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Tigers spring training stock report: Who's up? Who's down? · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory. Foul Territory Network,
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Speaker 1: Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Karen Seckley with me as always
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Speaker 1: a man that believes ties along with suits and not ballgames.
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Speaker 1: He's Coday Savinaggan.
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Speaker 2: How you doing, Hey? Doing all right? I agree with that.
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Speaker 2: I think I don't know. I don't want X trainings
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Speaker 2: in spring training, but ties come on ties.
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Speaker 1: Really, there's there's probably some way that they could have
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Speaker 1: an official winner. In fact, I think the Tigers have
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Speaker 1: was it two five and three? I'm not really tracking
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Speaker 1: the record that that closely, but I believe they have
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Speaker 1: more ties than wins, so.
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Speaker 2: There's a killer instinct.
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Speaker 3: We appreciate all of you.
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Speaker 1: Uh really, it's pretty simple here what we're gonna talk about.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna do stock up and stock down report on
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Speaker 1: several Tigers. But the important thing to note, Cody is
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Speaker 1: that in twenty twenty six spring training, the world belongs
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Speaker 1: to Kevin McGonagall.
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Speaker 3: Like that's it.
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Speaker 1: Like Kevin McGonagall, Like for all the all right, yeah
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Speaker 1: it's spring training or yeah it's the competition, and you
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Speaker 1: know whatever, I'm not sure we could possibly have gotten
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Speaker 1: like a better like result that matched the hype coming
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Speaker 1: in for Kevin McGonagall. And I think and I actually think, like, look,
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Speaker 1: whether we'll talk about, you know, to make the team
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Speaker 1: aspect of it here in a second, but if nothing else,
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Speaker 1: I actually do believe that is important. And obviously a
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Speaker 1: really good sign is that, like there, if you were
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Speaker 1: like which I don't think there were very many, if
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Speaker 1: you were like somewhat of a skeptic of Kevin McGonagall,
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Speaker 1: you don't have any evidence based on spring training, like
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Speaker 1: like you're just like taking l's left and right, and
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Speaker 1: and even today, like you know, we're recording this Sunday afternoon,
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Speaker 1: after the latest Tigers tie, Kevin McGonagall is looking like
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Speaker 1: a capable shortstop. I'm trying to use my words like
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Speaker 1: carefully here, like I'm not trying to overrate stuff, but
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Speaker 1: he's looking like a capable shortstop, which if you have
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Speaker 1: the bat profile of McGonagall, capable shortstop is you know,
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Speaker 1: quite doable to say the least. So anyway, he's had
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Speaker 1: a big week. You know, we can throw some stats
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Speaker 1: in spring training. He's batting four sixty two. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if you think that's a good thing or not. Uh,
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Speaker 1: he's got a two twenty six WRC plus he had
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Speaker 1: two uh and we have a more information here, a
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Speaker 1: graphic on our on our YouTube, UH to one hundred
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Speaker 1: and seven plus basically one hundred and eight mile per
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Speaker 1: hour hits in the same inning.
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, look, look like.
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Speaker 1: Whatever happens from here on out in terms of roster stuff,
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Speaker 1: the dude came ready to go.
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Speaker 3: And I think he at.
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Speaker 1: Least I think that is at least like something that
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Speaker 1: we ought to spend a little bit of time.
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Speaker 3: One. In terms of the Ken McGonagall story.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we talked a loud camp. Could he
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Speaker 2: have a loud camp? Could he push his way onto
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Speaker 2: this team? We don't really know the answers to can
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Speaker 2: he push his way onto this team? But if you
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Speaker 2: want to know what that process looks like, he's he's
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Speaker 2: kind of doing it right now. And it's very easy
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Speaker 2: to be fooled by spring training results and batting average
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Speaker 2: and all that. I would just say the esthetic of
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Speaker 2: Kevin McGonagall at the plate passes every test. The exit
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Speaker 2: velocities prove it. The way he manages his at bats
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Speaker 2: using the whole field like has been incredibly impressive shortstop.
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Speaker 2: I would like to see him test it a little
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Speaker 2: bit more, just like range wise, going to backhand side
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Speaker 2: things like that. But we did see him in some
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Speaker 2: different situations Sunday. The double plays made a nice play
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Speaker 2: on a slow roller. Like the quick hands. The quick
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Speaker 2: exchange is a real thing that I think might help
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Speaker 2: make up for probably not elite range. You know, aj
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Speaker 2: Hinch talks about his baseball timing and it is really good.
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Speaker 2: I think some of the little things pre pitch, which
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Speaker 2: they already kind of dove into it. After the first
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Speaker 2: spring training game, he was landing a little bit late
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Speaker 2: on his pre pitch set up, and that's really important
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Speaker 2: because he might not have this elite range, but if
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Speaker 2: he does all the little things right, which he generally does,
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Speaker 2: he can kind of find ways to make up for that.
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Speaker 2: So he has good instincts in that regard in the
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Speaker 2: first place. Working with the major league staff, they're already
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Speaker 2: diving into some little things to help get them even better.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure exactly what that's gonna mean. But man,
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Speaker 2: it is very hard to not be impressed by Kevin
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Speaker 2: McGonagall right now.
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Speaker 3: Well, look the.
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Speaker 1: Like the phrasing that you know, us on the outside use,
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Speaker 1: and then I think he also kind of alluded to
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Speaker 1: it is like, you know, put pressure on the front
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Speaker 1: office and the coaching staff to say no essentially in
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Speaker 1: terms of him breaking with the team. I like, you know,
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Speaker 1: like I live in two different spaces with Kevin McGonagall
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Speaker 1: where it's like, I don't know how given that he's
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Speaker 1: done everything you've asked, Like there's a certain element of fairness.
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Speaker 1: Isn't quite what I mean, but there's a certain level
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Speaker 1: of like he's done everything you've asked of him. He
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Speaker 1: has shown the ability to be one of your top
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Speaker 1: you know, a top nine hitter, like you know, one
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Speaker 1: through nine, and the defense is fine, you know, we'll
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Speaker 1: see I guess, but like like he like he deserves.
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Speaker 1: We don't really like deserve is not necessarily always like
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Speaker 1: the way it goes, but he kind of deserves to
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Speaker 1: be on this team. Uh. But I just the other
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Speaker 1: side my brain is like I just don't I don't
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Speaker 1: see it.
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Speaker 3: It would it would it would.
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Speaker 1: Be a and I don't even think I don't even
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Speaker 1: care about the service time element. I saw somebody kind
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Speaker 1: of suggesting that on X, and I don't think that's
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Speaker 1: a uh really at play here. I could be wrong,
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Speaker 1: but that doesn't enter my mind into the calculus. I
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Speaker 1: just think the Tigers tend to be meticulous with their
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Speaker 1: process and it would be quite an outlier to skip
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Speaker 1: a whole level of play, obviously being triple A, and
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Speaker 1: he's so young. I just it's hard for me to
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Speaker 1: get there from a logic standpoint.
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Speaker 3: Emotionally I'm there.
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Speaker 1: Emotionally I'm all the way there, but logically I just
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Speaker 1: don't see it. And so I'm wondering, Cody, which one
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Speaker 1: is more right, and not necessarily like right now, not
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Speaker 1: like for a prediction, but like right now, which one
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Speaker 1: is more right?
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Speaker 3: Because I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still kind of airing on the conservative side
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Speaker 2: here that Kevin McGonagall will start in triple A. I
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Speaker 2: don't know that I have a super high degree of
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Speaker 2: confidence in that, just because he is answering so many
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Speaker 2: questions and checking so many boxes right now. But in
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Speaker 2: a way that almost shows me like Scott Harris might
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Speaker 2: be watching that and thinking, oh, this guy's legit, this
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Speaker 2: is our future. So it almost reinforces the fact that
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Speaker 2: they are going to handle him very cautiously. That they
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Speaker 2: are going to handle him. Maybe responsibly is a better
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Speaker 2: word than cautious. Take their time, get them some AB's
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Speaker 2: and triple A, let them get tested. Even though this
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Speaker 2: is spring training, he has faced some major league arms.
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Speaker 2: It's a little different than facing guys who are, you know,
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Speaker 2: sure thing big league starters every single day. It's still
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Speaker 2: a different beast. The playing, the travel, the day after day,
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Speaker 2: the day game after night game, all those things are
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Speaker 2: more heightened in the major leagues. It's tougher. Is Kevin
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Speaker 2: mcgonaga go one of your best nine or best thirteen
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Speaker 2: hitters right now? He sure looks like it, you know,
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Speaker 2: and it's kind of hard to argue against that. But
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Speaker 2: does that mean he's on the opening day roster. I'm
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Speaker 2: not sure it does. And spring training is long too,
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Speaker 2: so if he continues to hit above four hundred through
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Speaker 2: all of camp, there was in a little extra power,
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Speaker 2: like I don't know, maybe it does get to a
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Speaker 2: point where it's just too good to deny, But for
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Speaker 2: right now, I'm staying on the conservative side of that line.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right.
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Speaker 1: And I also, you know, look at the big picture,
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Speaker 1: like it's okay if he goes to Toledo for you
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Speaker 1: know whatever, three weeks, a month, you know whatever, Like
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Speaker 1: the Tigers in theory should be okay, and then him
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Speaker 1: long term, you know, should be okay. But like it's
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Speaker 1: hard not to just recognize, you know, our eyes are
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Speaker 1: not lying to us, Like there is some context that's important,
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Speaker 1: but our eyes are not lying to us. He looks
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Speaker 1: like a major league baseball player right now. Random little
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Speaker 1: quick topic here, Cody. I did not prep you for this,
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Speaker 1: so I apologize in advance. But I had a thought
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Speaker 1: today as I was watching and listening to the game.
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Speaker 1: Are they wearing the alternative jerseys a little bit too
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Speaker 1: much in spring training? Yes, because it feels like it's
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Speaker 1: it's supposed to be a special kind of new look,
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Speaker 1: fresh thing.
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Speaker 3: Now they're just basically they're the.
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Speaker 1: Spring jersey jerseys right now, and I just don't want
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Speaker 1: that to be like looped together, so they wait them
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Speaker 1: too much? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I think so. I think there might be some rule
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Speaker 2: where you can only have a set amount of jerseys,
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Speaker 2: and the spring training jerseys count as one of those.
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Speaker 2: So maybe they've been like phased out. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I think if that's a rule, that's a stupid rule.
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Speaker 2: They should get rid of it. I think it's very
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Speaker 2: Tigers in that, like they do something nice, they do
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Speaker 2: something good, and it's like almost over like like overdoing it.
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Speaker 2: I feel like they do that in different aspects of
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Speaker 2: the organization. I don't I don't really know why you
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Speaker 2: release the jerseys. The reception was pretty positive. They look nice,
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Speaker 2: but a lot of people are buying them. You do
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Speaker 2: want them to maintain some level of a special feel.
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Speaker 2: And now it's just like all right, you're you know,
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Speaker 2: they're they're gonna feel old again by by the time
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Speaker 2: they're worn in the major in the major league season.
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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, No, I mean it's just like, you know,
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Speaker 1: these images like the Kevin McGonagall and a Tiger's uniform
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Speaker 1: images for like the history of mankind or his the
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Speaker 1: rest of Mankind is gonna be including these jerseys, but
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be like in spring training, so like in
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Speaker 1: fifty years might be like, are those the spring training jerseys?
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Speaker 1: You know you look at the yeah, when you when
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Speaker 1: you're when you're looking back at Kevin mcgonagall's Hall of
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Speaker 1: Fame career. You're gonna be like, assuming they're they're spring
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Speaker 1: training Jersey. So it's just, you know, just just just
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Speaker 1: a thought I had. So I'm glad we're on this.
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Speaker 1: We're on the same page there. Uh all right, let's
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Speaker 1: get to speaking of unique like one of the more
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Speaker 1: unique aspects of this spring training is obviously the World
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Speaker 1: Baseball Classic. And by the way, every uh, all of
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Speaker 1: our coverage of the World Baseball Classes, which there will
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Speaker 1: be plenty, is brought to you by our friends of
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Speaker 1: Fox One. Uh. The Tigers are going to play a
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Speaker 1: game in the Dominican Republic. You will be there a
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Speaker 1: couple of games, actually, including against the Dominican Republic World
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Speaker 1: Baseball Classic team, and we have the roster for that.
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Speaker 1: So I was gonna read that off real quick and
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Speaker 1: then throw it to you, Cody about what you're kind
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Speaker 1: of looking forward to.
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Speaker 3: So bear with me for a second.
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Speaker 1: Everybody got fifteen Pitcherscot f Rost, Shawn Gunther, Brendan handfee Brand, Hurder,
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Speaker 1: Ty Madden, Tyler, Matt Madison, Connor Pinkington, Bryan Sammons, Matt Singler,
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Speaker 1: Burch Smith, Dylan Smith, Cole Waits, Carlos Penya, Johann Simon
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Speaker 1: and Tanner col heep catchers Brasenio, Lorenzo Rogers and Bennett Lee.
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Speaker 1: And then infielders Hobby Bias, Cole, Keith, Kevin mcgonagall's at McKinstry,
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Speaker 1: John Peck, Spencer, Torklsen, Chris Meyers, Jack Penny, Gage Workman,
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Speaker 1: and then the outfield Max Clark, Riley Green, Corey Jolkes,
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Speaker 1: Ben Muljerry Wentzel, Perez, Seth Stevenson, and Woody Hayden. So
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Speaker 1: pretty h I would say, a pretty pretty solid like
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Speaker 1: line up there, Like in terms of like if you're
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Speaker 1: looking forward to watching it, like, you get a lot there,
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Speaker 1: you get you know mcgonagall's, you get the stars, and
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Speaker 1: you get some interesting pitchers.
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Speaker 3: So anyway you're gonn be there.
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Speaker 1: What are you looking forward to to, like seeing you know,
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Speaker 1: this kind of unique event?
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Speaker 2: I think just the atmosphere, right. You hear all the
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Speaker 2: time about how good the the atmosphere is in the
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Speaker 2: Caribbean Series and Latin American baseball in general. This will
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Speaker 2: be my first time in the DR, first time in
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Speaker 2: an event like that. I think people are really excited
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Speaker 2: about the Dominican national team. So just seeing some of
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Speaker 2: the stars that will be there, I think is probably
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Speaker 2: the most exciting thing from a Tiger's perspective. You know,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, They're they're bringing some good position players,
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Speaker 2: they are not bringing premium pitchers. They're bringing some names
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Speaker 2: that that you and others struggle to pronounce, which is understandable.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know that I'm I don't know, like,
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Speaker 2: I don't think there's one thing I'm locking in on
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Speaker 2: an other than just the atmosphere. I think it'll be
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Speaker 2: fun for guys, It'll be meaningful for Wincel Perez and
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Speaker 2: and others from that country. From Bravaldez is not pitching,
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Speaker 2: but will make the trip just to just to kind
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Speaker 2: of be there. So I think that's all good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, like I think if we had
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Speaker 1: ajax on, he would probably say, like you know this,
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Speaker 1: you know, like the competition aspect would get him fired
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Speaker 1: up to go up against like, you know, go up
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Speaker 1: against a national team, like you know, that's obviously gonna
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Speaker 1: feel feel different than you know, playing in Lakeland. You know,
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Speaker 1: it just is so like seeing seeing the guys kind
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Speaker 1: of respond, like I'm I'm telling you right now, I'm
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Speaker 1: already prepared to like if McGonagall hits like a three
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Speaker 1: run home run, Like I'm just telling you, there's gonna
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Speaker 1: be an overreaction on this podcast, you know, the next day.
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Speaker 2: So Hobby bay is I think Hobby is gonna show out.
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Speaker 2: It seems like something Hobby's made for Hobby.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is.
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Speaker 1: If Hobby was not on this ruster, he would have
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Speaker 1: just flown himself to go over there and uh and
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Speaker 1: playing the game sort of Wesley Snipe style in UH
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Speaker 1: in Major League.
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Speaker 2: And probably wishes he was with Team Puerto Rico and
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Speaker 2: he's not, which might might fuel his his motivation to
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Speaker 2: show out in the dr for a couple of days.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you know, Hobby loves the moments, right
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Speaker 1: so so anyway, yeah, I think it's it's a fun
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Speaker 1: thing that the Tigers get to do. And and yeah,
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Speaker 1: and aj Hinch obviously like he knows how to read
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Speaker 1: the room, like, you know, putting this this group together,
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Speaker 1: like you know, he made sure to include guys that
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Speaker 1: it was gonna you know, get a lot of meaning
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Speaker 1: from So shout out to the Tigers for doing this
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Speaker 1: the right way. All right, let's get to the meat
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Speaker 1: of this podcast, Cody, And that's a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a stock report. As we are into March now and
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Speaker 1: spring training is is is heating up with again some
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Speaker 1: more important games. Some more guys are gonna get opportunities
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Speaker 1: because of you know, World Baseball Classic obligations and and
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Speaker 1: all that stuff. And obviously the number one name for
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Speaker 1: stock up is Ken McGonagall. We already talked about him,
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Speaker 1: but Kevin McGonagall could not The stock could not be
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Speaker 1: more up for Kevin McGonagall, So I had to give
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Speaker 1: that a.
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Speaker 3: Mention and then stuck down.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Uh we mentioned this a little bit last time
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Speaker 1: we were on. But Troy Melton obviously he hasn't not
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Speaker 1: like he played.
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Speaker 3: Portly pitch poorly.
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Speaker 1: He's hurt and those things, you know, they they tend
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Speaker 1: to go a little bit optimistic when they talk about it.
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Speaker 3: But it's hard.
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Speaker 1: For me to just you know, get me to the
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Speaker 1: diagnosis and then we'll see. But I don't know, man,
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Speaker 1: I can't help but be nervous about anything related to this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It was it was
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Speaker 2: general arms soreness. I think we've since learned that is
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Speaker 2: right elbow inflammation. Troy Melton talked to Chris mccoskey and
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Speaker 2: some others. I really don't know how much I can say,
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Speaker 2: he said, but I don't want to say it. But honestly,
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Speaker 2: I'm not too concerned about anything long term. Will know
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Speaker 2: more for sure in a couple of days or a week,
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Speaker 2: but I'm pretty positive for the time being. Not real
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Speaker 2: sure what to make of those comments. And they've heard
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Speaker 2: it before, right, Guys always say they're fine and sometimes
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Speaker 2: they end up not being fine. So yeah, I think
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Speaker 2: we got to fast forward this one to the actual diagnosis.
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Speaker 2: He's shut down from throwing right now. When you hear
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Speaker 2: elbow and not throwing, that is immediately concerning. And even
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Speaker 2: if let's say he ends up getting good news and
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Speaker 2: can resume a throwing program, this is something that will
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Speaker 2: kind of linger, at least in the back of my
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Speaker 2: mind for a while. Again, like managing pictures in this
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Speaker 2: day and age is so tough and they're just so
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Speaker 2: prone to to, you know, major arm injuries. I if
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Speaker 2: you guys recall I was worried last year in this
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Speaker 2: offseason about Troy Melton just because his usage was kind
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Speaker 2: of non conventional. You know, he was a starter and
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Speaker 2: then he went to the pin, but then he would
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Speaker 2: be used in some longer stints quite when he was
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Speaker 2: coming in. And I don't even know that I'm like
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Speaker 2: accusing the Tigers of doing something wrong there. I just
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Speaker 2: think anytime a pitcher's routine deviates, it's natural to get nervous.
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Speaker 2: And here we are already in the spring with a
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Speaker 2: young pitcher who's on the shelf with an elbow injury.
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Speaker 2: So we'll see what comes of it. Certainly concerning if
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Speaker 2: the Tigers aren't able to have Melton, it probably would
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Speaker 2: have started the year in Triple A. Definitely gonna start
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Speaker 2: the year in Triple A. Now's if he's healthy. It's
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Speaker 2: pretty exciting to think, oh, that could be your sixth guy,
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Speaker 2: that could be your next guy up, and just jeopardizing
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Speaker 2: that maybe even looking forward to twenty twenty seven. Those
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Speaker 2: aren't fun conversations to have. So we'll check back on
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Speaker 2: this again once we get more definitive word.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, you know, essentially the guy who you
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Speaker 1: know pushed him out of the starring rotation.
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Speaker 3: Justin Verlander.
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Speaker 1: Obviously has not pitched in a spring training game, but
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Speaker 1: he's getting a lot of work and he has to
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Speaker 1: be still be a stock up guy, because the reverence
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Speaker 1: in which people talk about Justin Verlanders still like it's
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Speaker 1: kind of funny, like, you know, we basically saw him
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Speaker 1: grow up if you're a Tigers fan and he goes
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Speaker 1: away for you know, several years and he comes back,
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Speaker 1: but there's still like a novelty to Justin Verland, and
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Speaker 1: I mean that is like, you know, I think that's
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Speaker 1: really cool that it's like, oh, look at the way
18:26
Speaker 1: he prepares and you know how he's doing these live
18:28
Speaker 1: vps and like all this stuff, like there's not that
18:31
Speaker 1: like approval ready and like near one hundred percent of
18:36
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent with Justin Berland right now, So
18:40
Speaker 1: hard not to say stock up there.
18:43
Speaker 2: It's stock up for the whole team. Just having him around,
18:45
Speaker 2: there's no doubt. I'm really fascinated because as much as
18:48
Speaker 2: we've talked about him, it's like a total wild card
18:51
Speaker 2: in terms of what his performance is going to be.
18:53
Speaker 2: I have zero idea what to expect. It could be
18:56
Speaker 2: anywhere on the spectrum from dominant to like unusable. I
19:01
Speaker 2: think the hope is that he's probably somewhere in that
19:03
Speaker 2: middle ground, right and he's solid but really no idea
19:07
Speaker 2: where to place actual expectations. We've talked about before. There's
19:10
Speaker 2: some signs the way you finished last year that he
19:12
Speaker 2: could be good, but you know, he's forty three, who knows.
19:15
Speaker 2: So I'm ready to see him getting some games and
19:17
Speaker 2: getting some live action, no doubt.
19:21
Speaker 3: All right, and stock Down, sorry to say.
19:25
Speaker 1: It, Trek Schooble, like you know, like, look, look, let's
19:31
Speaker 1: be honest, we're gonna do we talk about terrorf school.
19:34
Speaker 1: There's not very many times that we get to include
19:36
Speaker 1: him in some sort of negative categories. So when I
19:38
Speaker 1: have the chance, I'm going to take advantage of it.
19:41
Speaker 1: And he'll still be a front of the show after this,
19:44
Speaker 1: but you know, the optics of the World Baseball Classic thing,
19:47
Speaker 1: and then you know, he gave up two runs today,
19:49
Speaker 1: so stock Down, Trek Schooble, I won't be able to
19:51
Speaker 1: do this again, so I gotta take advantage.
19:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, if that's stock dips at all, I would be
19:56
Speaker 2: buying it. No, where's here, He'll be fine.
20:01
Speaker 1: Uh, let's go to you know, this is under the
20:05
Speaker 1: category of ask and you shall receive. I had mentioned
20:10
Speaker 1: that I wanted to see like a couple, Like, oh yeah,
20:13
Speaker 1: that's Matt Vierling like plays and we got him this week.
20:18
Speaker 1: You know, he's he seems like he is like, you know,
20:22
Speaker 1: not like great analysis here, but it looks like Matt
20:24
Speaker 1: vierlely like he looks like Maddy V. The player that
20:27
Speaker 1: we love, the player that's so useful. He's doing it,
20:30
Speaker 1: you know, doing at the plate and then you know,
20:32
Speaker 1: threw a guy out at home. I'm kind of like
20:35
Speaker 1: a you know, like I would say, like a heads
20:37
Speaker 1: he play and a great throw for you know, to
20:39
Speaker 1: to take advantage of the situation there. And so yeah,
20:42
Speaker 1: I mean, like like Maddy V. Easy to forget how
20:47
Speaker 1: valuable he was in twenty twenty four. And if you
20:49
Speaker 1: can get something like that, I think it really does
20:53
Speaker 1: change the complexion of this team.
20:54
Speaker 3: So suck up, Maddy V.
20:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you would said a couple episodes ago,
20:59
Speaker 2: like it'd be nice to have some feel good moments
21:00
Speaker 2: from some of these guys, even though it's just spring training,
21:03
Speaker 2: Like it'd be nice. And in terms of guys who
21:06
Speaker 2: are sure things on the major league roster, we still
21:08
Speaker 2: haven't had a ton of those. We've got a couple
21:10
Speaker 2: from Matt Vierling. We'll talk about Riley Green. We got
21:13
Speaker 2: some of that. So that was good to see. I
21:15
Speaker 2: think especially important for a guy like Vierling who missed
21:19
Speaker 2: so much time last year to get back in the
21:22
Speaker 2: swing of things. Look natural, look like himself, is encouraging.
21:26
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll see some moments from other guys as
21:28
Speaker 2: camp goes along, because you're you know, I was thinking
21:31
Speaker 2: about it more like you can't read too much into
21:33
Speaker 2: spring straining performance and all that, but especially after the
21:37
Speaker 2: way last year ended, I think I think you just
21:39
Speaker 2: want to have a good taste in your mouth. You
21:42
Speaker 2: want to see some of these guys look comfortable, look confident.
21:44
Speaker 2: So Matt Vierling's high on that list, and it's good
21:47
Speaker 2: to see him kind of check some of those boxes
21:49
Speaker 2: here early.
21:52
Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's let's go. Let's go with Max Clark. Like, look,
21:58
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about like the Max Clark situation.
22:01
Speaker 1: We had Austin's perspective on it, and like I'm obviously
22:06
Speaker 1: not in the you know, talk about selling I'm not
22:08
Speaker 1: selling any Max Clark stock.
22:11
Speaker 3: But when you have a.
22:12
Speaker 1: Game that where you essentially have two errors in the
22:16
Speaker 1: same ending in the outfield, and then all this kind
22:19
Speaker 1: of like Max clarky type conversations keep coming up. I
22:23
Speaker 1: just feel like you can't necessarily say it's a stock up,
22:26
Speaker 1: you know, so just you know, stock down from Max Clark,
22:29
Speaker 1: Like he hasn't like he you know, all those things
22:32
Speaker 1: we said about McGonagall, Like Max Clark is obviously doing
22:35
Speaker 1: like everything that's asked, but he hasn't had any like
22:38
Speaker 1: wow moments, and we know that he's capable of it.
22:41
Speaker 1: I'm sure there will be several by the time spring
22:44
Speaker 1: training is over. But he had like the worst ending
22:49
Speaker 1: of his professional career, I'm guessing, so you have to
22:52
Speaker 1: go stock down.
22:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, be nice to see Max have a kind of
22:56
Speaker 2: a big moment maybe to just erase the lingering memory
23:00
Speaker 2: of you know, a bad inning he had. Yeah, not
23:03
Speaker 2: really worried about it here, but it is just such
23:05
Speaker 2: an interesting like, if he's getting this much flak from
23:08
Speaker 2: the outside for something that happened in a spring training game,
23:12
Speaker 2: that is probably a preview of things to come in
23:15
Speaker 2: the Max Clark experience, for better or for worse. I
23:18
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be really interesting to follow, all right, you.
23:25
Speaker 1: Know, speaking of being yourself stock up Jack flaherity.
23:29
Speaker 2: For Jack and Max with the tweets man.
23:37
Speaker 1: In case you guys didn't see it and are listening
23:40
Speaker 1: instead of watching this episode. Jack Flaherty tweeted, you guys
23:43
Speaker 1: are so ridiculous, ridiculous. Sorry, I don't pitch well for
23:47
Speaker 1: you guys. These are all their own paragraphs. By the way,
23:50
Speaker 1: my bad for having some fun with a bad challenge.
23:53
Speaker 2: He was quote an Orioles fan, you know Flaerty's a
23:56
Speaker 2: couple of months with the Orioles where disasters stared down
24:01
Speaker 2: a prospect after a bad challenge. Whatever, guess find I
24:08
Speaker 2: think it probably wasn't in good fun in the moment.
24:10
Speaker 2: I think Jack probably was actually a little salty about it.
24:13
Speaker 2: But hey, he was right, So I think he can
24:17
Speaker 2: act that way if he wants, fine by me.
24:19
Speaker 1: Look, if you want to come swim with the big boys,
24:22
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta know what that entail. So if
24:24
Speaker 1: you make a bad challenge like they're gonna let you
24:26
Speaker 1: know about, there's nothing wrong with that.
24:27
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with that at all.
24:29
Speaker 1: It's you know, that's again I bring up Austin again,
24:32
Speaker 1: Like I think Austin had been fired up about that
24:34
Speaker 1: from both sides, like from the hitter side, and then
24:36
Speaker 1: you know seen his picture do that, so uh, look,
24:39
Speaker 1: it's a game and it means something.
24:41
Speaker 2: All right, we probably just get off Twitter, though, Like
24:43
Speaker 2: you're not, You're not doing yourself any good by seeing
24:47
Speaker 2: who's mad at you for staring down a prospect in
24:49
Speaker 2: the spring training game.
24:50
Speaker 1: Come on, good advice for everybody as well. There, So
24:58
Speaker 1: let's let's keep stuck up. Drew Anderson. So I was
25:00
Speaker 1: actually I had the stock Cody. I was, like, you know,
25:04
Speaker 1: had the Tigers offseason that ended with like the Fromber
25:08
Speaker 1: edition and the Verlander edition, and we were like having
25:11
Speaker 1: like real Drew Anderson conversations about like, man, he's really
25:17
Speaker 1: going to be one of your five and you know,
25:18
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that?
25:19
Speaker 3: And like and then how.
25:21
Speaker 1: He's pitched so far, like he would be maybe the
25:25
Speaker 1: hype man of spring training without Fromber and JV being
25:28
Speaker 1: here and kind of pushing him to an expected bullpen
25:31
Speaker 1: roll because he's looked good, Like he looks like like
25:35
Speaker 1: he looks like man, that front office, those those guys
25:38
Speaker 1: you know, identify talent, don't they Like like he's been
25:42
Speaker 1: the hype has been taken away from him, like based
25:45
Speaker 1: on how he's been pitching.
25:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, couldn't be more impressed. Did not think I would
25:51
Speaker 2: be as impressed as I have been. But Fastball averaged
25:54
Speaker 2: ninety five in his most recent start. Change up looked nasty,
25:59
Speaker 2: miss having bats, got a few punch outs. I like,
26:04
Speaker 2: really impressive. Right now, now, it's like, Okay, this guy's
26:07
Speaker 2: probably gonna start the season in your bullpen. Like you
26:10
Speaker 2: can live with that. The shapes are there. Again, when
26:13
Speaker 2: he's facing elite lineups, you know, will it be different.
26:18
Speaker 2: We've seen guys come out and have very good springs
26:21
Speaker 2: before and then it just doesn't translate to the regular season.
26:25
Speaker 2: So he certainly has a lot more to prove, but
26:28
Speaker 2: off to a pretty good start. I think everyone is
26:31
Speaker 2: a little bit pleasantly surprised that not only does he
26:34
Speaker 2: look capable of pitching the major leagues right now, he
26:37
Speaker 2: looks really nasty.
26:41
Speaker 3: Yeah.
26:41
Speaker 1: Again, something that kind of gives you a thought of,
26:44
Speaker 1: like what the possibilities of how this guy could be used, Like,
26:48
Speaker 1: seems like it could could be pretty fun, pretty fun
26:50
Speaker 1: to follow. Let's go with like Riley Green here stock
26:55
Speaker 1: up as well. Riley Green had an RBI double today
26:58
Speaker 1: and also he's got three walks in spring training. So
27:03
Speaker 1: like the conversations about Riley Green, I was even listening
27:06
Speaker 1: to Dan Dickerson and Chris mccowski on the radio today
27:10
Speaker 1: and just like the way they're talking about Riley Green,
27:13
Speaker 1: and it's like, we just don't have the ability to
27:17
Speaker 1: properly talk about Riley Green. By the way, President Company included, like,
27:20
Speaker 1: like we just as a collective do not have the
27:22
Speaker 1: ability to properly talk about him because anything that you
27:26
Speaker 1: say great, you bring up this, like you know, the
27:28
Speaker 1: strikeout thing to get you know, drags him down or
27:30
Speaker 1: even sometimes helf. But like if you harp on that
27:33
Speaker 1: too much, it's like, Okay, well he was a silver slugger,
27:35
Speaker 1: he had thirty six home runs, he started the All
27:37
Speaker 1: Star Game, he's a two time All Star.
27:39
Speaker 3: Like, you know, what are we talking about here?
27:41
Speaker 1: But patient at the plate had a timely hit today,
27:44
Speaker 1: sock Riley Green.
27:46
Speaker 2: I thought we talked about him really well a couple
27:48
Speaker 2: of weeks ago when we kind of did our first
27:50
Speaker 2: big Riley Green conversation. I thought it was deep and
27:53
Speaker 2: nuanced and talked about the good and the bad, and
27:56
Speaker 2: people were still mad at us. So that just goes
27:59
Speaker 2: to prove the point. Round of applause for Riley Green
28:03
Speaker 2: taking a few walks a little inside out OPO double
28:06
Speaker 2: good work. I think, you know, putting some actions behind
28:09
Speaker 2: the words and having a more patient approach is great.
28:14
Speaker 2: Probably a little easier to do that in Lakeland versus
28:17
Speaker 2: you're playing in front of thirty five thousand people and
28:19
Speaker 2: there's a runner on base and it's loud and the
28:21
Speaker 2: juices are really flowing. But that approach starts here. So
28:26
Speaker 2: good job so far, Riley. We'll love to see it.
28:31
Speaker 1: Something you hate to see stock down Jake Rogers. He's
28:33
Speaker 1: over two on ABS challenges, so you know, I'm not
28:36
Speaker 1: a good start. Yeah, it doesn't know, you know, talk
28:39
Speaker 1: about controlling the strike zone, they don't catch it doesn't
28:41
Speaker 1: even know the strike zone.
28:41
Speaker 3: So over two.
28:44
Speaker 2: How stat cast is going to be tracking you know,
28:46
Speaker 2: people's challenge record and percentage throughout the year. Some guys
28:50
Speaker 2: are really going to get roasted on that, but both
28:53
Speaker 2: internally and publicly. Let's hope Jake's challenge percentage improves by
28:59
Speaker 2: the regulation.
29:01
Speaker 3: Yeah.
29:03
Speaker 1: Let's go with Emanuel DeJesus, another one of these guys
29:06
Speaker 1: that like, you know, we're obviously we're fresh. He had
29:09
Speaker 1: seven strikeouts today and so in three endings of work
29:13
Speaker 1: today he became the team leader in strikeouts so far
29:16
Speaker 1: in spring training. Just just getting over Drew Anderson. Another
29:22
Speaker 1: guy that's interesting and they'll be interesting to follow and see,
29:25
Speaker 1: like what his usage will be, but one that I
29:30
Speaker 1: would say, don't be surprised if he is an impactful
29:33
Speaker 1: guy in some fashion this season.
29:36
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think just the fact he's a left he
29:37
Speaker 2: is gonna put him in this mix. He was someone
29:40
Speaker 2: the Tigers had kind of talked up and we're talking
29:44
Speaker 2: highly of early in camp. I watched him in live
29:47
Speaker 2: vps in his first couple of spring games. I'm gonna
29:49
Speaker 2: be honest, I was like, I mean, I'm not really
29:51
Speaker 2: seeing it for a guy who supposedly built up having
29:54
Speaker 2: played in winter ball. But a reminder that spring is long.
29:58
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm not overreacting positively or negatively to
30:01
Speaker 2: any of these things we're talking about. Because then he
30:03
Speaker 2: goes out and out of nowhere booms seven punchies, fourteen,
30:07
Speaker 2: swing and miss. He has three different four different pitches working.
30:12
Speaker 2: Wasn't exactly facing murderers row late there in that game,
30:16
Speaker 2: but clearly the shapes were working. Clearly hitters weren't uncomfortable.
30:21
Speaker 2: Certainly of all these non roster guys. I think him
30:23
Speaker 2: and Cole Waits might be kind of the most intriguing,
30:27
Speaker 2: or I get the sense the Tigers are most interested in,
30:30
Speaker 2: So let's keep more of an eye on in Manuel DeJesus,
30:33
Speaker 2: No doubt.
30:36
Speaker 1: Is it worth keeping an eye on Corey Jolks, who
30:42
Speaker 1: as I look at the stats right now, he's got
30:45
Speaker 1: a couple homrhns glin a grand slam, leads the team
30:47
Speaker 1: and Ribby's I think he's got triple.
30:50
Speaker 3: Too, right, Yes he does.
30:53
Speaker 1: So. Look he's a thirty year old, out right handed
30:56
Speaker 1: hitting outfielder. He might be the early candidate for Camp Darling,
31:04
Speaker 1: Like you know, mcgonagall's gonna get that probably on a pole,
31:07
Speaker 1: a straw pole. But you know he's number two prospect
31:11
Speaker 1: in baseball. Where's the fun in that being a Camp Darling?
31:13
Speaker 1: Corey jokes, I mean, has has the has the opportunity
31:17
Speaker 1: in front of him to kind of be like the
31:18
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six like Spring Train MVP, where it's like,
31:21
Speaker 1: what what is this?
31:22
Speaker 2: You know?
31:23
Speaker 3: And look, he's been fun to.
31:24
Speaker 2: Watch and focus a lot on some of these younger guys,
31:27
Speaker 2: Trey Cruz, Eduardo Valencia, Max Anderson, how you Lee is
31:31
Speaker 2: being like guys who could push for the roster, but
31:34
Speaker 2: there can always be other surprises, and right now it's
31:37
Speaker 2: Corey Joelkes. He's kind of this year's version of Jami Jones.
31:42
Speaker 2: The problem is Jami Jones exists on the roster this
31:46
Speaker 2: year as constructed right now, jolkes path to the roster
31:51
Speaker 2: is pretty tough. It's going to require an injury, maybe
31:54
Speaker 2: multiple injuries to outfielders, I would think. But he's certainly
31:58
Speaker 2: making a good impression, probably a little more defensively useful
32:03
Speaker 2: than Jami.
32:04
Speaker 1: Yeah.
32:04
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna unseat Jami Jones or anything
32:07
Speaker 2: like that, but you want to get yourself on the radar,
32:10
Speaker 2: this is one way to do it. I think, you know,
32:12
Speaker 2: we'll keep an eye on what happens. Joke's putting himself
32:15
Speaker 2: in this conversation, and even if it's not right now,
32:18
Speaker 2: a guy has the skill set, you could see him
32:21
Speaker 2: getting a call at some point this season if an
32:23
Speaker 2: opportunity presents itself.
32:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think he's gonna be a guy that.
32:31
Speaker 1: Like aj trust, you know, obviously with age and you
32:34
Speaker 1: know he's you know, been been through the big league
32:37
Speaker 1: ringer and I think that's something on the quiet.
32:40
Speaker 2: Professional guy tried to talk to him after his first homer,
32:42
Speaker 2: and you know, he just wasn't gonna say much. He's like, yeah,
32:46
Speaker 2: you know, I thought there's an opportunity here here to
32:48
Speaker 2: work hard, see what I can do. I kind of
32:51
Speaker 2: like it. You know, seems seems serious, seems to know
32:54
Speaker 2: what his role here is, and it seems to be
32:57
Speaker 2: about having what it takes and be ready if his
33:00
Speaker 2: name ever gets called.
33:03
Speaker 1: Well, some guys that you know, like sort of like
33:06
Speaker 1: the I would call him like core, like the core prospects,
33:11
Speaker 1: like not the top obviously not the Clark in McGonagall,
33:13
Speaker 1: but like the you know, like the Lee's and the
33:15
Speaker 1: Anderson's that that you mentioned. Even Loronzo to a certain extent,
33:19
Speaker 1: will get in there. I feel like all of them
33:20
Speaker 1: kind of had moments here. So if you're again, if
33:22
Speaker 1: you're looking for like how deep really is the farm? Uh,
33:27
Speaker 1: these are some guys that like have at least shown
33:29
Speaker 1: the ability to like kind of hold their weight to
33:31
Speaker 1: this point in spring training.
33:34
Speaker 3: And even you know you mentioned Valencia, you know he's
33:36
Speaker 3: had moments too.
33:37
Speaker 1: I mean, all these guys that you're kind of looking for,
33:39
Speaker 1: you got to give stock up because like they have
33:43
Speaker 1: shown like like a fit to be where they're like
33:46
Speaker 1: there's a they're where they're supposed to be, and they
33:48
Speaker 1: played like it, I guess is the way I would
33:49
Speaker 1: phrase it.
33:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Loronzo in particular is worth talking about
33:53
Speaker 2: a little bit, just because he had a bad year
33:56
Speaker 2: and it seemed like his stock was really down entering
33:58
Speaker 2: this camp. He shows up having lost what thirty thirty
34:02
Speaker 2: five pounds, looks completely different. Again, There's some things in
34:07
Speaker 2: the swing, like timing wise, I'm a little worried how's
34:10
Speaker 2: he going to handle ninety eight every day? But for
34:13
Speaker 2: right now, you know, behind the plate, he's certainly not
34:18
Speaker 2: the most gifted receiver I've ever watched. But to see
34:21
Speaker 2: him do some things the arm is real, we know
34:24
Speaker 2: there is ability in that bat. To see him come out,
34:27
Speaker 2: look comfortable, do some good things early, I think is
34:30
Speaker 2: a good sign for someone who kind of needs to
34:33
Speaker 2: reassert themselves and have a little bit of a stock up,
34:36
Speaker 2: you know, for the entire season.
34:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think like all these guys, you know,
34:42
Speaker 1: the catcher prospects, the Tigers, you know, love the hole
34:45
Speaker 1: onto for for obvious reasons like the amount of work
34:50
Speaker 1: that they get by just kind of being here, and
34:53
Speaker 1: the ability to like almost get like extra like extra
34:58
Speaker 1: time in just because you're you know, you might not
35:00
Speaker 1: end up being a catcher, but you're gonna be at
35:02
Speaker 1: spring train a week early.
35:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're gonna get some fascinating because he can
35:08
Speaker 2: really hit. Other than McGonagall, he might, you know, have
35:10
Speaker 2: the best hitting ability of this whole bunch, but I don't.
35:14
Speaker 2: He's a big boy man. I don't know if he's
35:16
Speaker 2: going to be a catcher. He doesn't even really move
35:18
Speaker 2: well at first base. I don't know what that looks like.
35:22
Speaker 2: So I think the dude can hit. But if you know,
35:26
Speaker 2: the way he moves now probably isn't going to get
35:29
Speaker 2: better as he probably is still growing and he gets
35:32
Speaker 2: a little older. I know a couple of scouts who
35:35
Speaker 2: are like really worried about that with him, But then
35:37
Speaker 2: you watch him swing it. You know, he hits the
35:39
Speaker 2: ball hard all the time. I'm not sure what player
35:43
Speaker 2: he's going to one day look like at the major
35:45
Speaker 2: league level. And I don't know if that's a good thing,
35:48
Speaker 2: a bad thing, whatever, But yeah, that's just kind of
35:52
Speaker 2: been a thought that's entered my mind a couple of times.
35:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean it's.
35:59
Speaker 1: It's fun to see like some bounce back guys like
36:01
Speaker 1: Theronzo and and then guys you know, getting their first opportunities.
36:05
Speaker 3: That's what spring Train's all about.
36:06
Speaker 1: So like, you know, like like what I looked for
36:09
Speaker 1: when I did this list was like moment stuff, like
36:12
Speaker 1: moments that could you know, show us something down the
36:14
Speaker 1: road or or you know, maybe not.
36:16
Speaker 2: Moments that we will all forget about in a month.
36:20
Speaker 1: Right, but but that But now we get to do
36:22
Speaker 1: it on a podcast, so it's on records, so we
36:24
Speaker 1: can always go back and see if we were right
36:26
Speaker 1: or if we were wrong.
36:27
Speaker 2: We probably should not go back through past spring training podcast.
36:32
Speaker 2: I know there were some bad some bad takes in there.
36:37
Speaker 1: Oh man, any other good or bad takes you want
36:40
Speaker 1: to get in Cody before we jet.
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Speaker 3: Out of here.
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Speaker 2: I think that covers it all for now. We will
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Speaker 2: be back. We'll have some updates from the Dominican. We're
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Speaker 2: kind of getting into the thick of camp here. We've
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Speaker 2: already seen them them thinning out the locker room a
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Speaker 2: little bit. Tym Madden among others have already been you know,
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Speaker 2: sent out of the Big League clubhouse, and we'll see
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Speaker 2: some more of that. We're gonna start to see things
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Speaker 2: get a little more serious here in the next week
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Speaker 2: or two, I think, and.
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Speaker 3: Looking forward to covering it all.
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