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Trump and Elon are not going to save you · UK Column Radio

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Derek is is covered over. That's a good question.
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I guess that depends on how you define COVID.
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You know, I tend to use the term COVID-19 84 and you know, that
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is sort of like a catch all term related to not just the alleged,
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you know, pandemic, but all of the the bigger implications that
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came afterwards. The growth of the surveillance
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state, the growth of police state, advancing of agendas like
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digital IDs and all the general stuff, facial recognition, all
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the things that we saw expanding over the last five years.
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I don't think that's over for sure.
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Whether or not the claims of a, another pandemic, which every
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now and then, of course, we see that in the headline, something
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popping up and I think there's somebody trying to test the
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waters to see it. Will they still buy it?
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Will they, you know, and most people just kind of shrug their
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shoulders these days and like what they're claiming there's a
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new variant or something going around.
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But as far as the the the bigger implications and the advancing
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of the technocratic agenda, that has definitely not gone away.
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The the term COVID is a catch all phrase isn't it?
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Yeah, absolutely. I definitely think that there
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are there were advantages of the pre COVID world in some ways.
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You know, the the the steps before everything I just
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mentioned the advancement of the technocratic surveillance state
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and facial recognition and digital ID IDs and everything
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that we're still seeing play out.
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And at the same time, I kind of feel like COVID was also a gift
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in some ways as far as that, you know, as crazy as that might
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sound. Because in my view, a lot of
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people woke up because of this whole operation, right?
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There are people who 2019-2020 were basically just normies,
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just regular people going about their lives.
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And then, you know, the whole panic happened and then the
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authoritarianism happened. And that caused them, something
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about those events caused them to start questioning things and
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find podcasts like yours or mine and others and begin their
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journey. So in that way, I feel like, OK,
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the world is better now post COVID-19 84.
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And at the same time, you know, what I've noticed is that as
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things kind of started to calm down or go back to normal, a lot
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of people who were concerned about things sort of also went
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back to their normal lives. And just briefly, I'll explain
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what I mean there is that, you know, I saw a huge influx of
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people not only through my audience, but some of the
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networks that I'm a part of. I mentioned I host this, the
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people's reset every year in Mexico.
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And that was very much a response to the Great Reset and
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the Davos crowd hosting their event every January.
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So we said, we'll look, why don't we get together every
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January for five days and talk about solutions, you know, from
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a bottom up perspective instead of this kind of technocratic top
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down perspective. And I think movements like that,
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that and others that were heavily solutions focused saw a
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big spike of interest in people during the COVID years.
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And we're still doing our thing. We have another event coming up
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in January. But I definitely have noticed a
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low like where it just was this big spike of people, so much
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energy. And it's because people felt
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threatened and they were in panic mode.
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So they're like, what am I going to do?
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How am I going to take care of myself?
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Maybe I need to, you know, get off big tech or grow my own food
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or I need to get my kids out of school or whatever it was, you
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know, whatever their solutions were.
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And then as time went on and life seemed to go back to
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normal, a lot of those people were like, OK, well, I don't
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need to worry about that anymore.
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Things are, you know, everything's OK now.
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So in that way, I kind of, you know, I think it was a double
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edged sword. We had some new people waking up
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and questioning the world around them.
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But unfortunately, because things seem to have kind of
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calmed down, a lot of those people have maybe gone back to
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sleep. Yes, I've noticed that too.
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It's almost as though lockdowns didn't happen.
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Yeah, people have short term memories, it seems like.
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And I, I, I really, I've battled this myself personally because
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it, I wish that as a species that we weren't that way, where
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it didn't take for us to feel threatened, you know, directly,
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because that's typically how most of us act.
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And I think it's maybe it's a benefit, but also a flaw to
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human thinking. Like, you know, you can see that
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there's bad things going on in the world, but until it directly
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impacts you and your family or your daily routine and, you
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know, the things that you hold and dear to yourself, most of us
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will kind of say, well, that's crazy.
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But, you know, I got to take care of my own.
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And that's a positive thing in the sense of us taking care of
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our families and, and just trying to create our own
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beautiful lives. But also, when we turn our backs
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or we try to ignore the bigger pictures of the things going on
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in the world and throughout history, I think we both know
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and probably everybody in this audience knows that those things
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can come back to, you know, they end up knocking on your front
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doorstep eventually. But it doesn't make sense to me,
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Derek, how it is possible that let's say you and I are part of
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this very small group of people that saw through everything.
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Yeah, I've spent a lot of time on that one as well, even before
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COVID. I would ask myself this over the
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years of like, because, you know, I was, I was an average
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kid growing up. I was drinking sodas and
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drinking fluoride water and watching a lot of TV and I'm
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sure I was consuming propaganda through the TV shows that I was
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watching and didn't even realise it.
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But you know, eventually I found my way.
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And you know, kind of for me, it was like a major life shift.
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Like I, I went to prison at 20 years old, 20 years ago actually
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this year. And that kind of caused me to
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shift and change everything that I was doing.
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And then through that, that eventually led me to questioning
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government and learning about conspiracies and these sorts of
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things. And I've heard from other people
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too, where they have like something direct or personally
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impact them, like maybe they, they or a loved one get sick
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with cancer or something and then that causes them to go down
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the rabbit hole of learning the truth about cancer and in health
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in general. Or a lot of people, it was the
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2008 financial crisis. And hold on a second, sorry
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about it. A lot of people, it was the 2008
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financial crisis or something similar, like in a big way that
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directly impacted them. So then their entire lives
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change. I think that is an important
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element. And then there might also be
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some other psychological, I mean, there definitely are some
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other psychological elements because you could put 1, you
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know, you could put somebody like us in a situation like that
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and maybe it causes us to dig deeper and question the world
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around us. And you can put a, another
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person in the exact same situations and they may never
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choose to ask questions. You know, I've, I've wondered if
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it's just like, is there something genetically?
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Is there something that, you know, some of us are just born
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predisposed to wake up and to question things.
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I tend to believe or I want to believe, I hope that all of
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humanity is capable of this, you know, and that's why I still do
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strive. Like I said, even though I
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mainly focus on journalism these days, I still do see myself as
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an activist. And I still feel like part of my
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activism is a conscious and direct effort to, you know,
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quote unquote, wake people up, you know, and, and as silly as
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that might sound, I think some people maybe don't even bother
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doing that anymore in the the age we're in.
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I still think it's important. I still feel like there's not
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enough people. You know, we need to still pull
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people out of the matrix and then say, hey, now here's the
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better thing we're trying to build, you know, now that you're
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questioning the world, here's what comes next.
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And I want to believe that all of humanity is capable of that.
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But sometimes I look around and I see signs that maybe that's
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not true. When did you have your first
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Damascus moment? Your first red pull, so to
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speak. Yeah, I mean, so in 2003, when
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the US started bombing Iraq, I was 18 years old, I was just
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graduating high school. And for the first, like, I
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remember watching it on TVI mean, they showed it all over
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the US and I remember watching it on TV and for the first
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couple of days or weeks or so, as just a young 18 year old kid
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who didn't really know anything, I was definitely watching on
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that. Wow, we're getting a bad guy.
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You know, they're bombing this this bad dude and kind of buying
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into some of the the propaganda that was very rampant in the
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post 911 world. And I'd always been like, I grew
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up in the punk scene and as a, you know, as a metalhead.
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So I was generally like, yeah, fuck the government, you know,
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kind of anti authority, but not with any sort of deep
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understanding, just kind of like a rebel without a cause type
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thing. So then with some time,
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especially as the anti war marches started, I've definitely
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very much kind of, that was I think one of the first light
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bulbs where I was like, all right, something's not right.
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So at 18, I'm in a lot of bands and we were like singing anti
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Bush songs. And you know, I used to have
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this like giant full size cardboard cut out of George
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Bush. And we'd bring it on stage and
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like RIP his head off and throw it to the crowd, stuff like
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that, right. But then at the same time, the
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next year I went and voted for John Kerry.
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I voted for the Democrats. That was the only time I've ever
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voted in my life as a young 18 year old kid who didn't really
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know much of anything. So I feel like that was the
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beginning, but it was still like within the left, right paradigm,
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right? I'm starting to question things,
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but I'm still kind of going back and forth.
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And then it wasn't till a few years later, as I said, when I
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got locked up, when I got locked up.
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And then I ended up doing 18 months in Texas State prisons
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when I got out in late 2008. That was right as Obama was
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getting elected. I wasn't, you know, very
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politically aware at all or anything like that.
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But within the next year, I started to really pay more
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attention. And I will say people who I
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don't trust anymore, like Alex Jones, definitely played a role
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in my early years. I watched End Game.
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I read Jim Marrs, A researcher. He's now deceased.
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His book Rule by Secrecy. I was listening to another metal
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band that was like literally singing about the Federal
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Reserve. And then I did read former
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Congressman Ron Paul's book in the US and then heard him speak.
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And it was all those things happened within like a week span
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of time, like watching the end game, reading this book, hearing
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Ron Paul speak. And like I said, I don't really
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trust Jones these these days. And you know, I'm not really one
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for politics, but all of those things came together at that
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time where my young mind, getting fresh out of prison and
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also having the experience of being a felon, like the
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combination of those things, I think just put me in a state of
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mind where I was very ready and willing to question the world
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around me. And then from that, I mean, it
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was pretty much that was it. Like once, once those things
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happened, I tumbled down that rabbit hole.
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And it's been going on 16 years now since then.
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I also come from a from a punk rock background.
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I don't know if you can read that.
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I see that. Nice, I'm with it.
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That's a great thing. The punk rock scene was was
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really, really good in so many ways.
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But I, I noticed that they all kind of followed.
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They all kind of followed the establishment during the COVID
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era. Did you notice?
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Oh yeah, yeah, man, that, you know, actually I have this like
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short essay I've been working on my mind about this because I
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have a particular bone to pick with the punk community having
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sort of been, you know, raised almost within that community.
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And and there's a lot of there is a lot of true community and
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camaraderie. I'm sure you you've experienced
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that as well, where if you do feel like, OK, we're a part of
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something bigger. And then over time, especially
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as I started to wake up, even before COVID, but especially
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during COVID, I started to realise that when I was
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thinking, I wanted to get out of the norm and kind of I've always
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been against conformity. And just like, you know, I want
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to be myself, think for myself. And that's what it appears like
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a lot of punk is. And so, you know, dress a
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certain way, you know, who cares what society thinks this sort of
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thing. But then even that, over years,
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I started to realise that, OK, there's a certain costume even
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within this scene of people like, if I'm not dressed exactly
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like that punk look, then some people don't think I'm a punk.
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Or if I'm not listening to these particular bands, then I'm not
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the right kind of punk or, you know, just this sort of same
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cliquishness you see everywhere, unfortunately.
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And yeah, over the years as I got further into my activism and
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I've watched a lot of my old punk friends, I'm like, OK, so
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they don't really care too much. They just want to get drunk and,
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you know, drink 40s and go to the shows and party and do that.
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And that is rebelling to them. You know, that's like being
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against the system. But if I was to talk to them
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about any legitimate issue, the vast majority of them wouldn't
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really have an informed opinion. And if they did have an informed
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opinion, as you said, it would probably be a very much an
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establishment opinion, even if they thought it was anti
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establishment. And I definitely saw that during
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COVID. I will say that the only, not
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the only one, but one of the major punk bands that I saw and
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that actually I'm connected with is Total Chaos.
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Rob Chaos, the lead singer, that band, they've been around since
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the 90s. I actually interviewed him in
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the middle of COVID and he talked about how how much they
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were sort of like, you know, blackballed for still wanting to
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play shows and for not talk. You're not taking the COVID
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shots and for speaking out against some of the lockdowns.
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You know, he just said how there is definitely a lot of bands,
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bands that we probably grew up listening to, even the ones that
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didn't speak out vocally, but who behind closed doors were
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shaming other punk bands who were not buying into the
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narrative and, like, not wearing masks or not pushing, you know,
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their crowd to get the injections and stuff like that.
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And yeah, of course, that was just like, wow, you guys really
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didn't get your own message, did you?
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Dude, the offspring, what a disappointment.
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Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. So many others, right?
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But it wasn't just the music industry.
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I mean, it was just everybody. The whole thing just imploded.
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And it goes to show how powerful the propaganda messaging was.
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Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and that's, I think
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it's, I try to be empathetic. I think for people who did fall
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for COVID, I mean, at this point, I feel like you're either
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just not wanting to know and not willing to look.
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But in the height of everything with the panic and the 24/7 news
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cycle and all the stuff going on, I try to be empathetic with
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people that to understand that we are facing, in a lot of ways,
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one of the biggest propaganda machines that history has ever
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seen. You know, and that can be
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difficult to overcome. And we all, of course,
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understand things like cognitive dissonance, where our own brains
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sometimes will fight or resist, you know, new information and,
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and conclusions that might feel just too grand.
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Because if I accept that conclusion, if I accept that the
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government is lying to me about this alleged pandemic, then that
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means I have to also start questioning other pieces of my
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paradigm. And, and for some people, they'd
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rather not do that. But yeah, I try to remember that
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is, you know, as much as it can be frustrating and I like I said
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earlier, I still do have this desire to want to reach people
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and help them on their journey. Ultimately, everybody's got to
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walk their own path. Everybody's got to make their
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own choices. And all we can really do is
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plant seeds and then of course, produce content like this to try
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to give people avenues to start questioning the world around
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them. And the rest is up to them.
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I mean, and, and back to what we were talking about earlier, I
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don't know, maybe some people aren't, you know, in some
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grander scheme of things that we don't quite understand.
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Maybe some people aren't meant to wake up and some are.
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Doesn't mean we are better than anybody or anything like that.
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Maybe that's just not their path.
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But I still I still strive to reach as many people as possible
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in the hopes that they might wake up.
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You dropped into your conversation earlier about the
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the fake binaries, the false dichotomy of left, right,
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liberal, conservative, etcetera. And people are very much still
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stuck in that. Trump has done an incredible job
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at pulling people back into the system. 100% I do believe that
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this is the role that Trump was brought into play since the very
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beginning from 2015. I think I wrote an article in
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2016 called The establishment's Plan to Divide Donald Trump,
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Fake news in Russia and sort of just calling some of these
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things. Because to me it was kind of
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obvious that this guy was was kind of brought in to be a
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wrecking house, right? Like a wrecking crew.
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Everybody, people who were sick of Obama and sick of the Bush
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years and all that. Well, this guy doesn't care.
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He's calling out the media. He's saying something here and
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there about 911 or he mentioned the Federal Reserve.
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It's like he threw just enough like pieces of the puzzle out
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there to entice certain people. He mentioned 911, you know, and
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so he got like the 9/11 truth. There's maybe he's going to, you
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know, reveal the truth at the Federal Reserve crowd.
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Maybe he's going to talk about that and end the Fed.
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And he mentioned JFK, Epstein, he mentioned Epstein, all these
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different pieces of the puzzle. So just, and, and when you
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really look at what he says, he never really said anything
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substantial, but just enough to kind of string people along and
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keep them. Maybe he's going to do it.
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Maybe he's going to do it. But I always felt like his role
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was to be, I mean, this is kind of how these people operate to
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like symbolically, like, I don't think his last name is, is a
16:40
mistake. I think that he is their trump
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card. He is like the final card that
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they're playing to divide, not only to divide the masses like
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the the average person, which he is really great at stocking
16:51
those fires and stocking those flames and, and, and creating
16:54
separation. But then even within the broader
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freedom truth, conspiracy realism community, I mean, you
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know as well as I do that there's a lot of people who now
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look back on the last 10 years that Trump has been around.
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And in their eyes, he is the saviour who came here and has
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been trying to fight the deep state.
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But they just keep stifling him at every turn.
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And, you know, he's just almost there.
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And if we could just all get behind him, we could, you know,
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finally defeat the New world order.
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That is the version of events that some people believe in.
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And that really does disturb me and scare me to think like just
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how the psychological operations have gotten so, so good that we
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are now living in different fracture.
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I tend to call this the fracturing where humanity not
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only like those of us who are awake and those who are asleep,
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that's one element. But then even within the sort of
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community that we broader community we're in, like the
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fracturing is this idea that the psychological operations, the
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5th generation warfare is getting so big that we are
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existing and essentially parallel realities.
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Sure, we're in the same physical meat space.
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But these people, like I said, some of them look back and they
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have a whole Q Anon interpretation of the last 10
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years and they think Trump is the greatest thing ever.
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And just how that split the conspiracy community.
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I mean, this isn't going to be a temporary thing.
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Like I think in 10/15/20 years, we're going to look back and
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there are going to be people like us who are like, Oh my God,
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they fooled people with Trump and this and that.
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And there's going to be others who however it turns out,
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they're going to see that Trump was like the great hero that
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tried to defeat the deep state. And so it's that to me is really
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disturbing just to see how we can, our realities can become
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fractured like that. And, and to your point about the
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digital IDs and, and things of that sort, yeah.
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I mean, even right now as we're recording this in the US,
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they're discussing this, this giant bill.
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And I won't call it by Trump's name because I just hate the
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moronic names he gives to everything.
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But it's this giant bill that they're trying to stuff as many
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things and. And he's promising it's going to
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be the greatest thing ever, Right.
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But if you look further into it, I'm actually working.
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Yeah, Stargate, obviously, we had Stargate was the first
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announcement. I'm working on an article about
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this giant bill right now to show all the different.
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I'm calling it the Big Brother bill.
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He has another name for it. But it to me, it's more
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accurately the Big Brother bill because a big chunk of it does
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absolutely increase facial recognition.
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They want to install towers along the border.
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And I've been warning people that the fight against illegal
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immigration was going to be used to bring in, you know, the, the
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post COVID-19 84 totalitarian digital ID facial recognition
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state. And of course, that doesn't mean
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that there aren't real concerns about immigration or anything
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like that. But this is what I think some
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people can't grasp is that what I often call the predator class,
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the, the folks at the top of the pyramid of power, that they,
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they operate like they'll give us 2 bad decisions and then try
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to force us to make, make one of them.
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And either way, they win. So in one hand, you have people
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who are like, we need to just have open borders or just, you
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know, we need to not, not try to stop anybody from coming into
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any countries, whether that's Europe or the United States.
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I think we've all seen that weaponized immigration is real
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and it can end up being a bad thing.
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I generally, you know, I'm, I learn more towards like getting
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the government out of the way, but I can also see how that's
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been weaponized, right? So doing nothing or continuing
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with the Biden policies in the US isn't an answer.
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And then at the same time, giving Trump and his
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administration the ability to just full on grab people off the
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streets without really much due processed masked agents who
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aren't even identifying themselves, installing facial
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recognition cameras everywhere, putting towers along the border,
20:21
doing what Trump has called for. And what this bill includes, A
20:24
biometric entry and exit system for everybody, not just for
20:27
immigrants. That's what a lot of people
20:28
don't understand. You know, they're fighting for
20:30
this because they think it's going to solve the immigration
20:32
issue, but they don't see how it's actually going to work
20:35
against them. And and of course, you know,
20:36
when you put it in the context of things like Stargate, and as
20:39
I've written quite extensively, the numerous Peter Thiel
20:43
acolytes and Palantir acolytes that are also in Trump's second
20:46
administration, it's clear to me.
20:48
And I think it should be clear as day to anybody who's actually
20:50
wanting to look and doesn't have, you know, an authority
20:53
bias or a trust of authority that this is going, you know,
20:57
that this is a prop classic problem reaction solution.
21:00
You know, so like, again, if we do nothing and we just allow the
21:03
borders to be wide open, there's going to be problems with that.
21:06
But if you accept the solution that they're proposing, there's
21:09
going to be problems with that. And that's kind of, I think what
21:11
we often end up faced in. But since people can't see that
21:15
they're like, well, they feel like they need to choose one or
21:17
the other. And it's not like we're really
21:19
being given a choice. It's it's going to happen, I
21:21
think, one way or the other. But to make it even matters even
21:25
worse, they've got the Trump crowd cheering it, Not just kind
21:28
of accepting, like, OK, we're going this direction, but
21:30
cheering it and believing that it's actually a solution.
21:34
And, and people who used to talk about this, including Alex
21:38
Jones, who, as I said, played a role in waking me up, now are
21:41
completely silent about the role that the Bilderbergers are
21:43
playing. And Trump's second
21:44
administration are now trying to downplay the role of Peter Thiel
21:48
and Palantir and things like this and just act like it's not
21:51
a big deal. People are just freaking out.
21:53
You know, there's nothing to see here.
21:55
It's pretty crazy, man. It's a pretty weird space to
21:57
find ourselves in. But it's honestly not that
21:59
surprising because I've always felt like things were going to
22:02
get worse before they got better.
22:04
Things were going to progress. And that people who we, and I'm
22:07
sure it's going to happen even more than just where we are
22:09
sitting today. That people who we believed had
22:11
principles and actually, you know, believed in individual
22:15
liberty or the US Constitution in the case of the US are
22:18
willing to just toss that out if it means following their for
22:21
their favourite personality. And it's really unfortunate.
22:26
But Derek, please come on. Trust the plan.
22:28
It's 5. Beaches I know, I know I'm just
22:31
not keeping up enough with all the queue drops and all the the
22:34
deltas out there and the confirmation.
22:36
I'm trying to keep up my best but I just I have a little bit
22:39
of a problem with trusting the plan and maybe I just need some
22:42
re education. I love what you were saying
22:48
earlier about solutions. You're very solution driven.
22:52
Now this is something that I have found.
22:55
The average person is not actually interested in
22:58
solutions. They are fascinated by doom
23:01
scrolling. That's all they want.
23:02
They just want to share on what's happened and telegram how
23:05
bad everything is. I I man, this is an issue I've
23:11
seen since the beginning of my work and it sounds like you've
23:14
come across it too. I would do videos years ago and
23:17
I still do from time to time. But so I'd have like, you know,
23:20
my Jeffrey Epstein documentary, just as an example, I put that
23:23
out in 2018. I started investigating Epstein
23:25
in 2016. I went to his house in 2017.
23:28
A lot of those videos, you know, 500,000 plus views, you know,
23:31
almost 1,000,000 views on one of them here and there, right?
23:34
And then I do a video about like, here's how to grow your
23:36
own food. You can produce, you know, 500
23:39
lbs of food in an acre or whatever, you know, something
23:41
like that. And crickets, you know, I get
23:44
like 110th or less of the views on a video like that.
23:47
And that still, that still happens today, even as my
23:49
audience has grown. And I think as more and more my
23:52
my audience are people who find my work are understanding that I
23:55
try to focus on solutions. I, I still do notice that if I
23:59
my weekly news reports about the crazy shit going on in the world
24:02
is going to get more eyes and attention on it than my video of
24:05
like, here's the steps to take to free yourself from the system
24:09
because, well, that takes effort, that takes time.
24:12
That might actually take, you know, changing your habits or
24:15
changing your lifestyle or, you know, changing your bank.
24:17
If you want to stop supporting the bank banking system,
24:19
Different things that I promote are not go vote, turn out, you
24:24
know, trust a politician. And they're definitely not just
24:27
give up and be black pilled and negative.
24:29
Despite the fact that people like myself, and I'm sure you as
24:31
well have been called such things for not supporting
24:34
politicians, especially during the 2024 election.
24:37
But it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's really unfortunate, man.
24:40
I see the same thing that and I, I unfortunately, I agree with
24:43
you that I think most people are addicted to doom scrolling and
24:47
would probably rather just obsess over how bad the world is
24:50
then do something about it. And, you know, maybe that's that
24:54
we're battling human nature on that front.
24:56
I do think some of it is the programming and the sort of
24:58
learned helplessness that a lot of us have bought into or people
25:02
just they don't think they can do anything for themselves.
25:05
And also the systems that were born into, I think like you're,
25:10
if you're born into a system that is telling you just, you
25:12
know, get the biggest house, get the newest cars, get the latest
25:15
phone, you know, download the newest apps and just kind of
25:19
chasing that. So called, you know, American
25:22
dream, at least as they call it in the US, which a lot of
25:24
countries have tried to model themselves after.
25:26
Unfortunately, when you're kind of in that space, it doesn't
25:30
feel like there's time to, to do anything else, like, right.
25:34
Even so I use often, I use my family as as an example, my
25:37
sister and her husband, for example, they're very working
25:40
class people. My family's not wealthy by any
25:42
means, but they've got a nice little house for them and their
25:44
three kids. And they're, you know, my, my
25:47
sister's a stay at home mom. Her husband is working five days
25:50
a week. And then the weekend comes and
25:52
they just want to hang out with the kids or hang out with some
25:55
friends and drink a couple beers.
25:56
And they're good people. They know about my work.
25:59
My sister's husband, every time I see him, I just saw him last
26:02
week, he asked me questions like, hey, what do you think
26:03
about this thing? What do you think about this?
26:05
You know, he's asking me about Iran last time I saw him and
26:08
he's what I would consider fairly awake.
26:10
He knows what's going on. He follows my work.
26:12
He sees what's happening, but he's not doing a single thing
26:14
about it. He's not doing anything about
26:16
it. He's just watching it get worse.
26:18
He's just going through the motions.
26:19
And like I said earlier, just trying to take care of home
26:22
base. I just got to feed the kids.
26:23
I got to take care of my wife. I got to do that.
26:25
And if I can do that, then maybe I can get to the weekend and
26:28
have a few beers and just relax a little bit, right?
26:30
And it's like you're stuck in that rat race of just trying to
26:32
keep up. And so the idea of him of going
26:36
to protest or talk to somebody, you know, even doing that, let
26:40
alone changing his life to try to grow food or, you know,
26:43
getting off big tech and different things that I, I
26:46
promote with my exit and build strategy, That's just like,
26:49
that's not even in his in his wheelhouse.
26:51
That's not even his mind. That's like the last thing he's
26:53
thinking about, right? And I feel like there's a lot of
26:55
people who are like that. They generally understand
26:57
there's something wrong in the world.
26:59
They might not be fully aware to the to the levels that you and I
27:02
are and people in this audience, but they know things aren't
27:04
right, but they're also not doing anything about it.
27:07
And so they're kind of like this.
27:08
I think that's like the real silent majority, the people out
27:10
there who know things are wrong but do nothing about it.
27:13
And unfortunately that's not enough.
27:15
It's not enough. And I've been saying this for a
27:17
few years. It's not it's not enough to be
27:18
awake anymore, if it ever was or conscious or aware.
27:21
Whatever words you want to use. I tend to go with the term
27:24
activated because activated kind of distinguishes from just being
27:28
awake because you can be awake and you can be passive.
27:30
You can be awake and be doom scrolling, right?
27:32
You can be awake and walk right into the FEMA camp because you
27:34
never did anything about it, because you never prepared,
27:36
because you never took any alternative steps or tried to
27:39
resist the machine. You just watched it on your
27:41
phone as the world got worse and worse.
27:43
And surprise, surprise, here it is, right.
27:45
So I do think there's a difference between being awake,
27:48
aware and then activated. Like actively trying to work on
27:52
solutions and I've got my ideas, but whatever solutions appeal to
27:55
people. Personally, I don't think
27:56
politics is the way, but if you feel inclined to politics, then
28:00
go super local, you know, run for your school board or town
28:02
council or something like that. Try to impact your local area.
28:05
But whatever you're doing, do something.
28:07
Because I think the vast majority are doing nothing, even
28:10
if they see themselves as awake and aware.
28:12
And they, they might even be the kind of people that ha ha, look
28:14
at those stupid sheeple out there.
28:16
They're so asleep and I'm so awake.
28:17
But at the end of the day, doing anything with that knowledge,
28:20
because if not, you might as well be one of the sheep then,
28:22
because what difference does it make?
28:24
Both of you are going to end up the same place if you don't take
28:27
any concrete steps to make sure that you can be free in the face
28:30
of this coming technocratic state.
28:34
You mentioned FEMA camps. And that's a another one.
28:36
But Trump, Trump brought in to stop, to stop the FEMA camps.
28:43
You've heard that one, too. I've I've met a few of the
28:48
people. Pushing that isn't there like a
28:50
documentary that really tried to push that like the what is that
28:53
there's I don't remember the guy's name and I'm not trying to
28:55
badmouth anybody, but somebody sent it to me and it's like AI
28:59
only want to call it a documentary because I think it
29:01
it discredits that word. It was just a strong together, a
29:05
bunch of clips and one of them had to do with this guy who I
29:08
see on Twitter every now and then who made a painting and it
29:10
had Q in it. And he's like, look, Trump
29:12
shared this Q painting, so that's a proof of something.
29:14
And warp speed was to prevent us from going to FEMA camp so we
29:19
can all celebrate. Yeah, man, I mean, I don't even
29:20
know what world these people are living in.
29:22
And it's unfortunate. I will say that I've had some
29:25
success since 2016 when I first started taking time to debunk a
29:29
lot of the cue claims and and just all the weird stuff going
29:33
on because I do think it is a psychological operation.
29:35
I do think people in Trump's team know about it, but they're
29:37
playing people. They they're not actually doing
29:40
the things they're they're claiming, but they're playing
29:42
his his base. But I've had some success,
29:47
thankfully, and I've gotten some emails and some comments from
29:49
people who saying, Hey, you helped me kind of snap out of
29:51
the queue thing. I was going down that rabbit
29:53
hole and now I see I was being played and I can't believe I
29:56
fell for it. So sometimes I can be pretty
29:59
harsh to that crowd because I think sometimes a tough love is,
30:02
is the way, you know, especially when you're that deep down the
30:05
rabbit hole. Because as I'm sure you've seen
30:07
the same responses I've seen, no matter what bit of evidence you
30:10
actually try to provide to somebody like that, there's
30:13
just, you know, they have like it.
30:15
It's like the psychological operation built in all the the
30:19
cognitive dissonance for them. So, you know, they save Israel
30:23
for last. Trust the plan, you know, get
30:26
your popcorn. All these kind of things, right?
30:28
Like they just then they just think that you're the ones who
30:31
don't know what's going on. You're just not informed enough
30:33
to know what's happening. But it really is a sad state of
30:36
affairs, man. And I think that's, it's a
30:38
testament to the power of, of whatever you want to call it,
30:41
the new world order, the to this psychological operation, to this
30:44
long term generational planning that we know has been going on.
30:47
And now it's at the point where the Internet, social media is
30:50
part of the battlefield. Our minds are part of the
30:52
battlefield. And they sure do know a lot
30:55
about us. They have definitely created
30:56
profiles, psychological profiles.
30:58
I've actually been looking back at the Cambridge Analytical
31:01
links and just remembering, I encourage people to go back and
31:04
look at what that was. Because when you really
31:06
understand that this company which just scraped all this
31:09
Facebook data and then was selling it to and probably still
31:12
is selling it to or other companies doing the same thing,
31:15
selling it to politicians and saying, hey, I can give you all
31:19
the data you need on how to speak to the voters.
31:21
And on one hand it's like, cool, that's great for marketing,
31:23
right? But when you really understand
31:25
it, that it's a psychological profile, they even called it
31:28
psychographics where, you know, they had this ability to tailor
31:31
their messaging to exactly what people want to want to hear.
31:35
And I believe that working with Cambridge Analytica and other
31:38
companies and of course the intelligence networks that they
31:40
are able to create the exact stimuli and get the exact
31:45
response that they want. They know if we say this, that
31:49
is going to trigger this segment of the population and it's going
31:52
to excite this segment of the population.
31:54
And if you say these particular phrases, that's going to get
31:57
these people listening and trusting and it might work on
32:00
30% of the population. And that's all we need.
32:02
You know, we don't need the rest of them.
32:03
We'll just drown out the rest of them with with our movement,
32:06
right? I think it's down to that level
32:08
at this point. And the Q non operation is a big
32:11
part of that is trying to just suck people in and get them to
32:16
support literally their own enslavement all the way to the
32:19
point they are walking in the FEMA camps that they think Trump
32:22
stopped. Or as.
32:25
Larkin, Rosen, Andrew Treglia said.
32:28
The Jones Plantation, Yeah. It's a great film.
32:32
Speaking of. Technocracy, Elon Musk is, is a
32:36
wonderful example of this. I mean, he is a technocrat and
32:39
he's very likeable and he's a bit of a buffoon at times.
32:43
I mean, he he clowns around. I don't know what he actually
32:46
does during the day. And as Catherine Fitz says, he's
32:48
actually just an operation. Yeah.
32:50
And I. I, I think that what you pointed
32:53
to like his sort of buffoonery, his likeability to a certain
32:57
crowd of people, he's just one of us playing video games,
33:00
posting memes, all of that. Again, I think is, is a, is a
33:03
profile that was created for him.
33:05
Maybe certain elements are truly who he is, but they're
33:08
definitely capitalised upon in order to appeal to a certain
33:12
crowd of people, the crowd of people who like memes, the crowd
33:15
of people who, you know, like trolling, the crowd of people
33:18
who are, you know, this kind of become a thing where people sort
33:23
of brag about or like to claim that they're autistic, you know,
33:26
this sort of thing. And and you know, we're just the
33:29
autist online, like even with the Q Anon crowd and stuff.
33:31
And I definitely think that Elon, whatever role he's
33:34
playing, is to get that crowd of people to pay attention to.
33:37
Like, he tweets all day. He plays video games, he shares
33:40
funny memes. He makes fun of Bill Gates.
33:42
He's one of us. He's one of the crew, right?
33:44
He totally gets it. And he's just a tech nerd, like
33:48
all of us. He uses the Internet.
33:50
And that's something that we hadn't seen prior to the last
33:52
few years. You know, most of us tend to
33:54
think, you know, this is changing maybe a little more
33:56
recently, but most of us tend to think as politicians as being
33:59
kind of old and out of touch. And so the last place you would
34:01
expect to see them is on social media posting memes and, you
34:05
know, joking with other people. And although Elon has kind of
34:08
straddled that line of being a politician, I think he clearly
34:11
is now with the doge and going to the White House and
34:13
everything. He is an influential person
34:17
either way. And yeah, I mean, I've struggled
34:20
with this one as well. Like, I think I wrote an essay
34:22
in 2017 asking why are American libertarians falling for Elon
34:25
Musk? Because at that time, it was
34:27
still early on. It wasn't.
34:28
No, it wasn't anywhere near where we are now, but there was
34:31
a lot of people who were starting to have this cult like
34:35
mentality around him, especially because, you know, I'm
34:37
originally from Texas. So I'm here in Houston right now
34:39
and a few hours away is where his Gigafactory was built a
34:42
couple years ago. And I remember when that thing
34:44
opened up, I mean, it was just hundreds of thousands of people
34:47
were trying to get to the opening.
34:48
And all these younger mid 20s dudes, mostly dudes.
34:53
There's women too as well, but mostly young men in their 20s,
34:56
early 30s who are tech savvy and they're just looking at this guy
35:00
like a hero. And I also think that the
35:02
operation has been kind of seed in our minds for a while, going
35:06
back to the Iron Man movie in 2008 when they had him kind of
35:09
make a guest appearance and Tony Stark even being modelled after
35:13
this, you know, billionaire Playboy, cool hip dude with all
35:17
his gadgets and everything and Elon kind of trying to bring
35:20
that that archetype to life. So I do think that this has been
35:24
seated in the minds of a certain crowd of people for over a
35:28
decade now to see him as this kind of a hero and he's the
35:32
radical guy. Why?
35:33
You know, and sort of it plays right into Trump's Make America
35:36
Great again, because for some people, they're like, well, you
35:39
know, America used to be this beautiful thing.
35:41
We were trying to go to space. We were building rockets.
35:44
We were doing all kinds of revolutionary things.
35:46
And now we've kind of given that up.
35:47
But Trump and Elon, they're bringing that back.
35:49
He's bringing back American greatness and pride and all this
35:53
sort of stuff, even though he's not even from the US.
35:55
He's, you know, got these all these South Africa ties and
35:58
stuff going on in Canada, of course.
36:01
But I think that's like, that's the sort of personality type
36:04
they were trying to play to is like, if you're sick of being
36:06
told that America is everything bad and we just have this legacy
36:10
of slavery, you know, and you're sick of all that, well, we're
36:13
going to be the opposite of that.
36:14
We're going to be the people who champion America and wave the
36:16
flags everywhere and talk about how great we are and UN
36:19
unapologetically and aim for the, you know, aim for the
36:22
stars. And there's nothing inherently
36:23
wrong with those things on their own, but it's all just a facade
36:27
in order to suck people into technocracy.
36:31
It. Well, that's what.
36:32
I was alluding to and and that's the danger also of technocracy.
36:36
The average person doesn't quite understand it because what it
36:39
does and it's it's beautiful in its design is that it merges,
36:43
you know, communism and capitalism and all these isms
36:47
into, into one system of mass control that uses technology and
36:52
science and, and, and things that sound great.
36:56
Absolutely. And I think that's an important
36:57
piece of the puzzle. I've been trying to champion
37:00
that that message as well for a few years because there's this
37:03
dichotomy, the binary that a lot of people get stuck in what not
37:06
just the left, the right Democrats, Republicans in the
37:09
US, but the communism versus fascism element too as well.
37:12
And, and I think the reason that is also important to suss out
37:16
and to expose for people is because Anthony Sutton, who was
37:19
one of the early researchers who was talking about technocracy,
37:22
along with Patrick Wood and, and their book Trilaterals Over
37:25
Washington. And some of the early work that
37:27
they were doing back in the 70s, talking about the Trilateral
37:29
Commission and how that was kind of a rebirth of the original
37:33
technocracy movement from the 1930s as a big new Brzezinski.
37:36
Of course, David Rockefeller and some others helped found the
37:38
Trilateral Commission. And it was all coming out of
37:41
Columbia University, which also happens to be the birth place of
37:44
technocracy. They were saying back then that
37:47
too many people were getting sucked into this narrative of
37:50
whether it's capitalism or communism, fascism or, you know,
37:54
extreme leftism, whatever dichotomy binary you want to put
37:57
there, that people are still fighting those kind of ghosts
38:01
and that that really wasn't what it was about.
38:03
And in fact, I've even heard, you know, the the legend
38:07
researcher G Edward Gryphon say that back in the 50s and 60s, he
38:10
kind of fell into that course communism, the red scare.
38:12
He's like, we had good reason to be afraid of communism.
38:15
And I think there's legit reasons, but he kind of put that
38:17
up on as like, that's the ultimate enemy.
38:19
And then over time he realised, wait, that's just another binary
38:22
that they're putting in front of me to it's capitalism or it's
38:25
communism. And like you said, the
38:27
technocracy merges these different elements together.
38:30
And so I saw this a lot during, I think it happens every
38:32
election, but especially this past year's election in the
38:35
United States where people were saying, on one hand, if Biden
38:40
win or if Kamala Harris wins, it's going to be full on
38:43
communism. Like this is the end of freedom.
38:45
Freedom of speech is going to die everywhere.
38:47
We have to stop her at all costs, right?
38:49
And then of course, the other side, who's doesn't like Trump,
38:52
but maybe not for the reasons we're talking about here, says
38:55
like, if Trump's going to win, it's going to be full on
38:57
fascism. And you know, I tend to, I don't
38:59
disagree with them, but it's still setting up in those kind
39:02
of binaries of it's, it's communism or it's fascism and
39:05
not realising that technocracy is kind of above and beyond both
39:08
of these and is going to use elements of, of all of the
39:11
above. But by focusing on the wrong,
39:15
not only by giving it the wrong names, then you're kind of
39:18
missing the bigger picture. You're missing the point, and
39:21
you can't really fight something if you don't know what it is.
39:23
If you don't know not only just the name of it, but the
39:26
ideology, the the the goals, the mission of the thing you're
39:30
fighting, then you're going to keep losing because you're
39:32
fighting the wrong thing. And I mean, a good example of
39:37
technocracy in a real world setting is the UN.
39:40
It's a really pushing sustainable development agendas
39:43
and and smart cities and smart grids and smart everything.
39:47
Meanwhile, like the Trump base, for example, are like, oh, but
39:52
it's China. China, they're the enemy, but
39:54
they're forgetting. They're forgetting who the real
39:56
enemy is. Yeah, there's this.
39:59
I mean, I, I, I get the concern about China and in some
40:03
instances, but I definitely see that that has become that's like
40:06
the red herring that a lot of the mega media, right wing
40:10
conservatives, yeah, or Iran now it's like that or that, you
40:13
know, whatever the sort of. Right leaning, even if they
40:16
consider themselves awake again, like Infowars, Alex Jones, it's
40:19
like, it's the Chai comms. It's Chai, you know, it's like
40:21
this sort of narrative that it's just like singularly focused on
40:25
that, right. And and they're missing the
40:27
bigger picture. And to me, and I'd love to, I'd
40:29
love your opinion on this man, because I've been reflecting on
40:31
this recently, especially with the the bombing of Iran and all
40:34
this stuff going on is like at times I tend to doubt any of
40:39
these groups are truly against each other.
40:42
You know, I think that there's probably true cultural
40:44
differences, right, between the Chinese and the Iranians and the
40:47
Americans and stuff like that. But what I often tell my
40:49
audience is that even if they have disagreements and those
40:53
disagreements occasionally flare up into the public view, 99
40:57
times out of 100, the rulers of these countries and the people
41:00
who are behind them, the banking class, etcetera, and the others
41:04
who are actually pulling the strings, they will side with
41:06
each other 99 times out of 100 over the people.
41:09
So even if they have real occasional disputes and spats,
41:13
that doesn't mean that we need to fall into the trap of like, I
41:17
want to support China because they're going to, or the BRICS
41:19
nations, they're going to save me from the US or they're, you
41:21
know, vice versa. I think that for me at least, is
41:24
another kind of trap of starting to identify with one of these
41:27
other players. But what do you think about
41:29
that? I mean, do you think that they
41:30
are all sitting behind the scenes, you know, sharing
41:33
champagne glasses, or do you think some of the disputes we
41:36
see in front of the camera are legit?
41:40
I think. I think.
41:41
That that some of the disputes are legit, but I think more
41:44
importantly, all wars are bankers wars Biden, right?
41:49
The guy couldn't speak in full sentences right.
41:52
So it was clear as day that he wasn't pulling the strings and I
41:55
think every person Hussein will agree that he wasn't pulling the
41:59
strings. So if that if, if that is true,
42:02
what makes you think that Trump is pulling the strings?
42:06
Yeah. And I think that.
42:07
The interesting thing about that whole Biden thing to sort of
42:09
reveal that the president is a puppet because that's, that's
42:13
one sort of, you know, benefit. I saw the whole thing is like,
42:16
OK, well, people are finally seeing like the president is a
42:19
puppet, but unfortunately, because it was in the guise of
42:22
an old man who is becoming more and more senile everyday.
42:26
And, you know, and, and honestly, it's like, you know, I
42:28
don't think Biden's a, a hero or a good guy, but there's
42:31
definitely an element of like, man, this is just sad.
42:33
They're just literally propping this old dude up and making him
42:35
go around and just, he's probably confused everywhere he
42:38
goes. But then because, well, Trump's
42:41
a little more fit. He's got, you know, he's got all
42:42
his mental faculties and this and that, People all of a sudden
42:45
forget, OK, but last year, I mean, even in the last six
42:48
months, there have been reporting the mainstream US
42:52
press about the different group of people in the Biden White
42:55
House who are pulling the strings of Biden.
42:57
Now, of course, even those people like you say, I think are
43:00
low level. They're not like the actual
43:02
people running it. But even if you just take the
43:03
mainstream perspective, the mainstream was the mainstream
43:06
media was willing to admit Biden was not in charge.
43:09
There was about 5 or 6 people around him, including his wife
43:12
and some other decision makers who were actually making these
43:15
major decisions. And even at that level, then
43:18
that's like, OK, so the mask has kind of come off.
43:20
The president's not in charge. People around him are the ones
43:22
that make those decisions. But I think we know at a deeper
43:24
level, it's not even those bureaucrats.
43:26
It's it's people above and beyond them.
43:28
But still, now that Trump's in office, it's like some of his
43:32
crowd have forgotten that. And they think, no, no, that was
43:34
Biden because Biden's old and senile.
43:36
Trump's coming in and he's taking charge.
43:38
He's the one really leading the way now.
43:41
That's the thing about. The Biden administration, he was
43:44
so stupid and clumsy and old and senile that it made Trump's
43:48
ascension so much easier. And then, of course, the theatre
43:52
of the shooting, you know, and the, the, the, the, the
43:55
assassination attempt, quote, unquote.
43:58
Yeah. So, so the whole thing made.
44:00
Was this hero. Exactly.
44:02
That was all like, and and I've again, I've been trying to I'm
44:05
glad that you're on the same page as that, because I think
44:07
there's even folks within the independent, so called
44:10
alternative media who are still, but like, you know, they
44:13
question Trump, but they still buy the the assassination
44:15
attempts. And I just there's not
44:17
everything about that day does not sit well with me.
44:20
And I think there's some some great reporting out there kind
44:22
of calling into question the different discrepancies.
44:24
But overall that was part of a larger operation to deify Trump.
44:28
I mean, we saw that like, I mean, we're literally right
44:30
after the shooting. There's people who claim to be
44:33
Christians and others religious folk that folks who are.
44:36
The the photo of the. Hands and all that.
44:38
I mean, it's just like so perfectly timed right.
44:41
And then and like you said, I think that it had to be done the
44:44
way it was like you have to show people this guy is not in
44:48
control for in terms of Biden, this guy is just, you know, he,
44:52
he's just embarrassing the country.
44:54
And also the left, the Democrats, the progressives were
44:58
pushing transgenderism as boldly as you could go.
45:02
And they're pushing all kinds of policies that again, the average
45:05
American like to use my family again, I think about my my
45:08
brother in And So what it does is all of a
45:21
sudden he's looking over at Trump and Trump's like, I'm
45:23
going to be better than the other side.
45:25
He literally doesn't have to try hard.
45:26
He's just like, I'm going to do better than them.
45:28
We're going to get rid of all the bad things that you hate.
45:30
And then, of course, the shooting and then Musk and
45:35
Zuckerberg and everybody rallying around him and like,
45:37
oh, he's such a badass and this and that.
45:39
Like it was quite an operation. And I think that all of that had
45:43
to happen in order for it to be successful.
45:45
You have to make the other side look as dumb and stupid and
45:49
irresponsible as possible, pushing policies that any sane
45:52
person would not support, and then just present somebody who
45:57
seems to be slightly better. You know, it's like all he had
45:59
to do was just be slightly less of a piece of a shit as the
46:02
other side. And it was enough for a lot of
46:05
people. And even though in my mind all
46:07
the signs were there, I did some, I did a 2 hour
46:10
conversation with Ian Carroll, who is just blown up a lot in
46:13
the last year and who I'm very sceptical of despite us having
46:16
some conversations, you know, I don't really fully trust him.
46:18
But we did a 2 hour conversation prior to the election and I was
46:21
laying out all these things and, you know, getting called black
46:24
tilt, getting called negative, getting called doom or whatever
46:27
for pointing out the obvious signs of, of what we're now
46:30
seeing lest what is it like 6 months into Trump's
46:32
administration. And here we are.
46:34
It's today's July 1st, right? So we've got six months of data
46:37
now to look at. And I think those of us who were
46:39
calling out Trump and concerned about the presence of Bilderberg
46:43
members around him and what WF members around him and
46:47
technocrats and Zionists, etcetera have been proven
46:50
correct and we are only 1/8 of the way through this thing.
46:57
What's the moral of the story? Then.
47:00
Don't trust politicians. Don't trust politicians.
47:03
I mean, I don't think there's any.
47:04
I don't see how any. I don't know.
47:08
I don't want to be demeaning. I don't want to be demoralising
47:11
to people. Do what you think works best for
47:13
you. But I don't see how an informed,
47:17
educated adult, I'm only 40 years old, you know, I don't
47:21
claim to be an expert or, you know, the most educated person
47:24
on the planet, but I don't see how people can continue to watch
47:27
what we're witnessing, not just in the United States, but I know
47:29
the same patterns repeated elsewhere, the UK and Canada
47:32
and, and, and South Africa and across Europe, where people keep
47:35
falling for the next person that's promising to come along
47:38
and fix this situation. And I guarantee you there will
47:40
be another one. There's, you know, whether it's
47:42
going to be JD Vance in a couple of years or even I see people
47:45
like Thomas Massie in the US. He's a, he's a great guy in
47:48
terms of principle. He calls out a lot of things.
47:50
But I'm sure I could see him in a couple years saying I'm going
47:53
to run for president and I'm going to be the one that's going
47:55
to fix everything. RFK, you know, all these kind of
47:58
promises. There will always be another
47:59
person to come along that promise that they're going to
48:01
fix things. And even if that person
48:04
genuinely has the best intentions and isn't a member of
48:07
a secret society behind the scenes or isn't working for the
48:09
Jesuits or, you know, the Venetian Black Nobility, or it
48:12
doesn't have any ties, like they could be the cleanest person,
48:15
the system will corrupt them and they will end up selling out
48:18
because you don't get into these positions of power.
48:21
You definitely don't get anywhere near the presidency in
48:23
the White House or being a Prime Minister without being groomed
48:26
for that position. So this narrative that people
48:28
have bought into that somehow, you know, the, the, the
48:31
Democrats never saw Trump coming, and neither did the
48:34
Republicans and the media. We all thought Hillary was going
48:36
to win. It was just, Oh my God.
48:37
To me, that was all part of the operation, too.
48:39
It had to seem, it had to seem magical.
48:42
It had to seem like nobody could have imagined this happen.
48:44
And somehow beyond all odds, Trump got in there.
48:48
Now he's just wrecking the system.
48:49
Like, I just think for me, the narrative is to not fall for
48:52
politicians and to not believe that politics is going to fix,
48:56
fix our way out of this. You know, one of my great
48:58
inspirations, he's now deceased. His name was John Trudell.
49:01
He was a Native American activist.
49:02
And back in the 60s and the 70s, what was called the Red Power
49:06
movement back then or the American Indian movement, they
49:08
were some of the last people to have literal physical gunfights
49:12
with the US government. And I don't think that's the
49:14
solution. And then they learned very
49:15
quickly that wasn't the solution, but they were the last
49:17
like radical natives who were like pushing back against the
49:21
government because of violations of treaties and things like
49:23
this. And John Trudeau has this really
49:25
great speech where he, he talked about how in the 60s he's like,
49:29
we had this movement for radical ideas and people were wanting
49:32
change. And then all of a sudden they
49:34
started talking about voting and they started talking about going
49:36
into the system. And, and you know, he just
49:38
basically says, like, we can't win as long as we're playing the
49:41
game. You know, the system knows how
49:43
to handle us. If we vote, they're just going
49:45
to keep putting puppets out there for us to fall for.
49:47
They know how to handle us. If we choose violence, they, you
49:49
know, they're going to come out with their wrecking crew and
49:51
their, you know, their militarised police state and,
49:53
and slam people down who think that violence is going to be the
49:56
answer. And they definitely know how to
49:58
deal with apathy. If we choose to just drop out
49:59
and do nothing, we'll think they're going to just March
50:02
forward with their agenda. The only thing they don't really
50:04
know how to handle is if we stop playing their game and we try to
50:08
build systems and solutions outside of the systems that they
50:11
control. And that's a big task.
50:13
It's not just go press a button once every four years and then
50:16
somebody else is going to solve it for you.
50:18
As I said earlier, that tends to involve changing your habits,
50:21
changing your lifestyle, really becoming activated.
50:24
And, and that's what I try to focus on.
50:26
And I did want to mention just briefly that if people are
50:29
interested in learning more about that idea of exit and
50:31
build, as I call it, my book, How to Opt Out the Technocratic
50:35
State is you can download it for free.
50:37
There's a free audio book. Of course you can buy it if you
50:39
like, but you can find it at theconsciousresistance.com/how
50:42
to. And I also put together a free
50:45
45 day exit and build challenge. I actually did this around the
50:48
election last year kind of leading up to the election and
50:51
just encouraging people like if you're going to vote, go ahead,
50:54
that's fine. But I also encourage you to
50:55
learn about this idea and do both learn about exit and build
50:59
and getting out of unplugging from the digital systems and
51:01
from the banking system and from these various systems that I
51:04
call it slavery systems or that they soon will be slavery
51:07
systems. And then you can still vote, but
51:09
see which of these actually brings value to your life.
51:11
And so if people want to check out that, that's
51:14
theconsciousresistance.com/EXB, just the letters EXB and it's
51:19
completely free. It'll take you through this idea
51:22
applied to your food, to your finances, to technology.
51:25
And it's just like you do one of these a week and see what comes
51:28
out of it. Because this is really where I
51:29
put my energy into is trying to build alternative parallel
51:33
systems. I think that is going to be the
51:35
key. I don't know if it'll solve all
51:37
of our problems, but I know that voting and continue to play that
51:40
game definitely isn't going to solve our problems.
51:44
Do you wake up? Happy are you?
51:46
Do you wake up with purpose? Absolutely every.
51:50
Single day, man. I mean, I woke up this morning,
51:52
I knew we had an interview, woke up, jumped in the shower, got
51:55
ready for this. I, I mean, I love, I love to do
51:58
the things that I am blessed to do.
52:00
You know, this, I never had the idea.
52:02
I didn't go to school for journalism.
52:03
I didn't ever think like, OK, I'm going to become an activist
52:07
and in one day I'll do interviews and you know, I'll
52:09
write books or do this sort of stuff.
52:11
It all, it all has genuinely as genuine as I can be, come from a
52:15
place of just wanting to empower myself, educate myself, of
52:18
course, but then share that knowledge with other people.
52:21
And I tend to find that because I focus on solutions that I have
52:25
less time to be focused on the doom and the scrolling and, and
52:28
all that stuff. I'm too busy creating.
52:29
I'm too busy collaborating with people like you to, you know,
52:33
just get sucked into like, oh, doom and everything's screwed
52:36
and there's everything's hopeless.
52:38
And so I think there definitely is a correlation between the
52:40
more action oriented you are and the less fear you have.
52:44
If you're doing nothing and you're just literally consuming
52:47
podcasts and watching documentaries while you, you
52:49
know, just watch the world get worse, then I'm sure that is a
52:52
pretty dark place to live. But for me, I've anything, I
52:55
feel like this path is given me a purpose that I don't know that
53:00
I had before. What are you listening to at
53:03
the? Moment.
53:03
Is there anything in your playlist?
53:04
I've got the Livingtons playing at the moment in my car.
53:08
Oh nice. I'm not familiar to check them
53:10
out, you know, so it's interesting.
53:12
I still do listen to to punk and metal here and there, but and I
53:15
don't, I don't think I've grown out of it, although I've become
53:18
I got a little sick of some of them during COVID, watching them
53:20
shield the vaccines and everything.
53:22
But these days I so I've also always been a punk metal
53:25
vocalist. That's what I did prior to
53:27
activism. I've always been in bands and
53:29
now I'm I still make music, but I do conscious hip hop with just
53:33
myself. You know, it's kind of easier
53:34
with how busy I am with everything else just to work
53:36
with the producer and make music.
53:38
So what I'm listening to right now is my own music.
53:41
I have a new song coming out this week that is pretty much
53:43
about what we're talking about here.
53:44
The the chorus is they think they can divide us, but we won't
53:48
let them win. We are stronger together, more
53:50
united than we've ever been. They're trying to divide us, but
53:53
they can't stop the free people because we're manifesting a
53:55
future where all life is equal. So that's kind of what I'm
53:58
jamming right now. I did hear.
54:01
Something of yours recently, but I love when you said you listen
54:06
to your own music. If I can't, If I can't.
54:11
Do my own music that I probably shouldn't be making it right.
54:16
All right, Derek Bros, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
54:19
I thank you, brother. Appreciate.
54:20
You.