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Speaker 1: and Hugh Millin.
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Speaker 2: My goodness, not only are the Seahawks still playing football
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Speaker 2: Welcome into this Monday show. It's Chuck, Buck and Ashley
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Speaker 2: during football season. Our experts, first Greg Bell, then Hugh Millan,
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Speaker 2: who is still with us, and now we welcome Mike
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Speaker 2: I'll give you a dollar for your thoughts. Coach Holmgrin
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Speaker 2: on what you saw on Saturday.
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Speaker 3: That was Excuse me, that was unbelievable. I've got to
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Speaker 3: stop predicting the outcome of games. I have to stop.
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Speaker 3: Because I thought that was going to be a hard fought,
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Speaker 3: close game. I thought the Seahawks would win. I was
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Speaker 3: okay with that. But it was not a close game
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Speaker 3: at all. I mean, they dominated like I haven't seen
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Speaker 3: them dominate in a while. And no, hats off to
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Speaker 3: Mike McDonald and the team. And and now now we
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Speaker 3: take the next step towards the Super Bowl. But you
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Speaker 3: know what, I think they're gonna They're gonna get there.
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Speaker 3: They are gonna get there, and I think they're gonna win.
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Speaker 4: Mike, what jumped out at you the.
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Speaker 5: Most from what you saw.
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Speaker 3: I thought. I thought the defensive pressure on on Purdy.
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Speaker 3: I thought they went in saying we have to do this.
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Speaker 3: Having said that, you know, I not having Kittle. The
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Speaker 3: injury thing with the forty nine ers is real, and
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Speaker 3: they've been able to overcome it this season, but they
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Speaker 3: couldn't against the Seahawks. They could not. The thing that
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Speaker 3: jumped out of me, Hugh, was how much pressure the
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Speaker 3: front four, just with four guys could disrupt and put
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Speaker 3: pressure on purty four guys. If you can do that,
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Speaker 3: if a team can do that, and then they have
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Speaker 3: the other seven guys really athletic, physical guys, not all linebackers,
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Speaker 3: mostly defensive backs, but kind of the defensive back linebacker
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Speaker 3: combination body you can then you get to fool around
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Speaker 3: with all those guys back there. It's tough to run
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Speaker 3: an offense against a group like that.
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Speaker 2: Thirteen pressures in the game. I don't know if you
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Speaker 2: saw the stat but they said that they did like steps,
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Speaker 2: pretty steps, and that he ran backwards forward, sideways for
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Speaker 2: like five hundred yards. Yeah, it's in the game on
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Speaker 2: Saturday night, just running away from pressure.
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Speaker 3: The entire day they put they put a lot of
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Speaker 3: pressure on him.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean they only got the two sacks
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Speaker 6: with the amount of pressure that he was under was
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Speaker 6: kind of unbelievable. I mean, is that a is that
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Speaker 6: a scheme thing that you see that Mike McDonald's don
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Speaker 6: or is that just the jimmies and jokes. I mean,
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Speaker 6: is that the guys that are relentless and getting after
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Speaker 6: the passer and putting you know, collapse in the pocket.
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Speaker 6: Or is there something that you see that they're doing
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Speaker 6: to be able to just send four and at work.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 3: I think it's a combination of things.
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Speaker 5: Buck.
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Speaker 3: They they to be able to do what they do,
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Speaker 3: you have to have those athletes, and they have athletes.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a big you know, reads big and strong,
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Speaker 3: and he's kind of the load in there. But the
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Speaker 3: other guys can move and they can run those t
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Speaker 3: stunts and all that kind of stuff to disrupt and
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Speaker 3: at least collapse the pocket and put pressure on the quarterback.
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Speaker 3: And so then that allows you then to fool around
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Speaker 3: with and be creative. And that's what he likes to do,
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Speaker 3: and that's what he's good at one of the things
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Speaker 3: he's good at. And so I think it's a combination
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Speaker 3: of those things, but the front floor they allow him
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Speaker 3: to do pretty much whatever he wants behind him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, not to overstat this thing, but last four games,
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Speaker 2: not against Seattle, party two hundred and eighty nine passing
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Speaker 2: yards per game, thirteen touchdowns against Seattle no touchdowns, two interceptions,
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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty three passing yards per.
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Speaker 5: Game, and two games. I mean, I don't know what
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Speaker 5: it is.
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Speaker 2: Well, for whatever reason, the San Francisco forty nine ers
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Speaker 2: offense is it has done really well down the stretch,
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Speaker 2: even with those injuries, except against Seattle.
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Speaker 5: Mike McDonald's has got their number well.
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Speaker 3: The other thing too, And I would say this, I
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Speaker 3: think in that game, this one that just finished, I
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Speaker 3: think the crowd. They say the crowd always helps you.
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Speaker 3: In Seattle, that was crazy nuts aloud. Yeah, And so
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Speaker 3: that had to have a little bit of an effect
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Speaker 3: as well.
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Speaker 7: When you're talking about the effect, certainly you've been in
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Speaker 7: situations like that, You've been on the road, You've seen
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Speaker 7: you standing on those sidelines. The effect that it has
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Speaker 7: on the opponents. Would you say that it has more
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Speaker 7: of an effect on just the communication piece or you
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Speaker 7: would you say it falls more into the emotional side,
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Speaker 7: and you know, the lift, the adrenaline it gives, the
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Speaker 7: defense and the deflating nature. What about that, the practicality
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Speaker 7: of communication or the emotional stuff.
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Speaker 3: I think it starts off with the communits. How many
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Speaker 3: times do you see him put his hands over the
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Speaker 3: holes in his helmet on the side, or they they
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Speaker 3: get to the line late, or they're they're all squeezed
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Speaker 3: in that huddle like I've never seen before. And it's
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Speaker 3: because of the noise. Now that's and now is the season.
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Speaker 3: As the game goes along and you go, you know,
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Speaker 3: the opening kickoff, okay, then it's ten, then it's seventeen,
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Speaker 3: then it's twenty four, and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 3: that coupled with the noise in the atmosphere, I think
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Speaker 3: it had that has a negative effect on the opponent
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Speaker 3: as well.
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Speaker 2: When he scoreboard started changing, he was holding his hands
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Speaker 2: over his eyes, not just his ears, I know, yeh.
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Speaker 7: I thought on that. You know, everybody says Seattle, Kansas City.
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Speaker 7: I never played in a rabbit environment in Seattle, but
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Speaker 7: but Kansas City when I was with the Broncos, Ela
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Speaker 7: got hurt. I go in, this is December, we're both
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Speaker 7: going for playoffs, and what have you. And in that game,
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Speaker 7: I was screaming as loud as I could in the huddle,
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Speaker 7: and guys would still go, what you know, if they
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Speaker 7: weren't within a couple of feet, they still were like
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Speaker 7: what would And then at the line, Mike, I was
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Speaker 7: certain that only the center and maybe guards could hear me.
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Speaker 7: No way could the tackles hear me? Right, And and
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Speaker 7: I know cl gets that way on a on a
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Speaker 7: regular basis, So I'm kind of answering my own question.
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Speaker 7: The degree to which it makes communication hard just cannot
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Speaker 7: be overstated.
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Speaker 4: Oh no.
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Speaker 3: And then if you're going against a front like Seattle has,
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Speaker 3: there's an you know, the whole thing you could one second,
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Speaker 3: two set. You're talking about very very quick things happening,
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Speaker 3: and the defensive line in that situation has an advantage
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Speaker 3: right away because the offense reacted like your point you
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Speaker 3: I mean, you're trying to get the guys to get
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Speaker 3: off on time, and it's they're they're always just a
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Speaker 3: little tick late. They're just a little tick late. And
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Speaker 3: you say, well, what's a big deal. It's just a
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Speaker 3: little bit. But you add that with the movement and
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Speaker 3: the stuff that they do, it's not a little deal.
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Speaker 6: Coach Cooper Cup had a good game. There wasn't a
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Speaker 6: lot that was necessary out of the offense. I mean,
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Speaker 6: sam Donold didn't throw a ball. I don't e think
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Speaker 6: at all in the in the fourth quarter. I think
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Speaker 6: that what Cooper Cup brings to the table seems a
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Speaker 6: bit understated. He's not the Cooper Cup that he was
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Speaker 6: when he was with the Rams. But what do you
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Speaker 6: see out of a guy like that? What does a
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Speaker 6: guy like that, a veteran bring to an offense that
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Speaker 6: if they all of a sudden try to take.
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Speaker 3: Away Jackson Smith and Jigbo.
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Speaker 6: Let's say that a guy like that can bring to
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Speaker 6: the table or is a safety valve for his quarterback?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think that the first thing is the quarterback.
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Speaker 3: You know you can count on him. You know you
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Speaker 3: can count on him to be at the right spot,
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Speaker 3: do the right thing. And so that's that's off the
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Speaker 3: table that you know you can do that, and he
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Speaker 3: can and then he blocks, he blocks. Yeah, you know
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Speaker 3: that's understated, just little bit. And he's a wide receiver.
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Speaker 3: Not every wide receiver likes to do that, honestly, not
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Speaker 3: every in fact, very few of them really like to
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Speaker 3: do that. But he does it, and he does it well.
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Speaker 3: And then I think in the meeting room and on
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Speaker 3: the practice field and just his leadership. I don't think
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Speaker 3: that can be overstated as well. I think I really
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Speaker 3: like him as a player obviously, and he's had you know,
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Speaker 3: he was the MVP a couple of years ago. He's
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Speaker 3: not you know, he's nearing the end, I guess of
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Speaker 3: his career. But he's still a very valuable part of
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Speaker 3: this offense, particularly if they decide to spend too much
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Speaker 3: time stopping in Jigma.
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Speaker 2: Mike Holmgren Hugh Millan with US Monday Morning Quarterback continues
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Speaker 2: forty one six. The Seahawks slam the forty nine Ers
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Speaker 2: in the divisional round of the playoffs Saturday night, and
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Speaker 2: we're here to celebrate. We're here to rub it in
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Speaker 2: their faces right here on Sports Radio ninety three point
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Speaker 2: three KJRFM. Let's talk about Sam Darnold quarterback play as
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Speaker 2: a coach with your expert. I I mean, did you
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Speaker 2: see that they did anything to protect him or that
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Speaker 2: he was trying to protect himself to just see any
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Speaker 2: of that with the oblique injury on Saturday night?
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Speaker 3: Well, I look at the thing as anytime a quarterback
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Speaker 3: throws only seventeen passes. That's not a fun game for me.
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Speaker 3: You know, you're still saying I'm very happy, but you know,
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Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time in the quarterbacks and
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Speaker 3: I played quarterback. That's not fun, you know. So I'm
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Speaker 3: looking at his numbers and good for him, though, I
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Speaker 3: mean the fact that if it bothered me that you
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Speaker 3: couldn't tell I can't tail, you know, and then he
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Speaker 3: he did. They didn't need him to shoot lights out.
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Speaker 3: They didn't need him to throw for two hundred and
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Speaker 3: fifty yards, you know. And and you know, in looking
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Speaker 3: at the whole game, the running game went well, they
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Speaker 3: walk around a great game, but the rams, you know,
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Speaker 3: the turnovers, the kickoff, they're not making fourth downs. There
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Speaker 3: are about seven plays there, seven or eight plays that
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Speaker 3: allowed the Seahawks just to blow blow them away. Mike.
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Speaker 7: You know my take on this, I know, I just
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Speaker 7: have this sense at the national media they're gonna look
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Speaker 7: at that that one hundred and was it one hundred
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Speaker 7: and twenty seven yards? Was that the figure one hundred
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Speaker 7: twenty four yards? I think as well Sam Darnold, and
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Speaker 7: somehow they're going to try and put him in some
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Speaker 7: kind of Trent Dilford category. And I would just say
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Speaker 7: that as a reminder, for the first fourteen games, for
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Speaker 7: every hundred yards that the Seahawks ran for, the Seahawks
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Speaker 7: passed for two hundred and fifty two. Now it's it's
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Speaker 7: just over the last four games, it's just one hundred
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Speaker 7: and ten yards passing for every hundred but the fourteen
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Speaker 7: games and then and then and then, uh, this stat
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Speaker 7: I think for the entire season, when the Seahawks were
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Speaker 7: behind by one score, losing by one or eight in
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Speaker 7: the fourth core or Sam Donald had one hundred and
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Speaker 7: twenty four passer rating that's third in the NFL, no interceptions.
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Speaker 7: And then when you consider that those situations and under
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Speaker 7: pressure with the NFL, with with guys in his face,
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Speaker 7: he had one hundred and forty three passer rating in
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Speaker 7: the fourth.
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Speaker 4: Quarter, down by one score and under pressure.
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Speaker 7: So here's a guy that delivered the goods for Seattle
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Speaker 7: to have the number one seed so that they could
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Speaker 7: have a game like that for their quarterback with a
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Speaker 7: hurd obleak and say, hey, we got this. The twelves
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Speaker 7: everybody else is gonna carry, We're gonna we got this thing.
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Speaker 4: The kickoff return and what have you.
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Speaker 7: So anyway, that's just a thought about Donald, not really
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Speaker 7: questioning in there other than just your.
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Speaker 4: Comment on on my comment.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think I'm a and I've said it
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Speaker 3: from the beginning. I'm an I'm a fan of Sam's
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Speaker 3: and he's I think I don't know the number, Hugh,
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Speaker 3: you knowing the number. I think he's thrown for almost
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Speaker 3: four thousand yards this year, great.
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Speaker 5: Year, you know.
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Speaker 3: And and so he's the reason. He's the he's one
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Speaker 3: of the big reasons there where they are. And I
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Speaker 3: don't know anyone can be critical of a quarterback who's
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Speaker 3: led the team to this record, you know, because there
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Speaker 3: were games where they had to where he had to
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Speaker 3: take over the game. There have been games like that.
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Speaker 3: He didn't have to do it. He did not have
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Speaker 3: to do it Saturday, but he he might have to
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Speaker 3: do it a little bit the next week, you know.
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Speaker 3: So No, I'm with you, he's he's good.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, in one game that he had those four picks
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Speaker 6: and you could probably say, well you lost that one
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Speaker 6: for us. But yeah, he's got a number one seed.
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Speaker 6: I think that he should get a little bit more
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Speaker 6: credit than he does. But Ken Walker maybe he won't
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Speaker 6: have to carry the team like he has a few
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Speaker 6: to some of these victories this season. If ken Walker
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Speaker 6: keeps running the way that he did, is that is
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Speaker 6: there something about the way he ran that made you
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Speaker 6: that it looked different or was it just way more openings?
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Speaker 3: I think to me he looked like he always does
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Speaker 3: to me, you know sometimes, But there were openings there,
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Speaker 3: there were big gaps, and he found them. But his
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Speaker 3: ability to start one way and come back another way,
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Speaker 3: that's just how he He likes to do that anyway.
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Speaker 3: And then in this running scheme blocking scheme that they have,
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Speaker 3: it's he's the perfect guy for that because he can
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Speaker 3: start one way and he likes to go back the
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Speaker 3: other way anyway. And it's kind of built that way.
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Speaker 3: And so I think his offensive line should get credit,
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Speaker 3: but he certainly is and he gets Listen, give him
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Speaker 3: a lot of credit too. But they blocked. They did
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Speaker 3: a nice jold blocking for him. On Saturday, Mike, a.
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Speaker 7: Couple of schematic thoughts from from the other night, and
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Speaker 7: what's kind of evolved. I see Walker is lining up
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Speaker 7: a little bit deeper, you know, he he's at eight
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Speaker 7: yards and some of those earlier in the season where
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Speaker 7: it's seven and uh and they're taking a little bit
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Speaker 7: wider path on their wide zone and then on the
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Speaker 7: inside zone.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 7: I would describe it to you as like Iso Lee
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Speaker 7: draw steps, you know, where's he's deep and it starts
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Speaker 7: to take a step like he's gonna step to the white.
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Speaker 7: But then now that thing is not hitting fast, it's
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Speaker 7: hitting deep and almost delayed on the inside zone. And
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Speaker 7: it's almost as if they said, okay, let's get it
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Speaker 7: U canine's hips parallel to the to the line scrimmage
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Speaker 7: and then allow him to if he wants to cut back, fine,
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Speaker 7: if he wants to bounce whatever, but but to give
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Speaker 7: give him some some options that way, you know, the
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Speaker 7: details and the refinement that the running game takes. What
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Speaker 7: about those changes that we've seen.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think it plays beautifully into what he likes
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Speaker 3: to do. And they've if in fact, that extra yard
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Speaker 3: and and the little movement he has on his first step,
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Speaker 3: if they figured that out and that's why they moved
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Speaker 3: him back, I said, good move. I mean, that's that's
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Speaker 3: because he likes to do that. But I think the
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Speaker 3: scheme itself really plays into his hand. Having said that,
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Speaker 3: you know, if he's going to run right, they're going
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Speaker 3: to start right and come back left, or start left
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Speaker 3: come back right. The backside linemen have to be doing
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Speaker 3: their jobs very well. And so it's a combination of things,
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Speaker 3: I think. But I think the system now and what
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Speaker 3: you just describe plays into what he is, he likes
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Speaker 3: to do, and what he's good at and so and
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Speaker 3: then he and then you notice the other thing. I
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Speaker 3: would just say quickly, he's tough to tackle. He's tough
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Speaker 3: to tackle, and so if one guy usually doesn't get him.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: So, was it so bad Saturday that you were embarrassed
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Speaker 2: to have been a part of the forty.
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Speaker 3: Nine ers organization at one point? Well, you know, I
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you. I'll tell you what I'll tell you.
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Speaker 3: My first playoff, my first playoff experience with the forty
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Speaker 3: nine ers. We went back and played the Giants, and
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Speaker 3: we threw it past the Jerry Rice and and and
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Speaker 3: he and he ran down there and fumbled the ball. Well,
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Speaker 3: no one hit him. He just dropped the ball in
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Speaker 3: the five five yard line and they recovered and Bill
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Speaker 3: watsh out in my ear, He goes, we just lost
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Speaker 3: the game. I said, And I didn't say anything because
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Speaker 3: I'm new. I said, we're only a minute into the game.
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Speaker 3: You know, they nipped, they nipped, and then Joe Montana
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Speaker 3: got hit knocked out the game. They nipped US forty
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Speaker 3: nine to three. So I've had experienced a little bit
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Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, and so you.
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Speaker 5: Kind of had that feeling.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going Saturday night. I'm watching the game. At
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Speaker 3: the halftime, I was debating if I should go play
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Speaker 3: pickleball or or do something.
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Speaker 7: You have audio Kyle Shanahan said the same thing after
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Speaker 7: the Reid Shheed touched down on the kickoff.
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, I think Shannon. I think Shannon got caught
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Speaker 8: that youth he.
19:02
Speaker 2: Goes and it detercepted. Ernest Charles has.
19:06
Speaker 8: His sixth of the year.
19:10
Speaker 2: Fox Highlights of the forty one sixth thrashing of the
19:14
Speaker 2: forty nine ers on Saturday night. Seahawks are going on
19:17
Speaker 2: to the NFC Conference Championship Game. It'll be this Sunday
19:21
Speaker 2: three thirty against the Los Angeles Rams, who survived the
19:25
Speaker 2: cold and the Chicago Bears yesterday evening, and so we
19:30
Speaker 2: are set one went away from the Super Bowl. Something
19:33
Speaker 2: we might bring up with Mike Holmgren here in our hour,
19:36
Speaker 2: Hugh Millen here as well. But one thing that we
19:40
Speaker 2: really haven't discussed at length. We've mentioned it a couple
19:44
Speaker 2: of times, but I would get huge opinion on this
19:48
Speaker 2: as well. But we'll start with you, coach, just to
19:50
Speaker 2: start a game with a kick return I mean we
19:52
Speaker 2: were already talking about the atmosphere and the energy. What
19:55
Speaker 2: does that do to your football team? When Rashid Shaheed
19:59
Speaker 2: starts the game.
20:00
Speaker 3: The way that he did on Saturday, you know, I
20:02
Speaker 3: don't think he can be overstated. I think that that
20:05
Speaker 3: takes a lot out of the You know, you're going
20:08
Speaker 3: a game, both sides are excited, and it's it's the
20:11
Speaker 3: playoffs and all that, and all of a sudden, bam,
20:14
Speaker 3: they get your seven points down before you do anything,
20:17
Speaker 3: before you do anything. And the thing is, the Rams
20:20
Speaker 3: special teams have been abused all year. They haven't been
20:24
Speaker 3: good on special teams. And how many times. What struck
20:28
Speaker 3: me on that return was that there was a lot
20:31
Speaker 3: of room. Sometimes the guy breaks through some stuff, and
20:36
Speaker 3: this one there was a lot of room over there.
20:40
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. If you you you
20:43
Speaker 3: probably looked at how they covered.
20:44
Speaker 7: It, Yeah, I did, you know, Well, the L two
20:49
Speaker 7: and Chuck and Buck the way you talk about in
20:52
Speaker 7: special teams, you know, you just go L is obviously left,
20:56
Speaker 7: you know, and you start from the outside one, two, three, four, five,
20:59
Speaker 7: and then and then obviously on the right. So L
21:02
Speaker 7: two and R one were unblocked by sea. That's the
21:07
Speaker 7: forty nine er players. They were run blocked. They're both
21:09
Speaker 7: dbs and uh Rashid Shaheat had to run away from
21:13
Speaker 7: L two and then he had to break the tackle
21:15
Speaker 7: on R one. Uh credit Tyrese Knight and and.
21:21
Speaker 4: Caught her up.
21:22
Speaker 7: Who's eighty nine the new the rich and call her up? Yeah,
21:25
Speaker 7: call her up. They had a double team. That was
21:27
Speaker 7: their double team at the point of attack.
21:30
Speaker 3: Uh.
21:30
Speaker 4: That went well. And then and then I.
21:33
Speaker 7: Think Brad Brady uh thirty eight uh Brady Brady Russell
21:40
Speaker 7: had a really good block. And then finally O'Connell at
21:43
Speaker 7: the point of the top attack had the last block.
21:45
Speaker 7: But but I think Shaheat's part he starts up the
21:48
Speaker 7: numbers mic and that helped. Then he had to run
21:51
Speaker 7: away from L two, but he the real play he
21:55
Speaker 7: had to make is, you know, find that hole and
21:57
Speaker 7: then break the tackle of R one, which he did
22:00
Speaker 7: and then outrun the kicker and all the rest. But
22:04
Speaker 7: it was just absolutely beautiful blocking and might have been
22:08
Speaker 7: a hold in there, but we won't talk about it
22:10
Speaker 7: up here.
22:10
Speaker 3: But the other one I thought it was and I
22:15
Speaker 3: thought the kicker did a nice job of trying to
22:18
Speaker 3: trip him.
22:18
Speaker 5: How about that dirty son of it?
22:20
Speaker 3: Oh he knew he's a soccer a soccer player, and
22:23
Speaker 3: I think they can do that in soccer.
22:24
Speaker 2: Yeah tackle, yeah, yeah, that was their whole game plan.
22:30
Speaker 2: Our dirty kicker will slide tackle him once he's zipped
22:33
Speaker 2: through our other ten defenders.
22:36
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, good luck with that.
22:39
Speaker 4: Yeah.
22:41
Speaker 7: You know, look, I'm like my You know, last week
22:44
Speaker 7: I was saying I expected a fifty nine to sixty
22:46
Speaker 7: minute game, So I was wrong. I figured, you know
22:50
Speaker 7: that they were going to come back heart of a
22:52
Speaker 7: champion most wins in the nfcasons twenty nineteen, and you know,
22:55
Speaker 7: they were getting Trent Williams back. And on that point,
23:00
Speaker 7: the forty nine ers since Trent Williams has been there,
23:05
Speaker 7: they've won six sixty five one at a six sixty
23:09
Speaker 7: five rate. But they're four and thirteen without him. You know,
23:13
Speaker 7: I got two thirty eight rate or something, And so
23:16
Speaker 7: you know, not just a little left tackle could swing
23:19
Speaker 7: a line like that, Mike, but maybe the conference they have,
23:23
Speaker 7: you know, he's their Walter Jones, right, so they're getting
23:26
Speaker 7: him back. They lost Kittle, but but I just thought
23:28
Speaker 7: they'd be more competitive. But the one thing we discussed
23:32
Speaker 7: on Friday is if you're going to have a blowout,
23:34
Speaker 7: you know, the first quarter is important because if you
23:36
Speaker 7: do get up on them, they might, you know, face
23:40
Speaker 7: the realization the forty nine ers that hey, this is
23:43
Speaker 7: not our year. You know, let's just you know, pack
23:46
Speaker 7: our bags and call it good for twenty twenty five.
23:49
Speaker 7: And that's how it played out. Yeah, I think they
23:51
Speaker 7: had to. I think they knew. Kyle knew, and they
23:55
Speaker 7: the coacher knew. You got to play. You got to
23:58
Speaker 7: play almost flawless game to win because we're going against
24:02
Speaker 7: an opponent that's you know, they're not injured, they're healthy,
24:05
Speaker 7: they're playing well, they're defensive, shooting lights out. So and
24:09
Speaker 7: they didn't play a flawless game. And it started with
24:13
Speaker 7: the kickoff return. Then they had the turnovers, then they
24:17
Speaker 7: couldn't convert. How about okay, I'm gonna go against script.
24:21
Speaker 5: Here, here we go.
24:22
Speaker 3: I don't want to get fired up. I'm retired. I
24:24
Speaker 3: don't want to get fired up about this. But did
24:27
Speaker 3: you see the coach of the Bills, I got a
24:29
Speaker 3: different plan for you. They called they called time out,
24:33
Speaker 3: and then they ran for the fourth down. They ran
24:36
Speaker 3: their full back and it was it was like a
24:39
Speaker 3: pitch back. Remember that play, Yeah, it was at that point.
24:44
Speaker 3: It was at that point I had to sit down.
24:46
Speaker 3: I put on my blood pressure cuff on my on
24:49
Speaker 3: my arm, just to check out what are we what
24:52
Speaker 3: are they doing?
24:53
Speaker 6: That's when you became embarrassed about being connected.
24:55
Speaker 7: To you know, on that play, I wrote down, that
25:00
Speaker 7: might be the most ill conceived in Mike, in Kyle
25:04
Speaker 7: Shanahan's career or Mike Shanahan's career. And by the time
25:09
Speaker 7: you Jeff got the ball, you know, of course he's
25:11
Speaker 7: they're trying to option the balls on the right half,
25:14
Speaker 7: so they're they're optioning into the boundary. But by the
25:17
Speaker 7: time he got to the numbers there there were five
25:24
Speaker 7: defenders on the numbers are out who had already defeated
25:27
Speaker 7: their blocks, ready to make a play. And I wrote
25:29
Speaker 7: them down and see off memory, I think you had yet, Lawrence,
25:33
Speaker 7: you had read, you had Julian.
25:36
Speaker 4: Love, you had job and there's one other an't Iven.
25:42
Speaker 7: They had five guy like like, it wasn't just snuffed out,
25:46
Speaker 7: it was I can't imagine a defense more emphatically in
25:52
Speaker 7: a position to stop a play than on that play.
25:55
Speaker 3: No, if if the game had been played in San
25:58
Speaker 3: Francisco and that happened. The noise factor, it wouldn't have
26:03
Speaker 3: been just noise, it would have been heavy booze.
26:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah.
26:06
Speaker 3: Boy.
26:07
Speaker 2: Then that slow developing double reverse flea flicker that went
26:10
Speaker 2: for one yard. It was also at an odd time
26:13
Speaker 2: because they were actually getting their offense going for the
26:16
Speaker 2: first time the entire game, and then he threw that
26:18
Speaker 2: little gem out there.
26:20
Speaker 7: You know what though, I'm sorry, sorry, Mike, no, go ahead,
26:23
Speaker 7: go ahead, you know I in watching that tape, I
26:26
Speaker 7: think that that was set up as a screen. At
26:28
Speaker 7: the very least it was presented to Purdy as you've
26:32
Speaker 7: got a screen as an outlet, So we're gonna give
26:34
Speaker 7: you an over route in a post. If you don't
26:36
Speaker 7: love it, you're not gonna have great protection. Then we've
26:40
Speaker 7: got the screen. Or just look there, look down the field,
26:43
Speaker 7: and then throw it to the screen. So again, that
26:45
Speaker 7: was into the boundary. That was after they had got
26:48
Speaker 7: a fifteen yard completion, then a sixteen yard completion in
26:51
Speaker 7: the second quarter that they have a first down at
26:54
Speaker 7: around midfield. That's the only time they probably were feeling
26:58
Speaker 7: good about themselves.
27:00
Speaker 4: And then on first and ten.
27:01
Speaker 2: They get a fleet flicker for one yard, Hugh Millon,
27:06
Speaker 2: Mike Holmgrian with us here on chucking box. So now
27:10
Speaker 2: you get ready for the Los Angeles Rams here, coach,
27:14
Speaker 2: how big of a difference is?
27:15
Speaker 5: I mean, Sam.
27:16
Speaker 2: Darnold was out after really three quarters, they didn't throw
27:20
Speaker 2: a pass on the fourth.
27:21
Speaker 5: Ken Walker was out for the most of the fourth quarter. Meanwhile,
27:24
Speaker 5: the Rams had to.
27:25
Speaker 2: Play five quarters in order to beat the Bears, and
27:29
Speaker 2: they're gonna have one day less of rest to get
27:31
Speaker 2: ready for next Sunday.
27:33
Speaker 5: Is that a factor.
27:35
Speaker 3: As long as they didn't get hurt. I don't think
27:37
Speaker 3: it's going to be a factor. I really don't. I
27:40
Speaker 3: think I'm looking forward now. I said I wasn't going
27:44
Speaker 3: to predict anything because my predictions have not been good.
27:47
Speaker 3: But I look forward to a close ball game, a
27:51
Speaker 3: good football game. Yeah, they know each other pretty well.
27:55
Speaker 3: They played close games with each other. And their quarterback,
28:01
Speaker 3: their quarterback Stafford, even though I don't think he played,
28:04
Speaker 3: he didn't throw the ball great against the Bears the
28:09
Speaker 3: whole game. I thought he'd missed him throws. But you
28:12
Speaker 3: know they're a good team, and so no, I don't
28:14
Speaker 3: think it's going to affect him. I think they'll come
28:16
Speaker 3: in and it's an exciting It'll be an exciting, exciting
28:20
Speaker 3: night for him.
28:21
Speaker 7: Mike, there's room for some adjustments. I'll just say one.
28:26
Speaker 7: Pooka Nikua had two hundred and twenty five yards and
28:29
Speaker 7: two touchdowns in that game. Hard for meat in vision
28:33
Speaker 7: if that number repeats, hard for me to envision Seattle
28:36
Speaker 7: to win that game. The biggest completion that Nikoua had
28:41
Speaker 7: in that game was fifty eight yards and it was
28:44
Speaker 7: on a zone pressure that here there was a two
28:51
Speaker 7: y two formation and Stafford to his left. He had
28:55
Speaker 7: a tight end in the slot who was getting jammed
28:57
Speaker 7: by em and Worry and then had a safety over
29:00
Speaker 7: the top of him. So you jam the tight end,
29:03
Speaker 7: but over on Nakua's side from this right slot, he
29:07
Speaker 7: had free access and he nods to the corner and
29:11
Speaker 7: then to the post against Kobe Bryant, and I just
29:15
Speaker 7: think that match up a if you're gonna if you're
29:18
Speaker 7: gonna redirect somebody at the slot, don't redirect the rookie
29:23
Speaker 7: tight end, Redirect Pooka Nakula and then you know, and
29:27
Speaker 7: don't leave Kobe Bryant in a one on one situation
29:30
Speaker 7: like that. So I think there's there's gonna be plays
29:32
Speaker 7: where Mike McDonald looks and he says, you know, I'm
29:35
Speaker 7: asking guys to do stuff that I shouldn't ask them
29:39
Speaker 7: to do. I'm certain he's gonna make adjustments. That might
29:42
Speaker 7: be one of them, right, But what kind of adjustments
29:44
Speaker 7: do you expect?
29:45
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you said very well that their team
29:49
Speaker 3: in nikua is is such an important part of their offense.
29:53
Speaker 3: He is really good, I mean what, He's really a
29:56
Speaker 3: good receiver and Stafford knows that. And you know, even
30:01
Speaker 3: they mentioned it in the game that he would place
30:03
Speaker 3: him certain things and point to him and saying, I'm
30:07
Speaker 3: gonna throw it to you. That's that's what they interpreted
30:10
Speaker 3: that as. So, but then they're running. You know, the
30:14
Speaker 3: Rams are solid, and I think they're they're they're if
30:17
Speaker 3: they're healthy. I don't know if if they got out
30:20
Speaker 3: of that came healthy. I know when I was watching
30:22
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30:27
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30:32
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30:35
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30:39
Speaker 3: it was bad. Yeah, you know, and so uh, fortunately
30:43
Speaker 3: they'll come out here and the weather will be good.
30:45
Speaker 3: And I just think if no one got hurt, if
30:48
Speaker 3: no one got hurt, I think they're going to be okay.
30:50
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Speaker 2: after a forty one to six win over the forty
32:29
Speaker 2: nine ers on Saturday, Bucky, what do you got for coach?
32:33
Speaker 6: I mean, I know you well enough to know you
32:35
Speaker 6: like points, you like scoring. But I am curious if
32:39
Speaker 6: you're hypothetically you're playing against division foe in a NFC
32:43
Speaker 6: championship game, where even in the divisional game like we
32:46
Speaker 6: just had on Saturday, do you enjoy more games that
32:51
Speaker 6: are close and every single play matters and even against
32:56
Speaker 6: a division foe, Or do you like when where everything
33:00
Speaker 6: you've touched, every part of your coaching is working well
33:03
Speaker 6: and you blow somebody out.
33:05
Speaker 3: As a coach, I would prefer the blowout. Okay, I
33:09
Speaker 3: would prefer the blowout, which means, which is every call
33:13
Speaker 3: I made was a good call, perfect y, you know defense.
33:16
Speaker 3: I told you this before. I rarely made mistakes. Rarely,
33:19
Speaker 3: I don't remember. That's the type of game I would prefer. Yeah,
33:25
Speaker 3: you want that one. You don't have to worry at all,
33:26
Speaker 3: and to turn to the idea.
33:29
Speaker 6: But the idea of having one where basically every play
33:32
Speaker 6: meant so much and you made all the right calls
33:35
Speaker 6: at the crucial times and you win. You're like, I
33:38
Speaker 6: was pretty long as you win, and if you win
33:41
Speaker 6: those games, is it better than a blowout?
33:45
Speaker 3: That was the time, Yeah, I win. We won a
33:47
Speaker 3: close game against the Rams like that. That was the
33:50
Speaker 3: time that I came in the locker room. I was
33:52
Speaker 3: the last one in there, mister Allen, Paul Allen was there,
33:55
Speaker 3: and I was so excited and I'm so happy. I
33:59
Speaker 3: grabbed him, start shaking him, and he and his Navy
34:03
Speaker 3: Seals team that he went around with them. They almost
34:06
Speaker 3: jumped me. They're almost jumping. And then I shook him
34:10
Speaker 3: and I see that his face it just went white,
34:13
Speaker 3: and I'm sorry, and I started patting him, you know,
34:18
Speaker 3: patting the editor where and all of a sudden he
34:20
Speaker 3: got what I was doing, he didn't understand it, and
34:23
Speaker 3: he gave me a noogie. Whoop he hit me.
34:26
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's great.
34:31
Speaker 2: When you shook him, did money just fall out of
34:33
Speaker 2: his pockets and stuff like that?
34:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that's what I picture.
34:37
Speaker 3: So I answer your question both those things, Buckets, just
34:40
Speaker 3: as long as you win.
34:41
Speaker 5: Uh yeah.
34:42
Speaker 2: How many games did you have afterwards where you lost
34:44
Speaker 2: and everybody just said you made all the right calls? Yeah,
34:47
Speaker 2: all the right call yeah, questions and then all the
34:51
Speaker 2: right calls.
34:51
Speaker 3: Oh, I had a lot of folks against me, a
34:53
Speaker 3: lot of folks.
34:55
Speaker 7: Mike, you can win every hand against Bucky because you've
34:58
Speaker 7: always got that card in your leave, which is fifty
35:02
Speaker 7: five to ten in a Super Bowl against them, the
35:04
Speaker 7: Broncos number one ranked defense in the NFL.
35:08
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, you just just.
35:11
Speaker 3: Reminding him, Hey, remind you.
35:12
Speaker 4: We's got to go to card. If he needs to
35:14
Speaker 4: play it.
35:14
Speaker 3: Be careful because I'm in the room with Bucket. You're
35:17
Speaker 3: you're a million miles away.
35:19
Speaker 2: Fair enough here, what's your last thing for coach here?
35:23
Speaker 7: Well, you know this is obviously very subjective, but for me,
35:27
Speaker 7: what is emerging as the number one human interest story
35:31
Speaker 7: in the sporting world. Is Josh Allen and what will
35:36
Speaker 7: this great player ever.
35:38
Speaker 5: Make the Super Bowl?
35:39
Speaker 4: Will he ever win one?
35:42
Speaker 7: And the latest chapter in that was you know what
35:45
Speaker 7: transpired against the Broncos and then Sean McDermott loses his
35:48
Speaker 7: job today. So just your thoughts on Alan the weekend,
35:54
Speaker 7: Alan the player, Alan the career.
35:57
Speaker 8: Uh.
35:57
Speaker 4: Now Alan uh with a new coach for the year.
36:00
Speaker 4: What have you done that if you were.
36:03
Speaker 7: The owner of the Bills or if you were in
36:07
Speaker 7: the president position and charged with making that decision. Just
36:10
Speaker 7: kind of your thoughts on everything that's transpired in that regard.
36:13
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't find out about that until I came
36:16
Speaker 3: in this morning and Bucky told me about it. I
36:18
Speaker 3: I really like Sean McDermott and and I think it's
36:22
Speaker 3: I think it's a sad day really for a lot
36:25
Speaker 3: of reasons. One, it's just he's a good coach and
36:28
Speaker 3: he's done a really good job there. The feeling is
36:33
Speaker 3: he have that quarterback, Josh Allen, and you should win
36:36
Speaker 3: super Bowls. You should you know, do stuff. But they're
36:39
Speaker 3: always there. And I would contend, I would say after
36:43
Speaker 3: watching that game, that Josh Allen made some big mistakes
36:49
Speaker 3: in that game that cost him the football game. He disagree.
36:52
Speaker 3: He always does some great things. He always his throw
36:56
Speaker 3: for the touchdown, it was a remarkable throw. I mean,
36:58
Speaker 3: it really does some great things. But he also does
37:01
Speaker 3: some things that that allow another team to beat you
37:07
Speaker 3: that that shouldn't beat you. And it reminded me a
37:10
Speaker 3: little when Brett was far. I was younger, and I
37:14
Speaker 3: had him, and and he'd do wonderful things and then
37:16
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, oh no, don't do that. And
37:19
Speaker 3: and but Josh Allen now has played long enough, in
37:23
Speaker 3: my opinion, to control that just a little bit better.
37:27
Speaker 3: So no, I'm against the firing of the coach. I
37:29
Speaker 3: really am you.
37:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that the first time, Damien Wood he
37:33
Speaker 2: said this afterwards on the network. He said, that's the
37:38
Speaker 2: first time Josh Allen has actually played great in the postseason.
37:42
Speaker 2: I think he was terrible in his very first postseason
37:44
Speaker 2: game he ever played, and he was just dreadful. Uh,
37:47
Speaker 2: And that got in people's heads. But ever since that time,
37:49
Speaker 2: he's been great. They just haven't won for various reasons
37:53
Speaker 2: this this time around, and it's gonna be tough for him.
37:56
Speaker 5: He said, it's gonna take a while for him to
37:57
Speaker 5: get over this.
37:58
Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, it's you're gonna have to win one of
38:01
Speaker 2: these big games, even if you have to put on
38:02
Speaker 2: the cape and do it yourself. Because this game he
38:06
Speaker 2: was kind of responsible for this loss.
38:08
Speaker 5: I think he was.
38:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's listen, he's a great player and you'd
38:11
Speaker 3: love to have him as your quarterback. Yeah, and they're
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Speaker 3: they're fortunate. They'll be good as long as he's there,
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Speaker 3: gonna they're gonna be good. So whoever comes in as
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Speaker 3: the next head coach is gonna benefit from that. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well all right, well I think that's where we will
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Speaker 2: call it a day here. So amazing work. As always.
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Speaker 2: We got a heck of a week ahead of us
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Speaker 2: uh previewing the NFC Conference Championship game. And then a
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Speaker 2: week from now, a week from now, coach, we're gonna
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Speaker 2: know if the Seahawks are going.
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Speaker 5: To the Super Bowl. How about that?
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Speaker 2: And that's right here, we're gonna be sitting here one
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Speaker 2: week from today.
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Speaker 3: And well, no, pretty exciting stuff.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, thank you, Hugh, appreciate you bet, thank you,
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