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What is the Most Significant Draft Need? | Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, April 4 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to James Drivetime with John Osiers and Bryan sixty sixty.
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  Speaker 1: James Drivetime starts right now. The vibe I get is that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think we've cracked the code. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we've got a great head coach, We've got a great
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  Speaker 1: channel manager, and we have a great quarterback. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the trifecta for success in the NFL. Probably the signature
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  Speaker 1: Lyne from your interview John Osier with shod Con last
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  Speaker 1: week when you were out in the Valley of the Sun.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back, by the way, and welcome to you to
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  Speaker 1: Jags Drive Time here from TIAA Bank, Brian and John
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  Speaker 1: with you. That one got a lot of mileage. And
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think it was the most significant sought from
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  Speaker 1: the entire interview, because I mean, I think all of
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  Speaker 1: us knew that that's what they had done last year.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought that it was interesting that he just
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  Speaker 1: kind of off the cuffs says, yeah, it's great to
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  Speaker 1: have figured it out. Yeah, And you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: he's earned the chance to say that. And I also
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  Speaker 1: know and he knows he has said similar things in
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  Speaker 1: the past when they hired or admires that they had
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  Speaker 1: figured out and he has said the things that you
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  Speaker 1: say when you hire a new peature, but in this case,
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  Speaker 1: there was an overriding feel when I was talking to
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  Speaker 1: him on the air, and then even before the interview,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you talk, you kind of go over what
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  Speaker 1: you might ask and just sort of small talk because
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  Speaker 1: I've known him, you know, for ten or eleven years
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  Speaker 1: now and seeing him go through some rough times as
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  Speaker 1: an owner. And he said on and off the air
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  Speaker 1: that it's kind of a cool time to be the
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  Speaker 1: owner now, to go to league events and hear other
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  Speaker 1: owners reaction to what they did, and you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think there is a feeling, and I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it words in his mouth, but a feeling of you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're figuring out and they're going to be dangerous because
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  Speaker 1: of the head coach and the quarterback, and teams are
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  Speaker 1: congratulating him. Other owners because they run in a circle
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  Speaker 1: where they see each other and they know what each
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  Speaker 1: other go through to get there, they're congratulating him. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if he said this, but I got
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  Speaker 1: the impression that they're not congratulating him too much because
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  Speaker 1: there might be more congratulating to do. It's funny, you
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  Speaker 1: say that because now he's sort of a threat this team.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a little balance of that and that's all
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  Speaker 1: in good fun. But that was the vibe I got
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  Speaker 1: as I watched it. I thought, there's a little sense
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  Speaker 1: of satisfaction there, because, as you mentioned, he had been
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  Speaker 1: through some bumpy times and the Urban Meyer cloud that
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  Speaker 1: had been hanging over this franchise has finally gone right.
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  Speaker 1: But then I decided it wasn't satisfaction as much as
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  Speaker 1: it was anticipation. They are anticipating what the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: this is going to turn into. And we've talked about this. Look,
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  Speaker 1: if you just look at the coach and the quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: a pretty good roster with the opportunity to build over
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  Speaker 1: the next few years, with some salary cap room in
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  Speaker 1: the future setting out there, but most of all, the
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  Speaker 1: coach in the quarterback, you can anticipate, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: golden age of Jaguar's football in front of us. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's funny. When they drafted Trevor Lawrence, we talked
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  Speaker 1: about and let's face it, Doug Peters need a great
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  Speaker 1: job last year, but Trevor Lawrence is the code if
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  Speaker 1: you follow me or without him, the code doesn't work.
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  Speaker 1: And I think in a similar extent, if you don't
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  Speaker 1: have Doug, Trevor doesn't have the success. But you have
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  Speaker 1: to have that guy behind center, and the fact that
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  Speaker 1: he's so young and developing, and the point I was
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  Speaker 1: getting to and I'm when I commented about Doug earlier,
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  Speaker 1: Doug knowing that Trevor's gut more in him, and where
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  Speaker 1: Doug is going to be able to take Trevor in
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  Speaker 1: this offense, they go hand in hand. But the code
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  Speaker 1: sixteen And for Trent Balky, I think he would tell
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  Speaker 1: you the same thing, who I think deserved the praise
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  Speaker 1: that Shod gave him last week. Having Trevor there allows
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  Speaker 1: them to do the job that they want to do.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're both capable of people in their jobs.
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  Speaker 1: Without that piece, then all of a sudden, those things
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to get so much harder in other coaches,
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  Speaker 1: other eras. Yeah, not having that quarterback made it such
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  Speaker 1: a struggle, as you said, to get your foot out
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  Speaker 1: of that sticky munth that just kind of pulled it
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  Speaker 1: back in. Trevor gives him the ability because of his talent, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: to take a young receiver or even a defense because
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  Speaker 1: he's giving them a lead and help it all get better.
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  Speaker 1: We don't get much with con so he is all
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  Speaker 1: of our big things today. So let's get right to it,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll start with big thing one. And it's over
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  Speaker 1: and over, and it's the ability of the Jaguars to
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  Speaker 1: not just have a season like twenty seventeen was, but
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  Speaker 1: to have a twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five. And the owner commented on it last week again,
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  Speaker 1: I think what gives me the confidence of sustainable sustainability is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, head coach, general manager and the quarterback. I
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  Speaker 1: think you know they're here for the long haul. And
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  Speaker 1: with them, I think you know, we've lost a couple
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  Speaker 1: of players this year's salary cap by you know, I
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  Speaker 1: hated to see him leave, but that's really a measure
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  Speaker 1: of success that you can't hang on to all your players,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And so then obviously the skill, the trick
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  Speaker 1: is to replace them, hopefully, you know, with better players.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, we've got the draft primarily to develop
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  Speaker 1: players for the future and a system that is sustainable.
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  Speaker 1: Big thing too, is the head coach. Shot Khan had
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  Speaker 1: a front row seat to twenty twenty one and how
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  Speaker 1: that thing fell apart, and he acted quickly and brought
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  Speaker 1: in Doug Peterson. It had a front row seat to
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  Speaker 1: how this thing exploded. Doug is a media darling. Oh so,
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  Speaker 1: so I think a lot of the stuff that's come out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I saw it up close in personal Okay
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  Speaker 1: that you know, he's a guy, very even keeled. Really
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  Speaker 1: doesn't get too high, it doesn't get too low. Really,
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  Speaker 1: the self belief, the belief in the team, belief in
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  Speaker 1: the process. I think in you know, in results, and
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  Speaker 1: really demanding winning from himself and the players and the team,
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  Speaker 1: which brings us a big thing. Three and results. Trent
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  Speaker 1: Bulky obviously delivered results. They've had two pretty good drafts,
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  Speaker 1: They've had two very strong free agent classes, including last year,
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  Speaker 1: and when you look at what he's done well, it
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  Speaker 1: kind of puts all of the criticism and all of
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  Speaker 1: that other stuff that came along with him through the
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  Speaker 1: process to the side. I've known Trent now for three years, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I mean I believe in him. Okay, whether he
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  Speaker 1: was popular with the fans or not, I mean that
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  Speaker 1: was for the Pans to decide. My belief in him
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  Speaker 1: never wavered. And no matter what the noise was, and
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  Speaker 1: those are big things, and let's stay right there with
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  Speaker 1: big thing three for a minute. Everyone knows the criticism
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  Speaker 1: that Trent endured and it was over the top for
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  Speaker 1: the results that he has now delivered. And he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want to go back and relitigate that either, but it
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  Speaker 1: really is. We talk about the coach in the quarterback
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  Speaker 1: a lot because they're the guys we talk about on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: But when you look at the job that Trent Bulky
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  Speaker 1: has with the last two draft classes and the free
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  Speaker 1: agent class, especially last year, when you get Zay Jones
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  Speaker 1: and Christian Kirk and they bring these guys in and
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  Speaker 1: Evan Ingram and you know they're one, two, three, and
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  Speaker 1: Marvin Jones who was the year before at four as
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  Speaker 1: receivers producing at a high level. It's not just Doug
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  Speaker 1: and Trent. Are Doug and Trevor. Trent's got to be
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  Speaker 1: a part of that as well, right, And I know
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  Speaker 1: Trent really doesn't necessarily want all that happened in the
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  Speaker 1: transition urban Doug mentioned over and over yea, so, but
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  Speaker 1: the reason I asked shot about Trent and sort of
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  Speaker 1: you know, he had mentioned Trevor, Trent and Doug, and
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  Speaker 1: so I just asked him about Trent because we hadn't
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  Speaker 1: really talked a shot since last October. So I wanted
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  Speaker 1: Shot to talk about, you know, look, the success that
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  Speaker 1: this team had changed the conversation. And I thought, I
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  Speaker 1: thought he was great on Trent. He believed in him throughout.
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  Speaker 1: He believed in him at a time where I think
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  Speaker 1: Shad said, you know what, he deserves a chance to
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  Speaker 1: do this job during a time when the pieces around
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  Speaker 1: him are right. And it wasn't the chaos of twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty one and the job he did putting pieces around
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback last year in an unknown time. It's uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's easy now to look back and say, well, Christian Kirk,
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  Speaker 1: z Jones, and Haven Ingram good players. Well, Zay Jones
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  Speaker 1: hadn't had a year like that. No one was overly
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  Speaker 1: excited about a guy coming in via Buffalo and Las Vegas. Ingram,
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  Speaker 1: you know, was not necessarily a locked for being a
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  Speaker 1: quite agent, signs a guy that dropped the ball in
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  Speaker 1: New York, right, and Christen Kirk all you heard it
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  Speaker 1: was only paid him too much, pay him to pay
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  Speaker 1: him too much. Well, they made the necessary moves to
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  Speaker 1: get out of a talent and deficit and they're back
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  Speaker 1: to where they can compete now. And it's not just
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  Speaker 1: those guys and ready to go forward, right. How about
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  Speaker 1: Rachel Jenkins who delivered two of the biggest plays in
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  Speaker 1: franchise history, let alone the solid play that you got
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  Speaker 1: for him and Roy Robertson. Harris was a stalwart late
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  Speaker 1: in the year. I remember games, especially against the Jets
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  Speaker 1: on that Thursday night before Christmas and the big game
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  Speaker 1: that he had against the Chargers when they came in
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  Speaker 1: here for the playoffs in the fourth quarter when things
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  Speaker 1: needed to turn. The free agent class has been way
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  Speaker 1: above average, way above league average for hit rate on
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  Speaker 1: that and the draft class has as well. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: we don't again, we don't need to relitigate this, but
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  Speaker 1: when you talk about why this situation so solid, but
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  Speaker 1: it's because you've got those three men, quarterback, the head coach,
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  Speaker 1: and the general manager and they've got something to build from. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I got his comments on all three. We're very
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  Speaker 1: interesting with Doug. I was really taken by you could
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  Speaker 1: tell that shot in his quote said, well, Doug's immedia darling,
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  Speaker 1: but he saw it all along meaning, you know, once
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  Speaker 1: they got in, you got the idea that during October
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  Speaker 1: last year, when they were owing five and it looked
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  Speaker 1: like the wheels were coming off and there was all
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  Speaker 1: the criticism. I can only imagine that the conversations that
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  Speaker 1: Doug had was shot during that time were very similar
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  Speaker 1: to the conversations that we had with Doug when we
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  Speaker 1: were talking to him as a media corps. That says
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  Speaker 1: something that that's that's how he is on all fronts.
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  Speaker 1: Shod senses the calmness, the confidence, that ability to lead
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  Speaker 1: through troubled waters, if you will. And I'm not surprised
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  Speaker 1: he saw it, but I think it's telling that that's
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  Speaker 1: Doug's approach, not only when the camera's on them, but
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  Speaker 1: behind closed doors as well. That obviously resonates with the
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  Speaker 1: players all right. Now that the owners meetings are over,
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  Speaker 1: the calendar turns squarely to the NFL Draft, which is
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  Speaker 1: twenty three days away. Are you ready to go there,
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  Speaker 1: because we're going there whether you're ready or not, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going. You're going, well, no, I don't even going
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  Speaker 1: to Kansas City. Yes, I will go there. Stay right
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  Speaker 1: here until about August. We're going to the draft. Conversation
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  Speaker 1: here on Jags Drive Time. Three positions that are most
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  Speaker 1: closely identified with the Jaguars defensive back, tight end, and
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  Speaker 1: offensive tackling. Over the next couple of weeks we'll tackle
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  Speaker 1: them in depth. Today, we'll go to the secondary and
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  Speaker 1: look at the defensive backs that might be available in
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  Speaker 1: the first round. Some of them won't be available they're
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  Speaker 1: that good. But who might be sitting there where the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars select when we return. This is Jags Drive Time
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  Speaker 1: on a Tuesday morning, early in April from TIAA Bank
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  Speaker 1: Field in Jacksonville. Rolling right along here from tia Bank
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  Speaker 1: Fild in Jacksonvillage. Promise, we're turning our attention to the draft,
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  Speaker 1: which most fans have turned their attention to since free
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  Speaker 1: agency started slowing down. John, you know, I know you
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  Speaker 1: track some of the mock drafts out there. I'm right
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  Speaker 1: on target with those three positions, right or is there
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  Speaker 1: another one? Yeah? That would be what are we going with?
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  Speaker 1: That's a back, right right? Primarily a corner, an offensive
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  Speaker 1: lineman or a tight end. Yeah, and I think that's
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  Speaker 1: where it lies. There might be Yeah, there could be
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  Speaker 1: a lot of different choice in turns and Russier is
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  Speaker 1: something that you're hearing people talk about because there's so
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  Speaker 1: much talk about pass rush. My personal opinion is, I
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  Speaker 1: think any edge rush pass rush improvement they're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: is going to come from Trayvon and Josh. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a big believer that edge rusher is, especially at twenty
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  Speaker 1: four twenty five, are gonna come in, are going to
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  Speaker 1: come in and dramatically impact you right away. A great
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  Speaker 1: example that, yeah, I mean it's I don't say it
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  Speaker 1: can't be done. I think it's something that's difficult to
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  Speaker 1: rely on my senses. These are the three positions, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So let's start with the Jaguar secondary and give you
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  Speaker 1: a look here at what's in place already. And you
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  Speaker 1: see Tyson Campbell and Darius Williams, Trey Herndon resigned in
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  Speaker 1: free agency ostensibly to be your nickelback, and then at
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  Speaker 1: safety Andre Cisco and ray Sewn Jenkins, and they feel
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  Speaker 1: good about what Andrew Wingard brings them. Remember the games
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  Speaker 1: against the Ravens and the Cowboys last year, in particular,
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  Speaker 1: where he was making big plays on third and fourth
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  Speaker 1: down late in the ball game. And obviously Daniel Thomas
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  Speaker 1: is a really solid special teams guy. But on that
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  Speaker 1: mont Terra Brown's a young guy. Gregory Junior didn't get
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  Speaker 1: on the field last year, but he's a guy they drafted,
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  Speaker 1: remember from Watchita Baptist, and they are hopeful because of
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  Speaker 1: his athleticism. Chris Claybrooks has been around. Look, you use
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  Speaker 1: a first round pick on a defensive back, whether that's
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  Speaker 1: a Ryan Branch who can play safety, slot, or whether
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  Speaker 1: that's one of these corners, it would appear to be
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  Speaker 1: a really important move for this franchise because Darius Williams
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  Speaker 1: is on a one year, eleven year, eleven million dollar contract. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a tough spot. And what I mean
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  Speaker 1: by that is Darius played much better on the outside
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  Speaker 1: than he did at Nickels, So it it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: imagine them drafting a player and putting or drafting a
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  Speaker 1: corner and putting the corner outside, moving Darius back to
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  Speaker 1: the inside, because that didn't seem to work last year.
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  Speaker 1: So I think their dilemma maybe nickel an outside in
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  Speaker 1: this day and age, can be two pretty different positions
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  Speaker 1: and you're looking for different strengths. Can they draft a
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  Speaker 1: nickel with the idea that then what do you do
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. Are you bringing Darius back? Are
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  Speaker 1: you committing to him for the long term. I don't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily think that you can draft the nickel and assume
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  Speaker 1: that he can go out and play outside the next year.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure there are players who can, but I think
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  Speaker 1: that may be their dilemma there is, are we drafting
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  Speaker 1: a guy for the long term to go play opposite Tyson?
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  Speaker 1: Or do we need a nickel and then fix or
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  Speaker 1: address the outside later on. I'm not sure where they
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  Speaker 1: go in that direction, but I think that may be
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  Speaker 1: that may be their issue long term. All Right, so
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  Speaker 1: let's take a look at the guys who are thought
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  Speaker 1: to be first round picks, and there are a couple
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  Speaker 1: of them that will be nowhere near with the Jaguars pick.
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  Speaker 1: You look there at Christian Gonzalez, who was a transfer
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  Speaker 1: from Colorado, freakishly long athlete, a guy with incredible athleticism.
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  Speaker 1: He's not going to be there. Neither is Devin Witherspoon,
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  Speaker 1: the kid from Illinois might be the best all around
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  Speaker 1: sound corner in this year's draft, really physical like most
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  Speaker 1: of the defensive backs in the Big ten are, but
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  Speaker 1: also a guy who is credited as being a sensational
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  Speaker 1: open field tackler. You recognize the name Joey Porter. This
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  Speaker 1: is Joey Porter Junior. His dad obviously a longtime great
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  Speaker 1: pass rusher with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Porter has got Jalen
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  Speaker 1: Ramsey length right. And one of the things that made
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey so great was that his arms were so
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  Speaker 1: long in his hands were so big to go on
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  Speaker 1: a big body already that it was really difficult to
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  Speaker 1: place the ball anywhere where a receiver had an advantage.
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  Speaker 1: And so when you look at a guy like Joey Porter,
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  Speaker 1: here's what might happen. John. You might see a run
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  Speaker 1: start on corners because there are these five guys, and
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  Speaker 1: you talk to people around the league, like we both do,
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  Speaker 1: and it seems like somewhere eleven or twelve because of
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  Speaker 1: the offensive tackles, because of the quarterbacks, these guys might
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  Speaker 1: be there, you know, eleven to twenty. And other guys
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  Speaker 1: that we're looking at. Deontay Banks, the cornerback from the
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  Speaker 1: University of Maryland. You know Marvin Harrison Junior, I know
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  Speaker 1: you know his dad Well had seventy seven catches, nearly
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  Speaker 1: thirteen hundred yards and fourteen touchdowns. He was the best
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  Speaker 1: receiver in college football last year, but he only had
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  Speaker 1: five catches for sixty eight yards against Deontay Banks. Banks
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  Speaker 1: a sensational workout guy. He was thought to be maybe
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  Speaker 1: a second round pick, and then he blew everyone's expectations
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  Speaker 1: away at the combine. And then the last one is
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  Speaker 1: Brian Branch, and he's interesting because he's a guy who
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  Speaker 1: primarily played safety, was a linebacker in coverage, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: a linebacker against the run, was up filling the holes.
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  Speaker 1: But as a guy who can step out and play
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  Speaker 1: in the slot, so he could be a long term
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  Speaker 1: guy for you as a slot guy and a safety.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of options with a guy like
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  Speaker 1: Brian Branch. Deontay Banks is a guy that'll probably be there.
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  Speaker 1: The other three unless they make a move up, probably
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  Speaker 1: gone by the time they select. Yeah. The fascinating thing,
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  Speaker 1: I don't pretend to have that much to offer in
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  Speaker 1: terms of how I think these guys are going to
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  Speaker 1: translate to the NFL, because it's I believe it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a crapshoot, and I don't necessarily
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: know that I'm the expert to tell you how Brian
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Branch is gonna fit. I can tell you that the
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: dilemma that they're going to face here, Branch I like
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: because from what I've seen of him, I do think
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: he has adversatility that you're talking about Deante Banks, he
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: makes sense if what you're looking forth that spot as
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: a corner. I think conceptually with the draft, what they're
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: going to run into corners really really deep, and it
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: goes deeper than this list, and there's four or five
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: that people believe are going to go in the second
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: and the top of the third. So it's going to
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: be interesting to me is how Trent Balky approaches it.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I absolutely think that corner will be a position that
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: they pick somewhere in the first three rounds. Does Trent
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: believe that these corn overall between four and maybe ten
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: are so close that it makes more sense to go
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: get one and wait in the second round. You know,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: if you don't believe that Deontay Banks is significantly better
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: than maybe your ninth corner, you can get that guy
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: in the second round and then go offensive line early
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: where it's it's historically maybe a little tougher to get
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: a guy in the second round late who can come
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: in and play. So I think a conceptually, I don't
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: know they're going to go corner in the first round
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: because it is such a deep class. I think the
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: depth of this class may have them taking it in
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the second round. There are going to the offensive lineman
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: in all likelihood, who are sitting there now? It's not
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you know, the top guys, the Scronsky right or the
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Paris Johnson, the kids from the Big ten. But there
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: will be some guys there. We'll talk about them in
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: coming weeks. And obviously tight end is another position that
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: kind of falls in that category. Could they go somewhere else,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: of course they could, but this is an area it's need.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: But again, do you take knee overvalue? Right? If there's
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: great value there in a pass rusher, If there's great
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: value there, what if the running back from Texas falls
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: all the way down there? Again you say, well, we
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: got the running back and this is not a run
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: centered offense. But value at that point is something you
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: have to consider. It's gonna be very interesting too conceptually
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: with this draft. Tight End and running back are very
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: interesting conceptual positions in number twenty four twenty five to me,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: because does a running back such as a kid from Texas,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Jean Robinson who is special, special time special, or a
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: a tight end such as Mayer who can really give
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: you a dimension you don't already have. There is a
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: school of thought, and I'm not sure it's a bad
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: school of thought with this team. Get as dynamic as
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: you can offensively. Does that running back what he would bring,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Does that tight end what he would bring? Take your
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: offense from here to hear? If the corner only takes
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: your defense from here to here, maybe you're very tempted
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: with an offense that you think might be special enough.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Adding Ridley and adding one more to mention, all of
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: a sudden you're up there with the Chiefs. You go,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: you play, and you try to break serve on defense
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: a couple of times. I don't know necessarily what they're
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: thinking on that, but I think Draft night and the
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: first two days of the draft might show us a
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: lot at how they're going to approach that season. The
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: next couple of weeks to be fun to start to
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: see how things fall out. Because of the quarterback, They've
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: got a lot of options, and one of them is
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: to increase on offense. Even though everyone looks at the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: defense and says, we need this, we need that. I
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: think where they're sitting right now, you need the best
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: player available. We'll see what they decide to do with it.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: All right, we've got much more ahead. Ozone snapshot is
• 22:48
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• 22:51
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  Speaker 1: about a snapshot of what John's getting in the ozone mailbag,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and will begin with Mike from Omaha, who writes John,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: what is the one absolute most important position we improve
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: upon on the draft? Well, it's interesting because, as we
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: alluded to in the last segment, I don't necessarily think
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: that corner is going to be the first pit. But
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I think they have to figure out. I think they
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: need a rookie to come in and play a significant
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: role there as I knock on Trey Herndon, But I
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: think you would like to be better at that Nickel spot,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I think you'd like to have a young athletic player
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: who can really fill that. I don't know how they
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: go for it in round one, but I think it's
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: it's the most glaring in terms of the starting because
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: if if you draft an offensive lineman, I think you're
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: drafting it for the long term, maybe to go start
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: and I compete with Ben bartchet guard, but I'm not
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: sure your need is, oh my goodness, we have to
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: get it. Feels like that at corner a little bit,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: so I think cornerback all right. Chris Joys is from
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the UK. He's in London, and he writes, do you
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: think drag wars head coach Doug Peterson stating we need
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to improve our pass rush leans towards pass rush kind
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: of already answered this one. Yep. Well, A lot of
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: people interpreted that. When Doug was talking at his media
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: availability at the owner's meetings last week, I asked him
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: about the defense head he get better, He said, we
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: always have to improve the pass rush, and whole sort
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: of jumped on that said they're gonna take edge rusher
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: at number twenty four. I think it's more about needing
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the overall pass rush. In key situations to be better.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I think they got better there late in the season
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: as they're making their playoff push in big situations. This
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily a big sack team, but they got good pressure.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I think I think he wants to see more of that,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: and he mentioned specifically they need more. They need Trayvon
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Walker to continue to develop, and they need Josh Allen
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: to have a little bit better of a year. In
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: terms of numbers, I'm paraphrasing Dug there a little bit,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: but I think it's more improvement from within. So I
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily think it means pass rush is an automatic
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: lock in the first round. Well, let me throw a
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: wrinkle into this, because when we talk about pass rush,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: we talk so much about the edge rushers. That's what
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: we've seen here, right, It's been a long time since
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: we've had that defensive tackle that's creating the pass rush
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: up the middle. So a little bit with Marcel Darius
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: in seventeen, but before that it was Big John and Marcus,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: So it's been a while. What about the Clancy kid,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the defensive tackle Elijah Clancy from Pitt who is compared
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: favorably not He's not the same as Aaron Donald, but
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: an interior pass rusher that might fit at twenty four. Yeah,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: that would be the wild card that I think could happen.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: And defensive tackle is sort of the prime position that
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: time forgot, if you will, and for the reasons you
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: talk about um every times about edge rusher, receiver, now
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: quarterback and left tackle. I think if the Jaguars saw
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: a guy at twenty four that they thought was special
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: on the interior, to really store that up, I don't
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: think you can pass it up. The counter to that
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: is usually picking at that point in the in the
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: first round. Conventional wisdom is is that you don't find
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: special there. Of his draft, I think he was thirteen
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: or fourteen, but um usually not that late in the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: first round. Conventional wisdom tells you, all right, let's you
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: can go away from that. Grab our final ozone mailback
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: snapshot Sandman from west Side. I know very little about anything,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: but if you had a Walker Little in the fold
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the prior year, when I trade Juwan Taylor and then
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: get something for him, Yep, I've gotten a few of these.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I get I get it in theory. Okay, we've got
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Walker Little who could have started last year. You have
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: came Robinson, why not trade Joan Taylor. At some point,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: you draft players to play for you and you so
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: you know. You don't always want to trade your players
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: away before they play for you. Sometimes you're gonna lose
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: them to the end of contracts. But at some point
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the season's count. I don't necessarily know that they make
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: the postseason last year if they hadn't had three tackles
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: available to play. They needed the depth at the end
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: of the season it paid off for them. I'm not
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: a big believer. I always joke, as some members of
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the media, stop trading good players because fans when they
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: look at a depth chart, if they see a player
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: who they even recognize after the starting level, oh trade
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: him for something else. Yeah, keep guys on your team.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: This is a league of attrition, So don't necessarily be
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: in a worried to trade guys for the future. Sometimes
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you had to. Sometimes you have to concentrate on the now. Well,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: let's be honest, there wasn't a lot of It wasn't
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: a huge trade market for Juwan Taylor. He didn't play
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: all that well his first three years, and he didn't
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: really hit his stride until his fourth season, and by
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: the time the trade deadline had passed, he had a
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: half a season of doing that. We're gonna take the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: fifth round pick. I mean for a guy you convinced
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: all along they were gonna lose Skyrocket, So you don't
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: always know. I think they would have liked to have
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: kept Juan. I think they went into the season thinking
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: we'd probably have a chance to keep him because they
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: didn't expect him to have this monster year. Uh So
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I don't see that as as a mistake as I
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: just kind of see that that's how players developed and
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: dollars a year, right, right, somebody else saw how good
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: he was, and look, at the time that the trade
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: deadline came by, he wasn't as valuable in the trade
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: market as he was to having you on your team.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: And you're right about everyone, Donny, was it thirteen pick?
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about you were right, thank you, not
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: that you needed me to tell you that you were right?
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: All right, Will and thing John wins. We'll take a
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: break and come back wrap up Jack's drive time here
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• 29:35
  Speaker 1: All right, Brian and John back to wrap things up
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: for you. Don't forget. Happy Hour comes your way Thursday
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: at four o'clock with JP and Jeff. So more draft
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: conversation building as we get towards that UM drafts in
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Kansas City this year be interesting. Vegas was nice last year.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: You know, UM, Chicago did a really good job with
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: the draft, and then it went to Philadelphia, who did
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: a really good job with the draft. Will you even
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: come back? Yeah, I'll come back, and you might just
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: get out there and just decide that's where you've been
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: here twenty nine years. Florida kind of calls you back.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I got you. The barbecue is really good. But the
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Dallas did a good job. Nashville had a great job.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Cleveland forget it. UM Vegas was spectacular last year. I
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: can Studio do a good job. Oh yeah, Well, and
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: of course you know they've got the Super Bowl champions
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: that are there and they will make something big. They're
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: expecting this to be the biggest sporting event in Kansas
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: City history, right, I mean in terms of the number
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: of people, because think about it, the people that fly in,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you're you're there. I'll get there Tuesday, Tuesday, and Wednesday.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: There's some work and you kind of have a sense
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the draft is in that city. And then Thursday, all
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, the airport explodes. And by the way,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: they have a new airport in Kansas City, So it's
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: going to be packed and there will be people from
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: all over because it's right in the heart of the country.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. They needed a new airport and
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: can't see that aund it was the worst airport. Yeah,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: it was still to have been to that, it was not. Yeah,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: all right, Joe, draft is coming up in three weeks.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: You're off next week, so we'll see you in two weeks'
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: wait John Os here everybody, and that'll do it. Thanks
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to our entire broadcast crew, Joe and Brent and everyone
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: who helps put this program on every Tuesday morning, we
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: certainly appreciate you. Have a great day.