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Are We on the Brink of Nuclear War? Or is it a Scare Tactic? (Jeff Nyquist Interview) · Man in America Podcast

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Folks, we've got Putin threatening retaliation against the West and Henry Kissinger out on Fox News warning us of a US NATO counterattack in August. We've got Russian officials openly talking about nuclear war, and yet we've also got a random public service announcement in New York City instructing folks on how to respond after a nuclear attack. So is this threat actually real? Are we truly bracing for a nuclear war right now, or is this just another giant scare tactic just in time for the midterms and the WHO's next pandemic? And who better to talk about all this with than Jeff Nyquist, an author and geopolitical expert with decades of research into Russia, China, and communism.
• 0:47
  So stay with me, folks, because it's gonna be another mind blowing conversation today, and, hopefully, we can connect some dots together. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse, and boy, do we have a show for you today. But a few messages before we get started. So first off, today's show is brought to you by Rise TV.
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• 4:16
  And again, as I mentioned in the intro, I could not think of a better person to reach out and talk to about what's happening right now with Russia, with Ukraine, with the CCP, everything. So without further ado, let's go ahead and bring on Jeff. So, Jeff, thank you so much for coming on today.
• 4:33
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Seth.
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: And before we jump in, do you just wanna give us a really quick background? I know that most folks are familiar with you by now because you're one of my most popular guests. But for new folks, like, would you sum up, you know, you and your expertise on what's happening in the world right now today?
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: I was working in the nineteen eighties to get a PhD in, political science. I sort of discovered communism, in the university, and, I became interested in the defector literature, which I studied. And I discovered this literature. Can you explain
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: to our audience what that is?
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: Defectors, people who left the intelligence services of the Eastern Bloc or the political structures during the Cold War who had some of whom had information about what they called a long range strategy that the communist bloc had adopted. And the communist bloc is not only just the countries that were with the Soviet Union and communist China, but the communist bloc also is the communist parties in all the various countries that are attached to the communist movement, generally, and all their front organizations, fellow travelers, and people that end up following their narratives. And what I discovered is that there was a larger pattern or a larger strategy that was engaged, a very complex, sophisticated one. And I my epiphany in 1987 was that according to the defectors, the Soviet Union was going to have a false liberalization, false democracy, false and at the same time, the Sino Soviet split was not as represented, That China and Russia were working together secretly. I because of my work, I got to meet defectors, and I got to ask them questions, things they would tell me that weren't in their books that were even more scary.
• 6:27
  And so I that that was what I did. I I have written books. Origins of the Fourth World War was the first one. I began writing that in '87. The New Tactics of Global War, read Jihad, and then my most recent book, The Fool and His Enemy.
• 6:44
  I've written for Newsmax, WorldNet Daily, Sierra Times, Financial Sense, Epic Times. And, so and I have my own website, jrnyquist.blog where I carry on this work.
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: And you're a major guest on Man in America, which I'm I'm so honored to have you here. So, basically, I mean, to to summarize, you discovered a communist infiltration that was happening that you noticed in the eighties. And since then, you've really made it your life's work to understand the fact that, you know, there is a very real communist threat with a long term plan. You talk about, you know, the the Soviet's long term plan. You also have China's, you know, one hundred year marathon, and then that the Soviet bloc is still alive and well today, and that there is a very real plan to bring America to its knees.
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Communism is and its associated socialist fellow travelers is a like a new religion. It's a political religion in which man's salvation will be resolved through revolution and social transformation. And so understanding that and then understanding what's wrong with our civilization, what has been the malady of our civilization and why, has been my my driving curiosity.
• 8:04
  Because the solution and what happens ultimately depends on those questions, answering those questions correctly.
• 8:13
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. So with where we're at today, you know, I wanted to start with with two different news items. One is I'm gonna play this short video, which to me is very strange that New York City recently released this public service announcement about what to do if there's a nuclear strike in New York. And not only is their information just really misleading, it's it's actually like they're saying, basically, go take a shower if the nuke hits, right, instead of get out of the city, get iodine, whatever. But it's just very strange timing, especially considering some recent comments that have come out of Russia.
• 8:50
  So I'm gonna go ahead and play this for folks really quick, because you kinda have to see us to believe it. Let me play this.
• 9:06
  Speaker 3: So there's been a nuclear attack. Don't ask me how or why. Just know that the big one has hit. Okay? So what do we do?
• 9:15
  There are three important steps that I want you to remember. Step one, get inside fast. You, your friends, your family, get inside. And no, staying in the car is not an option. You need to get into a building and move away from the windows.
• 9:35
  Step two, stay inside. Shut all doors and windows. Have a basement? Head there. If you don't have one, get as far into the middle of the building as possible.
• 9:49
  If you were outside after the blast, get clean immediately. Remove and bag all outer clothing to keep radioactive dust or ash away from your body. Step three, stay tuned. Follow media for more information. Don't forget to sign up for Notify NYC for official alerts and updates.
• 10:10
  Updates. And don't go
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: They make it seem so simple. It's almost like, you know, if if a tornado is coming, here's your simple steps to survive the tornado. But that was coming right at the same time that and I'll pull this up too. We have this this is from the Maria Zakharova, who's the spokesperson. Let me pull this up actually right here.
• 10:33
  She's the spokesperson of the Russian foreign ministry. And this is what's really chilling to me because she said, after provoking an escalation of the Ukrainian crisis and unleashing a violent hybrid confrontation with Russia, Washington and its allies are dangerously teetering on the brink of an open military confrontation with our country, which means a direct armed conflict between nuclear powers. Clearly, such a confrontation would be fraught with nuclear escalation. So, you know, as we'd say when we were kids, like, them are fighting words. Right?
• 11:10
  This is this is a very real situation. And on top of that, we had Henry Kissinger coming out in the past couple of days on Fox News talking about how he expects some sort of US NATO counterattack by August. So and there's also been, you know, a lot of statements by Putin talking about how this is really the we're coming to the end of the American world order and how it needs to be replaced. And so, I mean, is all this just is it all empty threats, or do you think that we're really at a place where we're approaching a real war.
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, no. We're approaching a real war. The Russians began in 2014 on their media, basically orienting their people to The United States is the enemy. Russia's under attack. We're going to know, war is coming.
• 12:05
  I had, I I heard from some Russians who were frightened. They said this is more this rhetoric is more violent than anything we heard during the cold war. And of course this is if you if you understand Russian military strategy, go to the book Soviet Military Strategy edited by Marshall Sokolowski, their greatest strategist. Sokolowski's text says, the number one thing for getting a country ready for a a world war, which is a nuclear war, is to orient the population to who the enemy is and what they have to know and do. And this has been going on in Russia and in China, but not in The United States.
• 12:51
  And and both the left and the right are just completely disoriented. They don't really you know, China is our partner. Russia, we're having a misunderstanding with Russia. You got a lot of people saying, you know, Jordan Peterson did this thing the other day where he said, Russia we have to get Russia we we have we need Russia to be on our side. Right?
• 13:15
  And that's sort of like in World War two, we would say, we need Mussolini or Hitler to be on our side. You know? It's wait a minute. This war, we have been basically under attack from Russia and China for decades. The Cold War did not end, but the hot war is only about to begin because the you know, people talk about provocation.
• 13:37
  I'll tell you what the provocation is. We fought in Vietnam, and the Russians and Chinese were pouring in weapons that were killing tens of thousands of Americans. Did we threaten them with nuclear war? South Vietnam was in the Southeast Asian Treaty Organization. It was an ally of The United States.
• 13:54
  We were committed to defending them. The army of North Vietnam and the Viet Cong, totally supplied by the Russians and Chinese, was invading that country. We didn't threaten nuclear war. We didn't. We were diff by the way, we were defending just like Ukraine is defending now.
• 14:13
  What's the difference is why nuclear war is being threatened has nothing to do with Ukraine or Taiwan. It has to do with the real provocation of Russia and China, is our weakness. Our nuclear we haven't built a new nuclear weapon in over thirty years. We haven't tested a nuclear weapon in thirty years. We just had a ICBM test.
• 14:31
  I think it was July 1, and the ICBM failed on launch. We have an ancient ICBM force. Our submarines are not even we don't have enough nukes to have our all of our, ballistic missile submarines to go to sea with a full complement of nuclear weapons. So we've become weak. And and, you know, you we've had with this administration, we have, as doctor Peter van Surprise said, we have the most antinuclear presidency administration in the history of our country.
• 15:02
  They're just against nuclear weapons. In April, Biden canceled two types of nuclear weapons that the military vitally needs. Why?
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Why why why yeah. It is the question. Why?
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: Well, Biden was put into politics and into the US senate by arm and hammer. And anybody can go and read the Hammer file by Edward j Epstein, and he documents that Armand Hammer was a KGB agent. Going back to the nineteen twenties, he was working with intelligence, Soviet intelligence in Germany and France and in The United States when he came here. The Council for a Livable World supported senator Biden the whole time. Council for a Livable World is a communist front organization.
• 15:46
  So if you look at the career of mister Biden, mister Biden was picked to be vice president by president Obama who was mentored by Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the Communist Party USA. So you you our system has been, infiltrated by the communist movement for many years. I had communists tell me, forty years ago, almost forty years ago, thirty nine years ago, I had communists telling me we're infiltrating the Democratic Party. We're gonna take it over, and we're gonna elect communist stealth communist presidents. Well, they've done it.
• 16:20
  And that is the communist movement is not just com you know, you're gonna listen to people say, the communist the Marxist movement in America. No. It's a world movement. Communist party exists in every country in the world, and its chief countries are China, openly communist. Russia, the communist party went underground, but Putin is a communist.
• 16:42
  And I was told that by a Russian defector who knew of him before he became prime minister. And Putin has said, I did not burn my party card. I think it was in 2017 he said this to the in a press conference. I didn't burn my com party card. I like communist ideas.
• 17:00
  And, really, his whole regime is an attempt to bring the Soviet Union back openly. They just can't do it because the Russian public is so darn against these ideas, and the Ukrainians are so against it that they've revolted against being under it. And that revolt has to be put down by Moscow. That's what's going on.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: And so with the discussions of nuclear war, you know, I I think that for a lot of Americans, especially, you know, we think of nuclear war as as the Hollywood version of it. Right? Where, you know, going back to doctor Strangelove, where it's, you you drop one bomb, and within about, you know, ten minutes, the whole world has blown itself up. And I on my last show with you, we talked a little bit about this, but that's one of the big, you know, bringing this information public, because I I really align very closely with a lot of your perspectives. And as I've talked about this, I get various aspects of kinda pushback from people.
• 17:53
  And one of the common ones, like, oh, nuclear war is not gonna happen. The whole world's gonna blow up. But is that the case?
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: No. There was a book that came out. I think they made a movie. I never saw it. On the beach.
• 18:05
  It was a novel, not a scientific book at all. And it depicted a nuclear war as the the long term fallout would cover the whole planet and kill all of all the life on the planet. This is a complete fable. It's not true. Australia did a study in 1980.
• 18:24
  I I spent a lot of time in the basement of the UCI research library, the sub basement, which ironically was a fallout shelter. They put all the books regarding World War three in the fallout shelter part of the basement. The UCI library was built with federal money, so it was required at the time it was built that every one of those buildings have a fallout shelter on the sub basement level. And this Australian study said that that just to give a it in a nutshell, it said that if there was a full blown hydrogen bomb war in the Northern Hemisphere, like 40,000 strategic nuclear weapons going off, there would be a few more cancers and leukemias in Australia. But that the cancer rate in Australia would actually go down because the import of tobacco from The US would be cut off.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look. There's there's two main kinds of fallout now. If you have a ground burst, that's where the really short term hot fallout comes from. The the fireball of of a hydrogen bomb is 10 times hotter than the surface of the sun.
• 19:28
  It turns all solid objects into plasma which become energized with radioactivity that will last thirteen to eighteen days where you're gonna get initially like 20,000 rads an hour, which is that's a lethal dose within minutes. And so that is gonna rise with the fireball. There's gonna be some of it's gonna be burnt into the crater area. You don't wanna raise food or raise cattle in that crater. But, this fireball rises quite high up and then it cools and that matter then condenses into these these particles, the fallout, the heavy fallout that then rains in a conical elliptical pattern downwind of this, ground burst.
• 20:14
  And that radiation is so hot, if you're not underground and sufficiently protected, everything that's not underground, trees, bugs, animals, people, will be exposed to lethal amounts. And if you get these fallout particles are actually hot. So if you get them on their skin, they can burn into your skin, and it's very hard to get them off. If you get them on your clothing, what you need to do like, this video is very unclear, this New York thing. It's just very sketchy.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: A shower. Right? Just go inside your vaporized building and take a shower.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. If you're exposed to that kind of fallout, you need to get rid of your just get rid of the clothes. Can't those particles are emitting each one of those little particles are emitting radiation that will damage your body. So you don't want to even bring those clothes into where you're sheltering. And if there's any in your skin or hair, you need to wash them out and get them off of you.
• 21:06
  And you'll have burns even after depending on how hot, you know, and you need to get out of that and you need to get in the corner of a basement may or may not even protect you because what is the shielding of the basement floor? What is this? You need a certain amount of shielding. Follow-up shelters, like I said, it's like the basement below the basement. You know, if you're in a large building, you know, they've calculated the shielding.
• 21:32
  And then people used to build fallout shelters in this country. But you need to stay down there if you're immediately downwind, know, depending on your distance, thirteen to eighteen days, and then you can come up and the fallout's gone. It only lasts that long, the short term fallout. That's the dangerous kind. Now with, hydrogen bombs are very clean burning.
• 21:53
  They're fusion. The amount of long term fallout, that goes up it's much smaller particles. They go up higher. They go around the world. Like the Australian study said, there'll be a few those particles, cesium, strontium 90, americium, they can get into your body, get into your bone surfaces, cause leukemias, bone cancers, things like that.
• 22:14
  But, we already in the 1960s, a lot of the people that died of cancer were dying because they'd somehow picked up particles from the aboveground atomic dirty bomb tests. And one study I read said that the aboveground dirty, you know, these are fission bombs, not fission, dirty bombs like Hiroshima and Nagasaki that went around the world that the that the cancer rate and the exposure of the human race from that would be greater than a hydrogen bomb war with thousands and thousands of nukes going off.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: So basically, it's it's a very it is a real possibility, and it is something that,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: you know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: we know it because also that, you know, you've talked a lot about how originally there, you know, in this the Sino Soviet pact, there was an agreement that, you know, China would get the lower 48, Russia would get Canada, Alaska. And what's interesting with that is that recently, there was a billboard that had gone up in Russia saying that basically saying that Alaska is ours. And then I also heard on an interview with someone else recently that this is coming from a top level general who had told someone that every American home that, you know, through through that complex satellite imagery, that every single single family home in America was already earmarked for a Chinese family. I mean, is that something you've heard of before?
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard that one. But look. The secret speech of Qiao Chen talks about how they're gonna depopulate The United States with biological attacks, kill a hundred to 200,000,000, try to come and take the country against the survivors, collapse the economy, make us helpless. You know, if you can't like you see in Ukraine, the only way they can defend against the Russian army is if they have modern weapons that can repel tanks. So the tanks don't work, anti infantry weapons.
• 24:04
  So the Russians are using artillery on them. And the Ukrainians are, you know, struggling because they don't have as much artillery and enough ammunition. You need an industrial base to build the munitions, and you have to have the weapons. And, you know, if you're being nuked, a lot of that is gonna be gone. And a lot of people think, oh, they can't take America because they'll be out there with my rifle.
• 24:28
  Well, yeah, that will take its toll on the Chinese. But people with rifles, a thousand people you know, 3,000 people with rifles against the motorized infantry regiment with howitzers, mortars, machine guns, tanks, you know, it's a no contest. They just will slaughter you. You know? You'll kill a bunch of them.
• 24:47
  You know? They'll lose they can lose a third of their people, but they'll wipe you completely out. And so a lot of people don't understand that Russian and Chinese generals aren't gonna use their they're not they're gonna try not to ground burst their weapons except when they have to. Like, if they they're going after a nuclear weapon storage area that's underground, they're gonna hit the ground with that, and that's gonna be fallout. But and they're gonna have to hit the nuclear missile silos in North Dakota.
• 25:16
  So you're gonna get heavy fallout in, Minnesota. You know? You're gonna get heavy fallout downwind of those places, but they're very few. And I I've seen things which instead of in the eighties, a full blown nuclear war, you might only see you know, ten to twenty million Americans killed by the fallout. And that's when we had a lot more targets here that had to be ground bursted.
• 25:39
  So the Russians if they want to preserve the ground, the territory, the farmland and the buildings, and of course fallout doesn't destroy buildings by the way, they don't need to ground burst everything. Actually air bursting is more efficient. It it it it hits more of the target with the shockwave attacking from above. It has more more and then it avoids bomber fratricide because every time they ground burst, this stuff is put up in the upper atmosphere and Russian and Chinese bombers flying through it. The crews die because they get you know, in in four minutes, they're getting a lethal dose.
• 26:13
  Right? So they want they they don't want bomber fratricide. They don't wanna destroy the environment by killing all the bugs and the plants and the trees. They will in those areas where they have to do it, they will. But war is a rational, strategy is a rational thing.
• 26:31
  It's not the irrational part is the morally irrational part, the moral stupidity of it. But as far as conquering a country using your firepower, you look at the madness in Ukraine, knocking down cities, killing know, I was told by one person that maybe 50 to a hundred thousand, you know, citizens of Mariupol were killed by the Russian bombardment of that city. They just knocked the city down. They just leveled it. Nuclear bombardment is the same thing.
• 27:03
  It just happens all at once, and it comes all this way on a missile. And once they feel our nuclear arsenal, if they can do a surprise strike, is neutralized, then they can they can attack what cities they want to lower the resistance. And they might destroy several cities. They'll want to occupy and live in other cities and buildings because as general Qiao Chen said, we want to make a second China in America. We need to move hundreds of millions of Chinese into there because we're overpopulated in China.
• 27:37
  He said we can't use the word Lebensraum because that word is associated with Hitler and Hitler's, you know, considered evil. And and therefore, we don't wanna be considered evil ourselves for using that word. So but we're only saying it amongst each other. And, of course, what colonel Stanislav Lunov, the GRU defector, told me was they had an agreement going back to late ninety one, early '90 '2. Russia would get Alaska like they're saying now.
• 28:01
  Last week, a couple of Russian officials said, we are taking Alaska.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Here, hear that that's the billboard in Russia, which
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I don't speak Russian, but I believe it says Alaska is ours.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: That's right. That's what that says. And, so they're proclaiming it just like Babe Ruth when he would hit I'm gonna hit the home run over left field. They're saying it. They're orienting their own people to what's gonna happen so their own people will understand what they're doing.
• 28:29
  We just look at it and go, it's just propaganda. We don't believe it. No. It's not. They are orienting their people in that we are so disoriented that they can speak openly about what they're planning to do now, and we don't hear it because we have been we have listened to narratives that don't allow us to hear it.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, here's here's a question I have. You know? So art of war, one of those fundamental principles is when you're strong, act weak. When you're weak, act strong.
• 28:57
  Right? Yeah. So, you know, right now, in my opinion, America probably has never looked weaker. So do you think that there is some sort of, you know, part of the military, etcetera, that is very strong, that's pretending that it's kind of feigning weakness in the way that it is to, you know, kind of enter into this war in a much stronger position? Or do you think that what we're seeing is a real reflection of what's happened to our country?
• 29:23
  And it wasn't just Biden. We're going back to the Clintons, the Bushes, we're going back to the the stripping of our manufacturing base, everything that's happened, which if you, know, I interviewed Doctor. Or sorry, not Doctor. General Robert Spaulding lately, who's extensively covered the infiltration of China, especially into our government and the weakening of our country. So do you think that what we're seeing right now is a real representation of our strength?
• 29:49
  And also, how is that reflected within our weapons systems and our ability to compete and defend ourselves?
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Our weapons look. We had a failed ICBM test. We had a failed hypersonic missile test here recently. The thing people have to understand is, you know, we hear about the new world order and and WAF and the bad people and the Democrats. Russians' goal was, you know, under the Soviet Union to take us over from the within like Mao.
• 30:20
  Infiltration and subversion. Senator McCarthy was right. There was subversion ongoing. The problem is McCarthy got attacked and discredited. People did not want to deal with that.
• 30:33
  And the infiltration had already in the thirties and forties was significant. You you go to Diana West's book, American Betrayal, outlines the history of World War two, how the Russians were manipulating our strategy in World War two from inside the White House by people like Harry Hopkins. And and, senator McCarthy got a lot of criticism because he wrote the book Retreat for Victory, and he said there's something wrong with general, Marshall, the, the chief of the general staff, later secretary George Marshall, secretary of state and secretary of defense during the Korean War. There's something wrong with him. And, you know, you we've had a lot of things released since then showing that, you know, one of Marshall's key deputies, general Walter Betel Smith, in the movie Patton, he's called Beetle by Patton, was apparently a Soviet agent.
• 31:29
  Mark Reebling explains that in his book Wedge, the release documents about, what had happened. And Smith was the head of the CIA when when, Eisenhower was elected president, and Eisenhower was asked by the FBI, get him out of the CIA. You know? And they they had to they had to retire him because they never prosecuted him because espionage is a very difficult crime to prosecute. But we were seriously compromised from the very beginning within the CIA, within our institutions, the Pentagon, the the inside the White House for years.
• 32:03
  You know, we had Walt Rostow. There were people. There was a very famous security expert at the state department who fought the Kennedy administration about Rostow saying he has communist relatives. He has communist affiliations. This is a national security adviser to president Lyndon Johnson.
• 32:21
  Then Henry Kissinger look. This book here, Henry Kissinger Soviet Agent by this New York detective. There's serious questions about Henry Kissinger. There was a defector, Michael Galanowski, who came out of Poland. He was a colonel general in Polish communist intelligence.
• 32:38
  He had seen a list of GRU, that's Russian military intelligence, agents recruited in occupied Germany in 1945. And he said on the list was sergeant Henry Kissinger. Right? The infiltration to explain you know, you hear all these things about the new world learner and stuff. The Russians would love to create narratives to get us to misunderstand their infiltration and for us to believe it's somebody else behind the bad things that are happening in our own government.
• 33:08
  But it's their infiltration. It's their subversion. It's their war plan. And the fact that they're readying their weapons now means they believe they've subverted us and weakened us enough, and that weakness is the provocation. That's what provokes them and aggressor to attack that they think they can then take over the world in a giant push.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: So it kinda so how you're seeing the situation, it's not just that, you know, you know, Russia invades Ukraine, NATO, and The US, you know, we start sanctioning, and that kinda steps on Putin's toes, and now he's threatening with nukes. This is a they have been building up for this for a very, very long time.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: The the the Soviet Union lured NATO into Eastern Europe. You read the real history. Gorbachev had no problem with East Germany becoming part of NATO. He just said, you know, give us $80,000,000,000 or whatever it was. It was Deutsche Marks.
• 34:02
  You know, just give us money. Just pay us. Well, what did they do with that money? They they used that money to infiltrate the West to to to to take over companies and to establish positions to allow them to influence western policies. Angela Merkel, long term Christian Democratic Union, chancellor of Germany, she was an East German communist youth leader with KGB connections.
• 34:27
  So she's a conservative? And there were many concerns. I mean, like Valessa Valenza in Poland, there was a former Polish secret police officer who said, this guy was an agent of the secret police going way back. I had a leader of Polish solidarity tell me that. When he came to this country in the early nineties, I met him and he said, Valenza, we know he is a secret police agent.
• 34:50
  Same thing, out of Czechoslovakia, Vaclav Havel. He was not an honest, you know, pro democratic person. You know, what a schoolmate of his that I spoke with who knew him for many years, he said he believed in communism. You know, Vaclav Havel, with a human face. Right?
• 35:07
  Like Gorbachev. But the communism with the human face was a deception. You know, remember, Stalin even was our Uncle Joe at one time. He was communism with a human face. There's always this back and forth with communism.
• 35:22
  They're bad and then they're good. They're bad and then they're good. It's like breathing. Right? And now they're bad again.
• 35:28
  Same pattern. But see, they they have to make us think they're good so they can import the technology and get the capital to build up their arms industry. Then when that's and then they use that to capture other countries to go into Angola and Ethiopia, go into Nicaragua and and make the, you know, Afghanistan Invasion, do all the things they did during the Cold War. And then what happens is they retreat from some of those places or they pretend to collapse, but they're still maintaining their hold. Look at who is you know, we fought that that that war Ronald Reagan did to defeat the the, Sandinistas and Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua Years ago.
• 36:05
  And supposedly, we won the Cold War. Who's the president of Nicaragua now? Daniel Ortega. Sandinistas are there. How did that happen?
• 36:14
  Is that a magic trick?
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Well, since speaking of Nicaragua, actually so it's funny because, you know, back in 2016, it was all Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia. The media loved using Russia as the boogeyman, which this can be confusing. Right? Because it's like, well, maybe that, you know, we we know the media is lying through their teeth, so it makes you wanna think that maybe Russia is not the boogeyman. But then now we have what's happening, you know, I think it was back in June, right, where there are reports coming out that there are Russian troops in Nicaragua.
• 36:42
  Right? Yet the media is silent on the threats, which makes you think that, like, is the media complicit? And we know that the media is heavily influenced by the CCP. Right? So
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: And they are. The Russians have been in our media. Like, I talked to Vladimir Bukowski years ago. He had gotten into the Soviet archives, Communist Party Soviet Union archives. And the archivists, taunted him one day.
• 37:06
  He held up a piece of paper at a distance he couldn't read, and it had names, columns of names on both sides of the paper. And he said, you will never see this. These are all the media people in the West we control. Right? And Bukowski told me that story.
• 37:22
  So, you know, what people don't understand is the, power of this infiltration and the double blind. Look. They had to come out and be anti Russian. All the leftist pro Soviet, pro Russian people in our system, which had been helping look at, Hillary Clinton helped Russia build up their own Silicon Valley when she was secretary of state, gave billions to that. They had they brought president Medvedev to Silicon Valley famously.
• 37:53
  Obama did. They had the uranium one deal, Hillary Clinton, right, and Obama. They were we were helping Russia right up until all of a sudden, and then you had that that where Obama got caught on tape with president Medvedev, you know, tell Vladimir, I just need to get elected one time and then I can kind of give you what you want in the negotiations, the disarmament negotiations. And all of a sudden they realized we have exposure here. And if if you are the Kremlin, you're going, oh, we're gonna start a war.
• 38:23
  If we start a war, all our buddies over here in the West are gonna get they're gonna get thrown out of politics. They won't be electable. So they started to be Putin's enemy. This is what we're they had meetings. Like, there was a funny meeting that Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, it was in, latter half of 02/2012, had with Hillary Clinton.
• 38:47
  And they were not supposed to meet and they met alone for four hours. No translators. And Lavrov is just a really good English speaker. And she comes back and she wouldn't give her own staff a briefing and they said, what was this? This is this is an American secretary of state meets with the foreign minister of Russia for four hours, and we don't know what was said.
• 39:07
  There's no record of the meeting. There's no translator to witness it. And from that point on, you can trace suddenly this anti Russian thing. It's like, Lavrov, this is my theory. Lavrov said, alright.
• 39:19
  You guys gotta posture against this now because you've got exposure, because we're getting ready for some things, and you'll be blamed. So Obama's going to go against the sincerity. He's going to draw the red line, and we're going to do we're going to be taking Crimea or whatever, and and you're going to posture against us. Because you have to, because then you will be perceived as being on our side, and we have to make sure you are not. Because we need you in charge as we advance.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: And so where does, you know, so where does someone like Soros or Klaus Schwab or, you know, some of these these globe organizations like the UN, for instance, that, you know, where do they fit into all this? Because it seems like if you especially if you look back at COVID, you look at, you know, the the loss of, you know, the loss of freedoms that we've all experienced, it's obvious that, you know, agenda 02/1930, there's also a push from that particular faction. They want their own version of control. So in in and even with Soros coming out and trying to, you know, collapse the financial systems over in Asia. Right?
• 40:20
  You have Chinese, you know, communist, you know, mouthpiece papers openly calling Soros the son of Satan, and he's out there saying that Xi Jinping is the greatest threat to free societies in the world. So is is that just a show, or is there is there actually a a struggle in a way be kinda between the two the two big mob families fighting over control of the block.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: No. Soros is look. Soros came out of communist Hungary. So how does a poor immigrant from communist con from a communist country become a billionaire? He had help.
• 40:52
  And, you know, the pretense I have looked into Soros, this idea that Soros is the enemy of Putin, it's a dog and pony show. It's the same thing. It's his alibi. Soros has done plenty to help Russia and China. He's still helping them.
• 41:09
  He's helping the communists here in The United States that are working with the Chinese. So the Chinese are attacking him. They're giving him cover. So you see, this is the thing. You don't wanna expose your agent.
• 41:23
  If he's obviously pro Chinese and helping and feeding he's giving money to communists here in the in in their front organizations. He's feeding them money. And these organizations are blatantly allied with China. So wait a minute. How can Soros be helping the communists and the Chinese fronts and allies here, and the Chinese are denouncing him?
• 41:45
  It's really easy to read. This is just they're just giving him an alibi.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: It's all all warfare is deception.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: It's deception, and you have to use deception. And that's why we're disoriented. I had I had just an amazing experience on talk radio. I was on this talk radio show, and I had caller after caller say they would begin saying, Ukrainian regime is Nazis. And then they then they would shift in their diatribe and say, and the Rothschilds, money is is feeding it, and and the president Zelensky is a Jew.
• 42:20
  And I said I would I would think, okay. Wait a minute. This is a Jewish Nazi conspiracy? You know? Wait a minute.
• 42:28
  You gotta pick one or the other. It's either a Nazi thing or it's a Jewish thing. No. It can't be a Nazi Jewish thing. There's no such thing as a Nazi Jewish thing.
• 42:39
  Right? And, but the reason why this confusion happens is that the Russians create different narratives for different groups. The Russians want to manipulate there's a lot of antisemites, especially in Europe. They want to manipulate those far right groups. So they say the Ukrainians, the Ukraine is controlled by Jews.
• 42:59
  So they won't want to support it. Then against people who don't like Nazism, they, you know, they say the other, you know, they say that it's, or people who like it, they say that it's Nazi. You know, they every group has a different narrative, but the problem is is that they're picking up different narratives that are contrary, different lies, and they're putting them together naively because they don't know, wait a minute. These narratives are meant for different groups. You just aren't in one of these groups, and you're they don't know enough to know that they're actually taking two sets of lies.
• 43:36
  Because every event that happens, the Russians make up several false narratives. And if you have let's say here's the truth. Here's five false narratives. Right? So how are you gonna find the truth?
• 43:49
  You go through the false narratives, and this is what the Russians know this. Most people will pick the narrative that makes them feel good and reinforces their own beliefs. So they think that the truth buried under the false narratives will never be found because the human nature is not especially our corrupt process of thinking today, is not oriented toward the truth. We're not morally oriented. We're commercially oriented.
• 44:17
  So we shop for the truth. Oh, that looks nice. That feels nice. That's stylish. Everybody's doing this this year.
• 44:24
  Right? So that's the way we approach the truth. And the Russians know this, that we've we've dropped our old religious moral heritage for a commercial, you know, thing and what feels good. And so by creating these different narratives, people instead of saying, well, what really is the truth? Instead of doing their homework, it's like easier to go, oh, that one fits with what I wore in the fall.
• 44:48
  Right? And so they pick that narrative. And this is what you see people doing both in Europe and The United States and the Western world. And that's how we're so disoriented.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Even well, I wanna hear your thoughts on this, but Soros, right, who was, you know, Jewish, but he also admitted to working for the Nazis. Like, there's I remember there's an interview where he was openly admitted that he had been rounding up his own kinsmen to send them to the camps, and I think he said it was, like, some of the best days of his life.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Well, he was a first of all, he was a kid. He was a child. He wasn't an adult. He had been placed with a non Jewish family to try to for him to survive. And the, the fascist regime that came into power in Hungary when Admiral Horthy was overthrown and Hitler basically the came in and they overthrew him because he was trying to negotiate with the allies.
• 45:40
  And Hungary was allied with Germany during World War II. And and so Soros was placed in this family. And of course, in order to survive, they had to show that they were cooperating with the regime. You know? And there was a big movement of I forget it was 100 or 200,000 Hungarian Jews were being shipped out in trains as part of the Holocaust.
• 46:08
  You know, they were rounding up, Jews. And so it wasn't that Soros was political at all. He was just a kid with a family. They were trying not to get on the radar of a bloodthirsty regime that might have sent them to the camp if they didn't. So I would not, you I you can't fault somebody for trying to hide.
• 46:30
  You know, it's it's like if you if you went to Anne Frank's house and they were going to take the whole household and they were going to ship them to a camp and they said, do you know if this person over here is a Jew? And you'd think, my god, they know they're out there testing me. I better tell them, you know, otherwise we're all going. We're all going to be arrested. So you know that's a very difficult thing.
• 46:52
  Some people will just be arrested and will hide the Jews, some won't. I mean Soros is not a guy that, from what we can see, that has a very acute moral compass. Right?
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I I I would happen to agree. Now something I I do wanna, you know, you know, kind of touch up on is, so the last discussion that we had, it was shortly after this the transcript of a meeting of these high level generals in China. And it was basically, in a lot of ways, discussing them entering into a war economy. You know? Right.
• 47:25
  Preparing ships, you know, for, I think, roll on roll off. Is that what the the term is?
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Row, row, roll on roll off ships to accommodate tanks and armored fighting vehicles, self propelled artillery. Yeah.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Where so where is is China at in that process right now? Because it seemed like it was a pretty imminent threat at that time. And now we've got Russia, who obviously, you see for many reasons is aligned with China, especially if you look at the BRICS nations, their attack on the dollar to crumble our economy, etcetera. So is is the escalation that we're seeing right now part of that overall strategy as it relates to China? I mean, do you think that that do you think that Russia and China are actually right now in preparation for some sort of kinetic war with America?
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. It's, look. I've been watching for this. There's been indications, especially over the last two years, with the the pandemic is clearly was a precursor, event or attack.
• 48:25
  Testing our defenses, disrupting our economies in our society, and, empowering some of their, agents here within our governments to, do measures that look. All a lot of the measures that Western governments took to the, in the pandemic, we may find out later were not entirely the correct measures. And this is very controversial. Maybe you should erase this part of but but look, biological warfare is you do need the government to be able to defend the people. But if you've got people, enemy agents in the government to sabotage the defensive measures, And and the same thing, you know, with with Biden cutting out two nuclear warheads in April.
• 49:12
  Yeah. General Todd Walters and and Admiral Richards, Richard, the head of the, strategic command serious seriously objecting to this, you know, undermining our defense, you know, in in very blatant ways. I mean, why is the Democratic Party for, you know, since 02/2007 been blocking? You know, that's twenty five fifteen years. They've been blocking and delaying and preventing us from from creating new nuclear warheads that we desperately need to make our our nuclear deterrent reliable and dependable so that now we don't have a dependable nuclear deterrent is that this is what's provoking.
• 50:00
  This is what's leading to this. And, yes, China and Russia are mobilizing. The RoRo ships were supposed they were supposed to get them ready by the June. The meeting, the one of the officials responsible said, I can't get it done by then. But the latest information that I've got from the same from mister Wang of Luda Media and Lee Meng Yan is that August 1 is the date that, it looks like a blockade of Taiwan or some kind of military moves are going to begin.
• 50:32
  And and they they could push that back, but that right now is my understanding of when it's gonna be begin. And, tomorrow, the Duma meeting, we're gonna find out, you know, Putin kind of is getting the powers for full mobilization in Russia. And we're gonna see if they have a declaration of war forthcoming and against who that declaration of war is or what kind of mobilization order. The rumor is maybe full Russian mobilization. Putin said recently that, he really hasn't they really haven't done anything yet compared to what they can do.
• 51:07
  They're only 15% mobilized. What does a % look like? They've set up bases, you know, a 50 or so bases in the Arctic have been set up. They're the, you know, before September, they the Arctic is wide open for military operations against Canada and Alaska. Is something going to happen?
• 51:28
  Why are they talking about we're going to take Alaska? I mean, these are these are Russian officials, defense and Duma officials talking about taking Alaska saying, well, America's helped Ukraine means now we can compensate ourselves by taking it. Why are they saying this? You know? This is not lunatic talk.
• 51:48
  This is Yeah. Serious.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Well, it's I mean, it's almost because I I I pay a lot of attention to the conversations happening online. I'm seeing the different people talking about what's happening. And I can tell you that there there is a thick and deep level of cognitive dissonance with Americans. You know, we have a normalcy bias, right, that things will get back to normal. Right?
• 52:07
  Things will get back to normal once once this happens. Let's get through the midterms. And even though our country has been through multiple world wars, we've been through civil war, we've been through, you know, the Cuban Missile Crisis, etc, you know, I can just see over and over again that people don't want to accept the fact that we might be very close to being heading into a a war, a a true World War three involving the superpowers, the most powerful superpowers of the of the world fighting. And, you know, so and again, you know, I do these shows. Like, I I bring you on not because I wanna scare people.
• 52:44
  Right? Like, I'm a really happy, cheery guy. I don't live in the realm of fear, but I'm also really trying to be a realist. I'm really trying to understand exactly what's happening. I'm aware that there are so many narratives being spun, and there are narratives that are happening from the mouths of CNN, as well as the mouths of Fox News, and as long as from the mouths of prominent conservative influencers that maybe unbeknownst to them, they're actually spinning particular narratives.
• 53:07
  And I'm trying to really sort through all that. So if someone, you know, if someone says, look, Jeff, like, you know, you're being a fear bonger and and that this isn't really possible, how do you respond to that?
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Well, of course, it's possible. Look. Nuclear weapons have been built. The Russians and Chinese have modernized and massively built up their nuclear arsenals. Why?
• 53:29
  We have not. Why? What kind of dynamics occurred to allow this to happen? The when you have people like, look, famous Russian journalist, Evgenia Albatz, she has said it publicly. You know?
• 53:44
  Putin is is dangerous. And the in her book on the KGB written in '94, she said the KGB and the communist structures were behind the changes in Russia. She says that. The KGB orchestrated it. You you have if you read the history of the fall of the Soviet Union and you go to the defector literature, defectors two defectors said that they were gonna fake the collapse of the Warsaw Pact alliance.
• 54:11
  And I think that did happen. And then I see, it's interesting. Mark Reebling, who wrote Wedge, he's a researcher. He's last I heard he was at the Hudson Institute. He wrote this book, and he he looked at the one defector, Anatoli Golitsyn's nineteen eighty four book.
• 54:26
  Anyone can look at it. It was published in '84. I read it in '84 when it first came out. I didn't understand it the first time I read it. It was after being exposed to the other defector literature.
• 54:35
  I went back to it and said, wait a minute. There's other confirmation from other defectors about what he was saying. I I kind of dismissed it like everybody did. And it turns out people don't read. They don't really look at this.
• 54:46
  And and so he made, according to Riebling, a 40 falsifiable predictions in '84 by '90, which were predictions about the communist party giving up power in Russia, the Berlin Wall going down, you know, releasing prisoners from the gulag, you know, all this stuff. 40. Riebling said by 1994, almost, 94% of those predictions had come true. Now it's more of them because he made predictions further out about China and Russia uniting at the end of the post Cold War period with one clenched fist being rearmed, modernized while the West had failed to do that. And it's it's right there in the book in the chapter, the final phase.
• 55:28
  And it's like, well, there's another direct hit by mister Gulitzen, you know, colonel, or major Gulitzen, major Anatoly Gulitzen, a KGB officer defector. How do you explain it? See, the the problem is all that the people who criticize this do is say, oh, Glutzen never made a production that was true. You can go get the book. You can see for yourself.
• 55:52
  You can read the final phase chapter. It's all there in black and white. You can't deny it. He predicted all this. How?
• 55:59
  Because when you know a plan that somebody is carrying out, a long term plan, you kind of can connect the dots and say, well, this is what they're planning to do. Okay. So then they do it, and then they keep doing it. You know, they're still tracking with that plan. And and for me, this is just simple.
• 56:18
  I mean, in '87, before, you know, I before Reebling did his brilliant work and said, you know, trace the exact predictions, I saw the book in the context of the other defector literature. My epiphany was this is going to happen. So I believed Galitzen's predictions were gonna come true before they came true. That's why I started writing my book Origins of the Fourth World War, this book here, in 1987. I started writing this in '87 when I realized it was going to happen.
• 56:48
  And I learned, the sociology of denial. Right? Denial is not a river in Egypt, the joke. I learned that sociology because everyone I talked to did not wanna look at it, did not wanna read it, wanted to dismiss it without even I'm saying, look. I did this research.
• 57:05
  This is going to happen. And people were like, oh, that's just a coincidence that happened. It didn't really happen. Now I over the years, managed to convince a handful of people, and I got a readership, but it's small. The system is so persuasive.
• 57:21
  CNN, Fox News at one point, Fox News was gonna have me on, and I was waiting I was in Washington. I was waiting for the limo, and they had some kind of debate, and they they decided not to have me on.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah. So this was twenty three years ago.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: So you basically so what you see happening right now, you've been tracking this for, gosh, over forty years. And you've been looking at the signs and looking at the indicators. And so when you look at what's happening right now, you're not just reading some tweets or looking at some forums. You're you are referencing a, you know, many, many decades worth of knowledge and information. And you're you're you're stringing together an entire plan of where we're at now.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: This defector Jan Shena on page a hundred begins his discourse on the Soviet long range strategy or the bloc, communist bloc long range strategy. He was shown the strategy in '67, year before he defected. And this strategy includes and he writes about things that now we'll look at it, and go, holy crap. He says in there that after Tito's death, they would the communist, there was Russians will have infiltrated Yugoslavia, and they'll break it up along ethnic lines into different countries. That's exactly what happened in Yugoslavia, the Yugoslav civil war.
• 58:46
  And and and that's just one of the predict you know, when you read the defector literature, it's it's it's like reading prophecy. It's chilling. But he said in there, same thing that Galitsyn says in said New Lies for Old. He said, there the plan is to fake the collapse of the Warsaw Pact alliance, and that through secret committees of Comic Con to maintain people, structures within those countries that will allow them to flip some or all of them back over and to prosecute a surprise. And he talked about the era of global democratic peace that they were planning.
• 59:25
  That's the Gorbachev era. Galitsyn actually predicted Gorbachev, not by name because he didn't know who it was. He said in 1984, the year before Gorbachev took power in '85, he said the next Soviet leader will be a a Soviet version of Dubcek, the the liberal communist Czech leader, communism with a human face. He said he and he's gonna be a liberalizer. He predicted it.
• 59:49
  That was one of those a 40 false or viable predictions. How do they know? How do these defectors know? They knew because they were on the inside. They knew how they thought.
• 59:58
  They knew the strategic process. Look. Strategy is a science. And when you understand the sophistication of the strategy of subversion, infiltration, preparation for nuclear war is one of the legs of the strategy, the other one is deception. When you understand the whole thing, how complicated it is, how long look they have the Academy of Sciences, the Soviet Academy of Sciences is just a giant system of think tanks covering many different disciplines that actually feed with scientific data the strategists with the information they need to to calculate and figure out the ideal strategy.
• 1:00:39
  Same thing in China.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: So with regards to timelines, I've got a comment that popped up from YouTube. And just so everyone knows, we're keeping we're gonna do a q and a. And if if it's you know, originally, we're scheduled till 03:30, but it goes longer. I think Jeff has time to do this. So if you have any questions, like, you know, there's a few folks that are gathering these questions for me.
• 1:01:00
  Just write question in your comment, and you can ask that question. So we're keeping this public. It's not gonna be only on Rise TV like we typically do. But here's one, you know, question from Andrew Casale on YouTube who says, will nuclear war actually happen soon or not? If yes, when?
• 1:01:18
  Because I don't want to die. I'm only 22.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Well, you won't necessarily die in a nuclear war. It depends on where you are and whether you have the knowledge to survive. So I would I would get a book like, nuclear war survival skills. There's a number you can look on Amazon. There's I've got a bunch of the volumes here.
• 1:01:37
  It's not rocket science. And, look, it's it's gonna be if we get into a war that's that bad, it's going to be it's gonna be difficult for everybody. But look, our ancestors came to this continent and cut out of the wilderness, a a country. You know? Wars recur and people die and and in wars and they survive in wars.
• 1:02:02
  And this is what I will tell you. It is not up to us whether a war happens. The aggressor imposes the war on the countries that are attacked. And so what I would tell you is that what's more important is not to do anything shameful. Do not betray your country.
• 1:02:22
  Do not consider your life so important that you will betray your friends or your community. It is better to die with honor, And for that matter, for fighting, if you can't run, you walk. If you can't walk, you crawl. If you can't crawl, you wriggle. You struggle.
• 1:02:41
  You survive. You live. That's what you ought to do. And you you should pray, and you should have a spiritual life to help keep you straight on the straight and narrow.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Very important words or words for this this time period. And so, I mean, do you I guess, do do you anticipate some sort of pretty strong action happening soon? And do you know when that might be? I mean, you've talked about August 1.
• 1:03:12
  Is that maybe when the CCP makes a move on Taiwan, which then pulls us into the sanction wars and there's retaliation based upon that? Or how do you see things unfolding?
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: Well, like mister Wang told me in in the interview I did with him, they gave additional information about the fifty six, fifty seven minute joint civil military meeting for mobilization in Guangdong that happened on, May 14. Mister Wang told me that they're they're getting ready. The first stage will be they will blockade Taiwan, and they will intensively try to negotiate with the United States to force the United States to basically appease China, to give up not only Taiwan, but to effectively give up South Korea and Japan. And he said there would be provocations against Japan. Look.
• 1:04:01
  Japan is complaining Chinese ships are are are sailing around Japan and Russian ships too.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Do you
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: think that there's obvious
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: the recent assassination with Abe who was very against the CCP being that ties back to the CCP?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: He Abe Shinsu Abe was the most anti CCP Chinese politician or Japanese politician. And and and, yeah, it's very funny that he gets killed. He gets assassinated now. Again, provocations, pressure on Japan. So you're gonna see this escalation, in the Far East.
• 1:04:37
  At the same time, this Russian mobilization that's anticipated tomorrow, we'll see. We don't know what they're gonna do exactly. There's only rumors. Something serious is gonna happen tomorrow on Russia. Something that's going to move the ball forward.
• 1:04:51
  Because the Russians and Chinese as allies, in order to trust each other, each one has to show good faith by taking the next step. Right? Because you got two great powers for them to trust each other. Look, if I'm going to stick my neck out against the West, you've got to not take a step. And that's what they're doing.
• 1:05:08
  Russia invades Ukraine. That's a good faith action for China. China says, look. The Russians are courageous. They took the first good faith step.
• 1:05:17
  Remember, before the invasion of Ukraine happened, Putin on on February 4 went to Beijing. There, they made a joint statement and, according to mister Wang, signed an alliance military alliance treaty. And, of course, colonel Stanislav Lunev, the defector, said they signed a bunch of treaties about dividing the territory in North America, about a future war, about, coordinating their intelligence services. They've been together a long time secretly. And so now it's just coming out.
• 1:05:48
  And so now they're they're doing these steps in the open. So China on the first starts the blockade. Russia then in mid August, you know, accelerates its operations against Ukraine, possibly against Lithuania or the Baltic states. Lithuania just backed down on the, Russian goods to Kaliningrad Kaliningrad crossing their territory. Russia is really there's incredibly strong intimidation, going against NATO, going against The United States and Japan and Taiwan.
• 1:06:25
  And they're they're just they're putting the pressure on. You want a nuclear war? We'll give you one. Guess, you know, this public service announcement out of New York is because officials are going they're threatening a nuclear war. It could be real.
• 1:06:39
  We better we don't have any civil defense. Nobody knows what to do. So this very simple kind of and, you know, really what is objectionable about that public service announcement, okay, the big one is dropped. We're not saying how. You know?
• 1:06:56
  No. It's we're just being bombed by bombs. Nobody's dropping them on us. Right? It's not North Korea or China or Russia.
• 1:07:04
  You they don't even we're gonna be in a nuclear war. You're gonna be bombed, and you're not even gonna be told who's doing it to you.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: This is the in the Russian military literature, it's like the worst sin. You orient your people to your enemy so they're motivated and they know who they're fighting. And because because what? You can have confusion. The new world order bombed us.
• 1:07:27
  The Illuminati bombed us. The Muslims bombed Muslim terrorists bombed us. It's like, no. It's Russia and China. It's communism, stupid.
• 1:07:35
  You know? Every single narrative to mislead us, to put us off the track. And how can you you cannot fight an enemy if you cannot name him. It's impossible. And that's what they've done to us.
• 1:07:49
  We have to name the enemy, then we have a chance to win. No matter what the odds are, the first thing is you have to name your enemy.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, and even worse, you have the American government coming out saying the enemy is the American patriots. It's it's like the worst it could be.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Yes. Of course. Yeah. Because because there's the infiltrators. When you hear somebody say the enemy is an American who believes in the constitution, You know you're hearing a communist infiltrator who's gotten into the government.
• 1:08:17
  You know and this is the big problem is what people don't realize is it's it's it's a two sided attack. It's an attack from within and an attack from without. It's not one or the other. People wanna say, you know, everybody wants to be an optimist, and they wanna be they'd like grow up. It's Russia and it's China.
• 1:08:37
  You know, I'm sorry. Jordan Peterson, rule 37 of your rules for life, don't let a bully get away with it. Getting online and telling people that, oh, we ought to let Russia get away with destroying who gives a damn about Ukraine, says Jordan Peterson. Well, I'm sorry, mister Peterson. You're a big disappointment because you have just Russia needs to be on our side.
• 1:09:00
  That's not our choice. They're on China's side. They made their decision long ago. It's the communists' stupid. Wake up.
• 1:09:08
  Get oriented. They're coming for us. We don't have much time left. We can't play around in the fog saying all these false narratives. They are killing Ukrainians.
• 1:09:21
  They're about to blockade Taiwan, and they wanna bomb us and invade us and make a second China here. Read Qiao Chan's secret speech. Look at the testimony colonel Lunef gave. You know, we this is not none of this is unexpected to me. I wrote this freaking book.
• 1:09:41
  I started writing it thirty five years ago, the origins of the fourth world war. Right? Everything that's happening now is anticipated in this book. That's because I read the defector literature. I read their military literature.
• 1:09:57
  I talked to defectors, and nobody was listening. You know, I talked to other academics when I was getting my PhD. Oh, nobody listens to defectors. They're traitors. You don't listen to traitors.
• 1:10:10
  How are you gonna find out what's going on inside the enemy camp unless you listen to people from there? You're gonna blind yourself? Oh, no. We won't listen to that. Every single narrative.
• 1:10:24
  And so it's it's like for them, it's like taking candy from a baby to trick us.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So if you know, it gives a handful of questions about where this could happen in terms of nuclear strikes. And so, you know, if they do attempt a a nuclear strike, where would they target? Why? And Lori Underwood on YouTube asks, I'm in the West.
• 1:10:50
  How far West will Putin strike?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: Well, let let's do geography. I don't know if you can put up a map of the world.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'll pull one up.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. This is, it's really easy to kind of conceptualize the way they strategize by looking at geography. If you look at a map of the world, the globe is even better. But if you look at a map of the world, the three main nuclear communist countries, and I'm counting Russia as a communist country because the communist party underground, Communist Party Soviet Union underground is really behind everything here. There's only one geographical direction where they can combine their forces together against The US.
• 1:11:36
  Okay? So, can you can you go over to the Pacific? Well, we'll wait. Go ahead and leave it there for a second. You see, Russia and China can't combine against America and the Atlantic.
• 1:11:48
  Right? Because only Russia Right. Right. Because because only Russia has access to the Atlantic through the Baltic and through the the the, the North Atlantic and the Arctic Ocean. But if you look if you go further east, you'll see China and Russia both are in the Far East and so is North Korea.
• 1:12:06
  And they have access to The United to North America through the Arctic and the Northern Pacific. That's where they can combine in a in a very simplistic geographical way. So the Russians have a Pacific fleet, and in the summertime, their northern fleet based at Murmansk can traverse the the North the, the Arctic passage to the Bering Strait or just go straight into North America through the northern areas through Alaska and whatnot. So that's the one place to combine naval air and nuclear assets through that access. So it is the Pacific theater that is the decisive theater against America.
• 1:12:48
  So that is how I'm gonna frame it. You know, this is a Mercator projection. So just imagine you can go straight up over the Arctic into North America from Russia. You can go straight. Russia has its specific fleet at Vladivostok, and the and the Chinese have their fleets there, off the South China Sea.
• 1:13:06
  So they can combine, and the North the North Koreans have their submarines and their nuclear missiles, maybe 30 warheads or whatever. The Chinese, we don't know their numbers, several hundred nuclear warheads. The Russians have thousands of nuclear warheads. So there you have the arsenals and the firepower. And so the strategic direction is cross Arctic, cross Pacific.
• 1:13:28
  So And this is what that There's a there's a good one. Yeah. That's a good map of showing the Pacific. You see, here's where China and Russia look. It is a good map because it shows It's a strange shot.
• 1:13:39
  In the left hand side, there's China, Russia, North Korea. On the right hand side, there's Alaska, Canada, and The US. So they don't they'd like Europe to be neutralized. They like Europe to be frozen with fear, capitulate without a fight. You know?
• 1:13:54
  Make an example out of Ukraine. They wanna combine in this cross Arctic, cross Pacific combination. They want America isolated. They want Japan. There right now, a lot of this economic warfare where they're using oil, food, and fertilizer is to completely show to countries like Germany and Japan and Australia and India that if you don't cooperate with China and Russia, your economy will be crippled, and your economy will collapse.
• 1:14:21
  So you have no choice. You have to abandon any relationship with The United States, and you have to come on board. Right? Chinese have been saying this to the Australians for years. You better decide what side your bread is buttered on.
• 1:14:33
  Right? And so Japan is really stubborn, especially with the elections. The Abbe's party did really well, maybe because he was a martyr. They're they're trying to bully these countries using the economic weapon. And so so so imagine this.
• 1:14:50
  They're they're blockading Taiwan. They're they're trying to crush Ukraine, and they're threatening nuclear war. And they're in these negotiations saying, you know, we're just gonna haul off and attack you because we're just done with you. The, you you better give in. And the allies are starting to wear down and say, better give in.
• 1:15:10
  And but if we give in, they'll have so much economic wherewithal from the countries giving in and then changing their economic policies. The dollar will collapse. The US will be isolated, and then they can use their forces here, their domestic communist forces that are in the White House already, that are in the the justice department, to to try to to just finish off The United States from within. That's one way it could go. But the other way is if we say, look.
• 1:15:39
  We can't surrender. We can't give in. And, like, Biden realizes they'll hang me if I do this. You know? I I how can I do this?
• 1:15:47
  I can't do this. If if we then defend, then they will attack. And I was told they've already you know, before Pearl Harbor, the Japanese had a weather broadcast, east wind rain. That was a signal we're gonna attack. Yeah.
• 1:16:05
  Go for it. Go attack. They have made 30 such messages for 30 separate sections of the People's Liberation Army, Army Navy, Air Force, Missile Forces to begin the attack. And my understanding of what I was told is that it would be attacks on our fleet and our nuclear forces, and it would be using DF 41 Chinese ICBMs. And so and I would expect the Russians would be part of this attack.
• 1:16:40
  It would be a joint Russian, Chinese, maybe North Korean attack, surprise attack on our and they wanna destroy our navy, and they want to cripple our nuclear deterrent and get the advantage at the beginning of a of a war. Their military doctrine says that the decisive weapon is the strategic nuclear weapon and that you use your most terrible weapon first.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You strike first. You strike heavy.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: You strike first. We we have, what is it, 450 nuclear warheads in our land based ICBM force, mostly in North Dakota. We have 720 missiles on our boomers, half of which at any given time are in port. And then we have, what is it, four 580 that could be fired from bombers, nuclear warheads. That approximately the 1,750 nuclear weapons that we have I mean, we have 2,000 more nuclear weapons, but they're in storage waiting to be disassembled.
• 1:17:37
  Right? We have 3,750. The Biden administration released this last year. We have 3,750 nuclear warheads, heads, but 2,000 are just in storage. We can't use them.
• 1:17:46
  You can't drop a bomb from storage. Right? And they're just waiting to be taken apart. Many of them probably have by now been taken apart. So we have 1,750 nuclear weapons, 450 in the ICBM.
• 1:17:57
  The 450 in the Dakotas will be destroyed in a surprise attack because they'll blind the satellites. And, of course, realistically, we can't launch on warning because it might be you know, we might be triggering a nuclear war on a accident and on a on a mistake. But when the when those ground sensors go off, we know we're attacked. When the ground sensors detecting nuclear devices striking those silos, we'll know we're under attack, but it'll be too late. So those 450, you could write them off.
• 1:18:26
  And they're our best, most accurate way of firing back. The submarine so and the bomber bases the 580 warheads and the bomber bases, they'll be destroyed on the ground too if the surprise attack work. Because they can launch from the coast, and they can launch some relaunched ballistic missiles.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: Well, that brings up a question that I have for you. And, also, Colton Brown on YouTube is about the container ships. So Colton on YouTube says, could all the container ships sitting off of California be holding nukes or other missiles for a quick first strike?
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's possible. You know, the club case system where they can put cruise missiles in containers, and the containers open up, and they could use cargo ships as attack platforms. That's been discussed. Center for Security Policy did some work on this some years ago.
• 1:19:12
  Yeah. It's a big concern. And the other thing, I just heard this morning from an intelligence source that the Russian the Chinese are taking Chinese merchant ships that have the Chinese markings on them and stuff. They're flagging them Panamanian, and they're making them look like they belong to other countries. Right?
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: Like the original pirate ship.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: Right. Right. Exactly. So this is very alarming. This is a very alarming development.
• 1:19:39
  And it's in keeping with the, you know, normal to war meeting in Guangdong where the governor of Guangdong and the head of the military district and their staffs all met. What are what are we gonna do on the civilian side? What are we gonna do on the military side to get ready for this war that's gonna happen? And and so as far as when the war begins, what mister Wang told me from his information, this is from the Chinese side, the Russians are hiding out in Siberia waiting to attack their best forces are in Siberia waiting to attack North America across the Arctic, get into Northern Canada and Alaska. The Chinese surprisingly have some kind of Arctic plan.
• 1:20:19
  I I found out that an Inuit tribal leader was bribe given a incredibly large bribe by the Chinese for them to get access to a, deepwater port in the Arctic and in the Canadian North. So there's there's this infiltration of Canada. You know? And there's an infiltration. There's Chinese all over Mexico.
• 1:20:38
  Yeah. Mexican Mexican port of Ensenada has been controlled by the Chinese for more than twenty years. And, Scott Goldbranson, who wrote The Silent Invasion, I've got this book here. This Scott Goldbranson was a reporter American reporter who went down into Mexico, and he found out about the infiltration of the Russians, Chinese, and Cubans into Mexico. And this book is 20 years old.
• 1:21:06
  Right? And a lot a number of his witnesses were threatened. Some of his witnesses that he quotes in here were murdered, including a Tijuana Policeman who really helped him. So the none none of this is new. In fact, colonel Lunev told me, yeah, Mexico is a big conduit.
• 1:21:24
  And he said the whole and a lot of people misquoted me about this invasion scenario. The the German invasion of Norway is the model. You send merchant ships in in time of peace with people on them, military people hidden inside. They dock in the port or just outside the port before they get inspected. A lot of our a lot of these ships are being inspected by the coast guard.
• 1:21:52
  You just machine gun the coast guard ship, you know, pull out your weapons, drop boats full with the troops. They go in with these boats, and they take over the port. And most of these ports are defended by guys with sidearms. They don't have heavy weapon. They don't have rifles.
• 1:22:07
  They the port would be overwhelmed. They'd seize the port. They bring the ships in. And if it's a RoRo ship, they got tanks and APCs on it. They offload them.
• 1:22:15
  Then the Chinese or the Russians, they drop a barrage of nukes inland to block off the port, make a sea of fire out of the neighborhoods around that port so that that our forces can't react to take the port back. They can offload those tanks, get an armored force on the ground, get a beachhead. Right? That's just a scenario I've I've created out of but it's something when they imagine it, you gotta try to imagine it the way they do. And, of course, how many supplies Golbranson's point is they're offloading military supplies, weapons, stockpiling them in Mexico.
• 1:22:50
  So what kind of supply depots have been prepositioned in Mexico to support an invasion of The United States? How many Chinese nationals are in Mexico, Canada, The United States, and North America that are actually reservists that can go to secret depots, put on uniforms, get weapons, and form military units right on the outset, seize airfields, seize ports. This is what happened in Norway. The Brandenburg regiment was something that Lunez mentioned to me. It's have infiltrators who come in as tourists or whatever, and they come to these places.
• 1:23:25
  There's no beach in vain. This is in Normandy. You're not landing on a beach. Right? That's way too far out of the way.
• 1:23:33
  Although there
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: But all these illegal immigrants coming across the southern border, you know, which I'm I've been getting a lot of reports from my contacts, because I know people that are on the border saying that they're no longer families. They're no longer, you know, mother, I mean, women and children. They're they're, you know, fighting aged men that are that are streaming across the borders down there.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. See, you can you can get an army inside a country. If you've prepositioned uniforms and weapons in a country, you can then infiltrate that border. See, it's it's weird. America is the only country in the world, and it's a major power, nuclear power.
• 1:24:08
  We don't have a southern border.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: We almost did.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: We almost did. Yeah. And so it's it's very dangerous because it means that a foreign military power could infiltrate thousands of troops across that border in peacetime. And and the same thing with the ships, bringing troops in peacetime in the holes of merchant ships like the Germans did in Norway. So there's no invasion fleet.
• 1:24:34
  Because like in Norway, except for going up Oslo's fjord, it was individual merchant ships, and they made sure it just looked like an innocent ship by itself, defenseless. You know? And then nobody sees an invasion because nobody sees the forest for the tree. Well, that's just a tree. That's not a forest.
• 1:24:50
  They don't see it. The British didn't see it. These ships, by the way, went right through the British the invasion went right through the British fleet. 1949, it's amazing story. But imagine that that you're timing this, and it's in peacetime, and there's no British fleet.
• 1:25:04
  And it's peacetime, and you are able to get these positions, and then the nukes hit. And you destroy the warships in their bases. You destroy the military bases. You you hit the air United States Air Force bases. And you that that covers your invasion.
• 1:25:18
  Then you can bring your fleet forward. You you're gonna attack this is what mister Wang said. You attack the First Island Chain, Second Island Chain, Third Island Chain. You absorb the Pacific. You get the control of everything you need to have your supply line, your long term supply line.
• 1:25:32
  Alright? You got your advanced supplies carry over your initial invasion, and your initial invasion force is just there to hold ports and airfields open to bring the rest in. Because you've gotta bring, you know, a 2,000,000 troops to be able to occupy, area as big as North America. And so this this is how you do it in in you know, if you think through the logistics. Very difficult.
• 1:25:58
  But if you've been preparing for twenty years and the other side's not noticing and
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Or worse the other side complicit in helping weaken the southern border, you know, not push for nuclear technology, everything then.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah. So Yeah. That that's the complicity on our side is what's really disturbing. We have to sort out.
• 1:26:18
  We have to find out who the domestic enemies are, the fifth column, who's cooperating with Russia and China. We need to to to arrest them and prosecute them because we're we are gonna go to war. We are gonna be at war with Russia and China. I'm sorry. Russia's not gonna ever be our friend in this.
• 1:26:36
  They're they've picked their friend. We gotta be adults. Don't be a child and say, well, I don't wanna play this way. I want Russia to be our no. It's not up to you, Jordan Peterson.
• 1:26:48
  You cannot make Russia your friend. You may need them to be your friend. Yeah. They already chose what side they're on.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: The fact that that Russia has sided with the CCP to me just says everything. I mean and then that's one thing that you know, look. May maybe there's you know, when Trump was in the White House, and he was in in, you know, talks with Putin, maybe there was some sort of strategy there where things could have gone a different way. But right now, that's not we've got Biden sitting in occupying our White House. We've got Putin and Xi Jinping aligning their countries against us.
• 1:27:20
  And that's just that is the unfortunate reality of of where we're at.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, the communist Daniel Ortega asked for Russian troops, ships, and aircraft, and Russia said yes. Daniel Ortega is a Marxist Leninist. If Putin is not a Marxist Leninist, why is he going to send troops to a Marxist Leninist regime? Why is socialist Venezuela it's a communist. Maduro is a communist.
• 1:27:45
  He's a Marxist Leninist. Why has Russia got troops in Caracas? Why does China have troops in Caracas? Why are they why is Russia helping, the communist regime in Cuba? Why did they double the rail tracks several years ago into North Korea?
• 1:28:02
  Why did the Russians do that? And why did they increase their military advisers to Korea A Few Years ago? And and look. You can go to Peter Price's testimony about the fact that Russian scientists have been involved in helping, North Korea acquire its nuclear weapons. This is a Russian violation of the nonproliferation treaty.
• 1:28:22
  Very clearly, nobody's gonna call them on it because we need Russia as a partner. You know? Same thing as Henry Kissinger. Oh, we need China as a partner. You know?
• 1:28:31
  In 1959, the head of the KGB, Alexander Schleppen, gave a lecture about the Tito Stalin split. And he said the thing that was so amazing is that when Tito, a communist, a Marxist Leninist, fell out with Stalin, the West rushed in and helped Tito, even giving him weapons and money. It's like, we need to have a false split with a communist country to get the West to run-in and help them. And somebody said, comrade general Shalepin, who are we gonna have a false split with? And he said, China.
• 1:29:01
  That was 1959, the year before the Sino Soviet split began. Right?
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: All there. It's all there. All there. A good question from Facebook. This is from Don Preston Ross who says, you know, I I've learned the same thing.
• 1:29:13
  Wouldn't it be more fruitful and prudent for China to do an EMP as radiation from nuclear fallout would affect our land, etcetera? Because we also know I I've I've studied EMPs and the effects they would have. And a successful EMP, especially if it really got got to our our power grid, would that in of itself could wipe off half the population of America. So why do you think they wouldn't go the route of an EMP?
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And, yeah, an EMP I think the EMP commission said it it's four fifths of, Americans would be dead within a year Yeah. Or eleven months or something like that. That is a possibility. It's a big unknown.
• 1:29:50
  Nobody they've done experiments with EMP. Nobody knows if it will have the effect it's supposed to have. Probably would. And there's there's another aspect that's been raised to me, And this is about nuclear power plants, fission plants. Remember, fission is dirty.
• 1:30:09
  Fusion is clean. A nuclear war, there's not as much contamination in using hydrogen bombs as your your the person asking the question thinks. It's not so bad. You can have a full blown nuclear war, you could be living in, in most places in America, and it would be just another day. You wouldn't know that there was any radiation.
• 1:30:32
  And and very small amounts of radiation are actually not, harmful. Actually, they did experiments with chickens, and they found in in other animals a certain amount of radiation actually in it makes the body it it sort of tones the body. It makes things in the cells work better because the body's reacting to the damage, and it's doing certain things that are helpful. So it's it's, you know, it's not what people think. There will be, you know, there will be radiation sickness.
• 1:31:03
  There will be don't drink milk. Stay away from milk. Or, like, go out of the areas.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: Buy powdered milk.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, but that's within a certain time frame. And it only matters if that area if you got strontium 90 falling fallout in a certain area. But it's not look. We already went through this. I remember living in California.
• 1:31:22
  The Chinese are doing a nuclear test. We think there might be some fallout hitting Northern California. You know, they were testing the cows. Right? I mean, this was I remember this when I was a kid, you know, watching it on TV.
• 1:31:36
  And so it's like not very many people noticed those. I was like, woah. That's kinda interesting. But, yeah, the we've been through this already. It's not but, about EMP, nuclear power plants need a constant flow of of coolant to keep them cool.
• 1:31:57
  You could do an EMP, the electricity stops, and the backup, generators can't be started.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, so EMP would lead to nuclear power plants potentially overheating.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: Potentially, but they do have I I talked to people who know this, people who are engineers, and what they do is they have a manual pull. And most of these reactors, I guess, the they can pull this thing and the and the fuel comes out. Right? The rods come out. And as long as you can pull the rods out but the problem is the reactor does not cool down immediately.
• 1:32:37
  You pull the rods out. So your power goes out. You manually pull the core out. You've got this tremendous heat, and you have no coolant circulation. So we don't know.
• 1:32:49
  And the other thing is these emergency procedures, this is I'm told in our nuclear plants now maybe they've changed this recently, but they don't they don't always know their alright. What's the nuclear they don't drill on them. So oh, no. Where do we do? What do we do?
• 1:33:05
  There's no power. The backup generator won't start. They get out the manual. They start looking. Everything's heating up.
• 1:33:12
  So by the time they figure it out, is there gonna be a meltdown? This is a unknown. This is an unknown. And it's very worrisome because one nuclear power plant melting down if it's in the certain cycle of its fuel use could be more radioactivity in the environment than a full blown hydrogen bomb war. People don't understand that.
• 1:33:33
  Fukushima is putting out has put out more radiation from that meltdown than if we had a full blown nuclear war.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: So Eskimo over on YouTube has asked a question that that I've been hearing a lot. And I know we talked about touched on this a little bit in the last show, but really wanna hear your thoughts again on this. And it's it's the idea that no one would dare attack The US because we have a hundred billion people as a standing army. We've got probably close to a billion guns in circulation. And that's probably one of the number one things that I hear from people if I say, look, you know, we're under threat of war, right, as I've been talking about recently.
• 1:34:07
  That's probably one of the number one responses. Say, look, Carl, we've got the largest army, and they wouldn't dare try anything on a US soil.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: Okay. You have let's say you have an EMP attack on The United States, and it doesn't melt down the plants. They figured out how to do it. You're gonna probably die of thirst before you get a chance to shoot anybody because you turn on your tap and no water comes out. Where are you gonna get drinkable water?
• 1:34:34
  You're gonna go to some place where it's not the water's not totally fit to drink. You're gonna drink the water, then you're gonna get dysentery. You're gonna die of dehydration. Right? So how do you stay alive?
• 1:34:47
  Now if you have a nuclear war, they they may not want to do that because, you know, if we got what, a hundred nuclear plants in North America that could damage the environment. So they may want to avoid that. And so they may just want to go with nuclear strikes and biological weapons. So but even with that, a lot of power is going be down a lot of the time. Where are you going to get your food?
• 1:35:10
  I mean, do you grow your own food? You go to the grocery store. The shelves will be empty. So are you going to be able so an army of a hundred million people with rifles with no food. And besides, have right where's your mortar?
• 1:35:24
  Where's your tank? Where's your anti tank weapon? Or you got a rifle. Can you stop an armored personnel carrier or a tank? No.
• 1:35:32
  They just run you over. So it it's more I mean, I'm not saying that you can't resist. There are places where you can hold up, and I'm sure the majority of most armies, Russian and Chinese, is infantry. And they may run out of supplies. The I don't wanna make people feel hopeless because, you know, if you read my book, I think I know what's gonna happen, and I've seen confirmation.
• 1:35:55
  Russians and Chinese leaders are psychopaths. They're not normal. They're not psychologically normal people. I mean, look, to do these things, you can't be psychologically normal. Because they believe in this socialist future, which is sort of justifying it or this criminal system they're gonna create, where they're kind of like human gods, that rule mankind and decide who lives and dies.
• 1:36:20
  But they don't realize is that when they do this, they destroy the global economy. You see it in China already with the banks failing. And you see it in Russia. Russia's propped themselves up by putting the ruble on the gold standard. They're not gonna pay out the rubles in gold.
• 1:36:35
  They're not gonna do that. This is just another lie. The the their economic systems, when they hit us, will suffer a kind of collapse. But we believe in free enterprise, and we believe in freedom and doing for ourselves. We'll be able to to keep our keep some semblance of an economy going after that collapse.
• 1:36:58
  We'll be able to get back on our feet. A lot of misery, of course, but we'll be able to get back on our feet. But their problem is their economies will collapse in the months following their attack on their on their customers, the Chinese on their customers. And they're sitting on 1,400,000,000 people. How are they going to pay them?
• 1:37:17
  And they may have stockpiled supplies and everything, but their people will be working without any money. They will be working as slaves to their system, and they will be missing inputs in their economies. And those inputs in their economies will basically, when they fail, they'll have, their own supply chain issues. Because they they always use the western the global economy to get the oh, wait a minute. We don't do the remember when China got mad at, Australia and they stopped their coal, their trade?
• 1:37:55
  And suddenly, the Chinese factories were shutting down because guess what? The coal from Australia hadn't arrived, and somebody didn't think, oh, no. We don't have a coal stockpile. Right? It's little mistakes like that that will overwhelm them.
• 1:38:07
  Their economies will collapse. They will have civil unrest at home. However far they get into our country, their supply lines, they'll stop. Their soldiers won't be getting anything, and they'll suddenly collapse. So if we can hold out until their systems collapse, we'll win.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: So this is this is okay. This, I think, is the most important message from the entire show that I've gotten out of this conversation, which is I mean, it's all very important, but this is key. Because I know that when listening to this information, it's overwhelming. And it's easy to have this feeling that, like, we just roll over and die. But that's the important thing.
• 1:38:46
  And this is also one of the messages that I consistently try to give people is that, yes, while I believe that we have really, really hard times ahead of us, that's for sure, nothing can change it. The dominoes started falling a century ago that have led to where we are right now. But the key, though, is I think that so much of this this drive that's coming after us, lot of the strength is coming from the CCP, which I think is the strongest of of the BRICS nations in in many ways, especially with their control, the brick, belt, and road, etcetera. But that fundamentally, though, they are very, very weak. And we're already seeing now.
• 1:39:17
  We're seeing that, you know, that there's riots right now because the Chinese citizens, they can't pull their money out of the banks. They're and so the fact you make a really, really good point there that let's say that they launch this initiative, they have such a a small window to accomplish this. And if the American people, and this is why I talk so much about food preparation, about learning skills, about building community, you know, getting closer to your labors, you know, securing your your water sources, you know, putting in even a hand driven water pump that you can get water from without relying on electricity. So if the American people, which we are very resilient, we've been lulled to sleep for a very long time, but our spirit is a fighting spirit. And if we can really just stand strong and come together as one nation, finally, maybe unite when we see the enemy at our front door, instead of arguing and bickering over, you know, whether boys can be girls or not, you know, if we can really come together and just and hold off and and and just strengthen ourselves that there is a very good chance you made a good point there that the the supply lines and that the the Chinese civilization, the people are gonna actually collapse the system in China.
• 1:40:29
  And and when that
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  Speaker 2: happens Yeah. They could even collapse before they launch the big attack, I mean, at the rate they're going. There's something I've called for years the bungle factor. Right? And I point to the date twenty two June nineteen forty one when Hitler attacked the Soviet Union.
• 1:40:46
  Many books, Viktor Suvorov among them, histories of that war have in more recent years said Stalin was planning to attack Hitler and had backed Hitler into a corner in negotiations that took place in late nineteen forty, and that Hitler lashed out because he he found himself in this position. That was a a blunder. And when Hitler attacked, he had these tremendous victories over Russia. And Russia suffered disproportionate casualties. And before that, in the winter war, when Russia invaded Finland, they got they got just devastated, maybe a million dead, you know, invading this little tiny country that's smaller than Ukraine is now.
• 1:41:30
  And what's interesting is that the Ukraine invasion, again, we see the bungle factor. The Russians lost huge numbers of tanks, did not practice combined arms strategy, did not get control of the air. Their missiles are going awry. They've had massive corruption in their contracting systems where weapon systems didn't work. The their training of their captains and lieutenants was inadequate, so their colonels had to come down to direct them, and their colonels were getting killed.
• 1:41:55
  We heard in the first several weeks of the war, 30 colonels have been killed, a dozen generals. Now that numbers those numbers have have probably more than doubled by now. We've got you know, we're looking at between thirty and and forty thousand Russian dead already. Even though Ukraine is maybe losing two hundred dead and wounded every day, the Russians are losing 700 dead and wounded every day. And they've got a, a, you know, three to one, four to one advantage in artillery over the Ukrainians, and they can't make that work even, you know, using World War one tactics.
• 1:42:27
  So this bungle factor is a huge thing for arguing that these people are crazy, and they're gonna lose. And I don't think the Chinese military, navy, army, air force is any better in terms of quality than the Russian. I think that they might their soldiers might be tougher than some of the Russian soldiers, although I wouldn't wanna take that away from the Russians. But it's it's they're gonna any attempt to take over the world is just crazy. And and this is why they have proceeded very cautiously, but they've painted themselves into a corner because now they've shown their hand.
• 1:43:08
  And they can't there's no walking it back. The Russians can't walk back. Oh, we're nice again. You just destroyed all these cities. You just killed tens of thousands of people, if not hundreds of thousands of people in Ukraine.
• 1:43:19
  You have shown you've revealed your face. You've you've taken the mask off, and there's a skull of death there. And the and the Chinese, the same thing. I mean, stealing people's organs out of their bodies when they're alive? Yeah.
• 1:43:31
  You know? We've known that for years, and then we've papered over it. And it's like, they're our partners. You're partners with murderers. Don't you understand?
• 1:43:39
  This is our guilt here. This is what we why something bad's gonna happen to us because we've done bad things by partnering with bad people.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. We've we've struck a lot of deals with the devil and all the deals that we've done with the CCP. And not just the deals that we've done. It's exactly what you talked about.
• 1:43:57
  It's us, you know, it's after June 4. Us, you know, going straight back over to China with our hands out. Let's just well, you know, we'll forget about the massacre of your innocent students in Tiananmen Square. The Falun Gong persecution, which you mentioned, the organ harvesting. All of the just looking away, looking, you know, looking past the Uighur concentration camps.
• 1:44:14
  Our corporations are just milking the slaves over there. And and it's unfortunate part because I think the the American people are good people by and large. But the problem is is that our government's been infiltrated, our corporations have been infiltrated, and they have done evil things. And so I think that what we're witnessing now is we'll probably experience the collapse of a lot of that evil. But I do really believe, and I'm glad that you've shared your perspective, it really makes sense that the good people, by the grace of God, if we can get back to the tradition that enables us to live off the land and come together as community, that we will be able to get through this.
• 1:44:47
  And on the other side of it, we'll live in a world where the CCP has collapsed and the Chinese people can reclaim their nation, and the a lot of the evil corporations and governances that in America will have collapsed, and the good people will be able to reclaim that. But it's a tough road to get through that, but we will get through it.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: It is civilization is a moral proposition. You have to have moral clarity, and that's one of the reasons why we don't have strategic or political clarity is that we don't have moral clarity. You know? When when people do bad things and and fudge on morality, there's something happens to their discernment. They lose some aspect of their ability to see and discern, and then they become subject to deception.
• 1:45:34
  And that describes us.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. So I've got one last question for you. I know it's it's almost 04:00, and I really appreciate you, just being here for this interview. It's extremely pertinent and helpful information.
• 1:45:48
  So this is from a chicken coop lady over on Rise TV. And she says, where do you see the American spirit? If the dollar falls, food chains crumbles, energy shortage, invasion war, do you believe that we have enough character left to survive and win?
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: Well, everybody who lays down and dies self selects to eliminate themselves from the process. So, you know, we've got a Gideon's army situation where, you know, the people that are going to stand up are gonna stand up. That's gonna make all the difference, and they're gonna come to the fore. And the people that have been, you know, doing the wrong things are gonna be discredited, instantly discredited. You're gonna have a complete transformation of the country through the events that happen.
• 1:46:32
  And it will be up to us. It will be up to us from moment to moment to do the right thing and to make the right choices. And I think, you know, you know, people, you know, like Jordan Peterson was saying, you know, Russia's moral and America's decrepit, and this is why the Russians are just defending themselves. Like, 36% of our people go to church every Sunday. 6% of theirs do.
• 1:46:55
  They have the highest abortion rate in the world. We just had we just reversed Roe versus Wade. So we we can mend. You know? We have the traditions.
• 1:47:07
  We can't come back. We have our constitution and our traditions of freedom and and trying to do the right thing and and be just, and we're not perfect. No country is. But but we have these things, and we need to cling to them and return to them. And and I think we're not so far gone that we can't.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that that's an important thing to remember. It is in our blood. And I and we do have the examples of the Great Depression, the previous wars, etc. And as much as a lot of our youth are completely indoctrinated and led astray, you know, if we go back to our parents, our grandparents, and we bring them back into the center of our culture and our community and tap into that wisdom, it's there for us.
• 1:47:48
  But I think what you mentioned earlier, so much just comes back to our moral compass. And I think that that's the important thing is that fundamentally, our country, we have to get back on straight north again with our moral compass, which really starts with with each and every person in America realizing that and and taking those steps to get themselves back on the right path again.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's about gratitude. Look, we I think we may be one of the few countries that has a holiday called Thanksgiving.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: And no matter how hard things get, they can't take away the great things we've had, the gifts we've had, and thanksgiving is thanksgiving to God. So when you show gratitude and and and even gratitude for even some of the bad things that help us because they those things are to strengthen us. Everything is different. Everything turns around, you know, when you have gratitude. When you have bitterness, when you have, poor me, when you go to despair, when you go to blame other people, that's no good.
• 1:48:52
  You know? Yeah. It's gonna be on us. It's gonna be on us.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Jeff, I'm very grateful that you've given us almost two hours of your day. And I want to encourage the audience to check out your blog, which is where I've learned a lot. I love reading what you've written. Jeff's website is just jrnyquist, that's nyquist.blog.
• 1:49:14
  So jrnyquist.blog. You can also search for him, the books that you've written. And I hope that, you know, to have you on again, probably there's probably gonna be a lot of updates within the next month or so, so probably to do this again. I just also want to thank everyone that's watching live. Thank you.
• 1:49:31
  I wish we could get through all the questions, but we'd probably be here for another three hours. So I just want to thank the audience for your participation. And remind you, A, to check out rise.tv, right, which is a free trial in the link below to check out the platform. And also to make sure that you're subscribing to my podcast, because every episode I'm putting out there is also going up on the podcast where you can listen while you're working and all that fun stuff. So, Jeff, thanks again for joining us.
• 1:49:59
  And I feel like as heavy as a conversation as this was, that we've somehow managed to end on a positive note. And I've got even more energy to go out there and and, you know, plant more seeds and go chop down some trees for firewood. So
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That'll be good too. So, yeah, everybody we just gotta pull together, you know, and it's amazing things can happen.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree. Well, thank you, Jeff. Take care until next time.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: Alright. Thank you.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: Bye, everybody.