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Catt Sadler on Mid-Life, Love/Divorce, Career, and the Lessons She's Learned Along the Way · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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  Speaker 3: What was your biggest takeaway from your last relationship?
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  Speaker 1: Not to lie to myself, tattoos, therapy, equal pay.
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  Speaker 3: Not one woman in media who came out and said
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  Speaker 4: this to happen, great, you really feel that way?
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  Speaker 1: That's so cool. I really do fashion.
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  Speaker 4: and these were the krem de la creme of people
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  Speaker 3: Journalist, taste maker and host of the podcast It Sure
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  Speaker 3: is a beautiful day. Kat Sadler all to the table
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  Speaker 3: in today's episode.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this cat, but we met.
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  Speaker 3: I think the second year I moved to La at
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  Speaker 3: some weird e event. I think somebody was throwing a
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  Speaker 3: party on top of a roof. Chris Jenner was there.
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  Speaker 3: It was the first time I ever saw you in person,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, oh my god, Cat Saddler is here.
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  Speaker 3: I ran up to you and you sat down at
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  Speaker 3: a table with me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I remember this, do you.
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  Speaker 3: I looked back at the Instagram that I posted, and
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  Speaker 3: I wrote this whole thing about how lovely you are
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  Speaker 3: and I said, she's got soul And that was like
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  Speaker 3: eight years ago, and I thought, how cool that, Like
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  Speaker 3: I even garnered that from ten minutes with you, and
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  Speaker 3: it's true, it's who you are. You have so much soul.
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  Speaker 3: I felt like so excited to have you here today,
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  Speaker 3: So thank you for your time. So beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, here's what's wild is that, of course I remember
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  Speaker 4: exactly what you're talking about. We were at like a
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  Speaker 4: Buka a BeO. It was if former E colleague was.
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  Speaker 4: It was a book launch, and yes, Chris Jenner was there.
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  Speaker 4: But I remember you because you were so good and
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  Speaker 4: I remember you being kind of early in the game,
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  Speaker 4: and I remember you were so enthusiastic and you were
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  Speaker 4: so sincere in your desire to speak with me. So
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  Speaker 4: it was a very mutual exchange. But do you know what,
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  Speaker 4: because we've are friends now, I never put together that
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  Speaker 4: was you until this moment.
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  Speaker 3: For real.
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  Speaker 1: I never I never connected that dot.
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  Speaker 4: I remember her, I remember that moment, but I never
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  Speaker 4: knew that was you until this second.
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  Speaker 1: How funny is that? That's wild?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And forgive me, because you can imagine, I do
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  Speaker 4: tons of and it was eight years ago. I'm very
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  Speaker 4: old now I have no memory.
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  Speaker 1: So but now at all all those pieces come together.
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  Speaker 1: That was you, it was me. I was a full circle.
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  Speaker 3: It was I was so excited to be with you.
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  Speaker 3: You were exactly the same person as you were on camera,
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  Speaker 3: which is so rare, don't you.
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  Speaker 1: Think think it is pretty rare? Yeah, I think that
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  Speaker 1: is rare.
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  Speaker 4: It's the only way I know how to be, though,
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  Speaker 4: So that's what you get.
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  Speaker 3: So I was listening to all of your interviews before this,
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  Speaker 3: and no, they were so interesting. But you totally like
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  Speaker 3: no one ever asked you about your childhood. So I
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  Speaker 3: want to know, like, way before e you grew up
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  Speaker 3: in Indiana, did you like pop culture growing up?
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  Speaker 4: I was always paying attention. I was always going to
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  Speaker 4: the movies. I loved music. I had the records, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I was that, you know, I'm obsessed with Madonna and
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  Speaker 4: Michael Jackson. I had all the posters in my room
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  Speaker 4: and that whole thing. Fashion not as much. We didn't
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  Speaker 4: have a lot of money growing up, and we were
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  Speaker 4: middle to lower class for a while, especially when I
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  Speaker 4: was younger. My mom was a school teacher. She loves
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  Speaker 4: to remind me she made eleven thousand dollars a year.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: My mom and dad got divorced.
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  Speaker 4: When I was two, and so I got a stepdad
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  Speaker 4: when I was four or five, and he was struggling
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  Speaker 4: to a degree. You know, they were kind of young,
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  Speaker 4: I mean late twenties or early thirties, and so we
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  Speaker 4: didn't have a lot of means. So I was certainly
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  Speaker 4: not that girl with like the best closet of all
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  Speaker 4: my friends. I was always borrowing clothes. But pop culture
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  Speaker 4: for sure, for sure. I mean I had dreams of
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  Speaker 4: I would watch movies and then think about Hollywood for
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  Speaker 4: sure as a young girl. I mean Titanic, I mean
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  Speaker 4: I think that was the one. I was like, Hell,
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  Speaker 4: Leo and Kate, how do I get.
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  Speaker 1: Out of Indy? Anna? I want that? Whatever that was,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that you mentioned your mom. I really
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  Speaker 3: wanted to ask you about her, because in so much
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  Speaker 3: of what I've read and listened to from you, so
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  Speaker 3: much of your feminist outlook comes from her.
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  Speaker 1: It seems it's very true.
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  Speaker 3: So did she was it like a lessons are caught
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  Speaker 3: not taught thing, or really were they taught.
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  Speaker 1: They were pretty taught. My mother's very vocal.
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  Speaker 4: I was a lucky girl growing up in that she
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  Speaker 4: was always in my ear, championing me, telling me I
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  Speaker 4: can be anything.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be.
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  Speaker 4: You know, believe it, you can achieve it. There are
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  Speaker 4: no boundaries, there are no limits. So she was always
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  Speaker 4: my cheerleader, and without question, a lot of my own
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  Speaker 4: beliefs about myself and the world.
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  Speaker 1: Were shaped by my mom. How about your dad, I
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  Speaker 1: don't often hear you talk about him. I know, rest
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  Speaker 1: in peace.
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  Speaker 4: My father my dad, As I just mentioned, Mom got
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  Speaker 4: divorced when I was really young, and so I did
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the back and forth to dad's house
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  Speaker 4: on the weekends because he lived about an hour away
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  Speaker 4: until I was made that move to the small town
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  Speaker 4: that's where he was.
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  Speaker 1: So we were not close growing up.
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  Speaker 4: Really, it was kind of like at a distance relationship,
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  Speaker 4: and then we got really close when I went to college.
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  Speaker 4: My dad passed away about seven years ago now from
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  Speaker 4: lung cancer. But so much of me, really, my personal
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  Speaker 4: is also from my dad. He's very where my mom
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  Speaker 4: is very cosmopolitan and worldly and driven and ambitious. My
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  Speaker 4: dad is like, get me the cabin in the woods.
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  Speaker 4: I love nature, I love storytelling, I love the simple
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  Speaker 4: things in life. So it's interesting because a lot of
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  Speaker 4: that is certainly me as well.
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  Speaker 1: That's cool to hair. Thank you for sharing that. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for asking about my dad. I don't know that anyone
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  Speaker 1: ever has.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I hadn't heard you talk about him, and
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he must have played a big role in
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  Speaker 1: who you are.
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  Speaker 3: So one of the reasons I'm scared to get married
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  Speaker 3: is because I'm scared to get divorced.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know the odd So you're a very wise.
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  Speaker 3: Very wise girl, like from if people asked me at thirteen,
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  Speaker 3: I was scared of divorce for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: Were your parents together?
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  Speaker 5: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Are they still? Yes? It is the weirdest thing. Well,
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  Speaker 1: now that's understandable.
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  Speaker 4: You've been You've had it the right way, it sounds like,
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  Speaker 4: And so you don't want to blow it up.
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  Speaker 1: Like so many of us do.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's not even blowing because I don't think of
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  Speaker 3: it as if it's like a beautiful relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Who cares how long it lasts?
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  Speaker 3: It just I think I am so sensitive that even
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  Speaker 3: a breakup throws me into a tailspin. Let alone, I
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  Speaker 3: can't even imagine all divorce.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you just have to have a couple.
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  Speaker 4: You'll just get the first one out of the way, Danielle,
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  Speaker 4: then you'll be fine.
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  Speaker 1: Then your smooth sale eggs exactly. Okay, So this is
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  Speaker 1: my question.
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  Speaker 3: You're going through like, you've had breakups, you've had divorces,
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  Speaker 3: you've had two beautiful sons, You've had a lot of
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  Speaker 3: like big life moments, happy and sad, all while being
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  Speaker 3: on camera every day. How does that work when you
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  Speaker 3: have to, like you said, show up and look happy.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Well, therapy comes later. Okay firstly, but secondly, I
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  Speaker 4: do look back at it as a gift in many ways,
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  Speaker 4: because you know, I my first divorce, I had two kids,
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  Speaker 4: six and two. And I understand what you were just saying,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to get divorced. I'm scared of it, because,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, so was I. You know, no one
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  Speaker 4: wants to get divorced. And I was a child of divorce,
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  Speaker 4: So in many ways I felt like that was a
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  Speaker 4: real failure. And then I had these two young kids.
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  Speaker 4: But the beauty of doing a daily show five days
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  Speaker 4: a week is that I didn't have a choice. You know,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of women and men understandably, going through that,
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  Speaker 4: you crumble and you fall to the ground and you
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  Speaker 4: just don't know if you can keep going. And it's very,
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  Speaker 4: very difficult, and it was very difficult. But I did
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  Speaker 4: not have the choice to lie in bed and drink wine.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, no matter what job I had, I couldn't
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  Speaker 4: have done that with two kids. So you know, I
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  Speaker 4: always like to say I had to soldier on. I've
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  Speaker 4: kind of done that my whole life. So yes, TV
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  Speaker 4: was a part of that, and I'm grateful for that. However,
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  Speaker 4: for anybody listening, I don't you know, listen, it always
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  Speaker 4: comes back, right, I mean, that's what I've learned. Any pain,
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  Speaker 4: any adversity, any real struggles that we swallow, they do
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  Speaker 4: come back. They do bubble back up, and sometimes that
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  Speaker 4: can even turn into real trauma within your physical body,
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  Speaker 4: so be careful doing that.
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  Speaker 1: For me, it allowed me to keep going.
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  Speaker 4: But eventually that will catch up with you and you
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  Speaker 4: do have to sift through it, and you do have
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  Speaker 4: to ask all the hard questions of yourself, and you
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  Speaker 4: do have to clean up your side of the street,
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  Speaker 4: and you do have to purge that, I think, to
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  Speaker 4: heal and to keep going because whether it's a divorce,
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  Speaker 4: or it's loss, or it's a death or whatever challenge,
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  Speaker 4: or maybe it's a loss of a job for someone
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  Speaker 4: you know after so many years, my advice would be
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  Speaker 4: to tidy that up as best as one can after
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  Speaker 4: really feeling what it is like.
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  Speaker 1: To go through that.
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  Speaker 3: Do you feel like you're looking for something different now
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  Speaker 3: when you're dating than when you were twenty or is
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  Speaker 3: it a similar type of person?
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  Speaker 4: I am working on how not to repeat the patterns
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  Speaker 4: that definitely contributed to my failed past relationships. I'm getting better,
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  Speaker 4: and by the way, I'm spending a lot of time
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  Speaker 4: with myself, And I think that's a good prescription for
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  Speaker 4: anyone when you just don't know, and it's it's it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't always have to be about the search for the
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  Speaker 4: other half to complete us, you know, it's when we're
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  Speaker 4: really really spending time with ourselves. I think that the
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  Speaker 4: rest really works itself out.
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  Speaker 1: Sitting with yourself really changes things.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and it might be an hour, or it
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  Speaker 4: might be a year. It's been about a year for me.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I have not been this single in a
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  Speaker 4: long time, this alone. I shouldn't say this single, but
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  Speaker 4: but but yes, being and you know you hear that, right,
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  Speaker 4: it's easy for all of us like be with yourself,
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  Speaker 4: sit with yourself. What does that really look like? Well,
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  Speaker 4: it looks like being lonely. It looks like shit.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it looks like a bottle of wine.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes it looks like going without any coping wine.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's it's a journey in and of itself
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  Speaker 4: if you really want to get back to the truth
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  Speaker 4: of who you are. And I that has certainly been
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  Speaker 4: the season of my life. It's interesting because when I
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  Speaker 4: left E, you know, professionally, had all this worth and
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  Speaker 4: clarity and you know, courage, and then on the flip
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  Speaker 4: side of that, my personal life was the complete opposite.
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  Speaker 1: I really.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but now that's catching up. So it's so
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  Speaker 4: now both of those are aligning in a more powerful,
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  Speaker 4: clear way. But there was a while there when they
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  Speaker 4: were completely at odds.
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  Speaker 1: I suppose.
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  Speaker 3: I remember watching on Instagram that you were friends with
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  Speaker 3: your ex husband's wife, and I thought, that is a
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  Speaker 3: whole podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that you guys have done that. It's seemingly so.
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  Speaker 3: Beautifully it really, I mean, it's like it's pretty remarkable.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. It really is.
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  Speaker 4: I mean part of me feels a little guilty about
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  Speaker 4: it because I know that not everyone can have that dynamic,
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  Speaker 4: and I know divorce can be rough, and I know
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  Speaker 4: when there are really catastrophic things that happen in marriages
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  Speaker 4: that are seemingly unforgivable. That wasn't us, right, So maybe
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  Speaker 4: if he slept with my best friend and disappeared for
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  Speaker 4: two years and never paid child support or something, this
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't be the case. Right, Let's call it what it is.
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  Speaker 4: I do want to give that disclaimer, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: we were childhood sweethearts, at college sweethearts, i should say,
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  Speaker 4: and we were able, through just mutual respect at the
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  Speaker 4: end of the day, to dissolve in a way that
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  Speaker 4: mostly worked for our kids, but then ultimately ended up
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  Speaker 4: becoming this great co parenting situation like you mentioned. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you won't even believe this. However, Sarah is my friend
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  Speaker 4: and my ex husband's wife and one of my business
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  Speaker 4: partners essentially, so we worked together and our friend.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's.
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  Speaker 4: Wild, no one really believes it, but it really it's
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  Speaker 4: so beautiful the way. Kudos to her, right, because if
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  Speaker 4: she was not on board, this was two to tango.
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  Speaker 1: It wouldn't work.
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  Speaker 4: It wouldn't work unless everybody wanted this family dynamic. But
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  Speaker 4: even this is happening as we speak. They moved to Florida,
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  Speaker 4: so I'm here in La with the boys. Now this
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  Speaker 4: is a big shift for us because we've co parented
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  Speaker 4: down the street literally for their entire childhood. Now they
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: made a big move during the pandemic to Florida, which
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  Speaker 4: was really felt like a loss for all of us,
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  Speaker 4: but great for them. And Kyle has to fly in
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  Speaker 4: for business today and he texted us on the family
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  Speaker 4: group text, Hey, I'm coming in. I could stay at
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  Speaker 4: a hotel, but I missed the boys. So he's gonna
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  Speaker 4: be at the house tonight.
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  Speaker 1: At five thirty. That's amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Sarah doesn't even text me, does not not a concern.
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  Speaker 4: It's my own mother who calls me. She's like, is
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  Speaker 4: that weird that your ex husband is sleeping at the
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  Speaker 4: house tonight. I was like, Mom, I mean I get it.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe in your generation that was like really off the table, but.
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  Speaker 1: It's all good.
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  Speaker 4: It's all good, and people still have trouble believing that,
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  Speaker 4: but it's true.
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  Speaker 3: So much kudos to you guys, because I just feel
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  Speaker 3: like when things are broken. To think about it as
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  Speaker 3: more love instead of a break is just it's the coolest.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you can get there, right, and if you
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  Speaker 4: always happen overnight, right. But I do think you can
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  Speaker 4: choose that. I just really I do hope that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, back to.
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  Speaker 4: Your original point, I don't want to get divorced. I mean, listen,
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  Speaker 4: nobody does. But if you do get divorced, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's nice if you can clean it up a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: namely for the kids, but even for your own health
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  Speaker 4: and well, I mean, nobody wants to hold on to
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  Speaker 4: that forever, right, that's just poisoned. You want to live
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  Speaker 4: with that the rest of your life? I don't, So
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  Speaker 4: it's like, you know, keep it moving.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I heard that you got matching tattoos with your mom
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  Speaker 3: and your brother.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have another sibling too, Aja? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we got our first family tattoo together and it
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  Speaker 4: was my mom's idea.
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  Speaker 3: So are you gonna do this with your boys?
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  Speaker 1: You know, never say never? Okay, I'm I'm I'm up.
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  Speaker 4: To seven tattoos now and I'm getting rid of one
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  Speaker 4: at the moment, so I'm kind of trying to wind
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  Speaker 4: down my tattoo phase. However, my oldest son did say
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  Speaker 4: he wanted one. He wants to get one of the
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  Speaker 4: ones I have, So they're both kind of eyeing tattoos.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: But together all of this one, I don't know. I
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: haven't gone that far. If I did it again, it
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: would be something like that with them together.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: If one of your boys came home with a tattoo,
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: how would you feel.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: Ryan is sixteen, so I would strangle him. And I
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: shouldn't say that because my brother was thirteen when we
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: got the family tattoos.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't even say.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: I probably wouldn't strangle him, to be honest, he's such
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: a good kid. Austin's twenty, so he can pretty much
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: do what he wants. He asked me to get the
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: double earrings before he was eighteen, and I just said, well,
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: that's your feeling today, Let's talk about it in three months,
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: and he never asked me again. I like the whole
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: think about it over time, and that feeling is still
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: very strong and you really want to commit to something,
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: then I will most likely support you in that.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Right before I turned thirty this year, I got a tattoo,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: my first tattoo, and.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: It was on my it's on my fingers. It's like
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: coming off. Now, Oh that's pretty thank you.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: But I got it and then flew to see my family,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: and so I covered my hands with a sweatshirt.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I knew my mom would have a belt down, even.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: As delicate and small, and I mean, who who would
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: even know? Who would even it's so that's such a
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: good idea, by the way, it's thank you. Now, I'm
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: going back to the tattoo. Bro I'm gonna copy you.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: You can't so you hid it from them? And then wait,
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: obviously they know now, but still talking about it.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I get to the dinner they picked me up from
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: the airport.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I get to the dinner table and I have sweatshirts
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: like covering my fingers, and I'm eating and I go
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: to grab the broccoli, and in one second my mom says,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: what's on your hand?
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: It was over. The rest of the night was a
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: big match. Were you in trouble? Oh yeah, don't you
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: love that you can be almost thirty and you're still
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: in trouble.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: By your mom, she thought something was so she was like,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: what's wrong in your life that you're this sid I'm.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: Happy, I'm not saying and it says love for God's sake, No, mom,
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: it says love, look at your amazing daughter.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: So your mom is very cool. It's the whole point
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: of that story is your mom is very cool.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Well, And the part of the story that I think
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: it's interesting is that, yes, we did do tattoos when
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: she was in her early forties, and she may have
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: been going through a little there we say mid life
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: crisis at the time. But for her seventieth birthday, we
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: went back to the tattoo dollar and she got the
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: word seventy.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: On her forearm. Can you believe that? I know she's
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: a badass.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: That's a perfect segue into what I wanted to ask you,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: because you launched a project titled Midlife, and you're documenting
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: your quest for deeper meaning in the middle of life.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: What set this off? Why document this? I love this idea.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: I'm so glad you like it and love it, and
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: the feedback has been so phenomenal. I mean, I guess
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: I inherently knew it would be, and that's part of
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: why I'm on this journey. I'm really purpose driven at
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: this point in my life and my career, and especially
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: the beauty of kind of being on the other side
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: of being a host five days a week and taking
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: orders from somebody else is like, what can I create?
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: What work do I want to do? What does the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: content look like?
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: And then as I started experiencing the last I would say,
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: year and a half of my life and changing and
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: having these really aha personal moments about the struggles that
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: go along with being a middle aged woman, and back
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: to that piece of being honest with myself, It's like,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: if I don't share this with other women, I'm doing
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: a real disservice to them, because at the end of
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: the day, that's who I want to help. I want
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: to help women, I want empower women, I want to
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: inspire women. So the more I would share on social
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: media about my hotplashes or my body changing, or you know,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: the the internal conflict with wrinkles or botogs or you
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: know what's out there to help sustain us or make
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: us feel good, all these various topics, people were responding
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: so very much to that. And I was blown away
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: by people saying, Oh, tell me more. Oh, you're going
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: to the acupuncturists, tell me what she says, and oh, wait,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: what did you find out about this? And wait, this
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: hurts too, And oh, I just had a divorce and
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: I'm at a different point in life and I have
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: no one to talk to. And I lost my husband
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: after twenty five years, after you know, four kids. So
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: women just kept coming to me saying, please go there,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: just go there, because in many ways people are not
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: talking about it either.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: There really aren't many well.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: We don't even talk about periods, let alone not having
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: your period exactly exactly.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's changing a little bit now,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: but but.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: You're right, I mean, it's not sexy, right, it's not sexy.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: And as you well know, you know, everything's either targeted
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: to super young, hot, beautiful youth and blow that up,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: or it's you know, kind of wacky older golden girls
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: stuff that's like funny. But at the heart of living
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: at midlife, there's so much to explore. And I think
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: through this exploration we can make women a fill us alone,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: but be live more comfortably because there is a lot
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: of science out there and there are a lot of
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: processes one can go through to feel better at the
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: end of the day. And by the way, not just
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: for the women, but for their partners, or their spouses
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: or their families. Who are worried about them and what
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: they're going through. It paramenopause, by the way, that's another
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: word that's not really in the vernacular yet. It's very
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: real and you don't even know what's happening to you.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: You feel like this your body has been abducted by aliens.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: So I'm really really excited to go on this journey
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: and very dedicated to this experiment in many ways. And
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: we'll we'll see what happens. We're still in the early
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: stages of really defining what it will look like, and
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: we're still raising funds wink wink to anyone listening to
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: try to get it made. But that's where we are,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: and I'm very committed to this.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: From an outsider, I've never been more excited to see
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: you do something. I really feel like it's in line
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: with Yeah, it's really cool. I watched an interview years
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: ago when I was a kid, I stayed home. I
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: think I was like faking sick from school. Watched an
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Oprah interview with Roquel Welch. I think I was probably thirteen,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: and she was a sex symbol, like an icon, right,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: and she was telling Oprah how so much of her
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: identity was wrapped up in her looks, and so she
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: walked into a restaurant one day and nobody's head turned
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: and she felt like the waves crashed over and at thirteen,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: for some reason, I thought about that a lot like
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: that interview read like it's stuck with me. I think
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: it's because it's the expiration date that pisces me off.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Because all the women I see in my life that
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: age like truly get better. It's just that society doesn't
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: really reinforce that.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Not remotely, not remotely. How did I miss that Oprah episode?
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: I thought I saw everyone at the ORPM to you,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: how did I miss that one? But I mean I
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: could certainly relate. And you know, it's interesting because nobody, really,
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: no one really is going to have sympathy for a
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: really beautiful woman like Raquel Welsh right, Like sometimes beauty
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: can be a curse, right, Nobody wants to hear that.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: But if in fact, your worth is wrapped up into
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: your physical then that is what happens when you age,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: and it is and can be difficult because you see
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: yourself changing. In addition to that, you see the world
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: treating you differently, and that is very real. I mean
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: that's happened to me. I was in a paint shop
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: about six months ago. It was a Saturday morning. I
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: had on like a hoodie, I had on a big
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: trench coat. I just was going in there to get
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: my paint, to do what I had to do, and
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: I could not get anybody to help me. And it
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: was like I was like five minutes late and the
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: store wasn't even busy, and then it was a little
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: longer and I was like, hello over here, I'm trying
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: to get up with a paint. And I remember leaving
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: the paint shop going.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Is that because I don't look like I used to?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Am I? Do I have I changed? No one, they didn't.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: They were not waiting on me, and that would not
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: have been the case like so many years ago. Did
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: that have to do with how I looked? Or was
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: that nothing to do with me?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: And I don't know.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: I will never know if that had to do with anything,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: but I remember thinking that, and that says more about me,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: like whoa, you know, what does that mean?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Am I seeking?
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: You know? Are we all seeking some type of outward validation?
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: And how that pertains to age? It's very, very very real,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: and it's very hard to undo if your whole life
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: you have been seeking that validation.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Part of the title of pretty smart is tied up
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: in the idea of the type of pretty that matters.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: But if I'm really honest, part of it is a
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: search that I'm like, a quest that I'm on because
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: I want to make sure that the other type of
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: pretty matters, the pretty bold, pretty witty, you know, because
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I believe that deeply, but I'm trying to confirm it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, I love I love the premise of your show.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: I think it's so beautiful. I'm so glad that you're
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: doing that.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you, You're doing it too in mid life. I'm
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: really excited.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Thank you, I do. I think, though, aren't we seeing
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: more and more of this? Like, I think it's great.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: I mean ten years ago, twenty years ago, you would
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: open a magazine and it would only be one type
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: of woman in one type of swimsuit, one type of body,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Like at least everything's getting far more colorful, far more
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: you know, varied. I mean, I was a part of
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: this other campaign, Somersault. I saw that today it's this
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: amazing swimsuit line. But that whole initiative was precisely about
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: what we're speaking to. You're on a billboard, canow I
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: got and see. I don't know what does that mean,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: but yes, I am. How how cool I see in
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: e bathing suit in a bathing It's fantastic And good
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: on them, right, good for that company. Good on you,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: such a fan because they're celebrating all the body types,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: all the shapes, all the sizes, all the colors, all
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: the spirits, all of the varied women. Because that's that's,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: by the way, how the world looks. So let's reflect
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: that to people. And let's reflect that to the young
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: girls that are seeing these billboards. I'm paying attention, you know.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I was. I went to Nike the other day and
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I saw a ton of varied ads on their walls,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: and I thought to myself, really cool for women. But actually,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I mean this is sort of heteronormative, but really cool
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: for guys to see that, to like internalize that as
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: freaking normal, Yeah, and.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: To see that as beautiful. Such a good pa.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm like all this stupid instant stuff anyways.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Stupid Instagram stuff.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Kelly Oxford said in an interview a few weeks ago,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: she said, to me, women like their forties because the
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: life story becomes clearer. I feel as though the older
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I get, the more time I want to learn and
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: grow what has become clearer to you with time and age.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: I'm far less concerned with my ego. I think when
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: we're younger, it's difficult to not always be looking for
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: applause or approval or you know, some type of laundry
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: list of accomplishments that contribute to who we are and
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: when you get older, and I'd be lying to say,
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: of course we all want success, but I'm not as
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: married to that anymore. I'm equally turned on by the
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: most mundane, simple things. So my ego isn't driving the
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: ship anymore. It's really about making the most of every
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: single moment and every single day speaks very much to
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: like what you just said. Her quote was it is
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: there's a clarity that comes because I think we end
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: up giving ourselves a break a little bit and being
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: kinder to ourselves. And it can be very constricting to
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: be on that hamster wheel of life where you're just
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: going and going, and it's one finish line after the
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: other finish line. It seems like there's no ending. And
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: I do think That's one of the beautiful things about
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: middle age is that you start to let off the gas,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: you start to chill the fuck out, and you just
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: start to accept who you are and fall in love
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: with her. I told you, I'm as single as I've
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: ever been. I'm so single, but I'm so enjoying my
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: own company. It's a wonderful feeling. I wish I would
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: have had that feeling a long time ago.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: I don't want to like rehash when you left EAT,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: because you've done that in interviews before, but I do
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: have some questions in reflection of it. Sure, it was
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: December twenty seventeen and I was doing a morning show
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: in Chicago and we were on at six am, so
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: I was up at two forty five every day, so
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: I was sleep deprived.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: But I also we were the first people to.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Comment on things because like even in New York, there
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: wasn't an opinion show that was on, and so I
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: never got to hear other people's reflections.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: It was very much like, Oh, you better go figure
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: it out. Ooh, you're shaping the yeah, opinion right.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: So I'm doing my makeup. It's like four thirty maybe, and.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I see the news. Kat saddler leaves E. So we
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: have like a meeting in our newsroom. We're going to
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: cover it. And I was shaking a because I felt
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: a ton of empathy for you. I think people, actually
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: most people when they talked about it, I don't think
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: talked about you being a single mom. And hmm, personally,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I felt like that is a like you always hear
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: men asking for raises because they have a family to
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: provide for. You had a family to provide for. That
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: was like sort of not covered enough. Secondly, I was
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: the cat in the morning show. I had found out
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: that I was making significantly less than my male co
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: host and we were doing the same job. If anything,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: I had like more Instagram file, you know, like that
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: he didn't have more experience than me. So on and
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: so forth. And I was like, how do I cover
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: this god and not be a big freaking liar. And
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: I had found out this information. I didn't know what
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I was going to do with it, if I was
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: going to do anything with it. Was he in that
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: same meeting you had covered this story together? Yeah, we
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: were live, oh, uncomfortable.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: He knew, he knew, he knew, I knew, we all
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: knew and no one was talking about it. My executive
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: producer knew it was real weird.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: How you know What's I'm sitting here thinking how wild
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: is that? But you know what, something tells me that
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: wasn't the only scenario like this going around.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: That was it?
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Because it's everywhere, it's it's rampant. So god, how did
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: you end up doing or what did anything come of that?
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: And that I'm going to send you the clip.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: It's it's like I sort of cringe watching it because
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: I have tears in my eyes. You can't they nobody
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: would know, but like if you knew me, you would
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: know because I was so angry.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: I was angry for you.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I was angry for me, and I was like, really,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: I'm angry about it now because I still I looked
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: at all the women that left Fox S Gretchen Carlson
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: included as I was prepping for this interview, and not
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: one woman in media who came out and said something,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: whether it was about pay or sexual misconduct, has been
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: hired by any major network since the cost is still
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: so high.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I know I unloaded a lot on you.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: I'm wondering, four years later, in reflection, how you feel
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: about the decision you made and kind of like where
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: you're at with it.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's such a valid point. I love that you
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: point that out about how like where are the network gigs?
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Like why hasn't that happened? And you can I can.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: I can only speak for myself. I can ask myself
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: till I'm blue in the face, like why am I
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: not on a network show right now? And honestly, there
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: are probably a myriad of reasons. Number one, I'm also
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: not twenty five. Like, we know how this industry works.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: There's agism on top of the pay disparity between genders.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: There's also a true shift in our industry in that
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: unless you're an a lister these days, good luck getting
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: any network gig.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna push back Billy Bush, who was part
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: of the other set, Yeah, has a network gig.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: You are right, Billy Bush, and all is forgiven, all
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: is right, and that age thing certainly doesn't affect the
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: men the way. Its exactly good point, however, I mean,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: the jobs are far and few between. But to answer
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: your question, how I make sense of all that or
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: how that sits with me now?
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: And everything at.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: The end of the day, and this is true for me,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: and just again, I can only speak my truth. My
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: therapist asked me really great, great question recently. No one
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: had asked me this, and he just and he just
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: asked the other day, which is interesting because it's not
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: like we sit around talking about e now you know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: three and a half years later.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: But what we were talking about work, and he said,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: let me ask you something.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: He said, if they did pay you what you wanted
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: and what you were worth and in the ballpark of
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: what he was making, how would that look? Now, where
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: do you think you'd be? Now what would have happened?
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Because no one had I that had never even crossed
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: my mind. So let's flip the whole thing on its head.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: They say, yes, Kat, damn right, here's the money, go
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: to work. And the truth is, and this is what
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: I told doctor Rick. I said, you know, I probably
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: would have had a great two more years there and
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: then I would have left.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Anyway.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: That says more about just me personally, back to what
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: I want to contribute to the world. Like that was
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: an ethical moment for me, and it was wrong on
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: all levels. And I am so glad it happened to
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: me because look at the conversation we're having, and look
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: at the many conversations I've had with so many young
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: girls back to gen Z, kids in school doing papers,
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: kids taking college courses on equal pay.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: If I had to be this, you know example, if
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: I had to be out of a job for this
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: to happen.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Great, you really feel that way that that's so cool?
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Lead you All of these women who have taken these leaps,
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: maybe weren't rewarded in the way that we with think
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: is the reward. But I mean, I can't speak for them,
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: but I still sleep better at night, and knowing I
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: did not settle, and I didn't back to betraying oneself.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: I didn't lie to myself and just say it was
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: okay when it was not okay.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: I kind of thought you would say that. But I'm
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: glad to hear that that's how you feel, because I
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: feel like your life opened up.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Who was the person that you deliberated with.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: You mean over whether or not to leave or go?
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: Oh you mean you mean people, Danielle, You mean persons?
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Okay? So who was your personal board of dish? So many, oh,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: so many?
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: Of course my mother, of course, my mother, another supervising producer, filmmaker.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Her name is Stephanie Sucktick. She has made several films
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: and most of them documentaries, and most of them about
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: social issues. So I very much trusted her advice and
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: her direction.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: She was wonderful.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: The two celebrities I told before I left, which is
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: so funny in reflection now, but Jennifer Lawrence I had
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: a closed door meeting with, and Gwyneth Paltrow I had
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: a close.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Doorm meeting with.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: And it's so interesting because by the way I was
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: at EVE for twelve years, I never would have gotten
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: their number and asked for a meeting. Should have done
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: that ten years ago, you know what I mean. Sometimes
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: the pain and the discomfort and the unknowing forces us
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: to do things that we never would have done otherwise.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Like I was in such a place of frustration that
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: it didn't matter to me any I suddenly had these superpowers,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: if that makes sense. And so you know, Jennifer had
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: spoken out even years prior about a disparity.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: With its sony pictures.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: You know, she was one of the first to come forward,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: and Gwyneth was just really surprisingly. She was always very kind.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: But I wasn't friends with her but she was very just.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: People were shocked when I told them in secrecy or
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: or you know, off the record, when I would share
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: what the actual reality of the situation was. People who
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: watched that network and watched the shows and watched for years.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: When I told them what that disparity was, people were like, Oh.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Mind's blown.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: And that's what was hard for me because within the
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: walls over there and the people making decisions, they just
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: didn't see the big deal. So that that was a
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: real gauge for me that when I did get with
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: that board of directors of mine, it really just compelled
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: me to do what I already think I knew I
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: was going to do. Anyway, they just reinforced what I
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: knew at my core. Did anyone tell you not to leave? No,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: no one told me not to leave. My own agents
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: were perplexed and concerned, she's gonna be out of a job.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: We'd better make a little less than nothing at all. Right, So,
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: you know, they didn't say as much, but I think
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: they were a little like, so, you're.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Really gonna leave, You're really really gonna leave?
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: And I was like, Yeah, I'm really gonna leave. And
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: then this gentleman did not tell me not to leave,
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: but don't forget. You know, I had a contract, and
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: you know I didn't want to get sued myself for
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: saying the wrong thing. So I had to seek some
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: legal advice, which I did from a handful of attorneys,
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: and one attorney, uh was very much against me ever
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: saying a word. He did not want me to go public.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: He thought it would be the death of me. I
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: didn't listen to that guy. But but no, no one,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: no one told me not to leave. No one told
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: me not to leave.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: I'm really glad you didn't listen to that guy. Yeah, okay,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: I have some rapid fire questions for you. Okay, so
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: you have the very best taste.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, I have the very best taste. Oh the best.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I have the best. Yeah.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: So, if I could raid three people's closets, in no
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: particular order, it would be Hailey Bieber, Shane Mitchell, and yours.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, swear.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Ruining your mic, everyone's ears at the moment. Haley Biber, same,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Hailey Beber.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Same.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: You just put me in the same category with Haley Beber.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Are you for real?
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Girl? And like you know, she has a full time stylist. Yeah,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: style mave amazing.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Same. Yes, so you're doing this just with your own eye.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Bless you and time. Okay, oh god.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I feel like I don't know what to wear anymore
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: after COVID.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Well, my closet's only going to give you sweatpants right now.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: It's not what it used to be.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: What do we wear to dinner?
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: You're asking me the single mother? Come on, Daniel, single, No,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: that's not how we'd cares.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I mean you are a single mother, you're also a
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: style icon.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: A non dating single mother. I don't know what do
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: we wear to dinner now? Okay, Like, is a blazer
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: still cool? Is it dated?
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: I don't think a blazer's ever going to go out
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: of style. Okay, personally, I don't think a blazer is
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: ever going to go out of style. I am loving
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: this is very much a hilly beaber look. I love
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: when she rocks a blazer with sneakers and like super
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: short shorts. I love that look for summer. I'm so
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: going to be doing that. Okay, I think that's really cute.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: I almost wore sneakers here today, but I thought, come on, Kat,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: get out of the house. You can't keep wearing sneakers
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: and it's cold in La, so I throw on boots
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: with a little heel. But I think at dinner a
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: blazers never a bad idea. Don't wear white at dinner.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know some of my.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Girlfriends that I really trust their their fashion advice. They say,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: you know, don't wear white for dinner. That's a day look.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, I've never heard that.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: All right, that's good.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: One style item you wish would come back, and one
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: you wish that would go away forever.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of like Maxie dresses. Is
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: that weird?
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not either, especially I don't know how to tall
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: you are, but I look like I fell in a hole.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just to me, they're like they kind of
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: they don't do much for anyone's figure. They're not particularly
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: flattering to me. They just they're pretty basic. I guess
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: a good old like printed Maxi dress.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Skip that.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Let's put that away for a while. I'm with you, Yeah,
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: let's put that away. What do I want to say
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: come back?
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Though, I'm going to.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Be completely honest with you. I'm a little bored of
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: fashion right now. Oh interesting, because I you know, we
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: were all living in our sweats for the last year
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: at least, I was I really. I mean, there are
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: some really cute little sets out there, right, they are
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: really cute. I do love the whole sneaker dads sneakery vibe.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: I'm very into shoes, but everything is so either super
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: casual or super glam and there's not a lot of
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: cute stuff in between. I finally I was like, Okay,
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: I'm going to be on camera more for my podcast.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: I got this new virtual show coming out next week,
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: and I'm going to be on camera a lot more
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: starting now. So I was like, I'm shopping and I've
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: been trying to shop, and I'm like, I actually have
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: money to spend and I am not seeing a lot.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: I like, that is truth. I'm a little bored with
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: fashion right now. Maybe that says more about me than
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: what's out there.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: But no, I was trying to buy stuff for Tribeca
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: and it was really tough.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I'm with you.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: I love your leather pants though I do have some
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: black leather pants like what you're wearing, and that's a
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: good go to to not do the jeans right like
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: and if it's they're so sleek and those you can
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: wear with sneakers or flats or your yells. I love
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: a good pair of black leather pants, even though we're
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: heading into summer.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Who cares? Get them on them, love them, wear them,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: feel the same way.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, a book that shifted your perspective that you
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: think everyone should read.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Oh wow, okay, well we're talking about this on my podcast.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: It shows a beautiful day very soon, not at length,
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: but quit like a woman Hollywood occur you write her no,
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: but I keep seeing everyone post this. Jen Atkin became
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: sober because of this book. It's just really well written.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: It's fascinating. Really, you don't have to want to quit
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: drinking to enjoy this book.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Which celebrity has cast a spell over you in an interview? Like?
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Who were you just taken by?
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you mine you a first I had to.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I had a few people.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Gina Rodriguez, I'm like, who, Like, she just has this light.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper very charismatic.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: Johnny Depp. Truly, I mean so we're talking two thousand
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: and five, Johnny Depp, two thousand and six, seven eight,
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Johnny Depp. I mean to be in a room. This
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: was back kids, when movie stars were movie stars. This
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: was not you also love a bad boy. Well, like,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: if we're talking about would not approve your mother would
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: have like kicked me out of the family by now
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: owned a tattoos. You're like, you can't be friends with her.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Your mother tells you about me. Yeah, but he he
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: may have had tattoos, Dan yell, and you're gonna tell
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: your mother the same thing. He was the most respect
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: that I interviewed a lot of guys without tatts, who
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: are real dicks, okay, And here was a guy at
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: the time who in this era of movie stars when
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: he mean these were the krem de la creme of
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: people in Hollywood. There weren't YouTubers, there weren't TikTokers. There
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: didn't matter what you did on your phone. There oh exactly,
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: I mean right, that was when stars were stars, and
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: there were a select few of them. And so to
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: be in a room with him at that time, growing up, yes,
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: loving him, and growing up yes, totally crushing on him.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: To get in the room and realize he was so
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: gracious and thoughtful and looked at every person on the
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: crew and looked people in the eyes and just really
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: wanted to be there like that goes a long way when.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: You're an interviewer, don't you agree, Like you.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: Notice that and you don't feel like they're rushed, You
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: don't feel like they don't want to be there. I mean,
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: how many interviews have we had like that? Like Red
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Carpet Life? So he was wonderful and it wasn't one time,
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: it was several times.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Because that's the other thing.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: People say, well, who is just so disappointing interview? And
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: I hate that question because celebrities are humans too, like
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: they might be terrible on a Monday but great on
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: a Thursday. People, they're going through life just the way
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: we all are. So I hate to make one big,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: conclusive decision about a person being one exchange. But he
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: was pretty great and yes he's a pretty bad boy,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: and we don't even need to talk about what's happened
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: the last several years with him. It's quite unsettling. That's
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: a good word for it. What would you tell thirty
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: year old you?
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, cho?
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: And would you tell me? What would I tell thirty
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: year old me? What I tell you? Yeah? Are you thirty?
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Love that thirty?
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: I could be your mother, no, a young mother, but
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: I could have been your mother m biological.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Well at thirty.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: At thirty, I actually had a pretty big awakening. I
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: was paying attention to this stirring within at the time,
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: which was I was unfulfilled and I was doing local
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: news and I did have two kids, and I was
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: thirty years old, and I was just like, there's something more.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: There was an itch going on, and so I knew
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: that and I couldn't dismiss it. And so thirty was
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: when I picked up the phone and I called my
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: agent in New York. I was living in Indiana at
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: the time, and I said, I think I need some
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: meetings in LA. That's when I changed the trajectory of
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: my life and just said, we don't know unless we
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: try get me some meetings in LA.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: That's really gutsy.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: With two kids, oh, I know, and living in Indiana.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Who hires somebody from Indiana? I mean, no standing in
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: I love all my hooshiers out there listening, but it's
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: like it wasn't the obvious move for me or for
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: any network. So I'm just I'm sharing that in that
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: it was a really pivotal time because I had I
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: not listened to the rumblings going on and whatever that
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: calling was for me, then who knows where my life
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: would have led me. And so I did listen, and
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: thank god I did, and then all the pieces kind
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: of fell into place, and within a year I had
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: moved to LA and got.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: The e job just because I picked up the phone. Okay,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: so we do a pretty smart question. I pick one
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: at random. Yours I'm very excited about because you've been
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: to a lot of good parties. Tell me the best
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: party you've ever been to? Set the stage? Oh god,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: and you can't say Vanity Fair because you worked it.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Because I've only been in LA for like eight years
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: and I'm not even a big partier, but just living here,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: you're like, oh my god, I went to the craziest
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Halloween party. Kate Hudson, everyone was there. Jessica Alba took
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: my photo like.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: I've never gone to that one. You would, Yes, I've never.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: I've always wanted to go. We're gonna get everything that
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: it's supposed to be and more.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: This was actually a different one, but that one is
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: I've seen like Channing at the costam Egos one. Channing
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Tatum was dancing on the floor like Jennifer Lopez. I
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: mean it's like yes, you know, yes, tell me your
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: favorite party.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say Vanity Fair.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Is it really that great? I'll trade you a Cosamigos through.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: A Vanity Fair. It's the coolest party, right, It's pretty special.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: I mean that I've been twice now, and I will
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: just say that of all the things, because we are
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: super spoiled. Especially if we have this kind of access,
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: and we are even just red carpet shall we say, adjacent,
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: you somehow end up at a lot of parties, right, So,
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: but the Vanity Fair, without question, people are there to
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: have fun. They've already won, so there's no pressure. It's
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: not like a pre part it's not like a you know,
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: there's there's nothing feels business about it. It just feels
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: like everyone is high on life and probably other things.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: And it's like elbow to elbow to elbow. It's just
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: one amazing icon after the other, and it's just it.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: It feels, especially for someone like myself, a little girl
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: from Indiana, you know, it feels like being on another
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: planet and like you've just been like transported to another
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: another life that isn't your own, because and then you're
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: dripping and borrowed couture and diamonds, and then you know
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: you're just ordering a drink next to Gaga, and then
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: you know it's Natalie Porman Adam Driver. I remember I've
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: just said wow. And then, by the way, I am
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: not a person. I'm actually quite shy. Dare I say
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: when it comes to like interpersonal things with strangers. And
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: I never ever want to make a celebrity feel awkward
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: and I never want to be rejected either, So I
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: never or go up and say like, oh, could I
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: have a picture?
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Never do that. But I did do that.
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  Speaker 4: I never do it, but I did at that party,
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: and you know, I'm glad that I did.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome. It was pretty special.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, last question, and this doesn't have to be deep.
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  Speaker 3: It's whatever comes to your mind. The smartest decision you've
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: ever made?
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  Speaker 1: Having my first son was he planned? No? Yeah, cool?
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: And I was twenty five, I was you know, had
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: a TV job in San Francisco. I wasn't married like
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: that was you know, that was one of those also
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: life changing altering moments. And it was a terrible pregnancy,
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: poor thing. And so anyway, there was no hesitation, no question,
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  Speaker 4: and to this day, I just every time I see him.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: He's twenty years old. Now, I'm just like, ugh, best
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: thing I ever did.
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  Speaker 1: That's beautiful.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: So I usually end with today is a good day,
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: to have a good day, because Larry King used to
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: say that to me, so you excuse me, thank you
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: to everybody, but also when I was with him, And
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping you can give us a sign off and
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: tell everybody where they can find your new podcast, because
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: it's it's sort of a different beautiful day kind of
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: spin on that.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it sure is a beautiful day. There's a
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: new episode every Tuesday. Very proud of this show. You
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: can find out on all podcast platforms. And the genesis
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: really does stem from there is beauty in every day.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: It's not meant to be like, oh, positive toxicity, you know,
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: like everything has to be good all the time.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: That's not it.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: It's just that you can find the beauty in the
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: small moments around every corner if you look for it,
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: if you're open to it. And the conversations we're having,
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: you know, aren't all light and fun and entertaining, and
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: they're not all super deep and like revolutionary. It's a
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: little bit of everything all over the place, and so far,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: so good. People seem to really be enjoying it, so
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: more to come.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: I'm a loyal listener, so everybody else hit that subscribe button.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Kat.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: Danielle from the Buco to Beppo at the Grove with
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: Chris Jenner. Here we are again. The sequel was so meaningful.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: I will not forget this time.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: You still have so much soul you.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks all right, today's a good day to have a
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: good day.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: I'll see you next week.