With a third-string quarterback, the Bears
- 12:53Speaker 5: score 27. You go, hmm. I would assume that has
- 12:58Speaker 5: a lot to do with Ben Johnson, right? A lot
- 13:00Speaker 5: to do with scheme, a lot to do with when
- 13:02Speaker 5: to call this play at this time. And then I
- 13:04Speaker 5: look at the opposite side, which is Philadelphia. Philadelphia has
- 13:08Speaker 5: gone through Coordinator after coordinator after coordinator on the offensive
- 13:12Speaker 5: side of the football. They can't find one that they
- 13:15Speaker 5: think works. And at some point I'm like, well, maybe
- 13:19Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts is the problem. There's one guy that's there
- 13:23Speaker 5: all the time.
- 13:25Speaker 3: It's him.
- 13:27Speaker 5: And if they're always frustrated with their offense not being
- 13:30Speaker 5: able to get going and they find a different guy
- 13:32Speaker 5: to run a different offense every single year, maybe that's
- 13:36Speaker 5: a part of it. You know, maybe A.J. Brown was
- 13:40Speaker 5: upset not because of the dude calling plays last year,
- 13:43Speaker 5: but because of the guy who was throwing him the
- 13:45Speaker 5: football or lack thereof. And it's just, it's a weird
- 13:49Speaker 5: thing because I'm watching two teams, both of them good,
- 13:53Speaker 5: but having completely separate sort of identities on offense. And
- 13:57Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure out, like, how do the Bears
- 14:00Speaker 5: do that? What is it about the Bears that makes
- 14:03Speaker 5: that thing go? Are they talented? Yes, they got a
- 14:05Speaker 5: good running back group. They got a couple of good
- 14:07Speaker 5: wide receivers, Adunze and Luther Burden and Kalief Raymond had
- 14:13Speaker 5: a big night last night.
- 14:14Speaker 7: He had a really big night.
- 14:16Speaker 5: But here's the conclusion I come to. Ben Johnson's just
- 14:20Speaker 5: really good at this, isn't he? And I know Sean
- 14:23Speaker 5: Payton's good at it. So what's going on? But here's
- 14:29Speaker 5: the beauty. Doing that when you continue to win, it's
- 14:34Speaker 5: almost even more frustrating. Because you're like, I feel like
- 14:36Speaker 5: you can be even better than this. Like, you're a very,
- 14:40Speaker 5: very good football team. And you could be... Think about this, guys.
- 14:44Speaker 5: If the Broncos would put up 14 points in a
- 14:47Speaker 5: first half, they would be borderline unbeatable. Considering what all
- 14:52Speaker 5: the other things they can do.
- 14:53Speaker 3: But would they be the same in the second half?
- 14:55Speaker 6: I know!
- 14:56Speaker 3: Sometimes you can't have it both ways. If they did
- 14:58Speaker 3: what they did in the second half and the first,
- 14:59Speaker 3: then they'd be winning games... You'd be blowing teams out.
- 15:02Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 15:03Speaker 3: It's not what the NFL is.
- 15:05Speaker 5: So anyway, we can talk more about this with Adam Schefter,
- 15:08Speaker 5: who joins us next.
- 15:09Speaker 7: Adam Schefter.
- 15:11Speaker 3: Denver is in my soul. It's always a part of me.
- 15:14Speaker 3: This just now breaking in the NFL.
- 15:16Speaker 1: Altitude Sports Radio 92.5 presents America's number one sports reporter,
- 15:23Speaker 1: our pro football insider, Adam Schefter.
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- 15:41Speaker 5: Out to the Ramos Law Hotline. We're joined by Adam
- 15:43Speaker 5: Schefter as we are every single Tuesday of the NFL season.
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- 15:59Speaker 6: What's going on, gentlemen?
- 16:00Speaker 5: You know, looking at the games from over the weekend,
- 16:02Speaker 5: I got to tell you, there's a lot of things
- 16:04Speaker 5: that I guess are up in the air that we
- 16:05Speaker 5: don't really know through three weeks. But what surprised you
- 16:07Speaker 5: the most through three weeks of the season?
- 16:15Speaker 6: I think the biggest surprise is how unpredictable it continues
- 16:18Speaker 6: to be. It should be no surprise at all that
- 16:20Speaker 6: every single week you never know what's going to happen.
- 16:23Speaker 6: And here we are. We have the Houston Texans and
- 16:26Speaker 6: Los Angeles Chargers at 0-3, two teams touted to be
- 16:29Speaker 6: Super Bowl favorites. We have the entire AFC North 2-1,
- 16:33Speaker 6: including the Cleveland Browns. We've got the Chicago Bears winning
- 16:36Speaker 6: a game convincingly with a third-string quarterback. I mean, it
- 16:39Speaker 6: goes on and on. Like, it's just, they're surprised every week.
- 16:41Speaker 6: What surprised you? Whatever happened that moment. Whatever happened that
- 16:44Speaker 6: night before. Whatever happened, I mean, the Falcons going into green. Like,
- 16:47Speaker 6: it's just, that's the league.
- 16:49Speaker 5: I guess to get more specific, do you think the Raiders,
- 16:52Speaker 5: with this 3-0 start, Or is this just a nice
- 16:56Speaker 5: little start to the season for them and they'll come
- 16:57Speaker 5: back to earth? Do you think they're a contender now
- 16:59Speaker 5: in the AFC West?
- 17:02Speaker 6: I look, I think they're a three and O team
- 17:04Speaker 6: and I think they're off to a nice, nice start.
- 17:06Speaker 6: And you know, this league is so much about confidence
- 17:09Speaker 6: and momentum and health. And if you have those three
- 17:11Speaker 6: things and you're rolling, then anything's possible. Do I think
- 17:15Speaker 6: they're going to the Superbowl? No, I don't. But, I
- 17:17Speaker 6: didn't think they'd be 3-0, and here they are, and
- 17:18Speaker 6: they're playing very well right now. So clearly, Clint Kubiak
- 17:22Speaker 6: has made an enormous difference. Coaching matters in the NFL,
- 17:25Speaker 6: and you're seeing it reinforced again with Clint Kubiak and
- 17:28Speaker 6: the effort he's gotten out of those guys and what
- 17:30Speaker 6: it means to call an offense that runs the way
- 17:33Speaker 6: it should, that kind of operates without deficiencies and without kinks,
- 17:39Speaker 6: and it just happens. And they're doing a great job
- 17:42Speaker 6: there in Las Vegas.
- 17:44Speaker 3: Adam, your reaction Sunday night football. We're doing this in
- 17:48Speaker 3: Denver again. How did they win that game? Is this
- 17:52Speaker 3: what the Broncos are? Is that what you expect them
- 17:54Speaker 3: to be? They're not going to get off to a
- 17:56Speaker 3: fast start. They're always going to be playing from behind,
- 17:59Speaker 3: and they have a way of winning from behind. Is
- 18:01Speaker 3: this who they are?
- 18:04Speaker 6: Well, it may be who they are now, Vic, but
- 18:06Speaker 6: obviously it bothers Sean Payton that that is how they're
- 18:10Speaker 6: playing because he doesn't like to slow starts, and they're
- 18:12Speaker 6: going to be doing what they can to correct that.
- 18:14Speaker 6: We'll see what they can do to improve it. To me,
- 18:18Speaker 6: the way I look at it, I don't look at
- 18:19Speaker 6: it as like, is this where they are? I look
- 18:21Speaker 6: at it like they were down 16-0 against one of
- 18:23Speaker 6: the preeminent teams in football and came back and won.
- 18:28Speaker 6: That's impressive. They were dead. They were dead in the
- 18:31Speaker 6: water and really should not have won that game. But
- 18:35Speaker 6: to their credit, they came back, they fought. They got
- 18:38Speaker 6: the touchdown. They got a two. They came back, another touchdown,
- 18:41Speaker 6: another two. Like, you get those two-point conversions, both of them.
- 18:44Speaker 6: Makes a huge difference. They get the help from the
- 18:46Speaker 6: official late. Now it's even between Sean McVay and Sean Payton.
- 18:50Speaker 6: Sean McVay got the call he shouldn't have in the
- 18:52Speaker 6: NFC Championship. Sean Payton got the call he shouldn't have
- 18:54Speaker 6: in this game. And, again, I look at it as
- 18:58Speaker 6: they found a way to win a home game against
- 18:59Speaker 6: a really good team, and they're 2-1.
- 19:01Speaker 3: I'm going to disagree with you. I'm going to disagree
- 19:04Speaker 3: with the official on the broadcast. I thought it was
- 19:06Speaker 3: pass interference. I thought he jostled past Pat Bryant first.
- 19:10Speaker 3: Pat Bryant did sell it, and he pushed back.
- 19:12Speaker 7: Be intellectually honest, Vic.
- 19:14Speaker 3: Be honest. Be intellectually honest.
- 19:16Speaker 6: I swear to God.
- 19:17Speaker 3: My brothers and I had this debate yesterday. We looked
- 19:19Speaker 3: at it. We looked at it several times, and I'm
- 19:21Speaker 3: watching it. The initial push was from the defensive back.
- 19:25Speaker 3: I thought that was a P.I. If it's a P.I.
- 19:28Speaker 3: in the first quarter, why can't it be a P.I.
- 19:30Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter? What's the difference?
- 19:33Speaker 6: Well, again... That's not how I saw it. It's not
- 19:37Speaker 6: how others saw it. And it's how the official behind
- 19:40Speaker 6: the play saw it. And it didn't look like it
- 19:42Speaker 6: impeded the play all that much to me. And look,
- 19:46Speaker 6: Denver got the call. Worked out well. They took advantage
- 19:49Speaker 6: of it. but I didn't see it as PI. I didn't.
- 19:52Speaker 7: Adam, you like data. You're a smart guy. You know, you,
- 19:55Speaker 7: you use that to back things up. Even before Sean
- 19:58Speaker 7: Payton started saying it in the off season, I've been
- 20:00Speaker 7: saying it for a year and a half. You can't
- 20:01Speaker 7: keep walking this razor's edge. You can't do it because
- 20:04Speaker 7: eventually it's going to catch up to you. And you,
- 20:08Speaker 7: They keep walking the racer's edge. I'm throwing my hands up.
- 20:11Speaker 7: I'm with Brett. My hands are in the air. I
- 20:14Speaker 7: don't know what I don't know about this team anymore.
- 20:16Speaker 7: It may catch up to them in 2029, but I'm
- 20:18Speaker 7: telling you right now, Adam, the Bo Nix you see
- 20:21Speaker 7: in the second half when he's down and he's just
- 20:23Speaker 7: got to sling that pig is not the same guy
- 20:25Speaker 7: in the first half. We're talking one's an alien robot
- 20:28Speaker 7: and one is the real Bo Nix, and I don't
- 20:29Speaker 7: know which is which.
- 20:32Speaker 6: Well, I got to tell you something. It wasn't all
- 20:34Speaker 6: that dissimilar when John Elway played. And I'm not saying
- 20:37Speaker 6: that Bonix is John Elway. He's not. But the Broncos
- 20:39Speaker 6: would go down. And when they were down in the
- 20:41Speaker 6: second half, they almost clicked an extra gear and a
- 20:44Speaker 6: switch that they hadn't in the first half. And Elway
- 20:47Speaker 6: was at his best when they were down, when the
- 20:49Speaker 6: game was on the line, when the chips were on
- 20:51Speaker 6: the table. And that's when he came through. Now, again,
- 20:54Speaker 6: Bonix hasn't done it anywhere near John Elway's length of career.
- 20:58Speaker 6: There's still a lot to prove. But what you're describing
- 21:01Speaker 6: to me when you were saying that sounded like John
- 21:03Speaker 6: Elway and the Denver Broncos back in the 90s.
- 21:06Speaker 4: Yep.
- 21:06Speaker 5: Adam Schefter with us. All conversations with Adam are brought
- 21:09Speaker 5: to you by Matthews Fine Watches and Jewelry in the
- 21:11Speaker 5: Highlands Ranch Town Center and online at MatthewsFineWatches.com. The trade yesterday, J.J.
- 21:18Speaker 5: McCarthy going to the Giants. Is the plan for the
- 21:20Speaker 5: Giants to eventually make him the starter once he learns
- 21:23Speaker 5: the offense, or is he just going to be a
- 21:25Speaker 5: backup to Jameis?
- 21:27Speaker 6: I don't think that's the plan. I think the plan
- 21:28Speaker 6: is we lost our starting quarterback. We have Jameis Winston
- 21:31Speaker 6: in there. Jameis is a good backup. He's a good two.
- 21:35Speaker 6: You might be able to start him and win some games,
- 21:37Speaker 6: but we need another option in the event that Jameis
- 21:40Speaker 6: helps the other team as much as he helps our team.
- 21:42Speaker 6: And that's always been the knock on when you spoke
- 21:44Speaker 6: to people like you never know whose team he's going
- 21:46Speaker 6: to help win like that. He could help your team.
- 21:48Speaker 6: He could go out and throw four touchdowns, look great.
- 21:50Speaker 6: And he'd go out the next week and throw three
- 21:52Speaker 6: picks and you lose the game. So I think that
- 21:54Speaker 6: they wanted to solidify that position beyond having Jake Hainer
- 22:00Speaker 6: on the practice squad as depth behind James Winston. So
- 22:03Speaker 6: you get the former 10th overall pick in the 24
- 22:05Speaker 6: draft to it. It obviously hasn't worked out so far.
- 22:08Speaker 6: The only quarterbacks who have played fewer for their teams
- 22:11Speaker 6: before they moved on for them, pick that high were
- 22:15Speaker 6: Trey Lance, Paxton Lynch, and Johnny Manziel. So again, He's
- 22:20Speaker 6: an exclusive company, but it's early in his career. And
- 22:23Speaker 6: JJ's got a chance to change that narrative in New York.
- 22:25Speaker 6: He played for Jim Harbaugh in college. He played for
- 22:27Speaker 6: John Harbaugh in New York. And to me, the Giants
- 22:31Speaker 6: rolled the dice, cost him a five. If it doesn't
- 22:34Speaker 6: work out, cost him a five. If it works out,
- 22:36Speaker 6: you just hit on the 10th pick in the draft.
- 22:38Speaker 6: And that's great at the most important position in sports.
- 22:40Speaker 7: Adam, what's the scuttlebutt around the league about the San
- 22:42Speaker 7: Francisco 49ers? Because despite all the injuries they've had over
- 22:46Speaker 7: the past couple of years, Kyle Shanahan has them balling
- 22:49Speaker 7: all the time. Obviously a very good coach, and now
- 22:51Speaker 7: Brock Purdy is absolutely rolling. Tough one against Arizona, but
- 22:56Speaker 7: what's the overall feeling about what's going on on the
- 22:58Speaker 7: West Coast?
- 22:59Speaker 6: Well, again, it's amazing how they do that. You asked
- 23:03Speaker 6: me surprises at the beginning of the segment. I didn't
- 23:07Speaker 6: my mind never even went to the Raiders. It didn't
- 23:08Speaker 6: go to the 49ers. And there's two more surprises. Like
- 23:11Speaker 6: Brock Purdy right now has a quarterback rating of 93.7.
- 23:15Speaker 6: It's the highest quarterback rating of any quarterback in his
- 23:19Speaker 6: team's first three games of a season since the metric
- 23:22Speaker 6: was introduced in 2006. Wow. That tells you how high
- 23:27Speaker 6: level Brock Purdy's playing at. And he's playing that. I mean,
- 23:31Speaker 6: he's incredible the way he sees the field. And Kyle
- 23:33Speaker 6: is unbelievable as a coach and a play caller and,
- 23:35Speaker 6: It seems like I might be playing wide receiver for
- 23:37Speaker 6: them next week, and they'll probably still score points wherever
- 23:40Speaker 6: they're playing. Like, they just keep losing wide receivers. They
- 23:43Speaker 6: keep losing the linemen. They keep losing players across the field.
- 23:46Speaker 6: A lot of teams use that as an excuse. They
- 23:49Speaker 6: don't get it done. And the Niners, to their credit,
- 23:52Speaker 6: I mean, it's unbelievable how many players they've lost and
- 23:55Speaker 6: how many games they've won.
- 23:56Speaker 3: That's just like the marriage of quarterback and play caller,
- 24:00Speaker 3: young quarterback and play caller, is so vital to the
- 24:03Speaker 3: career of these guys.
- 24:04Speaker 6: Or old quarterback. Old quarterback and play caller, as we
- 24:07Speaker 6: saw last night.
- 24:08Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 24:08Speaker 6: The marriage of quarterback and play caller is very important.
- 24:12Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, that's what I say. If you give
- 24:16Speaker 3: San Francisco a different play caller, do you see the
- 24:19Speaker 3: same results? I mean, because Kyle Shanahan has a knack, right?
- 24:23Speaker 3: He's one of those guys. You bring a young quarterback
- 24:26Speaker 3: in there. You bring any quarterback. He has a way
- 24:28Speaker 3: of getting production out of them. How good really are they?
- 24:32Speaker 3: Or is it Kyle Shanahan that's that good?
- 24:36Speaker 6: Oh, I think that they're that good. Well, I think
- 24:41Speaker 6: Kyle's that good, first of all. And that's the first thing.
- 24:48Speaker 6: But they have some unbelievable veteran players, like Hall of
- 24:52Speaker 6: Fame players. Fred Warner, I had a GM tell me
- 24:57Speaker 6: he's the best linebacker in football and he might be
- 24:59Speaker 6: the best defensive player in football. That's how good Fred
- 25:02Speaker 6: Warner is. George Kittle is an all-time tight end. We'll
- 25:06Speaker 6: go to the Hall of Fame one day. Christian McCaffrey,
- 25:08Speaker 6: to me, is a Hall of Famer one day.
- 25:15Speaker 7: Nick Bosa's out, but he's pretty dang good when he's healthy.
- 25:18Speaker 6: Brent Williams is a Hall of Famer one day. We're
- 25:22Speaker 6: talking Hall of Fame-level talents. So that's them.
- 25:29Speaker 3: I got a follow-up.
- 25:30Speaker 6: They got some big horses.
- 25:32Speaker 3: So you know and I know that Kyle... will lean
- 25:37Speaker 3: on his dad a lot. I mean, Mike obviously goes
- 25:40Speaker 3: to a lot of those games and practices, and I'm
- 25:42Speaker 3: sure he's scouring tape and offering his kid advice.
- 25:47Speaker 6: Mike tries to stay out of his way.
- 25:48Speaker 3: Okay, but let me ask you this. What has Kyle done?
- 25:52Speaker 3: Because Mike Shanahan has produced a lot of talented coaches, man.
- 25:55Speaker 3: He's got a tree that's flourishing. What does Kyle do
- 25:59Speaker 3: differently than dad? What has he added to the Shanahan
- 26:02Speaker 3: offense that's different than dad?
- 26:06Speaker 6: You know, Vic, I'm not a big X's and O's guy,
- 26:08Speaker 6: but I'll just say this. Like, you know, you know,
- 26:12Speaker 6: I've known that family a long time. They've been, you know,
- 26:14Speaker 6: we've been, we've had strong relationship for a long period
- 26:17Speaker 6: of time. And I remember when Mike got fired in
- 26:19Speaker 6: Denver and I went over his house and I showed
- 26:21Speaker 6: him how to text. Like he, he didn't, he didn't
- 26:24Speaker 6: know how to email. Like he's not the most technologically
- 26:28Speaker 6: nor my swiftest person in the world. And it's an
- 26:32Speaker 6: adjustment for anybody who's my age or his age. Um,
- 26:37Speaker 6: our age, Vic. And so you learn these things. Kyle
- 26:41Speaker 6: is all adept at a lot of those things. Not
- 26:43Speaker 6: that he's a great texter or emailer either, but he
- 26:46Speaker 6: understands it. He can get spreadsheets and do all the data.
- 26:53Speaker 6: And so like I always said that Kyle was like
- 26:55Speaker 6: Mike 2.0. Kyle's a version of that. So if Mike
- 27:00Speaker 6: were coaching today, I'm sure he would be adept and
- 27:02Speaker 6: swift at all those things.
- 27:05Speaker 3: But he's not.
- 27:05Speaker 6: So Kyle is. And it's just the next generation. That's all.
- 27:10Speaker 6: Just like my kids. My kids are much smarter than me.
- 27:13Speaker 6: They have to show me things, right? So Kyle shows
- 27:16Speaker 6: his dad at the same time.
- 27:17Speaker 3: Well, my kids are dumber than I am, so I
- 27:19Speaker 3: take great.
- 27:19Speaker 5: Pride in that.
- 27:22Speaker 6: There you go.
- 27:23Speaker 5: Just a couple more quick things here. I saw you
- 27:25Speaker 5: had the report, Joey Porter Jr. Do you think that
- 27:29Speaker 5: he gets moved or do you think things get figured
- 27:31Speaker 5: out in Pittsburgh?
- 27:36Speaker 6: I'll say that they're open to moving him, and they've
- 27:38Speaker 6: gotten calls. And so if all that's happening and he's
- 27:41Speaker 6: not happy there and they're not going to give him
- 27:42Speaker 6: the contract in season, I think the possibility of a
- 27:45Speaker 6: trade remains in play.
- 27:47Speaker 5: And then finally, I'm going to play a piece of
- 27:48Speaker 5: audio for you. This is from over the weekend. Get
- 27:50Speaker 5: your reaction to this.
- 27:51Speaker 4: This is it, Hank Brown.
- 27:54Speaker 5: A defining Iowa moment.
- 27:56Speaker 4: Weights in the wings. Can he snatch it? Empty in
- 27:59Speaker 4: the backfield. Hits his back foot. Throws to the end zone.
- 28:03Speaker 1: Back shoulder.
- 28:05Speaker 7: Is he caught?
- 28:06Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
- 28:07Speaker 9: Oh, my God.
- 28:08Speaker 1: He caught it.
- 28:09Speaker 7: Oh, my God. He caught it. Yes.
- 28:10Speaker 5: That's Iowa's play-by-play crew from college.
- 28:14Speaker 6: Who'd they play? I don't remember.
- 28:17Speaker 7: You know, I kind of forget.
- 28:20Speaker 3: Oh, man.
- 28:21Speaker 5: What do you think?
- 28:22Speaker 6: I don't even know what happened.
- 28:24Speaker 5: That was the game-winning touchdown against Michigan in the big
- 28:27Speaker 5: house is what that was.
- 28:29Speaker 6: I don't know anything about that.
- 28:33Speaker 7: I thought that was Victor Notre Dame circa 1990.
- 28:35Speaker 6: I have a big question. Actually, I just thought of this.
- 28:39Speaker 6: I have a big question before you let me go.
- 28:41Speaker 6: So I am an avid fantasy basketball player, avid. Okay.
- 28:45Speaker 6: And we're, I'm in a 14 team war room league
- 28:48Speaker 6: at ESPN with a field Yates and Rex Ryan and
- 28:53Speaker 6: a bunch of people. And, I've been in the league
- 28:56Speaker 6: nine years. I've won the championship five years. Wow. Five
- 28:59Speaker 6: of the nine. Which I will say I'm pretty proud of. Like,
- 29:03Speaker 6: I work at that. And it means a lot to me.
- 29:04Speaker 3: It's my hobby.
- 29:06Speaker 6: We had our draft lottery on Sunday. And in my mind,
- 29:10Speaker 6: I'm like, ooh, I want Wemby. I want Wemby. And
- 29:13Speaker 6: I got in the lottery, which I don't think I
- 29:14Speaker 6: ever had, the number one pick. And I called this
- 29:17Speaker 6: guy that I bounce things off of. I'm like, hey,
- 29:19Speaker 6: I got one. I'm taking Wemby. He goes, you're taking Wemby?
- 29:23Speaker 6: I go, yeah. He goes, you got to take Jokic.
- 29:26Speaker 6: I'm like, over Embiid? And he's like, yeah. And I'm like,
- 29:30Speaker 6: let me look at the stats. So I went down.
- 29:32Speaker 3: And I looked.
- 29:33Speaker 6: And I mean, I know Jokic is unbelievable. But I'm like, oh,
- 29:37Speaker 6: my God, is this incredible what he does in a
- 29:40Speaker 6: night to night. But he's 31. 31 is, I guess,
- 29:44Speaker 6: not that old in basketball. Wemby is younger. And I
- 29:47Speaker 6: always thought Wemby would be coming off that championship where
- 29:50Speaker 6: he got embarrassed. And as competitive as he is, he's
- 29:53Speaker 6: going to be motivated. And he's going to crush it
- 29:54Speaker 6: this year. But tell me.
- 29:57Speaker 9: From a Denver perspective, if you think there will be
- 30:02Speaker 9: any drop-off in Jokic, any concern about drafting Jokic, any– wow.
- 30:07Speaker 6: Okay.
- 30:09Speaker 3: I'm going to sell it to you right now. I
- 30:11Speaker 3: spent some time with Joker yesterday. He's in probably the
- 30:14Speaker 3: best shape he's been in in a long time coming
- 30:16Speaker 3: into this season. He's going to miss fewer games than Wimby.
- 30:19Speaker 3: He's going to have more assists than Wimby. He's going
- 30:21Speaker 3: to be more consistent than Wimby. I love Wimby. Wimby's
- 30:24Speaker 3: a great player. But there are going to be games
- 30:26Speaker 3: that guy's going to miss. Trust me on that. And
- 30:28Speaker 3: there are going to be games where Joker doesn't produce
- 30:30Speaker 3: 40 points like Wimby, but he'll have 15 assists. So
- 30:34Speaker 3: he's going to have you covered either way. You would be,
- 30:36Speaker 3: my friend, dumb not to choose Nikola Jokic as your
- 30:40Speaker 3: number one choice.
- 30:42Speaker 6: Wow.
- 30:43Speaker 7: Wow.
- 30:43Speaker 6: See, and the way I've always looked at him, and
- 30:45Speaker 6: let me say this, I think he's an all-time player.
- 30:49Speaker 6: But I've looked at him as a guy that, As
- 30:53Speaker 6: much as he likes basketball, I think he's ready at
- 30:56Speaker 6: some point in time to pack it. He'll retire earlier
- 30:59Speaker 6: than expected and go back to where he's from.
- 31:01Speaker 3: Don't be mistaken. Don't be fooled. He's got the competitive fire.
- 31:06Speaker 3: Trust me, when he's on the court, he wants to win.
- 31:09Speaker 3: Wemby just shows his emotions more, but I still think,
- 31:13Speaker 3: offensively speaking, offensively, Nicole Jokic is the best offensive player
- 31:16Speaker 3: in the game. I completely agree.
- 31:18Speaker 7: Adam, this guy is going to be able to play
- 31:19Speaker 7: the same game until he's 42 if he wants to
- 31:22Speaker 7: because it's just the way his game is, and he's
- 31:25Speaker 7: simply brilliant every night.
- 31:26Speaker 5: If you didn't hear this, by the way, Adam, they
- 31:28Speaker 5: had their media day yesterday, and Jokic hasn't signed his
- 31:31Speaker 5: contract extension yet. So some people were thinking maybe he
- 31:34Speaker 5: is going to just retire earlier. The reason he hasn't
- 31:38Speaker 5: signed it is because he knows that he can get
- 31:40Speaker 5: an extra $ 80 million on the back end, but here's
- 31:43Speaker 5: what he said about it.
- 31:43Speaker 3: I'm going to sign next year. If they want me.
- 31:49Speaker 3: If they want me.
- 31:50Speaker 6: What's that?
- 31:51Speaker 5: He said, I'll sign next year if they want me.
- 31:53Speaker 3: Yeah. So if you want him, Adam, he's there for
- 31:56Speaker 3: the take.
- 31:59Speaker 6: Okay. Honestly, I will say this. You may have pushed
- 32:03Speaker 6: me more towards him now. In my mind, I wanted
- 32:07Speaker 6: Wemby so bad. I got a man crush on the guy. Yeah,
- 32:10Speaker 6: everybody does.
- 32:12Speaker 3: He's 7'40. Yeah, I mean, I get it.
- 32:15Speaker 5: I get it.
- 32:15Speaker 3: But, I mean, you can drive around in that brand-new
- 32:18Speaker 3: hot rod, but it may break down on you. I'm
- 32:20Speaker 3: telling you, this car is not going to break down
- 32:23Speaker 3: on you.
- 32:23Speaker 5: And Vic is right about this. If you're just looking
- 32:25Speaker 5: for fantasy stuff, he averaged, I think it was 28, 13,
- 32:30Speaker 5: and 11 last year. That was every night.
- 32:34Speaker 6: Yeah, no, listen, and his usage, I think, might be
- 32:37Speaker 6: up this year. Right? Less data. More usage. So, oh boy,
- 32:47Speaker 6: oh boy.
- 32:48Speaker 7: Help us help you.
- 32:50Speaker 6: Yeah, I always wanted Wemby. Always wanted Wemby. Always wanted Wemby.
- 32:54Speaker 6: And boy, oh boy.
- 32:58Speaker 5: Well, I mean, look, you've won five in nine years.
- 33:00Speaker 5: You sound like you know what you're doing, but that's just,
- 33:03Speaker 5: you know, that's a homered bias take that we have.
- 33:05Speaker 6: Over here for you. I looked at the numbers. I'm like,
- 33:09Speaker 6: Jokic's numbers are just flat out better than Wemby's. They're
- 33:12Speaker 6: just better.
- 33:13Speaker 7: Yep.
- 33:14Speaker 6: In every– that blocks.
- 33:16Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 33:16Speaker 6: Like, he is– he'll go percentage shooter. He's a better–
- 33:19Speaker 6: a free throw is about the same. Wemby makes maybe
- 33:22Speaker 6: one more three per night. Okay. When Jokic, I think,
- 33:27Speaker 6: same rebounds. Jokic more assists. Jokic more points. Jokic better
- 33:32Speaker 6: assist turnover ratio. Jokic more steals. Like, it's crazy.
- 33:36Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 33:37Speaker 6: He's a freak.
- 33:37Speaker 5: He is a freak.
- 33:38Speaker 3: Adam, you're the best.
- 33:39Speaker 5: Always enjoy talking to you. We'll talk next week.
- 33:42Speaker 3: Thanks, guys.
- 33:43Speaker 6: Have a great day.
- 33:44Speaker 5: Adam Schefter, ESPN.com, joins us every single Tuesday following the
- 33:48Speaker 5: NFL weekend back after this. You know what's funny, Vic?
- 33:51Speaker 5: You were talking about Kyle Shanahan and just what a
- 33:56Speaker 5: hell of a coach he is. Texture says this, Purdy
- 34:00Speaker 5: probably saved Shanahan's career, especially after the Lance draft. Now,
- 34:05Speaker 5: I will agree on one thing, that almost everybody else.
- 34:12Speaker 1: Who.
- 34:13Speaker 5: would have done what the Niners did. And I'm talking
- 34:16Speaker 5: about John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan. Do you remember this, Vic?
- 34:19Speaker 5: They traded three first-round picks to move up and take
- 34:22Speaker 5: Trey Lance in that draft.
- 34:23Speaker 7: Yeah, I remember that.
- 34:25Speaker 5: That would have nuked the careers of pretty much any
- 34:28Speaker 5: other GM or head coach.
- 34:29Speaker 3: And then they cut bait pretty quickly. They did.
- 34:32Speaker 5: They could do that because Brock Purdy was playing well.
- 34:35Speaker 5: But I will say this. I don't think that Purdy
- 34:38Speaker 5: saved Shanahan's career for this reason. Kyle Shanahan has done
- 34:43Speaker 5: this with Jimmy G. He's done it with Brock Purdy.
- 34:46Speaker 5: He's got Mac Jones last year winning games consistently for him.
- 34:51Speaker 5: Pretty much every quarterback that they throw in there is successful.
- 34:55Speaker 5: And it reminds me again last night in watching the Bears.
- 34:59Speaker 5: Case Keenum walks in and puts up 27 on the
- 35:02Speaker 5: Eagles defense because Ben Johnson's just really good at his job.
- 35:06Speaker 7: It sounds like you're looking at it and saying, okay,
- 35:10Speaker 7: whoever you put there, Shan, he's going to be able
- 35:13Speaker 7: to coach this guy up and he's going to be
- 35:14Speaker 7: able to do this.
- 35:15Speaker 5: Why wouldn't I?
- 35:15Speaker 7: No, I agree.
- 35:16Speaker 5: He made a Super Bowl with Jimmy G. I agree.
- 35:19Speaker 6: I agree.
- 35:20Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.
- 35:22Speaker 7: Matt Jones came in last.
- 35:23Speaker 3: Year and played pretty. He was awesome.
- 35:25Speaker 7: Pretty damn well for the Niners.
- 35:27Speaker 5: Like, I'm trying to, I want to go through this.
- 35:31Speaker 5: Quarterbacks to play under Kyle Shanahan. Because I got to
- 35:35Speaker 5: tell you, almost everybody that you're going to see on
- 35:37Speaker 5: this list are like, great.
- 35:40Speaker 3: They all have been great. Oh, yeah.
- 35:46Speaker 5: Sam Darnold.
- 35:47Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
- 35:49Speaker 3: He said he credits Shanahan for changing his his career path,
- 35:54Speaker 3: his arc. I mean, you can go all the way
- 35:56Speaker 3: back to. When did when did Shanahan first arrive there?
- 36:00Speaker 3: Who was the QB when he first arrived?
- 36:02Speaker 7: Was it wasn't Alex Smith?
- 36:04Speaker 3: No, I think it was Jimmy G, wasn't it? I
- 36:06Speaker 3: think it was Jimmy. Yeah.
- 36:08Speaker 5: Super Bowl, by the way. Do you guys remember this?
- 36:12Speaker 3: C.J.
- 36:12Speaker 5: Beathard played for a few years for them and won
- 36:14Speaker 5: some football games. Yeah, Josh Johnson's played for everybody.
- 36:21Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't until Adam went through that roster, though,
- 36:23Speaker 3: and he's so right. All the Hall of Famers on
- 36:26Speaker 3: that San Francisco roster, and I was thinking in my head, like,
- 36:30Speaker 3: how many Hall of Famers are on this Broncos roster?
- 36:33Speaker 3: The kind that you say, okay, that guy's going to
- 36:35Speaker 3: the Hall. Pat Sertan, for sure.
- 36:36Speaker 4: Yeah, well.
- 36:38Speaker 3: You make that assumption now. If his career ended today,
- 36:40Speaker 3: would he?
- 36:41Speaker 7: Oh, he's pretty damn good.
- 36:43Speaker 3: I mean, he's slated for it.
- 36:45Speaker 9: Yeah, of course.
- 36:46Speaker 3: He's slated. Yeah, he's slated. Oh, not yet.
- 36:48Speaker 5: Yeah, not yet.
- 36:49Speaker 3: But you could point to three or four guys on
- 36:52Speaker 3: that roster and say, they're in now.
- 36:55Speaker 6: They're in now.
- 36:56Speaker 4: Right?
- 36:57Speaker 3: That's still a very talented San Francisco roster. Where do
- 37:00Speaker 3: you put Christian McCaffrey on that list? He's Hall of Famer. Yeah,
- 37:03Speaker 3: he is. So McCaffrey. He's Hall of Famer.
- 37:05Speaker 7: Kittle.
- 37:05Speaker 8: Kittle.
- 37:06Speaker 3: Williams. Trent Williams.
- 37:07Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 37:08Speaker 5: Fred Warner.
- 37:09Speaker 3: Yeah. Fred's good. Fred's good.
- 37:14Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 37:14Speaker 3: And then you got peripheral players who, for whatever reason,
- 37:18Speaker 3: they go out, they're not as productive, they come back.
- 37:20Speaker 3: Like Debo Samuel. Debo Samuel went out, ventured to other places,
- 37:24Speaker 3: and he was okay. But he goes back to San
- 37:26Speaker 3: Francisco and he's a different player.
- 37:27Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 37:28Speaker 7: Can you imagine if Brandon Ayuk didn't mentally explode?
- 37:32Speaker 3: No kidding.
- 37:33Speaker 7: What is that guy's malfunction? Ricky Pearsall tore his PCL.
- 37:37Speaker 7: He's gone for the season.
- 37:38Speaker 5: Look, I don't know if fullbacks make the Hall of
- 37:41Speaker 5: Fame anymore, but Kyle Juszczyk is a really good fullback, too.
- 37:44Speaker 5: I mean, he's probably been the best fullback in the
- 37:46Speaker 5: league for years. It's just teams don't really use them anymore. God,
- 37:51Speaker 5: you're so right, though. They are just loaded, man.
- 37:54Speaker 7: Nick Bosa, dude, he's not going to play this weekend.
- 37:58Speaker 7: He's got a calf injury.
- 37:59Speaker 3: That guy.
- 38:01Speaker 7: What is that guy's malfunction, Vic?
- 38:03Speaker 3: Look at his.
- 38:05Speaker 7: He played in three games last season, 14 the year before, 17, 16, 17,
- 38:09Speaker 7: but then two his second year in the league.
- 38:12Speaker 3: So it's either all or nothing with that guy. I
- 38:14Speaker 3: don't know what the series history is. I haven't looked
- 38:17Speaker 3: it up. But I'm just telling you how my body feels,
- 38:20Speaker 3: how my brain reacts. When I think of a Broncos-Niners game,
- 38:25Speaker 3: I get really scared.
- 38:27Speaker 5: I can feel it down in my plums.
- 38:28Speaker 3: I just don't like the matchup. I've never liked the matchup.
- 38:32Speaker 3: It's never ended well. It's never been fun. It's always tough.
- 38:37Speaker 3: The Niners. I mean, what is the series history between
- 38:40Speaker 3: these teams? Look it up. Series. Recent.
- 38:43Speaker 4: Total.
- 38:44Speaker 3: Maybe you can go all the way back to the
- 38:45Speaker 3: Super Bowl when Montana just carved them up. It just
- 38:48Speaker 3: doesn't feel good. I remember that game.
- 38:50Speaker 7: It says the all-time series is 8-8.
- 38:52Speaker 6: Okay.
- 38:53Speaker 3: Well, maybe it's the most recent. I don't know. But
- 38:56Speaker 3: do you remember that game where George Kittle had to
- 38:58Speaker 3: be yanked? He was on his way to breaking records
- 39:00Speaker 3: before they yanked him?
- 39:02Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 39:02Speaker 7: Vicky they took him out at halftime i know he
- 39:05Speaker 7: already had 200 yards receiving at halftime or something like
- 39:09Speaker 7: that 196 yards at halftime it says here broncos remember this.
- 39:13Speaker 5: One they've won they've won two of the last three
- 39:15Speaker 5: games but the last game that they played against each
- 39:18Speaker 5: other 22 was in 2022 the final score was 11
- 39:22Speaker 5: to 10.
- 39:25Speaker 2: What yeah that was when jimmy g stepped out the
- 39:29Speaker 2: back of the end zone and spotted him two points.
- 39:32Speaker 3: Oh, that's right!
- 39:34Speaker 5: That score was 7-5 after three quarters.
- 39:37Speaker 7: I forgot about that.
- 39:38Speaker 3: The stats in the series, that tells a different story
- 39:41Speaker 3: than just how I feel about a certain team. You
- 39:43Speaker 3: know how you feel about certain teams that just, it doesn't,
- 39:47Speaker 3: I don't, I don't think good thoughts when I think
- 39:50Speaker 3: of Broncos and Niners, especially in San Francisco. Yeah.
- 39:55Speaker 7: So, Russell Wilson was 20 of 33 for 184, no touches,
- 39:59Speaker 7: no picks.
- 40:00Speaker 5: Oh, can I ask you guys a question?
- 40:02Speaker 4: Wow.
- 40:03Speaker 5: Did you guys see last night the interception that was
- 40:05Speaker 5: thrown by Jalen Hurts? Did you see what happened prior
- 40:07Speaker 5: to it?
- 40:09Speaker 3: Where he got leveled on the sideline?
- 40:11Speaker 5: It was TJ Edwards that intercepted the pass. But Jalen
- 40:16Speaker 5: Hurts is calling plays to the line of scrimmage. TJ
- 40:18Speaker 5: Edwards is a former Eagle. He has leaned in almost
- 40:24Speaker 5: helmet to helmet with Jalen Hurts sparking the play to
- 40:26Speaker 5: his line because they're going to hurry up. And then
- 40:28Speaker 5: he picks the pass off. And the question is, did
- 40:31Speaker 5: he know that was coming?
- 40:31Speaker 3: Of course he did.
- 40:32Speaker 5: Because if you, Nelly, can you look this up? Can
- 40:37Speaker 5: you look up, just search TJ Edwards on Twitter. You'll
- 40:40Speaker 5: find a video immediately. But He's leaned in. It looks
- 40:45Speaker 5: like he's part of their huddle with a Bears helmet
- 40:48Speaker 5: on and then jumps to pass the very next play
- 40:52Speaker 5: for the pick. Now, I don't think any of that matters,
- 40:56Speaker 5: but the visual of it is hilarious because it looks
- 41:00Speaker 5: like he just was like, oh, this is where the
- 41:01Speaker 5: play's going. Okay, I'll take that. Thank you very much.
- 41:06Speaker 5: We're going to talk to Jared Bednar tomorrow. The Avs
- 41:08Speaker 5: open up their season. We'll do a lot of Avs discussion.
- 41:12Speaker 5: And yeah, look at this. He's in there. I mean, he's.
- 41:17Speaker 3: Staring right at his face. Ain't nothing wrong with that.
- 41:20Speaker 5: And then here's the next play.
- 41:21Speaker 3: He drops right into coverage. Yep, mine. It is funny.
- 41:27Speaker 5: It's very funny. We'll talk a lot about the Avs
- 41:29Speaker 5: tomorrow as they get their season going and what expectations are,
- 41:32Speaker 5: what they should be, better than last year, worse than
- 41:36Speaker 5: last year, same, whatever. We can do all that stuff tomorrow,
- 41:38Speaker 5: especially with Jared Bednar at 8 o'clock. Can I play
- 41:41Speaker 5: one piece audio on the way out?
- 41:42Speaker 6: Sure.
- 41:43Speaker 5: Bomani Jones on his podcast talking about Dion. What do
- 41:46Speaker 5: you think of this?
- 41:46Speaker 3: So this Colorado thing is over.
- 41:48Speaker 10: The promise of what Dion Sanders could have been is over.
- 41:52Speaker 10: The comparative advantage that you would have because Dion Sanders
- 41:56Speaker 10: is your coach no longer matters. Colorado doesn't have the money.
- 42:00Speaker 10: And Dion sounded this alarm early. What do we need
- 42:02Speaker 10: to get players? We need money. Dion came in the
- 42:05Speaker 10: press conference. and was talking about how he's walking off
- 42:08Speaker 10: the field and his players, after getting smashed like that,
- 42:11Speaker 10: are laughing. He's making it very clear in that press
- 42:14Speaker 10: conference that he's here to win. When we think about
- 42:16Speaker 10: Deion's image as a football coach, we're still talking about.
- 42:19Speaker 3: Deion's image as Deion.
- 42:20Speaker 10: The way that he positions himself before people is different
- 42:24Speaker 10: than the other coaches do. He's certainly allowed to be
- 42:27Speaker 10: different in how he does it, but I do wonder
- 42:30Speaker 10: to a degree, what exactly does this signal to the
- 42:33Speaker 10: people that are under your employ?
- 42:35Speaker 5: Here's my question. Do you think Dion is not successful
- 42:39Speaker 5: here because of money?
- 42:42Speaker 3: Because they don't spend as much. Well, remember, there was
- 42:45Speaker 3: a show. I don't know if you were here, Brett,
- 42:47Speaker 3: but it's out there how much money that we know
- 42:50Speaker 3: of colleges are spending NIL.
- 42:53Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 42:53Speaker 3: And the buffs are middle of the pack, maybe under
- 42:58Speaker 3: middle of the pack in college football. Right. As far
- 43:01Speaker 3: as like maybe a third. They spend a third of
- 43:04Speaker 3: what the big boys spend. Sure. So that's what they are.
- 43:09Speaker 5: But it sounds like Beaumont is saying that part of it,
- 43:13Speaker 5: I would agree with at least this part of it.
- 43:16Speaker 5: Dion has a presence about him that with the ungodly
- 43:23Speaker 5: amount of money that an Ohio State has probably would work, right?
- 43:27Speaker 7: It seems like you should be able to get ahead
- 43:29Speaker 7: just a little bit because of who you are. But
- 43:32Speaker 7: even if you don't have all the money.
- 43:34Speaker 5: To place this solely on money, I think is, uh, uh, uh,
- 43:40Speaker 5: come on, man.
- 43:40Speaker 3: There, there's a lot of schools in this conference that
- 43:43Speaker 3: spend less than CU. Yeah, exactly. Arizona. Yeah. Hey, come on.
- 43:47Speaker 3: How does Iowa state do it?
- 43:49Speaker 6: Yep.
- 43:49Speaker 3: Good point.
- 43:50Speaker 7: I'm trying to, well, they didn't this past weekend, which
- 43:52Speaker 7: is why my lay it down was so effective.
- 43:55Speaker 3: What, what is Utah's budget over the last 10 years?
- 43:58Speaker 3: That's an excellent point. I agree.
- 44:00Speaker 7: Utah's an excellent football team. What I'm trying to wrap
- 44:03Speaker 7: my head around is this can be done.
- 44:05Speaker 3: Let me explain.
- 44:07Speaker 7: What did the Oklahoma State Cowboys do their first game
- 44:09Speaker 7: of the season?
- 44:11Speaker 3: They lost.
- 44:13Speaker 7: They went to Tulsa and got ripped by double digits.
- 44:16Speaker 1: Tulsa.
- 44:19Speaker 3: The Drillers. Then they came home and they beat Oregon. Woo, baby.
- 44:23Speaker 7: That was a great game. Boat raced Murray State Racers 59-0.
- 44:28Speaker 7: And then beat up on the road at West Virginia.
- 44:30Speaker 7: They beat up the Mountaineers in Charleston. You realize that
- 44:33Speaker 7: Oklahoma State is now 19th in the country? As we speak,
- 44:37Speaker 7: they're 19.
- 44:37Speaker 3: And I'm like.
- 44:38Speaker 7: Why can't the Buffs be that? Why can't you just
- 44:41Speaker 7: be a little Okie State? They've gone through some trying times.
- 44:45Speaker 7: They've been sock holes. That's why Gundy got the Ziggy.
- 44:48Speaker 7: Why can't you be an Okie State?
- 44:51Speaker 5: They've looked really impressive over the last few weeks.
- 44:55Speaker 7: Yeah, but I mean, they're able to turn around and
- 44:57Speaker 7: they suck it up and they got dudes and they
- 44:59Speaker 7: find ways to win.
- 45:00Speaker 3: Why can't you be that? Why aren't you that?
- 45:03Speaker 5: It says here that the estimated NIL spending is virtually
- 45:06Speaker 5: the same between Utah and Colorado.
- 45:08Speaker 7: Well, then why is Utah one of the best teams
- 45:10Speaker 7: in the country?
- 45:11Speaker 5: I don't know. Anyway, get more into this tomorrow. Again,
- 45:15Speaker 5: abs open up the season. We'll give the full preview tomorrow.
- 45:18Speaker 5: Jared Bednar at eight o'clock. Nelly fact checker, please.
- 45:22Speaker 1: Nelly monitors the mistakes in today's fact checker. Fact checker
- 45:28Speaker 1: presented by Bacchus and Shanker. Serious lawyers for the seriously injured.
- 45:33Speaker 2: When we had Adam Schefter on, Brett, you decided to
- 45:36Speaker 2: play the Iowa Steelers. student radio call of Iowa's game-winning
- 45:40Speaker 2: touchdown to beat Michigan, just to pour salt in the
- 45:42Speaker 2: wound for Shefty, why don't you? But I wanted to
- 45:44Speaker 2: play the call again because the last line of commentary
- 45:48Speaker 2: is probably the best thing in the whole call. This
- 45:51Speaker 2: is courtesy of Ryan Paris on KRUI.
- 45:55Speaker 4: This is it, Hank Brown.
- 45:58Speaker 5: A defining Iowa moment.
- 46:00Speaker 4: Weights in the wings. Can he snatch it? Empty in
- 46:03Speaker 4: the backfield. Hits his back foot. Throws to the end zone.
- 46:08Speaker 5: Back shoulder.
- 46:08Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
- 46:09Speaker 9: Is he caught?
- 46:10Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
- 46:11Speaker 9: Oh, my God.
- 46:12Speaker 1: He caught it.
- 46:13Speaker 7: Oh, my God.
- 46:14Speaker 9: He caught it.
- 46:14Speaker 7: Yes.
- 46:15Speaker 5: Western Michigan and the college football world.
- 46:18Speaker 1: Iowa has your back.
- 46:20Speaker 5: Pretty good.
- 46:21Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 46:22Speaker 3: It was good.
- 46:23Speaker 7: I mean, he sounds like a college kid. He sounds
- 46:25Speaker 7: like Vic did at Notre Dame.
- 46:27Speaker 6: Rocket Israel.
- 46:28Speaker 8: Rocket Israel.
- 46:29Speaker 6: Oh, my God.
- 46:30Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
- 46:30Speaker 6: Oh, my God.
- 46:31Speaker 7: Oh, my God.
- 46:31Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
- 46:32Speaker 5: He actually sounds like Mosher. At the end of the
- 46:36Speaker 5: Darren Helm goal. Good. Jared Bednard, 8 o'clock tomorrow morning.
- 46:45Speaker 5: Tune in for that, and we'll talk to you tomorrow
- 46:47Speaker 5: as the Avs open up their season. Podcasts can be
- 46:50Speaker 5: found on iTunes, Spotify, Mojo Lombardi, and Kane. Have a
- 46:52Speaker 5: wonderful Tuesday. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Love you.
- 46:54Speaker 7: See you.
- 46:55Speaker 5: Western Michigan and the college football world.
- 46:58Speaker 6: Iowa has your back.