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Impressions of Alien Intelligence | Dr. Paul Smith · Ryder Lee

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and Psychic Spy Program. Returning guests to the show, Doctor Paul Smith,
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welcome back. It's good to see you, my friend. Nice to be
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here too. It's always fun to be on board with you. So yeah,
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thanks for coming on. It's been a minute almost a year now and
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we did meet at in person at Contact in the Desert last year, which
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was really cool, and I sat in on your lecture which was very interesting
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lecture. What will you be lecturing about this year at Contact? Well,
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the plan is to talk about remote viewing and UAP UFO associations. So,
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you know, half the time, I never know whether to say UAP or
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UFO, depends on the audience. I guess your folks are probably well acquainted
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with the UAP acronym. Am I right in assuming that, yes, And
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I think that it's interesting with the UFOs UAP title because I'm pretty sure that
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the original name switch came from Project blue Book because it was called Flying Saucers,
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and then it was changed UFO by the Air Force and Project blue Book
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to encompass more of the phenomenon, and then they changed it again to UAP
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to encompass more of the phenomenon. Yeah. So have you guys talked about
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why they made that change from UFO to UAP. Yeah. I mean,
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from my personal opinion, I think that it was to encompass more of the
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phenomenon. You get more things under the banner of UAP than with UFO.
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It can encompass plasma, I can encompass a lot more things than just UFO.
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Yeah, it is a that. The problem is the original term is
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it brings with it some embedded assumptions. Right when you say unidentified flying objects,
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which of course what UFO stands for, then you make two assumptions.
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First of all, that it's flying and the same all that it's an object.
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But we don't know that it always consists in either of those things.
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So because it's in the air, we assume flying, but it doesn't necessarily
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mean it's flying. It may be propagating through the air in a mode that
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might not really be flying in a sense that we might mean that. And
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of course objects. I'm convinced that a lot or maybe all of these things
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are objects, but they may not be in the first case, maybe they
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just appear to be objects. In the same case, maybe some of their
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objects but other ones aren't. And as you've mentioned, plasma and some kind
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of plasma artifact I guess I don't know or flat plasma phenomenon might account for
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some of these observations. So changing it to UAP eliminates all that assumed theoretical
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basis as to what the things are, and allows us to talk about in
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a freer way. I guess you could say, yeah, because phenomenon can
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be a merriad of things. Object means a physical object, so unidentified flying
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object you assume that it's a physical phenomenon. And then with UAP it's different.
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It's encompasses the entire phenomenon because the phenomenon title is in the name of
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UAP. Have you looked into because I really think that where the phenomenon in
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general is kind of heading, is more of a USO based narrative, like
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they're going to start, you know, talking about more of usos and these
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objects coming out of this phenomenon again, coming up out of the water or
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going back down into the water. Have you looked into any of that?
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Well? Sorry, sorry, I got a little congestion going on here,
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but looked into Yeah. I mean I haven't consciously gone after it, but
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I have been directed in those directions. I'll tell you about a case where
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I was asked a remote view a what would count as a USO. But
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let me tell you that story later. Recently, I had the opportunity to
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present to a remote viewing worship workshop for an organization up in Park City,
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Utah, and of course everybody knows that that Utah is the home state for
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a Skinwalker Ranch. And one of the folks on the program besides myself was
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Brandon Fugel, who owned Skinwalker Ranch. And I'm not going to go into
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a lot of detail about this about the rest of what he said, but
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he did show a video which was he showed the raw footage off of the
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GoPro that was attached to his helicopter during one particular event that they filmed.
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And the it's been aired on the program. We've seen it on on what's
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the name of the thing, Secret of Skinwalker Ranch on the History Channel.
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Yeah, yeah, on the History Channel. I keep forgetting because there's a
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bunch of different Skinwalker Ranch things. I keep forgetting which one that is.
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But I think it's I think it's a Secret of Our Secrets or Secret of
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Skinwalker Rane. Right, So anyway, they've showed it, but in a
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pretty low resolution. He showed the original raw footage and Yep, that was
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impressive. I have to tell you. It showed an object going from and
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we'll call it UAP. It was a very bright point of light going from
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Oh, I'd say roughly I have to think about this roughly about two o'clock,
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but at a high elevation from the perspective of the camera and plunging earthward
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at a high rate of speed towards the top of the Mesa. And I'd
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say lit'sten know, this would be the east end of the Mesa, away
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from the ranch, and it's coming down to a high rate of speed,
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and as it approaches the top of the Mesa, the Mesa itself at that
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point that was opposite of it starts to glow. There's this answering glow that
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kind of moves up into the sky a little ways, and then this object
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merges with the glow disappears into the Mesa. At least that's what it looked
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like. And literally just a second or two later, that thing comes shooting
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out the base of the Mesa. At this point, instead of vertically,
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it's coming horizontally across the ground, but up in the air. I don't
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know, my estimate would say one hundred meters or so. It's coming out
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at the same rate of speed towards and passes under the helicopter and it's just
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like it emerged from the solid sandstone. That this thing's made out of that
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the mace is made out of. And I'll tell you I was astonished,
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I really was. And this video. Now, I've seen a lot of
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purported UFO videos. Some of them are fairly persuasive, a lot of them
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are very obviously faked, and probably the most of them, it's hard to
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tell if they're faked or not because they're so freaking blurry. Paul, Like,
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it's always astonishing, Paul that a lot of the UFO footage looks like
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it's filmed on the early two thousands flip phone. Yeah, you're telling me
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that we that all this footage is super blurry. And the only reason that
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I can come to that the reason that the footage is so blurry is because
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the footage is fake and they're trying to hide something within the footage by making
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the footage very blurry. Well that's quite possible. Now, some of the
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stuff that I'm referring to isn't necessarily blurry. It's just not clearly real.
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It could be, but you could think of ways where it might not be.
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You know, it's not, it's not it's not sortifiably real footage.
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This that that that Brendan showed, I could not see any way you could
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fake that. This was something that all other, you know, possibilities excluded.
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This was as close to real as anything I've seen in terms of UFO
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footage, and I was very interesting. Now he had a name for it,
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and your folks that have probably heard the name that maybe you have to
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it. He called it a trans material UAP. I have to say that
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was the first time I heard that term. I heard USO and UAP and
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UFO, but I'd not heard let's see, that would be t m U
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right, trans material UAP. I had not heard that term before. But
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it's very an applicable term, and it works well with usos as well,
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because technically a USO is also a trans material UAP. But if you think
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about it, any kind of UFR U a P is trans material unless you're
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outside the atmosphere of the Earth, when you're in deep space and there's no
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material for it to be going through. And of course we don't have many
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or any real observational instances of something that's in deep space like that. There's
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been claims made and who knows, but most of what we observe is either
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in the atmosphere itself or it is coming into and going out of the atmosphere
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through the sea or other water body of water, or in this case,
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is then going through solid rock. At least the appearance was going through.
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Now again as with an identified aerial phenomena on the acronym itself, it appeared
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to go through solid rock. Maybe it didn't. You know, until we
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have some really solid analytical tools and a sufficient data, it's hard for her
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to say whether it was really traveling through this material, this substance or not.
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But it certainly to all observational indications it was going through the rock.
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It did go through the rock. Did this look like a solid object or
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did it look like a light, like a bright light, because that's something
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that a lot of people couldn't about Mount Shasta as well. Yeah, Mount
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Shasta is like an extraterrestrial portal. And the ancient civilization of Lameria and Atlanta's
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live inside of Mount Shasta and there's light orbs that go into the side of
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the mountain all the time, and it's like this extraterrestrial base. So let's
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say it this way. It its appearance included a very bright light, very
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bright and seemingly pretty clear, distinct light, whether that was a light associated
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with an object, whether the object was itself rating that light, I don't
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know, or maybe it was just singularly a light. And of course they're
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you know, from just looking at it can't tell if the UAP is not
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lit up. It's very unusual that anyone could see it, right, I
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mean, it's just we need to have the light to be able to recognize
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that there's something there, particularly the ones we see in the dark. Now,
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it's quite possible that we see UAPs all the time during the day,
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but they're so faint because it's light bright, the sun is shining, and
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they aren't as easy to pick out during the daylight hours. But at night,
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when the contrast is very significant, then maybe we see the light better.
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Again, there are obviously instances of UAPs being spotted during the day,
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and sometimes they're spotted because they are very bright during the day, and oftentimes
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it's because they're opaque and there's enough ambient illumination that you can tell that there's
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something there. You know, you can't say one size fits all for any
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of this stuff, you know, there's so many different instances of it.
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But so that goes back to your question was it just a light or was
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it an object that was lit up? I don't know. I'm inclined to
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think it was an object just because the way it behaved, I mean,
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at least the way we understand physical universe. In order for a light to
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behave in the way, this behavior has to be attached to something, which
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implies an object. So I guess that's where I'm going with this ultimately.
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But then that brings into the question of if this phenomenon is extraterrestrial, which
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I personally don't believe that it's extraterrestrial. But if it is, and we're
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under the assumption that it is extraterrestrial, why would these extraterrestrials be driving around
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with big bright lights on their craft if they don't want to be seen?
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See? I take that so you're posing that almost as a rhetorical question,
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which means the answer is implied in the question, So why would they do
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doing that? That must mean X, Y, E Z, whatever you
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want it to mean. But I take it as more of an empirical question.
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If these things are extraterrestrials, why would they be navigating it. Let's
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use navigate to avoid the flying word. Why we would they be navigating around
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with this bright line and let's they want an advertise or something, right,
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Well, I mean it's possible. Let's hypothesize or let's speculate it a couple
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of reads. One might be that their means of problem that of locomotion.
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Their means of moving around, to use the best term we have, may
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require a lot of visible spectrum radiation light radiation, right, and so they
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can't move without making a bright light just because of the physics of whatever that
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is they're using. That's one speculative possibility. Another one is that, in
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fact, they do want themselves to their their craft or whatever to be seen
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for whatever purposes. They want us to recognize that they're there, and we
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don't know what those purposes are yet. So that's a second speculative possibility.
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Let's see if I can think of something and if you can think of something
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else, chime in. I mean, those are two I think reasonable possibilities.
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It's just like if if they don't want to I mean, we're under
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the speculatory notion that if they are indeed extraterrestrials, they don't want to be
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known because they haven't landed. They haven't really shown themselves physically to the population,
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Then it's speculatory in that way. And then it's also well, if
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they don't want to be known, then why would they drive around? I
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mean, And your answer to that is maybe that something with their craft creates
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the light itself and they're not actually able to get rid of the light altogether.
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But then you talk about you know, people claim that they have like
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a like a cloaking ability of their craft as well. So it's so cloaking
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is also a speculation. We don't know if they do. People say,
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oh, yeah, they do, Well, how do you know that?
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Have you actually captured one? And there are people say who we have,
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but that hasn't been publicized. So someone out there in the media world who
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says yeah, yeah, they've got a cloaking device, where say, well,
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how do you know, Well, some aliens from Zeta ridiculate told me
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that, Well, okay, you know, I mean, that's not impossible
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they did. But I'd have to see much better evidence than just your claim
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that some alien told you that. Right, Oh, what do you say
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in Paul that you don't believe all these extraterrestrial channelers. Paul, come on,
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I'm just joking. Yeah, there's a lot of claim I mean,
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really almost all this is speculatory and theory. I mean, we have really
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zero proof of extraterrestrial involvement. And you know, I mean, at least
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publicly had zero proof. I have no idea what there is privately or secretly
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held. Maybe there is, but publicly, as far as we know,
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there's no proof. Well, they've kind of been saying the same thing since
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the very beginning, with Project Grudge and Project Sign and Project blue Book and
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the most recent UAP historical record from Errow, and now they've kind of changed
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it to where they publicly say that its majority of it is military craft,
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military drones or misidentified military craft. It's pretty much what they what they've been
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saying, which they've kind of been alluding to that all along, but now
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they say which I don't really know if there was ever a point that they
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actually denied the phenomenon existed. I think that what they were trying to do
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was deny that it was extraterrestrial, which makes more sense to me. Yeah,
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and I think that that it's legitimate to say that at least a large
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percentage of what people are saying are you know, military test aircraft phenomena,
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misidentified phenomena, you know, meteorolog meteorological phenomena, stuff like that. I
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think there are a lot of reports of u aps UFOs that really are explainable
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that way, there's any question about that. But even the government investigators have
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been releasing these reports acknowledge that there is at least a small subset that they
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have not been able to explain that way. And I appreciate that amount of
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honesty that they express that they're willing at least to go that far. Now,
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of course, then you get the the skeptical of scientists and government officials
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who say, well, because you can explain all of them as that,
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then that must mean right, because you can explained most of them that way,
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that makes mean then they all are that way, that they all are
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explainable in those terms. Just we just haven't found that that solution all that
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explanation yet. And see, that's that's actually not a scientific attitude. That's
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essentially a non falsified, falsifiable premise. And uh, and if you can't
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falsify a claim, then you can't assume that your interpretation is going to be
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correct. You have to allow the possibility that there might really be something to
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it. So yeah, I probably chew that one to death here. So
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well, I mean that's what Jay Allen Heineg's problem was with Project Grudge and
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Project Sign. And I had Paul heinekhon last week, which which is his
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son, and that was his issue with it, was that Project Grudge and
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Project Sign he claimed was in on unscientific endeavor into the phenomenon itself. Yeah.
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So, I mean I got to meet him at Star Warks. She's
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two or three years ago. I guess I'm glad you were able to have
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him on your show. Yeah, he's very very intelligent manning. He had
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really good things to say. So not to really get too much off topic
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here, but kind of in another direction and more with remote viewing and UFOs
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and I kind of want to confirm or deny a speculatory thing that's been running
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around since the early two thousands that involved THEDIA and Army Intelligence remote viewing program,
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which was that Jim Maher's at a lecturer he was given in the early
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two thousands. He said that apparently Skip at Water got some coordinates of some
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alien bases that supposedly pat Price and Ingo Swan had remote viewed and gave those
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coordinates to some of the remote viewers at Fort Mead to also remote view Is
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this true or false? No, that's true. Yeah, So a couple
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of things happened back then. Now, I want to first to reassure you
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there was some loose gun remote viewing a few of UFOs that happened at Fort
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Meade, and then there were some carefully done, relatively legitimate remote viewing of
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UFOs and ups and such done there. And Skip was very careful to do
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this in a legitimate way. And in fact, my talk at Contact is
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going to be show examples of some of the less credible ones and the more
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credible ones. And Skip did get so put off was the one that was
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keep with the keys with the Pat Price UFO work. In fact, i'll
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tell you briefly. I'll also actually give a clip show a clip during my
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talk where I interview Hall where he explains how this all came to be with
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Pat Price. So one day, Pat Price walks into the office at SRI
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and says, well, you know, I got a little board last night,
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and I'm paraphrasing here, obviously I got a little board last night,
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I decided to kind of scout around the planet to see where if I can
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find a UFO basis, And I found four. And he throws his papers
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on the desk and talks to how, explains how what he found. And
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he was never tasked to do that by the Sri researchers or CIA or anybody
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else. That's something he just did on his own for a lark as house
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calls it. And there were four of them. Mount Pinatubo in in the
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Pyrenees, there's a mountain zeal in Australia, Mount Hayes, and Alaska,
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and then there's a mountain in I want to say Zimbabwe, but I can't
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remember the name of it. And Skip actually had a number of us,
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gave us the lat longs and had us remote view these locations without us having
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any idea what was there or what was allegedly there, and some of us
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provided some really provocative kind of information. I I and mel Riley are the
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ones I found the best material from. That's probably not good English, im
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mel Ronie, but whatever. So both of us reported a cavern like passageway
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into the mountain, and this was the Mount Hayes site and both of us
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discovered people. We call them p people and I said people. I said,
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I'm not exactly sure there are people in the normal sense, but you
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know they're people, right, So so anyway, and we talked about them,
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and uh, and and apparatus technology and stuff and uh, that's again
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some of the things I'll talk about when I get to when I get to
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contact anyway, and then there were some other things he had this remote view
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as well that didn't evolve that price. But so that's the that's the the
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very basic confirmation. Yes, in fact, that did happen. And I
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think the data produced was at least I'm not gonna say it was one hundred
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percent accurate, because no remote viewing ever is one hundred percent accurate, or
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let's just say very rarely is ever a remote viewing one hundred percent accurate.
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There are probably a few exceptions. But the data was actually collected in an
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appropriate way, and I think that at least some of it was trustworthy.
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So interesting stuff. Did you view all four of these UFO bases on Earth?
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You mentioned one in Australia, Antarctica, Africa, Well, none in
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Antarctica. Nothing in Antarctica. Was that not a part of his original No,
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it wasn't were temperate zone. There was a Europe, Africa of Alaska,
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and Australia. Those are the four. It was Alaska and Antarctica.
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My fault. Yeah, I'm going off of memory here, and it's difficulty
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that rumor could have got an Antarctica location attached to it. Rumors tend to
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do that. Let me say this, I'm having a bit of a medical
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issue. I have to have a hip replacement replaced. But I've heard that
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rumor coming in from all kinds of directions where I fell down on broke my
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hip, or I had an accident, my hip was broken or whatever.
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You know. Yeah, it's not quite as extreme as that, although it
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might have been easier if that had happened. They'd be starting from scratch that
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way. But rumors tend to grow with the telling and right and snowball into
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something that it was not to be. But that's why we got you on,
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Paul, because you were you were officially there. You were officially a
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part of this DIA Army Intelligence Stargate project, even though Stargate project it wasn't
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always called that. We're just using that as reference of course here so there
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were four bases that Pat Price originally, let's say it this way. Pat
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Price reported on their being four bases. Were there, Well, we haven't
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confirmed that, although there is some interesting corroborating information. Of course, there's
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the work that Mel and I did on Mount Hayes. And when when Pat
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gave this info to how how happened to know? Was how? I think
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the CIA guy they were interacting with, who may have been Kit Green at
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the time, knew the station, the CIA station chief out in Central Australia,
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and so he called him up and said, hey, George or whatevery
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name was. He says, hey, George, I'm interested in that in
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that area up around Mount zeal And. The station chief allegedly responded, oh,
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you mean that place where the UFOs are always flying around up there.
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And so Hal took that as not confirmation but very interesting circumstantial evidence that maybe
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there was something too what Pat had reported. Now, when you viewed one
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of these facilities, was this a underground facility? So it was first of
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all, I both Mel and I identified that it was a mountain. It
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was very tall and what we were accessing was part way up the mountain.
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And so what we're talking about is let me say, like a tunnel that's
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probably about the best waders grab at a tunnel that went back into the into
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the mountain, and that much we agreed on. Uh. Mail got a
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little more detail, and I saw I'm going to move around here a little
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bit. Mail got a little more detail than I did. Uh, Well,
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it depends you got more detail on some things. I got more detail
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on other things. But I determined that back in this. Of course,
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this tunnel widens up into a big space, a chamber, a cavern,
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if you will, whatever, And there are people in here, and they
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were dealing with stuff, and I had the impression that what their main focus
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was maintenance and repair. And in fact it was interesting because you so,
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I've been in the Army for a while by then, and I knew that
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military personnel very often are never happy with where they're station, no matter how
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nice it is. I've had folks who get sent to Hawaiian stationed in Hawaii,
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and and I've heard them say, oh, I hate this place.
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I don't want to be here. It's just so boring and blah blah blah.
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Right, and then they'll say I really want to be up at Fort
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Lewis up in Washington State, and then they get to Washington State and they
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say, oh, I really hate it here. I don't like this place
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is so boring. You know. Obviously it's not the place that's the problem
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is, it's the person. But I got kind of a bit of a
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feeling from these people. It's like they they were deployed, what we would
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say deployed in the military. They were deployed away from home, presumably a
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long way away from home, and they were here and they didn't really want
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to be here. They had this tedious job to do. They had to
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do I don't know, change oil and a flying saucer, I don't know,
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and there here and they're feeling just kind of I don't know, I
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can hardly wait till I can get out of here and go home again or
31:04
whatever. And I'm getting that feeling. And what they're working on were these
31:08
objects. And I would frankly, this was of course done in nineteen it
31:18
was probably no later than nineteen eighty four. In fact, I'm sure it
31:21
was nineteen eighty four or maybe nineteen eighty five. When I'm doing this and
31:26
I'm sketching this thing that if you look at the sketch that sketches that people
31:30
are making of the UAPs. That sketch matched their description. It was like
31:37
two kind of a clamshell with a center line around it. The interesting thing
31:42
is I had not seen Pat Price's work at that point. I never did
31:47
see his stuff until about twenty ten, roughly, which I got to see
31:52
a hall showed it to me, and his sketch of one of these objects
32:00
really match my sketch of one of these objects. And of course he had
32:05
never met me, and I'd never met him. I've never seen his work.
32:07
He clearly had never seen my work because he was dead before I ever
32:09
got into this stuff, And so that was kind of a confirmation to me.
32:16
Whether it counts to scientific confirmation, probably not, but it is evidence.
32:22
It's pretty pretty solid evidence of a sort. And they had these things
32:30
in there, and these things were not sitting on the ground. It's like
32:34
they're hovering. If I'm remembering this session right, I haven't looked at it
32:38
in a long time, but I'm pretty sure it was this session I'm telling
32:43
you about that they were just kind of like when they weren't being used,
32:45
they were just sitting there hovering a foot or two off the ground. They're
32:49
sitting there, right, And when they needed to do something with them or
32:55
whatever, then they would go out and just kind of push them around,
33:00
move by, pushing one over here and then another one over here, you
33:02
know. And I guess that was like when they were updating the avionics on
33:07
them or or whatever the presumably alien equivalent of our maintenance procedures on aircraft and
33:13
stuff are. It was really quite a fascinating and of course, then afterwards,
33:21
when did he tell me what the target was? I don't even remember
33:23
when Skip gave me feedback on it. It was a while before he told
33:28
me. And that was a surprise. It was quite a surprise and kind
33:35
of a vindication because I felt like I was getting something was correct, but
33:39
I didn't have any evidence, and I was coming to feel like this was
33:45
not something Well, fairly quickly came to feel this is not something normal.
33:49
There's not something you would would normally expect to find on an everyday target.
33:53
So did you did you get the impression that this was no military or something
34:01
else. Well, and now I'm thinking I'm talking from forty years ago,
34:07
right, I have to go back to the session to tell you. But
34:12
I feel fairly confident in saying this. I got the impression that was at
34:16
the very least organized, that it was not just you know, like a
34:21
lot of civilian things are. They're sort of ad hoc, fly by not
34:25
kind of a deal. This was certainly structured, organized in a way,
34:30
kind of regimented, and it certainly could be military. I mean military,
34:36
and that's that's one of our terms, right you say it's military, it's
34:42
one of our terms. And if you think about military, even in our
34:45
terms, can mean a lot of things. I mean, we think of,
34:47
for example, Star Trek, you know, I think Star Trek is
34:51
the military organization. And of course they get out and they shoot at things
34:53
and get shot at and whatever. But their main mission, allegedly is not
34:58
to do the shooting. It's to avoid shooting and to do research and rescue
35:02
people and that kind of thing. And I guess that's military function. It's
35:07
just and this could have been that kind of thing, kind of like a
35:14
organized, regimented kind of a exploration. And let's see, what are the
35:22
word we use in and at least, you know, having a presence in
35:27
a certain location without necessarily worrying about being any kind of fight or conflict or
35:32
whatever. I guess that's a long answer to your question. I sort of
35:37
military, I guess now i'd shortly answer it couldn't possibly be military. Do
35:44
you remember what Pat Price had said in his nose on did he describe what
35:51
he felt like that it was? Well, here's the interesting thing, and
35:55
I don't recall in detail right now, but I do know that he sort
36:00
of identified purposes or functions for each of the sites, and one of them
36:05
was repair and maintenance. And so I'm getting this impression, of course,
36:12
ten years after Pat Price had died, and fifteen years or no, twenty
36:19
five years before I even got any feedback on this, and yet I'm calling
36:25
it, you know, a maintenance repair facility. So I really should go
36:30
back and see if I can verify which one of these places Pat thought was
36:34
a repair maintenance facility, because it certainly matched what I was getting on Mount
36:38
Hayes. Well, then you have I mean, maintenance repair facility is kind
36:46
of ambiguous. I mean, it could be a maintenance repair facility for the
36:52
military or for military aircraft. I guess the question would be, is how
36:57
do you relate a meanness of repair facility to some sort of UFO or sure.
37:07
So now I may push back a bit on saying it's ambiguous. I
37:10
mean, maintenance and repair in almost any activity pretty much is the same thing.
37:15
Now, the activities may be different, their parts might be different,
37:20
what needs to be repaired maintained could be different, but the concept of maintenance
37:23
and repair is pretty much always the same. I mean a a over the
37:29
road trucking company in you know, a civilian trucking company really has pretty much
37:34
the same kind of conceptually the same kind of maintenance repair tasks as does an
37:40
armored battalion, you know, an army tank battalion. It's just what you
37:45
do that maintenance repair on maybe different, and its purpose may be different.
37:51
And I don't know if I can go into detail, and in fact,
37:53
I know I can't go into detail as what kinds of aspects of its repair
38:00
involved here other than and I'm and of course i'm kind of off the top
38:04
of my head here, other than thinking in terms of just making these things,
38:08
making sure these things can fulfill their mission, whatever that is. And
38:12
I couldn't tell you what their mission was, make sure they were ready,
38:16
their mission ready, and you could say that was true in the about a
38:20
tank as much as you can say it's true about a Peterbilt semi right,
38:24
right, And so yeah, that's probably the best I can do with that.
38:30
But I don't I didn't feel like maintenance repair was a particularly ambiguous concept
38:35
here. What it was they were maintaining and repairing? Okay, well I
38:40
did a sketch of it. They be hovering over the floor. I don't
38:45
know what else to tell you, right right, all right, that makes
38:49
sense absolutely, and from my understanding, also along with the coordinates that supposedly
38:58
Skip out water brought in to give some of the remote viewers out of the
39:02
d i A and Army intelligence at Fort Apparently, now again this is speculation,
39:07
and I want you to confirm more deny. Apparently someone was also having
39:14
some of the remote viewers view targets off world like Mars and the Moon.
39:23
Is that true or false? That's also true. Now, I don't remember
39:29
Skip doing that all that much with us. So there's another part to the
39:34
saga. I told you about the bat price stuff. Another thing that we
39:37
got early, relatively early on. So you know, the the JPL photographs
39:46
the face on the moon and the Pyramids and all that stuff that Richard Hugland
39:52
got a lot of traction out about. Other people as well. Put off
39:59
was given an early it was given early access to those photos. He had
40:07
pretty much all of them, and he passed them along or maybe got copy
40:13
sent to Skip Outwater and Skip did run folks on on the unique features that
40:23
were depicted in these photographs. There's this It keeps popping up all the time
40:30
and people act like it's the first time they ever saw it, and they
40:34
get all excited, like, oh, do you know the CIA was remote
40:37
viewing Mars a million years ago? Right? And okay, yeah, we
40:42
heard that story last week, and we heard it a month ago, and
40:45
we heard it the year before last, and we heard it back in nineteen
40:50
ninety six when it was first released. And yeah, you know, just
40:52
because you not heard it before, it doesn't mean that everybody else hasn't heard
40:57
it before. Classic regurgitation everything within the community. Yes, and the recent
41:05
one example of that is of course the Gateway Project. People are all excited
41:07
about that paper. We won't go into that today, so that's off topic.
41:10
But a lot of confusion there. There's a huge amount of confusion.
41:15
So Anyway, the session they're talking about is a session Skip Backwater did with
41:22
Joe mcmonagall at the Monroe Institute. So towards the end of Joe's career,
41:27
the last I want to say six months, at least four months, maybe
41:30
six months, they got a contract with the Monroe Institute too for Joe to
41:36
go down there regularly and they would explore the possibilities of using HEMI sink and
41:40
remote viewing in the way Joe did remote viewing back then with Skip monitoring sometimes
41:47
Bob with Bob Monroe is monitoring and such, and Skip used that opportunity to
41:52
test this out. And one of the targets was, well, i'll Skip
41:57
to tell you better than I could, but I want to say it was
42:00
the Pyramids, the photo with the pyramids, and so he U, I'm
42:06
starting to really get kind of uncomfortable here. We'll see how much longer this
42:08
is gonna last. So so it runs Joe on and of course Joe famously
42:15
described these aliens underground who were actually dead but they but they were still perceivable,
42:22
and it was like Skip had him keep regressing back, you know,
42:25
a long ways into the past, and and uh and was this on the
42:30
was this on the Moon or Mars. These are the JPL photos. These
42:35
are all Martian photos of the Martian surface. JPL, for maybe people listening
42:43
at I explaining, JPL stands for Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and they were and
42:46
maybe still are the ones behind a lot of our space probes. They they
42:52
their mission was to to get these things, these projects together, and get
42:57
them launched out there and then analyze that that that we got from them.
43:00
And one of these was so I'm going to I'm going to my memories really
43:07
hosed on this, but I think that the project actually was in the early
43:10
eighties, and so the fact that we got these photos in eighty four,
43:15
they were pretty fresh at the time. Anyway, JPL photos and SKIP targeted
43:22
Joe on the Pyramids and they went back in time and they had these Joe
43:28
got these impressions of aliens underground and who were at the time of Dying Race,
43:32
and so the assumption was they were dead by the time, you know,
43:36
we got the JPL photographs and so on. That's one certifiable instance where
43:42
SKIP did have somebody remote viewing off planet. And I think there are more,
43:49
I just I'm not sure which ones they are. He's working on a
43:53
book with one of my associates, Jana Rocca, German, student of mine
44:00
and assistant, called Project eighty one hundred. That's SKIP had accumulated all of
44:07
his UFO related and remote viewing related material where it came together, right and
44:15
there, I hope, I'm okay seeing this. It's not ready for prime
44:21
time yet, but that's they're working on it, so that should that'll be
44:24
interesting and all that material will be in there and I so, so let
44:30
me, I've been taking a long time talking about this. Let me skip
44:35
over to other people, mainly Ed Dames. So Ed Dames came on board
44:42
three years after I did. He joined the program three years after I did,
44:46
and he was there for three years. Left in I've got in my
44:52
book Reading the Enemy's Mind. Actually, I think it's even in my other
44:55
book, The Essential Guide to Remote Viewing. One are the other both we'll
45:00
give you the details on this. But he joined the program at the end
45:05
of January in nineteen eighty six, and he left again. I think at
45:07
the end of nineteen eighty eight he was transferred out. But during that time
45:14
he got all excited about UFOs and remote viewing. The idea, of course,
45:19
and you'll hear me mention this the contact, assuming I'm not in the
45:22
middle of gaving surgery at the time, in the middle of contact, and
45:28
in contact, I'm going to talk about this. But anytime you have a
45:34
mystery like UFOs, it's always tempting to use an enigma like remote viewing to
45:37
try and solve it. And so that's what people often did. They well,
45:42
started with Dames primarily, but it was a little bit with Pat Price
45:45
and Ingo Swan as well. Here we have this UFO problem and it seems
45:50
intractable using our conventional means of collecting information. So what do Caen you do?
45:55
Well, let's try remote viewing. So I tried remote viewing it.
45:59
But Ed was way ahead of the game of that. He had us remote
46:02
viewing stuff that questionable if it even existed, but he was persuaded it did.
46:07
And and one of those things was all this stuff off planet. I
46:13
mean, he had his remote viewing things on Mars, and I don't think
46:15
he had access to the JPL photos. I think this is the stuff that
46:20
he thought was there. I know one he had to target me on Titan,
46:25
the moon of I want to say Saturn is I forget which one it
46:30
is. Hey, you know I had me. I don't think you ever
46:35
had me remote view of the Moon, although Ingo actually asked me to help
46:38
him with a couple of lunar projects. Remote view of the Moon a bunch
46:45
of stuff. One of his famous amongst us, and has actually become famous
46:50
out there in the remote viewing worlds, where he has remote viewing the Supreme
46:54
Galactic Council. Now, as bars I can tell, he had really no
47:01
reason at all to think that there was such a thing as the Council,
47:07
but he'd come to believe that there was, and so he had us remote
47:10
viewing the Supreme Galactic Council. Now, for a remote viewer, that's really
47:15
highly annoying. We don't want to be doing targets that you don't even know
47:22
for sure exist would be a total waste of time. And you're remote viewing
47:30
I don't know that an incident that happened just on the Earth that never really
47:34
happened, and they task you on that and then you find out afterwards there
47:39
was no such event at all. You want to kill the guy who told
47:43
you to do was at least figuratively kill, right, And so I have
47:50
no idea why he thought there was a Supreme Galactic Council. He'd been reading
47:53
your Antia book at the time, and I don't know. I've not read
47:58
the book. I mean, it's like twenty five pages long, so big
48:02
book. Have you read the whole thing. I haven't read the whole thing.
48:07
I haven't read the first pages, but I know pretty much the concept
48:10
of it, and a lot of people rip it off. A lot of
48:14
people rip off to ranch your book and try and take its ideas for their
48:17
own. Well, it's possible something like as Supreme Galactic councils mentioned, and
48:22
that I don't know, maybe because because he was a real almost say fanatic,
48:28
that's probably not the right word. He is very devoted to reading that
48:30
book. I'm pretty sure he he digested the whole thing, the entire ranch
48:36
of book. But if that's the only place I can think of where he
48:39
would come up with the idea there there might be supreme But anyway he had
48:45
he had to remote you the Supreme Galactic Council. And of course, anytime
48:52
you divide by zero, you can end up with anything, And I think
48:55
that's kind of what happened with this is that every viewer had a whole different,
49:00
you know, response to that tasking. And of course you didn't.
49:02
We didn't know it was the Supreme Supreme Galactic Council. Is what we're supposed
49:06
to be remote viewing. We were just given a set of numbers and said
49:08
have at it, and uh, you know before probably on the last interview,
49:14
in fact, I might even explained how we how that works. But
49:17
anyway, yeah, wow, I had you had everyone remote viewing the Supreme
49:22
Colactive Council. That does at least subsist wild. That's so wild then,
49:28
But then what happens if you like, get something on that and it's a
49:32
figment of someone's imagination. Does that diminish the science of remote viewing? It
49:40
all? Whenever you're seeing something that it's not even factually there. It does
49:45
in the eyes of people who are already skeptical. But if you understand what
49:51
can happen in a situation like this, the thing I call telepathic over Actually,
49:54
Ingo Swan, the guy who created remote viewing the first place, coined
49:59
that term. Telepathic overlay happens when there's a number of ways it can happen,
50:06
But in this particular case, when a viewer is tasked on a target
50:13
that actually is non existent, that doesn't exist, then there's subconscious gets out
50:17
there and says, there's nothing here. Well, they wouldn't have sent me
50:22
out here if they they aren't expecting me to find something. Well, where
50:25
is it? It starts looking around, and so what happens is the next
50:30
most powerful psychic signal attracts the subconscious, the viewer subconscious, and if it's
50:36
the case of Ed Dames believing that there is a supreme collactic Council, then
50:42
the viewer subconscious latches onto that belief and says, oh, this must be
50:47
it. There's this very strong signal about this thing. And they wouldn't say,
50:54
you know, the subconsci wouldn't identify as supreme collective council, but as
50:59
a group of the entities are working, why blah blah blah. Right,
51:02
And so then the viewers starts reporting back to this perception that they're getting out
51:07
of Ed Dames's own mind and reporting that back, and of course then that
51:12
confirms what I'm using Ed Dames collectively here now, you know, then reports
51:16
back on what is in the tasker's mind. And then the tasker that tasker
51:23
takes that as confirmation that what he or she believed about this thing is true.
51:29
And yet all this being fed back is that person's beliefs that they already
51:32
had in the first place. So, wow, that's really interesting. Telepathic
51:37
overlay is what that's going. Yeah, telepathic overlay. So that means that
51:44
someone's belief in something can be just as it can create something out of nothing.
51:52
Well, nothing is being created other than a perception of some kind,
51:58
right, And it's not even a concrete perception. It's an intentional perception,
52:02
I guess you could say. And so you know, it's a sort of
52:08
a it's information of a sort I guess you could say, it's just not
52:14
concrete information that solid, real, verifiable, objective information, as we hopefully
52:22
will usually get in a remote viewing session. But how many I mean this
52:28
is just hypothetical and theory, but how many people would it take believing in
52:35
a fake event in order for someone to or like anything fake? Like you
52:44
know that there's a giant spaghetti monster that crashed in Washington in nineteen fifty two,
52:50
how many people would it take to actually believe in that event in order
52:54
for someone to see that event? Well, The first thing I'm going to
53:00
say is your question almost sounds like a light bulb joke. How many people
53:02
would take to screw in a light bulb the spaghetti monster light bulb? Right?
53:07
Right? But I mean if you're taking into consideration that one person can
53:10
create something that but you would think by the more people that believe in something,
53:15
the easier would it be to see that event. Well, we could
53:19
take Roswell, for example, a lot of people. Yeah, that's a
53:22
possibility. In fact, I am reluctant ever to remote vi some recent sensational,
53:30
widely publicized event, because there can be a kind of a cultural overlay
53:37
development by that which a lot of people. Well, what more happens is
53:45
it generates a whole lot of, if you will, psychic noise. There's
53:49
all kinds of police flying around, attentions flying around, and stuff that pollute
53:53
or contaminate the actual data. It's also out there trying to compete and so
54:01
generally speaking, and people say, well, if you're remo, if you'd
54:05
whatever happened to what was that of three seventy what was the the one that
54:12
went down in the Indian Ocean And there haven't been able to find it ever
54:15
since flight flight two two three seven or something like that, whatever it is,
54:19
three seven zero, I think, But I can't remember what airlines anymore.
54:22
Yeah, I say no, no, and I don't plan on it.
54:25
Why not you know if you find it looking at I say, well,
54:29
because there is so much noise associated with it now that knowing whether or
54:32
not, or even being able to evaluate whether you've got legitimate data or not
54:37
is very difficult. Right, So I caution anybody against going for these really
54:44
high profile kind of targs like John Benet Ramsey, the little girl that went
54:47
missing. I mean, they've been subject to so many psychics and so much
54:52
speculations, so many new stories and stuff. It's just go for the stuff
54:55
that nobody's ever heard of before, and you might have a higher chance to
55:00
having success. So, yeah, it was Malaysian. It was Malaysian.
55:05
Yeah, that's it. Yeah. So you know the question how many people
55:13
you know who knows? One? Is enough if there's no target at all
55:17
in a in a close knit remote viewing project. But you know, this
55:24
can go to Rupert Childrake in this formative causation theories. But you know that
55:30
what people sometimes called hundredth monkey, how many people that take to create a
55:35
cultural meme. How many people does it take to to make an idea active
55:42
in a formative causation scenario like Rupert Childrake might might propose. I don't think
55:49
you can even have a certain number. There's probably a lot of variables associated
55:52
if this phenomenon even exists. Now I have a suspicion that's something. If
55:57
it doesn't, then something very much like it does. But you know,
56:01
we don't we don't have the the the ultimate scientific there. Uh, you
56:07
know, to assume that it is absolutely correct, but I don't know,
56:14
certainly would take a at least one person. Let's let's put it that way.
56:16
At least one person has to have a belief about something in order for
56:21
it to develop some kind of i'll say faux reality or or fake reality of
56:29
its own. Yeah. It's just a really interesting concept because you have like
56:32
this thub and this idea of like ag gregres, which is an occult concept
56:37
that whatever you believe in, whatever you britique your energy into, whatever you
56:42
focus your thoughts and ideas towards it, then creates it, regardless if it's
56:47
real or not. So I would that concept. Postmodernists really love that means
56:53
everybody's truth is true, right right, and that becomes a really big problem.
56:58
But I'm meaning it in like a collective sense. I s something can
57:02
happen, and if enough people believe in that thing, that it's regardless if
57:08
it's real or not, it's still in people's consciousness as it be real.
57:15
But yeah, I have to tell you, I'm gonna have to pull a
57:19
plug. I'm really getting uncomfortable here, Paul Smith. I think you really
57:23
appreciate your time this evening and through your health problems. I really appreciate your
57:29
time and you're able to make it through. And can you let people know
57:31
one more time about your lecture at Contact in the Contact in the Desert the
57:38
last day end of May and the beginning of June out in Palm Desert in
57:45
the Springs. I guess it is, and I'm gonna be talking about remote
57:50
viewing UFOs or UAPs for the more progressively minded. I'm looking forward to it,
57:57
and hopefully my medical issues won't get in the way. I'm counting on
58:00
still being able to do it. We'll see. Anything can change, right
58:04
anyway. I appreciate the time to be on Folks want to check out my
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