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#116: Joshua “Pacey” Neuman, Andrew “Kivi” Hershenov · Come Together with Ephraim Herschmann

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  Welcome to another episode of Come Together.
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  We're live. Cheers.
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  Hey, Cheers, dude. Cheers.
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  Dude. This is Cheetos.
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  It's it's the one. It's the one problem with South
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  Florida. There's nothing, nothing you can
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  do about it, dude. No.
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  You could spray, you could light like those candles.
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  People talk about the weather. I was like a boring topic, but
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  it's crazy how it's it's everyone's lives in Florida.
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  In Florida. It's the one thing that matters
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  because it's it's brutal. Do you shoot that Lefrog shot?
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  He's like, not usually, but I'll.
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  Yeah, that's what. Yeah, that's what I did.
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  OK. No, I usually just drink the
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  more slowly. You know, I do.
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  But I do it. Yeah, I do.
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  Do you want to? No.
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  See, I was. That wasn't me testing.
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  You shouldn't put ice in it. Yes, you should.
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  You wanted those that say you should have put ice in it.
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  You know why the weather is really.
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  If you really want, you can put a drop of water to open.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Flavor. Did you also do a whiskey
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  tasting somewhere? Yeah, we should do it.
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  I think you. I think you guys, you grabbed a
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  picture of it somehow. Kitty found a picture of it of
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  your whiskey on that chat somehow.
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  No, I didn't see it. Where did you do it?
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  Yeah, I went to there. There was a group of people
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  doing it. So we did it at it was a like a
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  store that I'd never been to one of these like little stores and
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  they just someone started it and hosted it and it was like good,
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  what do you look? I was going to get ice, but I
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  was going to do ice in that Well, that So the reason I like
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  to put ice in it is because it is a shock by Sarah.
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  It's too, it's too strong. No, but and it's pity and strong
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  so and a little bit of ice, like I know it dilutes the drink.
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  That's what I say. That's what I always say.
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  It doesn't dilute it enough and it's beautiful.
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  What is it? 2 nights ago, I think Monday
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  night actually, I poured myself a glass of whiskey.
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  Of course, I put like a pea size last night.
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  You too, dude. Yeah, but yeah, like a little
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  bit of ice. Although I will.
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  I'll take the ice out at a certain point.
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  I won't let it sit in there. Oh, really?
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  Yeah. If I have, like, very particular
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  dude. Oh, because there's nothing
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  worse. Because I get your point.
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  You want to be cold, you and you want to be like a little softer.
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  But with Leroy, there's nothing worse.
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  Dude. I was drinking McAllen.
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  Oh, yeah. No, but there's nothing worse
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  than water down. We were back.
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  We took a break because you were you were telling me that you
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  were you were where you were on Epstein's list or something?
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  Yeah, dude, first of all, I am you.
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  Are second of all, does any? Does anyone know what's going
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  on? Does anyone actually know what's
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  going on? Dude, we started with the
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  Epstein list. We got Obama like is going to
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  get fake, get arrested. That was so did you see that the
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  White House like an hour ago posted that they're like really
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  revealed that aliens exist and like, oh, I didn't see that.
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  Yeah, dude. But they're going to say because
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  they actually, they're like, we're just saying Obama.
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  We're like, they're like the DOG.
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  I don't know, I have the thing. Yeah, dude, they're going to
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  invest Obama. Yeah, they're going to go.
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  They're going to get it. Yeah.
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  How could I invest Obama and cop this down on the.
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  I mean they're. Pretty sure the White House knew
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  aliens existed. No 100%.
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  Right. 80 years. Ago I know.
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  But they're going to be releasing that.
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  It's so. Good, now that they can't hide
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  it anymore. You think that's true?
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  Yeah, like people are gonna. Well, men in black, they, that's
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  the whole men in black. Thing it's smart, like no one
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  could catch the killer 100 years ago, but now you catch them the
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  next. Day yeah, that's true.
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  Same type of thing, yeah dude, do you think the mafia still
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  exists? Like it doesn't.
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  In what capacity though? Like.
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  What do you mean? Like you have like they counted
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  so much on everything pretty much being off the books.
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  I know. Isn't it a business model?
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  And for everything else, like, yeah, OK, maybe they could do
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  the cash advance shit, you know, whenever.
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  Be through a business. Yeah, but it's not as fun as
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  like when you like put up like it's through fun as someone in
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  with a face like that, like like owning one of those shops and
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  getting protection or whatever when they go into the dining.
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  Yeah, it's not like that. Now you don't think?
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  I bet it is dude. Do you see that, Pirates?
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  This guy, this guy's eating his line, bro.
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  You're supposed to. You're not.
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  You're supposed to be just like a little like get rid of the
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  tape. No, it's a cocktail.
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  When you have an oniejo tequila, that's such an animal.
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  He just he just like swallows the whole thing.
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  He's like a cow, dude. Oh, I said animal.
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  It could have been anything. I know.
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  I'm saying, wow. I was thinking chewing cud.
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  I was thinking Kiwi. That made me think about it.
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  I could have gone with tiger, that dude.
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  So what happened? What is happening?
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  What do you think? Epstein, you're saying?
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  With Epstein dude, what's going on?
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  What's with the Jews on lists? Yeah, hey, oh, man, it's not
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  going to be funny in 10 years, man.
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  In the Holocaust, dude. Do you guys have a?
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  Basement to hide in. I have a.
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  Basement, by the way, I have a couple of buddies from
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  Binghamton. I'm going to try this beer.
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  I'm saying this beer, by the way, Shane Gill's got everyone
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  into public. Yeah.
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  He wants to get off the Holocaust.
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  No, no, no. I was.
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  I was honestly, I was just like taking this stuff.
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  There's something crazy about a beer that tastes this bad.
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  It's not good. But so good because it's so
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  patriotic. It's good when it's so cold.
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  Ice. Cold.
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  I know it's true. Ice cold.
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  Anything other than ice cold, it's.
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  So bad. There's nothing worse than War I
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  and that. You see, Shark Tank has spent
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  the last 15 years. Everyone brings up everyone's
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  trying to find out how to keep your beer cold.
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  On the go for sure. Yeah, it's the number one thing.
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  And then it's just degrees of eco friendliness.
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  Yeah, Yeah. So.
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  The. It's like, what, dude?
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  I know I got. I've gotten that.
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  Yeah, but you don't use them ever, dude.
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  So so I I. Do I literally forgot to bring
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  it today? It's America.
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  It's got an American flag. I.
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  I believe you, dude, but yeah, you forgot it because it's such
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  a it's hard to remember. It's one of my yeah, conscious
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  mind that any given state to to remember that.
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  Yeah, exactly. They're never really that
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  productive. All right, so.
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  I should make a koozie that crumples up into a ball and you
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  could put it in like a pouch. Shove it up.
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  Oh. It hangs on your keys.
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  OK. And then when you open the pouch
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  it it. Pops out.
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  Pops out into acoustic. That's not a bad idea, that
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  definitely exists already. For sure.
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  For sure someone made that. I've thought of.
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  I don't. Think you could patent?
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  Something like that though. Can you no lawyer?
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  I've I someone who's taking like 2 CL ES on patents.
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  No, you could. You could probably patent it.
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  You could patent my favorite content.
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  Everyone says patent pending. Yeah, that means nothing, right?
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  It just means that they're like, put the means that they yeah,
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  they filed it. People get rejected for patents.
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  There we go. Yeah, collapsible koozie.
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  Yeah, there it is. Yeah, I hate to search.
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  Was collapsible koozie. I, I, I search koozie, fold it
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  up, see I'm not a bad Jamie. No, I will.
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  I will say that what's frustrating is that when you see
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  a product on Shark Tank, this is pissing me off.
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  You'll see people are like spent 10 years doing this.
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  I'm $300,000 in debt in two years we're finally going to be
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  profitable. It's like an alcohol business.
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  It's like a it's a good thing. And then someone else will come
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  home and be like, I created like a widget to like hold your pen
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  up and I spent $30 out the gate and we're, you know, $2,000,000
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  business debt. It's like 1 path is so difficult
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  and the other is just like a great idea.
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  Yeah, sure. So I keep trying to think of
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  like, what's the great idea that doesn't put me in debt because
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  for 10 years? Yeah, because.
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  Your only person who think was thinking about that.
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  You know, do you are there a lot of I'm trying to think of how to
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  make. Money.
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  What? Granted that I don't have to
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  work for the rest of my life? Yeah.
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  That upper middle class people will buy.
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  Yeah. People with money, people with
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  expendable. Yeah, exactly.
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  Expendable. Yeah, disposable.
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  First of all. Vendible income.
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  Forget about that. Yeah.
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  Jamie and Jamie looking. On that widget.
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  Whatever makes that widget obviously has a friend who's a
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  multi multi millionaire is helping him out, no?
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  No, no. But that's what's annoying
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  sometimes. Sometimes like I spend 30 bucks,
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  I spend 30 bucks. And he's talking about the the
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  he has my daddy and he wants to get.
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  An you, you go to you. There's a lot of people that you
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  can go to. If you have a concept, if you
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  have an idea, you have the factory laid out to make this,
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  you have exact market cost it's and you have the whole business.
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  Plan laid out and you're. Like hey, can I get?
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  Can I get but? Kickstarter.
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  Kickstarter, yeah, but, but also, but also there's just a
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  lot of people with money that you can do that people go go to
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  open a credit card and do that. That's what I'm saying.
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  Either they have a best friend or they themselves have money.
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  Yeah, that's all I'm saying. This is the thing, the best
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  friend, that conspiracy Evans. Joe, who's 300 grand in debt, he
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  he has to have a friend or do connections or else he's not
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  building. That, yeah, of course haven't
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  because everyone has ideas known as money.
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  Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah. That's they always changing.
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  Everyone comes to us like we have this idea and we're like,
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  OK, it's maybe worth 1% of everything, your idea because
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  you're not going to do anything to fulfill.
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  No, it's not 1% of everything dude.
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  It's probably it's close to 50. You hear what I'm saying though,
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  Like it's until you actually put it into fruition, it means it's,
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  it's price. It's it's, it's worth nothing.
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  Yeah, it's. Worth nothing?
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  Your idea is worth nothing. What do you think?
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  Your idea is literally valueless.
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  No, it's not, dude. I don't believe that dude.
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  Until you put it out in front of you.
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  Yeah, I think I actually I'm, I'm a big.
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  You close, Harry. It's value because you're using
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  knowledge in your. I love hobbies.
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  I love hobbies. I have a ton of them but and I
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  do appreciate them. I think most people could
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  appreciate a hobby, but a lot of people something just isn't
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  worth anything until money Until like it either makes money or
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  it's the gift of validate. I can't.
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  When you said that I was literally thinking about this
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  today that I really want I I want hobbies.
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  I really want one. Like I want a hobby, but then
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  I'm like I want a hobby that makes money.
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  Yeah. I don't think that way now.
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  You I can't see myself doing a hobby that just.
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  Doesn't what does that mean? You can you, you don't like you
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  like building things. You could do like like build
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  things around your house or fix things up around your house and
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  like that's a hobby. Like that's considered a hobby.
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  Money on other guys. I mean, I guess so.
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  And you can walk away feeling proud of yourself.
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  But. They're.
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  Handyman. Yeah, I just need to elaborate.
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  No, but that is a hobby. I don't know.
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  It's like, listen as a drone, we're all like trying to be
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  what? I don't know that I have time
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  for as many hobbies, but like, growing up, dude, you got
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  hobbies man, and you have time for sure.
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  So bullshit. We have tons of hobbies.
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  I had up. Maybe I do have hobbies, I just
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  don't know it probably. For sure dude, hang out with
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  your friends is a hobby. Do you have, you know, a few
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  people actually hang out with their friends more than once a
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  week? By the.
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  Way it's so scary the world. We hang out every like couple of
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  days. People don't.
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  People go weeks without seeing. Other human beings, dude.
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  Because she's home the whole time.
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  We're literally on our way to my kids color war thing today and
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  my phone is just Ding Ding yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  Going. On she's like, how many friends?
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  You have to say 4 delinquent friends.
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  They're all just texting. You know, it's great.
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  He plays. He plays Pacey's song about
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  Kiki's mom. I didn't.
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  Hear it yet? You didn't hear it.
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  It's amazing. It's amazing.
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  Wait, is it So for context, we have a group chat and we're
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  running, Oh, is this you're running Jokes, the song itself
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  about Kiwi's mom? It's always, it's always about
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  anyone's mom but Kiwi's mom in particular.
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  And so Casey puts it in AI. Does it say my name in the song?
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  Yeah, it does, dude. Dude, the lyrics.
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  Do you listen to the one about Queen?
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  His. Mom's house with Shadow.
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  Listen. She.
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  Says she's. Fine, she's lonely.
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  Dude, it sounds phenomenal. The lyrics are great.
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  Dude, I can't write like that. Oh my.
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  God, OK, that's enough dude. Oh man.
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  What do you what do you use to make those songs?
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  It's not. So I I put more time into it,
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  but now I just send like how do you pay for AI, right?
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  Two different but this one, though not this. 1/2.
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  Different one I have AI know somebody spends like 99 a month.
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  The others 80. 9. 95. No, I know, I know someone who
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  does, who does He has he's up to like $250 without without VO3,
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  not VO3, which is like 500 a month or two video.
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  He's been 250 a month for like different things because he's
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  just tricky for what's he paying for?
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  Well, what do they give you when you pay?
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  Versus like he thinks like a video integrating one, one that
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  automatically will put the video together and post it at the same
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  time. Then he goes on chatting with
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  you. Like find out.
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  So how can you? Automate social media I would
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  love. By the way, I would.
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  Pay that amount per month to automate my social media too I
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  feel like. So something right, because the,
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  I hope that no, it's true. I, I enjoy doing it.
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  Like, I enjoy putting the video together and I hate it, dude.
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  It's $0.00. So I hate it.
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  Dude. I, I can't do it.
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  Like really. I, I not only do I consider
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  myself useless in that capacity, yeah, but I, I don't like, I
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  actively like, I won't be able to bring myself to even allocate
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  the time to do it. Yeah, I mean, AI is definitely,
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  it's a form of creativity, by the way.
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  It's not your form of creativity, is it equalizes
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  everything like Opportunity Index was always, by the way,
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  it's a very conservative, very like fiscally amazing like
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  concept. Yeah.
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  Like it's democratized information.
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  Oh my gosh, it's and then synthesize it and spits it out.
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  And then now we all have synthesized, synthesized
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  information. Who's going to like do the next
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  step, which is to put it all together.
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  And obviously Jews have always been good at that.
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  By the way, Jews, it's not Jews. You ever watched always Sun in
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  Philadelphia? That one of the earlier episodes
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  was great. Of course, it was about like,
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  because this the landlord next door was the landlord next door
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  was Jewish. And they were like the that
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  Jewish guy, like, whoa, the Jew. So what can you can?
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  You can't say the Jewish guy, but you can't say that Jew with
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  like a hard hard J. Oh, that's yeah, you can't.
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  Say a soft J is fine. You can't.
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  You can say he's Jewish. You can't say he's.
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  The Jew, yeah, you could say like, like, yeah, you can't go
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  like the Jew, but you can be like, you know, the Jewish guy
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  next door. Damn.
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  Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, the truth is I don't
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  give a shit about any of that stuff anyway.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was at a brewery one time and
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  someone made a comment about I forgot what it was.
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  It's going to be with money and me being Jewish because we're
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  going to keep it there. And I was, like, had a good one
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  then, like, I was like, literally like, yeah, yeah,
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  nice. And then he's OK.
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  And then, like, he got up and left after a couple minutes and.
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  Oh, no. And then the bartender at the
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  brewery is like, hey, man, like, that's not cool, man.
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  Oh, he's like, hey, man, she said that to him.
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  And she was like, hey, man, that's not cool.
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  And I was like, no, it's fine. Like, that doesn't bother me.
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  But like, I never heard anyone, like, stand up to like, yeah, a
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  Jewish joke before. Dude, I kind of feels dumb.
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  I don't think I was an idiot. Yeah, no, I'm an idiot.
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  I'm sure there's people that, yeah, I feel good about that.
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  Yeah, people would feel, I feel. Good that she wants to defend
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  me. What's your name?
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  Hi, I'm Sarah Rubenstein. Also also in America, I feel
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  like because things are good in America, I don't I don't think
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  most people will feel much at least in Florida.
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  I don't know you don't feel much anti-Semitism on the day, not
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  even if it was weird. If someone like stands up to
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  you, like I lost like one, one time twice, if two or three
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  times, but like 2, two of them are like just bad really like
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  weird jokes, like one person. The sauna was just like making
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  weird jokes and and she didn't get what she was doing in the
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  sauna. Yeah, she was like in the
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  because it's a it's a go at sauna at University of Miami.
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  But she was just like making jokes.
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  It wasn't, it wasn't like a it wasn't like it was just like a
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  Holocaust joke that it was like, it was, Yeah, it was what?
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  It was someone else. It was an oven joke because you
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  guys were the sauna. Yeah, it had to be.
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  No. And I like.
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  I chuckled, and like I don't have been used in the oven.
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  Since the since. He felt weird about it after and
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  I was like, it's it's fine. Like it's not a big deal, but
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  but it's weird when they feel weird and it's someone else.
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  I was at, I was at a clinic on campus also, and the room next
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  door is joke with an Asian dude at the table.
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  You'd feel a little weird about it.
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  Yeah. So I had no problem with feeling
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  weird, but I felt weird because it's like, listen, I mean, I'm,
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  I'm good. Like, don't worry about me.
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  Yeah. Like, I'm, I'm good, I'm
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  healthy. I feel good.
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  Like I know that you don't. I know that you.
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  Don't meet any kind of blog. Yeah, you don't hate Jews
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  vegetriolically, I. Was I'm past the house on
• 17:54
  Harding on the way back from my meal last weekend.
• 17:58
  So Nazi flag. No, I hear these people from the
• 18:01
  porch. I overheard them.
• 18:02
  I I didn't take it bad, but I over here like, oh, those are
• 18:05
  the they're those people again with the skull caps.
• 18:09
  Whoa, yeah. By the way, but those people
• 18:11
  have been, by the way, to be fair, those people have been
• 18:14
  living in South Florida, in Hollywood for 50 years.
• 18:17
  They've bought their house for $12,000 and, and they've, and
• 18:22
  they've, and they've, this is the first, the first five years
• 18:25
  of their lives you've ever seen. Jude 100%.
• 18:27
  It's 100%. It's not necessarily if there's
• 18:29
  another. No, not at all.
• 18:29
  No. If you saw, if dude, remember
• 18:32
  the first time you saw an Amish person?
• 18:34
  No, I remember I was like at like 1.
• 18:36
  I was somewhere on Niagara Falls, I think, and I was in the
• 18:39
  one. I was thinking there, dude.
• 18:41
  And at the minute, yeah, I say that's my brother.
• 18:43
  I'm like, dude, look, there's like how many people here, how
• 18:45
  they got there? They're here like whatever.
• 18:48
  They don't travel, they don't take college.
• 18:49
  I thought about. That.
• 18:50
  Rumspringer No, So I looked it up.
• 18:52
  Rumspring They hate when people do that because it's like when
• 18:56
  you're off, right? Yeah.
• 18:58
  Hate when people. When if you decide never to come
• 19:01
  back, you can never come back ever again a little bit.
• 19:03
  Shunned but I'm saying they they hate like just.
• 19:05
  Have to come back here. News aren't so different.
• 19:09
  That was funny, yeah. Reputation's tough to think.
• 19:12
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 19:13
  But they there was a great interview where someone's like,
• 19:15
  by the way, Rumspringer is like, not that it's like the way
• 19:19
  we've. Because I grew up the same thing
• 19:21
  Rumspringer was like, is it you're off?
• 19:23
  No, I thought that's the way it was.
• 19:26
  You know, like I watched an interview.
• 19:27
  It's like you don't like people say like Hanukkah is about like,
• 19:31
  lights and peace and love and happiness and you're like, bro,
• 19:34
  there's like, it's not just like some token holiday.
• 19:37
  There's like, it's not their biggest holiday.
• 19:39
  Yeah. So they're like Rumspring is
• 19:42
  like, it's like more. It's not just like some time
• 19:45
  off. It's like more.
• 19:46
  But there's a purpose here. It's a good journey.
• 19:49
  Yeah, dude, let's go, man. That's what I got the champion
• 19:51
  here for. By the way, if you ever.
• 19:52
  Yeah, Orthodox Amish people think about Rome.
• 20:00
  You guys can keep going, by the way.
• 20:02
  Yeah, I mean, I'm enjoying listening.
• 20:03
  To you talk to yourself. What is it saying?
• 20:10
  Yeah. So look, so traditional
• 20:12
  conservative Amish like the Schwartz and Troopers generally
• 20:17
  see Rumspringer not as a wild free for all, but as a time of
• 20:21
  decision making and accountable. Yeah.
• 20:23
  Yeah. A serious and spiritually
• 20:25
  significant period during which a young person chooses.
• 20:28
  They want to commit to the auditors.
• 20:29
  All right, actually, actually, I'm going to totally agree with
• 20:33
  you. That's just that sounds like
• 20:34
  they're going to go to the club. That means, like, going on club
• 20:36
  and decide. Yeah, but you're worried about
• 20:38
  the sense that there's more intentionality behind it.
• 20:41
  Yeah. But like, imagine, imagine Jews.
• 20:44
  Imagine. Imagine going up instead of your
• 20:46
  urine, Israel you, which is pretty much that, I guess,
• 20:49
  right. But imagine instead of you're in
• 20:50
  Israel, you had a year where like part of Judaism was like,
• 20:53
  yeah, it was like, whatever you want.
• 20:55
  Yeah, just stitching. Technically you could like,
• 20:57
  bring her off you asshole. No Shabbos, no nothing, you
• 21:01
  mean? No, nothing dude.
• 21:03
  Whatever you want. For a year, then you decide
• 21:05
  like, is this life you want to commit to or is this to to
• 21:07
  Katie's point, I would also categorize that just as
• 21:10
  casually. Like I thought when I listened
• 21:12
  to anybody, I thought it was this.
• 21:14
  It sounds like a. That's about it.
• 21:16
  It's like, yeah, but, but I think that if you imagine if
• 21:19
  you're teaching. Imagine in a family.
• 21:21
  Structure, right? Imagine like you're you're a.
• 21:24
  Kid, imagine you're the second or third in your.
• 21:26
  Family or you're the oldest right you're the first born and
• 21:28
  like you're growing up a certain way it can hire life and like
• 21:32
  and then you turn 17 and you can like live by your and then
• 21:35
  you're like you got a year where like you could do whatever you
• 21:38
  want and like you know that your siblings are looking up at you
• 21:40
  and like watching like curious like what do you guys do?
• 21:43
  You're going out into the world when you have it, dude, imagine
• 21:45
  like just stupid kosher things, right, like imagine for you, you
• 21:49
  have to keep kosher right. You go to yeah and it was a
• 21:52
  partier and then you siblings yeah exactly.
• 21:55
  Your siblings are like what was it like?
• 21:57
  Is it worth it? Should I you know, like is it is
• 21:59
  it like is it cool? What should I do is should I
• 22:01
  should I do that or that that's really it's got to be a bigger
• 22:04
  part of the culture than Josh job Was that your like dude,
• 22:06
  yeah, it wasn't that lucky. Hey.
• 22:11
  Could you look up what? What did the Amish say about leg
• 22:15
  rubbing you? Have the percentage of people
• 22:17
  who stay away or versus what? What percentage of rum
• 22:23
  springers? They're still in the last area.
• 22:25
  What percentage of of rum springers?
• 22:29
  I'm going to. Do conservative because again, I
• 22:31
  got that's. The question.
• 22:32
  Amish what people stay, stay after rums.
• 22:37
  It's got to be high. Like they're so community like
• 22:39
  we're still very high. You imagine if someone's like,
• 22:41
  do you want to leave the Jewish community or stay?
• 22:43
  You'd be like, fuck that. I'm like I.
• 22:47
  Would say most of them go back to their families.
• 22:48
  That's what I'm saying. I agree.
• 22:50
  Let's see. That's interesting.
• 22:52
  Yeah, vast majority, 85 to 95100%.
• 22:56
  Yeah, dude, it makes sense. By the way, makes.
• 22:58
  Sense in that context of the way you just put it makes sense,
• 23:01
  dude, because you're growing up a certain way.
• 23:03
  If you just presented it like, oh, you're 17, you can do
• 23:05
  whatever you want. I guess to to what what
• 23:09
  Chatterby says is I guess besides like strong family and
• 23:12
  communities, which is like a voluntary thing they're saying.
• 23:15
  There's also like like negative and negative incentives.
• 23:19
  You don't want to run into like limited, like clear
• 23:22
  consequences, losing daily contact, friends, meaning your
• 23:27
  meaning and structure system just collapses.
• 23:29
  Like I guess it is a little. Hard to get a shit update.
• 23:32
  It makes it hard, you know, you'd be like so would you shit
• 23:37
  update is oh, but setup dating. I'm curious what the liberal
• 23:41
  Amish people what what is a liberal Amish philosophy?
• 23:46
  So is it they're like the beat. They're called Beachy Amish.
• 23:49
  No way. Beachy Amish.
• 23:50
  Dude, that's crazy. They're exactly like juice.
• 23:53
  It's exactly the same thing. They have their own language.
• 23:55
  And then like you'll have like old order Amish is in between
• 23:58
  Schwartz and Trooper and Beachy and the old Schwartz and Trooper
• 24:02
  is like, oh, Schwartz and Trooper is like, like all the
• 24:06
  way. OK, got you.
• 24:07
  You know, they're they're hardcore.
• 24:08
  What is it? Where did Amish start?
• 24:11
  Wasn't it Joseph Smith in like 1700s?
• 24:15
  It started the 1700s. Yeah.
• 24:17
  Well, that's when, I mean, there was like, this technology's
• 24:19
  chill. Let's let's stay here.
• 24:21
  Let's. This is great.
• 24:29
  Can't imagine other than this being while we're making AI
• 24:33
  songs on Kiwi's mom. Do you think we're sitting here
• 24:35
  like? How it went down, Yeah, yeah.
• 24:38
  But no, but the old order, they're like the old orders,
• 24:41
  like our wheels don't have rubber on them.
• 24:43
  They're just like the window. The the windows are like a cloth
• 24:47
  instead of like the question is why they choose in that in that
• 24:50
  particular case is why do they choose to live in like
• 24:52
  Pennsylvania and Ohio instead of like, I don't know.
• 24:57
  Yeah, but Jews go do use electricity one day a week, not
• 25:01
  their farmland. A lot of.
• 25:03
  Jews are in New York is of Ellis Island.
• 25:05
  Well, that's what I mean. I'm saying there why are why are
• 25:07
  why are predominantly Asian Americans on the West Coast?
• 25:09
  Because they can't because they flew over to that.
• 25:11
  And so Amish are predominantly in the in Ohio and.
• 25:14
  Pennsylvania. Because of, I guess, farmland.
• 25:17
  I don't know. That's a good question.
• 25:18
  Well, I don't have all the answers.
• 25:20
  I don't know. Yeah, Chad, you had it all out
• 25:22
  of thought. Dude.
• 25:23
  Dude, it's so funny. Because liberal Amish, it's
• 25:25
  different. It's 60 to 80% of youth will
• 25:28
  stay so it's a little lower any or whatever 60 to 80.
• 25:31
  Wait, but what's the what would be the difference between
• 25:34
  someone that's liberal automation as opposed to not no,
• 25:38
  what's the difference between I know, but like I'd say so like
• 25:41
  let's say if you're you say if you're orthodox, you're probably
• 25:44
  not driving on Chavez, right. Yeah, certainly not driving on
• 25:47
  Chavez. And does that mean, like, if
• 25:50
  you're a liberal Amish, like you're driving a car, but you're
• 25:52
  still going to like, yeah, I think some of them are really
• 25:55
  like, dude, it's so funny. You'll have, you know, the
• 25:57
  Sarasota floor. I've been going there, you know,
• 25:59
  on vacation my entire upbringing.
• 26:01
  Yeah. Dude, you never went to
• 26:01
  corporate ladder before. Like, I've never batted you
• 26:03
  Amish community there. Oh, or corporate ladder.
• 26:05
  It's a brewery. It's an Amish community in
• 26:07
  Sarasota, yeah. Oh, that makes sense.
• 26:09
  Very similar to like Miami Jews. It's like in if you're in the
• 26:13
  Sarasota Amish community. I don't want to over generalize.
• 26:15
  If this blows up, obviously I'm going to get a bunch of hate
• 26:18
  mail people I don't know anything about.
• 26:22
  All they have is mail. Yeah, I'll get you invited.
• 26:26
  I was going to look at Harry Potter, get the letters in from
• 26:34
  the dove. Yeah.
• 26:35
  No, I watched this is I watched like 1 documentary.
• 26:38
  Oh my God, Sarasota. What about the the HBO show
• 26:44
  about the Mormons is that guy that has like the eight wives
• 26:47
  and they all live in different houses and it's about the drama
• 26:49
  behind them? Good idea dude.
• 26:51
  Yeah, let's do it. But wait, the last thing is is
• 26:53
  because I thought it was so funny.
• 26:55
  You know how like Amish can't use scooters.
• 26:57
  They can't use like motorized stuff on shops, right.
• 27:01
  Like they'll use. Wait, is a scooter considered
• 27:03
  motorized? Yeah, So.
• 27:04
  So yeah, they. You can't.
• 27:06
  Yeah, you. You could.
• 27:07
  Or cannot. You can't.
• 27:08
  You can't use electricity. A scooter's not necessarily like
• 27:11
  a moped. A moped like for for some hand
• 27:15
  that's like, yeah, like an older guy.
• 27:17
  Then we can't get to the shul, you know, so.
• 27:19
  Oh, so in Sarasota, you know you're not, No, you're not in
• 27:23
  Pennsylvania. You know, whatever they'll like,
• 27:26
  there's. Florida dude in.
• 27:28
  Florida wait, like you know how like Jews use scooters down
• 27:30
  here, but if you live in New York, like you'll never see a
• 27:32
  single. It's the same type of thing.
• 27:33
  Yeah, it's like, whatever. Wow, that's interesting.
• 27:36
  It's sunny and culturally, by the way, that makes me even less
• 27:40
  confident in religion to hear that like like everyone, just
• 27:45
  everyone just adjust to the. Human.
• 27:47
  That's it. No, I just think.
• 27:50
  I think they move somewhere. I see it different and they
• 27:53
  change. No, but I think I see it
• 27:55
  different. I see that a lot of he wants
• 27:56
  that shot. I.
• 28:00
  Was trying to make that sadly put the stock glass back down
• 28:08
  anyways for the next time. Just sit there.
• 28:10
  Oh, there. Fuck you guys.
• 28:12
  Oh God. Well dude, I'm not a lunatic,
• 28:17
  man. I'm almost 30.
• 28:18
  I'm going to stick this good tequila.
• 28:20
  I'm going to take a 30. You're talking you 30 for
• 28:23
  people? Oh yeah, yeah dude, your
• 28:25
  birthday was like 6 months ago. No but but but I see what I.
• 28:32
  There's a difference between shooting and sipping.
• 28:34
  In terms of impact on your body, no.
• 28:37
  You know, he's just, no, he's just doing it for no reason.
• 28:39
  I actually like this tequila dude and just like I want to
• 28:43
  like. Enjoy maybe?
• 28:43
  Shooting's worse. It's like a whole.
• 28:45
  It's like all of it at once. Your liver can't take it.
• 28:48
  Your liver cane dude. That was crazy, dude.
• 28:51
  What's up with that dude? Also it made me he's so happy
• 28:53
  they wanted to fight Rogue. So sick, I know.
• 28:56
  Sick. I kept up with that for a while.
• 28:58
  Did you? What's the process of keeping up
• 29:01
  with that like? Is that like?
• 29:02
  Following the social media. Like, see what he recently
• 29:05
  posted. It goes from like high end
• 29:06
  videos to like a vlog to like every two months he posts like a
• 29:10
  more emaciated, emaciated, yeah, emaciated version of himself.
• 29:15
  I think you could say both and you could probably sound
• 29:17
  properly getting away with it. Yeah, guys like TV there when?
• 29:20
  There's what's going on. You look, you're looking big
• 29:26
  these days. You keep up with the Liver King.
• 29:30
  You want you want a little test? No, he's talking.
• 29:33
  He's saying you're looking ripped.
• 29:33
  Sandwich. You you he's saying you're
• 29:35
  looking ripped. You look like Jon Jones.
• 29:37
  Yeah. You look like Jon Jones.
• 29:40
  Jon Jones. Look, he looks like Jon Jones
• 29:43
  is. Yeah.
• 29:44
  I want to hear what? Your head.
• 29:45
  I I. Didn't hear that there's
• 29:46
  sentence. I don't know.
• 29:48
  OK. Yeah.
• 29:48
  You guys talk. You think he's going to fight on
• 29:50
  the White House? No.
• 29:51
  No. Who's fighting at the White
• 29:53
  House, Dude? Kitty.
• 29:55
  Tom Aspinall. Tom No, he's not.
• 29:58
  Dude. You need American, Yeah.
• 29:59
  Then you're like, you need Americans.
• 30:00
  You need Americans who are American fighters like Michael
• 30:03
  Chandler fucking. Sucks.
• 30:06
  No, he hates Trump. Chandler.
• 30:10
  Who's the guy that's a Nazi? Oh, Bryce Mitchell, dude.
• 30:13
  Mitchell. Mitchell.
• 30:14
  That guy's a nut job, dude. That guy's wild.
• 30:17
  Do you hear today there's a reporter like asked him a
• 30:19
  question with like an accident. He thought they were speaking
• 30:21
  Arabic, so he responded in Arabic and they were like.
• 30:24
  What It's going to be sugar, Sean.
• 30:26
  He'll be there. Sugar.
• 30:27
  Sean dude, dude, it's so fun. By the way, by then he'll be on
• 30:30
  a three-game losing he fight Little St.
• 30:32
  Roundtree. Oh, I'd love Roundtree.
• 30:34
  Dude. He if he he's fighting Uri
• 30:36
  night. Holland, Holland.
• 30:38
  I would love Kevin Holland. Kevin Holland.
• 30:41
  Roundtree. Roundtree.
• 30:43
  Is it Roundtree fighting like a chair?
• 30:46
  Then you got. Oh, you're putting together a
• 30:50
  roster? I'm putting together a roster.
• 30:51
  We need the American fighters. That's why you need American
• 30:53
  fighters. Who's the American middle
• 30:55
  weight? All the great middle weights are
• 30:57
  from other countries. Michael Chef.
• 31:00
  He's American, no? That case, like the opposite.
• 31:07
  You're not Pakistan. Do you watch Homeland?
• 31:09
  No, not in the backs. Do you watch Homeland?
• 31:11
  Of course, dude. Fucking what's happening in the
• 31:14
  world right now, dude. Good.
• 31:17
  This. Dude, Israel they were talking
• 31:19
  about. Do it, Israel Borrowings.
• 31:22
  When it came out, that's what was happening in the.
• 31:23
  World Israel's borrowing bunker Buster bombs from America to
• 31:27
  bomb Iran. Yeah.
• 31:28
  And America was like, why should we give this to you?
• 31:30
  I remember that. Dude, I was like, what am I
• 31:33
  watching this show? Is this show's out of control?
• 31:36
  Dude. What I.
• 31:38
  Love salt. You know, you told me.
• 31:40
  Yeah. I think we're cooking.
• 31:41
  I think we we're good. Yeah, I think we're cruising.
• 31:43
  We're thinking. We hit the zone.
• 31:45
  Yeah, finally. There's always a warm up, warm
• 31:47
  up phase for the podcast. There's always a warm up.
• 31:49
  They got to easy. They got to shrug your
• 31:51
  shoulders. Yeah, dude, I did.
• 31:53
  I've done a couple of podcasts with.
• 31:55
  You've done a ton of podcasts like that.
• 31:57
  Yeah, sick couple. I've done a couple in particular
• 32:03
  where I'm sitting with someone and they haven't done a podcast
• 32:05
  before and the conversation's been so much fun that like,
• 32:10
  they'll forget that we're recording Holloway.
• 32:13
  Max American. Max Holloway, OH.
• 32:17
  Shit, he's definitely going to fight the White House lawn dude.
• 32:20
  Dude, he's got to fight to Poria again on the White House lawn.
• 32:23
  That would be dude, he's going to, he's going to fight to
• 32:25
  Poria. They're both going to have
• 32:26
  another 10 lbs on them because they both fought.
• 32:28
  They both fought featherweight. He's an American.
• 32:30
  Justin Gagee OK, so here's what's happening next,
• 32:34
  apparently. Right, Ronda?
• 32:35
  Rousey. Rondo Rousey Ohh.
• 32:37
  Shit is she? Did she?
• 32:38
  Retired back now. She was an Entourage dude.
• 32:41
  Didn't she go to WWE? She's like 40.
• 32:43
  Yeah, she's been fighting, and she was fighting in 2000 and
• 32:46
  sticks when the Entourage movie came out.
• 32:48
  What happened her Her ground game was basketball.
• 32:52
  One person beat her. By the way, her and Chuck
• 32:54
  Liddell were like the faces of UFC.
• 32:56
  She was. Yeah, Chuck.
• 32:57
  Liddell and Coke at the UFC. That was the funniest video
• 33:00
  ever. You see that?
• 33:01
  You've done me that. Before.
• 33:02
  Chuck Liddell took too much Coke took.
• 33:05
  It too much. Yeah.
• 33:07
  So did Neil Young in the In the Last Waltz.
• 33:10
  In the video, there's a So Scorsese directed a concert
• 33:15
  video. There's a band called The Band.
• 33:18
  They're confusing, by the way. Yeah.
• 33:20
  Well, I feel you have to be a big band, otherwise you can't
• 33:23
  have like, a they were Bob Dylan's band.
• 33:24
  Whoa. Is.
• 33:29
  He. Grinding his teeth.
• 33:46
  Dude, that's crazy. Dude when?
• 33:49
  You get When you take too much, you lose control of yourself.
• 33:53
  Yeah, that's so terrible. It's never did you never ever
• 33:57
  ever just posted about Hunter because honestly he's a good
• 34:01
  looking. Dude.
• 34:02
  Yeah, he doesn't have a reputation.
• 34:07
  That was crazy. You just said that this guy has.
• 34:10
  Do you think anyone has a single question as to how can I be
• 34:17
  honest that that actually, in my eyes, improved his reputation?
• 34:22
  Yeah, tell you. How?
• 34:24
  Yeah. How?
• 34:24
  Because that would be in. America.
• 34:26
  No, Because people. Some people will be like, you
• 34:28
  know what he's not? He's like a real person in front
• 34:32
  of me, like talking out the like negatives of all this drug
• 34:35
  instead of just like someone that everyone's like, dude, this
• 34:37
  guy's naked like, oh, so no one throws out the expert argument
• 34:40
  with him. Are you are you a
• 34:43
  pharmacologist? I.
• 34:44
  Was asking you that. 30 years. Healthier than alcohol, which I
• 34:50
  don't know, maybe. By the way dude, that is
• 34:52
  something that someone on crack says for.
• 34:58
  Sure, you know what? Man.
• 35:01
  Dude nothing. Blue is way safer than alcohol.
• 35:05
  I think, yeah, he said it. I think he said it was.
• 35:09
  He's crazy. It's just like.
• 35:13
  Dude, he's the president of the United States.
• 35:15
  Son, son. By the way, he sounds just like
• 35:18
  Joe. His mannerisms on the way he
• 35:20
  talks. Yeah, dear.
• 35:21
  I feel bad for Joe man and. You know those.
• 35:23
  That guy I do. What do you I know, by the way?
• 35:27
  Whoa. Hunter's teeth.
• 35:28
  They're all fake. Yeah, crack mixtures are teeth.
• 35:31
  I was. Saying you were saying you look
• 35:32
  is your is your phone. On now too, dude.
• 35:34
  What? I shut off my thing.
• 35:37
  Is it a ringer on? Oh, it's buzzing like buzzes.
• 35:39
  No, it doesn't. Is it ring is my computer?
• 35:42
  No, it's yeah, it doesn't ring just vibrates in that computer
• 35:45
  ring. I'm sorry, dude.
• 35:46
  I apologize in case I absolutely no one.
• 35:49
  So, dude, can I talk to ask you about your social media presence
• 35:52
  as a lawyer? Your lawyer media presence.
• 35:56
  Well, I mean, you could yeah, it was it's it's I love it, dude.
• 35:59
  I think it's great. I think you make great content.
• 36:01
  I it's fun to do, I know. But do you think that you're
• 36:03
  going, do you think, are you like, do you have an idea to
• 36:06
  actually build up a brand name as a lawyer slash entertain?
• 36:10
  Like not entertainer, influencer.
• 36:13
  Yeah, entertainer, us entertainer, because there's no
• 36:15
  I I just listen. I like I enjoy legal stuff.
• 36:20
  I enjoy yeah, the stories you post are awesome.
• 36:23
  No, it's like definitely a hobby and then and then it has the net
• 36:27
  benefit of just kind of being just a good quality videos too.
• 36:31
  Yeah and I like I said I enjoy it.
• 36:32
  I have a buddy of mine who does also.
• 36:34
  He also does the same thing. He's also a lawyer.
• 36:37
  Yeah, attorney, yeah, he's a lawyer also.
• 36:39
  And we would like go back and forth about different equipment.
• 36:41
  It's just like it's, it's just fun and it lets, it's like, it
• 36:46
  shows that you're present in the world and that you're out there
• 36:49
  and, and. I think it's.
• 36:51
  I think it's. Upfront cost, yeah, I think it's
• 36:54
  really unique. I think it's really cool.
• 36:55
  I don't know if there's a ton of other lawyers that are doing it
• 36:58
  or not, but that's also what's cool too is like we both thought
• 37:01
  it's like, listen, there are other lawyers putting out
• 37:04
  content, but where like general videos you have you're competing
• 37:08
  with like a million people totally in in leader in a lawyer
• 37:12
  environment. You're aging.
• 37:13
  I mean, you're competing with, let's say 1000 other people,
• 37:15
  Max. Like it's not that many other
• 37:17
  people doing that. So it's it's you've got that you
• 37:19
  have a shot at actually finding engagement.
• 37:22
  Yeah, and but you had what what what what I what I think stands
• 37:27
  out to me is that I've seen a lot of cheesy.
• 37:32
  I've seen a lot of people try to do that in a really cheesy way.
• 37:36
  Yeah. And yours comes off as engaging
• 37:39
  and funny as opposed to like the cheesy guy that's a little too
• 37:43
  old team. And I'm not that's not saying
• 37:44
  that's you, that's too old team making it because the videos are
• 37:46
  good. But like I've seen people try to
• 37:48
  make videos like with medical equipment in my industry, you
• 37:51
  know, like trying to like develop that kind of same vibe.
• 37:53
  But I will. And it looks terrible.
• 37:55
  It sounds bad. Some of it does look bad.
• 37:56
  I will say even that at least you're like, because like the
• 38:00
  most important thing is telling people on a like, I enjoy the
• 38:04
  art form, but if your objective is just to get get content out
• 38:10
  so people know, you know, yeah, this guy is a doctor and this
• 38:15
  guy is, you know, ENT, ENT, then people know.
• 38:20
  But I to your point, I definitely didn't want to be
• 38:22
  that guy. I think, and I also think that
• 38:24
  people would do you think, I think that people I feel would
• 38:28
  be hesitant to to post those videos because it doesn't seem
• 38:35
  professional enough at its face. But I think that we live in a
• 38:43
  world now that's a lot less professional than it's ever
• 38:46
  been. I think that the the people that
• 38:49
  are spending money now and the people that are, you know, like
• 38:52
  the world that we grew up in or not is not a world of suits and
• 38:54
  formality and formal handshake. You dab someone up and you see,
• 38:58
  I mean, you see them, You don't you don't get for crisp
• 39:00
  handshake like, hey, good Sir, it's good to see you.
• 39:02
  What world do you wish you lived in, in between?
• 39:05
  It's really interesting. More.
• 39:06
  Formal environment with more social rules or one that's a
• 39:09
  little more informal? I really, I'm going to say the
• 39:15
  latter if there's space for the former to exist in it too, so.
• 39:23
  I would like to live. In like a free world where
• 39:27
  people, like, go to the movies in the pajamas, right.
• 39:29
  I think it's the structure. But like, if you also.
• 39:32
  And I think there could be, I think it'd be cool if there are
• 39:34
  movie theatres where like, if you went to them, it was known
• 39:36
  to be like a nicer event and you'd dress up for it.
• 39:39
  Yeah. You know, all bets are exactly
• 39:41
  right. So it's not like you have to do
• 39:43
  one or the other. And that's different places.
• 39:45
  Yeah. And you seem I always you always
• 39:47
  seem like a very I guess cosmopolitan or or individual,
• 39:53
  like a very person that they actually like depreciates unique
• 39:58
  and and differently totally, but I but I feel I I really believe
• 40:04
  what when TV just finished jerking off at the corner.
• 40:08
  He's back. How's it going?
• 40:12
  Talk to the guy. What do you say?
• 40:16
  What? Once other shit I've I've
• 40:20
  whatever. It's such a long story.
• 40:21
  You want to hear it? I'm I'm chill it soon bro.
• 40:26
  It's so. Just just know that, dude, I'm
• 40:31
  saying just tell you whatever, somebody know.
• 40:32
  Just remember, there's like 10 million people that are going to
• 40:35
  hear it. I think organizers for drawers
• 40:38
  and guy said I need one because my drawers.
• 40:40
  So you're going to hook him up? I have about 50 organizers that
• 40:43
  I can't sell in the back of my truck right now.
• 40:46
  You'll bring him. And, and I told him I'll bring
• 40:48
  him over and you can measure and see which one fits, but I'm not
• 40:51
  custom making one for you. And you just see if one of these
• 40:53
  fits in your drawer, probably will.
• 40:56
  And but the rest I told him I want to sell to a caterer for
• 40:58
  like charcuterie boards or something like that.
• 41:01
  That's it. That's a story, but what was
• 41:04
  funny? You like laughed like that's
• 41:09
  just that just sounds like your friend wanted something and you
• 41:11
  happen to be in that industry and say give him a free one.
• 41:15
  That's kind of nice dude. Would you give me a free
• 41:17
  representation? I think it.
• 41:19
  Depends. What if you're on Epstein's
• 41:22
  list? I don't know.
• 41:23
  What's that first thing I'll? Measure your drawer before I get
• 41:26
  rid of them. What?
• 41:27
  Do you want to measure your drawer?
• 41:28
  You it's it's W. Oh dude, that's a great idea.
• 41:30
  It's not a bad idea do. You want.
• 41:32
  To measure, Debbie bought organizers, but Deborah.
• 41:36
  Why did she buy organized? She bought because we didn't
• 41:38
  know the. Drawer.
• 41:39
  Yeah. Made out of what?
• 41:41
  Made out of plastic. It's just like you can extend.
• 41:45
  Oh, you got the extend there the.
• 41:52
  I'll make like. Like no, it fits your drawer
• 41:54
  exactly. What I realized Kiwi's entire
• 41:57
  character but in real life dude. He's a tiger character.
• 42:03
  No, no, I I believe you. If you were interesting, yeah,
• 42:10
  go. Sorry.
• 42:11
  My God, dude. Dude, I think it's really
• 42:15
  interesting that regular people content is coming back that like
• 42:23
  for for probably 20 years, probably 20 years, everything
• 42:26
  was like, there's one spy that like saved the world now.
• 42:30
  Like you see Netflix putting out like crime series based on like
• 42:35
  Yellowstone. Like Yellowstone.
• 42:38
  I'm talking about like nature shows, creature crime.
• 42:42
  Captures by. Porn.
• 42:48
  But I think that it. I know what you mean dude.
• 42:53
  I think a lot of the content. Did you, did you watch David
• 42:56
  Attenborough? I love David Attenborough.
• 42:58
  I believe what he did. Dude, he's like 100 dude.
• 43:00
  He's 100 about 2-3 years ago. What was he again?
• 43:04
  David, he's the voice over for every nature document.
• 43:08
  You know, Obama did one of those.
• 43:09
  Obama. Yeah, dude, he did a voice over
• 43:11
  for nature documentary. Well, Can you imagine what it's
• 43:14
  going to be like when he gets arrested and then just take it
• 43:16
  off in Netflix? Why?
• 43:19
  Do his next. And.
• 43:21
  Feed. The baby.
• 43:26
  That. Yeah.
• 43:29
  Dude, he was crazy. I had no idea.
• 43:31
  I didn't know anything about him while he was President Obama.
• 43:33
  I didn't know anything about what's going on in the world,
• 43:35
  Dude, I was so sheltered. Yeah, I was so sheltered.
• 43:38
  I didn't know all the game. Was my dad on the phone with his
• 43:40
  friends? I'm gonna throw up.
• 43:44
  I'm nauseous and I'm like, why Daddy?
• 43:45
  Why you're like keep me shouting.
• 43:48
  You're like my. Parents were like moving to
• 43:49
  Israel. Dude, keep.
• 43:51
  Me shouting you were like 37 when you were.
• 43:54
  But I was doing the math in my head.
• 43:55
  I'm like, dude, you were definitely like I was. 17.
• 43:58
  Yeah, you're an Israel. Yeah, OK, you're an Israel.
• 44:01
  Yeah, Dude, That's, dude, I I was young enough the first time
• 44:04
  I remember my parents said they're moving Israel, waiting
• 44:07
  to see who really won. He's running, guys.
• 44:09
  McCain, right? Dude I couldn't even vote the
• 44:12
  one I. Stayed up for was.
• 44:13
  Trump, Hillary, McCain. Everyone stayed up for Trump.
• 44:16
  Trump, Hillary, Dude, I was in college, dude, my God.
• 44:22
  Blackout drunk with my friends. We we, we made a drinking game
• 44:26
  out of the election where like we had both Fox and CNN up on
• 44:30
  the same every. Time Hillary grabbed A crotch.
• 44:33
  You take a, take a. Yeah, Donald, Yeah.
• 44:40
  Can you post this? I hope so.
• 44:44
  This guy, this guy alone two company.
• 44:45
  Yeah, I know. It's good we're in the zone.
• 44:48
  Odd dude. 2025 man walks over. That's it dude.
• 44:53
  Hillary's all about the strap. Off dude I can't comment get
• 44:58
  fired I'm going to get fired for Taurus climb.
• 45:00
  I got to stop there, but but Hillary by the.
• 45:05
  Way do you think people Taurus climb?
• 45:06
  Listen to your podcast. I.
• 45:08
  Know that's all my students listen to it.
• 45:11
  All right, so just edit that out.
• 45:13
  No, dude, I don't edit, man. No, you got a keynote because
• 45:17
  then it's no, no, no, dude, we're 42 minutes in, dude.
• 45:23
  If someone's that committed. Well, in that case, yeah, goes
• 45:27
  on a Nazi razing star rating with that expletive waiting.
• 45:33
  Oh my God, dude. Yeah, Go, go, go.
• 45:37
  My. Brother-in-law was saying.
• 45:40
  Did you guys do this last shot? Yeah, me.
• 45:43
  And my brother were talking about how is New York?
• 45:48
  My brother, we were talking about how in New York,
• 45:50
  everything starts at 5:00 AM So like, by 9:00 AM, like,
• 45:53
  everyone's having lunch. Yeah.
• 45:54
  You know, like that's how it is. What that always happens?
• 45:56
  In the West Coast, by the way. Whatever.
• 45:58
  No, in New York, like the hustle, like.
• 46:00
  That's but the West Coast. They're all starting East Coast
• 46:03
  time a lot of times. Whatever, all I know is like.
• 46:06
  Do you think the West Coast is you're?
• 46:08
  They're not better than us. There's so much better than us.
• 46:11
  Their weather. Wait, hang on.
• 46:12
  So he's like everyone, Everyone's like, everyone's
• 46:15
  hustling, you know, like getting there before, like the day.
• 46:17
  It's like 9:00 lunch. And then I just said it.
• 46:19
  I was like, dude, people won't crash a plane into a building
• 46:23
  before 9:00 AM. You said that dude.
• 46:28
  Dude, that good? For you, man, we got the nun.
• 46:30
  Lugging joke and not being a comedian, you're was crying on
• 46:35
  the floor. I was like, I was like, in New
• 46:37
  York today, you don't even cross into a building before.
• 46:40
  Oh my God, there's some jokes that are so good.
• 46:42
  Very, very funny. No the.
• 46:44
  Statues. Laugh out loud, but like, you
• 46:47
  just feel wrong. Yeah.
• 46:49
  You know what it is, by the way? It's.
• 46:50
  I'll tell you what it is. It's the structure that that's
• 46:53
  also funny about it. There's a yeah, Samuel said it
• 46:58
  so well. He's like this joke, He goes,
• 47:00
  this joke is going to lose you guys, but structurally it's
• 47:02
  solid. And he put that so well because
• 47:05
  he was like, listen, the content's going to make you go,
• 47:09
  but the build up and the way that I've raised it and the
• 47:12
  terminology and execution is going to be flawless.
• 47:15
  We've all heard it because I OK, Joe gains a lot of heat because
• 47:18
  his last, his last, I love his last special.
• 47:20
  So happened to me. I love this.
• 47:22
  I thought I thought it wasn't up to par, but and the early stuff
• 47:27
  was also bad, but Rocky Mountain high album up to his most recent
• 47:32
  was so funny, dude. And do you remember vegan cats?
• 47:37
  He has a whole bit about vegan cats.
• 47:40
  Harvey Weinstein bit was so funny.
• 47:41
  A female Harvey Weinstein was hysterical to you and then you
• 47:45
  went to the show at remember right before we got COVID, he
• 47:48
  did a live show in Miami. You were there.
• 47:51
  I didn't go. Are you sure?
• 47:53
  I'm positive. I do not go.
• 47:54
  Someone else. I know I was.
• 47:56
  Oh, shit. Someone else.
• 47:58
  Someone else. He got a joke.
• 48:00
  He had such a good joke man. So I thought.
• 48:03
  It wasn't me, yeah. How to tell a joke?
• 48:06
  I just time to grow up. I also had a two nights at one
• 48:09
  time and the first night he said, you know why everyone
• 48:12
  says, well, I have a phone call to take this.
• 48:14
  He's like, no one's you're not really that busy.
• 48:16
  You know why not? Because they're calling you,
• 48:19
  right? No one left because it was an
• 48:22
  attack on them, like because they're calling you.
• 48:24
  Yeah. The second night he did the same
• 48:25
  joke. But he's like, you know why
• 48:26
  they're not busy? Because those people are
• 48:28
  important. Like you don't need to deal with
• 48:30
  these people. You have better stuff to do.
• 48:32
  That's so good. Cracked up.
• 48:34
  Because then the joke. Is done, then the joke is done.
• 48:36
  By the way, that's the structure.
• 48:39
  So he, so that's how he went about it.
• 48:41
  He did that at a young age and that's how he just changed his
• 48:43
  whole. Life.
• 48:44
  I bet that's also why you. That's also how you why you,
• 48:46
  when you deal with hecklers like you zone in on them and not the
• 48:50
  audience. Like you don't make a joke at
• 48:52
  the audience's expense. You make the joke at a
• 48:54
  particular person's experience that everyone else can get
• 48:57
  behind on. The hecklers, It's free
• 48:59
  material. Yeah, dude, you just go on of
• 49:00
  off of them for 20 minutes. Yeah, especially now because I
• 49:03
  think among comedians, the the cringe thing is to like do too
• 49:07
  much crowd work, because crowd work, according to them, it's so
• 49:11
  easy. They say it's cheap.
• 49:12
  It's a yeah. So it's like they go viral, you
• 49:15
  know, they're like. Like this.
• 49:16
  I don't like too much storytelling.
• 49:18
  There's so much personal storytelling.
• 49:19
  Oh really? I do like that I it's the artist
• 49:22
  kind of now. Storytelling.
• 49:23
  Just not the whole fucking set. Well, some observation.
• 49:29
  So Andrew shows his Yeah, exactly.
• 49:31
  His life thing was always. Different.
• 49:34
  That's story. That's that's not multiple
• 49:37
  stories. That's a whole set on that one
• 49:39
  story basically. And that was.
• 49:40
  Gold. No, but I know you're.
• 49:41
  Talking. That was one of the best
• 49:42
  standard. For sure performance I think.
• 49:44
  You're talking about when there are people who do pressure, you
• 49:48
  know, 100,000. About to say.
• 49:49
  I don't, I don't. I have never listened.
• 49:52
  He just said funny, so they're not.
• 49:53
  Necessarily true. He just.
• 49:54
  But he'll. And then he'll do a hysterical
• 49:56
  laugh. Yeah, and he does like this.
• 49:57
  Hysterical. He plays like this, drunk
• 49:59
  without a shirt on, like with the yeah.
• 50:02
  I know who he is, I just haven't.
• 50:06
  I think he's funny. Like there's little Instagram
• 50:08
  videos and stuff like that. There's a.
• 50:09
  Community I think he was good with Tom Segura is good stand
• 50:13
  up. I agree because I was going to
• 50:15
  say him that he was stand up. I think he was pod.
• 50:17
  I I hate his stand up. Oh, I I think it stands.
• 50:21
  I I've heard a few good bits. I was terrible.
• 50:23
  No, Theo Theo von Theo terrible. I I don't know.
• 50:27
  No, no, by the way. It's.
• 50:28
  The Tom Vera, you know, I mean, it's, it's interesting, but but
• 50:31
  I think it's I, I what I like about his podcast is that when
• 50:34
  he asks very good, he asks things that are so you know
• 50:38
  what, what people say, for example, about a genius is, am I
• 50:42
  calling him a genius? But he will say about a genius
• 50:44
  who says that they can explain it to you.
• 50:46
  They can explain it to you. You know, someone's a genius,
• 50:49
  but they can explain a difficult concept to you as if it's really
• 50:52
  simple. He's good at getting really
• 50:55
  smart people to explain things in a really simple way because
• 51:00
  that's right and not because he's a genius.
• 51:02
  He's no offense, dude, you know, but you know nothing but love.
• 51:06
  But like, he's not Eric Weinstein.
• 51:09
  Eric Weinstein, when he. When he.
• 51:11
  When he tells a story, dude, I love that dude, but he gives you
• 51:14
  an example. He could give you 10 different
• 51:17
  examples that that emphasize that exact point in 10 different
• 51:21
  topics, movies, music, television, pop culture,
• 51:25
  history, all to and all of them say the exact same point, which
• 51:29
  is the exact point you're trying to explain to you right now and
• 51:31
  I'll like. Ever listen to was him debating
• 51:35
  times Howard on Rogan? Dude, amazing.
• 51:37
  It was the greatest pop. I didn't listen.
• 51:38
  I heard Cliff. I was.
• 51:39
  He It was just so nice to hear something.
• 51:42
  He was. So he's such a good debater, but
• 51:45
  he was so nice or something. So, so smart too.
• 51:50
  Yeah. Because he, because he's.
• 51:52
  Trying to defend that 1 + 1 = 3 and our questions like.
• 51:55
  You're crazy. You know, but he also told to
• 51:57
  his face, You're looking for attention.
• 51:59
  It's wrong what you're doing, no?
• 52:01
  No. No, it's not what he didn't say.
• 52:02
  I know he didn't say it like that.
• 52:04
  The reason why it was just a little bit because you're
• 52:08
  wasting people's time. But your point is that he had a
• 52:12
  really good way of phrasing it so that Terrence Howard could
• 52:16
  hear it for sure. If he told Terrence Howard you
• 52:18
  don't know what you're talking about, he wouldn't hear that for
• 52:20
  sure. What he says is you're really
• 52:22
  smart. You know how to put things
• 52:23
  together in a unique way. Here's where you get lost,
• 52:26
  right? And So what he's doing is he's
• 52:28
  setting him up to be willing to hear the criticism.
• 52:31
  That, Eric, is is is. So smart, Eric's.
• 52:33
  Rephrasing, Terrence Howard was saying even though he knows it's
• 52:37
  bullshit he's under. Yeah, yeah, he's showing him,
• 52:39
  understands what he's saying. He.
• 52:41
  Understands. What he's saying, Yeah, yeah,
• 52:43
  dude. It's so good.
• 52:44
  Dude, it's so great so. Good.
• 52:46
  Yeah, I love Eric Watson. I think in the world of.
• 52:49
  I think I think in a. World of like everyone's.
• 52:52
  Trying to do, everyone's trying to play, I think.
• 52:55
  I think everyone plays a Duncan game, not a dunk.
• 52:58
  Everyone bench here came onto the scene and I think I think it
• 53:01
  started with him, but like this confident, very informative,
• 53:05
  clearly very knowledgeable person who like can't stand him.
• 53:08
  By the way. I hate to say it, no, but but
• 53:10
  Ben Shapiro, you can't judge me. It's not I love him.
• 53:13
  I think it happens to be I agree with a good amount of things he
• 53:16
  says, but but what he started, what he started was like this
• 53:20
  this like caricature of like. And now everyone's trying to
• 53:23
  copy this like unapologetic, know everything, super certain
• 53:28
  about everything. Not willing to hear anything
• 53:32
  that you are weak on. You just do like and it's if you
• 53:36
  look for it, it's obvious like anytime any of these like
• 53:39
  deflection character. Yeah, they just like pivot.
• 53:42
  But well, what about what? What do you hate about America?
• 53:45
  And what about yeah, those like America is the greatest country
• 53:48
  or they'll they'll be weak about something and then just pivot to
• 53:52
  a similar but topic they're very strong on.
• 53:55
  So they can say the one philosopher they read on that
• 53:57
  topic. Do you know Sinclair's?
• 53:59
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, listen, it's like it's
• 54:01
  on, by the way, because it's baiting a skill.
• 54:03
  It's a skill. It's a skill, skill set.
• 54:05
  And this guy's done it 10,000 times.
• 54:07
  Yeah. But so do you think that
• 54:09
  Charlie? Did.
• 54:10
  Charlie Kirk's the same way, I think, because Charlie Kirk I
• 54:14
  think also similar in the sense of no distributive voice going
• 54:17
  to college campuses. No, no more than that.
• 54:20
  More than Ben. Yeah, I think he saw the bottle
• 54:23
  and I think he said like, we can squeeze this.
• 54:25
  And by the way, I'm not even saying that political movements
• 54:29
  or movements in general don't need hype character.
• 54:32
  Yeah, for sure they do. But but if you're looking for
• 54:34
  like a nuanced, interesting, unique point from Kirk from from
• 54:38
  Charlie Kirk, he's not the guy that's going to give it to you,
• 54:41
  right? He's not a philosopher.
• 54:42
  He's the he's the Dunkman. He's the guy that dunks and gets
• 54:46
  everyone to go. Oh, and watch here's.
• 54:48
  Your problem with Ben in that in that he deflects any other idea
• 54:52
  coming to him besides his like it's it's.
• 54:56
  The. Other thing the.
• 54:58
  Other thing that he but I what I would say.
• 55:01
  Is he? When he was on Jubilee people,
• 55:03
  he doesn't accept their ideas, he just says no.
• 55:06
  But when he was on Jubilee, you know what I mean?
• 55:08
  But I would say when he was on Jubilee, he went in front of,
• 55:11
  what's the guy's name? The the the well known also kind
• 55:14
  of a dunk, but he's a liberal, like similar to like Ben's.
• 55:19
  Oh, oh, oh, I know who you're talking about.
• 55:21
  Probably Crowder PP No, no, no, he's a streamer.
• 55:24
  Yeah. Destiny.
• 55:26
  No, not Destiny's great too, but I was thinking he's great.
• 55:28
  He's on Jubilee. He went on and this guy started
• 55:33
  talking about how the Senate is DEI OK because the Senate is 2
• 55:38
  people per state, and that that was negotiated by the states
• 55:42
  because they were insecure about their sizes.
• 55:46
  Cool. Then like struggling with that
• 55:49
  and trying to formulate and then later Ben says.
• 55:52
  What Senator? 2 Congressmen.
• 55:54
  Two senators per SE? What?
• 55:56
  Yeah, there's 2 senators, 100 senators.
• 55:59
  There's 100 congressmen. No, no.
• 56:02
  I used. To I know this, I don't, I don't
• 56:06
  know. I don't know this stuff.
• 56:07
  I'm not going to. I'm not going to pay this.
• 56:10
  I don't know senators and congressmen per SE.
• 56:14
  I'm I know this congressman per state and 1 senator.
• 56:18
  Every state has two senators. Congressmen are based on based
• 56:21
  on, you know, the 3/4 compromise and population.
• 56:24
  So you think you know something, look at that, and then you don't
• 56:26
  look, you don't know it. Brian.
• 56:30
  Pink chicken. But this.
• 56:38
  But wait. So yeah, hello.
• 56:41
  You're talking because no, I don't know.
• 56:42
  It's just me now. He went to go grab some No.
• 56:45
  So the funny. So he does the point of DEI and
• 56:48
  then bench care later says like he was the most interesting one
• 56:53
  to talk to. He he had an interesting point.
• 56:55
  He disagreed. Ultimately, he acknowledged that
• 56:57
  this guy like brought up an interesting fresh idea.
• 57:01
  He had a response, which was that the state's negotiated it.
• 57:03
  But it is rare, I guess. Yeah, by the way, that's a great
• 57:06
  call. It's a great call, by the way,
• 57:08
  Maybe maybe Bench and all these dudes, when I say I like him,
• 57:11
  don't like him, it's obviously based on their public persona.
• 57:14
  And then they do. And you know, all the videos I
• 57:16
  see, I'm sure he's a, you know, he's based it off his public,
• 57:19
  you could say. Voice.
• 57:20
  I don't care. They've been.
• 57:23
  Doing these public personas we have a problem with.
• 57:25
  He can be a nice guy, Yeah, by the way.
• 57:26
  And and what I've always said is that I think there's a time and
• 57:29
  place for the Duncan. And I actually think that a
• 57:31
  certain point dunking hurts you. And I think that, Yeah, can you?
• 57:34
  Explain what dunking is. When you like going for when you
• 57:37
  say like America's the greatest country in the world, then you
• 57:39
  ask a teenager to like respond to that.
• 57:42
  And then you always have a pivot ready and you always have
• 57:44
  something or let's say, no, it's not, it's not that it's, it's
• 57:49
  like up so that you can like you make a mistake that someone
• 57:51
  tries to argue with you and then you dunk on them and.
• 57:53
  You got a job? Yeah, Yeah.
• 57:55
  You just set it up because you know all this.
• 57:57
  Charlie Kurt does that. Yeah, and Ben Shapiro started by
• 58:00
  doing that where you say that anything.
• 58:02
  So what's your problem? And then they'd be like, my
• 58:04
  problem is that women do blah, blah, blah.
• 58:06
  And he's like, yeah, well, everything.
• 58:10
  You know when they're dunking, when they respond way too
• 58:13
  quickly to that. Yeah, that's right.
• 58:16
  Out of their mouths like. Pouncing 100% and he's so right.
• 58:20
  Like the second they finished like yeah, but they just.
• 58:23
  That's when you're negotiating. That's when you're negotiating
• 58:26
  with someone and you're like 200.
• 58:28
  Like whenever the other guy's responding way too quickly.
• 58:32
  100%. But that makes you not, that
• 58:34
  makes you not want to deal with that person.
• 58:36
  I actually think that's a big I also think by the way, and also
• 58:40
  he's kind of sorry to call him out like this flip flop.
• 58:46
  I don't think he's going to. I think it's ridiculous that he
• 58:49
  flip-flopped on like, I'd say freedom of speech stuff or like,
• 58:55
  you know, like DI stuff when it comes to like Orthodox Jews or
• 58:58
  Israel or whatever. Early on.
• 59:00
  He was early on when he was talking, they did his stuff.
• 59:03
  What happened? Nothing.
• 59:05
  Yeah. I don't know what happened.
• 59:07
  I know, but like it almost feels like there's been a, there's
• 59:10
  been a whoa, there's like 400 fat boys.
• 59:16
  Or is it running like probably. What's a billion dollar company?
• 59:18
  Yeah, yeah. Journalists work for him all
• 59:20
  over. Yeah, I think he had to sell
• 59:22
  some of his opinions, right. You have to sit to a certain
• 59:24
  degree of the sellout to be that big.
• 59:26
  You can't stick on everything. That's why I never want to
• 59:28
  freaking do any of that shit, dude.
• 59:30
  Yeah, it's tough, man. That's good.
• 59:31
  It's not. But it's also not worth it.
• 59:32
  Like, what's it worth? What's the ball?
• 59:34
  He says he shipped. He says he keeps.
• 59:36
  He gets to keep 60% of his opinions.
• 59:38
  But now and shift all that. But now everyone's laughing at
• 59:41
  him. True, yeah, you know, because
• 59:43
  you got stuck in you got stuck in that devil's deal that you
• 59:46
  made to, to to sell out and, and have and have one opinion for
• 59:50
  everything. Yeah, yeah, you know, and that's
• 59:51
  that's that's the problem. You can't change now It's it's
• 59:53
  too many too much online. Yeah, yeah, I think.
• 59:56
  There's been, There's been, there's been.
• 59:58
  Destiny is probably a great example on the left of someone
• 1:00:02
  who will literally just say whatever he thinks he does not
• 1:00:05
  he recently. I mean he's crashed out mine.
• 1:00:07
  What happened to him? He crashed out hard.
• 1:00:09
  He just started hating on concert.
• 1:00:12
  He's a liberal who does like. He does.
• 1:00:14
  He's got like, he's very like logic and making an actual, he
• 1:00:18
  wants to formulate a good argument.
• 1:00:19
  He's probably not. Even that liberal, he's probably
• 1:00:21
  what he call, he's probably an independent that just likes to
• 1:00:24
  say he's liberal. Because his court stays liberal.
• 1:00:25
  But but he's but he's a great example of that because his
• 1:00:28
  audience will always stay relatively small.
• 1:00:30
  Every time he has an opportunity to be bigger, he just like is.
• 1:00:34
  So I guess that he wants to keep his opinion so badly he wants to
• 1:00:38
  say. No, but you know by the way, but
• 1:00:40
  the difference is that. He if.
• 1:00:42
  He's. Good quality of his own
• 1:00:43
  opinions. He's a Tim Dylan or Joe Rogan.
• 1:00:45
  Sure, if he's a moron that's literally crashing out then he's
• 1:00:49
  devastating and he falls apart and no one knows what happens to
• 1:00:51
  him. You know, like.
• 1:00:52
  When's the last time? Like when's the last time he was
• 1:00:54
  getting respectable? Like he was going on like Lex
• 1:00:57
  Friedman's debate with a bunch of really not to do that.
• 1:01:02
  He went online, he said, shame on you, Lex, you piece of shit.
• 1:01:06
  Like for the for the most part, no way.
• 1:01:08
  What do you say rate relation with Lex Friedman did multiple
• 1:01:11
  things. I love Alex amazing content with
• 1:01:14
  Lex. He's actually growing.
• 1:01:16
  He's actually, you know, growing.
• 1:01:17
  And then he goes ahead and Lex, I think does like one interview
• 1:01:21
  with one of these conservatives and like I guess doesn't hit
• 1:01:23
  hard enough on like against the conservative points.
• 1:01:27
  And he's destiny like publicly says about Lex, like you sell
• 1:01:31
  out you piece of shit you like. And then Lex says publicly,
• 1:01:36
  like, I'm really surprised by this.
• 1:01:39
  I, I really thought we were friends.
• 1:01:40
  I thought this kind of criticism, you would DM me like
• 1:01:43
  we'd have a conversation about it.
• 1:01:44
  I don't know why you're doing this publicly.
• 1:01:47
  I, I feel it's, it's disrespect. And then they like they broke
• 1:01:50
  the relationship fell apart because I, I'm good about
• 1:01:53
  keeping, keeping himself a human.
• 1:01:55
  And it's so funny because he's such a robot.
• 1:01:57
  He's like, he's like a, he's robotic about keeping himself
• 1:02:00
  human. It's crazy, but I agree with
• 1:02:02
  you. Like Destiny just every, it
• 1:02:04
  seems every time the guy like finds a foothold, he just wants
• 1:02:07
  to be fringe. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:09
  And I kind of hear that at a certain point.
• 1:02:11
  And also by the way, and I really do think there is a human
• 1:02:15
  psychology thing of self sabotage.
• 1:02:17
  I think that devices. Are I think that like we take
• 1:02:20
  pleasure some kind of weird sick pleasure and like knowing your
• 1:02:23
  side. This guy nods along with your
• 1:02:25
  sabotage. Of course, that's what advice
• 1:02:27
  is. Advice is self sabotage, right?
• 1:02:29
  What's your advice? It's like I'm a healthy person.
• 1:02:31
  What's your advice? Your advice is always going to
• 1:02:32
  be drinking, smoking, women, you know, porn, whatever that
• 1:02:36
  whatever it is. But but we like everyone needs
• 1:02:40
  advice. It's so weird.
• 1:02:41
  We need like something to direct our self-destructive of like
• 1:02:44
  tendencies, tendencies into, but like, why do we even have that?
• 1:02:48
  Like what would be the point? Like what's that?
• 1:02:50
  Like what's the evolutionary purpose of having a
• 1:02:52
  self-destructive? You know that.
• 1:02:58
  We're human. Yeah.
• 1:03:00
  No dude, that just limits time being human.
• 1:03:04
  OK. So.
• 1:03:05
  But that's not good. You want you want to preserve
• 1:03:07
  yourself as long as possible. No, I never said it was good and
• 1:03:09
  you're not consciously doing. It dude, did you listen to
• 1:03:12
  figure out you're? Going to say it all.
• 1:03:13
  I think you just want to, you just want to like give in to the
• 1:03:16
  so you just want to give in to the dopamine head.
• 1:03:18
  You just don't want to. That's what it is.
• 1:03:19
  You don't want. To fight it.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah, yeah. Your body.
• 1:03:22
  You want to just do what feels good and you don't want to fight
• 1:03:24
  what feels good. And most people who do it
• 1:03:27
  further end up dead or. Over.
• 1:03:29
  Yes, exactly. Yeah, if you take it too far,
• 1:03:31
  you're, you're, that's the scary part, right?
• 1:03:34
  Everyone, Yeah. Everyone here knows someone who
• 1:03:35
  drank and drove. And everyone here, everyone here
• 1:03:40
  has probably, maybe. No, I have a lot of.
• 1:03:44
  I can't. I've always been very careful.
• 1:03:45
  But I know people who who I know I, I can't say I know people who
• 1:03:51
  are, who have a lot to lose, who will, you know, very publicly
• 1:03:55
  just get behind the wheel of a car.
• 1:03:57
  And it's, and it's, it's been a problem for them.
• 1:03:59
  Yeah. But you know what?
• 1:04:02
  They don't look at it like that. No, no, no, definitely not in
• 1:04:05
  the moment. But also I don't think there's
• 1:04:07
  certainly people that are certain the twenty 30th time
• 1:04:10
  they've done it. You know what sad dude, there
• 1:04:12
  was the UI. Most people who do it.
• 1:04:14
  It's like the 200th time I've been thinking about this for a
• 1:04:17
  while. I I, I, I, I was hanging out
• 1:04:23
  with someone. I went to an open mic like 6
• 1:04:25
  months ago, right? And I was hanging out and I
• 1:04:28
  brought AJ with me and, and after and after I and I can't
• 1:04:34
  smoke before I play. I get too self-conscious.
• 1:04:37
  But after I play, I go outside and I take a couple of puffs to
• 1:04:40
  hang out and go go back inside and hang out and see who else is
• 1:04:43
  playing. Excuse me?
• 1:04:45
  And, and there was someone outside.
• 1:04:50
  There's two people outside that I knew and I was like hanging
• 1:04:53
  out with them and I was talking to them and, and I and I was
• 1:04:54
  smoking and I was like, Hey, you guys want to hit.
• 1:04:56
  And they're like one guy was like sure, like takes a hit and
• 1:04:58
  like the other and like the person that he was with took a
• 1:05:01
  hit and the person took a hit with like a sad enthusiasm.
• 1:05:08
  You know, like you get like almost so whatever it is like
• 1:05:16
  almost like a sense of like guilt, but like I gotta have it,
• 1:05:20
  you know, like, and we've definitely had that feeling with
• 1:05:23
  like a beer or like a drink where like you didn't want that
• 1:05:26
  drink, but like everyone else is having a drink or like whatever
• 1:05:29
  is going to give like a sad enthusiasm for your vice where
• 1:05:31
  like, you know, it's not good for you.
• 1:05:33
  You know, you don't want it. You just go ahead and you just
• 1:05:34
  like push it, you know, and like I thought to myself, like,
• 1:05:38
  that's so sad. And then, and then I I mean, I'm
• 1:05:43
  experiencing myself too. No, I I listen.
• 1:05:45
  I think if we're, if we're honest, most people have
• 1:05:49
  probably experienced it. Most humans let themselves down
• 1:05:53
  at, at some point in their lives.
• 1:05:54
  Yeah. You know, no matter what
• 1:05:57
  capacity. Poor Kiwi, He's crying.
• 1:06:01
  But you're on a serious note, Suite.
• 1:06:03
  You know, but. I thought it was interesting,
• 1:06:06
  like I, I, that, that, that moment really resonated with me
• 1:06:09
  where like you could see the person like wanted to smoke so
• 1:06:12
  badly and like felt like they, they shouldn't and like did and
• 1:06:17
  like, there was like a like, like the way that like they just
• 1:06:19
  took the hit. They were like, so like, like,
• 1:06:22
  excited and prepared, you know? And I was like, I don't feel
• 1:06:25
  good about, like, sharing in that kind of sense, you know?
• 1:06:28
  Like, I was like, yeah, that wasn't what you wanted to do.
• 1:06:30
  No, of course not. I mean, I don't know if knowing
• 1:06:32
  is going to happen, you know? But can't control it.
• 1:06:34
  Yeah, I wonder we would just be. If you could be happy.
• 1:06:43
  You. Said you knew, you know, call
• 1:06:47
  people OD. Yeah.
• 1:06:51
  I don't even know deed. I don't people that committed
• 1:06:53
  suicide hang out with Wow. I know, I know, I think. 4.
• 1:06:58
  Or five people that committed suicide.
• 1:07:01
  Whoa, that's. A lot of people.
• 1:07:02
  Yeah, I did. Whoa, yeah, I know one person
• 1:07:06
  who committed suicide. Katie, did you kill him?
• 1:07:10
  Casey, do you want a truly no dude, I'll but but like it's an
• 1:07:15
  American film. There you go, man.
• 1:07:18
  I have. It's right here.
• 1:07:20
  Yeah. Oh, it's.
• 1:07:21
  So it's still going. Sure.
• 1:07:24
  OK, I'm going to take. Do you want to?
• 1:07:26
  Should I have citrus squeeze or another watermelon?
• 1:07:28
  Great. I'm not having a good time.
• 1:07:30
  I'm not doing it surely. I know which one should I have.
• 1:07:32
  Citrus squeeze or watermelon? Do you want the watermelon?
• 1:07:37
  We are doing it's. Crazy.
• 1:07:40
  He's asking. Me so panacea dude, what about
• 1:07:45
  Kiwi Kiwi's in pacing? He's looking at his no pacing
• 1:07:49
  going pasting split break. Oh, split break.
• 1:07:53
  Yeah, I wanted to ask you about AI more.
• 1:07:59
  No. About utilizing it about your
• 1:08:05
  friend that your friend that used it for for his business and
• 1:08:08
  whether or not you think that's a viable thing that's like
• 1:08:12
  worthwhile to do. This is unfortunate, but this is
• 1:08:14
  a weird time. I need the restroom but I he
• 1:08:17
  just. Oh, hang on.
• 1:08:20
  Well, I meant to. No, we're we're back.
• 1:08:22
  Yeah. We meant to ask what?
• 1:08:23
  What's how much? What have you learned since
• 1:08:27
  starting? Because this pods now you're
• 1:08:28
  over 100 episodes. Over 120 probably, because I
• 1:08:33
  know that you. Yeah.
• 1:08:34
  Well, we celebrated the 100th, Yeah, but it wasn't really the
• 1:08:37
  100th because you had like over 100, by the way, under named
• 1:08:40
  guys. And some of those were just you
• 1:08:42
  like Bill, like you were just. Yeah, you would just do just
• 1:08:45
  you. Those are.
• 1:08:46
  What have you learned since talking to that many people?
• 1:08:48
  Because you've talked to some interesting people.
• 1:08:50
  What have I learned? It's a cool.
• 1:08:53
  It's a cool thing. I've really learned that there's
• 1:08:58
  information to kind of back up anything that you want to find
• 1:09:02
  and there is literally an endless amount of information to
• 1:09:08
  back up people's biases to anything that they want.
• 1:09:10
  Did that? Was that depressing to see or
• 1:09:13
  feel? Because no, it kind of had a.
• 1:09:15
  Feeling that it already existed. To be you kind of knew, yeah.
• 1:09:18
  Everyone still everyone's talking shit.
• 1:09:20
  Yeah, it must be. It must be.
• 1:09:22
  Everyone's got info to back them up.
• 1:09:24
  But yeah, confirm it. But you know, it's actually
• 1:09:26
  crazy to me, though. It's crazy to me when they're
• 1:09:28
  actually think opinions that people have that really don't
• 1:09:32
  hold light. And then when they still stick
• 1:09:34
  to them and you're like no weight to it.
• 1:09:36
  It doesn't really like and, and maybe it's to me, I've been,
• 1:09:40
  I've been working really, really hard to try to be open minded
• 1:09:43
  and to really be able to like process and and like accept even
• 1:09:49
  if it's uncomfortable or, or difficult or challenging
• 1:09:52
  uncomfortable truths. Yeah.
• 1:09:53
  Uncomfortable truths. And and then when you see that
• 1:09:57
  people's opinions are shaped by their inability to accept
• 1:10:01
  uncomfortable truths, that's in your like, he just walked.
• 1:10:06
  In I don't even know. Who decides what you know what
• 1:10:09
  at the end of the day? It's so it's so crazy because
• 1:10:11
  like, you know, you say that AI is like it's a possible to tell
• 1:10:14
  the difference between like anything.
• 1:10:16
  It's already fucking impossible to tell the truth between
• 1:10:18
  anything anyway, dude. Well, that's not.
• 1:10:21
  It's not. You're not.
• 1:10:22
  It'll be on a higher level, but but to your point, same shit,
• 1:10:26
  same so. My brother-in-law in Israel,
• 1:10:28
  he's developing an app he's really close to like getting it
• 1:10:32
  done. An app.
• 1:10:33
  A lot of people develop an app. Basically.
• 1:10:37
  Not inventing the idea it. Listens.
• 1:10:40
  The idea is worth one stupid percent.
• 1:10:41
  Dude. He.
• 1:10:42
  Uses AI to listen to conversations and tell.
• 1:10:45
  They could tell based on what the person is saying, whether
• 1:10:47
  they're lying. So whoa, yeah, it's a whole.
• 1:10:50
  It's a context that's like the next, the next version of the.
• 1:10:55
  What do you call it? The what do you call detector?
• 1:10:57
  Yeah, lie detector. He's.
• 1:10:59
  He's been, he's been calling like all over the US, mainly the
• 1:11:02
  US. He doesn't deal with it, but he
• 1:11:03
  listens. He calls it forensic
• 1:11:09
  psychologist. Psychologist.
• 1:11:10
  And he just talks to them, you know, because those are the guys
• 1:11:13
  who could tell whether a person's lying or not without a
• 1:11:15
  lie detector. By the way, they usually can't.
• 1:11:18
  Whatever it is. Pretty notoriously he's.
• 1:11:20
  Building an app and like CEOs can use these.
• 1:11:23
  Use app for board meetings, job interviews, things like that.
• 1:11:28
  That's cool. That is very, very.
• 1:11:29
  I guess what I guess what it's probably better at than humans
• 1:11:32
  are is keeping track of a story that someone's telling and then
• 1:11:36
  catching inconsistencies because our memories don't tend to.
• 1:11:40
  End this conversation with his app has a whole analysis drop
• 1:11:43
  down of yeah that was said. Really, really, really.
• 1:11:46
  That's the. Way you were going with it,
• 1:11:47
  Awesome. You get to see.
• 1:11:48
  You get to. See the awesome.
• 1:11:50
  Logic training. That's awesome idea.
• 1:11:52
  Very, very. I love that.
• 1:11:54
  Almost done like with the initial like investment.
• 1:11:58
  Because the, the, the, the getting fucked left and right,
• 1:12:03
  man, part of AI isn't, isn't now because now, like frankly the
• 1:12:08
  only AI you see. Because I remember like 10 years
• 1:12:10
  ago I was talking about AI and like, really it was like,
• 1:12:14
  because not, I'm not like unique, but like there were
• 1:12:19
  people that just knew artificial intelligence was coming, but it
• 1:12:23
  wasn't to market. So like 10 years ago I was 15
• 1:12:26
  and like thinking about it, talking about it, then sending
• 1:12:28
  it in law school. And then like 2 years ago it
• 1:12:31
  actually exploded. Mark.
• 1:12:32
  Yeah. But like before two years ago,
• 1:12:34
  it was no one even thought about it.
• 1:12:36
  It was like if you mentioned AI three years ago, like, oh, like
• 1:12:39
  what? Like like you're not like, Oh
• 1:12:41
  yeah, sure. Because three years ago, the
• 1:12:43
  version of AI that we were seeing was, you know what it
• 1:12:46
  was? It was imessages guessing what
• 1:12:48
  our next word is going to be. And it was so bad at it.
• 1:12:51
  Do you remember that? Yeah, he was actually like, hey,
• 1:12:53
  new engineers. It was coming very fast and very
• 1:12:56
  aggressively. Yeah.
• 1:12:58
  But the the craziest part is going to be when AI, because I
• 1:13:01
  always remember this, this thing coming up, which is engineers
• 1:13:04
  right now are even now to this day are surprised at how well AI
• 1:13:10
  can. Yeah, they don't get it.
• 1:13:12
  They can. They can learn.
• 1:13:13
  I think we're really making consciousness.
• 1:13:16
  I think we are. I don't think I I.
• 1:13:17
  Really don't think it's that far.
• 1:13:20
  It's the top. It's Eric Weinstein again.
• 1:13:22
  Eric Weinstein again. Had a conversation with Diary of
• 1:13:25
  a CEO, and it literally sounds like he was an acid the entire
• 1:13:28
  time. He sounded like he was.
• 1:13:30
  He was speaking about, about he was.
• 1:13:32
  His responses had nothing to do with what the guy was prompting
• 1:13:37
  him with. But one of the things he said is
• 1:13:38
  that most human beings are LLMS. Like most of the LLMS.
• 1:13:43
  Yeah, large language models like most of your conversations that
• 1:13:47
  you have with people on a regular basis in your life could
• 1:13:49
  be had with ChatGPT. Yeah, you could do a binary of,
• 1:13:52
  you know, you could just say how you doing good Well, you know,
• 1:13:55
  how's life been? How's the kids?
• 1:13:56
  Good kids are fine. School's hard.
• 1:13:59
  You know like most of this stuff does not require conscience
• 1:14:03
  conscious thought. So human beings are LLM's to a
• 1:14:05
  certain extent. And then when you push us to a
• 1:14:07
  certain point and we have a certain amount of pressure or
• 1:14:10
  stimulation or flow and conversation, we can achieve
• 1:14:14
  something that kind of exceeds that level of LLM ship and
• 1:14:18
  that's consciousness. Well, the the issue is, the
• 1:14:24
  issue is we don't know what consciousness it is.
• 1:14:26
  And so the problem that you run into is, is I've been trying to
• 1:14:30
  reach out to people that study consciousness, by the way, for
• 1:14:32
  the podcast. Yeah, I want to talk to them.
• 1:14:33
  It's I, I would love to hear that.
• 1:14:35
  Because the, the biggest problem with AI isn't when I say
• 1:14:38
  problem, I mean distinguishing human from AI.
• 1:14:41
  Yeah. Is that the only way we ever do
• 1:14:44
  it is just based off of what you just said.
• 1:14:46
  We we only when I talk to you, when I talk TV, when I talk to
• 1:14:49
  people, you just you know that you're not AI because you
• 1:14:53
  whatever you think, look at yourself, you think you're not
• 1:14:55
  and you use free will. No.
• 1:14:57
  What? But you're confident even dude,
• 1:15:00
  No, no, but no, no. What was it?
• 1:15:01
  Because I'm talking about the question is the fact that you
• 1:15:03
  the observable, you're talking about observable universe.
• 1:15:06
  OK. You don't have a choice, right?
• 1:15:09
  To a certain degree, yeah, right.
• 1:15:11
  There are things you there are things you don't choose.
• 1:15:14
  You always have the purposes of your desire.
• 1:15:16
  Find out in my life, you have to be.
• 1:15:18
  You have a desire to reproduce, right?
• 1:15:20
  Yeah. That's not choice.
• 1:15:22
  That's DNA. That's someone wrote that into
• 1:15:25
  your DNA. OK, so we have evidence that
• 1:15:29
  there are things that we don't choose.
• 1:15:31
  We don't choose to have adrenaline pumping through US
• 1:15:33
  and have an animalistic response thing.
• 1:15:35
  Not to reproduce, though even it's a desire to.
• 1:15:38
  So birth control and contraception, but he's great.
• 1:15:42
  He's saying we can choose. Yes, there's before in front of
• 1:15:47
  us we can say, yeah, of course, that's also the same to make the
• 1:15:52
  same argument. If you were not in a place where
• 1:15:56
  you were there to protect your offspring, then you did not have
• 1:16:00
  offspring. That's why you didn't have
• 1:16:01
  offspring when you were 12, even though you're physically capable
• 1:16:04
  of. There's a lot of evolutionary, a
• 1:16:06
  lot of evolutionary. There's a lot.
• 1:16:07
  There's a lot. There's a lot you.
• 1:16:09
  Can't afford to have a kid. That's the point.
• 1:16:11
  And they don't have a kid. It's but it's not, it's not
• 1:16:14
  going against their nature. It's in their nature to not have
• 1:16:16
  a kid that they can't preserve. Correct.
• 1:16:19
  So it's still not a choice they're making.
• 1:16:22
  I mean if free will is given to every human being.
• 1:16:25
  That's that's what we say, no. That's crazy.
• 1:16:28
  This is straight from God. No, I'm sorry.
• 1:16:30
  So why it's so God? So tell me why so?
• 1:16:36
  That's the that's. What I understand the words that
• 1:16:38
  I understand, the words that we are not.
• 1:16:39
  But the point is, the point is we haven't mapped out what and
• 1:16:43
  how consciousness manifests. And I like to believe and do
• 1:16:49
  believe that there is some unique element to it.
• 1:16:52
  But in the observable universe, you have to prove it.
• 1:16:54
  And right now all we can prove is is how we see the universe.
• 1:16:59
  So when I'm talking to you, if a robot, right, if an AI can do
• 1:17:04
  everything you do everything, including programming not to
• 1:17:09
  sleep outside of marriage and infidelity, including all of
• 1:17:13
  those things and programming. All I can see are two versions
• 1:17:16
  of TV and they're and they and they operate the same way.
• 1:17:19
  They operate the same way I have.
• 1:17:21
  I have no way of distinguishing the two.
• 1:17:23
  That's the issue. Yeah, but that robot is not
• 1:17:26
  thinking about how I broke my ankle in 3rd grade and I was
• 1:17:31
  traumatized by that. No, Sir, I know.
• 1:17:34
  But am I aware that you're thinking?
• 1:17:36
  That no. OK, so who cares?
• 1:17:38
  What You're aware, but I'm only aware.
• 1:17:40
  Why does that? Matter.
• 1:17:42
  Because what Paige is saying is that to the observable universe,
• 1:17:44
  I won't have no way of knowing that you have your own
• 1:17:46
  subjective worlds and you can just made that up.
• 1:17:49
  OK, so I'm saying where you go with that?
• 1:17:51
  Who cares? Is that all we can measure?
• 1:17:54
  All we can measure is what we see and experience.
• 1:17:57
  And and I can't measure what you experience.
• 1:17:59
  I measure what I experienced, right?
• 1:18:01
  And and if I see an AI experiencing life the same way
• 1:18:06
  and I tested, you know, the Turing test, the Turing test is
• 1:18:09
  used. The Turing test is literally
• 1:18:11
  sitting in front of another human being and judging whether
• 1:18:14
  they're an AI and you have to figure it out.
• 1:18:16
  So no way really that's what it is.
• 1:18:19
  That's what it is. That's the test been the whole
• 1:18:20
  time. That's everyone says like the
• 1:18:21
  Turing test is. That's the Turing test is is
• 1:18:25
  that's a test. The test is, is it because we
• 1:18:28
  have because all we can go off of the house?
• 1:18:32
  But. Sit out of another guy on the.
• 1:18:33
  Street and I passed it on certain topics so if you think
• 1:18:36
  about car crashes you can't tell but right now I don't think it's
• 1:18:39
  passed like as like yeah if. There's a guy beating the shit
• 1:18:43
  out of another guy on the street.
• 1:18:44
  The robot is going to take the guy who's being the shit out of
• 1:18:47
  the other guy and be like, whoa, stop hitting him.
• 1:18:50
  What the human's going to say is the guy who's going to beat
• 1:18:52
  enough? Oh, that guy's that rapist from
• 1:18:54
  last night. Ohh yeah OK, good.
• 1:18:57
  Don't stop. By the way, but time out, time
• 1:19:00
  out, time out. That's just ridiculous argument
• 1:19:03
  because because AI has memory now.
• 1:19:06
  Dude, your ChatGPT remembers the conversation and click contact
• 1:19:11
  with though. Dude I understand.
• 1:19:13
  No, it's simple. I can make it because I will.
• 1:19:17
  Take a video of something and have that.
• 1:19:18
  No, no, any hypothetical. We can just always create a
• 1:19:22
  hypothetical where a AI manifest in its actions exactly the same
• 1:19:28
  as a human and then you still have to always you always end up
• 1:19:31
  having to determine right, two actions are the same, which one
• 1:19:35
  is human. Now wait one second.
• 1:19:38
  I want to give you an olive branch because because what I do
• 1:19:40
  agree with is I think Elon Musk recently said this.
• 1:19:44
  We nobody but he's doing early bro.
• 1:19:49
  He's been the guy that fucks wrong.
• 1:19:57
  Yeah, dude, Can you imagine that?
• 1:19:59
  Can you imagine 50 years telling someone, like there's someone on
• 1:20:02
  the spectrum and like we're quoting him and like, dude, 50
• 1:20:06
  years ago, not 50 years from now.
• 1:20:08
  Did I say 50 years ago? Oh, you said that.
• 1:20:10
  Yeah. No, but when it comes to human
• 1:20:12
  consciousness, we don't know. That's why I said, you know what
• 1:20:14
  it is. We don't know it.
• 1:20:15
  I agree. I agree.
• 1:20:16
  And, and what Elon Musk's point is, is like, if we want to
• 1:20:20
  continue to, to have the, the human experience, we, we just
• 1:20:24
  have to upgrade our hardware so that our, our.
• 1:20:26
  Our processing and our our hardware is just can can keep
• 1:20:29
  cause consciousness software. But yeah, but but I'm not, I
• 1:20:34
  don't denigrate the the human experience.
• 1:20:37
  Yeah. By the way, the idea and I don't
• 1:20:40
  know if it's gonna hold up. But it's an interesting idea.
• 1:20:43
  That the AI conscious is gonna match the human conscious is
• 1:20:46
  totally absurd to me. That's all really.
• 1:20:48
  Dude, it's not at all even a little bit scary to you.
• 1:20:50
  No, I. Think it's going to be so?
• 1:20:53
  Scare the shit out of me, dude. I just go for a job.
• 1:20:55
  One of the first people to eat. Dude, this guy's like fuck that
• 1:20:59
  AI is going to come along and be like, well this guy don't come.
• 1:21:02
  Close to the to the way we were created in the image of God.
• 1:21:05
  That's it. I'm sorry.
• 1:21:07
  Like by the way, I. And I think AI is going to be so
• 1:21:11
  smart and so, but it's not going to come close.
• 1:21:13
  By the way, there's a lot of people that I remember thinking
• 1:21:16
  this a while ago. And then I think other people
• 1:21:19
  obviously come in the same room, which is when you look at
• 1:21:21
  obviously the Torah and the what it means to be human, that the
• 1:21:25
  Torah. But the Torah even contemplates,
• 1:21:28
  albeit when we when we think about my chef, we think about
• 1:21:32
  all these concepts it we do discuss, you know, the human
• 1:21:36
  experience sort of has an endpoint that that everyone's
• 1:21:40
  there's going to be more. We say we're going to go to
• 1:21:42
  Olamanishama, which is really the world of souls.
• 1:21:44
  So you know what that is? Yeah, we might find a way to
• 1:21:47
  capture are consciousness, which could be the soul and no idea
• 1:21:52
  what's going on we're. Like the thing that affects the
• 1:21:55
  soul? Well, I just think that we have
• 1:21:57
  no idea what's going on. We have no idea what's going on.
• 1:22:00
  And they're synthesizing intelligence and they're doing
• 1:22:03
  all this stuff. And so I, I try to stay humble
• 1:22:06
  while also staying, you know, saying, dude, it's crazy.
• 1:22:09
  And also the interesting thing is I thought it's really
• 1:22:12
  consciousness. I'm not scared at all.
• 1:22:14
  I'm not scared. I'm having a beer.
• 1:22:15
  If I was scared, they have you sitting here not.
• 1:22:17
  Going to be. No, no, I said.
• 1:22:20
  I'm here. He's having his last beer.
• 1:22:32
  No bro, I meant like I'm not obviously not scared of you're
• 1:22:38
  out of control dude. I love it.
• 1:22:39
  Just give you a little shot. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:41
  Dude, I'm not, I'm not saying I'm like scared enough that I'm
• 1:22:44
  going to like stop living. I listen.
• 1:22:46
  Like you said, you got to live. You laugh.
• 1:22:49
  What is it? Live, laugh.
• 1:22:50
  Love. Like, yeah, Make Love.
• 1:22:51
  Not. Not love, not war.
• 1:22:54
  Listen, the fact that three humans right now are sitting on
• 1:22:56
  a table drinking, talking about this stuff, it's amazing.
• 1:22:58
  It's a beautiful. Thing, dude, we're having a good
• 1:22:59
  time. That's what you think dude.
• 1:23:00
  You're all my AIS in my head. I cannot wait to go home and
• 1:23:04
  listen to that Kim's mom song again.
• 1:23:06
  Oh, it's so good. By the way, I'm telling you
• 1:23:08
  Pops, no cat. I just dude, I'm.
• 1:23:13
  Filling it up. Man, no, you've been slacking
• 1:23:15
  it. Yeah, dude, I've.
• 1:23:18
  You look a little blessed, a little blushy.
• 1:23:25
  I'm just talking out of my huge ass dude.
• 1:23:30
  What? Never mind how bad.
• 1:23:32
  That's pretty. Good, I get because.
• 1:23:35
  Dude, just don't try to box me out before playing basketball.
• 1:23:40
  I we're trying to, we're trying to I love it.
• 1:23:44
  I. Yeah, like Kimi's knocking away
• 1:23:47
  and let's. Just do this now.
• 1:23:51
  I think that why dude, we're back, dude, we had to pause
• 1:24:01
  because there's been a fit of outrageous behavior.
• 1:24:05
  So we're going to we're going to just simmer down a little by
• 1:24:09
  taking another shot of tequila and pacey is chugging my Lefroy
• 1:24:14
  like a lunatic. By the way, it's something you
• 1:24:17
  sip. It's not something you chug.
• 1:24:19
  You're an opitic. I'm going to be real.
• 1:24:21
  My my dad introduced if anyone, if any of the listeners want to
• 1:24:25
  get a bottle of Lafoe. It's a great bottle, very smoky.
• 1:24:29
  But I had AI had a friend in college, Michael Steinberg,
• 1:24:33
  whose friend sounds so Jewish. He is Steinberg Steinberg.
• 1:24:38
  Wow, friend of the pod and friend of the pod.
• 1:24:42
  Dude, let's go. He's friends.
• 1:24:43
  He's like friends with the pod and he and he lived down the
• 1:24:48
  down the hall from me in college.
• 1:24:49
  And he used to be able to smell when I'd open up a bottle of the
• 1:24:52
  floor again Friday night, he'd walk into my apartment to be
• 1:24:54
  like, you're drinking smoke. Yeah, 100.
• 1:24:56
  And I'm like, that's my dad. I say, dude, he opens the bottle
• 1:25:00
  like at the bar, like I walk in and I know that such a potent,
• 1:25:04
  pungent, potent. Just the AC for people
• 1:25:09
  listening. This guy looks up like like like
• 1:25:12
  a lizard like a like a reptilian instinct of danger.
• 1:25:16
  Pouring rain. First of all.
• 1:25:19
  Dude, I got a good one. I got a good one.
• 1:25:22
  If anyone knows what you look like right now you're wearing.
• 1:25:25
  I got to explain the joke. Right now you're wearing like a
• 1:25:28
  Nike soft polo. Why do you look like you work at
• 1:25:31
  a dealership? I've been.
• 1:25:34
  Saying I have a red one in the exact same way.
• 1:25:36
  Me too, by the way. Yeah, look like he's trying to
• 1:25:38
  sell me like KV. I've been trying to convince KV
• 1:25:42
  for three years to leave his jobs and sell pickup trucks.
• 1:25:49
  I mean. By the way, you would put me in
• 1:25:51
  a pickup truck, dude, I would walk in.
• 1:25:54
  I would walk in like, I don't know.
• 1:25:55
  And he'd be like it's going to it's going to change your life
• 1:25:58
  and you're going to walk away. Good.
• 1:26:00
  You're going to you're going to love it, dude.
• 1:26:01
  I would walk away. Your shitty house would look
• 1:26:04
  like a mansion. If you sound like a drug I'm
• 1:26:07
  telling you could sell me a truck and a Harley at the same
• 1:26:10
  time bro. Dude, I love your house.
• 1:26:13
  Man, I'm just messing you out of you.
• 1:26:14
  But dude. Oh yeah, by the way, you hit us.
• 1:26:16
  You. You.
• 1:26:17
  You. Yeah, dude.
• 1:26:19
  For no reason. Oh, you didn't even have to.
• 1:26:22
  I knew the joke was done. I know.
• 1:26:24
  I went deep. Yeah.
• 1:26:25
  What? Have four boys, bad kids.
• 1:26:29
  Have four boys, boy, and then show me your house.
• 1:26:32
  Dude, I don't know how you. I don't know how you breathe.
• 1:26:34
  By the way. Dude, I I like in and out.
• 1:26:37
  What are you talking about? He's not you.
• 1:26:38
  You've been here every other night.
• 1:26:40
  Dude, that's how I. Breathe.
• 1:26:41
  What? He's been here every other
• 1:26:43
  night. My.
• 1:26:44
  Kids. Are in bed this by 7.
• 1:26:48
  Dude, today, this morning, Shua's teacher canceled school
• 1:26:55
  and Rafael went to the guy. Levy, the chiropractor.
• 1:27:01
  He's half an hour away. She leaves at 10:30.
• 1:27:05
  Her appointment's at 11. She's there for an hour.
• 1:27:07
  She goes to the supermarket on the way back.
• 1:27:09
  She gets home at one. I have Shua and Ariel at home.
• 1:27:12
  Oh my. I did so little work and so
• 1:27:17
  little productivity between the hours of 10:00 in the morning
• 1:27:22
  till 1:30 in the afternoon when she got home.
• 1:27:24
  I did absolutely nothing, dude. I didn't just no way because I I
• 1:27:30
  would get tired, but like I got to keep up.
• 1:27:33
  You know, that's so true. And I totally agree that
• 1:27:36
  tradition. I mean, that's the thing, like I
• 1:27:40
  love working from home, but I need, I need like 3 or 4 hours a
• 1:27:44
  day minimum of just like. Opportunity to learn and.
• 1:27:51
  The shit all the time. And then what do I have?
• 1:27:54
  You have that dude, you're out of your house at 8:00, at 7:30
• 1:27:57
  in the morning. It's pretty sweet that you're
• 1:27:58
  here right now. That's pretty cool.
• 1:28:00
  Yeah. Because you just want to be
• 1:28:01
  home. He's like, just leaves, just
• 1:28:02
  walks out the door. That's what I mean.
• 1:28:05
  The kids, I don't care. I'm just kidding.
• 1:28:06
  But like, he's out of his house at 7:30, comes back at 5:00,
• 1:28:10
  right? You're home.
• 1:28:11
  You're home every day on five. Trillions.
• 1:28:13
  There's a Coinbase update. Coinbase, dude, are you into
• 1:28:16
  crypto? You're crypto.
• 1:28:17
  You're crypto, bro. No, are you dude?
• 1:28:19
  I didn't realize. Yo, whoa, you're Bitcoin, dude.
• 1:28:22
  What do you want? Ethereum.
• 1:28:24
  What are you doing, bro? I'm not into.
• 1:28:28
  Crypto, but I do have some crypto.
• 1:28:30
  How much? Crypto, do you have you put a
• 1:28:32
  little money inside? No, and I tried cheese in there.
• 1:28:38
  Diversifying. He's diverse.
• 1:28:40
  Folio. Do you have any black kids out
• 1:28:43
  of your phone talking about diversifying?
• 1:28:45
  I didn't realize we were sitting among like, the wealthy.
• 1:28:50
  Dude, Dei I. Didn't realize bro.
• 1:28:52
  I didn't realize you were rich. I, I It all goes to my kids and
• 1:28:56
  I. I know by the way I've done the
• 1:28:58
  math. You know that one kid?
• 1:29:00
  Is that make? It doesn't mean shit goes to my.
• 1:29:02
  One kid is a is like a Maserati. What's I'm saying?
• 1:29:05
  It's every it's like you could you could on the monthly
• 1:29:08
  payments of Maserati is like one kid.
• 1:29:10
  I'm OK with that. You know, like most about the
• 1:29:12
  first couple years, the kids life, the kids.
• 1:29:14
  And by the way, I'm OK with that.
• 1:29:16
  Obviously I came with it. I, I, I never trade a car for a
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  child. I understand, but we live in a
• 1:29:21
  world that hates them. I know, I know we live in a
• 1:29:24
  world. I was actually talking about
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  this. We when's the last time you saw
• 1:29:30
  a woman in a movie that was successful and confident in a
• 1:29:34
  mother? I know it's.
• 1:29:35
  Was that something you saw that don't confident what and a?
• 1:29:37
  Mother as a mother in a healthy marriage, was that something you
• 1:29:41
  saw that in a it's always like a broken marriage.
• 1:29:43
  It's a broken marriage. A strong independent mother, a
• 1:29:45
  mother that chose a woman that chose not to have kids.
• 1:29:48
  So by a woman and the and the truth is, I was talking to a
• 1:29:53
  couple of my people recently about this on on the podcast
• 1:29:56
  also that movies and and entertainment shape culture.
• 1:30:03
  They shape it. Of course everyone loves them
• 1:30:06
  and then. Yeah, dude, it makes a
• 1:30:07
  difference. It's so true.
• 1:30:09
  You know what's going on. You're embarrassed to say that
• 1:30:11
  there's you know what's going on.
• 1:30:12
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• 1:30:18
  the amount of work that Gabby does having four kids and at
• 1:30:22
  their job, I'd be like you're a hero too.
• 1:30:25
  So you're you're don't much remember.
• 1:30:27
  TV shows you don't remember, but you remember like the TV.
• 1:30:29
  Shows what do you do dude. How old are?
• 1:30:31
  You. It was all you.
• 1:30:33
  Don't remember, it was back in the 30s.
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  Yeah, yeah, like. Every show was a married couple
• 1:30:38
  of kids, a happy family. Did you see Bill Maher's about
• 1:30:41
  Brady? Bunch, Yeah.
• 1:30:42
  Oh, no, Brady Bunch, they were. No, No 2, two different.
• 1:30:45
  Wow. Still family.
• 1:30:46
  Whatever. Still family.
• 1:30:47
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• 1:30:48
  I ought to remember we joked about no, that's not Family Guy.
• 1:30:55
  Why IOTA? No, I know, but family.
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  Guy. I think the guy get the shit out
• 1:31:01
  of. That, yeah.
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  Pretty much. He's like, like like like she
• 1:31:06
  beats like a snarky comment. He's like you bitch.
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  It's so good because that's like, if it was real life,
• 1:31:17
  that's for sure would have happened.
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• 1:31:19
  That's terrible about it. It's so funny.
• 1:31:21
  Dude, it's crazy. Japan.
• 1:31:25
  That's what's going on in Japan. What?
• 1:31:26
  Do you mean the housekeeper is making snarky comment to the
• 1:31:29
  homeowner? Get in the.
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  Ditch. Oh my God, what were you saying?
• 1:31:46
  Dude, the 50s went hard, man. Do you ever hear Shane Gillis is
• 1:31:49
  the best bit about George Washington I've ever heard.
• 1:31:53
  We all grew up knowing this shit.
• 1:31:55
  We all knew like George Washington went hard, then Shane
• 1:31:58
  Gillis. It's about structuring a bit the
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  way he's like don't make me love him.
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  Don't make me love George Washington and then see some
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  crazy shit like his teeth and then I have to my favorite
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• 1:32:14
  shove you out like a hot party. You're blinking.
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  You're blinking, son. Like what the?
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  He brings his guys on a. Boat in the dead of wind and
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  he's like, come on here. We're going to kill him, by the
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  way. I started thinking about that a
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  Man did. Actually see that?
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  That's what actually. Happened.
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• 1:33:10
  No one wants any part of it. I feel like, you know, it's.
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  Be president. I'm sorry.
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  He wasn't the one that wrote you.
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  He was. You don't hear.
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  You don't hear about all the amazing dude.
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  This guy went hard. He was.
• 1:33:28
  He was not a poet. Yeah, I, I, he was.
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  I think he was. He was pretty.
• 1:33:35
  He went. He was jiggy with it.
• 1:33:36
  He did not. I don't think he did.
• 1:33:37
  He let his slaves go after I think.
• 1:33:41
  He let his slaves no. No Jefferson.
• 1:33:43
  Jefferson after in his will, I think, released all I think
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• 1:33:48
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• 1:33:52
  I think they're free to work for someone else.
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  Free to go until that was wrong. After I die.
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  Everyone's like with dude you're overthinking.
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  The everyone's like, maybe I don't feel like the hardship of
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  Jews, which is why I don't definitely don't, dude.
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• 1:34:36
  So I'm saying when, when, when you're going to feel it in 10
• 1:34:38
  years. I'm saying, yeah, but yeah.
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  But like when people like make jokes about slave or like when
• 1:34:44
  people talk about slavery or like or try to not minimize, but
• 1:34:48
  try to contextualize slavery. Yeah, everyone had slavery.
• 1:34:51
  Yeah, it can. It feels diminishing to the to
• 1:34:54
  the suffering of your great grandfather.
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  Your grandfather I get Yeah. So as a Jew I don't feel that
• 1:34:59
  that being said that context, you can laugh, joke so can you.
• 1:35:03
  But that being said when people talk about like JFK not J RFK,
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  like the letters RFK wrote about Jews about like we can let them
• 1:35:13
  in but like you can't let them like move around the country.
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  Everyone was anti-Semitic who said that?
• 1:35:19
  RFK. I know.
• 1:35:20
  FDRFDR yes, he has his letters. He hated Jews, dude, everyone
• 1:35:24
  hated Jews until like 1950. We don't fucking sucks.
• 1:35:29
  We gave everyone another fucking reason excuse to hate us again.
• 1:35:32
  Well, there's no good, but we gave a little door a little bit.
• 1:35:37
  Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.
• 1:35:41
  I just an excuse, just I was talking to my I know.
• 1:35:46
  The guy I. Learned with today.
• 1:35:47
  This morning we're talking about this.
• 1:35:48
  He's. One of the only people in the
• 1:35:50
  world that I could talk to you about this kind of stuff except
• 1:35:52
  for my fucking podcast apparently.
• 1:35:54
  And and and we're talking and I was like, dude, why is Israel
• 1:35:59
  set of making themselves look so fucking bad to everyone in the
• 1:36:04
  fucking world all the time? America hates Israel right now
• 1:36:09
  more than they. Have.
• 1:36:10
  In my life, in my that was happening and this accelerated.
• 1:36:14
  That was already happening. No, it wasn't, dude.
• 1:36:16
  Yes, it was. Young people didn't fuck with
• 1:36:18
  this. We young people, yeah, you know
• 1:36:20
  what we could have done? We could have helped ourselves,
• 1:36:22
  dude, no, if young people were saying guess what?
• 1:36:26
  We're sick of 25 years of war and the same Middle East war.
• 1:36:29
  Israel didn't have to go and get America involved again when all
• 1:36:32
  of America was like, we don't want this and I have no
• 1:36:35
  appetite. We voted for Trump into not gave
• 1:36:37
  it. But the the question is the
• 1:36:38
  Gaza, the issue in Gaza would have happened in 10 years.
• 1:36:42
  I know years 30 Gaza eventually happened.
• 1:36:45
  Well, maybe. You know what else I think could
• 1:36:48
  also happen, which I think no, would have come by and said,
• 1:36:53
  yeah, you get Saudi Arabia. I'm going to rebuild the
• 1:36:57
  rebuild. Leave it, leave it alone right,
• 1:37:01
  so America looks great because of funding it.
• 1:37:03
  Israel looks good because of letting it happen.
• 1:37:05
  UAE has the OR Dubai, whoever it is, trust the Arab world.
• 1:37:10
  You all go together, you get you say you guys all have a
• 1:37:14
  legitimate opportunity to have good structure from the ground
• 1:37:17
  up. Go ahead and do it.
• 1:37:19
  And for some reason instead of that, every single time that BB
• 1:37:23
  comes to the White House, we end up bombing another country.
• 1:37:26
  I'll say this, that looks bad. I agree BB is more more of a war
• 1:37:31
  monger than maybe Israel needs right now.
• 1:37:33
  That being said, I think there's a lot more heat that Israel gets
• 1:37:37
  simply because the the you could say Israel's about to make a lot
• 1:37:43
  of Israel was in the process and is maybe in the future going to
• 1:37:47
  continue making a lot of progress in trade agreements,
• 1:37:49
  right? Where a lot of with even with
• 1:37:52
  the UAE, with Saudi Arabia with they're working on that.
• 1:37:57
  Yeah. So, so all these countries were
• 1:37:59
  normalizing was were constant. There was a constant
• 1:38:03
  normalizing. Well, the reason October 7th
• 1:38:05
  happened the Jordan, Jordan in Syria was reason the reason the
• 1:38:11
  reason people say part of the reason October 7 happened was
• 1:38:15
  because of the normalizing of trade relationships.
• 1:38:18
  And I ran. No, dude.
• 1:38:21
  Do you disagree that Iran is? Do you disagree that Iran has
• 1:38:24
  continued? No, I don't drop up the the
• 1:38:28
  issue. I don't disagree.
• 1:38:30
  No, No, I don't disagree. Do you agree?
• 1:38:33
  That. Israel had almost certainly
• 1:38:37
  either two options a known about October 7th before it happened
• 1:38:43
  or while it was happening and responded very late and B, I
• 1:38:48
  don't believe there's a chance in a million years.
• 1:38:50
  They don't know where the hostages are.
• 1:38:53
  I think in a minute, I think both all of those things, both
• 1:38:57
  of those those things, both of those options, our generation is
• 1:39:01
  screwed. Both of those options, I think
• 1:39:05
  are are products of a world where we assume that there's
• 1:39:10
  perfect information everywhere. And it's almost scary to think
• 1:39:14
  that there is imperfect information.
• 1:39:16
  It's scary to think that Israel isn't smart enough to know where
• 1:39:19
  every hostage is exactly. It's scary.
• 1:39:22
  I don't think it's scary to think that there was a mishap to
• 1:39:24
  some 20. Yeah, it's scary to think that
• 1:39:28
  there's some 21 year old women. It's scary to think that it's
• 1:39:30
  not wait, wait. It's scary to think there's
• 1:39:32
  some, there's some. Wait.
• 1:39:33
  It's scary to think there's some 21 year old at the desk, some 20
• 1:39:37
  year old Intel operative at the desk who doesn't know.
• 1:39:40
  It's scared to think we don't know.
• 1:39:42
  And the same thing happened with 911, everyone said.
• 1:39:44
  I can't. Believe no one knew about It's
• 1:39:47
  scared to think that the world is chaos to a certain agreement.
• 1:39:51
  You can talk to him. I, I, I, I agree with you.
• 1:39:53
  I'm saying I don't know. I think like we all know
• 1:39:55
  everything and there's some guy at the top that knows everything
• 1:39:58
  and everyone else. It's an excellent argument.
• 1:39:59
  I do not disagree with you. I really don't.
• 1:40:02
  I really don't. The first all that we knew about
• 1:40:04
  it before. We, I think that, I think
• 1:40:07
  October 7th and two, we knew where the hostages are.
• 1:40:10
  Maybe not all of them, but we know where a bunch of them are
• 1:40:12
  and we could get them out. We have not.
• 1:40:14
  We said the same thing of Pearl Harbor.
• 1:40:15
  We said that Pearl Harbor, they said I'm not.
• 1:40:17
  I let it happen because the boats were lined up together
• 1:40:20
  because Bora Bora knew, we knew that the planes were coming.
• 1:40:23
  But the truth is we knew the planes were coming.
• 1:40:26
  We didn't know because there were a lot of training
• 1:40:27
  operations and that never happened before.
• 1:40:29
  And the boats were lined up because we were more concerned
• 1:40:32
  about sabotage than than than a plane coming and bombing in a
• 1:40:35
  linear line. Sure.
• 1:40:36
  So that's I'm saying for sure, do not do not time out.
• 1:40:41
  Let's say, hypothetically, I concede to.
• 1:40:44
  To that complete. Point right, which I let's say I
• 1:40:46
  do, maybe I do I don't have, I don't have a very strong opinion
• 1:40:51
  one way or the other about it because I don't know anything
• 1:40:53
  about it. So I don't need so, but what,
• 1:40:55
  what I will say is that it did take like 7 hours to respond to
• 1:40:59
  the scene. It says Israel does not Israel
• 1:41:02
  does not take 7 hours to respond to anything.
• 1:41:06
  When I, I will go to the airport and I will I will go to Ben
• 1:41:10
  Gurion airport. It's very, it seems, dude, I'll
• 1:41:12
  go to Ben Gurion Airport and someone leaves their backpack
• 1:41:15
  outside for 30 seconds too long and bomb squad is there and then
• 1:41:19
  the entire thing is shut down and.
• 1:41:21
  Then. They say, oh, they're they're
• 1:41:22
  like. This is the border of Gaza.
• 1:41:25
  No, but the worst was that they were giving excuses like there
• 1:41:27
  was an election going on. We were sidetracked.
• 1:41:30
  Go fuck yourself, yeah? Like he said here for here's go
• 1:41:35
  fuck Yeah, exactly. Here's here's what I believe.
• 1:41:38
  I it seems pretty wild. It's.
• 1:41:41
  Amazing. I could be wrong.
• 1:41:43
  I'm totally OK with being wrong. I could be wrong.
• 1:41:45
  I, I, I would, I, I have no problem being wrong.
• 1:41:49
  I think that BBBB is causing issues to avoid to to avoid to
• 1:41:54
  avoid the the day of reckoning that he has to face inevitably
• 1:41:58
  sure he already had a had a day of reckoning to face prior to
• 1:42:02
  I'm not I'm not I started. I'm not an Uber fan of Uber.
• 1:42:08
  I'm not arguing. I'm not arguing with you.
• 1:42:11
  I'm just I'm just making no, I'm not trying to fight with you or
• 1:42:14
  argue with you. My point is that you could fight
• 1:42:17
  an argument. I know, but I'm not trying to
• 1:42:18
  because I think that all this is in the conversation and the good
• 1:42:21
  like I what was best for Israel that that.
• 1:42:24
  But that does not mean that you don't get to say when you think
• 1:42:27
  they're doing something stupid that you can't say that you
• 1:42:29
  think they're doing something. I I started.
• 1:42:31
  I think, I think, I think Phoebe is not the right shit.
• 1:42:34
  I think Phoebe is not the right leader for today.
• 1:42:37
  What we need. Yeah.
• 1:42:38
  And the same thing can be said about Winston Churchill.
• 1:42:40
  Yes, there's a bad thing. There's a lot of people who are
• 1:42:43
  good for church, what Family Guy.
• 1:42:47
  There's a lot of people are good for a certain period of time or
• 1:42:49
  yes, I, I, I thought for a while that BB is a little just he's
• 1:42:53
  just a little too much for, for what Israel may need when it
• 1:42:56
  comes to the subtlety of diplomacy.
• 1:42:58
  Diplomacy, diplomacy, diplomacy, yeah, and trade and all that
• 1:43:03
  stuff. But yeah, it's not just
• 1:43:04
  politics, by the way. I think it's really interesting.
• 1:43:06
  I was talking also to someone else recently about this, where
• 1:43:10
  I think that because there's been a systemic breakdown in
• 1:43:15
  trust in authority and institutions, there's been a
• 1:43:22
  breakdown in the trust that young people have not wanted to
• 1:43:25
  get involved in those institutions, right?
• 1:43:28
  So like say, Hollywood for example.
• 1:43:42
  Hollywood's run by old people. They do the same shit year to
• 1:43:47
  year. We took the the swing off the
• 1:43:49
  tug. It was just to like curl the
• 1:43:52
  experiment. Dude.
• 1:43:54
  Hollywood to get kids does not stop.
• 1:43:59
  That's not making the same shit because the same people have
• 1:44:04
  been running the company for twenty, 30-40 years.
• 1:44:08
  News hasn't changed. The same corporations have been
• 1:44:11
  the same people for the same 203040 years.
• 1:44:12
  Politics hasn't changed. I think that for, well, every
• 1:44:17
  but even education, young people are turning away from college
• 1:44:20
  for the first time in 30 years, 40 years, 50 years.
• 1:44:24
  I know, dude, it's going to be great.
• 1:44:26
  But, you know, it's amazing. But it took so long.
• 1:44:29
  Someone was like, do you want to, do you want to pay into
• 1:44:31
  Florida? What's that for the program
• 1:44:33
  where you're paying now and then have it like exponentially
• 1:44:35
  cheaper for your kid if you start paying now Prepaid.
• 1:44:38
  Yeah. I'm like, dude, of course you
• 1:44:41
  think in 20, you think in 20 years college is going to be a
• 1:44:44
  thing. I had that for Nathan.
• 1:44:45
  I cashed it out. Man, yeah, you're like, what is
• 1:44:47
  this? You're like, well, this was a
• 1:44:48
  stupid idea. Like, I can't believe I did this
• 1:44:50
  for three years. But I think the point is.
• 1:44:53
  That was going for so long. Yeah, I think that there's so
• 1:44:56
  many old people. Interrupted you?
• 1:44:58
  Yeah. Well, so I think there's so many
• 1:45:04
  young people that are so disenfranchised with the world
• 1:45:07
  today that we don't want to step up to the limelight in the in
• 1:45:13
  what's been historically the regular areas.
• 1:45:15
  Instead, people are trying to make their own things.
• 1:45:18
  What, what, what, what worlds are the young are the young
• 1:45:20
  people in? They're in podcasting, they're
• 1:45:23
  in AI, they're in technology. They're in worlds that are not
• 1:45:25
  typically considered old school. They're not in politics, they're
• 1:45:29
  not in film, they're not in education, they're not in
• 1:45:32
  universities, they're not in research.
• 1:45:35
  They're not in like, I think a lot of people are so
• 1:45:38
  disenfranchised with the way that the old school has run
• 1:45:43
  things that they've kind of, they, they've given up pursuing
• 1:45:47
  it. And instead of pursuing it, they
• 1:45:49
  just let them keep it and they try to do their own thing
• 1:45:51
  separately. And I have no problem with that.
• 1:45:54
  Yeah, it could be a good thing, but it takes time for the world
• 1:45:57
  to switch over. For example, I just read on
• 1:46:00
  Twitter like Variety had a top 100 meaningful, like impactful
• 1:46:06
  podcasts, shows Joe Rogan didn't make the top 100.
• 1:46:09
  No, that was. So I know.
• 1:46:11
  Does that, does that show you how huge of how huge of a chasm
• 1:46:16
  there is between the mainstream, quote UN quote, corporate
• 1:46:20
  mainstream media and what people actually listen to?
• 1:46:23
  And there's no way to get recognized in that kind of world
• 1:46:26
  and be in that kind of world at the same time.
• 1:46:28
  You should have say that point for a podcast like 10 minutes
• 1:46:31
  into it instead of, yeah, dude, I'm going to say it again, dude.
• 1:46:34
  It's a very, very good point. I think that chasm is going to
• 1:46:40
  continue. Yeah.
• 1:46:41
  And then young people and, and then and that's like, I'd say,
• 1:46:44
  for example, cable television versus streaming, right?
• 1:46:48
  Cable television is just going away.
• 1:46:51
  I think a lot of these methods that that are old school, that
• 1:46:54
  no one's adopting, that no one has even like the effort or the
• 1:46:57
  energy or like the will to fight late nights over.
• 1:47:00
  Yeah. They're like, you know, I'm not
• 1:47:01
  going to fight to try to get on this late, late, late night
• 1:47:04
  show. Shit.
• 1:47:05
  This sucks. I'm just going to do my own
• 1:47:07
  podcast and you know what? It works so well that all the
• 1:47:11
  late night shows aren't making any money anymore.
• 1:47:13
  Here's the question I have because it's to me originally.
• 1:47:17
  And even still, although it's a little less I'm so I'm so
• 1:47:21
  excited when I see podcasting and like, because the way you
• 1:47:27
  used to learn something, if it's good or bad, but it's at least
• 1:47:31
  at least it's authentic. The way, dude, bottom shelf, the
• 1:47:36
  way you used to, the way your mom's bottom shelf, dude.
• 1:47:40
  Yeah. The way you used to learn
• 1:47:41
  something was through like, your older sibling or your community
• 1:47:45
  or area. And now with podcasts, with all
• 1:47:48
  this stuff, you. I remember when, like, I started
• 1:47:51
  seeing like, I learned almost certainly more from, like, free
• 1:47:56
  information than I did from school because I was
• 1:47:58
  homeschooled and the only school I ever saw was really law
• 1:48:01
  school. Yeah.
• 1:48:03
  Like in an authentic manner and so like learning from the world.
• 1:48:06
  Into law school. I do like Kim Credit Action.
• 1:48:11
  I just yeah, you're making that shit up, dude.
• 1:48:15
  So, like, the only schooling I ran was law school like that
• 1:48:18
  barely. I mean, taught me obviously
• 1:48:20
  stuff, but like, nothing about like, what makes me a person.
• 1:48:24
  Yeah. And it's crazy how like, but now
• 1:48:27
  that's my English degree was really useful to me.
• 1:48:30
  Yeah. It taught me how to be a person.
• 1:48:31
  Yeah, and like that was the only thing you taught me.
• 1:48:34
  But yeah, I didn't, I didn't know you had an English too.
• 1:48:37
  Yeah. What kind?
• 1:48:38
  Yeah, yeah. English Slit Foster,
• 1:48:41
  Shakespeare, that stuff. Dude, fuck that shit.
• 1:48:42
  I didn't read any of that shit. Yeah, dude, I, I did all, I did
• 1:48:45
  all these creative writing. I did creative writing.
• 1:48:48
  I think I did 2 creative writing things in my I got started
• 1:48:51
  creative writing and the only major there was was either
• 1:48:55
  rhetoric or creative writing. And I didn't want to do
• 1:48:57
  rhetoric. I didn't even let the men watch.
• 1:49:00
  Because there's an H after the R.
• 1:49:01
  Yeah, exactly, dude. Yeah.
• 1:49:03
  What's your creative right? What?
• 1:49:05
  A lot of poetry, dude. Poetry.
• 1:49:07
  Poetry. It's ironic.
• 1:49:09
  I thought you would really like, like Chaucer stuff.
• 1:49:12
  You know what I learned Chaucer. I love Shakespeare.
• 1:49:16
  I didn't love Old English. I love Beowulf.
• 1:49:20
  That is all English. I know.
• 1:49:21
  That was the only one that I liked.
• 1:49:23
  I loved Beowulf. There's something about it that
• 1:49:25
  was so funny, that was so like the.
• 1:49:27
  Big roasters. I read violence ago.
• 1:49:28
  He was big on that. He would always no.
• 1:49:32
  Dude, you know who I like? Dude, the little engine that cut
• 1:49:37
  the little pill. I just need a pill.
• 1:49:39
  Dude, when I when I saw on screen, I had a teacher that
• 1:49:43
  used to show me a Shakespeare scene with three different
• 1:49:47
  actors, Dude, that's that was him.
• 1:49:50
  I know dude, there's two different.
• 1:49:52
  Actors, I was. Listening.
• 1:49:55
  And each of the actors would play the role completely
• 1:49:58
  differently. And that's why I loved it.
• 1:50:01
  I was like, when you have the ability to take a script and
• 1:50:05
  translate it, if I tell you, Pacey gasps, right?
• 1:50:11
  You gasp out of enthusiasm. You gasp out of angst.
• 1:50:16
  Or. You gasp seriously out of
• 1:50:18
  surprise. But the point is that a lot of
• 1:50:22
  what screen writing is a lot of what acting and screen writing
• 1:50:27
  is, is the more specific you are as a screenwriter, the the the
• 1:50:31
  worse the actor could afford to be.
• 1:50:33
  Yes, yeah, absolutely. Because if you're a really good
• 1:50:35
  screenwriter, you don't even leave that direction.
• 1:50:38
  Like apparently the office trees have great screen.
• 1:50:40
  Yes, apparently the office was, was was shot like that or like
• 1:50:44
  the worst actor where is written where everything was written.
• 1:50:47
  Camera zooms into Jim's face because he clearly feels
• 1:50:50
  uncomfortable responding. To the question.
• 1:50:52
  And like first actors. But it was amazing.
• 1:50:54
  By the way, the big you know, you know, by the way.
• 1:50:56
  And everyone says, Oh, well, comedy, it's hard to do it that
• 1:50:58
  way. The big, you know, everyone, you
• 1:51:01
  don't think about the big my favorite movie of all time.
• 1:51:03
  OK Do you know that every single, you know, every single
• 1:51:07
  word to the word, they were asked like, did you ad Lib?
• 1:51:10
  Because they all feel so natural.
• 1:51:12
  It sounds natural. It's amazing.
• 1:51:15
  Every word was written. And they and they emphasized
• 1:51:18
  that you do it that way. Yeah.
• 1:51:19
  And they did. There was not one word of that
• 1:51:22
  that wasn't written. They're also directors, for
• 1:51:24
  example. No, that.
• 1:51:25
  No. But then kind of Doug Allen.
• 1:51:27
  Yeah, Doug Allen talks about there's an answer where he goes
• 1:51:30
  I want one take where it's because Doug Allen wrote the
• 1:51:33
  show Entourage, and he was the writer and the creator.
• 1:51:36
  And so a lot of times you'd be like, I want one take my way.
• 1:51:40
  And then you could do however many takes you want, as many
• 1:51:42
  different ways as you want. But I want to just see my my
• 1:51:45
  script come to life and then if yours is better.
• 1:51:47
  I'll put yours in. Yeah, because if you're, you
• 1:51:49
  know, if you have a better idea and your and your and your
• 1:51:52
  interpretation of the scene is better, then I'll definitely go
• 1:51:55
  for it. And but like he'll take 4-5 and
• 1:51:58
  like, and that's that's an interesting thing because a lot
• 1:51:59
  of times people say fire the next day, Dude, I was ready to
• 1:52:08
  defend a final like he's he's actually cooking with this
• 1:52:11
  point. I love creativity.
• 1:52:13
  I love creating funny content. But then you came out with a
• 1:52:16
  really funny comment, dude, fire the next day.
• 1:52:19
  And that was good. Dude.
• 1:52:21
  Are you still writing? What are you still writing?
• 1:52:24
  I'm not. I don't do a good writer.
• 1:52:27
  No. You want to do stand up writing,
• 1:52:28
  dude, Stand up. Yeah.
• 1:52:30
  I don't know that I'm. I don't know.
• 1:52:32
  I thought you meant free creative writing.
• 1:52:34
  I with stand up. I have a great bit I'm trying to
• 1:52:37
  work through now. Let's hear it was.
• 1:52:39
  Oh, don't do it in. Kernel open.
• 1:52:43
  Mic about how like the government is so like we control
• 1:52:46
  Oh, you're ready to start the government.
• 1:52:48
  This kid got an ass dude. Like we think about it every
• 1:52:52
  part of like the road, every part of government.
• 1:52:56
  It starts with like broadly speaking.
• 1:52:58
  Then you talk about the road, like do you understand how many
• 1:53:01
  Rd. rules there are? Like you, there's like you
• 1:53:04
  can't, you can't like left turn, like dotted line, there's
• 1:53:09
  straight line. And then out of nowhere, out of
• 1:53:11
  nowhere, we just created the, the roundabout.
• 1:53:17
  Just like just merge A4 lane roundabout, just merge and just
• 1:53:22
  like just pray to God it works and it's like.
• 1:53:24
  Perfected like a motherfucker. Good, good premise.
• 1:53:28
  Good premise, dude. But like, it's such a crazy
• 1:53:30
  concept on the road. We're just like everyone train
• 1:53:33
  in the circle and just go the eggs that you want.
• 1:53:35
  Like, I don't know. I love it.
• 1:53:37
  Yeah, I love it. I like the I like the bit also
• 1:53:40
  about being I think someone could do a really good job with
• 1:53:43
  with forget, with forgetting what it's like to be in the car
• 1:53:46
  versus being a pedestrian. You're like, you're a
• 1:53:49
  pedestrian. You're always pissed off at the
• 1:53:51
  view on the cars. When you're in the gum, you
• 1:53:53
  immediately forget. Fuck you asshole, already
• 1:53:57
  walking on the street. You're like, you're like, dude,
• 1:54:00
  I have to be turning. It's my light.
• 1:54:03
  I'm walking like that's very good.
• 1:54:06
  A little piece. Someone spit on my windshield
• 1:54:08
  one time. Dude, I was in I I'll tell you
• 1:54:13
  exactly where I was. I was on 100th and Columbus.
• 1:54:17
  I was making the right turn to head South on the Upper West
• 1:54:22
  Side. I, I was either living or
• 1:54:25
  visiting. I lived in an apartment building
• 1:54:28
  97th in Columbus, OK and I made the less than 100th and it was
• 1:54:34
  the people's light. Like you know what I get is The
• 1:54:36
  Walking light. Seasons, right?
• 1:54:38
  Not seasons. Whole Foods, the Whole Foods,
• 1:54:41
  the Whole Foods. Next 90. 4th Alright.
• 1:54:44
  No, the Whole Foods. Yeah, Whole Foods next to your
• 1:54:46
  moms house. And and so it had like the
• 1:54:55
  people crossing sign with the sign with the top sign.
• 1:54:58
  And this guy was crossing and I was inching forward while he was
• 1:55:02
  walking and he felt the guy that I guess inched forward into his
• 1:55:06
  personal space and took creative liberties of spitting on my
• 1:55:09
  windshield and. Telling me to go.
• 1:55:10
  Fuck myself and I was like, well, I could just spray that
• 1:55:14
  right off. But also he was so dude, I think
• 1:55:19
  cities are bad for people. Also, I wanted to say this since
• 1:55:24
  I texted you earlier today about the podcast.
• 1:55:26
  Dude, the rest of New York has to be a different state than the
• 1:55:28
  suburbs. What do you mean?
• 1:55:31
  Like I think the boroughs have to be 1 state and I think that
• 1:55:34
  anything north of like Rockland has to be its own state.
• 1:55:38
  And I bet that New York would be such a better place to live like
• 1:55:41
  the rest of New York. NY bro, all here is upstate New
• 1:55:43
  York and the city. That's it in Brooklyn.
• 1:55:47
  Think about how. Different OK upstate New York
• 1:55:49
  isn't here. I'm not from from from that
• 1:55:51
  crazy upstate New York is Rockland.
• 1:55:54
  You're. From.
• 1:55:55
  Binghamton, Buffalo here. Binghamton, Buffalo, Rochester,
• 1:55:59
  Finger Lakes. Jack Rondex.
• 1:56:02
  Those. People do not.
• 1:56:04
  Those are all. Part of New York.
• 1:56:05
  Those people do not all belong to the same political decision
• 1:56:10
  making as the 17 year olds in Manhattan or the 23 year olds
• 1:56:15
  in. Manhattan.
• 1:56:15
  But The thing is, the population of Manhattan equals the
• 1:56:17
  population. Yeah, of all those things, it
• 1:56:19
  exceeds it. That's the point.
• 1:56:21
  And those people do not have, I think that city, how many people
• 1:56:24
  live in New York City? That's wild.
• 1:56:27
  Millions. But by the way, it it moves, I
• 1:56:29
  mean, I grew up here. I I don't like that kind of
• 1:56:32
  movement. It's not natural to me, but.
• 1:56:34
  But I didn't grow up with it. But it's, you know.
• 1:56:37
  Oh, yeah. Dude, let's see another one.
• 1:56:39
  We'll call it the I don't know, the fish, the tequila bottle.
• 1:56:41
  Yeah, let's do it. That's the.
• 1:56:43
  I don't. I grew up here.
• 1:56:45
  I love it. I do love.
• 1:56:46
  But you. But you said you grew up really
• 1:56:48
  up to date all the summer, right?
• 1:56:49
  Yeah. Summers.
• 1:56:50
  Half the summer I was homeschooled, so half the summer
• 1:56:52
  I'd spent up seeing dude. Half a year.
• 1:56:55
  I mean, half the year. I want to.
• 1:56:56
  I want to homeschool my kids, dude. 8.5 billion 8.5 billion
• 1:57:01
  people in New York City. That's crazy, I think over 350
• 1:57:04
  languages spoken daily. Wait, can I 300 and?
• 1:57:07
  50 million people are in the. USI want to homeschool my kids.
• 1:57:10
  That's really crazy. Did your parents have to do a
• 1:57:12
  lot of work to homeschool you? I so I loved my experience
• 1:57:17
  homeschooling. I think one of the advantages
• 1:57:21
  your mom. Did you have that one?
• 1:57:23
  Your mom's. He left a lot of stuff at your
• 1:57:26
  mom's. Yeah, it's a yayo.
• 1:57:30
  You have to eat the tequila with a with.
• 1:57:32
  The line with it. I do do.
• 1:57:33
  This guy chews on the line like an ape.
• 1:57:36
  Yeah. What are you saying?
• 1:57:37
  Do you not need a line? Do you think I need?
• 1:57:38
  No, dude, I don't need a lime. It's good.
• 1:57:40
  Tequila. Tastes good.
• 1:57:43
  What He Hein, Hein. Dude, do you think?
• 1:57:46
  Do you think I could homeschool my kids?
• 1:57:48
  No. What do you think I could my
• 1:57:51
  kids? Well, let me do the shower
• 1:57:53
  quick. How'd you came again?
• 1:57:56
  It kills me he's just shooting the fry dude.
• 1:58:00
  You could definitely educate them.
• 1:58:02
  But dude, my kids don't like you.
• 1:58:04
  Can I tell you what I I don't want to.
• 1:58:06
  Think. The only I'll say the only tell
• 1:58:09
  me you think the prep my prep first of all, I think that was
• 1:58:13
  in the Hebrew school or yeshiva half the day and.
• 1:58:16
  There you go. Right.
• 1:58:17
  I think that the classroom setting does not encourage
• 1:58:22
  what's going to be required to succeed.
• 1:58:25
  And even five years from now, totally.
• 1:58:28
  And I don't think that my kids will have, and I don't think my
• 1:58:32
  kid will benefit being a bottle of seltzer.
• 1:58:35
  Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding.
• 1:58:37
  I don't think my kid will benefit from being in a
• 1:58:39
  classroom with 12 other kids learning Mr. Grossman's.
• 1:58:47
  That's wow. OK, Doctor Brown.
• 1:58:49
  Doctor Brown. Whatever it is, right?
• 1:58:52
  I love you Doctor Brown. I, I I think that if I taught my
• 1:58:57
  kid literally how to listen to I know this sounds crazy, but I
• 1:59:03
  don't think it is right. David Draymond's Heavy Metal
• 1:59:06
  Disturbed No, I think that if you got your kid to listen to
• 1:59:11
  particular either master classes, podcasts, YouTube
• 1:59:15
  channels on, on on various topics that equal English,
• 1:59:20
  history, math, science, and then you encourage them to spend half
• 1:59:25
  their day pursuing something that that's creative on their
• 1:59:28
  own time in their own way. So can it.
• 1:59:30
  So that's what I did. That's what we did.
• 1:59:33
  Yeah. And do you think that was, do
• 1:59:34
  you think that was awesome? I can't remember the name of the
• 1:59:36
  guy that came up with that, but that's a, it's a specific kind
• 1:59:39
  of home school. And it's, it's, it's like, so I
• 1:59:44
  used, we first tried a few programs at work and then my
• 1:59:47
  parents decided the clown layer, Compuhy clown layer.
• 1:59:52
  And then they use complex to supplement stuff that you can't
• 1:59:56
  like algebra, you can't teach yourself, But so you use like
• 1:59:59
  courses. There were two of those,
• 2:00:01
  environmental science and algebra.
• 2:00:02
  There's the only, there's the only courses that ever took.
• 2:00:05
  Everything else was what you said.
• 2:00:07
  So 300 hours of American history in like.
• 2:00:10
  My whole education, yeah. So you do it.
• 2:00:12
  You and you prove it. You did it.
• 2:00:15
  But it's so much fun, too. Like, the way you teach it could
• 2:00:17
  be enjoyable. I mean, you could be like, make
• 2:00:20
  like a project explaining the Civil War.
• 2:00:23
  It's exactly what? So you would have to like create
• 2:00:27
  information, then your parents would have to like, positively
• 2:00:30
  reinforced. Yeah, of course.
• 2:00:31
  Like at one point I. How involved are your parents in
• 2:00:34
  your education? So my mom up until high school
• 2:00:37
  age, I started high school at 13.
• 2:00:39
  I finished at 16. Nice.
• 2:00:41
  It was great. We did you go at 1616?
• 2:00:44
  I went to to Community College courses for two years in the
• 2:00:48
  summer. So you got an associate at 16?
• 2:00:51
  At 16, I started at Wolfson campus.
• 2:00:53
  So at 13, I started taking Community College courses at 16.
• 2:00:57
  Really. How old are you?
• 2:00:58
  I didn't know what I was, what I was supposed to do all day.
• 2:01:01
  I look over TV's and like fast. He's grabbing some shit out.
• 2:01:09
  No, I don't need to talk about it.
• 2:01:10
  Let's just about something fun, dude.
• 2:01:13
  I think I know, but I want to. I'm down to laugh too.
• 2:01:17
  I want to do something like. I don't want to.
• 2:01:20
  First of all, I don't want to spend $100,000 a kid.
• 2:01:23
  Yeah, See what you should do. The answer is second of all, I
• 2:01:25
  think I can teach my my kids are better in college classes for in
• 2:01:31
  the summer only. And then I would just do like
• 2:01:33
  classic. Were they hard?
• 2:01:34
  No, no, no. The the the hardest one was bio,
• 2:01:39
  but it wasn't hard. It was bored.
• 2:01:41
  It just wasn't my topic. The at 16, I started college.
• 2:01:45
  At 20, I was done. Four years later, I was done.
• 2:01:47
  I started law school at 21. By 24, I was done in law school.
• 2:01:52
  It didn't seem it's awesome. It didn't seem like it was later
• 2:01:57
  that I like, it didn't seem unique to me, only ironically,
• 2:02:01
  because my sister did everything, like way more
• 2:02:05
  efficiently than me. So is she younger than you?
• 2:02:08
  Older. Older than you?
• 2:02:09
  Yeah. But she did like, she she was
• 2:02:11
  like older sister, dude. She was.
• 2:02:13
  That's the most underrated thing in the entire world.
• 2:02:15
  She was done. She was done with her masters.
• 2:02:17
  She she was like in the family. She was a practicing
• 2:02:20
  psychologist by 21. No way.
• 2:02:23
  Yeah, like fully done working. Like she's kick ass.
• 2:02:27
  But your sister. Yeah, but.
• 2:02:29
  And she to this day. Where did she live?
• 2:02:31
  My beach. Really.
• 2:02:33
  Yeah, Good for her. Yeah, she's amazing.
• 2:02:35
  But. But I'm saying like, it didn't
• 2:02:36
  it wasn't like it wasn't that I was.
• 2:02:38
  It's so I I wasn't smart. I wasn't like, uniquely.
• 2:02:43
  You're smart, dude. No, but I wasn't uniquely smart.
• 2:02:45
  I was just like home. To your point, homeschooling
• 2:02:48
  encourages earlier. Earlier, like, like, there's no
• 2:02:54
  reason why you can't be finished with high school by 16.
• 2:02:57
  Yeah, there's no reason. Yeah.
• 2:02:59
  And so I did it. So yeah.
• 2:03:03
  That's awesome. The one problem is no, this
• 2:03:06
  social media wasn't a problem. It wasn't a problem.
• 2:03:08
  Thank God my family did. My family wasn't.
• 2:03:10
  Like, it's so funny. It's just my family wasn't
• 2:03:20
  against for the people, for the whatever, whoever's listening,
• 2:03:24
  someone just left the room. Yeah, my family wasn't.
• 2:03:28
  Again, it was like there was a lot of people I knew who were
• 2:03:31
  homeschoolers when I was like 1011 years old, I went to
• 2:03:33
  homeschool conventions and there were a lot of Christian people
• 2:03:37
  that were keeping their kids home because they didn't want
• 2:03:40
  them. Like to hear the devil's word.
• 2:03:43
  OK, gotcha. They're crazy people.
• 2:03:45
  So if you're not homeschooling to, like keep your kid away from
• 2:03:49
  bad influences, which is a problem because then you'll like
• 2:03:51
  jurymen how they act. Yeah, of course.
• 2:03:54
  And it will be crazy. Yeah, of course.
• 2:03:55
  If you're like encouraging your kids to like go out and like
• 2:03:58
  crush it and see the world and talk to people, then you have no
• 2:04:03
  problem. And especially if you guys, I
• 2:04:04
  don't want to do religious and you go to shul like I had I had
• 2:04:07
  tons of friends from synagogue from shul and it was it wasn't
• 2:04:12
  that's what I want to do, dude, everyone looking out of my mind
• 2:04:15
  and I'm like, it doesn't make any sense to send my kids to
• 2:04:17
  these places. It seems so obvious.
• 2:04:19
  And also I'm there was only like, my dude, I'm a teacher.
• 2:04:22
  I'm like my mom taught for 10 years.
• 2:04:24
  No, she knew shit. Mom taught for 10 years.
• 2:04:26
  She's like, I don't want my kids in this.
• 2:04:28
  They don't know shit, dude. I don't want, I don't want my
• 2:04:30
  kids learning in these stupid schools and public school,
• 2:04:35
  private school, X amount of dollars a year.
• 2:04:38
  It doesn't matter. I I think I loved my upbringing
• 2:04:41
  and I gotta tell you that it is a real it's a real risk.
• 2:04:44
  Listen, you, you know me. It's it's so fortunately I'm,
• 2:04:49
  I'm very, I'm very comfortable and very well-rounded.
• 2:04:54
  I'm very comfortable with my own skin.
• 2:04:55
  But like, there's so many people.
• 2:04:57
  Ludicrous. Yeah, who are so uncomfortable
• 2:05:01
  or so sad and so of course, by the way, but that's why I think
• 2:05:04
  so. The Jewish education, yes, in my
• 2:05:06
  opinion, yes, Has that place where like, yeah, you send your
• 2:05:09
  kid. I think that between the fact of
• 2:05:12
  me probably and I think for one for for better, for worse,
• 2:05:18
  pushing my kids to pursue a passion, whether it be a sport
• 2:05:21
  or an art or an instrument or whatever that encouraged them to
• 2:05:26
  like have group activity and like to be with other human
• 2:05:28
  beings as well. Yeah.
• 2:05:29
  And religious life and going to synagogue.
• 2:05:32
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:05:32
  And all that. That's I think by the time I
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  started talking about the four classes of science, history,
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  math and English, I'll be like, who gives a shit?
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  It's not complicated. No, that's tough the most more.
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  And listen, I remember thinking it at a certain point point like
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  I remember thinking it was, it's really important that that I in
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  social that I talked to people and socialized.
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  I must been like 10 years old and I knew it and it was and I
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  loved talking to people. I loved.
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  It wasn't it wasn't a problem for me.
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  Thank God it wasn't a problem, but I just so many people that
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  it was a problem for there's there's people.
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  If you're homeschooled and I know and you and you don't take
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  it, it's on you. But I parent your parents can't
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  do it for you. Like Oh, yeah, no, you can't.
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  You can't like shove your kid in front of you.
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  You, you have to. That's a scary thought, by the
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  way. It's a scary I'm that's a scary
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  thought. That's one thing for my kid.
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  You your kid has to just like you want to be able to do it for
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  your kid. I know, I I know.
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  Dude, turn that shit off. Is it, is it the CEO?
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  What do you got? If ACEO can run a company, raise
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  3 kids and take a concert with a woman he's having a fan with,
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  you've got time to go for a run. Dude.
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  I think we're doing the podcast. Is that man?
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  Yeah, it's good. I'm calling out here, man.
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  Goodnight everyone. Love you all.
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  Goodnight.