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Pastor Warns of Sharia Takeover of Australia; Plus, the Bible Is SCIENCE w/ Andrew Sedra & Ken Ham · The Alex Marlow Show

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Speaker 1: We're continuing today with my series with top Christian culture warriors,
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Speaker 1: and we've got two absolutely brilliant guests today. First of all,
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Speaker 1: Pastor Andrew Sedra, who comes all the way from Australia
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Speaker 1: with a warning against Islamism and the gay agenda teaming
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Speaker 1: up to undermine Western values and Western civilization. He talks
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Speaker 1: about why they're working together so seamlessly, and he's gone
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Speaker 1: through so much just trying to preach the gospel in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Not only has the Islamists come after him and the
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Speaker 1: far left, but even the government has done nothing to
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Speaker 1: help and arguably destroyed has hurt. He's been targeted and
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Speaker 1: attacked and he deserves your listen. And I think you're
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Speaker 1: really going to love to hear what he's got to say.
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Speaker 1: A truly passionate person who preaches on behalf of Jesus
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Speaker 1: Christ with a massive following on TikTok of all places.
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Speaker 2: So super interesting. You will love to hear this conversation.
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Speaker 2: I believe. Plus Ken Ham is here.
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Speaker 1: Ken Ham is behind a couple of very vital museums,
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Speaker 1: a creation, the creation museum and the arc encounter where
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Speaker 1: he is doing all that he can to try to
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Speaker 1: preserve the the biblical origins of the United States and
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Speaker 1: provide families with interactive opportunities to learn about the biblical
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Speaker 1: roots of our Judeo-Christian culture that we're a part of.
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Speaker 1: He provides some vital arguments and raises some super interesting
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Speaker 1: questions as well. A truly unique voice who has put
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Speaker 1: his money where his mouth is for his entire career.
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Speaker 1: That's the conversation. Andrew Sedra, Ken Ham, here we go. Andrew,
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Speaker 1: really nice to meet you. And you've got a huge
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Speaker 1: following international, which is a major accomplishment. But you got
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Speaker 1: it the hard way, standing up not just against people
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Speaker 1: who don't like your message, preaching the gospel, but a
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Speaker 1: government that's very hostile, and some violent people who want
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Speaker 1: to harm you and your family.
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Speaker 2: Can you give people background who might not be as
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Speaker 2: familiar with what you're doing?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, my name is Andrew.
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Speaker 4: I grew up in the Islamic world of Egypt, and
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Speaker 4: my family immigrated to Australia in 2007.
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Speaker 3: Because my dad is a pastor and.
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Speaker 4: He was preaching the gospel to Muslims, which is punishable
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Speaker 4: by either going to jail or you get killed because
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Speaker 4: of Sharia law. So my family fled the Islamic takeover
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Speaker 4: of Egypt and we fled the persecution of Sharia law
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Speaker 4: for simply being Christian, preaching the gospel and building the
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Speaker 4: Church of Jesus Christ. That's kind of my background. And
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Speaker 4: then we immigrated to Australia to find the new gay
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Speaker 4: LGBTQ left-wing jihadist performing in the exact same way, whether
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Speaker 4: they're using the sword of the government, where if I
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Speaker 4: pray for a gay person in Sydney, I'll go to
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Speaker 4: jail for five years, and our church will get fined
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Speaker 4: $ 100, 000 if I preach a gospel in this context to
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Speaker 4: a gay person, that is considered conversion therapy, which is, again,
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Speaker 4: also you go to jail for five to eight years,
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Speaker 4: and now they are raising the definition from just praying, talking,
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Speaker 4: now they call it hate preaching.
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Speaker 3: So we fled the Islamic world under.
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Speaker 4: Sharia law to find the gay Sharia law in the
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Speaker 4: Australian world.
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Speaker 2: So how do you define that hate preaching?
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Speaker 3: Well, they literally defined it as, well, it's really preaching
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Speaker 3: that they hate. That's really the best definition.
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Speaker 2: It's preaching that they hate.
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Speaker 3: That's really what it is.
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Speaker 4: But they legally defined it as preaching that causes division,
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Speaker 4: hurts feelings, psychological harm, and offense.
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Speaker 3: So that really can mean anything.
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Speaker 4: There is no actual objective definition, which means the goal
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Speaker 4: is to suppress, oppress, to intimidate in order to silence.
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Speaker 4: So they purposely keep the definitions open, which means when
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Speaker 4: they decide to persecute you, the law is already there.
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Speaker 3: The sword is there.
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Speaker 2: So does it tempt you to leave?
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're building up a big congregation there, but
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Speaker 1: it just does feel like there are places on this
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Speaker 1: planet that.
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Speaker 2: where you can preach and not feel like you're going
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Speaker 2: to go to jail for.
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Speaker 3: Preaching the gospel. Yeah, well, we are traveling at the
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Speaker 3: moment in the U.S.
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Speaker 4: Giving America a prophetic warning of the liberal, gay, socialist,
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Speaker 4: Islamic agenda. You guys were on the verge of whether
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Speaker 4: it was Obama era, Biden era, Hillary Clinton, but we're
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Speaker 4: really giving America a prophetic warning of what can and
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Speaker 4: will happen if the church does not actually get their
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Speaker 4: hands dirty in the affairs of men.
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Speaker 1: So, tell me about what you view, we're all grappling
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Speaker 1: with this, but what does the LGBTQIA +, two-spirit, three-spirit,
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Speaker 1: four-spirit community, what do they.
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Speaker 3: Have in common?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
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Speaker 1: Pregnant man emoji, I throw that in there sometimes when
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Speaker 1: I'm doing the list.
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Speaker 2: What do they have in common with the Islamists you
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Speaker 2: want to throw.
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Speaker 3: Them off the list?
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Speaker 4: It's a very interesting combination because if you have ever
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Speaker 4: told me when I escaped the Islamic world of Egypt
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Speaker 4: that I'd gone to a country and I'd found gates
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Speaker 4: for Gaza, Queers for Palestine, chickens for KFC, pigs for bacon,
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Speaker 4: cows for McDonald's. I'll be like, no way, you're crazy.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't make a lot of sense. But as you
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Speaker 4: actually watch the philosophical, moral, spiritual.
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Speaker 3: Alliances, it actually makes a lot of sense.
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Speaker 4: Islam is a one-world order political ideology that pretends to
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Speaker 4: be a religion. The LGBTQ left-wing sex cult is... It's
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Speaker 4: a religion that pretends to be a political ideology. And
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Speaker 4: they have aligned over the unholy alliance of the left,
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Speaker 4: because both Islam and leftism socialism, they hate Christianity because
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Speaker 4: they hate freedom, and they hate freedom, and that is
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Speaker 4: why they hate America. So the point of alliance between
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Speaker 4: the Marxist-Islamic, Marxist-Socialist, Muslim-Communist, you see the rise of Zohran Mdani,
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Speaker 4: the rise of Abdul Sayyid, is that both godless leftism...
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Speaker 4: and violent islam they hate america because they hate christianity
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Speaker 4: because they hate freedom and they have found that common
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Speaker 4: alliance of the only way to destroy america land of
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Speaker 4: the free and home of the brave is by forming
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Speaker 4: the unholy alliance.
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Speaker 1: It's a fantastic answer so you've gone through a lot
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Speaker 1: of turmoil and strife on a family level you and
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Speaker 1: your brother i think your wife's involved as well but
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Speaker 1: They're really trying to come after you.
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Speaker 2: Explain what you've been through.
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Speaker 4: It was two weeks ago when our address was leaked
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Speaker 4: online to the LGBTQ, the event plus or minus division people.
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Speaker 4: We had four LGBTQ and far left activists come to
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Speaker 4: our home. They attacked our home. They attacked us. They
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Speaker 4: threatened to kill us. and destroy us they said I'm
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Speaker 4: going to F and kill you and we're here to
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Speaker 4: destroy you they went directly after me my wife Martin
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Speaker 4: Millie my brother and his wife and their newborn thank
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Speaker 4: the Lord we were not there at the moment they
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Speaker 4: broke the camera so we couldn't know what was happening
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Speaker 4: but we had two more cameras so the whole interaction
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Speaker 4: was recorded as they came we did not know we
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Speaker 4: could have been killed like they said we're going to
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Speaker 4: F and kill you so what does that mean You
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Speaker 4: saw that with Charlie Kirk, he was killed by left-wing
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Speaker 4: gay jihadists. So the reality is the intention of destruction
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Speaker 4: and the desire to kill was there. But thank the Lord,
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Speaker 4: we accidentally ended up going last minute to meet with
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Speaker 4: my wife's parents. It was really an accident, so nobody
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Speaker 4: happened to be there. We literally landed from the U.S.
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Speaker 4: on Tuesday morning. to be attacked on Wednesday night. But
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Speaker 4: thank the Lord, but we did know from that moment,
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Speaker 4: the police told us there is nothing they can do
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Speaker 4: to help us.
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Speaker 2: So this is what I was going to ask.
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Speaker 1: Law enforcement and the government, I assume they're stepping in
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Speaker 1: to defend your right to speak, preach the gospel.
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Speaker 2: They're on your side, right?
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Speaker 4: Well, according to what we got told, the police said, well,
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Speaker 4: number one, they didn't want to escalate the crime to
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Speaker 4: a hate crime. So they came to investigate our church
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Speaker 4: two to three weeks before for what they call hate
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Speaker 4: speech and hate crime. But when I tried to press
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Speaker 4: charges on the LGBTQ and left-wing activists of hate crime,
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Speaker 4: they literally attacked a pastor for being a Christian and
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Speaker 4: a conservative for what we believe, Christianity. He said that
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Speaker 4: doesn't qualify. So I told him, can I go to
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Speaker 4: a gay person and knock on the door, I'm going.
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Speaker 3: To say I'm going to kill you? Like, no, no, no,
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Speaker 3: that's hate.
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Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, then how come it only works
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Speaker 4: that way? So we can see clearly in Sydney, double-tier policing.
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Speaker 4: That policing, Christian conservatives, different to the LGBTQ sex cult.
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Speaker 1: So you're saying that preaching the gospel is a hate crime,
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Speaker 1: but violently docking someone, attacking their house is not, because
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Speaker 1: they're preaching the gospel, is not a hate crime.
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Speaker 3: That's literally, Pretty much, that's what the police said.
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Speaker 4: After having a one hour and a half conversation with
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Speaker 4: the detective and the police, they came to our church.
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Speaker 3: That was the conclusion.
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Speaker 4: That was just a.
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Speaker 3: Threat of intimidation.
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Speaker 2: America's perception of Australia is we like Australia. And we
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Speaker 2: think that it is cool.
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Speaker 3: It's a beautiful country.
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Speaker 2: And we know it's got great golf courses. We like the.
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Speaker 3: People who come here.
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Speaker 2: They're always super cool.
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Speaker 1: I got kids of a certain age, so the spider
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Speaker 1: is just unbelievable. They learn about that stuff. It's fun
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Speaker 1: to make the jokes. Bluey is the best kid show
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Speaker 1: of all time. I can't believe it's so random that
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Speaker 1: just came from Australia.
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Speaker 2: Literally, brilliant show. But that's not really the reality there.
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Speaker 1: It's becoming a far-left Utopia, is it not?
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Speaker 4: Yeah. The church has been silent for the last 50 years.
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Speaker 4: The church played the whole game, just preach Jesus, don't
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Speaker 4: do politics. So we saw across the last 70 years
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Speaker 4: a rise of far left-wing activism, which only is now
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Speaker 4: leading to the rise of Islam. You saw a few
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Speaker 4: months ago in Sydney, we have the biggest terrorist attack
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Speaker 4: in the history of Australia, where 15 Jews were killed
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Speaker 4: and butchered for the crime.
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Speaker 3: Of not being a Muslim.
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Speaker 4: So Australia has taken the socialist road. So at the moment,
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Speaker 4: our Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, he's a democratic socialist, queers
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Speaker 4: for Palestine, gays for Gaza, Islamic sympathizer type of guy.
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Speaker 4: So it's equivalent to Zohra Mamdani running the whole country.
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Speaker 2: Is there hope, though? Is there hope there?
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Speaker 4: If the church fights a good fight, there is always hope.
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Speaker 4: The Bible said, the king prepares for battle, victory comes
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Speaker 4: from the Lord. There is hope if there is courage, strength, sacrifice,
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Speaker 4: and taking the risk.
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Speaker 3: Of potentially dying or going to jail.
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Speaker 4: The question is, will the people step up with courage
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Speaker 4: and boldness, or will they play apathy and cowardice?
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Speaker 2: And that's the question I've been asking every.
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Speaker 1: religious person who's come through i've been doing these interviews
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Speaker 1: for the last couple of days and i'm and i
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Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit on the stage during
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Speaker 1: my portion is that how do we get a stronger
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Speaker 1: church like we all are in agreement the church is
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Speaker 1: too weak right now how do we make.
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Speaker 4: It stronger so america is in the most blessed place
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Speaker 4: because it is the last man standing when uk left-wing
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Speaker 4: activism socialism and islam rose from the 1960s there was
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Speaker 4: no social media there was no internet They were kind
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Speaker 4: of the test case, the modern-day test case of what
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Speaker 4: would happen as godless leftism and sexually perverted liberalism and
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Speaker 4: the gay socialist agenda takes over and the multicultural concept
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Speaker 4: of destroying civilization, eliminating borders, and Islamizing the world to
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Speaker 4: create a multicultural, non-Christian society.
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Speaker 3: When that happened to UK, Germany, and Europe, there was
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Speaker 3: no internet. And they were the first.
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Speaker 4: Test case for a while So they couldn't see the
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Speaker 4: writing on the wall. Anybody that spoke was an alarmist,
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Speaker 4: conspiracy theorist, far-right activist. The beauty with the American church,
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Speaker 4: you just need to look at Australia, UK, Canada, Germany,
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Speaker 4: and France. You don't need to look very far. They
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Speaker 4: are Western Christian countries that were like.
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Speaker 3: You 10 to 20 years ago.
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Speaker 4: So you can look to see what is happening to
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Speaker 4: us in Australia.
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Speaker 3: It's what's coming here very soon.
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Speaker 4: If the church doesn't get the Christianity involved in their politics.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like with your message, you're very passionate
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Speaker 1: about preaching the gospel, which I love, and that's an
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Speaker 1: end in and of itself, but I imagine you would
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Speaker 1: like to see more of your fellow countrymen start actually believing.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're seeing progress, or do you
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Speaker 1: feel like it's going in the wrong direction?
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Speaker 3: In Australia, not yet.
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Speaker 4: We have been fighting hard, speaking loud, and preaching bolder,
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Speaker 4: but there is a sense of apathy because it went
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Speaker 4: from Lack of courage, chakras, and now apathy.
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Speaker 3: And what is apathy?
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Speaker 4: They just don't give a crap. You can talk to
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Speaker 4: Americans here, or some Christians. Hey, dude, the mayor of
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Speaker 4: New York, the city that had 9-11, the people that
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Speaker 4: killed 3,000 Americans, it's a Muslim. And you'll find Christians
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Speaker 4: that will say, well.
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Speaker 2: I don't really care.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Some of them like it. That's a plus for them.
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Speaker 2: Not even a neutral thing. That's a positive thing.
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Speaker 1: I was struck by Abdul El-Sayed's comment about October the 7th,
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Speaker 1: where he said that it was hurt people hurting people,
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Speaker 1: which is not only false, it's historically completely illiterate. The
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Speaker 1: worst terrorist attacks in modern times are all from affluent
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Speaker 1: people who know.
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Speaker 4: Exactly what they're doing. I've been hurt by the Islamic
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Speaker 4: world of Egypt. I didn't know how to bomb myself.
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Speaker 4: I didn't know how to rape women. I didn't know
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Speaker 4: how to mutilate men. That's a very weird way of
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Speaker 4: viewing the world. Right.
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Speaker 3: Christians in the Middle East are very persecuted.
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Speaker 4: We don't go and mutilate men, behead innocent people, kill babies,
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Speaker 4: and rape women. There's no hurt people who hurt people.
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Speaker 4: That's evil and wicked. And the church needs to provide
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Speaker 4: a clear moral stance of what is right and what
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Speaker 4: is wrong. Because what's happening at the moment, the world
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Speaker 4: is going crazy.
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Speaker 1: Why are pastors so reluctant to speak in this way?
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Speaker 1: Because it's not really political. It's just correcting, obviously, false statements.
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Speaker 1: We're supposed to be for truth, right?
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I see two problems in the American church. I'm not
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Speaker 4: sure the percentage. There's a significant amount of people that
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Speaker 4: are not speaking.
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Speaker 3: I'm very grateful.
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Speaker 4: There's so many pastors, like Pastor Alan Jackson, Charlie Kirk,
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Speaker 4: the modern-day Christian martyr, and there's a significant amount of
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Speaker 4: pastors speaking. There's still people that are not speaking. But
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Speaker 4: what I see is two things. Number one, intellectual stupidity.
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Speaker 4: People are not willing to actually gain knowledge, wisdom, and understanding.
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Speaker 4: So they'll say, Islam is peace, Islam is religion of peace,
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Speaker 4: religion of liberty. I'm like, before you talk about Islam,
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Speaker 4: have you actually read the Quran? Right. So before you
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Speaker 4: become an Islam apologist and let's welcome the immigrant and
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Speaker 4: let's make America multicultural and multi-faith, can you know what
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Speaker 4: you're talking about before you talk about it? So I
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Speaker 4: see a problem of intellectual stupidity. It's an unwillingness to
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Speaker 4: learn about something that you don't know about, but then
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Speaker 4: you're defending something that you don't know.
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Speaker 1: So you've got your message dialed so that it is
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Speaker 1: pretty viral on socials. That's a huge accomplishment for anyone,
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Speaker 1: in general, it's a competitive marketplace, but specifically for Christians,
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Speaker 1: being able to frame up arguments so that they get
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Speaker 1: shared online. Were you surprised by the success at all,
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Speaker 1: or what do you attribute it to?
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Speaker 3: Thank the Lord.
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Speaker 4: Honestly, there is a huge portion of Gen Z that
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Speaker 4: are very curious for truth. Gen Z is a very philosophical,
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Speaker 4: very intellectual.
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Speaker 3: They're very easy to indoctrinate. It's very sad.
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Speaker 4: That's why they would be able to indoctrinate with the
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Speaker 4: left-wing gay agenda or now with the pro-Islam, queers for
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Speaker 4: Palestine or free for Palestine.
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Speaker 3: Agenda with Tucker and Candace.
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Speaker 4: But the reality is Gen Z is the most curious generation.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I find that too.
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Speaker 4: So we look at the gap and I was like,
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Speaker 4: if the fake news media is discipling Gen Z... If
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Speaker 4: CNN and Hollywood and the most evil and weakest sexually
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Speaker 4: perverted people are telling young people what to believe, as
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Speaker 4: a pastor, it's my job to give them another option.
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Speaker 1: This is so profound and important for people, both political, religious,
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Speaker 1: or where I'm at.
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Speaker 2: We're sort of occupying both, at least for the moment.
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Speaker 1: But it's so important because I do find the Gen
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Speaker 1: Z in America much worse educated and much worse churched.
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Speaker 1: There's fewer of them going to church, and the churches
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Speaker 1: aren't strong enough. And the education is just worse. And
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Speaker 1: that means that they're less literate than prior generations would
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Speaker 1: have been at their age. But the one thing I
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Speaker 1: do see, and you nailed it, they are super curious.
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Speaker 2: They want to know. They want to find stuff out.
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Speaker 4: Which is not normal. The generation, Gen Y, Gen X,
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Speaker 4: they're more like, whatever. It will be all right. They're
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Speaker 4: happy with the sloganeering Christianity. Love God, love people.
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Speaker 3: God is love.
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Speaker 4: Gen Z seems to be very interested in the debate.
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Speaker 4: So we have a very small, tiny moment of time
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Speaker 4: where the next generation is hungry and desperate for knowledge.
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Speaker 4: And whoever's going to give them a good argument and
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Speaker 4: speak louder will win.
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Speaker 3: And that's where the marketing comes in.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're touring America right now. Where are the stops?
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Speaker 2: What are you trying to accomplish? Tell me all the
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Speaker 2: stuff you're doing here.
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Speaker 4: We are here to give America a prophetic warning about Islam.
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Speaker 4: My family escaped the Islamic world of Egypt because of
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Speaker 4: Sharia law.
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Speaker 3: We were about to.
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Speaker 4: Get killed, but the Lord saved us, and I'm here
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Speaker 4: to give America a warning. Egypt used to be Christian,
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Speaker 4: now it's a Muslim nation. Israel used to be Christian
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Speaker 4: and became Muslim until Israel in 1948.
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Speaker 3: Syria, Iraq used to be Christian, now it's Muslim.
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Speaker 4: The ancient Christian city of Constantinople, modern-day Turkey, used to
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Speaker 4: be Christian, now it's Muslim. The reality is Islam is
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Speaker 4: the biggest existential threat to the American Republic. You're watching
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Speaker 4: it take UK, Canada, Australia, and I'm here to give
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Speaker 4: America a prophetic warning. about what happened in our country,
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Speaker 4: in Egypt, what's happening in the UK, what's happening in
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Speaker 4: New York, and it's my prayer that the people will
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Speaker 4: start to get involved in politics, because if they don't,
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Speaker 4: the Muslims are ready.
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Speaker 1: One thing that's fascinating to me is there was this
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Speaker 1: myth for so long that they were moderate Muslims, and
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Speaker 1: I always want to know who they are.
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Speaker 2: Where are they? Where are they hiding?
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Speaker 1: And I want to ask you, are they out there?
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Speaker 1: And then you see people like Mamdani and Saeed, who
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Speaker 1: can present online.
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Speaker 2: And they're not talking about Islam all the time.
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Speaker 1: But they're really, when they're pressed, they're not saying anything
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Speaker 1: that different. Maybe they're not saying fly the planes into
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Speaker 1: the towers, but I mean, it's not a far.
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Speaker 4: So you've got three layers of Islam mainly. You've got
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Speaker 4: the jihadists, which are the 9-11, October 7th, Osama Bin Laden, Hamas,
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Speaker 4: but then you've got the Islamists. The Islamists are the
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Speaker 4: one that their goal is to Islamize a nation, a people,
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Speaker 4: and civilization... Without them knowing. So Islamists will look like
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Speaker 4: you and I. That's the point. They are secret soldiers,
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Speaker 4: undercover militant men, who their goal is to use the
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Speaker 4: principle of taqiyya. Because in Christianity we believe in truth.
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Speaker 4: Truth at all costs. Jesus is the way, the truth,
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Speaker 4: and love, and you are the truth, and the truth.
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Speaker 3: That you free.
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Speaker 4: But in Islam, there's taqiyya. Taqiyya is an Islamic principle
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Speaker 4: where you are allowed to lie, in order to further
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Speaker 4: the cause of Allah. So every time you're dealing with
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Speaker 4: a Muslim, you don't know if they're saying the truth.
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Speaker 4: Are they practicing taqiyya? Or are they lying? Are they moderate?
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Speaker 4: Are they radical? And even when you say moderate, Egypt
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Speaker 4: where I was born, where we got escaped under Sharia law,
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Speaker 4: that's a moderate Muslim country. So what I'm telling you
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Speaker 4: is not radical Islam, it's actually moderate Islam. So Islam
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Speaker 4: is not moderate. Islam by nature is radical. So when
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Speaker 4: you say moderate Islam, I don't know what does it mean.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the texts are so radical, and also they're not
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Speaker 1: this big moderate Islamic movement.
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure what country would you say is a
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Speaker 4: moderate Muslim country.
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Speaker 2: I don't have any example.
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Speaker 1: And this is what's interesting is that we're now 25
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Speaker 1: years since 9-11.
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Speaker 2: There's been no emerging moderate Islam.
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Speaker 1: And I just find that to be true. The burden
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Speaker 1: of proof is on them, I think, if they're here.
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Speaker 1: And we're all tolerant on this, especially on a personal
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Speaker 1: level in America. We're almost tolerant to a fault. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's why it explains all the trans stuff to a
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Speaker 1: large degree. That explains the open border crisis that we have.
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Speaker 1: We're almost tolerant to a fault. But I do think
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Speaker 1: that Americans, we need to call on the Muslim community,
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Speaker 1: the Muslim world.
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Speaker 2: To prove that they're not going to keep doing October
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Speaker 2: the 7th type stuff. And they're not doing it.
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Speaker 4: And even then, we do not know how truthful they're
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Speaker 4: going to be. When you look at UK, when you
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Speaker 4: look at Australia, the Muslims are not behaving well. They
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Speaker 4: are infiltrating political institutions, establishing Sharia law. Right now, in Sydney,
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Speaker 4: we are having a massive debate whether we should be
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Speaker 4: playing the call to prayer on Friday.
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Speaker 3: Across the islamic areas and they're.
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Speaker 4: So we're already watching sharia law when they started building
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Speaker 4: the mosque they said we just want to build a
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Speaker 4: mosque right we want to worship allah want to be
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Speaker 4: peaceful now they are installing the call to prayer speakers
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Speaker 4: and they're fighting hard to ensure that on friday the
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Speaker 4: call of prayer is played across all the islamic areas
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Speaker 4: in sydney So we're now watching the Islamization of Australia
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Speaker 4: happen in real time. And what people aren't saying, that
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Speaker 4: call to prayer, it's a very big thing because it
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Speaker 4: literally says there's no God but Allah and he's one
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Speaker 4: false prophet Muhammad. So when they say the call to prayer,
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Speaker 4: it's a sign of them taking over a nation. The
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Speaker 4: call to prayer in Islam is an invitation to every
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Speaker 4: Christian and Jew and pagan to become Muslim or.
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Speaker 3: They get killed.
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Speaker 4: So we are already watching Australia implement Sharia law.
21:36
Speaker 1: Andrew Sedra, your ministry, tell people about how they can
21:39
Speaker 1: follow it if they want to keep up with you
21:40
Speaker 1: and where to find.
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Speaker 5: All your stuff.
21:41
Speaker 4: You can find all of us on social. There's like
21:43
Speaker 4: two of me, me and my brother, and I'm married,
21:45
Speaker 4: he's married. There's like eight Sedras. If you go on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, IG, whatever,
21:52
Speaker 4: go Sedra. There's Andrew Sedra, Marla Sedra, Nolene Sedra, Millie Sedra,
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Speaker 4: John Sedra, Alex Martinez Sedra. So you can find us
21:59
Speaker 4: or you can go Echo Church on our platform. You'll
22:01
Speaker 4: be able to find us.
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Speaker 2: Keep up the great work and keep us posted on
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Speaker 2: how you're doing.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
22:09
Speaker 2: Ken Ham is with me.
22:10
Speaker 1: He is the founder of Genesis, which gave us the
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Speaker 1: Ark Encounter as well as so many other treasures that
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Speaker 1: we've had. Tell me the concept of trying to reach
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Speaker 1: younger people through a ministry that is also interactive and
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Speaker 1: trying to get people engaged with the Bible on that level.
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Speaker 5: Well, one of the things I've found as I've traveled
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Speaker 5: around the world, actually I've been speaking for 51 years
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Speaker 5: on this topic. And one of the things I've found
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Speaker 5: is it doesn't matter what country you're in, that people
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Speaker 5: will bring up the same basic questions. They say, oh,
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Speaker 5: we live in a scientific age and science has disproved
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Speaker 5: the Bible and how can you believe the Bible is true?
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Speaker 5: And what about millions of years and evolution and dinosaurs
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Speaker 5: and races? And so it goes on. And one of
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Speaker 5: the things that I have always emphasized is that we
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Speaker 5: need to be equipping people to be able to defend
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Speaker 5: the Christian faith against the secular attacks of our age,
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Speaker 5: and that's called apologetics. And so most churches aren't doing that,
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Speaker 5: is what I find. The majority of churches are not
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Speaker 5: equipping young people, besides which we see a generational loss
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Speaker 5: in the church. It's a catastrophic generational loss in the West.
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Speaker 5: I mean, look at England. It's down to 4% church
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Speaker 5: attendance overall. And in America, probably... nine to 10% Generation
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Speaker 5: Z now attending Protestant churches. So we see a catastrophic
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Speaker 5: generational loss. And one of the things that I've always
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Speaker 5: had a burden for is how do you reach those
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Speaker 5: people with a message that the church is not giving
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Speaker 5: by and large? Yeah, there are exceptions, but by and large,
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Speaker 5: they're not giving. And how do you equip them And
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Speaker 5: so the idea was to build attractions that are world-class,
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Speaker 5: and they are. The Creation Museum, the Ark Encounter are
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Speaker 5: the two leading Christian-themed attractions in the world that will
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Speaker 5: bring people in and also be such that they'll bring
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Speaker 5: non-Christians in. And so 30% of those who come are non-Christian,
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Speaker 5: people from all different backgrounds. And, you know, you wouldn't
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Speaker 5: see at an average church, no matter what denomination it is,
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Speaker 5: you wouldn't see Sikhs and Buddhists and Orthodox Jews and
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Speaker 5: catholic nuns and priests and amish and mennonite and presbyterians
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Speaker 5: and baptists all in the one location like that but
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Speaker 5: you do at the ark encounter in the creation museum
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Speaker 5: and they come from all over the world and what
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Speaker 5: we do is we have exhibits that are world class
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Speaker 5: and we're not hitting people on the head with the
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Speaker 5: bible but we're answering the questions that we know today
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Speaker 5: cause people to say the bible can't be true and
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Speaker 5: they're particularly questions aimed at the history in genesis 1
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Speaker 5: to 11 and so as people get those answers it
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Speaker 5: challenges them concerning the worldview they have, the secular worldview
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Speaker 5: they have, and points them to the truth of God's
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Speaker 5: word and the saving gospel.
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Speaker 1: It's so essential, especially in the digital age, the internet age,
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Speaker 1: is that being able to, this is a single point
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Speaker 1: of failure. People who might be interested, might be curious
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Speaker 1: about the church, might be curious about the Christian faith,
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Speaker 1: they get derailed very quickly if they think, well, this
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Speaker 1: is a major hole in the arguments and no one's
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Speaker 1: filling me in and so I'm just going.
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Speaker 2: To go elsewhere.
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Speaker 5: You know, many, many of the atheists in America that
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Speaker 5: are involved, you know, very actively in promoting atheism and
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Speaker 5: challenging in Christian faith were brought up in Christian homes
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Speaker 5: or church homes, I should say. And they went to church,
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Speaker 5: but a lot of them give testimony. They never got
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Speaker 5: answers to their questions. Wow. And it's a failure of
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Speaker 5: the church in many, many ways. And so that's what
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Speaker 5: we want to do is give them those answers and,
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Speaker 5: And when they see those logical answers, it's pointing to
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Speaker 5: the truth of God's Word.
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Speaker 1: So I want to talk about both the Creation Museum
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Speaker 1: and the Ark Encounter. But first of all, just this
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Speaker 1: broader concept is so important.
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Speaker 3: What are the.
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Speaker 1: Key questions that you feel like the church and the physical,
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Speaker 1: the corpus of the people who attend, that we're not supplying,
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Speaker 1: that we could supply better? What are the key questions
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Speaker 1: that are the sticking points that you feel like?
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Speaker 5: Well, I'd say, first of all, there's some overall issues.
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Speaker 5: Most churches don't understand biblical worldview, that your worldview has
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Speaker 5: a foundation. It's either God's word or man's word. They
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Speaker 5: don't teach that. They think adding Bible verses to something
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Speaker 5: is creating a biblical worldview, which it is not. It
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Speaker 5: might be Bible integration, but it's not true biblical worldview.
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Speaker 5: They also don't understand the concept of neutrality, that there
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Speaker 5: is no neutral position. Jesus said that you're either for
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Speaker 5: me or against. You gather or scatter. You build your
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Speaker 5: house on the rock or the sand. you walk in
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Speaker 5: light or darkness, there's no neutral position, which means there's
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Speaker 5: no non-religious position. And this is a failure, I think,
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Speaker 5: of the church in regard to equipping people to understand
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Speaker 5: government and the fact that Christians need to be voting
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Speaker 5: and Christians need to be involved in government because if
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Speaker 5: you don't, with a biblical worldview, be involved to vote
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Speaker 5: in accord with that, then secularists will, and they are,
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Speaker 5: and are taking over. And the reason is because they
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Speaker 5: want to impose their anti-God worldview on the culture. And
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Speaker 5: so many churches have failed for people to understand that
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Speaker 5: when a group of atheists comes in and says, you
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Speaker 5: can't have crosses or nativity scenes in a public place
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Speaker 5: because you're imposing your Christian religion, when they remove them,
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Speaker 5: they've imposed their atheist religion because atheism is a religion.
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Speaker 5: There is no non-religious position. Their religion is a worldview
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Speaker 5: that's anti-God. It's based on naturalism that determines their morality.
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Speaker 5: terms of worldview and how they interpret everything and so
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Speaker 5: there's been a failure in that regard and then there's
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Speaker 5: been a failure in regard to what has been taught
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Speaker 5: through the education systems the secular education systems in regard
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Speaker 5: to evolution and millions of years and so people have
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Speaker 5: these questions well well if the bible says god created
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Speaker 5: in six days and that's not true because of millions
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Speaker 5: of years how can i believe the rest and well
27:56
Speaker 5: wait a minute if you're saying we go back to
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Speaker 5: adam and eve what about all the ape men or
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Speaker 5: where did cain get his wife or How do you
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Speaker 5: explain the so-called races of people? Of course, there aren't
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Speaker 5: any races. We're all one race. We all go back
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Speaker 5: to Adam and Eve, and that's a whole other issue.
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Speaker 5: What about dinosaurs? Don't they disprove the Bible? Noah couldn't
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Speaker 5: get all the animals on the ark. Therefore, it can't
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Speaker 5: be true. And so much of the church has not
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Speaker 5: addressed those questions. Now, there are more that are because,
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Speaker 5: I think, of the impact of our ministry of answers
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Speaker 5: in Genesis, the ark, the creation museum. And that's what
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Speaker 5: we find is that it's interesting that Of those that
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Speaker 5: come to the Ark and the Creation Museum, about 1.5
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Speaker 5: million unique visitors a year that would come. And we've
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Speaker 5: had 16 million people come to Northern Kentucky since the
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Speaker 5: Creation Museum was first opened. But our research indicates each
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Speaker 5: year over 100,000 profess that they became Christians as a result,
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Speaker 5: that's per year, as a result of coming to the
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Speaker 5: Ark or the Creation Museum. So that's the impact it
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Speaker 5: has when you give answers and point people to God's Word.
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Speaker 2: So let's take a couple on.
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Speaker 1: Take on the creation, the God creates the earth in
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Speaker 1: a six-day period and rests on the seventh day. How
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Speaker 1: does someone who's an atheist and says, well, that obviously
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Speaker 1: didn't happen, so I'm out.
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Speaker 2: I'm out of everything. Well, what's your response?
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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, as a Christian, if I'm talking
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Speaker 5: to a Christian, I say, well, look at the context,
29:20
Speaker 5: look at the language. The Hebrew word yom, when it's
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Speaker 5: qualified by evening, morning, number, or night, means an ordinary day.
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Speaker 5: And that is so for each of the six days.
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Speaker 5: Exodus 20 verse 11, which is the basis of the
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Speaker 5: fourth commandment, says that's a basis for our seven-day week.
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Speaker 5: I would ask an atheist, by the way, why do
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Speaker 5: we have a seven-day week? Because you don't get that
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Speaker 5: from any observations in astronomy or anything like that. It
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Speaker 5: actually comes from the Bible based upon the creation week.
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Speaker 5: But the other thing is we've got to understand the
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Speaker 5: spiritual nature of the battle. And in other words, an
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Speaker 5: atheist is not a neutral person. He's already against God.
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Speaker 5: And therefore, he's not going to believe God. He doesn't
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Speaker 5: want to believe God's word. But then I like to
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Speaker 5: ask them, well, why do you not believe God's word?
30:03
Speaker 5: Give me some specifics. What is it? And they might
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Speaker 5: bring up, oh, millions of years has proved the Bible
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Speaker 5: is wrong. Science has disproved the Bible. As soon as
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Speaker 5: I say science has disproved the Bible, I will ask them,
30:15
Speaker 5: what do you mean by science? Because most of them
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Speaker 5: can't explain that. You know what I find? Most of
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Speaker 5: these people, these atheists and others that argue against the
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Speaker 5: Christian faith, from my subjective experience, over 90%, I think
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Speaker 5: it's 98%, have no idea what they're talking about. They
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Speaker 5: just regurgitate what they've been taught and heard, and they
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Speaker 5: can't really think for themselves logically. They don't think properly.
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Speaker 5: Most of them don't understand that the word science just
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Speaker 5: means knowledge. It comes from the Latin scientia, which means
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Speaker 5: to know. And so when you look up a dictionary
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Speaker 5: definition of science, it says knowledge, having knowledge. And so
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Speaker 5: what do they mean when they say science disproves the Bible?
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Speaker 5: And I explained to them, I debated Bill Nye, the
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Speaker 5: science guy, back in 2014, and probably over 25 million
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Speaker 5: people have seen that debate. And one of the things
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Speaker 5: I said to him was, Bill, there's two different types
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Speaker 5: of science. There's historical science, and that means your beliefs
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Speaker 5: about the past when you weren't there. Then there's observational science. Now,
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Speaker 5: observational science, or operational science, is when you use your
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Speaker 5: five senses in the present, gain knowledge, that builds our technology.
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Speaker 5: And it doesn't matter whether you're an atheist or a Christian,
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Speaker 5: we all agree with that science. To say that Christians
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Speaker 5: reject science is nonsense. We disagree with the historical science
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Speaker 5: of the atheists who say everything happened by chance, random processes,
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Speaker 5: there is no God. Our historical science comes from the Bible,
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Speaker 5: and we would say that historical science of creation, the
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Speaker 5: fall of man, the entrance of sin, death, the flood,
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Speaker 5: the Tower of Babel, explains the world today, and observational
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Speaker 5: science confirms it. over and over again so it depends
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Speaker 5: what they bring up and when it comes to the
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Speaker 5: millions of years uh you know from a christian perspective
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Speaker 5: the bible teaches death came after sin the fossil record
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Speaker 5: is record of death evidence of diseases like cancer how
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Speaker 5: could that exist before man when after god made man
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Speaker 5: he said everything is very good from a theological perspective
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Speaker 5: you can't have death and disease before sin but then
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Speaker 5: ask them well how'd they get the millions of years
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Speaker 5: i find This is astonishing to me. I find the
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Speaker 5: majority of people, when I ask that question to them,
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Speaker 5: will say carbon dating. Carbon dating has nothing to do
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Speaker 5: with millions of years.
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Speaker 4: Zero.
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Speaker 5: I mean, after 100,000 years, radioactive carbon-14 would not be detectable.
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Speaker 5: It's not a method you can use. And then when
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Speaker 5: you look at other methods, whether it's rubidium, strontium, potassium, argon,
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Speaker 5: uranium lead, whatever it is, they're all based on fallible assumptions.
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Speaker 5: And we've got to understand if those assumptions aren't true,
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Speaker 5: then there's a problem with the interpretation. And so then
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Speaker 5: I challenge them on that basis.
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Speaker 1: It's funny to track some of the most prominent atheists.
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Speaker 1: We're not going to get them to believe in the
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Speaker 1: divinity of Christ anytime soon, but a lot of them
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Speaker 1: have to admit that there is no scientific explanation for
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Speaker 1: the creation of the universe.
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Speaker 2: They're stumped.
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Speaker 5: Well, think about Richard Dawkins.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 5: Ardent atheist, professor emeritus now at Oxford University. When Ben
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Speaker 5: Stein interviewed him, and I've got the video of it,
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Speaker 5: and Richard Dawkins admitted, he said, we don't know how
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Speaker 5: life came about on Earth. Because, you know, I mean,
33:23
Speaker 5: to explain DNA, that molecule of heredity, that all replicating
33:27
Speaker 5: life was built on DNA, it's in a massive, complex
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Speaker 5: information system and language system that could never come about
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Speaker 5: by chance. Matter can't produce one bit of information. And
33:39
Speaker 5: so when he was asked about, you know, how life
33:42
Speaker 5: then come on Earth, then he resorted to aliens... seeding
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Speaker 5: life on Earth, which just shifts it to another planet.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, then who made the alien life?
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Speaker 5: Other aliens seeded that planet.
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Speaker 2: Right, exactly.
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Speaker 5: I think he'd have eternal aliens, not eternal God.
33:56
Speaker 2: Let's talk about some of your work.
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Speaker 1: So the Ark, explain the Ark to people who might
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Speaker 1: be unfamiliar and what's going on there now.
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Speaker 5: Well, the Ark is a life-size Noah's Ark based on
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Speaker 5: the dimensions in the Bible. So it's one and a
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Speaker 5: half times the length of a football field, half the
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Speaker 5: width of a football field. It's built 15 feet off
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Speaker 5: the ground. At the bow end stands 10 stories high,
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Speaker 5: and it's made of 3.3 million board feet of timber.
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Speaker 5: And so it's based on a real wooden ship but
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Speaker 5: built as a tourist facility. And inside we have three decks,
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Speaker 5: and we have 130 exhibits answering questions like how to
34:33
Speaker 5: not fit the animals on the ark. You know, he
34:35
Speaker 5: didn't need all the species of dogs, just the Bible
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Speaker 5: says kind. And the dog kind is at the family
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Speaker 5: level because all the different species... can interbreed and be
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Speaker 5: connected genetically, and they're all connected at the family level.
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Speaker 5: And so we answer the question, Noah didn't need anywhere
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Speaker 5: near the number of animals on the ark than people think.
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Speaker 5: And then we talk about fossils and the flood and
34:57
Speaker 5: how most of your fossil record shows evidence of catastrophism,
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Speaker 5: and that's from the flood of Noah's day. And then
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Speaker 5: we have all sorts of other exhibits answering questions about
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Speaker 5: ancient man and about the ice age, one ice age
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Speaker 5: generated by the flood.
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Speaker 3: So.
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Speaker 5: We answer all these questions that helps people understand, wow,
35:17
Speaker 5: these Christians can defend their faith. Wow, they've got answers
35:21
Speaker 5: to these questions. And it challenges them. I've talked to
35:24
Speaker 5: many non-Christians who have been there who said, we've never
35:27
Speaker 5: heard this information before. This is really refreshing that we
35:32
Speaker 5: can actually hear something different. We can hear these answers.
35:36
Speaker 5: And it challenges them.
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Speaker 2: I think that's very productive. So the Creation Museum. Where
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Speaker 2: is this?
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Speaker 5: When was it created?
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Speaker 2: Give people some of the history on it.
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Speaker 5: The Creation Museum and the Ark Encounter are both in
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Speaker 5: northern Kentucky, so across the river from Cincinnati. And the
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Speaker 5: Ark Encounter was opened in 2007. Sorry, the Creation Museum
35:55
Speaker 5: was opened in 2007. The Ark Encounter was opened in 2016.
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Speaker 5: So this year is its 10th anniversary. And the Creation Museum...
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Speaker 5: The burden for that really goes back to my school
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Speaker 5: teaching days in Australia. I was a public school teacher
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Speaker 5: taking students to museums, all from an atheistic perspective. And
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Speaker 5: I just had this burden. Why can't we have a
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Speaker 5: creation museum? There's a long story to it, but we
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Speaker 5: opened the creation museum in North Kentucky in 2007. It's
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Speaker 5: like a whole walk through the Bible. We have all
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Speaker 5: sorts of exhibits on the history of the Bible. We
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Speaker 5: have the most powerful pro-life exhibit in the world, fearfully
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Speaker 5: and wonderfully made. dinosaur exhibit we have an insectarium we
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Speaker 5: just opened exhibit on identity because young people are grappling
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Speaker 5: with this issue of identity and we want them to
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Speaker 5: understand that their identity is in Christ and there's only
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Speaker 5: two genders of human beings male and female science confirms
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Speaker 5: it and of course the Bible states it and we
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Speaker 5: have beautiful gardens we have a massive conservatory four big
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Speaker 5: glass greenhouses exhibiting the plants of the Bible and a
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Speaker 5: butterfly house and we have all sorts of other interesting
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Speaker 5: exhibits there as well so they're very unique they're world-class
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Speaker 5: they're the quality of disney i think better than disney
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Speaker 5: actually in quality and they attract people from all over
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Speaker 5: the world and people are amazed at how world-class they
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Speaker 5: are for christians to build something that's not cheesy it's
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Speaker 5: world-class and we're not ashamed of who we are not
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Speaker 5: ashamed of our faith but we're giving logical.
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Speaker 2: Answers wonderful so what's next what's.
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Speaker 5: Next well We have 800 acres where the Ark Encounter is,
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Speaker 5: and so we have a master plan that I think
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Speaker 5: my great-great-great-great-grandchildren can be working on. But in 2028, we're
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Speaker 5: going to be opening the most up-to-date archaeological model of
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Speaker 5: first-century Jerusalem in the world. And we're working with the
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Speaker 5: Israeli Antiquity Authority as well in regard to that. It's
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Speaker 5: 1-100th scale. It's going to be absolutely incredible.
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Speaker 4: Wow.
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Speaker 5: At the Creation Museum, we want to open a children's
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Speaker 5: interactive museum there as well. And so we've got all
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Speaker 5: sorts of plans for the future.
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Speaker 2: Wonderful.
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Speaker 1: Well, you just handed me a book, Defending God's Existence.
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Speaker 1: People who are watching on video will see me holding
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Speaker 1: this the whole conversation.
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Speaker 2: What's in here?
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Speaker 5: That book is to teach people how to argue foundationally
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Speaker 5: in regard to a biblical worldview and regard to the
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Speaker 5: Christian faith. Too many people argue just at the worldview level.
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Speaker 5: And when you argue at the worldview level, there's an
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Speaker 5: emotional clash.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 5: And you're accused of hate speech and intolerance and you're
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Speaker 5: misogynist and all the rest of it. We want people,
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Speaker 5: and in that book, I want people to understand the
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Speaker 5: real battle is at a foundational level. Because a secular
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Speaker 5: worldview comes out of a foundation that man determines truth.
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Speaker 5: A Christian worldview comes out of the foundation that God
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Speaker 5: is truth and his word is truth. And until someone
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Speaker 5: changes their foundation, they're not going to change their worldview.
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Speaker 5: And so if we just argue at the worldview level,
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Speaker 5: in the long run, we're not going to get anywhere.
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Speaker 5: In other words, even legislation doesn't change people's hearts. People
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Speaker 5: have to have a change in their heart to have
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Speaker 5: a different worldview, a change in their heart in regard
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Speaker 5: to God's Word and the Gospel. And so what I
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Speaker 5: do in this is teach people how to look for
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Speaker 5: logical fallacies, how to look for inconsistencies, how to argue
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Speaker 5: foundationally Because if you learn to do that, you'll find
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Speaker 5: that the secularists don't know how to deal with that.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 5: And so that's the most powerful way of arguing.
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Speaker 1: We have to try to argue with them. because they
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Speaker 1: have such horrible arguments. We've got to take on that burden.
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Speaker 1: Ken Ham, really nice to meet you. Congrats on all
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Speaker 1: the success. Congrats on 10 years of the Ark encounter,
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Speaker 1: which it feels like it's been a big part of
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Speaker 1: the culture ever since. So congrats on that, and I'll
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Speaker 1: be keeping an eye on what's next.
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Speaker 5: Okay, thank you.
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Speaker 3: Great to be with you.
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Speaker 5: Thank you.