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Johnny Luna Lima | The Art of Mountain Running and Training Excellence · The Steep Stuff Podcast

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: What's up guys?
• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Steep Stuff Podcast.
• 0:02
  Speaker 1: I'm your host, james Lauriello, and today we've got a really fun one.
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: We're going to jump right into.
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: None other than the pride of Boulder, colorado, mr Johnny Luna Lima, joins the podcast.
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: The North Face athlete comes on to talk all about his plans for 2025, as well as his outstanding season and seasons, I should say, in 2023 and 2024, taking the dub in 2023 at the 28K and then running a top five place in 2024.
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: Arguably the hardest mountain race in the country.
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: Johnny absolutely earns the moniker of one of the best mountain runners in the country, as well as arguably one of the best technical downhills in the country too, which is pretty badass.
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: We talk about all kinds of fun things.
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: We really get into process.
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: Johnny is a very process-oriented guy.
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: We talk about time in the gym.
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: We talk about how he approaches the game and approaches the game like a consummate professional he is.
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: We talk about diet.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: We talk about a lot of things, even his OCC career, which was a lot of fun.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a blast, one of my favorite podcasts.
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I just love the process aspect of it and just learning how Johnny ticks and just how he approaches everything like a professional.
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to stop mumbling, I'm going to get to it.
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: Guys, I hope you enjoyed this one.
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: None other than Johnny Lunalima.
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: It's time.
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: We are live.
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: Johnny Lunalima.
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Steep Stuff Podcast.
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: My friend, how are you?
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: I'm good Thanks for having me.
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, how's your day going?
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: It's good, it's good.
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: Woke up, slept in a bit, went for a little run and scramble and then got a coffee and then had lunch and now I'm here.
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: Really, dude.
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: What a nice relaxing day.
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: Dude.
• 2:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been good.
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: Well, dude, congratulations.
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: I know it was just like.
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: I know north face had just announced it.
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: Um, for officially, I guess officially being on the north face team which is freaking really cool yeah so congrats to that.
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: It's awesome it's kind of lined up perfectly with, uh, with the podcast, yeah definitely no, I'm psyched.
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: Uh, north face definitely has felt like a home for me this year.
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: Um, like, every time I hang out with the people there, like I leave like feeling stoked and like inspired to like keep growing as a mountain athlete and trail runner and all that.
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: So I feel like that's a good sign.
• 3:13
  Speaker 2: Whenever you're working with the company, you know, it's like I feel like when you hang out with them, you want to leave with good vibes rather than the opposite.
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah, hell, yeah, yeah.
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: So yeah, hell, yeah, take it.
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah Right on man.
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: So dude, who's Johnny Luna Lima?
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: Uh, good question.
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's a ever evolving um thing.
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: Um, just cause that's what humans do.
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: Uh, but I guess, like Johnny Luna Lima, right now, um is a curious trail running, trail runner and mountain athlete.
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: Um, but like also psyched on connecting with new people, like people I already know, and um just exploring just all sorts of interests parallel to running and climbing and um hanging out with my friends and family, yeah.
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: How did you get into the sport?
• 4:12
  Speaker 2: Um, so I guess, growing up, my dad was like always a big runner, marathoner, so then I'd uh, I'd hop into just like the local 5k or or like whatever race he was doing, but the shorter version.
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: But like, all growing up, like I played soccer and that was like my thing, like I was like oh yeah, like doesn't matter, I'm gonna be a pro soccer player.
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: So like, yeah, that this is what I do.
• 4:38
  Speaker 2: But then I turned like 18 and then I got really burnt out from soccer, which was real heartbreaking.
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: But I just, I don't know, something in me was like fuck, I just can't do this anymore.
• 4:53
  Speaker 2: It's just, it's not allowing me to be the best version of myself, I think, which is really too bad, because at the end of the day, it's just a game.
• 5:02
  Speaker 2: And I feel like if I would have treated it like a game, like things could have gone really differently.
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: Um, but then, yeah, I don't remember I was 18 or 19, but like, like, shortly after deciding to stop playing, I saw Spartan races on TV and I was like, oh shit, like this is wild, like I think I could do this stuff, like I just didn't know why, but like I thought I could do this stuff.
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: Like well, for some reason, um, and then, yeah, a couple months later I was doing my first Spartan race in Las Vegas, um, and that kind of spiraled.
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: I did that for a couple of years and then just training for like their, their world championships and like at the time they had a lot of races in the mountains, I like got into you ultimately, like get into like lots of running, because if you want to do obstacle course racing, well, you've got to be able to run, because most of the race is running in between obstacles.
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: So then, like I was spending a lot of time on trails at the time in the East Bay of California.
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: Lots of time I'm at Diablo and Truckee, tahoe area, um, and just like I guess that slowly grew into like a passion for trail running and moving through mountains in general.
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: Um, and like, slowly I discovered, like Skyrunner series, um, uh, discovered this dude named killing journey.
• 6:26
  Speaker 2: That guy got super psyched and I was like it was.
• 6:29
  Speaker 2: It's funny Cause, like when I first, like when you, I don't know, at the time I was like 20, 21, I was like who is this guy Like?
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: Why is everyone makes such a big deal of this?
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: Like dude, and like at the time Estrava wasn't like Estrava was completely public and like I would see these like runs.
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: They're like six miles of 4,000 feet.
• 6:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like this doesn't make sense, like it's so slow, it's like 12 minute miles or whatever.
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: And then like I don't know, uh, and then, like as you learn, you're like, oh shit, like this is the guy.
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess that's kind of how I got into trail running.
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: Um, and I guess what keeps me in trail running is like the just curiosity of what my potential is.
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: Um, and uh, just like the simplicity of it, like it's it can be super fun, like super social, and just like the way it allows me to explore mountains and, uh, just be in them.
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: And yeah, just like follow the stoke, really yeah.
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: What, uh, what positions you played soccer.
• 7:28
  Speaker 2: I was a wingback.
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, left or right side, I was left, yeah.
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: I played soccer a lot, I mean like all the way up until college, and I broke an ankle and didn't do it anymore.
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was, I loved soccer.
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: I grew up in South Florida where, like soccer, culture is heavy.
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah, what's your team?
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: Are you a Brazil fan?
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah no a Brazil fan.
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: I like getting my heart broken every couple of years.
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: Fair, fair enough.
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, brazil fan, but I guess in Europe, like I grew up in Germany, so I'm a big, like I grew up in Munich, so like big Bayern fan when, when they're rolling, it's always fun and they I feel like they get gold, good roles pretty consistently.
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair.
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: Uh, always enjoy Barcelona.
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: Um, but yeah, I'd say those are my European teams.
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: So you grew up in Germany.
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: What was that experience like?
• 8:21
  Speaker 2: It was great.
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: I highly recommend it.
• 8:23
  Speaker 2: Like, if anyone's raising their children in the U S like, try going to Germany for it.
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: Were you a military brat or no, no, my dad had a uh uh, just a tech company that was expanding.
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: So then we ended up in Germany, like from, like I was.
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: I was four years old when we moved there and then stayed until I was 10.
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: And it's like, I guess, like that like picturesque, uh, childhood like you kind of like see on tv or like read in books, like where, like the homies just mob around on their bikes, like when they're in like I don't know first, second grade you know it's just like really it was.
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: It was really cool.
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: You know, like, um, it's like a really safe area.
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: So, like growing up we would like get up, get off school or on the weekend, just uh, you'd ride your bike to your friend's house and then, like, scoop up that friend, go to the next friend's house and then, like we had a bunch of lakes nearby so we'd hang out the lakes, ride our bikes, play lots of soccer, you know.
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: So like I have, yeah, really fortunate, really good memories picturesque childhood.
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's dope dude.
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, can you speak german?
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: yeah, really yeah, oh it's so cool damn dude yeah, so, wow so germany.
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: And then what'd you do your formative years in in america then, or?
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: uh, yeah, yeah, I guess.
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: So, like I did.
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: So I guess may as well start from the beginning.
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: Um, I was born in brazil and then when I was like two, we moved to the us for two years and then from four to ten I was in germany and then, like right around middle school, we moved back to the us.
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: I did middle school in the us and then did like two and a half years or so in brazil of high school and then my senior year I came to to the U S just to make sure I could like go to the college here and like make that really smooth transition.
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: And then I've been in the U S since.
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: Wow, yeah.
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: How did you, how did you get end up in Boulder?
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: In Boulder.
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: Uh, I graduated college and at the time I was doing obstacle course racing and like I had a couple of friends living out here and I was like, ah, may as well go to Boulder.
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: And like I had no idea like how good like the stuff was here, like the climbing, scrambling and trail running in general, but like I was just moving here because like I had friends that like trained out here and like I figured, oh, it'd be cool to just have people to do stuff with.
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: But like it was never really like, I never saw it as this, like mecca for like mountain movement.
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: Um, and then like the longer I've been here, I was like, oh shit, this place is good.
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, it's fair uh yeah, so that's how I moved to boulder is all because of obstacle course racing.
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: So I know you want to speak.
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: You speak highly of Killian Jornet, but like I would even say, dude, like your Strava is a great follow, like you do some wild shit, like it's amazing.
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: I'm in Colorado Springs and like we don't have a lot of scrambling options, if you will Like the incline for hiking and stuff or run, slash, hike and strength and stuff like that.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: But like I for run, slash, hike and strength and stuff like that, but like I don't know, like all the wild scramble shit you do is like really inspiring and super I would.
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if you want more strava followers, but go follow johnny on strava dude, what inspired what inspired that like?
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: um, yeah, I mean like scrambling has always been something scrambling and just mountain movement has always been something that like is really like the foundation of like my curiosity for many years, like even when I was obstacle course racing.
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: But I guess like the biggest limiting factor to like really diving into it sooner was like the want and need to like really do well in like certain races and like try to develop as a runner.
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: Um, but then, like I don't know, I feel like last year or like maybe in the year before, like I was like slowly building up all this, like pent up, like oh my freaking god, I need to learn how to do this stuff, or else like I'm never gonna be able to live with myself.
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: Um, so like I guess that's like part of, I guess that's like a really weird inspiration, but like um more just the curiosity, like I don't know.
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: Like I always like I'd see videos of people like just doing this stuff and I'd be like damn, that looks like really cool.
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: Um, and then, like as soon as like I started doing it, like it kind of just like felt really playful and fun, um, and it's just like kind of just like kept the ball rolling from there.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: You know, like I feel like every time I scramble, um, the it's always like a ends up being a pretty solid, happy vibe.
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: Um, like, of course, like like anything else, you do a lot like there are days that are less good and euphoric than others, you know, but that's just part of doing something a lot, um, but like now, it's just like I'm happy that it's like part of my process, you know, and it's like part of, like the athlete I'm becoming and I feel like there's no going back.
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I love it and the style is just awesome.
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, now you train with CTS right as your coaches.
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I train with Jason Coop.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: You're a Coop.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, now, what do you guys do?
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: Is it more like heart rate based Like?
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: Are you more like no it's all RPE based Um.
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: but like we do fluctuate between like various intensities, like I guess VO two like threshold, like threshold, work um steady state and easy running, endurance running and like recovery days yeah, so typical typical stuff it's interesting.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: How do you, how long have you been working with?
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: coop um.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: I linked with him like I first met him end of 2021 and then we officially started working together beginning of 22 okay, so that was that was before your like.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: The reason I say that is because you had this breakthrough in 23 at the rut, where you won the 28k yeah which was we'll talk about that in a little bit which is amazing performance.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: But I was just curious because it's uh, you know, to build up to that and get to that level is just amazing.
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: So yeah what was that like winning the 28k, I mean, it's like life changing for you, or um, uh, no, I guess, like I hesitate, like it's awesome, of course, like the run, the rut is like one of like the us test pieces in mountain running, you know, I feel like we only have a couple and like that's the right.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: Like one of the races yeah, like I feel really grateful and fortunate and like I've been at the rut like four times and like the rut definitely feels like home.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like uh, like it's a, it's a really cool course.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: Like I consider it like a really sexy course as far as courses go, um, so yeah, no, I, it's like it's definitely like etched into into my memory as like a really happy day, um, and like, uh, like, almost like like hey, like there is, there can be room for me in this sport if I want it, but like I gotta grind and work hard.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: You know, like I feel, feel like it's maybe like the.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: It was like the closing point of a chapter, but opening of a new one.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Let's put it that way.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I would describe it as.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Interesting man.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just can remember it Like I fall in support very close.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll be at the rut next year.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: I was going to go this year to go do the vk and I did the cirque series all summer.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: I was tired out, but yeah, dude, I don't know, I just thought it was an amazing performance and what a cool race like yeah, I know there's only so there's not that many things, if any, in the lower 48 that have anything like that.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: It's very unique.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: I feel like alaska has a couple of hidden gems.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, um, but they're a different animal what do you think of meet the minotaur?
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: I haven't been out there yet the minotaur, it's wild yeah it's sick.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Uh, I highly recommend, like, if you enjoy moving through mountains, like it's by no means like I hesitate to call it a mountain running race, because it's like so much mountain movement, like there's so much, like it'll be flat, but like you're not running, you're like traversing um, like rugged terrain, like um, like if I were to compare the rut and minotaur minotaur is so much more technical really step for step.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can run the rut technically like there's a lot of running.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the rut is like a true jack-of-all.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Um, uh, technical skill set, um, in a way, you know like you need to be, like ready to like I guess, like well versed and be able to hike, well, you know, and then like it's not downhill running, it's descending, it's like you're not you're.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: It's a different movement pattern than you would encounter, like a broken arrow sky race or like a run the rut.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: You know, um, run the rut has like two significant, like solidly technical sections, but meet the minotaur is like a different animal.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: You have that, like, I guess you, in that race.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: You have like four major climbs and descents and like all four of those are just as technical or more technical than the rut yeah, how do you?
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: this is interesting to me because you, you seem very structured with the way you break down a race.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Like you, you know exactly what's coming and you, you and you seem very like you know how to prepare for these things in a lot of ways.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Are you a very specific, very specific trainer, if you will Like?
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Do you do a lot of specificity in your training to get ready for these things?
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: well, like, do you do a lot of specificity in your training to get ready for these things?
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, yeah, definitely like, uh, I'd say, like my prep for minotaur was, um, well, I guess, like there's, there's like um, different angles of specificity.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a physiological specificity, like what is the physiology that my body needs to put out on race day to be successful, and then there's like the specificity of terrain, you know.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: So then, like, uh, like the physiology itself, like I like leave to coop, you know, and like we, obviously I talk about it, you know like meet the Minotaurs like around a four hour race and that's um, yeah, um, I feel like it demands.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: It's like a interesting mix of like lots of steady state and thresholdy running, whereas the rut is a lot more like threshold and like you need to be ready to like, feel like you're revving really hot in points.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: So there is slightly different.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: But then, uh, but yeah, to answer your question, like I do get like kind of pretty specific in the weeds, especially with like making sure like I have the movement patterns dialed that I'm going to be using in that race.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting the reason I say this, cause it's like something.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: So Eli and Tabor are my coaches, yeah, so this is something like I feel like I yes, I leave the physiology like the, the pyramid, if you will like, if you will like the training the pyramid up to up to them but it's the specificity part that it's up to me on how specific I want to do you communicate?
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: that with coop, like yeah, like all right, I'm.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: This is the like as you get closer to the race, you're getting more specific on what you're doing.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then definitely else further out, it's more base stuff yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Um, no, I definitely communicate that with coop.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Just because, like, at first it'd be kind of weird training for a race like Minotaur where it's like, okay, I need to be able to hike really hard.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: So then, like I don't know, your coach will give you a workout like I don't know, like something like 4x8 tempo, 4x10, whatever, and then you got to be race specific and that requires hiking.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: So then then, like at first, like I would text him be like yo, like this race is really steep, like is it okay if these are hiking, and then he'd be like, yes, please do them hiking.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: So like you're ready to hike you know, um, so yeah.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: So then, like I guess, like preparing for something like the minotaur, where it's a lot of hiking, like I would like on my intensity days, like I would replicate like the intensity, um, like the terrain that I would be like hitting that intensity at, so like if it was power hiking, like I just find like really steep grades in boulder and just like learn how to mash up them yeah you know um, but then also like replicate like the elevation profile, um the grades and stuff like that in your long run, you know, and just be like really thoughtful with movements and stuff like that.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Interesting.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Your peers regard you as one.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I've heard from a lot of people you are one of the best technical downhillers in the country, if not the world, which is pretty cool.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Uh, dude, what the hell do you do for like technical descending?
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Uh, dude, what the hell do you do for?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: like technical descending, Uh cause?
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I've heard this out of Eli before, like even on his YouTube video he's talked about, like how, like nasty you are at downhill.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Thanks, eli.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Um, I don't know.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Uh, I guess, like it's always something that came natural to me.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: It's funny Cause, like when I did a obstacle course racing, like like I was out in like a training camp with friends and then, like we just like ripped this downhill and then I was like, and then I was like, oh, we're like like, oh, nobody came with me, Like and like I like it's something.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I guess, uh, and like I like it's something.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, it's always come natural to me.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: But I guess, like, after like I discovered I was good at downhill, like I started like, yeah, like leaning into it more and like figuring out like, ok, how hard can I push this thing?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Like, where are my like technical thresholds if, like we're, we want to put a word on it, you know?
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: And then you just start leaning into it more and and, yeah, but I guess, like I like right now I don't do anything specific for it, but like when I was first like discovering it, like I'll just like, let it rip, like often, and just figure out exactly where I was out on different terrain and stuff like that, and just got really comfortable with it.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Um, I guess, like when I think back to like years ago, like when I would do like a lot of heart rate training, like I don't know.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I would just like if I was like out in the long run, I would try to like keep my heart rate like at a certain number on downhills, which can be like weirdly challenging.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: You know, like it forces you to like really uh, get moving.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Um, but yeah, like that's one of the things like I did for a couple of years.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Um, but like now it's just hard to do that.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Just cause, like at the time, like when I was doing that, like I wasn't running very like like many hours in a week, so like I could recover from it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: But like now when I think back, like I did have like more injuries than I would have liked, I think maybe partly because of the downhill or because, like you're in college and like binge drinking all the time and stuff.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: so hard to recover from that so one or the other, I don't know.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Um, but like I guess, like now, like going into races, um, like I have like a kind of like a vague idea of like how fast like the downhills need to be run.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: So then, like just going into that race, like I'll hit like a couple of downhills at that race speed and like see how it feels and whatnot, um, but like I don't necessarily like do anything, like consistently on a weekly basis to like really try and improve, improve that, just because, like most races, like even something really technical, like meet the Minotaur, it is your climbing legs that will win today.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: And I feel like your downhill legs can seal the deal, you know, but like your climbing legs will bring you to the, I guess, uh, to the point that you can really like get you to hatch it, you know?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I like I focus more on the climbing, but like I don't know, every now and then it's I do enjoy, like letting a downhill rip.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: It is fun, man yeah.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: No, there are a couple in Boulder that I'm like Ooh, this one's particularly like.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I want to say you got to be mindful on this one.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: So like, yeah, it's cool to Consequence.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, consequential maybe, but like there's some like that, like you need to like really be able to move with the terrain rather than just like completely letting it rip from, like a try hard perspective, but it's like more of a like like a float with the train, which is really cool, yeah, yeah.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't really gotten on too many of the Boulder trails, man.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I still haven't even done green.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, you got to.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it, it's like a special little thing.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I looked out the window.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, no green's cool.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Uh, I spent a lot of time on green Um.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: There's like so many different ways up and like it can be like really technical and like demanding um or flowy Um, but yeah, like it's definitely one of the better training pieces in Boulder, I would say one of the things I picked up on your Strava.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: This was like a while back, this is like beginning of this is like this time last year.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I noticed that you I think it was you and Bailey were going on the incline a bunch or're coming down the springs yeah, yeah, no, definitely, uh, I enjoy the incline a lot.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I think, it's, it's, uh like for me one of like yeah, like I said before, like I'm working on my climbing a lot, um, and like the incline's, like one of those just like pure engine test pieces that, like you have to like be able to run steep grades but also like hike steep grades really well yeah you have that middle section with like steps that are like up to your hip so hard like like I'm not convinced.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Remy ran those dude, I feel the same way like I'm like he definitely hiked at least 50 steps in there how tall are you?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I'm 5'8 all right, so you're a little bit taller than me.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like 5'6.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: On a good day with shoes dude I was on the incline last night and I thought the same thing.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like how the hell like you got to be like six two to be able to just step up on those yeah, I don't know, but like yeah, no, I really like the incline um.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: It's just like this honest test piece, you know it is like the only thing that can change on it is weather.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Like, even if it is like a sheet of ice, like just throw some spikes on and like I feel like conditions like are pretty consistent on it.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, um, and like it's a good thing for mountain athletes, just because, like you have to be able to ascend and like whether you're like a really good hiker or a really good runner, like because I feel like vertical speed comes from like a being a really good hiker or like a really good runner, and then you kind of combine the two and like the incline it just offers both of those you know.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: And it's like people listening might be like what the fuck?
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Like incline is not runnable.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: It's like no, I'm talking about ascending certain sections you can, yeah, yeah.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Going uphill, like, for example, like Andy Wacker has a really good, a pure runner, like he'll prepare for zagama by running at the boulder res, you know, yeah, um, so I feel like the incline is really interesting and like I definitely want to go out there more, but like sometimes it's hard to justify going out there, it's far dude for you, yeah well, it's far um and like I just enjoy scrambling so much and I'm like I could just like punch it up the second flat iron today instead yeah, and get similar, probably similar, similars yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd say so it's a pretty similar burn yeah, yeah, do you know?
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: you know, nick tusa is a buddy of mine yeah, yeah yeah, nick's a great guy but like dude, he he's interesting to me because I know he I don't know he does the flat irons a lot.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: He does green all the time, but like I feel like that flat iron strength he has, like when I, when I go run with him, like on the incline and stuff like that, like he's a freak on some of these things.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: So I feel like that stuff translates very well for you.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, older people?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: No, definitely, definitely.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Like I have a couple of buddies that are like flat iron specialists and then like, when it's time to hike, I'm like shit, this guy can move.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know some mountain going uphill in particular, something really steep where you could either run or hike.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like the scrambling really helps with that.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a cool thing to have.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: So you were telling me before the pod, you're getting ready for a race in Thailand.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Right yeah, are you stoked for that?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm excited, I'm excited.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doing the UTMB 50K in Chiang Mai.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Should be fun.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to punch a ticket to OCC and Thailand just seems like a fun place to explore.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm super excited.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Techie hot trails.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: What are you doing for heat training?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Are you in the sauna at all?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the sauna, I'm in the sauna at all.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Or, yeah, I'm in the sauna, yeah, I'm in the sauna, but I'm getting there early enough that, like I feel like the last like 20 30 percent of heat training will just happen by being there.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Um, but like a little bit of a luck, it'll be cooler and maybe like just a little bit of rain.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: That'd be sweet, hell yeah so much humidity, but I guess you're you're probably fine with that.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I hope so it'll take a lot of hydrating and fueling, but we'll get through it I just got back from hawaii man and I was astounded by the humidity.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, with the heat, oh yeah, this is a real gut punch.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: This is wild.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: This is not colorado I'd much rather take like 10 000 feet and warm than like sea level and just like hot humidity.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Oh dude, it's rough yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: The week, yeah, yeah.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: So what are you getting?
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: So you got ready for this.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Race is December, probably have a little bit of a layoff.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: for 2025?
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, that's a big question for everyone right now.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: You know like it's like, uh, right now I'm leaning towards trying to do like qualify for worlds and then go, hopefully the worlds, that's right.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: And go to OCC.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: So those are my like, I guess three big targets, because I feel like qualifying for worlds at Broken Arrow will be like you just need to be really sharp on that day.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: And then worlds in the OCC speak for themselves.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: They're, yeah, queen bees you know, I agree, I agree yeah, but then, like, outside of those I don't know, um, there are some races that really pique my interest.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I'd like to go back to Minotaur.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I feel like I could improve my time by a lot there.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Um, so that'd be a fun, just like personal project type of deal, um, but then just like keep increasing my comfort in mountains, really.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Uh, there's a couple of routes on Longs Peak that I want to get comfortable on and that can I feel like we'll just open the door for like other ideas I have in the mountains.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Um, but just, yeah, I, that's, I I'd say those are like the things that really inspire me right now.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Um, get more just like real rock climbing into, uh, just to like increase my bandwidth of stuff I can do in the mountains.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Um, I guess like one of the things that like frustrates me about me is like not having the skills to do certain things in the mountains.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like I love doing all this stuff, but like I feel like I need more and better skills to be able to do more of it.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: You know, and it's just one of those things.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like going to school, like you just got to sit down, learn the systems, go out and like slowly practice them.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: So like I think, yeah, next year that'll be a big focus of mine, just like going out, starting small and slowly building on those mountain systems, but like also like in parallel, like just getting really fit for these races.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there are a couple more races that I have my eye on, but it's just tricky with, like, all the travel and, yeah, the world's qualifying and stuff you know.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: But we'll see.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: We'll see how everything shapes out.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: What do you think about broken arrow?
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: It's the.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: You'll probably go through the 46 K, is that?
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah 46 K.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, it's a good qualifier.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's the bare minimum qualifier that will be required to run in Canfrank.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: It seems like the world's course is going to be closer to the technicality of like a I don't want to call it like a really technical sky race because, but like it will be closer to the technicality of something like the rut.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: But I think, step for step it will be more technical than the rut, you know, and I don't know if, like, the most technical section of the world's course will be more technical than the rut.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: You know, but, and I don't know if, like, the most technical section of the world's course will be more technical than the most technical section of the rut.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: You know, right, and I feel like broken arrow.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: It gives you the altitude which you'll have at worlds, but it doesn't give you the terrain.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Um, which is a bummer which is a bummer.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like that could shake up the field a bit, you know.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: But I feel like mountain running is at the point that, like, if you are a really good climber and have good durability and don't fade, that weighs into like qualification a lot more than like having like a really niche skill, you know.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like hopefully um, that like climbing skill or whoever qualifies um is ready for the technicality that might come at worlds, yeah, yeah.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: It's interesting you say that Cause, like I know, I just had Tom um Tom Hooper on the podcast pretty recently.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: It's the soon to P race director and he's got a lot to do with the world's selection and things like that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and one of the things that he kind of addressed was how and I would almost say this for broken arrow, because you bring up the point like the non-technicality of broken arrow- it's a it's a fast course, it's a speedy fast course speedy course and he kind of brought the same thing up for uh like the long course that's going to be taking place at gorge and how a lot of people kind of were a little I wouldn't say pissed, but they had things to say about it.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: They had strong, strong opinions.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Um, and, as someone that's such a skilled technical runner, it's going to be interesting to see how you match up with, like your, your brian whiffields of the world, right, who's going to be going for something like that or other, like speedy dudes that are very good on non-technical terrain.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: So it's going to be cool to see that world clash.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, it shakes out from that.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, no, I mean, I've been working on my climbing, like I think I'll be fitter than ever when the day comes around, and uh, yeah, I think there's just enough technicality on the descending that it will make a difference for me.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Um, but like, we'll see, uh like.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know, eli is like a perfectly confident descender, you know, and like a lot of the other guys out there are also, you know, um, so like, like I said, like you're going to have to be really sharp and like for me it'll have to be like a very good day to to qualify.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I think it's possible.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Oh dude, a hundred percent yeah.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Um, it'll.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: It'll require a lot of me and, like the best of me, so it's a.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: It's a I'm excited for it.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I'm excited for it.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: You should be.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I'm excited for you, dude.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: It's interesting Cause I've heard, and I wonder if this takes away from the world's fields.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I've heard rumblings.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know how true this is because it hasn't been made officially yet.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: If the 23k is a world series race next year, yeah I've heard rumblings too.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Um, that would be really interesting, um, but I feel like the main heavy hitters for the 46k would still be there, like michelino and all that.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to guess it's like david sinclair um eli garrett corcoran.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Uh, michelino has a good chance um if jack kunzel decides to show up like I've heard this is another thing.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I've heard rumblings, yeah, like.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: I could see him showing up.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: It's like I feel like broken arrow.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: To me kind of seems like this big science experiment.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: You know, um, it's like a course, um, it's almost, it's not very rugged, but it's like a interesting like fitness test.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: You know, oh, yeah, so, but like I think jack kunzel has it in him to qualify just based off his jordemont um result.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, it could be really interesting.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Like there's plenty of other guys that definitely have a good chance in that course too yeah, yeah, I can't wait to see see who shows up for the ascent, like the vk course as well, because I know they changed yeah, that's a world's qualifier too, yeah, yeah yeah, it's gonna be, and if guys are gonna go back to back, which I'm sure people will- yeah, I think.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, like, I feel like that double for cam smith is like nothing you'd be like, okay, yeah, same for eli, I don't know.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Um, a lot of the golden trail people they've done like lots of stage racing, high intensity, so I feel like it's not that big of a deal.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think that having the golden trail world series race will change the fields that much, because there is very much like a dichotomy of like, okay, like I run like up to sears and all and down, right, you know, especially for like us guys, like a lot of the guys that do like sears and all and down, like they don't even go to zagama or marathon in mont blanc right too long, um, I guess.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, uh, so it'll be interesting, um, but yeah, I feel like the absolute main contenders for the 46k are still slightly different than the 23k guys.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: There are some guys that overlap really well, but I think they'll be focusing on the 46k, yeah yeah, it's gonna be interesting, man, I can't wait to see right yeah, and same with the up down as well.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Soon to p is gonna be dope and in early june, yeah, yeah, it's either way, I think it's a loop course right I think it is a loop course, yeah, two loops, or something like that yeah, I wonder.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what the world's classic course is, but I know it's steep, it's like 4 000 feet of climbing and like seven miles or eight miles.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: It's wild.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: So that would be really cool.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Pierre niaz is dope dude.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole thing is gonna be cool to see.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: You think you'll go back to the rut next year, or is that gonna be too close to OCC?
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: uh, I think it's too close to worlds, if worlds happens that's true, yeah, like if worlds doesn't happen for me, then like, yeah, I'd really like to go back to the rut.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Um, like, personally, I want to go sub three hours on that course.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I think I have it in me.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Um, it takes some.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: There's obviously development to be had.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like it's no, no secret where I'm at Um, but like, I think, like it's definitely possible in my lifetime as an athlete.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: So yeah.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: And if you, what is this?
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Four times you've done it.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Now you said yeah.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: So five times charm, charm you know, so one of the things that blew me away I see you post a lot of videos too, of being in the gym and I had just had cam on on the podcast.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: He was like he spends like four or five hours in the gym a week or something like that he's in the gym a ton.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how much time do you lift and like how much of that is a part of your training regime?
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: yeah, so I call it like lifting one and a half times a week, um, because like one once a week, it's like a properly heavy dose in the gym.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: You know where you're like really loading muscles, bones, tendons and like creating a big stimulus.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: And the other half time is like, uh, just something smaller at home, like whether it's with kettlebells or like just like accumulating time under tension, like an isometric holds or whatever.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Um, so I don't know, not four to five hours, well, I guess, if you count climbing gym time, but like that's not what we're talking about.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Do you in the climbing gym too.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, like once or twice a week, um, but like I guess proper lifting uh, maybe like three hours a week in the gym, uh, but it's like really focused, like I don't really dilly dally Like when I go hard, it's like a proper dose.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: You know, um, I just don't believe in like some of like the smaller stuff that a lot of people spend a lot of time on.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: You know just, yeah, I guess if you have like a really niche like soft tissue injury, then yeah, you got to do like some really small stuff but like for like a really robust, like uh response um to create change in your muscles and tendons, like you're better with like short and sweet and heavy, really, yeah, I think yeah.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Do you do?
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: What kind of lifts are you doing, like heavy squat, heavy deadlifts?
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: yeah, like I, I do like it varies, um.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: So it's generally like, uh, like we fluctuate between like three lifts, like over the course of like that half lift I was talking about, and then we kind of like alternate between the three of them.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Um, but then, yeah, that's like uh, it's heavy deadlifts or like some sort of like heavy plyo, whether it's like jumping off like a box and like taking the landing, or like multiple jumps off of one leg, just like creating high impact situations in a safe environment, or just like really heavy lunges of some sort.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: It's like a wide variety of stresses, you know or it's like a heavy.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: uh, what is it like press type thing, like hack squat or like a pendulum squat?
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Um all lower.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Are you doing all lower body stuff, or do you do upper body as well?
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Or is that just some?
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: upper body, like some pull-ups here and there, Um, like I guess Turkish get up is like kind of like a whole body thing, Um and like just climbing yeah.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, cause you're like.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I mean you're built kind of like I am like you're a little bit of a bigger dude from, probably from Spartan races, right From or is it just genetics?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I guess like part of it might be genetic, um, but like, uh and like honestly, like right now I do like the bare minimum upper body stuff, but like it just like doesn't leave, which is fine, like, um, I don't know John Albans, like built in a similar way and he seems to make it work just fine, oh dude, you just hung with him.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I forgot I saw that on straw.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: What the hell was that like?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, it was great.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Uh, we go way back from obstacle course racing, um, so it's always it's always fun to like cross paths, um, but like, yeah, he stayed with me in Boulder a couple of days, um, and I showed him around the flat irons and it was a blast.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we vibe pretty well together.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Um, we did a couple of link ups and like went climbing a couple of times, um, and that was, yeah, it was fun.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: What so?
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: He's like one of those like he's like a mythical figure, like to someone like me who doesn't know him right, yeah, is it like is he off the charts fit?
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Like how does that work?
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Or is he just like a like on your level?
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Like, how does that work?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: well, I mean.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: His results speak for themselves.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Right right, right, right so like I think his results put him in the off-the-chart fit place.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: You know, I think his UTMB index is like it's like right there with Jim Walmsley.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so like Is it that astounding, like when you train with him, then Like that noticeable.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I guess, like when he was here, he was basically like the focus was like to scramble and hang out together you know, but like I have seen him do training sessions like cause I visited him in Norway before that I was like okay, like what the fuck?
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Right, Right.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: That's what I was getting at.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I was like yeah, um, yeah, definitely, but like, yeah, I think he's unique in the way that he's like able to really look at the look at the race he's targeting.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Well, he's unique also in the way that he has like years of training under his belt.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: So now, like he's able to look at a race he's targeting, look at the physiology he needs to be successful at that race and then look at the physiology he has and create the training environment he needs to be successful, you know.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: So I think that's where he's better than everyone else.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: You know Um and he's like, obviously like forged himself into like a very, very competent climber.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: You know Um and like just like runner in general, but like, for many years, uh like, especially when he did sky running, um, uh like in 2019, before that, like he wasn't the best climber in the field, he was really good at descending and he would kind of just like constantly like come back at the like to the closer to the front of the race, cause at that time he wasn't like winning like every single race.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: He was like really fighting tooth and nail.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: But like, over the years, he's really developed as a climber, which is awesome to see Um.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, no, he definitely has workouts and like runs that I'm like, okay, what the fuck?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, dude.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, he's like this mythical figure, it's it's it just moving in the mountains because, like he's just so comfortable, um, like obviously, like boulder has some like really niche, like slab, uh scrambling, that he was like, oh wow, this is so different, but like he's just like so comfortable on in just like mountainous terrain, um, which is really cool to see.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, just yeah.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: It's yeah, inspiring it's yeah.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: It's cool to me because, like you're in this process of achieving this like upper, upper level of the sport, is there anything like you picked up from him?
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I can apply that.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I guess, like, the one thing that I really like about John is that he is like crazy passionate about his process, you know, and he believes in it to the core.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: And I feel like anyone out there training like, whoever you're training with, whatever your training system is like like I hesitate to say this, but like, uh, if you're like truly passionate and believe in it to the core, it'll most likely work.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: You know, um, but there are some training systems out there that are like they probably won't work because, but like, like, like within reason, like, I think John, what makes John like so strong is like that he truly like.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Over the years he's like he's developed like a really robust, like self-esteem and racing, um, but then like also in like his ability to train and like to have like fun in his training too.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Like also in like his ability to train and like to have like fun in his training too.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: So I think that's something I picked up like is just like, truly like, believe in your process and like you shouldn't be ashamed of believing in your process.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: You know, you need to have passion for your process in order to be successful.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: You know, and, like, there's no shame in that.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: You know and if, like, people are making you feel ashamed about that, then fuck them.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Like simple as that.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: It's like love that.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, if you want to hang, like you got to be passionate for what you do and like love what you do and like you can't let like I don't know people that are insecure about their process like bring you down.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you shouldn't have time for that.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: like, yeah, let me ask you this so now that you've kind of achieved this, like now you're running for tnf, like you've got, like this, this life, in this do you feel pressure at all?
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: um, I guess, like I don't necessarily feel pressure from TNF, but like I do feel like a pressure from myself to like keep working towards my potential and achieving like what I believe I can achieve.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: You know, as in like, like, just like wanting to get there quicker, you know.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: But then, like, I kind of like reel myself back and like focus on what matters, which is like being passionate for my process and like putting myself in an environment that allows me to like just be myself and be stoked for what I do.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: You know, um, but yeah, like there can like, as times, I do feel that pressure, like oh, I need to do this, like be better at races, or like, um, and stuff like that, but then, like, then I kind of like I've learned to reel it back.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: You know, like I did have, like when I was doing obstacle course racing, like I did, uh, I guess in 2019, I kind of like popped off at a couple races, showed up to worlds, like basically shot the bed and then like things kind of just like spiraled a bit.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Um, so I guess, uh, right now, like it's to like keep growing and then like, yeah, keep growing, you know, just like, just take ownership of where I am in the sport and like keep growing, like regardless of where that is.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, but I guess like I don't feel intense amounts of pressure, like now, like when I show up to start lines, like I'm generally like at peace with, like what I've done to prepare for it.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: You know, like it doesn't feel like I'm cramming for races by any means and it's like I'm pretty comfortable, like, and I have a vague idea of where I'm at, but like it's more like um, really just being able and learning how to like squeeze every ounce of my out of myself on that given day.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, which is like art in itself.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: It is racing, and that's something dude.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I feel like I learned that more this year than any other year Racing at a higher competition level.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: It's like you actually learn, especially like Cirque series races.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Because it's so short.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: You have to learn how to race.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: You actually have to know how to race.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: You have like three minutes after the gun goes off to decide like how committed you are that day.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: It's terrible yeah.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Do you enjoy the process?
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Because this is me.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Is it me like?
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I enjoy the process more than I enjoy racing?
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely do you yeah, yeah, you seem so dialed, so that's why it's interesting to me.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: No, I I love the process um, I like, I love every.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Like there's certain parts of the process that I'm like oh yeah, this is kind of annoying, but like, for like the most part, like I, I'm like I love like the way I train um and like the things I do to support my training um, and yeah, it gets me stoked, like putting together that puzzle and, uh, because I feel like every puzzle is different, it's got to be like a puzzle you're excited by um and you got to just give yourself space and be patient to like I don't know, make those puzzle pieces fit together.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like, yeah, I'd say like my day-to-day training is what really gets me more stoked, and then, like, the race itself is like um icing on the cake, I guess, um, yeah.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: What's your relationship with, with, like with competition?
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, it's like I'm very competitive Um, are you?
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: like one of those people Like I can't have someone even pass me on a hike if I'm hanging out with my wife.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't give a shit about that yeah.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Like uh, I guess, like I'm competitive on race day, you know like, um, I guess, like, if I'm running in a group of guys and they decide to like go hammer up a climb, I'll let them go, um, because that's just not my day to hammer, yeah, yeah, but like, some days, like I I'll mess around and like and like go with it.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: You know, um, but like uh, yeah, I've had an interesting relationship with like racing and like that competitive side because like, yeah, when my obstacle course racing career kind of like hit the shitter, um, and like I like I was completely over trained and like overstressed and like nothing I did, like wasn't making me fit, but like I kept showing up to races and like I just couldn't compete, you know, and it's just like such a shitty feeling when you're like, when you just can't do the thing that you you thought you're really good at, you know, but there do the thing that you you thought you're really good at, you know, but there's like nothing there, you know Um.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: So then that like my, my ego like took like a really big hit and I was like, oh, maybe, like I'm just not here for this, you know, um, and then, like I went to the rut last year and I was like, okay, I'm gonna give myself a chance and just like just go for it, you know.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: And then like that was like a big step forward, like in my self esteem.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: And then this year too, like it's like it was all about like just giving myself the chance, letting myself feel that competitive edge that like I had for so many years like playing soccer and like an obstacle course racing, um, and then like kind of like building on itself and like I guess, like at the rut this year, it was like it was.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: It was it was really cool to see, like to be able to run with, like Scott Patterson, um, like go back and forth with him, um, and just like get that like competitive edge back.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: You know that like um, that fired a like just go back and forth and like play the game, you know, um, yeah.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: So I guess, like now like I'm at a point that like I'm psyched, like when I do race, like I'm psyched to like compete with other people and that's really fun yeah.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, dude Um yeah, but like I guess, like in day-to-day training, like I'm not super competitive, like I do what I got to do to be the best I can be, like on race day and like in years to come and stuff, yeah dude, I love that.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna take a little turn here because I'm just truly interested by it.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: You've got this business.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: What is the huh?
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: What is it yeah?
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: yeah, a little business.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Um, so in brazil we eat these wraps.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: They're made out of tapioca flour, which is made out of yuca yuca's root.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Um, and in brazil they're really popular.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Uh, we eat them on a daily basis with like, just like as bread.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: You know, like, instead of bread, they'll eat just little tapioca wraps and then, um, yeah, like, I sell them, like on my website and uh, what's it called?
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: My website.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just johnnylunalimacom.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: But like the, the like.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: The business itself is johnny's mountain wraps yeah, that's um and then, like my favorite way to do it is just like I take some of the flour, mix it with an egg, um, and then it makes a little crepe and then that crepe can be eaten like sweet or savory and it's actually like really good like fuel for like before and during training, especially if you have like a longer day, because it's like it's like pure carbs, literally pure carbs, um and it's easy on the stomach and, yeah, it's just versatile.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Like you can make it into like a really big crepe and just kind of like lather nutella on it and just eat it on the stomach.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: And, yeah, it's just versatile.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Like you can make it into like a really big crepe and just kind of like lather nutella on it and just eat it on the bike or like amazing um, and yeah, that's.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: That's basically the gist of it, but like, yeah, it's definitely a staple and just like what I eat on a daily basis or weekly basis, like I don't eat it every single day it's so dope, though I don't know.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: It's kind of cool that you started like your own business with it and like it's like a, it's like a thing.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'll link to it in the show notes so we can yeah, drive some people to come.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I uh, I meant to bring some down, but like, yeah, it's all good, I'll order some, but definitely it sounds, so sounds good.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: What is your diet?
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: like dude, because you're in tremendous shape, so yeah gonna be eating, uh, clean right, uh, get a beat and clean right, yeah, diet.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Um, I guess like, yeah, no, I.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: I took some time to really get that dialed with.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Uh, vic Johnson.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: I feel like everyone works with Vic Johnson.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, popular dude.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, really good guy, um, but like, if people are going to roll their eyes like it was just, like it's just like lots of carbs, like, but like no, I do try to keep it like pretty clean, like I get most of my carbs like I bake my own bread, uh, so I get a lot of carbs from, there, big sourdough guy, yeah, and then, uh, lots of rice, um, and pasta, and I make my own pizza dough.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I feel like those are my main um carb sources.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, maple syrup, and dates too, um, but so you're not a sugar guy, then you pretty much like eliminate all processed sugars, anything like that yeah, I guess I don't eat that much processed sugar.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, yeah, I don't necessarily pour cane sugar into my stuff, definitely want to avoid that yeah, um, but Um, but yeah no, like I, I definitely get like good dose of veggies twice a day, um, and enough protein, um 140 to 150 grams a day or so, I don't know, it depends Do you eat meat or yeah?
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I eat meat, um, and then just like try to make it like a variety of carbs, like beans I know that's a good protein source too, but I try to keep that in the mix a couple of times a week too.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, like simple foods, but just like the biggest thing is just like getting enough.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: You know, cause I've like had points that like I'm just like like I feel like beginning of this this year, like I wasn't, I was, I was eating enough.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: I'm just like like I feel like beginning of this this year, like I wasn't, I was, I was eating enough.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: But like just like too much protein rather than like carb, just pure carbs, um, and like that shift alone has made a huge difference for me, um, just being able to sleep better.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: And then like, like I do like a lot of back-to-back training days, so like threshold one day, threshold the next day, or threshold into like a lot of back-to-back training days, so like threshold one day, threshold the next day, or threshold into like a long run, or like threshold into threshold with a long run type stuff.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: So then like just making that shift to like having my diet like I don't know in a day be like uh, like the macro distribution being like 65 carbs in a day or so, that's made a huge difference.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: And just like making sure the calories are there too.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Um yeah, like on big training days it can be kind of odd, but you gotta eat, man.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I yeah, but I think my thing too is like I don't know.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: I see a lot of peers.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: They're like stick figures, dude yeah, so you automatically think you're like jockeys.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah and I'm just like, oh, my god, how do I get that like, because I, you know, I think you feel, probably feel similar, like you're a bigger dude muscularly.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, um, and I don't know.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I see that in my head and I'm like, oh, like I think, power weight ratio in order to be faster uphill, I have to be as light as possible.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: That's not necessarily true yeah, I mean you definitely like I don't know, like if you're meant to be, if your sweet spot is like 150 pounds and like you're like 170 pounds, like yeah, that is not gonna work right but like, if you're meant to be 150 pounds and you're 130 pounds, like you're just gonna break your bones.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: You know you're gonna be brittle, you're gonna have a shitty career and you're gonna have a shitty like life in general, just because, like, you're probably not eating enough.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you constantly have broken bones and you probably can't get a boner, and it's just like so so yeah, I mean no, yeah, I feel like it's no secret in our sport, like, especially, like yeah, like, like the power to rate ratio is like a conversation.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: You know that's very real.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: But like yeah, like too light is, is not the answer, not anymore, you know, and I feel like it's it's, I like to think like that's, that thought process is going away.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: But I guess it's hard being like like in the U S, especially where the collegiate we're collegiate running is one of the filters into trail running now, where, like there are a lot of old school coaches and like a lot of these kids heroes are like old school runners where, like they were super lean but for some reason they never got injured or whatever you know, but like it's hard.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: So, like a lot of times kids see like, oh, this guy's super skinny, like I need to look like that right, and that's just not the reality of it.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: You know, like you got to be strong in order to train.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: You know, in order to be good, you got to train a lot, and you got to train a lot for many years in order to train a lot.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: For many years, you got to eat like a champion and recover like a champion.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: In order to recover like a champion, you got to eat like a champion, which means you sleep like a champion.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: You know so no, dude, I love that.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like I don't know.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: We gotta produce power and that's the thing.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Like if you're undernourished, you're not producing power yeah, yeah, like I don't know, maybe you might be able to produce power for like one day.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah but like I don like, I don't know, you'll just end up injured and, like other guys that were taking care of themselves for many years, they're just going to like blow past you, you know and they earned it too, because they're taking care of themselves and like giving themselves justice, you know, so yeah, I agree, Dude.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: that's a great answer, by the way.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: No, like I'm with you, Like I for sure.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Well, dude, we're at an hour already.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I could I feel like I could talk to you for days man, you got you got good insights, um, but I don't want to take you.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Take all your evening Um.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Start getting to the winding down questions now.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no stress, I have time.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Curious to see who inspires you.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Who inspires me?
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Um, I guess like uh, yeah, like john alvin's inspiration, you know, like that common ground and obstacle course racing and him slowly like chipping away and changing his training system to be able to race with the best in the world in the mountains.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: That's inspiring um, I guess from like a idol standpoint.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Like anton kapryczka is really cool, just his versatility in the mountains.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: You know like, um, I feel like he's he really all the injuries he's had in his career are really shitty.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: It would have been really cool to see him like really run to his potential more.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Um, but like I admire his versatility and scrambling and just like being able to run and all that um, do you ever train with?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: him at all no, no, no, is he like a solo kind of.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: I've never met him actually I don't know, but like uh, I don't know, to me he's like I I feel like why would you want it?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Why would he want to scramble with me?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: It's easy.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: He'd be like okay, he'd like he needed, he needed to bring like a leash to like make sure I'm moving faster, you know is he that good like oh?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: yeah, no, he's legit, he's like super smooth and like uh, he's able to link things up like like, no, like, just like super smooth.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Um so no, he's legit at scrambling.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: So there's like really serious levels.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: This because I always feel like you're the guy who's showing everybody else how to score on the running scene.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: I'm learning.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: I saw that video of like Eli and Tabor and you're like have them out and like Tabor's afraid to like jump off this like the the diving board is a real thing.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: I've never been on it so I don't shit on the diving board.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Now, anton's really cool, obviously, like Killian's versatility in the mountains and running is like incredible, you know, and I guess like having like scrambled a bit more these past two years like has been really cool to like be able to put things into perspective.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Um, just like how versatile he really is is absolutely incredible.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, I mean, ryan Atkins is really cool from a perspective of just longevity, like he did a great job of growing with the sport of obstacle course racing and always like being at the spear point of it, so that that's like sick to see, like real strong.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Um, uh, different obstacle course racer, he's like a real OG.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Hobie, call his son yeah, hawk dude, hot call yeah uh, don't sleep on hawk dude.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: I am like, if I'm buying stock, if you have a mentor like hobie, call on your corner, shit, yeah, no, hawk's gonna be.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Hawk is really good and he's only gonna improve.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: But like his dad, hobie, legit, like uh, I think it was a he ran a 215 marathon, um.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: And then, like it's really too bad that obstacle course racing didn't come around earlier because, like um, I think hobie only started winning world championships when he was like 39 or 40 or something like that.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: So, like just really strong, um, and just like also another guy that was just like pure belief in his process and like just stoked, you know, stoked to be there.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like those guys really stand out.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: For me.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely missing a couple like Cal Richardson and Boulder.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Like his speed records and the flat irons are sick and his longs peak is really cool, um, yeah, I guess I push and pull for like inspiration, depending on the day, and what I'm doing.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: You know, um, manuel marias is really cool, just like very versatile um, just like incredible descender, but can also hold his own on the climbs, you know have you ever raced him or met him?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Raced him.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, uh, no, I've never met him he's an interesting guy.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: I cool follow yeah yeah, yeah, uh, yeah.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: No, he's really cool, his dog is his dog is dope.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his dog his dog is uh, he's very versatile in the mountains too you seem like pulling the dog up.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's pulling his dog up snow.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: It's like steep snow fields.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh shit yeah it's funny yeah, um yeah, I guess like, yeah, those guys really stand out to me.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Um yeah, I hope that answers your question yeah, what's your walkout song bro?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: walkout song.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, man, I couldn't tell you.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to leave that one in blank.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like I guess, like if I were to whoever is like editing the video with the walkout song or whatever, like I'd want them to spend time with me and then like present, like songs that multiple songs that like, and then like present, like songs, that multiple songs, that that like, and then I could choose one okay thing.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just say what's your like.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Do you have like a race day, anything on race day you're listening to or no, I don't listen to anything.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: um, I guess, like race day, it's more like just mental checklists, like like okay, like what's my mantra gonna be, what's like?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Um, like just like remembering like the training I've done and like specific pieces that I feel like I need to lean into in training or on race day from training and just like remembering details like that and just like being at peace with things.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that, all right.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Last question, it's a silly one what's your take on the aliens?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: Aliens- yeah, oh, I hope they're real man.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: I hope they're real, that'll make things so much more interesting, right.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, dude, things are already wild.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Like I, wouldn't mind for like aliens to appear when I'm like 43 or something 43?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: .
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  Speaker 2: That's a lot of stuff like I want to do in the mountains but like by the time I'm 43, I'm like, oh, maybe this isn't as attractive anymore in the mountains, but like aliens would be sick aliens would be sick.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
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  Speaker 1: One.
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  Speaker 1: One last question is actually a serious one.
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  Speaker 1: This might take a little bit, but I was very curious of this because one of the things you brought up several times is your potential yeah what do you think is your potential in the sport?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: oh man, um, yeah, uh, oh man, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, I believe like with time I have a shot at a podium at OCC and where else.
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  Speaker 2: Like I feel like, yeah, my climbing is not there, but like I have a big piece of the puzzle and it's just giving myself time and like playing my training in training in a way that like allows me to develop and stay stoked and like I think with time I can run with the best of them.
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  Speaker 2: Like I don't know if OCC or like is the race, or like maybe Zagama or something you know, but I feel like a piece of me definitely has that in there.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Um, people might think I'm crazy, but like, hey, you don't need to hang with me, I don't care.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Well, dude.
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  Speaker 1: I know the reason I say that is because if I'm buying stock, I'm definitely buying Johnny Lunalini stock.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I like just time and stoke that.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: All that's the equation.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, we'll see.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
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  Speaker 2: It's been fun and it'll only get more fun hell, yeah, man.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, dude, I really look forward to following your journey and hope this isn't the last time we hang out so, yeah, no, definitely thanks for having me dude, it's my pleasure.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, bro, what'd you guys think?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: What a fun episode?
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Want to thank johnny so much for coming on the podcast.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Uh, like I said, we dove into a lot of really good, uh, little tidbits and little nuggets of information there, as an athlete, that I can just really appreciate.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Like I said, we talked about all the time in the gym, just everything you could possibly do to make yourself better and get yourself 1% better every day, and it seems like Johnny is just checking those boxes.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: And you know what I'm buying stock of Johnny Lunalima.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: I truly do believe he is one of the best in the country and will continue to cement himself, if not eventually become one of the best in the world, so excited to see his career develop and grow as he navigates his way through the sport.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: So, guys, before you get going, do me a favor, hop on Instagram and let's get Johnny a follow.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: His Instagram is pretty simple Johnny J-O-H-N-N-Y Luna U-N-A.
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  Speaker 1: Lima.
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  Speaker 1: Give that handle a follow.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: There's also some other little things on there on his Instagram to give a follow.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about his little startup company that he's got called Johnny's Mountain Wraps, which are these really delicious little tapioca wraps that Johnny has.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: So give that a follow and put in an order if you're looking for some low-carb, healthy, non-processed stuff.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: That looks pretty delicious.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, give that a follow as well.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I got for you guys.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Have a great weekend, enjoy your long runs, get in some hard training this week and, yeah, hope you enjoy the pod.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Before you finally get going, do me a favor Hop on Spotify, apple or YouTube.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Give us a rating and review guys.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Five stars would be amazing.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: That's how I can share this with the world and that would be great.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: So, have a great rest of your week.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you.