Latest / Why We Do What We Do / Mini: Musings and Prognostications 3: Goodbye Farms

Transcript

Mini: Musings and Prognostications 3: Goodbye Farms · Why We Do What We Do

0:03
Speaker 1: You're listening to Why we Do what we Do.
0:15
Speaker 2: Welcome to Why we Do what we Do Mini. I'm
0:18
Speaker 2: your host Abraham and I'm Shane. We are a psychology podcast.
0:23
Speaker 2: We talk about all of the things that humans and
0:25
Speaker 2: non human animals do. On Mondays, we release these short
0:29
Speaker 2: episodes where we do a quick dive into a thing,
0:32
Speaker 2: and we've started doing some that are more like amusings
0:35
Speaker 2: about the news and the state of the world.
0:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to try to take a different bent
0:39
Speaker 3: on this because I think that it's very easy for
0:42
Speaker 3: everybody to be inflamed about things that are going on,
0:45
Speaker 3: and we are going to just kind of present the
0:47
Speaker 3: facts and the impacts of things so that you are
0:49
Speaker 3: just informed, Like, yeah, we're mad about stuff, but we
0:52
Speaker 3: want to give you information so you know what is
0:53
Speaker 3: happening and what types of impacts will happen to the
0:56
Speaker 3: world around us with the things that are happening in
0:58
Speaker 3: our administration.
0:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is kind of it's kind of a news digest.
1:02
Speaker 2: I mean, we we sort of tried to predict the
1:05
Speaker 2: future a little bit, and I think we've been somewhat
1:07
Speaker 2: successful with the predictions we made. When we were doing
1:09
Speaker 2: our last series of these minis where we were musing
1:13
Speaker 2: and predicting things, and it remains to be seen how
1:16
Speaker 2: the rest of them will play out because we just
1:17
Speaker 2: haven't gotten there yet, and this one's going to be
1:19
Speaker 2: somewhat similar. We want to make some guesses and we're
1:22
Speaker 2: going to talk about what has already happened and what
1:24
Speaker 2: that will result in. And it's really kind of just
1:27
Speaker 2: we'll start with the facts, we'll move to our thoughts
1:30
Speaker 2: about what's likely to be the outcome of those facts,
1:33
Speaker 2: and then we'll leave you to decide.
1:35
Speaker 1: I guess.
1:35
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:36
Speaker 2: Anyway, if you're joining us for the first time, welcome,
1:39
Speaker 2: Hope you enjoy what you hear today. We'll talk about
1:41
Speaker 2: how you can support us at the end of this discussion.
1:43
Speaker 2: We'll be quick on this, fifteen minutes or less, probably,
1:46
Speaker 2: but we just want to dive in and really today's topic,
1:48
Speaker 2: we're talking about the Trump administrations move recently where they
1:53
Speaker 2: were freezing They basically suspended all foreign aid funding that
1:57
Speaker 2: was going out. It's a pretty small chunk of overall
2:00
Speaker 2: US economic activity proportional to our overall GDP, but it
2:05
Speaker 2: is a program that is pretty global that a lot
2:08
Speaker 2: of people didn't necessarily know about and it did a
2:11
Speaker 2: lot of things, and you maybe didn't know what all of.
2:14
Speaker 1: Those things were.
2:15
Speaker 2: And we're not going to necessarily impact all of the
2:17
Speaker 2: things that it did, but suffice it to say so,
2:19
Speaker 2: this is the United States Agency for International Development or USAID.
2:24
Speaker 2: I've also heard people pronounce us AID. This is a
2:28
Speaker 2: very large, complex network of people doing a lot of things.
2:32
Speaker 2: It has a operating budget of about forty billion dollars,
2:35
Speaker 2: which is a lot, but I mean, like I said,
2:37
Speaker 2: pretty small fraction of what the government spends on many
2:40
Speaker 2: other things. In particular, I mean just you know, look
2:44
Speaker 2: at our military for example. That number is laughably small
2:48
Speaker 2: relative to that. But anyway, this budget supports vital initiatives
2:52
Speaker 2: around the world, such as food aid, disaster relief, and
2:54
Speaker 2: health programs, and over one hundred different countries, making those
2:58
Speaker 2: countries our allies and many cases and supporting programs where
3:02
Speaker 2: we are the only people who have come to them
3:04
Speaker 2: for support and therefore they support us right back.
3:07
Speaker 3: So ultimately, what this has done, freezing this aid has
3:11
Speaker 3: has stopped a lot of basically just a lot of
3:13
Speaker 3: market processes, a lot of shipments, a lot of medical aid,
3:17
Speaker 3: a lot of different things. And actually one of the
3:19
Speaker 3: biggest impacts of this decision has put the US, like
3:23
Speaker 3: specifically US businesses and American farms under substantial strain. If
3:28
Speaker 3: not in such a precarious position that they are going
3:30
Speaker 3: to start having to cut jobs, they're going to maybe
3:33
Speaker 3: have to shut down.
3:34
Speaker 4: There's going to.
3:35
Speaker 3: Be food waste as a result of the fact that
3:37
Speaker 3: some of the shipments that they have are not going out.
3:40
Speaker 3: There are a lot of things that are happening. As
3:42
Speaker 3: a matter of fact, American farmers are some of the
3:45
Speaker 3: most affected, and right now, as it stands, about three
3:47
Speaker 3: hundred and forty million dollars worth of food aid, specifically
3:51
Speaker 3: in shipments including are crops like weed and soybeans. It's
3:54
Speaker 3: all halted. So it's just sitting somewhere in a container,
3:58
Speaker 3: on a ship, on a train side, somewhere like that,
4:00
Speaker 3: in trucks and warehouses. And it doesn't just impact the
4:04
Speaker 3: livelihood of those American farmers that are already struggling economically.
4:08
Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all know this, but American farmers
4:10
Speaker 3: have a real it's really hard, it's really really hard,
4:13
Speaker 3: a tough job. They've got a tough job, and so
4:18
Speaker 3: this has already kind of resulted in some strains on
4:20
Speaker 3: those farms, but it also threatens food security and food
4:24
Speaker 3: security not just on a US level, but on a
4:27
Speaker 3: global level. There are a lot of countries that rely
4:31
Speaker 3: on American food sources, just like we import food sources
4:34
Speaker 3: from other places. We rely on this kind of give
4:37
Speaker 3: and take back and forth, this mutual and this mutual
4:40
Speaker 3: engagement and agriculture for us to work. And basically, what
4:44
Speaker 3: the White House is saying is that these cuts, cutting
4:47
Speaker 3: these programs that send food to foreign aid and stuff
4:51
Speaker 3: like that will actually align with the idea of putting
4:54
Speaker 3: America first by focusing on these programs that directly benefit
4:57
Speaker 3: the United States.
4:58
Speaker 4: Now, there's a.
4:59
Speaker 3: Lot to unpack inside of that, but what I'm saying
5:02
Speaker 3: is like, this is hugely detrimental.
5:05
Speaker 1: Yeah.
5:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're like, we're gonna gut the farmer's contracts. We're
5:09
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna piss away three hundred and forty million
5:12
Speaker 2: dollars worth of contracts for them and then tell them
5:15
Speaker 2: it's for their own good.
5:16
Speaker 1: That's that's sort of what that is saying.
5:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, is like, we're putting you first by canceling your
5:22
Speaker 2: very very lucrative international shipment contracts that you have and
5:26
Speaker 2: you can just sit on that waste and you Right,
5:29
Speaker 2: that's basically what the Trump administration is saying. I think
5:32
Speaker 2: to be fair, as we've talked about, like many of
5:34
Speaker 2: these people did vote for this, so they're kind of
5:36
Speaker 2: getting what they asked for, I guess, but it's not
5:40
Speaker 2: all of them did, and it's not And it sucks
5:42
Speaker 2: because it's not just it's again, it's not even just
5:46
Speaker 2: the farmers. Like this threatens United States food security and
5:50
Speaker 2: international food security, and it's extremely wasteful, and it completely.
5:55
Speaker 1: Guts a major sector of our economy.
5:57
Speaker 2: We're gonna be losing out millions and millions of that
6:00
Speaker 2: would otherwise be coming into our economy through these programs
6:04
Speaker 2: and these some of these farms may shut down completely.
6:07
Speaker 2: Like you can't just lose three hundred and forty million
6:09
Speaker 2: dollars as a business. And granted it's not all going
6:11
Speaker 2: to one farm, but I mean, you can't just lose
6:13
Speaker 2: millions of dollars worth of business at the snap of
6:16
Speaker 2: someone's fingers and then walk away being like, yeah, we're fine,
6:19
Speaker 2: that's yeah, right, that was well within our operating budget
6:23
Speaker 2: of like what we could lose is like four million
6:25
Speaker 2: dollars or something like that. No, that will completely end
6:28
Speaker 2: some farms in the United States. So that's obviously pretty serious.
6:33
Speaker 2: Even if they hadn't canceled these contracts, though, they have
6:39
Speaker 2: shut down so much of the staffing of the USAID
6:43
Speaker 2: program that like, and the repatriating the overseas staff, that
6:47
Speaker 2: it's going to have detrimental effects on both our economy
6:51
Speaker 2: and entire global aid networks, even the ones where like
6:55
Speaker 2: we were only a participating member where other people were helping, Like,
6:59
Speaker 2: that's going to have an impact there. This is pretty
7:02
Speaker 2: far reaching, and this has been a bipartisan project for
7:06
Speaker 2: decades now like that that they've been supporting this, So
7:10
Speaker 2: it's a surprising move that nobody asked for that's going
7:13
Speaker 2: to do no good.
7:14
Speaker 3: I think one thing that's like to contextualize us a
7:16
Speaker 3: little bit further too. It's really important because people You'll
7:20
Speaker 3: hear people argue, and I could hear kind of the
7:22
Speaker 3: counter argument to like, Okay, well we should shut it down.
7:24
Speaker 3: We shouldn't be sending aid to other countries because we
7:27
Speaker 3: should be able to produce our own stuf. Blah blah
7:29
Speaker 3: blah blahlah. I've heard I've heard that more than once.
7:31
Speaker 3: As far as like manufacturing goods and stuff like this,
7:33
Speaker 3: What people don't understand is that so many of the
7:37
Speaker 3: the materials that we need do not naturally exist in
7:41
Speaker 3: the United States. Yeah, so sometimes we have to outsource materials.
7:46
Speaker 3: We have to reach out to countries that have these
7:49
Speaker 3: resources that are required to build things that we need,
7:52
Speaker 3: and vice versa. So this effectively shuts down a lot
7:56
Speaker 3: of that, if not all of that. It cuts down
7:58
Speaker 3: those contracts that allows to cooperate with different countries to
8:02
Speaker 3: access materials to help build things like computers, to help.
8:05
Speaker 4: Build things like cars, to help build things like.
8:07
Speaker 3: Or to help like actually source materials that are beyond
8:11
Speaker 3: just wheat and corn, you know, like we have other
8:14
Speaker 3: things that we get from other.
8:15
Speaker 4: Countries in these situations.
8:17
Speaker 3: And now we're basically just effectively saying no, I think
8:20
Speaker 3: we're good for you, and then we're gonna deal with
8:22
Speaker 3: the repercussions of that. So if everybody starts getting scurvy,
8:26
Speaker 3: you know, it's because we didn't get enough citrus from
8:28
Speaker 3: the places that we get it from.
8:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
8:34
Speaker 2: And you know, I think we'll talk more about this
8:36
Speaker 2: in a moment, but thinking about like as you said,
8:39
Speaker 2: if we take away the incentive to buy from other
8:44
Speaker 2: countries and then they manufacture it here instead, and we
8:46
Speaker 2: do need to get those raw materials from elsewhere, but
8:48
Speaker 2: also like then those countries won't want to do business
8:51
Speaker 2: with us, so shipping it like we have to pay
8:54
Speaker 2: more to manufacture those internally. That means that the customers
8:58
Speaker 2: for those people who pay for that product, like, yes,
9:01
Speaker 2: the people who are manufacturing that product have more work,
9:04
Speaker 2: but fewer customers. They can't afford them here in the
9:06
Speaker 2: United States. Countries outside of the United States don't want
9:09
Speaker 2: to work for it and can't necessarily afford to tariffs
9:12
Speaker 2: that their country is retro with the retribution the sort
9:16
Speaker 2: of reactive tariffs that our country is putting on their
9:19
Speaker 2: imported goods. And so it becomes this issue where it's like,
9:23
Speaker 2: sure that moves all the manufacturing here and then it
9:26
Speaker 2: has nowhere to go, and so like it's a temporary
9:29
Speaker 2: boost that will.
9:30
Speaker 1: Result in a collapse again.
9:32
Speaker 2: So it's just a total misunderstanding of how these systems align. Nevertheless,
9:37
Speaker 2: we at least get people to pay us for ads temporarily.
9:48
Speaker 2: There's another note on the USAID and there's a lot
9:50
Speaker 2: more to talk about on here, but this is one
9:51
Speaker 2: more I just wanted.
9:52
Speaker 1: To bring in.
9:53
Speaker 2: There is this thing called the President's Emergency Plan for
9:56
Speaker 2: AIDS Relief or pep FAR, and this is it's a
10:00
Speaker 2: imports anti retroviral treatment for over twenty million people who
10:03
Speaker 2: have HIV, largely in Africa, but in elsewhere as well.
10:07
Speaker 2: It pays for funding here. And the issue with cutting
10:11
Speaker 2: funding because this is part of the USAID project here
10:14
Speaker 2: is inside of the overall sort of global us AID thing.
10:19
Speaker 2: What is happening here is that when you discontinue these treatments,
10:24
Speaker 2: a couple of things happen.
10:26
Speaker 1: One is that HIV AIDS is.
10:28
Speaker 2: Going to kill a lot of people who would have
10:30
Speaker 2: otherwise had treatment for it. The treatment that they were
10:32
Speaker 2: receiving made made their viral load so low that they
10:36
Speaker 2: effectively could not spread it, which means that taking away
10:39
Speaker 2: that treatment means that they can now spread it, which
10:42
Speaker 2: means it is much more likely to come back to
10:44
Speaker 2: the United States.
10:45
Speaker 1: Diseases do not care about borders. It will make its
10:48
Speaker 1: way here.
10:48
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter where it even if we're to block
10:51
Speaker 2: every flight ever coming back from Africa, it will make
10:53
Speaker 2: its way here. These things are affect the entire globe,
10:58
Speaker 2: and so helping to deal with them before what are
11:00
Speaker 2: they spread as important. And another thing that happens here
11:03
Speaker 2: is if you fail to provide adequate treatment, what you
11:06
Speaker 2: actually do is you create more treatment resistant strains of
11:10
Speaker 2: the virus. So not only does it become more likely
11:13
Speaker 2: to spread, it becomes harder to treat. This is a colossal,
11:17
Speaker 2: colossal policy failure that is going to kill a lot
11:20
Speaker 2: of people and result in a much more difficult problem
11:23
Speaker 2: to solve.
11:24
Speaker 3: Right, And so what has happened here is like it's
11:27
Speaker 3: not just that it's leaving people without treatment, it's also
11:30
Speaker 3: leaving people without ongoing research. So yeah, at this point
11:33
Speaker 3: in time, the research around this has effectively halted. Same
11:36
Speaker 3: thing with cancer treatment, same thing with a lot of
11:39
Speaker 3: other diseases that we are actively trying to fight that
11:42
Speaker 3: are killing millions of people around the world. Now, all
11:44
Speaker 3: of a sudden, we have decided to pull out all
11:46
Speaker 3: of that funding. And what are we left with Now
11:49
Speaker 3: We're left with clinics that don't have enough resources to
11:51
Speaker 3: support the people that need it. We are now stopping
11:55
Speaker 3: the effective advancement of science and knowledge around better ways
11:59
Speaker 3: to treat situations like HIV AIDS treat cancer and all
12:04
Speaker 3: these these these things that are really important for people.
12:07
Speaker 3: Like these types of things are impacting so many people,
12:11
Speaker 3: and we've effectively said, you know what, we don't need
12:13
Speaker 3: to do any of that. And I think it's really
12:15
Speaker 3: important to to keep that in mind when you know,
12:18
Speaker 3: when we start talking about cutting this type of thing,
12:20
Speaker 3: it's like the United States is effectively looking at an
12:25
Speaker 3: isolationist view of how to go about this. They're they're
12:28
Speaker 3: trying to go through this isolationist nation first view and
12:32
Speaker 3: and that's just not how like the world has evolved
12:35
Speaker 3: well beyond that. Yeah, Like we are a global economy,
12:37
Speaker 3: we are a global network.
12:38
Speaker 4: We are a.
12:39
Speaker 3: Global system that operates with one hand scratching the other's back,
12:44
Speaker 3: like and vice versa. Like we're like one hand washes
12:46
Speaker 3: the other. That's what the world is like right now.
12:49
Speaker 3: And an isolationist community in the United States cannot, at
12:52
Speaker 3: least in the in the world, I should say, cannot
12:54
Speaker 3: exist effectively the way that it will that they have
12:58
Speaker 3: that we have built. This community, like the United States
13:00
Speaker 3: will not survive an isolationist view because once we cut
13:04
Speaker 3: out all those resources, once we cut out all those allies.
13:07
Speaker 3: Once we cut out all those things that we're trying
13:08
Speaker 3: to cut out, we will be left very alone.
13:11
Speaker 4: We will be weakened.
13:12
Speaker 3: We will no longer be the world power that the
13:14
Speaker 3: United States thinks it is, and effectively, our quality of
13:17
Speaker 3: life in the United States will diminish, as well as
13:19
Speaker 3: the quality of life around the globe.
13:21
Speaker 4: Like there is there.
13:22
Speaker 3: We have a large impact globally that I think people
13:25
Speaker 3: don't realize when when we start cutting these programs.
13:28
Speaker 2: Yes, very much so, and I think there's some un
13:32
Speaker 2: appreciated outcomes of that. But do you need to fact
13:35
Speaker 2: check myself really quick? I said that PEPFAR was a
13:38
Speaker 2: part of USAID. It's not what it is a part
13:41
Speaker 2: of it is. It's an international US funded program. It's
13:45
Speaker 2: not actually part of the USAID specific funding stream. So
13:48
Speaker 2: for people who heard that, I'm sure, I apologize, but
13:51
Speaker 2: I had to double check that because I was like, actually,
13:52
Speaker 2: these these have totally different names. I'm like, I do
13:55
Speaker 2: think that I heard that they were separate, so I
13:56
Speaker 2: needed to double check my source on that. And it
13:58
Speaker 2: even says right in my notes here funded program, not
14:01
Speaker 2: that it's the USAID.
14:02
Speaker 1: So I just misspoke there.
14:04
Speaker 2: Anyway, just as you were saying, like, what has happened
14:06
Speaker 2: is our funding of all those countries has made them
14:09
Speaker 2: our ally, which means that we have a relationship where
14:13
Speaker 2: they support us and we support them.
14:15
Speaker 1: And yeah, the support that we get back from.
14:17
Speaker 2: Them isn't necessarily going to be the same as the
14:19
Speaker 2: support that they get from us all the time. But
14:22
Speaker 2: like they are in fact our allies, and when they
14:25
Speaker 2: are no longer our allies, they become our enemies allies.
14:29
Speaker 2: And so the countries who are the most direct competition
14:33
Speaker 2: for global dominance and economic power in the world now
14:38
Speaker 2: are scooping up all these countries quite happily as like, oh,
14:42
Speaker 2: don't worry about the United States will provide your funding.
14:45
Speaker 1: Now, why don't you go ahead and enact.
14:47
Speaker 2: Our policies and advance our agenda and support us and
14:50
Speaker 2: the things that we're trying to do that are very
14:52
Speaker 2: different from what the United States interests are. So essentially,
14:56
Speaker 2: we handed all of our allies over to people who
15:00
Speaker 2: be our adversaries in our competition and gave them all
15:03
Speaker 2: our resources by cutting them off from a network where
15:06
Speaker 2: we again had bipartisan support in supporting one another and
15:10
Speaker 2: having a broad network of people who were all working
15:13
Speaker 2: together and supporting each other. So we're just we're making
15:17
Speaker 2: ourselves extremely weak and extremely vulnerable while simultaneously making our
15:22
Speaker 2: competition extremely.
15:24
Speaker 1: Powerful and extremely resilient.
15:26
Speaker 2: So I think the outcome of this is going to
15:29
Speaker 2: be a weekend US economy substantially and weekend US power
15:33
Speaker 2: and influence on the global stage.
15:35
Speaker 4: Right.
15:36
Speaker 3: Also, I think I want to be really clear, that
15:38
Speaker 3: is not us saying that like the United States should
15:40
Speaker 3: be number one, Like we're not going out around going
15:42
Speaker 3: we're number one, we'd number one. But what we do
15:45
Speaker 3: know is that everybody benefits from working together. Yeah, what
15:48
Speaker 3: this is effectively doing is it's making it so that
15:50
Speaker 3: we're taking our ball and going home and nobody else
15:53
Speaker 3: can play. And so then what's going to happen is
15:55
Speaker 3: we are going to like the United States will ultimately
15:58
Speaker 3: suffer as a result of like what when we say weakening,
16:02
Speaker 3: it's weakening because we won't have any friends, we won't
16:04
Speaker 3: have any allies, we won't have any any people that
16:07
Speaker 3: we can work together with to advance the world and
16:10
Speaker 3: advance like all the things that we are trying to
16:12
Speaker 3: do with people. Yeah, and that's not to say that
16:15
Speaker 3: the United States has been perfect in their track record
16:17
Speaker 3: on working together. We are obviously not. But we're not
16:20
Speaker 3: saying that the United States should be remain a global
16:23
Speaker 3: power and like hold that power or try to hold
16:25
Speaker 3: any sort of throne. What we're saying is that everybody
16:28
Speaker 3: benefits from us working together.
16:30
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
16:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like I think what I would advocate is
16:33
Speaker 2: that we have as many allies as we can. And
16:36
Speaker 2: what happens when we get rid of those allies is like,
16:38
Speaker 2: should we need something, they won't be there. They would
16:41
Speaker 2: have been, but now they won't. We get attacked, We
16:44
Speaker 2: have no friends. We run out of food, We have
16:47
Speaker 2: no friends. We run out of medicine, we have no friends.
16:50
Speaker 2: You know, we want to import something too bad, Like
16:53
Speaker 2: they don't want to sell, you know, they impoard to us.
16:56
Speaker 2: They just cut us off. And as you said, like
16:58
Speaker 2: the point is not the United States rules world. I
17:00
Speaker 2: don't think that's the solution. But I think what we
17:02
Speaker 2: want to do is have a lot of allies and
17:04
Speaker 2: have a lot of people in our global support network
17:07
Speaker 2: where we're benefiting from one another's support.
17:10
Speaker 1: Right.
17:10
Speaker 2: What has happened is those funds have been frozen. What
17:13
Speaker 2: has happened is those allies are starting to be scooped
17:16
Speaker 2: up by other powerful countries. And what is likely to
17:19
Speaker 2: happen in the future is that this is very problematic
17:22
Speaker 2: for the US economy. Some farms are going to go,
17:25
Speaker 2: a lot of people are going to die from preventable diseases,
17:28
Speaker 2: and we will be worse off for it.
17:30
Speaker 4: Yep, that's yeah, that's where that's where it's headed.
17:33
Speaker 1: All right, thank you.
17:34
Speaker 2: I think that's what we have to say about this.
17:35
Speaker 2: And this has been a little long for a mini
17:37
Speaker 2: so I think that we can wrap it up. There
17:39
Speaker 2: is anything you would like to add or anything I
17:41
Speaker 2: forgot before we sign off?
17:42
Speaker 4: No, I think I think that's it today, all right.
17:45
Speaker 2: If you like to support us, you can join us
17:46
Speaker 2: on Patreon, leave us a rating and review, like and subscribe,
17:49
Speaker 2: tell a friend, pick up some merch at our merch
17:51
Speaker 2: store other things. You can email us and tell us
17:54
Speaker 2: your thoughts on our thoughts. If you liked it, you
17:56
Speaker 2: can reach us directly at info at wwdwwdpodcast dot com,
18:00
Speaker 2: more on the social media platforms. But I think that's
18:02
Speaker 2: what we've got, so I'll say our goodbyes. This is
18:04
Speaker 2: Abraham and this is Shane. Why we Do What We
18:07
Speaker 2: Do Mini is out.
18:08
Speaker 4: Bye.
18:10
Speaker 1: You've been listening to Why We Do What We Do.
18:12
Speaker 3: You can learn more about this and other episodes by
18:15
Speaker 3: going to WWDWWD podcast dot com. Thanks for listening, and
18:20
Speaker 3: we hope you have an awesome day.