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Imam Hussain isn't just yours! (ft. Mohamedali Gokal & Muntazir Rai) · After Maghrib 🌙

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  Salaam Alaikum, welcome back to the Aftermath, the podcast.
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  Of course, we are now entering the days of Muharram, the days
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  of course, where we commemorate the demise, the martyrdom, the
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  tragedy of the killing of Imam Hussein.
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  Salahat Allahi was Salaam Ali. And of course, it goes without
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  saying that we firstly extend our condolences to none other
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  than Imam and Mehdi Ajallah, to Allah, Father Joe Sharif and of
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  course all to you all as well at home.
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  If you're here for the first time, welcome to After Maghrib,
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  hit that subscribe button. We do weekly conversations on
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  Islam, on community and how to uplift ourselves.
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  And of course, entering the Muharram season, the next few
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  podcasts will be focusing on everything to do with Karbala
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  before, during and after. And ways in which we can apply
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  what we learn in that epic to our own lives in our day-to-day
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  interactions. Today, inshallah, we're going to
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  start on that note. So we're going to have a
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  fantastic conversation where we look at the values of Imam
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  Hussein and the ways in which we can not only apply it to
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  ourselves, but also introduce it to people around us.
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  So we have two very special guests, 2 amazing friends of
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  mine, brothers of mine, no pun intended.
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  But before I introduce these two brothers, my other brother said
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  Ali Ali Ali. How are you keeping?
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  Hamdullah well, I'm just taking in the reality that the month.
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  Of the season here is upon us. So there's a lot of I think
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  reflection for me to do during this month as well as you know,
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  in addition to the spiritual Inshallah growth that happens
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  during this month on top of the hazard that we do, the
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  remembrance, the Majalis that we attend.
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  And I and I think personally similar to last year in the
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  previous years here on the podcast, I want, I want to know
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  what theme do we have for this year?
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  Yeah, you mentioned just now in the intro, we're going to
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  discuss Karbala before, during and after.
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  Last year was the top heed of Imam and Hussain.
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  So I think this is going to be a journey for everyone and Shallow
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  would benefit. Insha Allah, of course we know
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  the hadith of Salah Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam where
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  he says and I translate, I translate.
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  The killing of Hussain lights a fire that never subsides in the
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  lovers of him. And so inshallah on that note,
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  we can enter the season with that love.
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  You know, we can try and keep that fire burning and inshallah
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  try our best to do justice. I said bro and and be able to
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  call ourselves Hosseini with pride and also with Macnifer as
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  to what that means. Because there's one thing going
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  out and saying we're Hosseini, but embodying that and
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  personifying that is a whole different thing.
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  So hopefully we're going to be able to do that.
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  Today I'm introducing 2 amazing guests.
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  One of them for those at home or for those listening, looks and
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  sounds like me. OK.
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  And one of them looks and sounds like.
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  So I'm joking. So to my left, my own blood
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  brother, my Big Brother Ali Salaam Alaikum Salaam Ahad.
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  How are you? I'm good.
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  I've never had an introduction like that.
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  I've never had someone say the guy looks like me and talks like
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  me. Thank you for having me on.
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  Thank you for coming bro. Salaam.
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  Salaam. And so Ali's left you.
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  Do sound the same though I'm thinking about really.
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  Should we swap seats? Gosh.
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  And Ali's left, Montezo right? So what they call Meiko.
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  Saddam, thanks for having me. On thanks for coming on and for
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  those who don't know these two brothers, they are members, key
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  members of the Hood Hussain Foundation and all of us at
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  home, I'm sure know who's hussein.org.
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  And if you don't, then please pause the podcast right now and
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  go to whosthesame.org because you will not understand the
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  context of this conversation without looking at who's the
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  same or forward slash, donate, forward slash, yes, and listen.
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  And don't forget aftermathof.com/donate.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But listen, we're entering say,
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  the season of of Azhar, the season of mourning.
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  These next 10/11/12 nights are going to be nights of grief for
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  us. No tragedy like Imam Hussein's
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  tragedy. Now we say every year that this
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  is the greatest tragedy that has ever happened on the face of the
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  earth, not because of how many people died, not because of when
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  it happened, but rather who was killed and the way in which he
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  and his family and companions were martyred on the plains of
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  Karbala. What took place before the
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  betrayal that took place before, during and even after the Battle
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  of Karbala? The 50 years since the death of
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  the Holy Prophet Muhammad leading up to the Battle of
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  Karbala and what took place on those planes kind of sets a
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  tone, I think, for us when we enter this month to realise that
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  the tragedy goes beyond the 10th of Muharram.
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  What do you reckon? It does, it definitely does.
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  And even even I think not just beyond the 10th of Muharram,
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  even like during the 10th of Muharram, I think we need to
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  have reminders. Like for me, I want to
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  understand, OK, why was Imam and Hussein presence in Karbala?
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  Why did it happen on the 10th of Muharram?
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  What led to this, you know, huge massacre that I think until
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  today there's no other massacre. You can compare that people
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  until today, hundreds and hundreds of millions will still
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  cry. You mentioned the name of about
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  Abdullah. It's impossible not to shed
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  tears. You know, Charlotte, these tears
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  act as intercession for us on the day of a judgement.
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  So you're right, there is more, there is more to take on this.
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  What? Ready?
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  What I think is what a key question we get asked as Shia
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  and as lovers of Imam Hussein is why do you guys do what you do?
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  OK, so we go to work, of course, we continue our lives during
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  these ten nights. We wear black, we go out for
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  majalis at night. We go to majalis in people's
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  homes, we post on social media. And a lot of the time we get
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  asked by those who don't understand why we do what we do,
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  why we're doing this. So to maybe kick off what, what
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  does this season mean to you? I know it means a lot to you
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  personally. What's your thought process when
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  trying to summarize why this is a cause which you care about so
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  much? Yeah, so I mean, I think in a
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  day we're all humans. And that means that we all, we
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  all love a hero. We all need a guide in life.
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  We all want to see and connect with something that has happened
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  which can motivate and inspire us to become better people, to
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  get the best out of ourselves. And we know there's that saying
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  that Imam Hussein, that ship is the fastest and widest.
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  And there's a reason there must be more wisdom than I than I can
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  put my finger on. But it's there because it is the
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  best way to be able to get us to the end goal, The end goal.
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  It's tall heed. It's getting closer to God.
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  It's not just about crying for Imam Hussein.
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  And of course, I know we all go into this month and we think
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  about what happened to Imam Hussein.
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  I think we all understand as well that Imam Hussein doesn't,
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  didn't and doesn't want us to just cry about what happened.
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  He has no qualms about what happened to him.
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  He is happy as it says at the end of Surat al Faja, which is
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  known as Surat al Hussein, that he is pleased with God and God
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  is pleased with him. So it's not about going into the
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  season and just thinking about just what what's what's happened
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  and what has happened. It's about looking at how this
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  is a springboard for something even greater.
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  Imam Hussein only did this for God.
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  He didn't do it for any other reason, for any other purpose.
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  It was for the purest of intentions.
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  So for me, it's always about going into this season and
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  thinking what's happening in my life at the moment, What do I
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  need to learn from Imam Hussein? And it's a unit.
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  The Day of Usher is just a university of lessons every
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  single year. It's amazing how millions, you
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  know, they go to Majalis, you learn something new, it'll be
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  somehow newly applicable to whatever's struggle is going on
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  with you at that point in life, which in itself is just
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  miraculous. But I think every time it's got
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  to be, how is this going to springboard me to getting closer
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  to God and refining my own? I don't really.
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  What do you think? I mean, if you think about it,
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  Karbala shouldn't make no sense because tragedies happen every
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  day. We just need to look on BBC
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  News, CNN right now. I guarantee top three headlines
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  there'll be someone would have died, someone would have
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  starved, someone have been bombed.
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  We all think about the same place right now, right?
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  We've all seen videos in the last few months of girls
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  working, walking through flames, people carrying bags, their
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  children dead, parts of their children in in carrier bags.
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  Tragedies have happened in history, throughout history, and
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  unfortunately will continue to happen as long as the human race
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  walks this earth, really until the end.
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  So what makes Karbala different? There is there's got to be
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  something that makes it different.
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  There is something that makes it different.
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  There is a higher realm, a higher reality of Karbala that
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  exists on not a a merely material sense.
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  It's a meta level of reality of Karbala that talks to our souls
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  in which any single person who's experiencing any kind of
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  challenge, they're feeling overwhelmed, they're feeling
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  encumbered by something and see something in Karbala.
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  I remember what I saw in Karbala when I was 11 years old, and
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  when I heard the story of Bibi Sakina, I cried because Ahmed
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  Yumi have a young sister who at the time was a very young girl,
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  and I thought of her. And now I'm a father and I think
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  of my children, and that's at a very human level.
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  But then I think to myself, do you know what?
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  What is it about this that makes it so much more powerful than
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  that? Let's say in the years 365 days,
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  we spent more than 10% of our year mourning every year.
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  It's extraordinary, it doesn't make any sense, but it does make
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  sense. And because it's now part of our
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  DNA. And what I'm saying is our
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  reminder to that whatever we're going through, there's, we can
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  achieve more, we can do it, we can overcome, we can succeed.
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  We can fight towards Allah, we can strive towards towards Allah
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  and we can sacrifice because ultimately the man we're looking
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  at was able to do it. I have spent my life, I'm not
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  the greatest student of history or politics or the international
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  international relations. I've spent my life as an amateur
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  student of the world trying to make sense of liberal democracy,
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  of international human rights, of the judicial systems.
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  They're so flawed. Winston Churchill himself said,
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  to paraphrase him, democracy is rubbish.
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  It's the best we've got. It's absolutely terrible.
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  There are people out there in the world for whom we have
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  arrest warrants for committing mass murder and we can't enforce
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  them because certain governments don't want to do.
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  There's got to be a better order out then, and the Husseini way
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  is the pinnacle of what humanity can achieve as far as I'm
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  concerned. So in terms of the relevance of
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  what I'm saying, it's the higher calling for every single member
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  of humanity that we keep going back to, I said.
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  Very, very beautifully said. And you know, you mentioned you
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  had a younger sister at the time when you were relating to the
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  story of BBC Cicina. And thank you for mentioning
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  that because it bring me memories.
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  When I first took my daughter to my to Majalis.
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  I remember hearing from the pulpit, the speaker on on the
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  member and he was narrating the tragedy.
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  And I was like, I can just imagine for a moment, imagine
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  this was Hanian, for example. And that really shredded my
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  heart and ripped into pieces. I imagined, OK, what about the
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  heart of Hussein, about the heart of Zainab?
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  What did they go through? And it's a reflection as well.
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  Like so many things we can learn, not just social justice.
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  In addition to that is that no matter what we go through, no
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  matter what tragedies we face, there is a bigger cause and
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  there is a bigger tragedy. And that's about Abdullah Al
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  Hussein, someone who changed the course of history, right?
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  Another thing I want to add, like you mentioned, you know,
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  you can go to the workplace. People say why do you wear black
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  and everything. Maybe I can answer it from
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  Hussein Ishii perspective. And I and I want to learn more
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  from you guys on how to answer people in the workplace, how to
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  answer people in educational settings.
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  For me, it's like if someone asks me, OK, why you wearing
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  black or why are you crying? Why do you go to Majalis?
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  And I'll be like, look for me, I know that building a connection
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  with the Imam is something great in the eyes of Allah.
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  Why I can go back and say Rasul Allah said Ahab Allah and Haba
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  Hussain, Hussain and mini Anna and Hussain.
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  So unlike a basic level, my understanding is if I want God
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  to love me, if I want the mercy of Allah, if I want Allah to
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  have my back, Allah azzawajal because my backbone I need to
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  love the ehlid Bates. But that's like on something, a
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  conversation I can have with a fellow Muslim.
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  Should a fellow. Share a faith and I know it's
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  difficult because sometimes I get asked and I find it very
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  hard to explain to someone who doesn't know what sacrifices, to
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  someone who doesn't know what kidma is, or to someone who
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  doesn't know. Why would you cry continuously
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  1400 years later? How would you explain it to
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  someone, let's say in the West, that you meet in the workplace?
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  Randomly. Now he sees you.
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  OK, now you're wearing black. Randomly now he sees you.
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  Your face is no longer joyous or sporting grief.
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  He's going to ask, is everything OK?
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  Is everything all right at home? So they may, but they don't know
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  the real story. I cannot add to that as well
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  because, because this is the reason why guys, for those who
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  are listening of why we wanted to have this segment of this
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  conversation on this day entering the season is because
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  you're going to you're going to experience this and we will
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  experience it to a degree. So understanding, is there a, a
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  best way of introducing Imam Hussein's message to people and
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  how do you do that? So like, and we are going to a
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  Western audience, yeah, as to a non Shiite, but let's forget
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  other Muslims for now, because I think that's the whole different
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  dynamic. Let's talk about non-Muslims and
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  how we approach it now, because there's things that come into my
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  mind and we're gonna do role plays.
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  OK, So I'm gonna do an elevator pitch with you guys, you know,
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  and I think that's maybe a nice place to start.
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  And I'm gonna put you on the spot.
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  Money. I'm gonna start with you.
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  OK. So yeah, sorry bro, but.
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  Thank you. Thank you for starting with.
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  It No. But listen, you are in an
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  elevator, OK? You walk in, you're wearing
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  black to Star show. You've got your scarf on and
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  everything someone says to you. I like your outfit.
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  Why are you wearing that? What do you say?
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  You've got your stopwatch ready, Empire State Building.
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  I think it's always got to start with something from the heart
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  because if it's something that's scripted, fake, it just doesn't
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  come off as authentic. And they're just thinking this
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  guy's got a well prepared answer, right?
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  It's got to start with, listen, you know, something along the
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  lines of my teacher, my guide, the biggest inspiration in my
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  life, the one that helps me through tough times, passed away
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  on this day. And it's a day where I feel
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  heartbroken every single year. And that's why we dress like
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  this. Because I'm sure if it was your
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  family member or someone that meant as much as a man called
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  Hussein Ibn Ali does to me, you would do the same.
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  You would be broken and you would be dressing in dark
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  colours or whatever signifies grief to you.
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  And it's about making sure that they understand what he means to
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  you, making sure that you've said the name.
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  I think, you know, I'm taking a look.
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  I'm I'm really imagining this elevator, by the way, with, you
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  know, like a couple of like non-muslim people in there.
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  And I'm thinking you start saying Imam Hussein Ali Salaam.
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  They haven't got a clue, have not got a clue what you've just
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  said. If you say Hussein them near
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  Ali, they probably say that sounds like a person's name.
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  Say Hussein by itself on a level people have said you, you're
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  talking about Saddam Hussein stuff for a lot, but you have to
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  clarify. It's small things like this that
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  just helps that person understand a little bit more.
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  And then maybe saying to them something along the lines of who
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  do you turn to when you know when times are hard for you?
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  And they might say, I remember my mum or I remember my school
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  teacher or I remember person X. And suddenly you both have got
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  something that you can bond with and say, OK, you went through
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  this. And they'll probably say,
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  listen, everyone's got a mum. Everyone's had a school teacher.
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  But everyone who's not Muslim has not got or may not have had
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  Hussein. And that's the moment where
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  you've got to be able to say to them, listen, let me tell you
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  about this man. And I'm telling you when you,
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  you know, I'm sure we all have done this.
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  We've we've spoken to people comes from the heart and it
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  just, and you see that, you see their demeanor change as well.
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  You know, even the most kind of hard person or the maybe the
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  most Islamophobic, but it changes and they may not want to
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  kind of like let that be known, but you can see it changes.
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  So if it comes from the heart, it will reach the heart
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  Inshallah. And at least that way you've let
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  them known about this person. The rest of it, you know, we
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  always say who is the same? The rest of it is that's God's
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  job. Our job is not here to try and
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  get people to change faith and things like that.
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  That's God's job. Ours is most definitely as an
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  organization is most certainly to let the 7 billion odd
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  non-Muslims out there know about this man.
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  So I I guess that's also, yeah, why, why?
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  Who's the saying.org has such an important role to play?
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  Because when you have that initial conversation, it's it's
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  a long history to talk about the story of the Allah Bait Alayhi
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  Musalaam. And obviously the website plays
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  a big role in further research and redirecting people to to a
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  place where they can find more and research more.
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  And you've got, you've got, you know, stuff there, you've got,
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  you know, historical stuff for people who are interested.
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  Obviously you go into the social work, obviously who's the same
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  for those who don't know, have what, over 50 odd teams around
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  the world, from Hong Kong to Mehdi in Colombia and everywhere
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  else. I know my staff who's.
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  The team before, yeah. Yeah, who's the saying and
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  saying? Ali knows this year has been has
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  my life would look completely different And Ali knows that and
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  money knows that, but it's had a profound impact on me.
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  And I truly think that comes down to whatever you give to the
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  Imam, Allah rewards in the. Terms.
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  You make a good point there, which is about some monster gave
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  a very like personal humanizing answer, which is associating and
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  what I'm saying as like a like a like a human being, right?
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  Like a real human who's in his life.
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  The alternative. What do I say the alternative or
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  the other maybe angle or the perspective is talk about the
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  values. Yeah.
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  So I I wouldn't do this in an elevator, but just like some
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  context for everyone in the world that I talk about the
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  historical context. I have been talking about a lot
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  recently and I've been thinking about this.
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  So just in the last few weeks, the European Space Agency and
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  NASA spent an sent an orbiter, like a space shuttle close to
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  the sun to get the best pictures we've ever got of the sun,
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  right? We're developing microchips,
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  processing data. There's theories in like
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  computer science that we process data every 10 years.
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  We double the speed of our learning.
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  All this kind of stuff, all that human progress is happening at
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  extraordinary speeds. One in four people go to bed
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  hungry every night. One in 11, sorry, one in four
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  people don't have access to clean water and one in 11 people
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  go to bed hungry every night. So despite our extraordinary
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  mind blowing imperceivable humanity advances as a as a
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  civilization, right? We're getting further and faster
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  every single day, whether it's AI or digital change or trend
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  technology, whatever it is we are the history of humanity is
• 19:23
  that we're very, very good at subjugating or allowing the
• 19:26
  subjugation or the eradication of the basic individual rights,
• 19:32
  liberties and amenities of the mass and the poorest of us.
• 19:38
  That's not a left field liberal. That's.
• 19:41
  Just a factual truth. We are every single one of us
• 19:44
  has a foreign deficit. These things are who minds these
• 19:49
  things like, I mean, it's it's part of our like our fundamental
• 19:52
  footprint is that we subjugate others for our own benefit and
• 19:55
  our own creed and a different the only world view I found.
• 20:01
  The only one not monarchist, not conservative, not liberal, not
• 20:06
  this, not that, nothing, not nationalist, nothing.
• 20:09
  The only world view that I found that's beyond reproach to which
• 20:13
  we should harken. The only one that I've seen, not
• 20:15
  a single blemish in which someone has been able to live a
• 20:18
  life of perfection with is this one.
• 20:20
  Because this is the guy who died thirsty, who gave water to the
• 20:22
  people who made him thirsty. I mean, this is not like it's
• 20:26
  not a book smart level of humanity.
• 20:29
  This is like literally, I will give you access to a river when
• 20:33
  I know you're going to make me die of thirst and you're going
• 20:35
  to make my kids die first and you're going to obliterate
• 20:38
  everyone I love. Like there's got to be something
• 20:41
  much greater, much greater. You know, you look at the other
• 20:45
  greats that people talk about and I'm not going to name them
• 20:47
  all, but we know the kind of people, the great heroes, the
• 20:50
  lionize people of social justice, They all have a blemish
• 20:52
  of some sort, family life, indiscretion, something this man
• 20:58
  Hussein and the people around him have got something that sets
• 21:03
  them apart. And if that worldview, if we can
• 21:06
  even take a scintilla of it and take it into our world, if we
• 21:10
  had a lot more Husseinis in this world, one in four, one in
• 21:12
  level, not be thirsty and hungry.
• 21:14
  That's my perspective. Because that man didn't let
• 21:17
  other people go thirsty even when they were his enemies.
• 21:18
  He didn't let them go thirsty. And so I don't think, I'm sorry,
• 21:22
  I don't think democracy, I don't think the neoliberal order.
• 21:25
  These are not answers. Okay.
• 21:29
  Cool Hussein. Yeah.
• 21:30
  So that's not elevated pitch. No, you mentioned a very nice
• 21:32
  point. If there was more hosseinis,
• 21:34
  there will be less people, for example, dying thirsty, going to
• 21:37
  sleep hungry. That means the world is missing
• 21:39
  Hosseini values. And this is very nice.
• 21:42
  I think what what one organization like yours does,
• 21:44
  who is for saying is like, you try to let the world know, as
• 21:48
  you said, we're not trying to convert you, we're not trying to
• 21:50
  change you, but we're making you aware of who this great man is,
• 21:54
  right? And I think, I think that's
• 21:55
  something so special. It's relevant today.
• 21:57
  It's not just a historical character.
• 21:58
  No, I'll be honest. Yeah, I was.
• 21:59
  But. You bring up Hussein alive.
• 22:01
  I I I've been at a few Gaza protests and I told to say this
• 22:08
  yeah, I, I've I was helping some friends out on on a stool.
• 22:13
  They had to talk to people about mum and Mehdi.
• 22:16
  I think that's very difficult because you're talking about a
• 22:20
  futuristic figure, a figure from the future.
• 22:23
  Well, obviously it's not is in the present.
• 22:24
  You know what I mean Somebody who will return to will to
• 22:27
  non-Muslims and you're talking about yeah shared Abrahamic all
• 22:30
  Abrahamic faiths have different things of him and it's difficult
• 22:35
  because you're talking about something that might happen.
• 22:37
  But the the value based proposition of you know the
• 22:41
  moral deficit society. Yeah yeah.
• 22:43
  What you know you talk about in the context of Gaza or any other
• 22:47
  genocide or any other atrocity. There is a lack of humanity in
• 22:52
  all regards and people then just tend to agree with you.
• 22:56
  They, they agree with you because they know that there's,
• 22:57
  there's a lack of goodness and that thing of a Muhammad Hussein
• 23:00
  Salam Allah Ali being the like epitomization and the of all
• 23:05
  things good, you know, that's goodly or godly.
• 23:09
  Whatever you want to say. Yeah, of course.
• 23:11
  Do you think our community. Does enough at the moment to let
• 23:15
  people know him. I always think to myself, I've,
• 23:18
  I've been on a, a real rant at the moment with the team and I'm
• 23:22
  like, we're so selfish as a as a as a mud hub, we're just
• 23:28
  incredibly selfish. I don't think any of us can say
• 23:31
  what have we done? OK, he's in your lineage, you're
• 23:35
  in his lineage, but what have we done to deserve this greatest
• 23:39
  gift, right? We'd all say that he is probably
• 23:42
  one of the top gifts that we've been blessed with from God.
• 23:45
  What did we do to deserve it, right?
• 23:48
  Nothing. But the best gifts in life are
• 23:52
  the ones that you share with others.
• 23:55
  I don't think we. Do I thought we go 10 days
• 23:58
  majalis? We don't let people know.
• 24:01
  People see us turning up in droves to centres in black.
• 24:05
  Wouldn't they be wondering? What?
• 24:07
  What are these not doing every year?
• 24:09
  Do we do anything when we have Majalis at home and we've got
• 24:12
  cars parked all over awfully, probably in driveways?
• 24:16
  Do we explain to our neighbors what's going on and do people?
• 24:18
  Then say well have we got to the point as a as a community 2% of
• 24:22
  the world's population are shitty up today's do people say
• 24:25
  these guys are have Hussein and and that what's makes that's
• 24:29
  what makes them better. They should be saying that they
• 24:31
  should. You know what saying?
• 24:32
  Makes them the best. There's a lot.
• 24:34
  Of this because marvel about Islam says introduce our values
• 24:37
  to people and we'll do the rest mum Salah Kali Islam says being
• 24:40
  a dormant for us and do not represent the Sunnah in an ugly
• 24:44
  fashion. I'm also paraphrasing, there's a
• 24:46
  lot of a hadith which discussed this.
• 24:49
  And of course in Azarat, how many of us Yarat, we hear about
• 24:52
  the, the, the irrigation of Imam Hussein's message.
• 24:56
  And then of course, when you get into the Al Qaidi discussion,
• 24:58
  that's a whole different thing. But from a purely like social
• 25:02
  historical humanitarian level, it makes sense.
• 25:05
  And I think we can all agree that I want to ask you a few
• 25:07
  questions, OK. And specifically in terms of
• 25:10
  rebuttals, right? So people will give rebuttals.
• 25:13
  So I'm going to throw 3 or 4 at you and I want you to come up
• 25:16
  with a response. And of course it doesn't have to
• 25:18
  be the right response, but it's your response.
• 25:20
  OK. As a caveat, firstly, you
• 25:22
  mentioned Hussein Ibn Ali and not Imam Hussein Ali Salaam.
• 25:25
  I know people around the world react differently to that.
• 25:28
  When you talk about the Holy Prophet Muhammad due to a
• 25:31
  non-muslim, do you say Prophet Muhammad or do you say Muhammad
• 25:35
  Ibn Abdullah for example? And the reason why I say that is
• 25:39
  because the you can obviously apply the same principle.
• 25:42
  My personal answer would be that the term prophet is obviously an
• 25:46
  anglicized word. And secondly, he's known in the
• 25:49
  Western world as Prophet Muhammad.
• 25:51
  But what's your response, especially to to people in our
• 25:54
  own community, as to why you think that's the best way to
• 25:57
  introduce a man person's name? Yeah.
• 26:00
  So first of all, regarding Prophet Muhammad solar, I said
• 26:03
  them first of all, there is obviously an IA in the Quran
• 26:06
  where it talks about sending it. That's the if you want to call
• 26:09
  it the Sunnah of God to send praise on on him.
• 26:13
  So there is already a a grand kind of elevation for him.
• 26:18
  There is obviously no one like him in that's lived on this
• 26:24
  earth. And when it comes to Imam
• 26:26
  Hussein, it's not really about dropping the title age because
• 26:30
  it's not not something that is important.
• 26:32
  It's first of all something that people would not understand.
• 26:37
  Prophet is also an English word, so we wouldn't say Rasul.
• 26:41
  The last of course, right, you'd say prophet.
• 26:44
  You've already translated it Imam.
• 26:47
  How would you translate the leader Hussain?
• 26:51
  Bit of a weird way to say it. First of all.
• 26:54
  The other thing is also we've made sure that we've, you know,
• 26:56
  ticked boxes. We've made sure that we've sat
• 26:58
  with scholars and asked them, listen, when we're doing it for
• 27:00
  this purpose of let's be honest, it's soft dawa, soft tabliq for
• 27:05
  that purpose, you know, unanimously the scholars have
• 27:08
  told us it's not a problem. You don't have to refer to him
• 27:11
  as imam. You don't have to say Ali Salaam
• 27:14
  after his name because if you're trying to get this over to a non
• 27:18
  Islamic, you know Western English speaking has to be.
• 27:22
  Digestible. It's got to be something else
• 27:23
  that makes. Sense to them.
• 27:26
  I mean, there's a huge difference between not a huge
• 27:29
  difference. First of all, number one, I want
• 27:30
  to emphasize what one has just said.
• 27:32
  Huge respect. We try to pay towards what the
• 27:36
  learned people in our community say #1 and be hugely respectful
• 27:40
  towards the figures we're talking about.
• 27:41
  We don't treat this figure lightly or these this this group
• 27:44
  of people lightly, always leading with respect.
• 27:47
  But context is king where the way you talk to someone in
• 27:50
  London is different to the way you talk to someone in Karachi.
• 27:53
  And you know, if someone is from a society that's very Islamic or
• 27:58
  has course, yeah, they will understand if you're going to
• 28:00
  say imam, many of these or even if you're many.
• 28:02
  People don't think about me. Yeah, yeah, they, they.
• 28:04
  May call him an imam just on that by a lot.
• 28:06
  So in in the subcontinent, in India and Pakistan, we, we
• 28:11
  encourage our teams call him as Imam Hussain because that's how
• 28:14
  he is. I'll say even in the UK, if
• 28:17
  you're speaking to a Sunni, yeah, you.
• 28:18
  You say imam, of course, Absolutely.
• 28:20
  So there's a. Big difference between Prophet
• 28:22
  and Imam, first of all, and but we're very and once people got
• 28:26
  over this shot because there's a huge shock factor at the
• 28:28
  beginning, I remember. But once, people.
• 28:30
  I don't think we hear this very much anymore, do we?
• 28:32
  No, very rarely now, yeah. Yeah.
• 28:33
  Because people have come to terms with.
• 28:35
  There's a respect. And also to respect the man is
• 28:37
  to talk about him in a way that people understand.
• 28:39
  Which is like you said, the Genesis organization is
• 28:41
  introducing us. You can't introduce someone who
• 28:43
  you know, aeronautics engineer starts talking about something
• 28:46
  very technical to someone who's a layperson.
• 28:48
  They're not gonna understand we've talked about them simply
• 28:50
  then it's due respect to his might be honest about.
• 28:52
  Something many, many years, when I first came across the
• 28:55
  organization, who's Hussein, I did find it disrespectful,
• 28:59
  Number one, I think because I'm Shiite and we've always been
• 29:03
  used to hearing Imam Al Hussein, Alayhi Salaam.
• 29:06
  So when I used to see that on, for example, marketing material
• 29:09
  and posters and things like that, I'm like, OK, where's the
• 29:11
  imam? You're a Shia organization,
• 29:13
  where's the Alayhi Salaam? And I think it took years, I
• 29:16
  think for me to process, but that this is Tablif, not to us,
• 29:19
  It's not a Shia. Organization.
• 29:20
  I would counsel that, bro, it's an organization honestly, and
• 29:23
  I'm going to gain. We've trained Ahmed well.
• 29:25
  Yeah, yeah, I. Don't think it is, genuinely
• 29:27
  speaking. It's not even Trey Rose.
• 29:29
  Are you confusing? Me.
• 29:30
  No, no, listen. To this bro.
• 29:32
  The. Organization founded, started
• 29:35
  run exists. Shia OK Shia belief system, Shia
• 29:38
  theology, share everything by the Shia Imam Hussein.
• 29:42
  The way you talk about him is the way Shia would speak about
• 29:43
  him, not the way anyone else would speak about him.
• 29:45
  However, the whole point of the organization is to make Imam
• 29:48
  Hussein's message global. When Imam and Mahdi returns, do
• 29:52
  I need to say it? Three out of there you go.
• 29:56
  Three out of the five statements that he says between the rocket
• 29:59
  and the macam about saying my grandfather was the one who died
• 30:03
  at chant this, all of that stuff is, you know, when you're doing.
• 30:05
  Messaging in any organization, in any any context, it's by who
• 30:09
  and for who, By Shia, by lovers of Abdullah, for Universal.
• 30:15
  Sorry. In the organization, people
• 30:16
  laugh. I talk about John and Lucy.
• 30:18
  John and Lucy are the people who listen to this.
• 30:20
  If John and Lucy don't know what we're talking about because
• 30:22
  we're not talking about the way they understand, Yeah, don't
• 30:24
  bother talking. Got to talk about the way people
• 30:26
  understand. And that's part of our, our even
• 30:29
  if you look at Rasulullah, the way he talked at the beginning
• 30:30
  of his mission, very different, the way he talks to the end.
• 30:34
  There's a journey that people go on and eventually when people.
• 30:36
  Get adaptation to cultural the differences by the way, the
• 30:40
  disparities between but without. Compromising on core values,
• 30:43
  tenets, and of course, of course not going beyond the the lines
• 30:48
  of fake. That's something that we don't
• 30:50
  ever compromise on. But the scholars that we speak
• 30:53
  to also understand that, yes, there are certain areas where
• 30:57
  it's not a hard and fast rule. So and that I appreciate the
• 31:01
  fact that you're being honest and you're just saying that,
• 31:03
  look, it was a bit difficult as a as a she at the beginning to
• 31:06
  really kind of like get with this.
• 31:08
  But that's the bit where I come back to look, as long as you're
• 31:11
  not transgressing Fick, let's not be selfish.
• 31:13
  Don't keep him as Imam Al Hussein to John and Lucy,
• 31:17
  because they're not going to understand it and why we're
• 31:19
  going to deprive them of this gift.
• 31:20
  And people are smart, you know? Like when I when I have the
• 31:22
  opportunity to to go to our events and part of our events
• 31:26
  is, you know, if you're feeding people on the street of London,
• 31:28
  you've got a stall, right. People walk past and they'll
• 31:31
  talk to you. What's this?
• 31:32
  What's this? And people understand Hussein is
• 31:34
  not a normal name for them. They understand it's and they
• 31:38
  often will ask, is he a religious figure?
• 31:40
  That's the question you asked a lot.
• 31:41
  Or was he a leader or something like that?
• 31:44
  Straight away? He was the grandson.
• 31:45
  The Prophet Muhammad is usually the first sentence I say, OK, so
• 31:48
  there's no like there was an issue.
• 31:50
  Like, do we tiptoe around it? No, own up to it.
• 31:52
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 31:52
  It's from that, that lineage that these divine godly morals
• 31:58
  emerge. But that doesn't mean it's
• 32:00
  limited to people who pray in this direction, who are this
• 32:03
  colour, who have these names. No, this is a universal figure.
• 32:06
  Rahmatullah Al Amin is not Rama for Shias, Rama for everyone.
• 32:10
  And this is the grandson of that man.
• 32:12
  And in the same way, he is a blessing upon all of creation.
• 32:16
  And that's why let me ask you a question.
• 32:19
  If you don't mind, OK, do you think because obviously we, we
• 32:23
  obviously try our level and humble best to, to, to try and
• 32:28
  talk about the, the, the story of Muhammad Hussein, the lessons
• 32:32
  from Muhammad Hussein. Obviously our target audience is
• 32:35
  Muslim, specifically Shia. So it's a different mission.
• 32:38
  Our goal, one of our many goals is to unite the Shia across the
• 32:41
  world, regardless of ideal ideological backgrounds and
• 32:45
  whatnot, demographics. Our goal is to unite people
• 32:47
  under the banner of, of Imama and banner of Daahid and
• 32:50
  obviously the Quran as well. Now, when we talk about Imam
• 32:55
  Hussein, we do it very differently, right?
• 32:58
  But when we talk about Man Hussain to the wider audience,
• 33:04
  do you think there's a place for comparison with other social
• 33:10
  justice movements? So for example, Black Lives
• 33:13
  Matter or for example, Palestine and what's happening there or
• 33:19
  many others which I'm not even going to mention.
• 33:21
  Some of which may be morally compromising or filky, like in
• 33:26
  terms of Jews prudentially compromising.
• 33:28
  For example, someone may turn around and say, and we've seen a
• 33:32
  growing trend saying, why do you not talk about social justice
• 33:37
  issues like the LGBTQ movement, right?
• 33:41
  Or for example, with Black Lives Matter, there's elements of
• 33:46
  controversy surrounding the movement.
• 33:48
  So do you think it's right or wrong to include discussions on
• 33:53
  other social justice movements when talking about Mom percent
• 33:55
  or is the exclusive from that? I don't think if I can answer as
• 33:59
  is it right or wrong? I think as a Shiite, as a Shia
• 34:04
  Muslim, for me it's if I want to, for example, compare social
• 34:08
  justice figures, or if I want to compare certain things that we
• 34:12
  see happening around the world. This let's relate to today.
• 34:15
  For example, something being unrelated to what's happening in
• 34:17
  Raza, for example, the certain elements where I can say, OK,
• 34:20
  for example, there's like a Hosseini vibe, a Hosseini
• 34:24
  inspiration. Why not by all means, and I and
• 34:27
  I and I encourage that. But I think the moment, like you
• 34:30
  mentioned, the examples of LGBTQ and things like this, these are
• 34:33
  things Imam Hussein is not going to stand for.
• 34:34
  Of course, these are things that are so Allah is not going to
• 34:36
  encourage us to go support and back for.
• 34:39
  So I, I think that we have to like find the balance, OK, If I
• 34:42
  want to stand for something and support something and use Imam
• 34:45
  Hussein's name to compare social injustices around the world, I
• 34:50
  think you have to think twice. But I would say something if I
• 34:54
  can't add to this question is that I've, I've, I've always
• 34:58
  wondered like, why does, who is Hossein use, for example, Randy
• 35:02
  alone? Why do, why does the name Martin
• 35:06
  Luther King come out very, very often?
• 35:09
  And I have conversations with friends and I share this with
• 35:11
  you now. And they say this is wrong.
• 35:13
  They say we can never compare Hossein to these sort of
• 35:16
  figures. You wait to compare.
• 35:18
  Yeah, and I and I say. No problem.
• 35:20
  But no one's comparing, right? There is no comparison saying
• 35:23
  they are the Hussein. They are, for example, Malcolm
• 35:27
  X. Greta, whoever else there was,
• 35:29
  there was this. Debate, I was having this weeks
• 35:32
  ago, weeks ago. It was aha.
• 35:38
  So this was the discussion that people are saying organisations
• 35:43
  like who is Hussein, not just your exclusive.
• 35:45
  There are others down in this field, right?
• 35:49
  They feel in a way lots of members in the Shia community,
• 35:52
  they feel such organisations are trying to replace Majalis, are
• 35:58
  trying to replace Aza, are trying to replace XYZ.
• 36:02
  My, my, my. Counter to that was this is not
• 36:06
  a replacement. This is in addition correct.
• 36:09
  Yeah. They're not telling you no.
• 36:10
  Don't go beat your chest, fob Artilla.
• 36:12
  They're not going telling you no, come, let's go on a March.
• 36:16
  Let's go make a stall in, I don't know, central London and
• 36:18
  don't go to mention this. They're not saying that.
• 36:21
  They're not even reaching out to you.
• 36:22
  This is something they do in addition.
• 36:24
  So how it just goes back? To this idea of don't be
• 36:27
  selfish, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna say why do we have to
• 36:30
  keep him in those four walls of the Hussein yard or the
• 36:34
  massaged? Why do we keep him only there?
• 36:36
  And why for only us? And why for only our majalis,
• 36:39
  which we've had for decades, you know that shocker that we've
• 36:44
  we've had majalis. You have 10 nights.
• 36:47
  Is it not possible that in addition to those ten nights or
• 36:51
  outside of those ten nights, can't you share him with other
• 36:56
  people who maybe through you God can gift Imam Hussein to these
• 37:01
  people? Like I said to you.
• 37:02
  Before, we didn't do anything to deserve him, right?
• 37:05
  So why can't we share him at the end of the day?
• 37:10
  This this. Idea of why do we use other?
• 37:15
  Again, these people are not going to understand.
• 37:18
  If you say to them Imam was saying is the most amazing thing
• 37:21
  Imam was saying is your savior. You're going to say unlike an
• 37:24
  evangelist, you know they're not going to understand.
• 37:27
  Should I tell you what the argument?
• 37:28
  Was just so that I think you can understand maybe you can
• 37:30
  actually give a response to these individuals is that they
• 37:32
  say when organizations such as Hussain, when they speak about
• 37:37
  Abdullah, when they talk about Karbala, when they talk about
• 37:39
  the tragedy of Ashura, they only select OK social injustice,
• 37:44
  fighting tyranny, fighting evil and corruption, right, as
• 37:48
  opposed to. As opposed to.
• 37:50
  The real message right about that embarks on the journey
• 37:53
  towards Kufa and Karbala. Not sure.
• 37:55
  What happened where? Where Imam Hassan, he came out
• 37:58
  to revive them, to restore the teachings of his grandfather of
• 38:01
  Swallah. Why is this like not mentioned
• 38:04
  in your propagation? So let's let's go.
• 38:05
  Through it, there's loads of very, very good points you've
• 38:08
  made #1. Because there's a primary cause.
• 38:12
  Let's go back to the question about.
• 38:14
  Replacing Majalis, the inception of who's the saying in large
• 38:16
  part, I love for moms and comes from Majalis.
• 38:18
  And by the way, we are not not attending Majalis.
• 38:20
  By the way, yeah #1 #2 there are many forms of media, right?
• 38:24
  You can practice on different levels.
• 38:26
  One can read a book 1 can have a conversation with a friend.
• 38:30
  One can attend event. Who's the saying is about in
• 38:33
  many parts about restoring dignity for the downtrodden.
• 38:36
  That's why we have a domestic violence refuge in Dallas,
• 38:40
  Dallas, TX. Yep.
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  Why on the streets of London and Birmingham basically five days a
• 38:46
  week we're doing a soup kitchen or food drive.
• 38:48
  It's why if you go to a school in Chicago and you can't afford
• 38:52
  school supplies to for your kids, you're going to get given
• 38:54
  a backpack with hers saying. It's why in Mumbai you're going
• 38:57
  to get food for a long period of time.
• 38:59
  It's why if you're an orphan in crotch, you get taken to a mall
• 39:02
  of happiness where you can take anything you want without having
• 39:05
  to pay, because an orphan should have the joy of being treated to
• 39:08
  a shopping experience makes be very emotional thinking of that.
• 39:10
  These are the and I said, I said down dignity for downtrodden
• 39:14
  dignity. Where's that word come from?
• 39:16
  Karama comes from and I'm saying that's the word that uses again
• 39:18
  and again and again an inextricably linked you cannot
• 39:21
  talk about what I'm saying without talking about dignity.
• 39:24
  Whatever the poor English translation of Karam is, let's
• 39:26
  call it dignity or honor or basic.
• 39:28
  We'd probably say to use a phrase like basic, individual
• 39:32
  respect and dignity is what who's the saying is about?
• 39:35
  Who's the saying? You can't follow this man and
• 39:38
  allow your neighbor, whatever the definition of neighbor is,
• 39:41
  to be hungry, scared, anxious, nervous, worried, concerned
• 39:45
  about their well-being or their children's well-being or their
• 39:47
  parents well-being is. You can't be saying without
• 39:49
  doing that. You can't just go to Majoris and
• 39:51
  you know the whole thing about Rasullah 40 neighbors.
• 39:54
  You know, without having conserve your neighbors, you
• 39:55
  can't be a Mormon. This is very Hosseini in its
• 39:58
  orientation. Yeah.
• 39:59
  We cannot be Hosseini without ensuring the well-being of our
• 40:02
  society. The betterment of our society is
• 40:05
  at the kernel and the heart of everything to do with the Mama
• 40:08
  Hussein. You take that away from Mama
• 40:10
  Hussein. What is it?
• 40:11
  We're going to the Majalas for? Mama Hussein died.
• 40:14
  Guide for the betterment of them as you said that is at the heart
• 40:16
  of what hosts the same tries to do tries our best to do it's not
• 40:19
  about superficial work either it's about changing people 's
• 40:23
  lives the better if in the welfare state or in the the the
• 40:26
  the the social dynamic yeah the the the the the horizon you're
• 40:32
  looking at if there's a gap who's the same we'll try and
• 40:34
  fill it that's what we're. Not add to what you're saying
• 40:36
  Ali just and what you're saying so because you talked about
• 40:40
  something interesting you talked about primary and secondary
• 40:42
  causes of all your mom Ali salamis lafi.
• 40:44
  Deena jeddi yeah the the Reformation of the Dean of my
• 40:48
  grandfather which I understand or he'd being a primary mission
• 40:51
  and of course the secondary missions you know there could be
• 40:54
  many now I think the way any propagation organization who's
• 41:00
  the same or others should approach it and I think they do
• 41:03
  to be honest is scientifically so for example and what money
• 41:06
  said about not being selfish bro how many friends I we spoke
• 41:09
  about one of my friends before we start recording who's not
• 41:11
  Muslim. Who became Muslim became Shia
• 41:14
  because of Islam and now you get 10s of vaginas with us right why
• 41:18
  deprive others when they could have the chance of wilaya and
• 41:21
  like you know what I mean for forever for their lineage to
• 41:24
  come bro that's the fact and by the way let me just say 3 out of
• 41:27
  4 of us wouldn't be Shia had it not been for Mamas in Islam
• 41:30
  because of our ancestors who became Shia because of Mamas and
• 41:34
  mashallah look at the hundreds of thousands and not even that
• 41:37
  millions of people around the world who are that the 300
• 41:39
  1,000,000 Shias existed because of at the time you know when
• 41:42
  they? Imam himself only has 72 bro
• 41:45
  look where we are now as an uma that's what I'm trying to say so
• 41:48
  I think they approach it scientifically so they say
• 41:50
  obviously the end goal yet after all the research the historical
• 41:55
  is the Enlightenment understanding don't read matter
• 41:58
  for of the imam on an ID level. I think that's the end end goal
• 42:02
  and I know there's this newsletter process 8 weeks right
• 42:04
  88 months of news I don't if that's so you're talking about
• 42:07
  when people sign up for information about this sign up
• 42:09
  for an information pack eventually we have someones
• 42:12
  really interested. Yeah they get taken on a
• 42:15
  reversion process right without me saying this I know I don't
• 42:19
  have to no no it's it's. Literally who is the saying like
• 42:21
  who is the saying at the end of the process where they can
• 42:24
  ultimately come no no no yeah we're not we're not on a mission
• 42:27
  by the way let's be very clear yeah I handle that if people
• 42:29
  find if whatever people find you you said I get what you're
• 42:33
  saying you. Said this which is.
• 42:34
  Introduce us and we'll take care to paraphrase yes yeah and we
• 42:37
  are just trying to introduce and then and then add meat on the
• 42:39
  bone which is to say and and not just make it an ephemeral like
• 42:42
  bumpus you know there's. Just stick as people put on
• 42:44
  their laptops like B like Hussein it's about like
• 42:46
  literally if I have a moral. Dilemma in my life what would
• 42:49
  Hussein do yeah what would a bra do as well as that it's just
• 42:52
  like I said scientifically statistically speaking the more
• 42:55
  people you show a website who is Hussein the domain is a question
• 42:59
  bro like you showed that domain to 10,000 people 1% 5 10%
• 43:04
  whatever it is trickle down I'll.
• 43:05
  Be curious like what is. That I think the other thing.
• 43:07
  To to also remember or realize is.
• 43:11
  Think of it this way if we are able to show X 1,000,000 of
• 43:17
  people about imam Hussein when the hudja when he does return
• 43:21
  and he introduces himself and if you have got people who already
• 43:25
  know who imam Hussein is and he says I am the grandson of first
• 43:31
  of all they've already associated the name Hussein with
• 43:33
  goodness and are more likely to be soft towards the imams.
• 43:37
  Message but not only that but if we're trying to and this is kind
• 43:41
  of like our motto which is creating compassionate
• 43:43
  communities inspired by Hussein Ibn Ali if we can soften hearts
• 43:48
  if we can get people to become better versions of themselves
• 43:51
  when the imam comes back inshallah we have made the job
• 43:54
  just that little bit easier whereby hearts are more soft and
• 43:58
  they can understand his message. Which is ultimately the same
• 44:02
  thing which is the the Dean and the result and the result of
• 44:07
  Muhammad so can I ask you guys a question?
• 44:09
  Do you think also global society is in moral decay of course
• 44:12
  100%? Do you think it's been?
• 44:14
  Immoral decay is new phenomena it's been moral decay for a long
• 44:17
  time bro this is the start. Of mankind moral and pabil a.
• 44:23
  Lot punished. Societies because of moral decay
• 44:25
  what what is the. What's the antidote for that?
• 44:31
  Islamic. Relations Islamic principle
• 44:33
  higher values. Yeah yeah yeah what.
• 44:36
  In the world. Today gives anyone higher values
• 44:39
  because right now as far as I'm concerned there's good the few
• 44:42
  things there are is capitalism that happens to be good good
• 44:44
  capitalism virtuous capitalism accidentally people would do
• 44:48
  moral things because CSR is good to do what else maybe some forms
• 44:52
  of religion but The thing is there's good.
• 44:53
  And then there's real good right right see what.
• 44:56
  I mean so there's. Trivial levels of goodness
• 44:58
  benevolence benevolence and then there's levels of.
• 45:01
  Of goodness which is innate and transcends everything which is
• 45:04
  physical it's do you know what I mean I think this is where you
• 45:06
  get. This debate of goodliness versus
• 45:09
  godliness right. Yes and that's.
• 45:11
  What makes imam Hussein stand out about when we talk about
• 45:16
  these comparisons it's very superficial comparisons because
• 45:21
  we know as those who are either part of the organization or
• 45:26
  generally as as she is we know? There is no comparison to him
• 45:31
  exclusively him of course the Alan bait in general that that's
• 45:34
  a different I mean outside of the.
• 45:35
  Fault yeah. And the thing that separates him
• 45:40
  is the fact that he did all of this for the most purest and
• 45:45
  selfless reasons that can possibly exist and that is for
• 45:48
  God you can't get anything that is more selfless and more pure
• 45:53
  than when you give everything that you can for his sake.
• 45:58
  But that is a very easy or yeah an easy thing for Shias who have
• 46:02
  been brought up in this month up to be able to say and maybe I
• 46:06
  don't claim to say that I've understood it but to be able to
• 46:09
  to somehow you know get with but for somebody who is perhaps an
• 46:12
  atheist that is 1,000,000 miles away and they're going to need a
• 46:16
  few steps from us to make that a little bit more of a gentle
• 46:19
  process. As far as I'm concerned.
• 46:22
  I think I think our children all of us have children yeah or our
• 46:26
  children are going to ask us in 40 years time.
• 46:28
  How is your generation allowed a live genocide to be broadcast a
• 46:32
  live genocide has been broadcast every single day no one all goes
• 46:37
  by without more updates on this live genocide what on earth has
• 46:40
  happened to our world where not only is it live broadcast but
• 46:44
  the flames are being found by the most powerful forces of our
• 46:48
  very earth of our very structures every single
• 46:53
  structure of society? The corporate capital private
• 46:56
  sector public sector is fanning the flames of it all in that
• 46:59
  favour what has happened to our World War I agree with that that
• 47:02
  has allowed it to get to the point where people are literally
• 47:04
  like lusting to your blood do you know what the most powerful
• 47:07
  I think I think I think what what what both of you have
• 47:09
  mentioned about the goodliness and the godliness and the fact
• 47:13
  that there's a process we have to go through it and if that
• 47:15
  means can making. The the tragedy of mum Hussein
• 47:20
  somewhat contemporarily accessible and relevant so be it
• 47:24
  she asked about Gandhi. That's exactly right and if it
• 47:26
  means it's a point of access doesn't need we're not saying
• 47:28
  equal not an end goal it's not and let me give example this but
• 47:31
  I say that example of Gaza right so the first time has happened
• 47:34
  you guys heard about the Belgium massacre of Congo.
• 47:36
  Yes right heart of darkness now all this the region of that is
• 47:40
  king Leopold the second massacring the Congolese to
• 47:42
  profit do you know that guy did king Leopold the second he set
• 47:45
  up a company a corporation he set up site basically set up
• 47:48
  site called Oxfam right imagine Oxfam today and he said to
• 47:51
  everyone guys would you all the international community will you
• 47:53
  come and support Oxfam while I do this work in Congo except he
• 47:56
  called it Oxfam essentially is what he did so he deceived
• 47:59
  people into thinking it's a charitable organization it was a
• 48:02
  private corporation that he profited from destroyed tribes
• 48:05
  in Congo. He put money in his back pocket
• 48:08
  that was this we're talking about hundreds of years ago
• 48:11
  humanity 's been destroying itself eating itself in a
• 48:15
  cannibalistic way for profit and greed and self promotion for as
• 48:20
  long as we can think something as far as I'm because I've
• 48:23
  arrived this basic conclusion my kids are going to ask me this
• 48:26
  question their kids are going to ask them that question their
• 48:28
  kids are going to ask them the same question which is how did
• 48:30
  your generation allow this nonsense this filth.
• 48:33
  To happen but you know what like.
• 48:35
  We we something has to change and that's I do think that like
• 48:41
  like there's a lot of noise around us right in the wild and
• 48:44
  there's a lot of like nonsense as well at the end of it when we
• 48:48
  enter these nights of muharram and we just reflect we just
• 48:51
  remember imam Hussein was khalib and he died of khalib and that
• 48:54
  loneliness of the imam and you think what did he think in that
• 48:58
  moment and you think of. Fun out and sacrifice and it
• 49:02
  jihad and all of these things that the imam gave to Allah that
• 49:06
  was the the greatest you know I mean he gave his his soul for
• 49:10
  his Lord and that ultimately is the greatest goodness that
• 49:13
  becomes godliness and I think that's such a beautiful way to
• 49:16
  think of it because there's superficial goodness that you
• 49:19
  see around and yeah that's feeding a guy and donning blood
• 49:21
  and haircuts that's free and. These are like you said
• 49:24
  introductions they're keys to enter a door where you learn
• 49:28
  about godliness and you learn about giving more than yourself
• 49:32
  do you know what I mean what imam Hussain Salaam Allah Ali
• 49:35
  what he did was greater than just giving his life he gave
• 49:39
  everything he gave his reputation he gave.
• 49:42
  You know the name of his family you know just like we're
• 49:45
  recording this guys before mahara has begun and obviously
• 49:48
  before the episode comes out and we're in the days just after the
• 49:52
  shahada hazard Muslim alayi Salaam and you think about even
• 49:55
  from hazard Muslim right so he sent his cousin to go on a
• 50:00
  scouting mission and his cousin went even what hazard Muslim
• 50:03
  alayi Salaam did himself was just like unthinkable he's I
• 50:08
  will go to a faraway land. Because I love my cousin imam
• 50:12
  Hussein I know he's the imam of my time and ultimately I know
• 50:15
  that he's the Hajj of Allah and he went there and he went and he
• 50:19
  was alone there he was khalib there he thought there's a
• 50:22
  greater goodness here and when he was obviously on the rooftop
• 50:25
  and they gave him the drink of water and it the blood fell into
• 50:28
  the water and he couldn't drink it this this is Allah 's will
• 50:31
  ultimately when we think of all of these stories in the context
• 50:34
  of imam Hussein and you have that inside you that emotion and
• 50:37
  that raw love that passion. When you speak about imam and
• 50:40
  Hussein to anyone around you it will always come back to that
• 50:44
  you know you can talk about all the the the charity staff and
• 50:48
  all of the all of these like acts of kindness ultimately when
• 50:51
  you get into a conversation with anyone you will always get back
• 50:55
  to that because you know that it's more than just all you know
• 50:59
  the guy he gave up his life and it was more than that you know
• 51:03
  like even if you were to speak to someone yeah if you had a one
• 51:06
  hour conversation me and Ali obviously work together?
• 51:09
  We have a few non-Muslims who we work with who ask us on a yearly
• 51:11
  basis why you guys taking this day off work both of you have
• 51:14
  set your whole you know days off you're going to majalis or
• 51:18
  whatever you're going to the mosque you're wearing black
• 51:20
  black right so we go through that process that conversation
• 51:23
  process not mashallah our colleagues know what the deal is
• 51:26
  you know but it's it's it's like it comes out you know it comes
• 51:31
  out and you can't contain it. Do you see what I mean no I know
• 51:34
  I know what you? Mean and I really love the point
• 51:36
  you mentioned as well about Muslim because it reminds us you
• 51:40
  know IMAP Hussein called ethiquity like you you are my
• 51:43
  trusted one right but what struck struck me right now when
• 51:46
  you mentioned the story is that he was an ambassador to imam
• 51:49
  Hussein right he did what we. We should you know we're the
• 51:52
  same way of like yeah we try we try to aspire to be there bro
• 51:56
  and I think. And I&I think that's critical
• 51:58
  because we can all become ambassadors of about an
• 52:01
  organisations like he was Hussein this is.
• 52:03
  One avenue one road that we can take towards this path and and I
• 52:07
  think something that's very nice that there's a previous
• 52:09
  discussion we've had here I think we were talking about the
• 52:13
  life of our soul Allah sallallahu alaihi wasallam and
• 52:15
  one of the points that was mentioned is that when you
• 52:17
  interact with non-Muslims when you interact with people who
• 52:20
  have no faith possibly atheist maybe Christians Jews whoever
• 52:25
  they are. They don't know who rasul Allah
• 52:28
  is they haven't met him they haven't read his Sierra they
• 52:32
  haven't picked up the Quran we represent Islam and our beloved
• 52:35
  messenger so. In many ways.
• 52:40
  This Is Us and Charlotte representing about his values
• 52:42
  his principles his stances why he went there what happened what
• 52:46
  took place these are all little things I think that we can
• 52:48
  positively impact the world which is something the world 's
• 52:51
  missing out if you're an ambassador of.
• 52:52
  Somewhere representative of someone you're a mirror yeah you
• 52:55
  have to mirror them exactly you can be no differentiation
• 52:59
  between the original and the and the not even the replica the
• 53:02
  second and if there is a difference then it's means that
• 53:06
  something is wrong that means there must be a fault.
• 53:09
  We can't allow ourselves to be a faulty representation of that
• 53:12
  man if we're going to name our children Ali Hassan Hussain
• 53:16
  Zainab Fatima then we have a huge burden and responsibility
• 53:19
  on ourselves to put our best foot forward and do our level
• 53:23
  best to make the better of everything around us to make the
• 53:28
  best of it number one and number 2 allow us to be a magnet for
• 53:32
  the true magnificence of those personalities otherwise we've
• 53:36
  fallen short. And that's the burden the gift
• 53:38
  the gift comes with that responsibility that's the that's
• 53:41
  the quid pro quo could I. Ask like with all this being
• 53:43
  said this is all good work we all recommend you for everything
• 53:47
  that you do and inshallah give to a feek for the entire team
• 53:50
  around the world public say can I ask has anything gone wrong
• 53:53
  during all of this past years like you would change or just
• 53:58
  very briefly because I'm one I'm sure because you're dealing with
• 54:00
  you mean. He means interaction yeah like
• 54:03
  for. Example doesn't feel at times
• 54:05
  this may become a sales pitch. When you're speaking to
• 54:08
  non-Muslims he means the? Interactions not internally as a
• 54:10
  team yeah yeah sorry yeah yeah. That's a really good question
• 54:18
  OK. Do you mind sorry because me and
• 54:20
  money worked together and who was the same my role was I used
• 54:24
  to work with the teams obviously I had a lot of stories Long
• 54:29
  story short bro there was obviously issues that the teams
• 54:32
  themselves had yeah a big one was hijab?
• 54:35
  So can I talk about imam Hussein if my hijab or brothers or
• 54:39
  sisters mainly sisters in that conversation you know is there
• 54:43
  an issue there representing the Allah bait talking about the
• 54:46
  Allah bait no that's one thing another thing was just from what
• 54:51
  I remember obviously you guys will have live and active
• 54:54
  stories. People will say there are so
• 54:56
  many martyrs in history why does this matter only 72 died what
• 54:59
  about the millions here the hundreds of thousands there you
• 55:02
  know that's obviously a numerical you know thing and
• 55:04
  whatnot but there are obviously rebuttals which I said earlier
• 55:07
  there's a lot of rebuttals that people give in interaction.
• 55:11
  Each of these. Rebuttals has answers a lot of
• 55:14
  the things that these teams do which are amazing.
• 55:16
  Is they do training internal training with new volunteers
• 55:19
  that come on board they they give them these FAQs people ask
• 55:23
  OK right so obviously you have to do your reading you have to
• 55:26
  understand them all per say and you have to understand what it
• 55:27
  was historically and spiritually as well and then obviously
• 55:31
  common FAQs that the public have as well right yeah?
• 55:35
  Look I think in any organization organizational stuff you're
• 55:39
  always going to have things that you learn from there's always
• 55:41
  going to be things you could improve.
• 55:43
  You've asked in terms of like the actual dissemination and the
• 55:47
  interactions yeah. But it's a unique way of
• 55:50
  propagating it absolutely is. I humbly wouldn't say anything
• 55:54
  has gone wrong inshallah but I think things could be better
• 56:02
  because again remember that target number at the moment as
• 56:06
  we hear in 20257 billion right people that we need to get
• 56:10
  through to. And all of these people
• 56:12
  different races different ethnicities different cultures
• 56:16
  different religions no religion different walks of life you know
• 56:21
  they've had different things they've grown up with difficult
• 56:23
  to speak to all of these people in a way that is going to
• 56:26
  definitely hit home you may have a way an elevator pitch that I'm
• 56:29
  thinking in my head that you know that would work on that
• 56:32
  person you know I've worked at a school for example where it's
• 56:35
  worked on people I've you know I've.
• 56:38
  I've sent out those emails every year before asherah to say
• 56:41
  there's going to be loads of the school hours that had loads of
• 56:43
  Iraqis so like listen 10% of the school is going to be off
• 56:46
  tomorrow and after 5 years I've seen that e-mail they're like
• 56:50
  look who's this Hussein Gray yeah.
• 56:53
  I'm. In I can chat to you for ages
• 56:57
  but it's very it is a tall challenge to try and find a way
• 57:01
  that you can really make sure that every one of our
• 57:04
  representatives as Ahmed said in those different ways.
• 57:07
  First of all does the job of being an ambassador and does it
• 57:11
  in a way that you can actually deliver the message and hit it
• 57:15
  home so that you've you just made that message land again
• 57:19
  back to the what happens with the religious journey that's in
• 57:23
  God's hand we're here to just make sure that you learn about
• 57:26
  this man and this is a step for you this is a gift you know that
• 57:30
  you can take with you so I think things can be better.
• 57:35
  And you know we need more resources and maybe more support
• 57:38
  etcetera sure but I don't think I'll come there till today
• 57:42
  anything has gone wrong or devastatingly well maybe there's
• 57:45
  one or 2 things that have gone wrong that we're not aware of
• 57:47
  but nothing that has been like Oh my God this is an absolute
• 57:49
  disaster always a work in. Progress right but we've I can
• 57:54
  say hand on hand we've done our best the best of our knowledge
• 57:56
  and God has given us so much grace God I lost once has been
• 57:59
  so merciful to us we see examples.
• 58:03
  Every single campaign season every year of God 's hand of of
• 58:09
  just like mercy and rahma for us.
• 58:13
  I think the point monsters are made about regionalizing and
• 58:16
  understanding like for example if you're Nike if you say just
• 58:18
  do it it's very hard to misunderstand just do it because
• 58:20
  you reduce something to like a slogan and say you say just do
• 58:23
  it in angora and you say just do it in Albania OK fine it's 3
• 58:27
  words you can't go wrong with it but if you talk about a
• 58:29
  historical figure laced with religious symbolism in people 's
• 58:33
  second language right from east to West I I talk to someone in.
• 58:37
  Glasgow differently talked to someone in London forget talking
• 58:40
  to someone in the you know East Coast versus talking to someone
• 58:43
  in you know Dhaka Bangladesh completely and so the ability to
• 58:47
  make that conversation common denominator without losing and
• 58:51
  without losing deep powerful life changing meaning is very
• 58:54
  hard and that's a journey we've had to mature on.
• 58:57
  And there's I'll be honest there's good faith actors and
• 59:00
  bad faith actors who who are sometimes take misunderstand
• 59:02
  what we try to do good faith actors and bad faith actors I'm
• 59:05
  saying both mostly good faith actors but understandably people
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  can misconstrue because people are protective of this man who
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  means so much to them which is very understandable and it's
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  very emotional right you don't talk about my saying that way I
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  understand that and also let's be honest we're all human we're
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  all prone to error so if someone does or says something in one
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  place. I'm not excluding myself from
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  this then it's representative of an organization which is now
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  counting itself as many thousands of volunteers in 60
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  cities in 26 countries of across 5 continents yeah.
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  And if someone. Wants to join this is the same
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  team how how do they go great gift.
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  Who's the same get involved get go to the get involved section
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  e-mail what way more saying? Yes.
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  Or just go. Just go to who's the same.org go
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  to the get involved section it will take you through it we will
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  get the e-mail and we will reach out to uniform and we'll find
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  your local. Team on Facebook or Instagram
• 59:58
  whatever so if I can. If I can say a couple things
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  these guys know how much but they probably don't know how
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  much they mean to me how much you mean to me through my 3 old
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  brothers Mel God bless you all likewise how much the 3 of you
• 1:00:10
  inspire me how much you've all done for me individually and
• 1:00:13
  collectively as well but what who's the same does is?
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  Unique, irreplaceable. I'd say we would be behind as a
• 1:00:21
  Western Shire community. How do we not had Hussain and
• 1:00:25
  the team there, the brothers and sisters around the world to work
• 1:00:29
  like tirelessly. Allah knows how much they've put
• 1:00:32
  into it. And for anyone who's listening
• 1:00:35
  and who, for anyone who can relate or resonate with what
• 1:00:39
  you've heard today, please check it out.
• 1:00:41
  Visit hussain.org. Read the resources first hand,
• 1:00:45
  support whatever you can. hussein.org/donate.
• 1:00:49
  The money that is spent goes like only towards good causes
• 1:00:53
  and I've seen that as a donor. I've I've donated to Hussein
• 1:00:56
  myself for years, initially at gunpoint but because I'm joking
• 1:01:01
  I'm still at gunpoint. He's just.
• 1:01:02
  Donating. You can't.
• 1:01:02
  See the as in my brothers and my boys?
• 1:01:05
  No, I'm joking, but no, no, as in you know, the money's going
• 1:01:09
  in the right places. And finally, of course, become a
• 1:01:12
  Rep for Hussein to support them. Join your local team.
• 1:01:15
  You probably have a local team where you live.
• 1:01:16
  Go and join them now. If you're not what you're doing,
• 1:01:18
  why listen to aftermarket? You're an hour in.
• 1:01:20
  You love Imam Hussein, but you're not part of your Hussein
• 1:01:22
  team. This organization doesn't do to
• 1:01:24
  us. Can I shamelessly add?
• 1:01:25
  One more thing please please. Hussein.org.
• 1:01:27
  Forward slash share If you go on today, we've prepared a load of
• 1:01:31
  resources for people. They're pre made tweets,
• 1:01:34
  LinkedIn posts, Instagram posts. We're even going to be uploading
• 1:01:38
  school assemblies. There's loads of lines, yeah.
• 1:01:41
  Shops and there's. Loads of things on there.
• 1:01:43
  Please go on to whosthesame.org/share and just
• 1:01:49
  let people know your colleagues, your neighbors, your friends,
• 1:01:52
  whatever it is, let them know about Imam Hussain.
• 1:01:54
  Let them know the night before. Why are you going to be maybe
• 1:01:58
  taking a day off or closing the shop or wearing black for the
• 1:02:01
  day? Let people know.
• 1:02:03
  This is a gift that God has given to you.
• 1:02:05
  Don't keep it to yourself. Please, beautiful, I said.
• 1:02:07
  Any last words? Anyone listening especially
• 1:02:09
  entering out the nights tomorrow?
• 1:02:15
  I mean, look, Imam Hussain is not just confined to this season
• 1:02:19
  and this like he's a year round phenomenon, but it's a good
• 1:02:22
  opportunity for us to all energize ourselves, whether it's
• 1:02:25
  Hossein or something else, for us all to become as Hosseini as
• 1:02:28
  we can. There's all be the best
• 1:02:30
  ambassadors for this religion, for this man and help us on that
• 1:02:35
  journey and those around us towards God and and whatever
• 1:02:38
  form that takes. And we, we as an organization,
• 1:02:42
  we are, we ask for people's support.
• 1:02:44
  That's what if, if in these Knights of Muharram you reaffirm
• 1:02:47
  people tell us all the time in, in Horam, I reaffirm my my
• 1:02:51
  allegiance to Imam and Hussein. If you find it within yourself
• 1:02:55
  that there's a calling for you in Hossein, then the tent, the
• 1:02:59
  door is open for you because this organization not owned by
• 1:03:01
  us, but whatever form that is, whether that's Hossein or
• 1:03:03
  somewhere else, this will be the best Hosseinis we can for the
• 1:03:07
  rest of our lives. That's the best we can do,
• 1:03:10
  inshallah. No nothing to add, just be part
• 1:03:15
  of the the journey. I think I'm sounding like a
• 1:03:18
  broken record. He is truly a gift that none of
• 1:03:22
  us deserve or did anything to qualify for.
• 1:03:25
  So please find a way to just spread him with at least one
• 1:03:28
  person that doesn't know about him and share that gift with
• 1:03:32
  them. And God is the one that will
• 1:03:34
  give you a reward for that inshallah.
• 1:03:36
  A candle is not. Dimmed by lighting out the
• 1:03:38
  candle I sent. The calendar is not.
• 1:03:40
  Doomed by light. I need to think about that Oh.
• 1:03:43
  OK, OK. It's not.
• 1:03:44
  You don't lose anything by inspiring someone else.
• 1:03:46
  Yeah, I sent Sherry just. That's a bad one, you know.
• 1:03:49
  Say it. Is different usually every this
• 1:03:50
  is our 4th Muharram on the pod. This will be our 4th Muharram
• 1:03:54
  Mashallah every year we usually start with Mossiba and we end up
• 1:04:00
  with Mosiba and it's just cyclical.
• 1:04:02
  But it's it's nice and I'm grateful to you guys obviously
• 1:04:06
  for for coming on, but it's nice to start the the season, I think
• 1:04:11
  with something actually practical, at least at.
• 1:04:14
  Least it gives us ammo in the next over the next few days
• 1:04:17
  throughout the month of Haram Musafah, how to speak with I
• 1:04:20
  think non-Muslims. So this has been very
• 1:04:22
  beneficial, very high opening. The work you do is unique.
• 1:04:25
  I say may Allah bless you and always you have the love of
• 1:04:28
  Abdullah, not just in yourself, your offspring and your future
• 1:04:31
  generation down the line. And I want to ask one question.
• 1:04:34
  I know what we're almost done, but this is important.
• 1:04:37
  This is important. Because I've been.
• 1:04:38
  Co hosting say who is the same? No, this is the fourth.
• 1:04:40
  Muharram by the. Way, who is this?
• 1:04:44
  This is the fourth. Muharram that I've had the honor
• 1:04:46
  of Co hosting with your brother Ahmed.
• 1:04:49
  I know who Hussein is inshallah, but who's Ahmed?
• 1:04:51
  Tell me one thing, one thing about Ahmed that something no
• 1:04:56
  one else knows. Oh.
• 1:04:58
  My gosh. Yeah, yeah, I need to know.
• 1:05:00
  Before the episode ends. The part where I get out ready.
• 1:05:05
  I'm it's a very loyal. Guy.
• 1:05:07
  Oh no, I know. It's very like in his heart.
• 1:05:11
  He's very loyal. He's a Liverpool fan, for
• 1:05:13
  example. He's very loyal to Liverpool and
• 1:05:16
  when he was a Chelsea fan he was very loyal to Chelsea.
• 1:05:19
  If you if you cut him. Now his blood will bleed red.
• 1:05:22
  Yeah, I said. Not always the case.
• 1:05:24
  Maybe. Very loyal guy terms.
• 1:05:26
  And conditions of life. Love says May I love.
• 1:05:27
  Bless you both and yourself, brother.
• 1:05:29
  Thank you very much. Yeah.
• 1:05:31
  I don't want to say that I'm not going to talk about not going to
• 1:05:34
  talk about Premier League football on the night, not
• 1:05:36
  today. But yeah.
• 1:05:37
  All right, guys, thank you so much for tuning in.
• 1:05:39
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• 1:05:41
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• 1:05:46
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• 1:05:51
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• 1:05:56
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• 1:05:58
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• 1:06:01
  because this will be inshallah a season where we all go on a
• 1:06:04
  journey and where we continue to uplift as a community.
• 1:06:09
  Lovely to speak to you all and listen.
• 1:06:12
  Please remember us in your daughter in these coming nights.
• 1:06:15
  Take care of Shallow. See you next week.
• 1:06:17
  So while they come to Lahi, thank you.