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#0122_ STORY INSPIRE: Before You Make Your Next Big Decision Ari Shaffir · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  You know what you are on my phone?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: Ari the Wanderer. That's a new phone number. That's not bad.
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  That's a new number. Because that's what you are. I
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  was telling you last night that I thought it was
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  in Mexico City, but we had a report that you
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  were at an Oasis concert in Mexico City, and you
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  said no, it was in Rio.
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  Speaker 3: It was in Sao Paulo.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Sao Paulo? Yeah. Okay, so it was in Brazil.
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  So no one knew where you were. You were gone
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  for how many months? Six? Seven. Jesus Christ. That's seven months.
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  How many times have you done that now?
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  Speaker 3: I guess three, although when I went to Ecuador, I
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  was very much in touch with everybody.
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  Speaker 2: That was a halfway. That was a halfway. But you
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  were there. You were kind of checked out, but you
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  were in touch.
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  Speaker 3: I was gone for six months, but I was in touch.
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  I still had numbers. I was still doing podcasts and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Were you doing them remotely? Yeah. Do it remotely. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I would do one with Big Jay and Soda. We
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  did a 21 Jump Street Breakdown podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We were so bored during the pandemic. We were like,
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  let's find a show and just let's get together.
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  Speaker 2: And watch 21 Jump Street.
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  Speaker 3: First we chose Sex and the City and then found
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  out gay fucking Ian already had a Sex and the
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  City podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Ian Fidance? Yeah. Did he really?
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  Speaker 3: Dude, that guy blows dudes. Obviously he loves Sex and
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  the City.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess so.
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  Speaker 3: So we're like, we don't want to step on his toes. Like,
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  let's pick another.
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  Speaker 2: He seems like he's straight sometimes. He does. It's weird. Like,
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  is he only gay? No, no. He fucks. He fucks
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  better than we ever did for women. Women? Yeah. Okay.
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  He gets it. So, and then, but then he went
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  to guys?
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  Speaker 3: He's a new breed. He's a new breed of just like.
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  Speaker 2: When did he go to guys? Is that a new thing?
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  Speaker 3: I think he battled with it for a while.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. So he was fucking girls but hating them? God,
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  I wish he were a guy. Like that kind of
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  a deal? Yeah. Yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: Then he went to Glory Holes and he was saying
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  he wasn't gay. I'm like, bro, that's– One of the
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  biggest signs of a gay.
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  Speaker 2: So you just stick your dick in the hole, or
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  you suck the dick that comes out of the hole?
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  Was he the glory giver or the glory taker? You're
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  asking me questions I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I always assumed in my head he was sucking dudes off,
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  but I'm actually not sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting, right?
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  Speaker 3: It's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because if the dick comes through the hole, if
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  you're like, you ever want to suck a dick, but
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  I don't want to look a guy in the eyes,
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  I just want to know what it's like, see if
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  I'm good at it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to be embarrassed in front of anybody.
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  They're going to recognize me later. I just want to
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  work on my technique. Yeah, I just want to find
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  out if I'm right. Yeah. I need more research. Not
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  enough data points.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because so you didn't even ask him which side
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  of the glory hole he was on?
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  Speaker 3: I think I was so overwhelmed by this heterosexual dude
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  who was telling me he goes to glory holes.
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  Speaker 2: And so then he was heterosexual. This was back in
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  the day.
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  Speaker 3: We did a podcast, my old podcast, on the way
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  down to like somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: This is Skeptic Tank? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And, and he was telling me that, but he was
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  telling me he's not gay. And I was like, how
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  do I say that?
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  Speaker 2: Wait.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, buddy, I think you are gay.
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  He goes, why? I'm like the glory hole stuff. It's
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  a big sign.
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  Speaker 2: And he goes, wow, do you think? I was like.
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  Do you think? I was like. But you didn't even,
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  that's the crazy thing is you didn't even ask whether
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  he sucks or gets sucked.
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  Speaker 3: I was lost in it.
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  Speaker 2: You're right.
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  Speaker 3: As an interviewer, I didn't do my job that day. Obviously,
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  that's a major question. It's a one in two chance.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right? How do you not know? How do I?
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  It's like very important to know. It is.
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  Speaker 3: Because there is a percentage chance it might be a
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  chick blowing you. There's no percentage.
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  Speaker 2: Chance that this dick is a vagina. Zero percent chance.
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  It's 100% a guy or a guy pretending to be
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  a chick.
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  Speaker 3: I bet there's a ton of those dudes who have wives,
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  you know, who live in that world.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I always thought it was a woman.
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  Speaker 3: Like, shut up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right. Shut up. Yeah. Plausible deniability. Plausible deniability.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So then he just decided to just go straight gay? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, he does everything. Oh, now he's just bisexual.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we did the 21 Jump Street podcast. And
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  I would do it sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: I'd get on.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, are you drinking a coconut with a palm
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  tree behind you?
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  Speaker 2: I'd get out of a coconut. I was like, oh,
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  it's just a Tuesday, guys. What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: And I'd really milk it.
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  Speaker 2: Because you were in Ecuador.
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  Speaker 3: Because I was in Ecuador. I was having a good time.
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  Speaker 2: What is that gay tea you drink? Mate. Sherba. Sherba.
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  So you just get into this. It's literally a jar
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  of hay. It really is. You pour hot water and
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  there's so much hay in there.
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  Speaker 3: It's so much.
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  Speaker 2: It tastes. You tried it. Yeah. Yeah. It tastes like
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  just ass. Yeah. Just hay. I don't understand. It's like
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  a ritual.
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  Speaker 3: It's all the gauchos in Argentina and then spread to
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  Chile and southern Argentina.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's just a bunch of leaves that are
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  in it.
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  Speaker 3: The Yerba tree.
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  Speaker 2: Yerba Mate, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But that drink is like different.
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  Speaker 2: I've had that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's different.
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  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's about as much as what Willie Nelson's
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  drink is actually weed.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Willie Nelson's drink is weed. Really? Oh, yeah. I
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  take it back then. Oh, yeah. I don't know what
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  the legality of that is, and I don't want to
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  throw anybody under the bus, but Ron White brought a
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  bunch of it to the mothership, and it's very legit. Yeah. Yeah.
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  It's all dose dependent. I think one glass is like
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  five milligrams or one shot is like five milligrams. But
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  if you drink a glass of that shit, you're going
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  to go into that weird dimension. You know that weird
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  dimension where you're like, I think this is earth, but
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  it doesn't seem like earth anymore. Thumbs off. It's like
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  a facsimile of earth.
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  Speaker 3: Try to look at people like you see what I'm seeing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember one time I was doing Fear Factor
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  and we were in San Francisco. And this is the
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  unregulated edibles days. You know, because this is before marijuana
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  was legal. Do your joke. You could get a prescription.
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  Do your joke. Can I do your joke? Which one?
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  The X. Oh, yeah. I'll do it. You'll be embarrassed.
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  This is early days.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, it was just like, there's banana
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  bread going around. Now it's killing people.
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  Speaker 2: It's great.
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  Speaker 3: Not killing people, but like destroying people. He goes, they
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  came in. These doses, 1X, 2X, or 3X. The problem
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  is X didn't equal any number.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So it was just some guy mixing up his bathtub
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  full of fucking whatever, like weed-infused cookie dough, and deciding
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  what's X to him. That's not a mathematical equation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, X had no number value.
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  Speaker 3: So it's 1 times this.
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  Speaker 2: What's this? Right? Yeah. Well, I had the joke, too,
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  about the gummy bear. The guy literally said that to me.
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  I go, how much should I take? He goes, just
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  a leg. Los Cumbres Hermanos. I go, just the leg.
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  I go, why the fuck are you selling whole bears
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  if I should only eat it? Because it's only that big.
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  Like no one's going to eat just the leg.
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  Speaker 3: It's a crazy dose. Half a cookie is the right–
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  that's– all cookie is a dose.
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  Speaker 2: So back in these days, we were doing Fear Factor
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  and we were doing it– it was– we were doing
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  it off of an aircraft carrier in the Bay Area.
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  And so we had to take the– you know that
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  one train? I forget what it is. Is it the
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  bar that goes under the water? That goes under the
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  bay between Oakland and San Francisco. The Bart. Yeah. Bart,
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  whatever it is.
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  Speaker 3: No, I call it the Bart just to fuck with them.
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  Speaker 2: So I took this edible and it was an unregulated edible.
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  So I have no idea. And it was way too strong.
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  And I was like, why do my ears feel weird?
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  And they're like, because you're under the ocean. And I
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  was like, no. It was like the longest 20 minutes
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  of my life waiting to pop out on the other side.
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  How long has this fucking subway been under the ocean?
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  Like how long has this existed? Like what are the
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  odds this thing is still good? Is anybody out there diving,
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  checking on the tube, making sure there's no holes in it?
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  Speaker 3: You started doing all the research in your head.
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  Speaker 2: And it was like I felt like I was talking
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  to people, but what I was seeing was a two-dimensional thing. Like,
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  you know, like those stand-ins, like when you go to
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  the movie and it's like, you know, a person standing there,
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  like thumbs up, but it's like just a two-dimensional cardboard cutout.
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  That's what everybody looked like to me. It was like
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  a two-dimensional cardboard cutout, but occasionally I'd see their soul
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  peeking around their shoulder. It was so heavy. I don't
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  know what the number was. Don't you miss.
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  Speaker 3: That kind of high? I don't get that kind of
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  high or drunk anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that kind of high is really fun after it's over.
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  After it's over. When you look back. When it's happening,
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  it's terrifying.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that was the best.
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  Speaker 2: I remember a guy I did jujitsu with. He made pills.
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  He made THC pills because he was like one of
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  those all-day guys. He was just high constantly all the time. Dab. Yeah,
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  the dab guys. But this is pre-dabs. And so this
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  guy made pills, THC pills. I go, how many should
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  you take? And he goes, you should probably start off
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  with one, but I take two. So I took two
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  because I'm an asshole. And I wound up having this
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  conversation with this guy. And he was weirding me out.
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  It was at a jujitsu tournament. I was like, why
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  is this guy so weird? It turns out the dude
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  eventually got arrested for rape. And not just arrested for rape,
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  but he was on the run. And he was on
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  the run and couldn't stop doing jujitsu. And the way
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  they caught him. Was he went to like Seattle or somewhere? Like,
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  cause this was in California. He signed up for classes.
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  And he was just rolling, but he was killing everybody.
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  And I was like, who is this fucking guy? Like,
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  why is this guy so good? And then eventually they
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  realized it was him. They go, oh my God, this
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  guy's wanted for rape. Wow. He was a crazy person.
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  And when I was like super high on these pills,
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  I could see all the crazy in his eyes. He
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  didn't say anything crazy. Dude, you can.
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  Speaker 3: When you're on drugs, you can see through people.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. You can. You can. You can see their soul.
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  It's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: It is interesting. You really can see it. It's not
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  one of those where I'm like, nah, it was just
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  the drug fucking with me. You can tell if someone's
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  happy or sad. A year or so later, he gets
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  arrested and winds up fleeing. I think he maybe was
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  out on bail or he was wanted and fleed and
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  went to the Pacific Northwest. But I remember when I
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  heard the story, I was like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that makes sense. Cause he had the weirdest energy,
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  just like this dark energy, like creepy, dark energy.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes if you're on like a psychedelic and then someone's
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  not on with you, you know, but they're around you,
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  you're like, Hey, you got to go.
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  Speaker 2: You're freaking me out. Like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Your energy is not of this. I don't know if
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  you're looking at me, but like you got to take off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You see like motivations. You see everything so clearly.
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  I know. It's weird. But it's not reliable. It's not
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  like I'm about to go into a meeting with this defendant.
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  I need to know if he's actually innocent or guilty.
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  So I'm going to take five grams of.
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  Speaker 3: Mushrooms and stare through his soul. Me and Big J
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  were leaving a blues fest in Ottawa once. It's like
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  a city festival, but then you wander into what used
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  to be the safest city in Canada.
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  Speaker 2: So you're all fucked up. It's great.
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  Speaker 3: And as you're leaving, you just see who's on what drug.
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  Like you just can tell like mushrooms, acid, weed, drunk.
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  Speaker 1: Molly.
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  Speaker 2: Molly. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You just see it all. You just see through everybody.
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  They're just sitting there talking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder what's going to happen now that this thing
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  happened at the White House.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, I thought. I'm out on the news,
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  so I'm hearing stuff little by little about everything. I
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  thought it was just Ibogaine, which is like, great. Those
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  people need that. And then, I mean, Ed Clay has
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  been telling me about that for so long.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Ed Clay, I talked about him on the podcast
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  because he was one of the ways that I found
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  out about it. Me too.
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  Speaker 3: In Nashville?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Nashville.
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  Speaker 3: And he would tell you, he's like, you should get
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  on it. It helps with addiction.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm loving what I'm doing right now. I
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  don't want to get off this. Yeah, I don't need
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  to fuck up my high.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm like, this makes sense. And then, oh, fine. Great.
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  You got that. And then I find out it's also,
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  I mean, the best hippie flip. You got that MDMA
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  and boomers and shrooms.
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  Speaker 2: And psilocybin. Yeah. Well, it's because MDMA and psilocybin. MAPS
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  was already doing MDMA studies with veterans. So for people that,
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  you know, watch a bunch of people get blown up
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  and lost their friends and come back. MDMA was one
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  of the best therapies for helping them overcome PTSD. Yeah.
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  So MAPS had already pushed that through and Johns Hopkins
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  had already done these studies with psilocybin. So they already
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  pushed these things and they were already on the way
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  to getting approval through the FDA. But the problem was
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  nobody wants to stick their neck out and sign off
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  on it.
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  Speaker 3: It's a problem with politics. If you're running– we talked
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  about this. If you're running for an office and the
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  opponent can say he wants drugs legalized, then you're fucked.
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  So it's like it really binds your hands.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Well, that's funny because that's kind of what Dan
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  Patrick did in Texas about marijuana. But– To his credit,
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  Dan Patrick met with Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard, the
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  guys that passed this Texas Ibogaine Initiative, and they convinced
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  him of what this stuff actually is. And so they've
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  donated– so he's allocated rather $ 100 million in Texas for
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  the Ibogaine Initiative, which is amazing. But that's a sign
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  of an intelligent man. Like this Dan Patrick guy had
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  this stance on weed. It was like weed is bad.
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  It's ruining everything. And then they come to him and
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  he's like, I am staunchly opposed to this. And they
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  sit down with him. He explains. Brian Hubbard explains. And
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  he's very eloquent. Explained what Ibogaine does. It's not recreational
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  at all. And he hears it. And he hears how
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  much it will help particularly veterans that come back. They're
• 13:52
  addicted to opiates and they're all fucked up. And even CTE,
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  even like brain injuries from getting blown up. It's neuroregenerative somehow.
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  It's a crazy plant. And so he, to his credit,
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  he signed off. And they allocated $ 100 million for the
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  Texas Ibogaine Initiative, which is amazing. Wow. But it's like
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  all these people have these ideas in their head, but
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  it's all because of Nixon. All of it goes back to.
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  Speaker 3: The Nixon administration. This is evil. You'll get stuck that
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  way kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I think some people. This is what's important about these studies. Yes.
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  This is what's important about these studies. Like, I think
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  this is important about weed too. You know, I'm very
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  adamant that it's not for everybody. I think there's a
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  lot of things. Some of it's so strong and some
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  people are already on the way to schizo. They're already
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  on the way. There's schizophrenia in their family. There's like,
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  they just, that's not a good thing for them.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what's making a comeback luckily is like Mexican weed.
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  It's like the 12% THC where it's like, I just
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  want to get high, dude.
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  Speaker 2: The old days.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to bury myself in this movie again.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to go to Pluto.
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  Speaker 3: Is there anything?
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  Speaker 2: What's the shot? I want to be in the clouds
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  right above the city. That's it.
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  Speaker 3: What's the shot in a beer of weed?
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  Speaker 2: I want that. That's it. Right. Right. I don't want
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  to fucking dab. I see these dabbers.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I asked for meds in a dispensary once. They're like,
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  what are you?
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  Speaker 2: What? What is that? Yeah. They're all so hardcore.
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  Speaker 3: I remember the early days. It was like Zen dispense.
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  One of the early ones. And I was like, just
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  getting into it. Atari hooked me up. Remember that guy
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  with like weed? And it was like, okay, so now
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  I'm into it. And I went to Zen and I
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  was like, hey, listen, I like to smoke cigarettes while
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  I write. I'm off cigarettes now, but it's a habit.
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  So I need something. But if I smoke a joint,
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  I'm done writing.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what it is. They go, oh, you want
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  Mexican weed? We can do that for you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, just something. Just like mild. Yeah. It's like going
• 15:50
  to a powerlifting gym and saying, do you guys have
• 15:52
  yoga classes? I feel so wrong. Get the fuck out
• 15:56
  of here.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: Get the fuck out of here. We're only here to
• 15:59
  get jerked.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: They did that in Ecuador. There was a city I
• 16:03
  was in when I did ayahuasca. And it was a
• 16:05
  guy from the tourism board. And he said, there's three
• 16:09
  cities that are on the border to the Amazon. And
• 16:12
  you can go in from any one of them. And
• 16:14
  they go, what's going to separate our city from all
• 16:16
  these other Amazonian cities? And they go, let's be the
• 16:18
  ayahuasca city. And everyone else on the tourism board said, no.
• 16:23
  We are not getting a bunch of fucking hippie backpackers
• 16:27
  in here to be drug addicts.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: In our town.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Like, that's not what we're looking for at all here.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: That thing sucks. Yeah, it did. You just filled it up.
• 16:34
  I'm not. There's a lever on it, too. I don't know.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: And he goes, okay, fair. But he goes, can I
• 16:41
  take you on an ayahuasca trip to each member? And
• 16:43
  each member was like, you know, they're half indigenous. They're like, sure.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: And then one by one, they all go, oh, this
• 16:49
  isn't an addictive thing.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: So I had the wrong idea in my head of
• 16:52
  what this was. You come once, you don't come back
• 16:54
  for a year.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Everybody had that thing from the Nixon administration. Mm-hmm. It's
• 16:59
  the Controlled Substances Act of 1970. And that thing, it's
• 17:03
  really nuts. But for 56 years, we've been living underneath that.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: It just becomes a given.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh. Yeah.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: You don't think to reevaluate any knowledge that's in there already.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I know. And it's like so many people, just a
• 17:15
  little microdose of shrooms, it'll change your fucking life. It
• 17:19
  would help so many people. There's so many people that
• 17:21
  are stressed out for no fucking reason.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: It really does give you such a reset.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: And Molly too. I know that's why I was talking
• 17:28
  to you. The MDMA, the MAPS people were always like,
• 17:30
  please start calling it MDMA. When you call it Molly,
• 17:33
  it becomes a party drug. I'm like, well, I do
• 17:35
  it at parties. So that's what it is for me.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: The problem with what they're saying by saying that is like, no,
• 17:41
  because it is a party drug too. It's also just like,
• 17:44
  what are we going to call whiskey? We're going to
• 17:46
  call it, you know, alcohol by volume. Are you going
• 17:50
  to have a technical term for what whiskey is? Fuck off.
• 17:53
  It's whiskey. You know what I mean? Like, that's why
• 17:56
  people like it.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Like, you call it that if you want.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you do whatever you want. I'm going to call
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• 19:08
  Speaker 3: That's a good ringtone.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: But it's because they've spent so much money and so
• 19:12
  much time and so much effort trying to get this
• 19:15
  stuff passed through.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: It would be so huge if you could just go
• 19:19
  get some mushrooms.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, it'd be so huge. And why can't you if
• 19:24
  you can go to Costco and just buy a jug
• 19:27
  of whiskey and drink yourself to death?
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: So like in Edinburgh. They have a season for it.
• 19:32
  And you can go through the meadows or any of
• 19:34
  these fields and just like pick mushrooms.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: But if it's on your shoe, it's fine. And if
• 19:40
  it comes off your shoe, then it's illegal.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's hilarious.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: But it's just like growing there.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: You know where Duncan used to live in Asheville? They
• 19:48
  started giving the cows like a certain type. of feed
• 19:50
  that had antifungal properties to it.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: What?
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: So that they wouldn't grow. So who knows what it
• 19:56
  did to the cow's gut, you know, how it ruined
• 20:00
  the cows. Just because so many kids were picking mushrooms
• 20:03
  off of the cow shit. They were going to put
• 20:05
  a stop to this.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: In Thailand, it's the elephant shit. And the guys who
• 20:09
  ran the elephant abusive centers, whatever, so you could ride
• 20:12
  them and make them play harmonica.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Stuff that's natural in the wild.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, guys.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Elephants love painting you a picture.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: We wrote them when we were in Thailand.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: It's okay. Then I went back my second time and
• 20:25
  everyone at the hostel was doing that. And then I
• 20:28
  was like, no, I already did it. And they go,
• 20:29
  humane or non-humane? I'm like, oh, definitely the humane one.
• 20:31
  They're like, did you ride them? That's inhumane. I'm like, oh, yeah, inhumane.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Well, the elephants wanted you to ride them. They don't
• 20:37
  mind because you weigh nothing and you feed them first
• 20:41
  and you give them an offering. So first of all,
• 20:44
  you wash them. And you feed them. So you feed
• 20:47
  them like you give them sugar cane. And you have
• 20:51
  to develop a relationship with the elephant before you ride it.
• 20:54
  Like these people were all free range elephants. They're all
• 20:57
  rescue elephants. So the elephants would come in out of
• 21:00
  the jungle. They weren't in cages. Oh really? Oh yeah.
• 21:03
  It was wild.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: And they let you get a saddle on them?
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Uh huh.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Well you don't it's barely a saddle. You just kind
• 21:09
  of climb onto them. And there's like a thing that
• 21:12
  you hold onto. And they're Totally cool with it. And
• 21:15
  then the end you go to this like pond and
• 21:17
  you wash them. And so it's like they could kill
• 21:20
  you anytime they want to, you know. So it's like
• 21:23
  it's a relationship and it's not they're not prisoners and
• 21:26
  they're not abused at all. The people that are running
• 21:28
  this the place that I went to. But even then,
• 21:30
  I did a video with it, and I said, you know,
• 21:33
  you could ride them. I go, I rode them. I
• 21:35
  don't recommend it. I don't think you should do it.
• 21:37
  I would never do it again. I would never ride
• 21:39
  them again because it just feels fucked up. I would
• 21:41
  rather just feed them and pet them and say, you're nice.
• 21:44
  I don't need to go through the jungle with you. Yeah,
• 21:45
  but also, like, you rode them. I did.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: So, like, if you hadn't rode them, you'd be like,
• 21:50
  I've never ridden an elephant.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have done it at all if my family
• 21:54
  didn't want to do it. They wanted to do it.
• 21:56
  So I said, okay, let's go. And they enjoyed it.
• 21:58
  It was a good experience. The kids, they're little and
• 22:01
  we're taking them through Thailand. It's wild.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I wonder sometimes if these kids, I was talking to
• 22:06
  Tommy about it, if they'll know later in life how
• 22:12
  cool their experience was. It'll be until the 35 or 40.
• 22:15
  They'll be like, oh, I had a great time. I
• 22:17
  didn't understand the coolest things I did.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think my kids are pretty aware of it.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Anyway, they had these hippies would go over the encampment
• 22:27
  and pick out mushrooms from elephant patties. And then eventually
• 22:30
  the people, the herders were like, why do these fucking
• 22:32
  dreadlock people keep coming in at night and like sniffing
• 22:37
  around our shit? And then they realized what it was
• 22:39
  and they go, oh, no, no, no, we'll sell this.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, so they sell it. Is it illegal in Thailand?
• 22:44
  Like what is the legality of mushrooms?
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Now I don't know because I think they just legalized
• 22:47
  weed in Thailand.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Did they really?
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: But back then when it was illegal, there were bars
• 22:53
  that sold you joints and those are the bars that
• 22:54
  paid the cops. And so for all intents and purposes,
• 22:57
  you're fine.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Bro, I would not fuck around with drugs in another country. Lame. Yeah, me.
• 23:04
  That's me. Super lame. I mean, talk to Brittany Griner.
• 23:08
  How'd that work out? Not good. Do you think when
• 23:12
  she was in jail, the guards would fuck with her
• 23:15
  and show videos of her missing? Like, how come you miss?
• 23:18
  How come you miss this shot? You eat too much pussy.
• 23:22
  You smoke too much weed. You miss this shot. She
• 23:26
  was in jail for a long fucking time.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: She was in jail for a while.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I think she was in jail for like, wasn't it
• 23:30
  like six months or something like that?
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I knew someone who worked at the agency she was at.
• 23:37
  The sports management agency. Every day they started with 15
• 23:42
  minutes of like, hey, before we get into anyone else's business,
• 23:44
  how are we getting her out?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: 10 months. Almost a fucking year. In jail in Russia.
• 23:50
  That's crazy.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Nine years in a penal colony. That was a fun
• 23:54
  one because they just told America, like, hey, guys, keep quiet.
• 23:57
  We can get her out. She's a nothing asset. Just
• 23:59
  everyone be quiet. And the liberal, angry housewives were like, no,
• 24:04
  I want to say something. And they all just kept talking.
• 24:06
  And eventually Russia was like, oh, is this an important one?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, we'll keep her in. Is that what happened? Yeah,
• 24:11
  I think so.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: I think it was Biden was like, just shut up. Well,
• 24:14
  get her out to shut up. And they made it
• 24:15
  into a bigger thing.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: So that they could get the merchant of death released.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: We are the worst at handling. Americans are so bad
• 24:22
  at handling things they don't know how to handle. They
• 24:25
  just rush in full bore going, I know how to
• 24:27
  fix it with no knowledge of it.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also once a story gets out in any form,
• 24:32
  influencers cannot help talk about it. They can't help it.
• 24:35
  It's their currency. There's no way they're not going to
• 24:37
  talk about it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Same with all the late night guys. They knew after
• 24:40
  Trump won. That like talking about him helps him. Before
• 24:43
  we said we're trying to take him down. But now
• 24:45
  we've seen the research. We know it's helping him. I'm
• 24:48
  still going to do it because it's my money.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. People get ratings. They can't help it. They can't
• 24:51
  help it. Yeah. I mean, that's like CNN's most of
• 24:56
  their ratings were talking shit about Trump. Like every time
• 24:59
  he did something outrageous, they would talk shit about him
• 25:02
  and they would have him on. And it just made
• 25:04
  him more and more popular because I don't think they
• 25:07
  understood how much Americans despise them. They thought, we're CNN.
• 25:14
  We are the news. We're CNN. And then because the
• 25:18
  fact that Trump was opposed to them and they just
• 25:21
  kept showing him, they're like, oh, he must be good
• 25:24
  because you guys suck. Right.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: You ever hear the theory that terrorism and the U.S.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Are symbiotic? What's the theory? How does it work?
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Terrorism can't exist without the U.S. dominating their countries.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: And the U.S., they can't keep funneling money to weapons
• 25:42
  without terrorists.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Well, U.S. and Israel. I mean, that's the thing with
• 25:47
  Hamas and Netanyahu. He famously said they were funding Hamas.
• 25:52
  We need them. When we fund Hamas, we can control
• 25:55
  the height of the flame.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Or 9-11. It popped off a little high, but it
• 25:59
  was like, we need something to be like, hey, we're
• 26:02
  all against that. And then those countries were like, look,
• 26:05
  they're all against us. So it's just like they need
• 26:07
  each other to keep growing.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Well, it makes sense. And also you need an enemy
• 26:11
  in order to get higher military contracts, higher budgets. I mean,
• 26:15
  if you don't have terrorism, how can you justify a
• 26:18
  trillion dollar military budget?
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: So you need to like say, hey, they're a real threat.
• 26:21
  I'm like, that's a 30 person group.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: They're not coming for us, but like, we got to
• 26:25
  take them down. Look at the training they're doing.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: You ever seen Shane's bit? Monkey bars. Monkey bars doing
• 26:32
  their training. I love that bit. Yeah. I love that
• 26:35
  bit about how bad they are at jumping jacks.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: That's what fat people do to get in shape of
• 26:41
  the biggest loser.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: And they're stuck over there. Like, shut up. Yeah. They're
• 26:44
  not going over there. And then I always wondered why
• 26:47
  we left behind all the shit. Like, cynically. But now
• 26:51
  you know. Do we leave that stuff behind so that
• 26:53
  they could use it?
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: The older I get, the less I think there's accidents.
• 26:58
  There's ineptitude for sure. But there's also like, we've done
• 27:02
  the research.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: We know.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: At some point, you know, there's bad moves you make
• 27:06
  here or there, but.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, we left behind tanks and Blackhawk helicopters. Like, what?
• 27:10
  We couldn't get those out? We had to leave right now?
• 27:12
  We were there for 20 years? Also, we got to
• 27:14
  get out right away?
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: You don't want to put a grenade in each one
• 27:16
  first before you go? Like, what do you mean? And also,
• 27:19
  those are still good. Yeah, we didn't get out like Vietnam.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Park them in a field and drop a fucking bomb
• 27:25
  on it. Yeah, you don't have to leave it there
• 27:29
  for the enemy. For the Taliban, so they can keep
• 27:32
  the people under their thumb forever.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you retreated last second, I could see it,
• 27:35
  but it wasn't that. And then you're like– They didn't
• 27:39
  have to leave when they– the way they left was insane.
• 27:42
  When you see those ships that are– the planes that
• 27:45
  are flying away and people are hanging on to the
• 27:48
  wheels of the plane and falling off because they don't
• 27:50
  want to be left behind. Because they know– There's so
• 27:51
  many people that work with the Americans. You said you'd
• 27:53
  protect us over and over again. And then you're like, yeah,
• 27:56
  we've done this over and over again. We'll just say it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: It says that we– it was equipment we gave to
• 28:01
  the Afghan state. So it wasn't– it wasn't U.S.- equipment
• 28:07
  any longer.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: And it's already given over to them.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: We gave it to the Afghan state, but not the Taliban,
• 28:13
  the national defense and security forces. Right. And then it,
• 28:16
  there was not that many of them. And so the
• 28:18
  moment that we left, the Taliban just took everything.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: There's also like, I guess what is the Taliban? We
• 28:24
  have this word on it. It's like an evil word,
• 28:26
  but are they just like the government in a lot
• 28:28
  of these places? Like the cartels in, in Columbia, they
• 28:32
  like build schools. They do bad shit, but they also
• 28:35
  are the government. They make sure the businesses run okay.
• 28:38
  And so you have this idea of cartel. It sounds
• 28:40
  like that, but it's like it's more than that. I
• 28:41
  wonder how much of the Taliban is actually into terrorism
• 28:44
  and how much is like just running day-to-day stuff.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a good point because in America, I mean
• 28:49
  what are the pharmaceutical drug companies? I mean how many
• 28:53
  people– we talked about this the other day. It's like 70,000
• 28:57
  people died of opioid overdoses in America in 2024. 70,000. 70,000. 70,000.
• 29:04
  So like, and a lot of that is probably cartel fentanyl,
• 29:08
  but a lot of it is like flat out old
• 29:10
  school oxycodone. So it's like, what are they? What are
• 29:14
  they and how much are they donating.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: To political campaigns?
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: 29-11s every year. Right.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: But the most effective thing of that Sackler with Ferris Bueller,
• 29:23
  that documentary series or whatever.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, painkiller.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Is they started every episode with a real person talking
• 29:30
  about how their son is dead.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Or, you know, something like that.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: And then they can you're like oh my god this
• 29:35
  makes it so real yeah painkiller that's what's called yeah
• 29:38
  so good.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: That's peter bergs you know we talked about that the
• 29:41
  other day it's an amazing series amazing series like that
• 29:44
  that yeah matthew broderick plays such a good fucking creep
• 29:48
  he did such a good job god that fucking that
• 29:51
  show's so disturbing because it's based on true story.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: And you show a guy playing falling into the despair
• 29:57
  from being fine to just like, uh.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: We all know somebody who got hooked. I mean, it's
• 30:05
  so potent. It's so powerful. And they told doctors, they
• 30:09
  told people, they told everybody that wasn't even addictive. They
• 30:13
  knew it was addictive. They knew it operated on the
• 30:15
  same path. I mean, that's in the painkiller series that
• 30:18
  it operates on the same pathway as heroin. Like you're
• 30:20
  saying that this is not addictive. This is a lie. Yeah.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what they did there was go– if that movie
• 30:26
  is completely accurate, it's like, okay, so this is for
• 30:30
  heavily cancerous, like bedridden people that have a pain threshold
• 30:33
  of 8 to 10. Like it will be good for them.
• 30:35
  Why don't we just extend the pain threshold to 3
• 30:37
  to 10?
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: And that allows a lot more people in. If you're
• 30:40
  at a 9, it doesn't matter if I get addicted.
• 30:42
  My life is awful right now.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Right. If you're at a 3, like.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Walk it off.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Exactly. I talked about when I got my nose fixed
• 30:50
  and the doctor tried to give me two different opiates.
• 30:52
  And I was like– All right. It was nothing. I mean,
• 30:56
  it didn't even hurt. It was just mildly uncomfortable. And
• 30:59
  that was also because it was stuffed up with gauze.
• 31:01
  It wasn't even gauze. It was like these foam things
• 31:04
  with a tube that they stuff in your nose to
• 31:06
  keep your nostrils open while it's healing. But he gave
• 31:10
  me two different opiates. And I was like, is it
• 31:12
  going to get worse than this? Because I don't– I'm fine.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't tell you. But be careful, I would
• 31:18
  not take it unless you absolutely need it.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: No, they don't tell you any of that. They want
• 31:21
  you to do it because they're financially incentivized.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I got a wisdom tooth out and the dentist was like,
• 31:27
  I was like, hey, I don't want to like.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Why'd you get a wisdom tooth out? Did it hurt?
• 31:31
  I don't remember. It was so long ago. Yeah. It
• 31:34
  was like 15, 18 years ago. What's the logic on that?
• 31:37
  Are you supposed to get wisdom teeth taken out? I've
• 31:39
  had both out. Because I've had people say, I've heard
• 31:41
  people say you shouldn't. Like there's no reason to take
• 31:43
  them out. Why do you?
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Do they get impacted or something?
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Often they're growing in wrong and they cause problems with
• 31:51
  other teeth.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: It had to be that. But he gave me this
• 31:54
  thing of Vicodin. I was like, I don't want to.
• 31:56
  And he goes, you're friends with comedians, right? And I
• 31:58
  was like, yeah. He goes, your friends will want it.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Whatever you don't need. What the fuck? Whatever you don't need.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you can find it. He was joking around,
• 32:03
  but he was right. I have tons of addict friends.
• 32:06
  They are all like, nice.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Advising me to take aspirin and not use up one
• 32:11
  of those precious Vicodin.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I took that stuff once when I had my first
• 32:15
  ACL reconstruction. And it made me so stupid. Vicodin? I
• 32:20
  think it was Vicodin. It was either Vicodin or Percocet.
• 32:22
  I can't remember. But I think it was Vicodin. But
• 32:25
  I wound up selling it at the pool hall. Yeah.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Sell it. Get some money.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Do the right thing. The only time I would advise
• 32:30
  taking Vicodin is if you have like two beers and
• 32:33
  really want a good night.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Really? Oh, yeah. Those go so well with it. in
• 32:38
  an opiate? Is it the same thing as oxycodone? Like,
• 32:41
  what is Vicodin? It's a downer. I don't know what
• 32:45
  oxy does. You're a downer.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: It combines hydrocodone and Tylenol.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, Tylenol. Tylenol and hydrocodone. Nice one, Joe. A lot
• 33:01
  of people die from that shit, too. Tylenol? Yeah. I
• 33:04
  was reading this sad story once about this lady who,
• 33:07
  she had COVID and she was in so much pain
• 33:09
  from COVID that she kept taking Tylenol and she died
• 33:11
  of a fucking liver failure. Ooh. Because the Tylenol, the
• 33:14
  acetaminophen killed her liver.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you see people dying and you're like, what a
• 33:18
  loser way to die.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: You can't ever tell anybody there was no victimhood. Aspirin overdose?
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Dork. That's crazy. How much aspirin do you have to
• 33:27
  take before you die? That seems nuts.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: I feel like all these middle school girls would try
• 33:32
  it before they had access to stuff. Really? When they
• 33:34
  just want to be drama queens. Like, I took a
• 33:36
  whole bottle of aspirin.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Oh, I knew a girl who did exactly
• 33:38
  that thing. Exactly that in high school. Yeah, me too. Yeah,
• 33:41
  she took aspirin.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: But it's like, that's not going to do it. But
• 33:44
  your call for attention is there.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: She was also crazy annoying.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Like, let me tell you how to actually do it.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: But she had big tits and she fucked everybody. She
• 33:52
  was nuts. And I'll accept it. This girl was a
• 33:55
  fucking freak. She fucked everybody. She was an animal. Catholic
• 34:00
  school girl.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I just stumbled across something weird.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: What?
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: I just typed in Tylenol deaths and this thing came up.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: The Chicago Tylenol murders.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: It seems like it's an unsolved case.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Drug tampering.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's tampered Tylenol that people bought that was potassium cyanide.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Seven people died.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they broke.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: That's when they started doing the seal on top.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, right? I remember this. I remember this. This
• 34:24
  is when I was in high school. Do they know why?
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Investigation suspects.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I wonder what the conspiracy, what's the tinfoil at?
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Someone recently was arrested. No suspect has been charged as
• 34:39
  of 2026. Whoa.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: So a bunch of people died and they just got
• 34:43
  away with it. Yeah. Wow.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Someone was convicted of extortion, sending a letter to a
• 34:47
  Tylenol manufacturer claiming responsibility and demanding a million dollars.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: If I remember right, they said we found out the
• 34:54
  problem with one plant that had whatever and we've got it.
• 34:58
  And someone else was like, well, okay, I bought this.
• 35:00
  bottle before that happened, so this should be safe. And
• 35:03
  then it wasn't. And then it was like Tylenol or
• 35:05
  whatever was like covering up how bad it got. Instead
• 35:08
  of going, recall everything.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Estimated 31 million bottles were in circulation with a retail
• 35:13
  value of over $ 100 million, equivalent to $ 334 million in 2025.
• 35:18
  The company also advertised in the national media for individuals
• 35:22
  not to consume any of its products that contained acetaminophen
• 35:25
  after it was determined that only these capsules had been
• 35:28
  tampered with. Wow.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: There's other ones in California that strychnine in them.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Wow. So that's probably one of those things too. There's copycats, right?
• 35:37
  Like one person hears about someone buying poison Tylenol. I
• 35:41
  want to do that. Yeah, I want to poison people
• 35:43
  in Ohio. Hacks. Yeah.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Fucking hacks. Get your own shit. Fucking hacks. Just be original.
• 35:50
  Be awful, evil, but be original. There's so many of those,
• 35:54
  like the Tylenol. We're like, wait, were you guys evilly
• 35:56
  covering this up and resulting in more deaths? That I
• 36:00
  found out down there was like Coca-Cola, Dole. We're like, oh,
• 36:03
  these are like evil corporations.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: As soon as they realize that they're– you know the
• 36:07
  Pinto story? Uh-uh. So Ford found out– let's research this
• 36:14
  to make sure this is true. Because someone brought it
• 36:16
  up on the podcast. They're blowing up. And they realize
• 36:19
  it's cheaper to just pay people off that died from
• 36:23
  their car being blown up than it is to recall
• 36:26
  all these Ford Pintos. Because the Pinto had, like, the
• 36:30
  gas tank was in the back. Yeah, something like that.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: And there was.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Something about the design where if you got rear-ended, it
• 36:35
  would blow up.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: And it just did a dollar value on it.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Somebody did. I want to say Ford. You know,
• 36:42
  you say Ford, but really it's a person. It's not
• 36:46
  the Ford of today. It's some guy.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Would that be a pre-production crash test?
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Investigators and lawsuits showed that pre-production crash tests had
• 36:53
  already revealed its vulnerability. But the car still went to
• 36:56
  market largely unchanged. Yeah. Who told us about this? I'll check.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: I kind of remember that.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: One of our guests explained that to us, and it
• 37:06
  was just like, oh, God. Whoa. It's so dark. It's
• 37:10
  such a fucking dark, evil thing to do to say, well,
• 37:14
  people are going to die, but we'll just pay them off.
• 37:15
  What's the number? Yeah, what is the number? First of all,
• 37:19
  the car sucked. Why'd you make it in the first place?
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: It's a terrible, shitty fucking- It's so ugly, too. It
• 37:23
  kind of looks cool now, but- No, it doesn't. It's
• 37:26
  got that sun deck in the back.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Garbage car.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: So Coca-Cola would have people just like if you were
• 37:32
  like a leftist leader running for whatever, they were worried
• 37:36
  that if that person got in power, they would unionize
• 37:40
  their population and that would cost them more money in
• 37:43
  the plants. And they would just have people straight killed,
• 37:46
  straight up, get them.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Out of the way. Coca-Cola had people whacked.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Dole used to be the American fruit company.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: How about Coke and a Smile? They had people whacked.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: James I mean look it up but like you start looking.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: At it's probably an executive somewhere probably an executive they
• 38:02
  didn't do a big house of cards style who had
• 38:05
  some guy who was a fixer for him right and
• 38:07
  he's like look these motherfuckers are causing problems and this
• 38:11
  guy was concerned with his job as whatever CEO executive.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: But it's happened over a long period of time they
• 38:19
  were given money to I think FARC or something in
• 38:21
  Columbia after they were already labeled like a terrorist organization
• 38:24
  they're still given a money.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: For decades, Coca-Cola has faced several severe allegations regarding the
• 38:30
  murder and intimidation of union leaders at bottling plants in
• 38:33
  Colombia and Guatemala.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: They hired paramilitary death squads to suppress labor activism. That's like, oh, what?
• 38:41
  They want an honest day's pay? Get rid of him.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Do you remember when Ross Perot was running for president?
• 38:50
  You were too young. I barely remember, but sort of.
• 38:52
  I was just starting to be aware of how fucked
• 38:55
  up politics were. And because he was on television explaining
• 38:59
  about the World Trade Organization, about when they were going
• 39:02
  to start opening up plants in Mexico and moving jobs
• 39:08
  to Mexico. He's like, what you're going to hear is
• 39:11
  a giant sucking sound where all the money and jobs
• 39:15
  are going to go down to Mexico. And what we
• 39:18
  allowed during that time was essentially what the labor unions
• 39:23
  were doing in this country was making sure that people
• 39:28
  had a great wage. because the corporations were getting paid
• 39:31
  well so the CEOs wanted all the money like they
• 39:34
  always do the corporation wanted all the money but you
• 39:37
  really can't make A Mustang, unless you have the people
• 39:41
  that are on the assembly line, unless you have the
• 39:44
  people that are doing all the hard labor and all
• 39:46
  the work and they should get compensated correctly. And so
• 39:49
  the auto auto unions workers organized it and they went
• 39:53
  on strike and they did the they did what they
• 39:55
  had to do. And they were making a great living.
• 39:57
  They were making a great living, and these people had
• 39:59
  a nice house, and they had a car and a garage,
• 40:02
  and it felt good that they were getting paid really well.
• 40:05
  And so a lot of people thought, well, they're getting
• 40:07
  paid too well, and this is fucking up our profits.
• 40:10
  And so what– and I'm simplifying this.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Take $ 10 from a million people instead of the top
• 40:16
  guys who make a million less.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: What they did is just open up a plant in
• 40:18
  Mexico and pay people fucking slave labor, and they go
• 40:22
  over there, and they pay them slave wages, and these
• 40:24
  people– are making cars for like fucking how much? A
• 40:27
  dollar a day or something like that instead of getting
• 40:30
  health care and retirement and, you know, and so great.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: That's what we're talking about. The free market says go
• 40:37
  to Mexico. The moral market says no, no, no, no, no.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Hold on.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Let's just pay people what they deserve here.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: But it's not just that, but they destroyed Detroit. That's right.
• 40:47
  That's Roger and me. That documentary, Michael Moore's greatest documentary
• 40:51
  is all– his first one is his best one. Because
• 40:54
  it's really documenting a horrific attack on Detroit and Flint,
• 41:01
  Michigan and all those places up there where there's all
• 41:04
  these auto plants and they all just went away, man.
• 41:07
  And those jobs went away and now Detroit is– Detroit's
• 41:10
  kind of bouncing back now. It's kind of back.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Danny was talking about it, Brown, where he was like
• 41:13
  just before COVID, it was like starting to be like
• 41:15
  some cool new restaurants and like really coming back. Then
• 41:18
  COVID kind of nailed it down again. And now it's,
• 41:19
  I think, going back up again.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: They have some cool stuff in there. I mean, there's
• 41:23
  a bunch of companies that are like proudly like made
• 41:26
  in Detroit. Underrated pizza. Detroit pizza. Oh, really? Square. Yeah,
• 41:30
  it's really good. Square.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Crispy like on every bite, every slice.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Yeah.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Because it's not thick crust square. It's like that thin
• 41:38
  crust square.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: It's just really good. Isn't it funny that we want
• 41:41
  it in a circle? I want it in a circle. Why?
• 41:44
  I don't know. Odd. It's weird. You get committed to it.
• 41:47
  It's like we don't get committed to that with a sandwich.
• 41:50
  Like if I go to a Jewish deli and I
• 41:51
  get a square sandwich, I don't say, no.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I want it like a hoagie.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I want it to look like a submarine. Doesn't look right. Right.
• 41:59
  You know, like no one cares.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: No one cares.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: The shape. No. It's a really good sandwich. But some
• 42:04
  people do. Like, if you give them a cheeseburger, but
• 42:06
  it's on bread, they're like, what is this bullshit?
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: What the fuck?
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Square bullshit. I want a round bun, motherfucker. Yeah, on
• 42:12
  rye bread. What is this? Rye bread is for pastrami.
• 42:17
  Don't give me rye bread with a fucking cheeseburger, you communist.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Is my name Ruben? Then why you give me something
• 42:23
  that looks like a fucking Ruben?
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what is this? Like, if you buy an Italian sandwich,
• 42:26
  it has to come on a big old fucking hoagie roll.
• 42:29
  A ciabatta. You know, one of those big fucking seated. Yeah,
• 42:34
  that's what you want. All bread. It's weird that we
• 42:37
  want our pizza to only be circular.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: And then what's weird, too, is you're not eating it
• 42:40
  in the round version.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: You're eating it in this weird triangle.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: You're eating it in a wedge. Just an edge of round.
• 42:45
  That edge could be.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: You know what I've seen that deeply disturbs me? Oh, no.
• 42:48
  When people take a circular pizza and then they chop
• 42:51
  it up into a bunch of squares. I'm like, what
• 42:53
  have you done?
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: No, that's the Ohio style.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Is that what it is? Really? That's what it's called?
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Or pub style.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: So you split it up a lot.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That makes kind of sense, but not for.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: You bring one pizza into the bar and now fucking
• 43:06
  10 people can get a bite as opposed to.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: I guess the only other way is to make slices
• 43:10
  like that thin. Like real thin, like long, but that's
• 43:13
  not fun.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: We also have edge-to-edge toppings.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: How many pizzas has Dave Portnoy sold? If you really
• 43:20
  stop and think about it. Dave Portnoy is probably responsible
• 43:23
  for more pizza sales in this country than any other
• 43:26
  living human being. Yeah, probably. Yeah, because I watch his
• 43:29
  pizza reviews. I want to go get a pizza. He
• 43:32
  gives it to you honest. Yeah. Oh, he's very good
• 43:34
  at it. Yeah. I mean, he really loves pizza too.
• 43:36
  Like you could tell, like this is a, he's not
• 43:38
  making any money off of that.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: No, he's really not. No. It's just like some views.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: It's a labor of love. He likes it. It's fun
• 43:44
  for him and it's become a thing. And he gets
• 43:46
  in arguments with pizza places sometimes. Like they yell at him.
• 43:49
  He yells at them.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: You can't film in here.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: He's like, fuck you. They throw shit at him.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: It's like really kind of crazy. That's so great.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: But I've gone to places because he recommended them. Like
• 43:59
  if I find out that I'm in a town and
• 44:01
  I know that there's pizza there, I'm like, what does
• 44:03
  Portnoy think? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: You want a local rec. No one's done.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: That with anything else. Like what other celebrity has done
• 44:11
  that with any other kind of food where they go
• 44:13
  places and review it?
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: There's a guy in New York, not a celebrity, but
• 44:17
  his goal was to search out every single slice in
• 44:20
  New York. It took him years. And then name the
• 44:22
  best ones.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Boy, how would you know? How are you going to
• 44:25
  compare a slice to a slice you had a year ago? Right.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I guess you got to, yeah, you really got to know.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: How are you going to know?
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: You can instantly go, no. But, yeah, anything that's good,
• 44:35
  you got to go back and forth.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Plus, it's super subjective. Obviously. Yeah.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: You got to go cheese. You've got to prepare cheese
• 44:43
  to cheese.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Right. It has to be just plain cheese pizza. Which
• 44:46
  is a classic. It's so good. I mean, other pizzas
• 44:49
  are great, but man, a really good plain cheese pizza
• 44:53
  is fucking phenomenal.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Especially if it's done well.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Here's the secret, too, if you're in New York. Underrated tip.
• 45:01
  I told Ruddy this. He's going to New York. Fat guy.
• 45:05
  So he's going to want to get some tips. I
• 45:06
  was like, no matter what you were going to get,
• 45:08
  just say, do you have anything fresh coming out? And
• 45:11
  they say, it's going to be like 10 more minutes,
• 45:12
  so it's okay, I'll wait. That's what you want.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: It's like when you go to Krispy Kreme and they
• 45:15
  got the hot donuts, they're coming out hot. Yeah, the
• 45:19
  light's on. With that light's on. If I'm thinking about
• 45:21
  having it, when I used to live in LA, there
• 45:23
  was a Krispy Kreme down the street. It was on
• 45:26
  the way home. And if I drive by, if that
• 45:29
  fucking hot, the hot light was on, I'm like, I'm
• 45:31
  pulling in. I'm getting a hot one.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: It's so much better than warmed up.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: It's so much better. Like when they come right out
• 45:39
  and the glazed ones that are coming right out hot,
• 45:41
  they just dissolve in your mouth.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Right there. And good for you. Oh, yeah.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: It's better than vitamins.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Look at that.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: It cures diabetes.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: You have all dough and you're like, let's put sugar
• 45:57
  in it. Like let's put sugar on top.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Let's fully overwhelm your system. I remember I would eat
• 46:02
  them and then I would go back to my house
• 46:04
  and I would go, what's wrong with you?
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: What's wrong? Why did you do this?
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: What the fuck is wrong with you? We've all been there.
• 46:10
  You fucking idiot.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: What the fuck's wrong with you?
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: You feel so bad. Because I would eat like a
• 46:13
  half a dozen, too. I'd eat like six donuts. I'd
• 46:16
  get a– I always buy like a box and I'd
• 46:19
  eat half the box. I'd buy like a box of
• 46:20
  a dozen and I'd buy like chocolate cream filled and
• 46:25
  all the different ones. And I'd eat like six of
• 46:27
  them in my car on my way home. And then
• 46:29
  I'd get home and I'm like, oh. Hurting. Oh. Just poisoned.
• 46:34
  An adult has learned nothing about his body. 39 years old.
• 46:39
  Sitting on the couch.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: When you have that after 23 years old, you're like,
• 46:45
  you're hurting. You're like, I just have to let this pass.
• 46:47
  I have to just like for an hour. You're like,
• 46:49
  what a fucking loser.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: What a fucking loser.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You ate yourself into feeling bad.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: I do that all the time.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Drinking, I get.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: It sneaks up on you. I eat when, if I
• 46:58
  go to New York, every time I go to New York,
• 47:00
  I eat myself into a coma. I eat myself way
• 47:03
  too much. Just way too fat. I get hurt. Like
• 47:06
  where my stomach stretched out so much, it hurts. Cause
• 47:09
  I've got so much food in there. I really can't
• 47:11
  fit any more food. And I look pregnant. My stomach
• 47:13
  sticks out.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: You got burnt belly.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, he looks so awful. And it's all swollen and bloated.
• 47:18
  Cause it's all the pasta and bread. It's all the
• 47:22
  water and the wine. It's making it expand.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Think straight. Your body's like, bring everything into the stomach
• 47:29
  right now.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You have no, like if I had to pass
• 47:31
  a spelling bee, I'm fucked. My IQ dips by like
• 47:35
  40 points. Yeah. It's, it's terrible. I'm a glutton too.
• 47:39
  I have a real problem with volume. When I start eating,
• 47:43
  I'm like a dog. I just keep eating. I just
• 47:45
  can't stop. I'm good at not eating. I can not
• 47:49
  eat for like 12, 16 hours. But when I sit
• 47:52
  down for a meal or when I'm ordering, I think
• 47:55
  it comes from being poor when I was a kid too.
• 47:58
  So it's like there's something about wanting everything. I want
• 48:01
  it all. I want steak. I want pasta. I want this.
• 48:03
  I want that. I want that. And then after, you
• 48:08
  never learn, you fucking idiot.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're like, I've had about enough. And then
• 48:12
  you're like, one more bite. And then you're like, and
• 48:14
  now if we're talking, I'm going to eat like two
• 48:16
  more full plates worth as we're talking.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I remember we were in Atlanta once. This has happened
• 48:20
  more than once, but this one lady in Atlanta was
• 48:22
  like almost arguing with me. Too much food. Yeah, we
• 48:24
  went to a diner in Atlanta after our show. And
• 48:27
  I ordered two things. I ordered like meatloaf and I
• 48:31
  ordered a steak. And she's like, oh, honey, that's too
• 48:33
  much food. I go, no, it's not. I go, I'm
• 48:36
  going to eat it all. And she's like, that is
• 48:38
  too much food. I go, you don't know me. You
• 48:39
  don't know you. You don't know me. I can consume.
• 48:42
  I will consume all of this. This is not a problem.
• 48:46
  I need this.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: When it's time for you to eat, you eat.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Especially also after shows, dude. Oh, God. You do fucking
• 48:52
  long ass shows.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: I brought you and Goldie once a hot dog. I
• 48:56
  was just like, I was doing the early days of yours.
• 49:00
  Not early, but like mid-level days and then high-level days.
• 49:02
  So I remember having more access than anyone could really
• 49:04
  get anymore.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. You were behind me. When the camera was
• 49:11
  on you and Duncan, so you guys made out. We
• 49:17
  were bored. They timed it.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: And we noticed. We noticed the camera was sitting right
• 49:21
  behind you.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: So they could see the monitor. So they were sitting
• 49:25
  behind me. So they knew what the camera was capturing.
• 49:27
  So we're on that camera. That guy's camera. And so
• 49:29
  they waited. And then it's got it right here. And
• 49:33
  in the middle, as soon as the camera's on, you
• 49:35
  guys start laughing. Frosty died. Oh, my God. This is
• 49:42
  the early, early days. This is probably like 2002 or
• 49:46
  something like that. That was way.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Back in the day.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: So, Dunk was being accused of being an Illuminati a
• 49:54
  lot then. So he goes, oh, there's a camera. I mean,
• 49:56
  I got to do this thing.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: He goes, what?
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: He goes, it's just to stoke the flames. So he'll
• 49:59
  just do this. He'll do triangles. At some point, we
• 50:01
  made a big triangle with both our hands. And then
• 50:04
  I think he said it.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: One of us said it. The other reacted. Hey, next
• 50:10
  time we got a kiss. And it was like. Fuck, yes.
• 50:13
  I'm pretty sure it was Duncan. God damn it. Yeah,
• 50:14
  you're right. We do.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: It was like, this is going to be awful, but
• 50:18
  you have to.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't know about it until after it was over.
• 50:21
  People were like, your friends were kissing on camera. And
• 50:24
  I just, I literally couldn't breathe. I was like, oh
• 50:27
  my God. Oh my God. I go, show it to me.
• 50:30
  Show it to me. I like made the guys in
• 50:31
  the truck show me the video of it. I'm like,
• 50:33
  oh my God, this is so funny.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: There was also like a wrestling moment, or it was.
• 50:38
  There was a lot of wrestling in that fight, if
• 50:39
  I remember right. It's a long time ago. But there
• 50:41
  was a blog from like an MMA blog. It's like
• 50:44
  two bored bearded dudes make out.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: During a UFC fight.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Dude, you give a comic a camera on you and
• 50:56
  we're like, let's go.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: We got to do something. Especially like you have six hours.
• 51:00
  Six hours. Six hours of fights. So there's all this
• 51:02
  time to think. And they're not all exciting. Some of
• 51:05
  them are fucking boring. And when they're boring, you got
• 51:07
  to come up with different ways to entertain yourself. Yeah.
• 51:10
  What you going to do? Yeah. It was so fun.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: You could see the one that was on it. So
• 51:16
  like when those fighters are in front of us.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I want to fix this. Like, it wants to work.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: It wants to work.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: I wonder if this one works. Those are fun times.
• 51:32
  That was back when the UFC was like, no one
• 51:34
  was watching anyway.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: You could just do whatever. The weigh-ins was the best.
• 51:38
  We had a weigh-in in Florida, and it was just like,
• 51:40
  only the camps kind of came in. And the tap-out guys,
• 51:44
  rest in peace, they'd come in there. Well, just one,
• 51:48
  rest in peace.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Live well.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: But It was just like you'd be in there. And
• 51:53
  I remember once you were like, hey, Ari, maybe I'll
• 51:56
  call you up to weigh in.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: And you just could.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: And you're like, you want to go now?
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: It was like there was no real rules then. It
• 52:03
  was pretty wild.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: No one knew what was going on. Ari Shafir. And
• 52:07
  you would just walk out. Yeah, you could do anything
• 52:10
  back then. And that was also a real weigh-in. That
• 52:13
  was when the guys actually would get on the scale.
• 52:15
  Now it's a ceremonial weigh-in. Oh, really? Yeah, because now
• 52:19
  they weigh in in advance because– They want to give
• 52:22
  them more time to recover.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, right.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: The whole thing is gross. They shouldn't be weighing in.
• 52:26
  They shouldn't be cutting weight.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: As a casual fan, it's the most obvious one. Make
• 52:30
  them weigh in at the event.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. I mean we've had long discussions. I had
• 52:36
  a discussion recently with Hunter Campbell where we're trying to
• 52:39
  figure out a way to– Blow up all the weight
• 52:42
  classes and make people fight it with their actual weight is.
• 52:44
  But you would have to, like, show up in camp, like,
• 52:47
  you know.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Get to the right, exact right weight.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Weigh them.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: A pound or two below for safety.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: But it would have to be random. Like, they couldn't
• 52:54
  know you were coming.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, like, the whole way through it has to be
• 52:57
  at that weight.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Just show up. What do you weigh? Get on the scale.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: 185.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Bro, you're supposed to be fighting at 155. How the
• 53:03
  fuck are you 185?
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: It's dumb because you're not actually– you're– It's like having
• 53:08
  field goals decide like an NFL game. It's like this
• 53:11
  is not– this is like a minor part of the sport.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: So that's like you're having a 185er fight against a
• 53:16
  160 pound. So you're not actually.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Saying who's best in your class. In the elite levels,
• 53:21
  they're all doing it. So it's everybody's cheating. It's sanctioned cheating.
• 53:25
  It's not cheating because it's legal.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: But it's rewarding guys who know how to cut better
• 53:28
  than guys who don't. And as a casual fan, that's
• 53:31
  not what we're into.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: It's also very biological. We're not looking at cutting. So
• 53:34
  some people can cut weight very easily and some people
• 53:38
  it's a fucking grind. And it's way more of a
• 53:40
  grind for women. Women hold on to that water weight
• 53:44
  a lot harder than men do. So when a woman
• 53:47
  has to lose– like a woman has to cut like
• 53:49
  20 pounds. Yeah, man. They cut weight. But apparently it's
• 53:53
  way more brutal for them. Interesting. Yeah. It's fucking terrible.
• 53:57
  They should– it should have never been in there in
• 54:00
  the first place. And they should figure out a way
• 54:02
  to get it out.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: What do they do in high school wrestling when people
• 54:04
  fight at like 112? That's just your weight or do
• 54:06
  you cut for that?
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: You weigh in the day. Right. The weigh in the day.
• 54:08
  But it's still– you're still cutting weight. I weighed– I
• 54:11
  used to wrestle at 128 and then I wrestled– 128
• 54:14
  for a grown man? I mean a high school– Oh, OK.
• 54:18
  And then 134. And then– because I couldn't really make
• 54:21
  128 anymore. And then when I started fighting in Taekwondo,
• 54:24
  I fought– my first fights were at 140 and That
• 54:27
  was when I was like 15, 16. And then my
• 54:30
  last fight at 140, I was 17 and I was
• 54:34
  not 140. And I was starving myself and I was
• 54:37
  cutting a bunch of water weight. And then I would
• 54:39
  fight dehydrated. But I only did it one year. I
• 54:42
  only did it one year and then I went up
• 54:43
  to 155, which was much better. That was easy because
• 54:46
  I didn't have to cut any weight. I was way
• 54:47
  better then. But that thing where they do in wrestling,
• 54:51
  you're not getting hit in the head in wrestling. So
• 54:54
  it will deplete you and so you have to make
• 54:56
  a decision like how much am I going to be
• 54:58
  depleted and want to be the size bully and have
• 55:02
  a bigger frame and utilize it but have depleted performance?
• 55:07
  Like how much– how good a shape would I have
• 55:09
  to be in where that depletion only takes out a
• 55:12
  certain percentage of my ability? And so it's like this
• 55:14
  calculated thing. Like Kurt Angle for instance. Kurt Angle, when
• 55:18
  he was an Olympic gold medalist, he didn't cut any weight,
• 55:21
  and he was a phenomenal wrestler. Kurt Angle was a
• 55:24
  fucking monster, and he was beating guys way bigger than him.
• 55:27
  But he had so much energy because he didn't cut weight.
• 55:31
  And so he was wrestling against guys that did cut weight,
• 55:34
  and he was dominating them. Yeah, because he was full strength.
• 55:37
  But they were bigger than him. They were bigger than him,
• 55:39
  but he had incredible skill. also strong as fuck anyway,
• 55:44
  and had no depletion of his resources. Like his body
• 55:47
  was working at full capacity.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: It's like Greg Fitzsimmons in the prime.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: He would just fight anybody. He would just fight anybody. Oh,
• 55:54
  tiny little man. He got attacked on stage at stitches and, uh,
• 55:59
  the guy got a rush, attacked him and they, they
• 56:02
  fucking some brawl broke out and they, the, the bouncers
• 56:05
  got in, they take the guy away and then Greg
• 56:06
  gets on the microphone. Didn't even end the show. Gets
• 56:08
  on the microphone and goes, anybody else want some of this?
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: And then he got done laughing.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: It was great. He finished his set. Wow. He finished it.
• 56:18
  Great composure. Kept it together. Finished his set. Fucking fun, dude. Wow. Yeah.
• 56:26
  But they really should ban weight cutting. But the only
• 56:29
  way they're really ever going to be able to do
• 56:31
  that is to make more weight classes. There's not enough
• 56:34
  weight classes. And then you'll have the what? I don't understand.
• 56:37
  I think boxing has 18 weight classes.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Don't you have some who cares weight classes?
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's sort of who cares.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: And if you really want to get known, you've got
• 56:47
  to move up or down to one of the majors.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what's weird? Like 160 is a huge
• 56:52
  weight class. 147, welterweight, huge weight class. Big, giant fights. Cruiserweight,
• 56:59
  which is like between light heavyweight and heavyweight, no one
• 57:03
  gives a fuck about. Wow. Why? It's weird. It's just weird.
• 57:07
  Nobody gives a shit about the cruiserweight champion. Like Usyk,
• 57:10
  before he became the heavyweight champion, was the cruiserweight champion.
• 57:13
  And people cared about him just because he was so skillful.
• 57:16
  But he had to go up to heavyweight before people cared.
• 57:18
  But if he was a light heavyweight.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: He would have been huge.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: It's weird. Very weird. But I think boxing, how many
• 57:24
  weight classes does boxing have, professional boxing? I want to
• 57:27
  say there's 18. Whereas in the UFC, there's only 18.
• 57:32
  It's a big difference. It's a big difference.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: And you can follow champions better.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: But it's also– Even when Mighty Mouse came in, it
• 57:38
  was like you have this dominant guy coming in to
• 57:43
  really launch the weight class. But people are like, we
• 57:45
  don't know this weight class. So we're less interested in
• 57:47
  you than we should be.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Well, people have a thing about tiny people. They look
• 57:50
  at a small guy who's like 5'3 and weighs 125 pounds.
• 57:53
  They're like, nah. We don't care. 17 here. 17.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Red Ben said the 135ers and 125ers, they should have
• 58:00
  to come into the octagon on little mini horses and ride.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Around a couple times. That's so rude. That's so rude.
• 58:11
  What's also interesting is like flyweight women, like Valentina Shevchenko,
• 58:16
  it's one of the premier weight classes in the women's division.
• 58:18
  Because that's heavy? For a woman, it's like normal size.
• 58:22
  125 is like a normal weight. It's like a man
• 58:24
  fighting at 160 or 170. It's normal. Weird. Yeah. It's weird.
• 58:31
  But there's not enough weight classes, and they should have
• 58:33
  fixed that a long time ago. There's giant gaps, like
• 58:37
  the gap between 185, which is middleweight, and then 205,
• 58:41
  which is light heavyweight. That's crazy.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: That's a big one.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: It's a giant leap.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: And then everything else.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Well, not even. Not even. That's what's even stupider. You
• 58:50
  get to heavyweight at 265. That's the cutoff for heavyweight.
• 58:54
  So you have to weigh 265 or under.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: That's my favorite weigh-ins because they're still wearing their jeans.
• 59:00
  They're like, I'm inside a range.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't give a fuck. So ceremonial weigh-ins is
• 59:06
  what we have now. So when someone weighs in now,
• 59:09
  they've already weighted. in in the morning in an official
• 59:11
  scale in front of doctors and state reps.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: They give them a chance to come back again.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: The athletic commission checks them out. And so then they
• 59:19
  just suck a bunch of water down and electrolytes and
• 59:23
  they slowly rehydrate over the.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: Four or five hours.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They have to do it slow?
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: The science is so crazy behind it.
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: The heavyweight division is older than the United States.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Officially, 1738.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Whoa. Weighing as much as they want. Whoa.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Is that real?
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: So heavyweight, they weighed 160 plus. 160 plus? Yeah. People
• 59:47
  were tiny back then. Oh, yeah. You know, Rocky Marciano
• 59:50
  was like one of the great heavyweights of all time.
• 59:52
  He weighed 185 pounds. So Rocky Marciano, the heavyweight champion
• 59:56
  of the world, one of the greatest of all time,
• 59:58
  weighed 15 pounds less than me. Wow. Yeah. Isn't that nuts?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: It's so different. If you ever look back at a
• 1:00:04
  fat guy from like Chris Farley types or whatever, and
• 1:00:07
  you're like, you're.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Not even, you're just a little big. Yeah. It's like
• 1:00:10
  normal fat.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: You're like Steve Simone body.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Look at these guys back then when they wore diapers
• 1:00:13
  and shit. Like, what's that? What are you wearing? What's
• 1:00:15
  that thing around your waist?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: What is that?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: It's a wave of blood. And they all fought bare
• 1:00:20
  knuckle back then too.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: Quick fights.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Well, they just broke their hands a lot. They threw
• 1:00:26
  a lot of punches to the body back then because
• 1:00:28
  they didn't want to break their hands on people's heads.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: That was the biggest defense back then, the Brian Dennehy thing.
• 1:00:33
  Lower your head and make a punch on the head
• 1:00:35
  and break.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Just lower your head. And they all boxed like this, too,
• 1:00:38
  where they would throw their knuckles out like that. Wow.
• 1:00:41
  Because if you just blast someone, you could blast someone
• 1:00:44
  like that if you have gloves on and hand wraps.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: Stockton Slap would have gone a long way back then.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. They would have been legendary. Slapped them. Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  It's funny how things change and then how they go
• 1:00:58
  back to it because now bare-knuckle boxing is making a
• 1:01:00
  huge comeback. It's back, yeah.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: Have you seen chess boxing?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's pretty fun.
• 1:01:05
  Beat the shit out of each other and then play chess.
• 1:01:07
  They go play five minutes. If you're a good boxer,
• 1:01:10
  you have a massive advantage. The guy just got a concussion.
• 1:01:12
  He doesn't even know what the knight does. He's like,
• 1:01:15
  you can't move that. I'm like, oh, fuck. I wonder
• 1:01:17
  whose idea that was. What kind of fucking psychopath?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Who wants to combine those things?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It'd have to be people that aren't that good
• 1:01:24
  at boxing and aren't that good at chess. Because if
• 1:01:26
  somebody flatlines you and sends you to the hospital, you're
• 1:01:28
  not playing chess afterwards. Yeah. So it has to be
• 1:01:31
  people that kind of suck at boxing. Kind of suck
• 1:01:33
  at boxing. Because if you really like Mike Tyson somebody,
• 1:01:36
  you fucking KO him and they have to get carried
• 1:01:38
  out in a stretcher. Well, then you by default won
• 1:01:42
  the chess as well because they can't even play. Yeah,
• 1:01:45
  just dusty boards. You have to take them to the hospital.
• 1:01:47
  How are they going to play chess? I don't even
• 1:01:50
  understand the rules there.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: You have to have a minimum of 1,800 in chess to.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Be a competitor. What is that? What's 1,800? I would
• 1:01:56
  imagine pretty good.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: Is that a score? What does that mean?
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: There's scores in chess? Like a golf handicap.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's something like that.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Wow. So what is like Magnus Carlsen, the guy that
• 1:02:05
  was on the podcast, what does he have? What's his rating?
• 1:02:08
  Let's see.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: I'll just type this.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: He plays poker too. Does he?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: He'd be in the top five to ten percent of players.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Super smart, dude. Super smart. He's a math guy. He's
• 1:02:15
  one of those dudes you talk to him. There's some
• 1:02:17
  guys you talk to him like, oh, there's a lot
• 1:02:18
  working on behind those eyes. If you were high around
• 1:02:21
  that guy, you'd probably get weirded out. You'd be like, oh,
• 1:02:24
  you're an alien. He's 2840.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Way better. What is the highest ranked chess player alive today?
• 1:02:32
  Good question, Joe. I think that'd be him. That'd be him. Oh, really?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he peaked at 2882, the highest in history.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. That is crazy.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: What about that schizo Jew turned Arab, whatever his name is?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Which guy? The fucking boy?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: The boy who went schizo?
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Schizo Jew turned Arab? Yeah. Bobby Fischer? Bobby Fischer, yeah.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: I had to translate it.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. He became very anti-Semitic, right? I don't know.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Very close.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: 2785.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: So Magnus is better than him.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, Magnus is the best ever.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Magnus is the best ever. Oh, okay. He's a
• 1:03:13
  fucking super genius. So what happened with Bobby Fischer?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: This actually has him rated maybe one point below Magnus' peak, 28-81,
• 1:03:21
  one-year performance, it says.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Bobby Fischer?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's based off of who you're playing, when you're
• 1:03:25
  playing them, and how good they.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Are at the time.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: It's like golf. It's like who's in the tournament.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that happens. Pool has ratings. They have a
• 1:03:34
  Fargo rating, and they also do it per game. Like
• 1:03:38
  there's this guy, he just died recently, Chang Jung Lin,
• 1:03:43
  and he's this dude from Taiwan. And he played at 1,000. 1,000
• 1:03:50
  was his for one game. He couldn't get a game.
• 1:03:53
  Not for one game, excuse me, for like one match.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: What would he have to give? To you or to me?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, it would be pointless.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: It would just destroy us.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Just as soon as you– he never missed.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: That means he played a– He'd be like, make a
• 1:04:03
  ball and you win.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: There's another guy, this guy who's also from Taiwan, Ko
• 1:04:07
  Ping Chung, and he played an entire match where he
• 1:04:10
  never missed a ball. He won 11 to nothing against
• 1:04:13
  another world-class player.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: Who didn't get– who lost a coin flip to start.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He lost their lag. Their lag and– I think
• 1:04:22
  he broke and left a long shot on the one ball,
• 1:04:26
  and the guy missed that, and he never made a ball.
• 1:04:29
  He didn't make one ball. And winner goes first. Winner
• 1:04:33
  goes first, yeah. It was a couple times. It was
• 1:04:35
  winner breaks. So every time he broke, and he was
• 1:04:37
  making the one ball on the side like every game.
• 1:04:39
  And every time he didn't have a shot, he would
• 1:04:42
  just play a lockup safety, and the guy would kick
• 1:04:44
  and then leave a shot, and then he would run
• 1:04:46
  out again. He just got in the zone. So he
• 1:04:49
  played at a 1,000 Fargo for the entire match. That's crazy.
• 1:04:55
  That means he never missed a ball on four-inch pockets. Oh, really?
• 1:05:00
  Tiny little pockets. There's people that are like.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: It's amazing how big poolers, too, across the world, and billiards, too.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: I know. In Asia, it's huge.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: Asia's huge. Do you find people with just an overhang
• 1:05:13
  just so it doesn't get wet and they're all out
• 1:05:14
  there playing and just like flip-flops?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Well, we're losing a lot of the top Taiwanese and
• 1:05:20
  Chinese players to a game that they play in China
• 1:05:23
  now where it's like a snooker table. It doesn't look
• 1:05:26
  like a pool table. Like the pockets aren't cut the
• 1:05:29
  same way. They're rounded. But they're playing nine ball and
• 1:05:33
  they're playing with like purses or like top purses like, $ 600, 000
• 1:05:39
  for a tournament, $ 700, 000. Wow. So they're all going over
• 1:05:41
  there and playing in that because you can make millions
• 1:05:44
  in a year instead of a couple hundred grand, which
• 1:05:46
  is like what the best players make in America.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: It's like women were going to fucking Russia to play basketball.
• 1:05:51
  Until now.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: Until now. Well, just don't bring weed.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, just don't bring weed. The thing is like
• 1:05:58
  weed helps basketball a lot. I'm not a basketball player, clearly.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: You couldn't keep score. Me and Muggsy Bogues. Yeah. All right.
• 1:06:07
  That's a good reference. Yeah.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: But weed apparently is phenomenal for basketball players. Like, they
• 1:06:14
  all talk about it. Like, I've talked to basketball players
• 1:06:16
  about weed. They say, I can play way better when
• 1:06:18
  I'm high.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: Well, they had the collective bargaining, not a late one,
• 1:06:22
  but like 20 years ago. And they're like, we can
• 1:06:24
  test for drugs. But they fought back. They go, not weed.
• 1:06:27
  So if you get caught with weed, sure, you can
• 1:06:29
  suspend us. But you can't test for it. Yeah.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Because why? We're all doing it. Yeah, they're all doing it,
• 1:06:34
  and it helps the game. It helps pool for sure.
• 1:06:37
  It helps poker for sure, for sure. Oh, I'd imagine
• 1:06:42
  you read people's tells. According to World Snooker Tour figures,
• 1:06:46
  more than 24.5 million unique viewers watched the third session.
• 1:06:51
  Of the final alone in China and during the whole
• 1:06:54
  2025 tournament, it had a cumulative audience of 180 million
• 1:06:58
  in national broadcasting.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: That's like an NFL playoff.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: 24 million watched the finals of this. It's like a
• 1:07:04
  billion for Super Bowl, right?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: But like a playoff game.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: But that's snooker. The English call it snooker. So snooker
• 1:07:13
  is very different. And it's on a 12-foot table. It's
• 1:07:16
  a huge table. And the balls are very small and
• 1:07:18
  they don't have numbers on them. It's just like red, black, pink.
• 1:07:22
  It's mostly red. There's red that's in the stack. And
• 1:07:25
  then you have black, pink, brown. And I think there's
• 1:07:28
  another one. I've never played the game. I fucked around
• 1:07:30
  with it when I was in Scotland. They had a
• 1:07:31
  table and I was like shooting balls on it. It's interesting.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: In Colombia, they all play. this thing and it's three
• 1:07:37
  cushion billiards yeah and it's they take their cue and
• 1:07:39
  move a thing over like a scorer over and they
• 1:07:42
  keep playing and move one over yeah and they're all
• 1:07:44
  playing it and they're just kind of casual bars but
• 1:07:46
  it's like 20 tables and they're everywhere.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: And this is where there's no holes in the table
• 1:07:50
  right yeah that's called three cushion billiards.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: I'd sit there and watch and drink it's a fun.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: Game I don't know how to play it really well
• 1:07:56
  strategy well it's it's really it is definitely strategy but
• 1:08:01
  it's really understanding angles it's understanding how to kick And
• 1:08:06
  how to, like, when I say kick, what I mean is, like,
• 1:08:10
  go off a rail and hit another rail and then
• 1:08:12
  collide with the ball. So three cushion billiards is you
• 1:08:15
  have three balls on the table. That's it. And so
• 1:08:17
  you have the whole table. It's like a big-ass pool table,
• 1:08:21
  but there's no pockets. And you have three balls. And
• 1:08:24
  so what you have to do is hit one ball
• 1:08:26
  and then go three rails at least, three cushions, and
• 1:08:30
  then hit the second ball. And then another ball. Yes.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Where then you can make another shot afterwards. Right. Or
• 1:08:39
  play safety. It's a complicated game and it's different because
• 1:08:42
  it's a lot of it's spin and the harder you
• 1:08:45
  hit it, the shorter the angle is. And if you
• 1:08:47
  hit it with English, it spins out wider or shorter
• 1:08:50
  depending upon what you're trying to do with it. But
• 1:08:53
  if you get good at it, it really will help
• 1:08:56
  your pool game because you'll really have a much more
• 1:08:59
  deep understanding. of how the ball moves around the table
• 1:09:03
  with different speed and side spin and all that kind
• 1:09:07
  of shit. I've only fucked around with it, though, and
• 1:09:10
  not in a long time. We had a table at
• 1:09:12
  Executive Billiards in White Plains. We used to have one
• 1:09:15
  three cushion table they would fuck around on.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: Just play for laughs?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do it. I want to see the balls
• 1:09:21
  go away. It's nice. I want to see. When I
• 1:09:23
  fire a ball in, I want to see it go
• 1:09:26
  down that hole. Bye-bye. I want to clear it out.
• 1:09:28
  I don't want balls lingering just staring at me like,
• 1:09:31
  do it again. Do it again. Do it again. I'm
• 1:09:33
  still here. Do it again.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: It's funny that that became a bar sport. It's really
• 1:09:38
  just darts and that became the sports at bars.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: And the table takes up a lot more space.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: The dart board. Yeah.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: Dart board.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: But the pool table, you need like some actual space.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that space is totally not usable other than that. It's,
• 1:09:54
  that's where it is. Unless a girl's dancing on it.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: I went to a, I went to a, there's this
• 1:10:00
  like pool hall slash like Samba place in, in, in
• 1:10:04
  somewhere in Brazil.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: What? Pool and Samba? Yeah.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: It's like daily. It's a pool hall, but then at
• 1:10:09
  night it turns into Samba and like the highest level
• 1:10:11
  guys coming, their capital and their music capital. Um, It's
• 1:10:15
  so fun. But these guys don't stop playing pool. And
• 1:10:17
  so everyone's dancing. It's so packed and crowded. It's excuse me.
• 1:10:19
  And you're like, the etiquette is you just know when
• 1:10:21
  you're a bar. You're like, all right, all right. But
• 1:10:23
  you want to be like, bro, it's packed. You can't
• 1:10:27
  play pool here.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't play pool there.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: But they were doing it.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a place in the Bronx that is this
• 1:10:32
  Dominican pool room. Where they gamble big money. Big money.
• 1:10:37
  And they stream some of the matches on YouTube. And
• 1:10:40
  it's fucking bananas. Because people are just talking constantly. They're
• 1:10:45
  yelling at each other in Spanish.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: You know, Dominican people are having fun.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: They're having fun.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: There's all this Spanish speaking and they're yelling and they're
• 1:10:53
  all very flamboyant and having a good time. And... They
• 1:10:57
  get people to go over there and play like pros,
• 1:10:59
  and they get so rattled because the environment.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: They're not used to that.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Right. Wow.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Play on this turf.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Right. Not only that, but the guys can play, and
• 1:11:08
  they're accustomed to that culture. So they're accustomed to all
• 1:11:11
  the yelling and all the craziness and guys standing in
• 1:11:14
  front of the hole while you're shooting at it, which
• 1:11:16
  is a no-no in regular pool.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's like high school.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Do it then. Do it. They don't do it that bad.
• 1:11:22
  It's not that bad, but there's plenty of guys moving
• 1:11:25
  around the table. They're all talking. Everyone's yelling. The tables
• 1:11:28
  next to you are yelling. They don't care if you're
• 1:11:30
  betting $ 30, 000 on a set.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: Dominica's having so much fun, they're allowed to use the N-word.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: Blacks are like you know what they kind of rule
• 1:11:40
  give it to them just Dominicans they're dark enough let.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: It go let it go but it's really interesting because
• 1:11:46
  I've watched guys who are like top pros go over
• 1:11:48
  there and fucking lose to guys that they're not supposed
• 1:11:51
  to lose to and the reason why they're losing is
• 1:11:53
  because they're just rattled by the environment and so what
• 1:11:56
  a lot of these guys will do they'll put airpods
• 1:11:58
  on so they'll put airpods in with the noise cancelling
• 1:12:01
  so they try to take away some of the the
• 1:12:03
  fucking sound and just focus but you're really going to
• 1:12:07
  be playing at like 60% of your capacity because there's
• 1:12:10
  just too much chaos going around. If you play in
• 1:12:12
  a real, legit pool tournament, everything's dead quiet while the
• 1:12:16
  guy's down on the ball. And then they clap when
• 1:12:18
  someone makes the ball. Then he moves to the next shot.
• 1:12:20
  They stop clapping. Yeah, too respectful. Yes. But not in
• 1:12:23
  these fucking pools. These guys are playing for big money.
• 1:12:27
  They're playing for tens of thousands of dollars, and they're
• 1:12:30
  just getting sharked and rattled. Stealing their blood. I watch
• 1:12:33
  guys like– I watch this guy Oscar Dominguez play this dude.
• 1:12:36
  Oscar is a top pro. He was on the Moscone Cup.
• 1:12:39
  He was on the Moscone team for the U.S. And
• 1:12:42
  he was over there playing this dude. I was like,
• 1:12:45
  how did they get him to go there? Wow. I'm
• 1:12:48
  talking about Jeremy Jones.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: I rep too. It's like the guys who do Burning Man.
• 1:12:51
  The DJ is like, I'll play for free. It's just
• 1:12:52
  like it's a rep thing.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think it's that. I think it's the money.
• 1:12:57
  Oscar loves to gamble, and he's going to a place
• 1:12:59
  where someone's willing to gamble him for a lot of money.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: Wait, you say the same thing about Jones? I'm going
• 1:13:03
  to listen while I go to piss.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: Go to piss. We'll pause. We'll pause. We'll be right back,
• 1:13:07
  ladies and gentlemen. I'm not going to say the whole thing.
• 1:13:10
  We'll pause. We're back, folks. We're back. So what I
• 1:13:13
  was saying is my friend Jeremy Jones, who was a U.S.
• 1:13:15
  Open champion, he said he went to that pool hall once,
• 1:13:18
  and he said, I'm never going back. It's too much.
• 1:13:20
  It's too much. Too much. And he's also said that
• 1:13:22
  the neighborhood is like, things can go sideways. It's a
• 1:13:28
  neighborhood where like, hey, you might go there three nights
• 1:13:30
  in a row and you have a good time. Fourth night,
• 1:13:32
  four people get shot. You know what I mean?
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: That was always the problem with underground pool, I mean,
• 1:13:35
  poker rooms. You play a commerce or a place like
• 1:13:38
  that's legit, it's fine. You go underground, you're like, there's not,
• 1:13:40
  there's a guard there.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: Right. And you're walking out with a lot of money.
• 1:13:45
  I remember when you were struggling in the early days
• 1:13:48
  of comedy when we kind of first met. Yeah. And
• 1:13:50
  you were making your money by winning pool tournaments or
• 1:13:54
  poker tournaments. Yeah. Finishing at least. Yeah. You would go
• 1:13:57
  to these casinos and you would play it like a job.
• 1:14:01
  You'd be like super serious.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: I read books on it.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The best book.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: There's tells and there's strategy.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: The best.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: My favorite book is this guy, Mike Caro. It's a
• 1:14:13
  book called Mike Caro's Book of Poker Tells. Yeah, I
• 1:14:17
  managed to use one of them once in a World
• 1:14:19
  Series event. This is the one where it goes, if
• 1:14:24
  someone looks at your chips, it's because they have a
• 1:14:26
  killer hand and they think those chips are theirs. And
• 1:14:29
  it's just like, you know when you lie, you look
• 1:14:31
  away a little bit? That's like a tell we all
• 1:14:33
  kind of know.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: So you look at the chips and you're like, ooh.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: You look at it just for a second and you're like,
• 1:14:37
  those are mine. You're not worried about your chips because
• 1:14:38
  you know your chips are staying. You've got a full house.
• 1:14:40
  You know those are safe. But you're looking at those
• 1:14:42
  like how much of that can I extract? So I
• 1:14:44
  was throwing a bluff down against a pro at the
• 1:14:47
  World Series. It was like whatever. And I was like,
• 1:14:50
  I think he must have read this book. And so
• 1:14:54
  I'm banking on that. So I'm holding my bluff nothing hand.
• 1:14:57
  I just kind of do a very subtly just do
• 1:14:59
  one little. And he goes, yeah, right. He chucked his
• 1:15:02
  hand away.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: He thought he had me read. But the best thing
• 1:15:06
  about Mike Carroll's.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: Poker tells- Oh, that's interesting. You double-crossed. I double-crossed. Ooh.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: I double-crossed, Joe.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: Clever. Thank you for recognizing that. I love that. Love
• 1:15:13
  a double-cross. I love that. That's so cool. That's the
• 1:15:16
  cool thing about poker, that it's like a lot of
• 1:15:19
  it's bullshit. You're bullshitting. You know?
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: You're bluffing. The best thing about the poker tells, it
• 1:15:23
  was written in the 70s, and there's a bunch of
• 1:15:26
  race-based tells.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah. Which ethnicities?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: All.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: All of them?
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: If an older white man re-raises you, get out. That
• 1:15:37
  guy doesn't bluff. He's just trying to play. You know,
• 1:15:40
  his wife died years ago. He's just trying to extend.
• 1:15:43
  They're like, if you're playing against a Mexican, find out
• 1:15:45
  when payday is. And if it was this Friday, they're bluffing.
• 1:15:49
  They're just throwing in anything. They just want to play.
• 1:15:51
  They're going to part with their monies. There's a whole
• 1:15:53
  thing on blacks. I forget exactly what they were saying
• 1:15:55
  on that. But it was like very interesting.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: What year was this written? I think in the 70s. Interesting.
• 1:15:59
  Back when you could be honest. Yeah. And he was like,
• 1:16:01
  I don't know. I was telling you how to win.
• 1:16:02
  All in the family days.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: You can get away with a lot of like honest
• 1:16:10
  observations about different cultures.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Mike Carroll's Book of Pocatel's. Orientals. Orientals. Either very skillful
• 1:16:18
  or very luck oriented. I like it says it now,
• 1:16:20
  Asian Americans. Like, what happened to Oriental? What happened to Oriental?
• 1:16:25
  Someone told me that Oriental is like a slur now.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: But it's actually the right word.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Is it? The Orient?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: It's people or goods from the Orient. You know what
• 1:16:33
  the opposite is?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: You and I, Occidental. People or goods from, I guess,
• 1:16:39
  not the Orient.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: Really? We're Occidentals? Mm-hmm. You know what's also interesting? It's
• 1:16:43
  like Asian. Not as racist. Asian is so much of
• 1:16:47
  the world. Yeah. Like, Asian includes India, which is Asian.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: Nah, if I was president, executive order.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: That's, no. No.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: That's not who we're talking about. That's not who we're
• 1:16:58
  talking about.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Isn't Pakistan in Asia? Yeah, right.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: That's Middle East.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: Fuck off. Fuck off.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, Israel is also Asia, by the way.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: But it's also like the Philippines is Asia.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: That's Asia. I'll give you that.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, but it's way over there. It's way over there.
• 1:17:14
  And then you got China, and then you got Japan,
• 1:17:16
  and then you got Korea, and South Korea, and North Korea.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's be real. China and Japan are the obvious ones. Yes.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: That's Asia. Those are the big ones.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: The further you get, the more- Korea. Korea's also a
• 1:17:26
  big one.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Korea, okay.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: Vietnam, you're still in the gold.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: Vietnam gets a little- Mongolia, I don't know. Well, they're
• 1:17:33
  almost Russian.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia is Asia.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Fuck off.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: We're talking about China and their subsidiaries.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Look how big Asia is. Cambodia, okay, sure. All the jungles. Wow.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: How many have I been to?
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: So Russia's technically Asia?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: That's Asian Russia.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: Israel is the craziest one.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: I got it cut off right here because it's like
• 1:17:52
  European Russia too.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. So there's Asian Russia. So that would be Siberia, right?
• 1:17:59
  The Maldives. But that would be like Mongolia for sure.
• 1:18:02
  Kazakhstan is Asia. Wow. Mongolia. But a lot of the
• 1:18:07
  Kazakhstan guys look Asian. Like this guy Shavkat Raghmanov who
• 1:18:12
  fights in the UFC.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: A Mongolian accent is crazy because it really is. It
• 1:18:17
  sounds like half Chinese, half Russian. They look Chinese speaking
• 1:18:21
  like the Russian accent.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: Hard people, bro. Hard people. Kazakhstan, India, Iran. Iran is Asia? Wow.
• 1:18:31
  Israel's Asia. Israel's Asia. Israel's the edge.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, basically everything that's on the other side.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: All those people are oriental. Orientals.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: Next time I go to Jerusalem, I'm going to call
• 1:18:42
  them all Orientals.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: Look how close Yemen is to Ethiopia. It feels like
• 1:18:46
  you could swim there.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: It really is. were motivated. Damn. Yeah.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: If you want to. You just go to a pool also.
• 1:18:54
  You don't really have to.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: Hey, look where Israel is. Look where Israel is.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: That's just so interesting. See how they split shit up?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Israel is like, that's what's nuts. You ever see the
• 1:19:06
  border between Egypt and Palestine? That border is nuts. What
• 1:19:11
  do you mean? Oh, my God. It's the most fortified
• 1:19:14
  border you've ever seen in your life. You think the
• 1:19:15
  border between Israel and Palestine is rough? Really? Yeah. The
• 1:19:19
  border between Egypt and Palestine is way harder to get through.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: They do not want those people in there.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: They do not want those people over there. You ever
• 1:19:27
  seen it? Fucking rolls of barbed wire. It's crazy. Yeah,
• 1:19:31
  look at that.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: What, does that guy just catch a baby being thrown over?
• 1:19:34
  Click on that one, please.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: The one that says the Arab Weekly on the top. Yeah,
• 1:19:39
  right there. Look at that. Look at that. Wow. You
• 1:19:42
  ain't getting through that.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: What a nice place to stroll for those two guys.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Just a relaxing afternoon near the Gaza wall. Look at that.
• 1:19:52
  That's crazy. Oh. Sad times. Oh, the saddest. The saddest.
• 1:20:02
  Peace in the Middle East. Yeah. Good luck.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: They're all nuts. It's even more nuts now. Look what's
• 1:20:10
  happening in Lebanon. Now they're bombing Lebanon, too. Really? Yeah.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: Follow any of this. Israel's bombing the shit out of
• 1:20:16
  southern Lebanon. Lebanon.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: I was reading about this. Ryan Grimm was covering this episode.
• 1:20:22
  Lebanon reporter, this reporter in Lebanon that Israel killed. They
• 1:20:27
  followed her with drones. They bombed a car in front
• 1:20:31
  of her. She ran into an abandoned building, and then
• 1:20:33
  they bombed the shit out of the building. And this
• 1:20:36
  took hours. And all the while, she was contacting, like,
• 1:20:40
  whoever runs Lebanon, and they were contacting Israel and saying, hey,
• 1:20:44
  this is a reporter. And so then they got text
• 1:20:49
  messages between– this– someone from the IDF had been saying
• 1:20:53
  to them, we're going to kill you. And then they
• 1:20:55
  got the number from her phone and contacted the person
• 1:20:57
  from the IDF. And they were saying, Hey, she works
• 1:20:59
  for Hezbollah and you know, fuck you. And you're naive. It's,
• 1:21:03
  it's crazy. Like they're just openly killing journalists.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: You know, they did a good job. And when I
• 1:21:08
  was traveling is they got it more than up here
• 1:21:11
  is separating Israel from Jew. They really were like, we
• 1:21:15
  don't have any problem with Jews, but they were like,
• 1:21:17
  be very staunchly like Israel.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: Well, if you live in Israel, you have to do
• 1:21:23
  military service, right? So everyone who lives in Israel is
• 1:21:27
  a part of the military in their eyes. Like everyone
• 1:21:30
  who lives in Israel has served in the military.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: It's interesting though. It's like a lot of those kids
• 1:21:35
  and then turn into adults are like very against what
• 1:21:38
  they're doing.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: It's like an uncovered, I think, like part of it.
• 1:21:42
  They're like, yeah, we don't like this. I mean half
• 1:21:44
  this country or more even didn't vote for Trump, didn't
• 1:21:47
  vote for Biden. So they're like, well, I don't like this.
• 1:21:49
  But then you're still like– you have to like– be
• 1:21:53
  pro everything about this thing, even though, like, you can
• 1:21:55
  not like certain things. Right.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: The idea that, like, all Israelis have a single hive mind. Yeah.
• 1:22:01
  That's crazy. That's not the case in any country ever.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: It's not the same in any crowd.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Especially a democracy, because Israel's, like, literally the only democracy
• 1:22:09
  over there, really.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they have parliament, too, so they have a
• 1:22:12
  lot of choices.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: And they're trying to, like, prosecute Netanyahu while all this
• 1:22:18
  is going on. Who, as the Israelis? Yeah. Wow. I mean,
• 1:22:20
  this was one of the things that, most people aren't
• 1:22:22
  aware of, but that before October 7th, there was hundreds
• 1:22:25
  of thousands of people on the streets in Israel protesting Netanyahu.
• 1:22:30
  We talked about it the other day because they were
• 1:22:32
  trying to expand, but this was before the war. So
• 1:22:35
  they were trying to expand what they can do in
• 1:22:38
  terms of like with their constitution. We talked about it.
• 1:22:42
  What was the exact, Chami, do you remember? The exact
• 1:22:46
  thing that they were disputing over? But it was expanding
• 1:22:49
  the power that the government has. And so people were
• 1:22:51
  protesting that. And then all of a sudden October 7th
• 1:22:53
  pops off. Pow. Yeah. And then, you know.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: So it happened here at 9-11. It became like if
• 1:23:00
  you say anything bad now, you're like a traitor instead
• 1:23:04
  of just like, well, I was already saying they have
• 1:23:06
  issues with, you know, police overstepping or whatever. You're like, well,
• 1:23:09
  now you can't say that for about three years.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah. So– Before October 7th, Israel experienced nine
• 1:23:17
  months of massive sustained protest against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government,
• 1:23:22
  largely driven by opposition to proposed judicial reforms. These demonstrations
• 1:23:27
  included hundreds of thousands of participants accused the right-wing coalition
• 1:23:31
  of undermining democracy, weakening the Supreme Court, and attempting to
• 1:23:34
  interfere with Netanyahu's ongoing corruption trial.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: And so that's the same as here, where it's not about, like,
• 1:23:40
  are you pro-gay marriage or not? Or are you pro, like,
• 1:23:43
  peace with Palestine or not? That's just people taking power.
• 1:23:46
  And so that goes beyond the right or left and
• 1:23:48
  just goes, no, no, that's an overstep.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's... It's fucked. It's fucked because it's not
• 1:23:56
  going to get any better. It's not. And they've destroyed Gaza.
• 1:23:58
  Gaza is just a wasteland now. I mean, someone posted
• 1:24:04
  recent video of Gaza, like what it looked like now.
• 1:24:07
  Like right now, they sent a drone or something to
• 1:24:11
  get video footage of what Gaza looks like. It's crazy.
• 1:24:16
  It's crazy. It looks like they dropped a nuke. They
• 1:24:19
  just did it slowly. Instead of dropping one nuke, they
• 1:24:23
  did thousands of fucking conventional bombs and did the kind
• 1:24:27
  of destruction that a nuke would do.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: It's interesting if you ask people how it's polarizing. Everybody
• 1:24:32
  got it polarized and you couldn't just be like, any
• 1:24:34
  suffering is wrong. But I could show you a dead
• 1:24:36
  baby and a lot of people would go, well, I
• 1:24:40
  got to know what their last name is first before
• 1:24:42
  I can tell you if I feel bad or not.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Instead of just like, that's clearly wrong.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: I know. That's what's so dark about it. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:24:48
  That's just so dark. And then if you talk about, like,
• 1:24:51
  what's happening in Gaza, people say, well, October 7th shouldn't
• 1:24:54
  have happened. Like, okay, you're right. It shouldn't have. But
• 1:24:57
  guess what? Those kids that live in Gaza, they didn't
• 1:25:00
  do October 7th. They didn't do it.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: Like, we're on their team. It's like, ah.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: What we did to Iran. What if Iran nukes New
• 1:25:06
  York City? Those kids that live in the Bronx, they
• 1:25:09
  had nothing to do with what happened in Iran. So, like,
• 1:25:12
  is that okay? Like, what are we talking about? It's
• 1:25:14
  a little mess. It's fucking nuts. It's... tribal warfare is
• 1:25:18
  fucking bananas that it's still going on in 2026.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: Well, I was talking to people when I knew like
• 1:25:22
  cousins and stuff in the military and they had just
• 1:25:24
  gotten out and they were like, we're all now, this
• 1:25:25
  is before October 7th. It's like a few years before,
• 1:25:28
  maybe 2018. They're like, we're talking now because we have
• 1:25:30
  the internet now. And we're like, this isn't sustainable and
• 1:25:33
  we don't want to keep doing this. We've got to
• 1:25:35
  start figuring out a peace thing. And then that's all
• 1:25:38
  gone now.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: It's all gone. Not only is it all gone, but
• 1:25:41
  now that they've started bombing Lebanon, everybody's really terrified because
• 1:25:44
  they're like, well, where is this going? Because they're bombing
• 1:25:46
  Christian villages in Lebanon. And there's video of them destroying
• 1:25:51
  these solar panels that these Christian villages have in Lebanon
• 1:25:54
  where they're just plowing over and using tractors to bomb.
• 1:25:58
  take down these solar panels.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: Part of me goes to like, this isn't the military.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Like, what are you doing?
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It still goes back to like Wesley Clark, if
• 1:26:05
  I got that right. Yeah, the seven countries. The seven countries.
• 1:26:07
  And Iran was on there. Oh, yeah. And we just
• 1:26:09
  hadn't gotten there yet.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: But that was always like, that's not a new thing
• 1:26:13
  that was just in the works for a couple decades
• 1:26:15
  just waiting for the time is right.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they wanted to do it within five years. It
• 1:26:19
  took 25. It took long. Yeah. The Wesley Clark thing
• 1:26:22
  is funny because, you know, Dave Smith had a debate
• 1:26:26
  with Coleman Hughes about that. Coleman Hughes is like– but
• 1:26:30
  Wesley Clark never said he read the memo. He said
• 1:26:32
  someone told him about the memo. He goes, any historian
• 1:26:35
  would not even be able to use that.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, I thought they said they– I don't know.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think the way Coleman was
• 1:26:42
  describing it. But the reality is, OK, yeah, you might
• 1:26:45
  be right. Maybe because he hadn't read it, any historian
• 1:26:48
  would not have been able to use it in the book.
• 1:26:50
  But the fact that it all took place exactly how
• 1:26:53
  the memo stated– That seems relevant.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: And that came out before. So you're like, hey, we're
• 1:26:58
  going to Iran soon. And then it's like, they did. Syria,
• 1:27:00
  they kept trying. Syria was the best to me because
• 1:27:04
  when Obama was doing it, and I don't care who's
• 1:27:06
  in charge, they're all doing the same shit to me.
• 1:27:08
  But they go, we got to go in there to
• 1:27:10
  overthrow this dictator. And then people would just come off
• 1:27:13
  the whole Middle Eastern war. Like, no, we're done. And
• 1:27:15
  so they couldn't justify it. And then they go, hey,
• 1:27:17
  this is insurgent group and they're going to get out
• 1:27:20
  of hand. We got to go in and control them.
• 1:27:22
  And then it's like, wait, you want to go fight
• 1:27:24
  the guy who was fighting against Assad. And then that
• 1:27:27
  ended and they go, no, we got to take down Assad.
• 1:27:29
  And it's like, you can really seem like you guys
• 1:27:30
  want to go into Syria looking for any sort of excuse.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: It's all crazy.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: Politics is stupid. Let's move on.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: It is gross. Yeah. Yeah. Your perspective is probably the healthiest.
• 1:27:43
  Stay out of it. Stay out of it. Leave me alone.
• 1:27:46
  Fuck you. Live my life. But the thing is like
• 1:27:48
  some of it does affect your life. Like this psychedelic
• 1:27:52
  drugs thing. OK.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: So in that moment where you got fucking maybe hopefully
• 1:27:58
  shrooms legalized, you know, in an ideal world is a
• 1:28:02
  very rare case of someone who can actually accomplish change.
• 1:28:06
  And you're at a higher level than most people in
• 1:28:09
  terms of influence, both personally and like broadly.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: But also the individual like him. Like most people wouldn't
• 1:28:18
  do it that way. Like if I was friends with Obama,
• 1:28:20
  there's not a fucking chance in hell I could have
• 1:28:22
  gone to Obama and said, hey, dude, you know what
• 1:28:24
  would be cool? If you got Ibogaine legalized, it would
• 1:28:26
  keep all these people that are addicted. He could have
• 1:28:28
  done that decades ago. Everyone could have done that. They've
• 1:28:32
  known about Ibogaine forever. And they've also known about the
• 1:28:34
  pill crisis forever. So all this stuff was common knowledge
• 1:28:38
  amongst plenty of people. people. I mean, John Hopkins has
• 1:28:42
  been doing these studies.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: John Hopkins has a playlist for shrooms.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: An MDMA.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: They make a playlist for you.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: They do?
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: That you can like, this is a good MDMA or
• 1:28:51
  I forget which one. It was a playlist.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: Is it like John Hopkins like sanctioned it or someone.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: Who was a student there?
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: A professor or something like that in the research they're doing.
• 1:29:01
  In the psilocybin research. It was all psilocybin, right?
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: And not Molly? I think, yeah. Hopkins was psilocybin. John
• 1:29:06
  Hopkins was all psilocybin.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they all kind of led the way. They have
• 1:29:08
  a playlist you can get. It's on Spotify or whatever.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: These people have been aware of it for so long.
• 1:29:14
  You know, inside the John Hopkins psilocybin playlist. Wow. This
• 1:29:18
  is 2020.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: Dude, I'm always amazed when my memory turns out to
• 1:29:22
  not be false.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: Look at that guy. He looks like he's tripping. He
• 1:29:25
  looks like he trips. He's like an old dude who's
• 1:29:26
  tripped balls. Just hug people. Look at his smile. That
• 1:29:29
  guy's not working for an insurance company.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: Loosen his tie.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Bill Richards. Look, he's tripped. Psychologist and researcher. They
• 1:29:37
  should put researcher in quotes.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: Psychologist, researcher, and former deadhead.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think of it as a nonverbal support system,
• 1:29:46
  sort of like a net for a trapeze artist. If
• 1:29:49
  all's going well, you're not even aware the net is there.
• 1:29:52
  You don't even hear the music. But if you start
• 1:29:54
  getting anxious or if you need it, it's immediately there
• 1:29:57
  to provide a structure. Oh, Bill, you trip hard.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: When I was doing ayahuasca, this guy was like– this
• 1:30:02
  shaman guy was like beating a drum very lightly. And
• 1:30:05
  when you come out of it, whatever, the slow like–
• 1:30:09
  it would kind of like pull you back into it.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: Seven-hour and 40-minute playlist. Boy, those guys go hard. They
• 1:30:17
  make sure. Symphony of Sorrowful Songs. Hey. Hey. Don't do that.
• 1:30:23
  Don't give me sorrowful songs while I'm tripping. Are you
• 1:30:26
  trying to have a bad time? Yeah, I want to
• 1:30:28
  hear beautiful music.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: Think about your grandmother's death. No, not grandma. People always
• 1:30:35
  ask me about mushrooms, like, is it going to be
• 1:30:36
  this emotional, like, spiritual thing? I'm like, if that gets
• 1:30:40
  hyped more, you're going to laugh with your friends.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: That's the main thing.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: There's going to be, I mean, it depends on the dose, right? Like,
• 1:30:47
  a heavy dose will bring you to a very strange place. Dude,
• 1:30:50
  I had a.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: Best mushroom trip of all time on this trip.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. Of all time. Yeah, maybe. Maybe, maybe the
• 1:30:56
  first one. The Muhammad Ali of mushroom trips.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it wasn't like it was crazy hard. It
• 1:31:00
  was just they were fresh. And it was just like
• 1:31:03
  the thoughts. And it was just in places where nobody
• 1:31:06
  really gave a fuck. So you didn't feel like you
• 1:31:07
  were like a drug addict. And just like, yeah, just
• 1:31:11
  seeing everything so clear. Mushrooms fucking rule. You just see
• 1:31:15
  everything so clear. It kills the you in your brain.
• 1:31:19
  It kills the bullshit part.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: And so you go like, look at this behavior. And
• 1:31:22
  it's the same as analyzing someone else's behavior or your own.
• 1:31:25
  There's the same.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: That's one of the problems that comes with living a
• 1:31:29
  stressful life is you get really wrapped up in yourself.
• 1:31:33
  Like you're managing yourself. You're managing your thoughts. You're managing
• 1:31:36
  your whatever you're trying to do. And you think so
• 1:31:39
  much about you that a thing like that can take
• 1:31:43
  you out of that. And you go, oh, what am
• 1:31:44
  I wasting my thoughts on this for? Why am I
• 1:31:47
  wasting my energy on this? It's so pointless. It's not
• 1:31:51
  helping me at all. And you see people.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: I saw my father for like who he really is now,
• 1:31:55
  just like a loving, caring granddad. And they're like, oh,
• 1:31:58
  what a fucking cool guy that I always saw as
• 1:32:00
  like this guy I grew up with. And then just like, man. Yeah.
• 1:32:04
  And just like realizing like I'm doing the same stuff
• 1:32:06
  he did, like going, you know, starting a new life.
• 1:32:10
  He did the same shit coming to America. And it's like, wow,
• 1:32:12
  what a Look at it separately from your father. Like,
• 1:32:14
  that's a cool guy.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: You talked about having your father come on this podcast
• 1:32:18
  to talk about his experience as a Holocaust survivor. He would.
• 1:32:21
  How old is he now? He's about to be 90. Wow.
• 1:32:25
  Still with it, though.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: He's not, like, feeble.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah. Would he do it? He would do it.
• 1:32:31
  He loves getting the word out. How old was he
• 1:32:33
  when he was in the camps? Young. Single digits. Wow.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: I think maybe released at 12.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he would do it.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: He would love it because he works at the Holocaust
• 1:32:43
  Memorial as a docent or something.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: He has a tattoo and everything. Does he have a tattoo?
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: He wasn't in a death camp.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: He was in a war camp.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: I believe, this is all, I believe my grandfather, his dad,
• 1:32:58
  was liberated from a death camp. But yeah, you should
• 1:33:02
  talk to him. He would actually love it. He loved
• 1:33:03
  getting the word out. I've seen him make speeches before
• 1:33:05
  and there's all these inner city kids from like Kansas City,
• 1:33:08
  you know, and then when they hear him talk, it's
• 1:33:10
  just this moment you realize like, Oh, this isn't a story.
• 1:33:13
  This is like.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: His life.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a real thing.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: Like Attila the Hun, you're like, that seems like a
• 1:33:18
  fictional character.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: Because they're so removed from it. And this is just
• 1:33:21
  at the borderline of that. Dude, he would. Yeah, you
• 1:33:24
  should do it.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: I would do it. I'd love to have him on.
• 1:33:26
  Talk to him. It's a weird time with. It's a
• 1:33:30
  weird time. With anything that has anything to do with
• 1:33:33
  people being Jewish. Because. Yeah. They conflate Jewish people with
• 1:33:39
  the Israeli government. The Netanyahu government and what they're doing
• 1:33:42
  in Gaza and what they're doing in all the other places.
• 1:33:44
  And it's also– it's like there's a weird time now
• 1:33:47
  where people are enjoying questioning the numbers of people that
• 1:33:51
  died in the Holocaust.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: It's the internet.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's just kind of like– But just like– but
• 1:33:56
  there is some weirdness to it. And one of the
• 1:33:58
  weirdness to it is like there's some photos of like
• 1:34:01
  Auschwitz and a lot of these other– that they took
• 1:34:03
  after the camps were liberated. And they had people go
• 1:34:06
  there and they took photos of them. lot like pretending
• 1:34:10
  that these people were at the camps and they weren't
• 1:34:13
  they were done after the fact yeah but there's also
• 1:34:17
  tons of videos it.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: Was only one million what so so that's okay somehow
• 1:34:21
  you want to justify it in your head yeah it's
• 1:34:23
  that's where it's weird i don't know but it's 600
• 1:34:25
  people i'd be like.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: Right well it's it's clearly there was a lot of
• 1:34:28
  people it was i don't know what the number is
• 1:34:31
  but if it was six million or if it was
• 1:34:34
  one million or three million It's like to catch people like, no, no,
• 1:34:38
  you guys said it was six.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: And then the thing is like it's 1945. It's the
• 1:34:41
  30s and 40s. So it's like– I don't know how–
• 1:34:44
  we're guessing. We don't have the wherewithal. And you ask
• 1:34:47
  somebody in the Holocaust, they go, well, I was only
• 1:34:49
  in my one camp. I can't tell you what was
• 1:34:50
  going on in Bergen-Belsen.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: But there's people that are like equally sure that it
• 1:34:54
  was six million and then there's people that are equally
• 1:34:56
  sure that it was like 300,000 or 600,000 or whatever
• 1:34:59
  the fuck they think it was. And it's like this
• 1:35:01
  weird argument back and forth.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: I mean you have to see how many– jews were
• 1:35:06
  in europe before and after right and there should be
• 1:35:09
  more it's funny you see like if you have a
• 1:35:11
  stat like that like separated from this like in uh
• 1:35:14
  as in peru we were hiking much to machu picchu
• 1:35:17
  you know neil oh we gotta talk about that and
• 1:35:20
  and uh and they're like it's fucking pouring rain and
• 1:35:23
  everybody there they're not liberal or conservative they just go
• 1:35:27
  it's been raining earlier than it should be And they
• 1:35:30
  don't know about the word climate change. They just go,
• 1:35:32
  we're told November 1st is when you plant. After that,
• 1:35:35
  you're in a risk. Now this is mid-October. And I
• 1:35:37
  don't know what's up.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: Well, there's going to be climate change whether human beings
• 1:35:42
  are here or not. That's the reality of the earth.
• 1:35:44
  The earth's temperature and climate has never been static. And
• 1:35:49
  the real problem with climate change is not recognizing that
• 1:35:52
  human beings are having an adverse effect on the planet
• 1:35:54
  because we certainly are in terms of pollution and particulate release.
• 1:35:58
  But that people like Al Gore and a lot of
• 1:36:01
  these fucking– these greenies, they're profiting off of this concept
• 1:36:07
  of climate change and then also using it to clamp
• 1:36:11
  down on people's rights. There's that too.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: Like we talked about people taking money from a good cause.
• 1:36:16
  So it's like for every good thing, they'll be like
• 1:36:19
  somebody is going to misuse it.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. For every good thing. But then it
• 1:36:22
  becomes a thing where like when I had Bernie Sanders
• 1:36:25
  on the podcast, he was like talking about it. And
• 1:36:28
  I said to him, I go, the problem with climate
• 1:36:30
  change is not just that the climate is changing because
• 1:36:33
  it always has. But the people are having an effect
• 1:36:36
  on it because they definitely are. But it's that there's
• 1:36:38
  a lot of money in this whole concept of climate change.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: The fake recycling that was never done.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: Ground landfills. It's all landfills.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: But it's better than nothing. No, it's equal to nothing.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not only that, but you fucking made people
• 1:36:51
  feel like they were doing good by throwing their fucking
• 1:36:54
  water bottles in a blue thing.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: It's pacifying them. It's all kind of crazy.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: We're gross. Yeah. People are gross.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: But it was cool to- I see people's perspectives that
• 1:37:03
  were like away from political and just their observations about stuff.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: Recognize that things change. Yeah. Sub-Saharan Africa used to be
• 1:37:11
  lush greenlands. I mean they find whale bones in sub-Saharan
• 1:37:16
  Africa in the desert. In the desert, they find whale
• 1:37:20
  skeletons in the desert way before there were cars. Right. Okay.
• 1:37:25
  Way before there were plastic and power plants. So the
• 1:37:30
  earth's climate has never been static. But the Machu Picchu
• 1:37:35
  thing is– I really want to go there. My friend
• 1:37:38
  Luke Caverns, he's been on the podcast before. He's studied
• 1:37:41
  a ton. I've been three times. Has he really?
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: But as a kid. That's what I meant like– Oh, yeah.
• 1:37:45
  So they're like, oh, it's a one-hour flight from Lima.
• 1:37:49
  And then just take the train. But like– Yeah, it's
• 1:37:53
  pretty wild. So you're saying it wasn't even the Aztecs?
• 1:37:55
  Is that what you told me?
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the Incas. Incas, Incas, Incas. Yeah, it wasn't.
• 1:38:00
  They don't think it was. They think the initial monolithic
• 1:38:03
  structures or megalithic structures were an earlier, previously unknown civilization
• 1:38:09
  because the size and scope of their structures, the way
• 1:38:14
  they build it, and Graham Hancock has gone over this
• 1:38:17
  as well, is so much different than the stuff that's
• 1:38:20
  on top of it. So what happens is you have
• 1:38:22
  this old stuff that's enormous stones that are cut like jigsaws, right?
• 1:38:28
  And almost like it's melted, like the way it looks.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: You can't put a piece of paper through it after
• 1:38:34
  200 years of like breakdowns.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: Way more than 200 years. It's thousands of years. But
• 1:38:39
  the thing that's really nutty about it is that design
• 1:38:42
  is because when they have earthquakes, that way it won't
• 1:38:45
  fall off. It disperses the energy better as opposed to
• 1:38:48
  just stacking stuff on top of each other. That stuff falls.
• 1:38:51
  But when it's all interlocked in these weird forms, like
• 1:38:54
  that shit. Yeah.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: So Che Guevara talks about it a little bit where
• 1:38:57
  he goes– so Cusco is the gem of South America.
• 1:39:01
  It was the border of the Andes where people would
• 1:39:03
  come in and do trade and everything. And you see
• 1:39:05
  this and the Christians would come in, take over. And
• 1:39:08
  build like facades on it and put a cross on
• 1:39:10
  top to be like, look what we did. We're more
• 1:39:12
  dominant than these people. And then an earthquake could come.
• 1:39:14
  Facade would fall, and this would just remain.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: That stuff remains. Over and over and over again. Over
• 1:39:18
  and over again. These aren't even squares.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: Look at that. It's like Tetris.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so cool. And that was on purpose. They
• 1:39:25
  did that because that's what would survive. But if you
• 1:39:28
  look at the stuff above it, that's the stuff that
• 1:39:30
  the Incas made. So the Incas made this stuff. It's
• 1:39:33
  all just stacked. It's not as sophisticated and also not
• 1:39:36
  as large because they didn't have the technology. Whatever the
• 1:39:39
  fuck these people had that was huge. Look how big
• 1:39:41
  that rock is. I mean- hundreds and thousands of tons.
• 1:39:46
  I mean, these things are fucking enormous. The really crazy
• 1:39:49
  one is the Lebanon ones in Lebanon.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: I've been there. Wait, no, Jordan, Jordan.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about is the, so in Lebanon, they have
• 1:39:58
  these massive stone. What do they call Jamie? The trilithon stones.
• 1:40:03
  So there's these stones that are like more than a
• 1:40:06
  thousand tons. And they're like several meters above the ground place.
• 1:40:12
  And then on top of them, You have these Roman structures. Oh, right.
• 1:40:17
  So if you see like there, like that click where
• 1:40:19
  you had your cursor. Yeah. Look at the size of
• 1:40:21
  that guy. Wow. And look at the size of that stone.
• 1:40:25
  And then you see the stuff on top of it
• 1:40:26
  is smaller. It's not as sophisticated. And then you had
• 1:40:30
  the Roman. Now, the thing about the Romans is Romans
• 1:40:32
  had meticulous record keeping. And they talked about all the
• 1:40:36
  construction of all the different things they had. They don't
• 1:40:38
  even mention those stones. So it wasn't them. They don't
• 1:40:40
  mention how they– no. I don't think it was them.
• 1:40:42
  I think it was a previous civilization. Look at that
• 1:40:44
  fucking thing.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, bro. I'm about to– do you know Nazca Lines?
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: Yes. Okay.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: I saw them. Oh, did you?
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: I flew over them.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: Bro, how weird is that? They're so big. The pictures
• 1:40:54
  won't do it justice because you'll see like a road.
• 1:40:56
  They didn't know because from the ground level, you can't
• 1:40:58
  see any of it. And so they just build these
• 1:41:00
  roads through the desert. And so you can see a
• 1:41:02
  car sometimes like for perspective. And you're like it's this
• 1:41:06
  dot on this giant monkey. In the middle of a desert.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: For however many hundreds of years.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They don't even know how long.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: They're crazy.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: Weird.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: And they're all like signals to something. There's all these
• 1:41:19
  theories on what it is.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: Something from the sky. You have to see them from above.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: You can only see them from above.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: That's nuts.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: Pilots would go over there and then somebody's like, what's that?
• 1:41:27
  I go, oh yeah, we don't know. We just kind
• 1:41:28
  of go over.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: Well, they found a bunch of them now because of AI.
• 1:41:31
  You know, they've like scanned the areas and found a
• 1:41:33
  bunch of previously undiscovered Nazca lines. Wow. Yeah. And the
• 1:41:38
  weird thing about it is that's also the place where
• 1:41:39
  they find these people with elongated skulls. They find like
• 1:41:43
  these weird skulls that have additional capacity. So they have
• 1:41:46
  like 30% more capacity and they don't have the same
• 1:41:49
  lines in their skulls that we have like when we're babies.
• 1:41:53
  You know, we have these, what are they called? Sagittal.
• 1:41:55
  I forget what the lines are called.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: Sagittal crest.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: These lines that we have in our skull. You know,
• 1:42:00
  like your skull is not just one piece, right? It's like.
• 1:42:03
  There's a bunch of pieces.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: The Incas used to tie them off so they get
• 1:42:06
  longer as a sign of like.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but some of these skulls don't have the same
• 1:42:11
  structure as ours. They're human skulls, but they're longer. They
• 1:42:14
  have more capacity of the 30% larger capacity and they
• 1:42:20
  don't have those lines that we have. So it's like,
• 1:42:24
  what was that? Were there different kinds of humans back then?
• 1:42:28
  Were they flying around? Were they flying around and making
• 1:42:33
  these fucking structures? Were they responsible for Sacsayhuaman and Machu
• 1:42:38
  Picchu and all these other places? And they just died
• 1:42:40
  off and all we have left is like some skulls
• 1:42:42
  that we can't totally explain? We don't have the means
• 1:42:45
  to explain it yet. Right, because if it was 20,000
• 1:42:47
  years ago or 30,000 years ago or whatever it was
• 1:42:49
  that these people were ruling back then, what would be left?
• 1:42:53
  Fucking nothing. Nothing. Very little.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, look at Angkor Wat where it's like.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you didn't see it. It's shocking any.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: Of it remained. Yeah. Well, Angkor Wat's crazy. And how
• 1:43:04
  about that other one in India where the entire temple's
• 1:43:07
  carved out of one stone?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: Or the one in Jordan. What is those places? The
• 1:43:16
  Indiana Jones one. What's that called? That's where I went
• 1:43:19
  with my brother.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what is that called? What is it, Jimmy? Petra.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Petra.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: It's nuts. You come through this canyon and it's just
• 1:43:26
  in a mountain. A giant three-story mountain. temple that is
• 1:43:30
  just carved out of the mountain. It wasn't added to.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: Right. And where's the stone? Where'd you put the stones?
• 1:43:36
  What'd you do?
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: That view, coming out of the middle one, coming out
• 1:43:39
  of that cavern and seeing it after about.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: An hour hike. That's crazy.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: You have to see a human. See how small that
• 1:43:45
  person is in the middle? That is so crazy.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: So like, what?
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of Derinkuyu?
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: In Turkey? This is crazy. You want to hear this one?
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: It's a place or a person?
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: It's a place. It's a place. So I think they
• 1:44:02
  found this because someone was doing like construction on a
• 1:44:06
  house and they found a– oh, so this is what
• 1:44:10
  it was. So a guy kept losing his chickens. They
• 1:44:14
  would go through a hole and they would never come out.
• 1:44:17
  So this guy was like, well, where the fuck are
• 1:44:18
  these chickens going? So they broke down the wall to
• 1:44:20
  figure out where the chickens go. And they found an
• 1:44:24
  underground city that can hold 20,000 people. Turkey? With many,
• 1:44:30
  many levels.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: Like, many levels deep into the ground. Wow. It's fucking bananas. Wow. Yes.
• 1:44:38
  It's like an anthill. I watched a documentary. Now, you see... Wow. Like,
• 1:44:44
  you see where you... Could you please go back to
• 1:44:47
  that one image with the houses? Yeah, like that. Like,
• 1:44:51
  so this guy... It was like behind a fucking wall
• 1:44:55
  in a house. So these chickens would go into the
• 1:44:58
  hole and they would just disappear. So I was like,
• 1:45:01
  where's my fucking chickens? So the guy starts digging around
• 1:45:04
  to try to figure out where the chickens go and
• 1:45:05
  they found this. And I want to say they found
• 1:45:08
  this in like the 20th century.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: I think it was the 20s I just saw.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: 1920s?
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: Like 29 maybe.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: So they forgot about it?
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: Nobody knew about it. Nobody knew who made it. There
• 1:45:19
  was no record of it. And it can house 20,000
• 1:45:25
  people in there. What was it for? No one knows.
• 1:45:28
  No one knows when. No one knows who. No one
• 1:45:31
  knows nothing. There's other ones they found in China. They
• 1:45:34
  found this fucking insane one in China that also has
• 1:45:37
  no records. It's enormous, like enormous caverns with giant columns.
• 1:45:44
  It's all carved out of the stone. They moved millions
• 1:45:48
  of tons of rocks out of there. No record. No
• 1:45:51
  one knows where the stone went.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: I was staying with the Lakandans, Mayans, whatever. And we
• 1:45:57
  were on a hike and there was this little like
• 1:45:58
  abandoned temple just the size of this room. And so
• 1:46:01
  the guide was like, so now there's a tunnel in
• 1:46:02
  here to like the main temple. It's about a mile
• 1:46:04
  and a half away. And there's a tunnel where you
• 1:46:06
  can go through it. It takes a couple hours to walk.
• 1:46:09
  And he goes, you know, my brother wants, he goes,
• 1:46:10
  I'll never go back. It's so frightening. And there's fucking
• 1:46:13
  Pumas around and.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: You don't know. Pumas in the tunnel? Yeah.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: You're like, you can't see shit. He goes, it's a
• 1:46:19
  bad place, but it's this long underground tunnel that was made.
• 1:46:22
  What the fuck?
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: This is the one in China.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: This is one of the caves.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: So this is one of these caves in China. By
• 1:46:28
  the way, no record, no historical record of when it
• 1:46:31
  was created or who created it. And this is another
• 1:46:36
  one that they found. In 1992, they found it. Four
• 1:46:39
  farmers in Longview found the caves, and they drained the
• 1:46:42
  water from five small ponds in their village. The ponds
• 1:46:45
  turned out to be five large man-made caverns. Further investigation
• 1:46:49
  revealed 19 more caverns nearby. They've been determined to be
• 1:46:53
  more than 2,000 years old, and their construction is not
• 1:46:56
  recorded in any historical documents. Like, look how crazy. Please
• 1:47:00
  show some of those images.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's only one on this page.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: Oh. Fucking bananas. So they're just guessing that it's 2,000
• 1:47:06
  years old. They don't know. Right, right.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: They're just like.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: Because there's no record. There's no record of it. But
• 1:47:11
  it's bananas. And they've also, those carvings they think are post.
• 1:47:16
  Later people. Yeah.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: Post discovery. That's their way of doing. Yeah.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: Because you see how like those lines on the walls,
• 1:47:24
  that's how everything looks. It's just those carved straight lines.
• 1:47:26
  And it looks like. The other stuff was like more
• 1:47:29
  modern that they carved out.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: Do you think those lines are so that the erosion
• 1:47:32
  wouldn't hurt it as much?
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean that might have been how
• 1:47:35
  they did it. They might have had some sort of
• 1:47:36
  a device that they carved the stone out with. But
• 1:47:39
  the thing is it's like– Where is this on a map?
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: Show me where Long Yu is on a map. I
• 1:47:45
  want to visit a lot of China. There's a lot
• 1:47:48
  of places in there that I'm like don't know about.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: China is a big ass place. Back out, back out.
• 1:47:53
  China's so big. Longyu Caverns. Keep going back. Keep going back.
• 1:47:59
  Let me see the context. Oh, my God. That's pretty
• 1:48:03
  deep in there. Good luck. It's near Wuhan. Look. Yeah.
• 1:48:07
  Take a train to Wuhan. Catch a bug.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: Go eat some armadillo. Pangolin. Pangolin.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: That's how you got leprosy, eating armadillo and pangolin. You're
• 1:48:16
  really not supposed to eat those things.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: Go back to the images, please. The images. are nuts, man.
• 1:48:21
  It's like, what were these people doing? Who made this?
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: I love standing in a place like that and you
• 1:48:28
  just instantly get connected to the history of it.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: Could you imagine it's 1992 and you're just draining a pond?
• 1:48:35
  You're a farmer. You're a farmer. And then you drain
• 1:48:38
  the pond and you go, oh, there's a cave in here.
• 1:48:42
  And you go and you see this shit. And no
• 1:48:45
  one knows who made it. And China, again, China has
• 1:48:49
  extensive historical records because China has existed for thousands and
• 1:48:52
  thousands of years. It's one of the few countries that's
• 1:48:55
  essentially been just China for 5,000 plus years. Bananas, man.
• 1:49:01
  Aquarium for real dragons. Keep it somewhere. Well, I mean,
• 1:49:10
  who made it and how did they make it? Like,
• 1:49:12
  how did they do that? For what? For what purpose?
• 1:49:15
  How did they make that 2,000 plus years? And by
• 1:49:18
  saying 2,000, it's like you're just taking a guess.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: 2,000 means, so there's a Joan Didion piece on El
• 1:49:25
  Salvador from a long time ago. And she goes, they
• 1:49:29
  don't use numbers the way we use numbers. They say 50.
• 1:49:31
  It means a bunch.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, like 72 virgins.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just a bunch, an amount.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: Like, bro, he went there a million times.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: Tons of, tons of, like, what is a ton?
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, bro, I smoke tons of joints. Yeah, it's not possible.
• 1:49:45
  Break it down. So Perplexity, our AI sponsor, says, no
• 1:49:48
  one knows for certain who created the Longview Caves. Archaeologists
• 1:49:51
  agree they are man-made and probably over 2,000 years old,
• 1:49:55
  but there's no record of their builders or patrons. That's crazy.
• 1:50:00
  That is so crazy. Oh, pottery and other finds inside
• 1:50:03
  date roughly to the late Qin or Western Han period,
• 1:50:07
  around 200 BCE, suggesting they were excavated at or before
• 1:50:11
  that time. But the thing is that pottery could have
• 1:50:15
  been someone who just left pottery later. It's like if
• 1:50:19
  you leave behind a cell phone in Egypt and 5,000
• 1:50:22
  years from now, people say, oh, well, this is an
• 1:50:24
  iPhone 16.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: This must be from- But that means it has to
• 1:50:26
  be at least that old.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: Or older. At least that old or older. So it's
• 1:50:29
  at least 2,000 plus years old. But how crazy is
• 1:50:32
  that there's no known records?
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: You should go in quick and just bury some like
• 1:50:37
  shit from a long time ago. Get some artifacts and
• 1:50:39
  just leave it in there. How much shit.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: Like that is still out there in other parts of
• 1:50:43
  the world where they don't know about it?
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: Well, it's like this tunnel that the Mayan guy said.
• 1:50:47
  He was like, yeah, no one knows. He goes, me
• 1:50:49
  and my friends know about it.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: So it's just like everywhere.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: Well, we were talking about the Aztecs, about how the
• 1:50:55
  Aztecs– and this is another thing that I found out
• 1:50:57
  through perplexity when I was just– I was writing this
• 1:50:58
  thing about Mexico and about how crazy the history of
• 1:51:01
  Mexico is. And that the Spaniards came over with essentially
• 1:51:05
  like 12 muskets and took over the whole country. But
• 1:51:09
  when they– when the Aztecs were living in these temples,
• 1:51:13
  they didn't build them. They called them the place where
• 1:51:16
  the gods were born. So they found them. So there's
• 1:51:20
  a previous civilization like Teotihuacan. Thieu Chit Lan and all
• 1:51:24
  these other beautiful pyramids and temples. They don't know who
• 1:51:28
  fucking made them. They don't know who made them.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: That cave in Vietnam was found in 1991.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, I saw the 60 minutes thing on that. Did
• 1:51:38
  you see that? Look at that. That dude from 60 Minutes,
• 1:51:41
  like a dude and a lady from 60 Minutes went
• 1:51:43
  and visited this cave. And I was like, that's one
• 1:51:47
  cool thing about something like 60 Minutes. That they would
• 1:51:50
  do something like that. Because it's a long journey. Wow.
• 1:51:53
  You have to fly in, drive a long distance, then
• 1:51:56
  hike a long distance. Some of these places aren't any,
• 1:51:58
  nothing's there. You can fit skyscrapers inside of these caves.
• 1:52:02
  They have their own ecosystems. Like there's clouds in there.
• 1:52:05
  It probably fucking rains inside the cave.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: There's insects. There's animals that live in these caves that
• 1:52:10
  have over time lost their ability to see because they
• 1:52:13
  didn't need it. So their hearing goes up. Their sight
• 1:52:15
  goes down. There's like bugs in like Thailand and like
• 1:52:18
  Sapong and places like that where it's like, oh, yeah,
• 1:52:21
  these animals only exist here.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: They hear you breathe.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 4: There's a salamander in Barton Creek Springs.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a special salamander.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? It only lives there?
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: It's a fucking hippie salamander that got mixed with. Weird
• 1:52:31
  people swimming in the creek here.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, whoa.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: They survive on chicks with arm hair. They're only able
• 1:52:38
  to survive here.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: Hippie menstrual cycles. Yeah, I was doing bottom of the
• 1:52:42
  barrel last night and somebody brought up that there's nude
• 1:52:45
  beaches at Lake Travis. And I'm like, what is it like?
• 1:52:49
  Barton Springs. No, no, no. Barton's topless. You know when
• 1:52:52
  you take a, well, maybe.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: When you take one of those boat rides out.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: Chicks, they show the. Bro. Bro. It's noice. Noice? Yeah. Noice?
• 1:52:59
  It's noice.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: Hippie tits? Some of them are gross hippie tits, but
• 1:53:02
  some of them are like real tits, dude.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: Real ones.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: Influencers go there, too.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, like girls who do too much ayahuasca and they
• 1:53:08
  wear wooden beads and they want their tits out?
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: Dude, so I was in Patagonia.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: Hippie Hollow Park. 4.6 stars. That's a lot. Not bad.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: I was asking people. It was a rafting thing. And
• 1:53:19
  I was like, who's the worst? I always try to
• 1:53:21
  do this, especially at comedy clubs, too. Who's the worst
• 1:53:22
  person you've ever had here?
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: So there's like, which country, which people are the worst?
• 1:53:26
  And they go, I don't know. I'm like, listen, I'm
• 1:53:27
  from Jews. So you can, it's Jews, right? I mean,
• 1:53:30
  they want freebies for sure. But like, uh, we're trying
• 1:53:33
  to get which, which country's worst. And he goes, well,
• 1:53:35
  the worst overall though is influencers and they have no country,
• 1:53:39
  but they make everything about them. They make you pause
• 1:53:42
  too long to take their shots. They make you get
• 1:53:44
  out of their shot.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: We're all just trying to raft. They think they're there
• 1:53:46
  for them.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. One of the influencers got arrested in Korea. Yeah.
• 1:53:52
  johnny somali do you know who that guy is he
• 1:53:55
  was in korea and apparently they have some statue that
• 1:54:00
  is about i think it's something about sex slavery or
• 1:54:05
  something like that so he was like kissing the statue
• 1:54:08
  and being rude to people and they just sentenced him
• 1:54:11
  to he did a bunch of shit over there they
• 1:54:13
  sent him to six months of hard labor in korea.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: We need some of that here for influencers Quit doing
• 1:54:19
  fucking selfie talking while you're walking. You're not a black lady.
• 1:54:23
  You don't get to talk to your phone.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: Black ladies get to talk to their phone?
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, they love speakerphone.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: Why do they do it like that?
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just black ladies.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: And it's like, why do you think they like that?
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: Why do they like it? They want everyone to hear
• 1:54:40
  their conversation. Maybe because their fucking nails will cut up
• 1:54:42
  their face if they bring it too close. I'm trying
• 1:54:46
  to think of possible reasons.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: It is weird where like certain cultures gravitate towards certain
• 1:54:51
  behavior and activities.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: It's new racism. It's fun because it's like this isn't
• 1:54:54
  in the books. This is a brand new observation.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: Speakerphone is like– I remember being outside of Roscoe's Chicken
• 1:55:01
  and Waffles and saying like how many– how come so
• 1:55:04
  many black guys are on speakerphone? And people are like
• 1:55:06
  that's racist. I'm like no, it's not. No, it's a
• 1:55:08
  racial observation. Observing.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not mad at them.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't care. I'm just wondering why. Like why
• 1:55:13
  is it worse that I hear both sides of the
• 1:55:15
  conversation versus one side? Like if someone's just talking on
• 1:55:18
  the phone, why is that less offensive than someone talking
• 1:55:23
  to a speaker phone? You can observe.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: Why do the Hasidic Jews always talk on flip phones
• 1:55:26
  all the time? And you're like, there's something up.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: Do they?
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. There's some where it's like, why do the people
• 1:55:31
  used to ask me that when I would do G
• 1:55:32
  & As, when I was doing the Jew.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: Hour building it. So they'd ask questions.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: Doing the check drops. I'd be like, ask questions. And
• 1:55:38
  I would build my material that way.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's smart.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: But one of them was like, why do they all
• 1:55:41
  wear matching clothes to daughters? Or like if one's 10,
• 1:55:44
  one's eight, why do they wear matching stuff? That's the
• 1:55:46
  only one I couldn't figure out until I finally figured
• 1:55:49
  it out. It's two-for-one sales.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: United threatens to kick off passengers who don't use headphones. Yeah, good. Oh, well,
• 1:55:56
  that's because people are listening to loud YouTube videos right.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: Next to that. Bro, all over South America.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: It is. Scroll Instagram videos loudly. There's no even thought.
• 1:56:07
  We were on an overnight bus once, and there was
• 1:56:09
  a guy listening to Best Hollywood Screams. And it was like, dude,
• 1:56:14
  we're sleeping.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, God. It's crazy.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: They just don't do it. And you want to be like,
• 1:56:19
  be quiet. But they're like, why? It's not part of
• 1:56:21
  our culture.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: It's like the Dominican pool hall.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: This is how we do it. That is used to
• 1:56:26
  the chaos. It's weird that people get used to a
• 1:56:30
  certain amount of chaos.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: And that's just normal.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. New York is a normal jackhammer.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: It's like nothing. Yeah. If you live in New York,
• 1:56:37
  you're totally accustomed to it. Oh, that was what I
• 1:56:39
  wanted to send you, Jamie. I don't know. Maybe I
• 1:56:40
  did send it to you the other day. About where
• 1:56:43
  they figured out that there's a part of your brain
• 1:56:45
  that recognizes when birds aren't chirping. Ooh. And you kind
• 1:56:50
  of freak out.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: Because there should be some background noise.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: Well, if birds aren't chirping, it generally means that predators
• 1:56:56
  are nearby. Oh. Got it.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: Their brain as a circuit doesn't know you live in
• 1:57:02
  a city. Its only job is to monitor whether birds
• 1:57:05
  are still singing.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: Right now in this room, it's on. The circuit predates primates. Whoa.
• 1:57:11
  Mammals have been using ambient soundscape continually as a predator
• 1:57:14
  detection system for roughly 200 million years. Birds stop singing
• 1:57:19
  when something larger moves through their territory. For most of
• 1:57:22
  the mammalian history, the forest full of song meant that
• 1:57:25
  no large predator was nearby, and the cessation of sound
• 1:57:29
  was the warning. Your nervous system never updated this software.
• 1:57:33
  A loud quiet.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: Thumbs up.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: The Max Planck Institute tested the inverse in 2022. With
• 1:57:42
  295 participants, six minutes of birdsong dropped anxiety with a
• 1:57:46
  medium effect size. Six minutes of traffic noise raised depression
• 1:57:51
  with the same. The effect worked on subjects who lived
• 1:57:54
  in dense urban environments and had no regular contact with nature.
• 1:57:59
  The brain still ran the check.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: Listen, I'm a hippie. I live in New York, and
• 1:58:04
  it's like I got to get to nature once in
• 1:58:05
  a while or I'll go crazy.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: That's why we have to protect the parks.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: That's why we have to protect the parks.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: Parks. We have to. Tomorrow. Tomorrow we're protecting the park.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 3: Tomorrow we are. Yes.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: It's back.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: Fucking this new guy. Listen, I'm a one-issue voter. I'm
• 1:58:19
  not a voter at all. But if I was.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: And it's this. We saved another park, Elizabeth Street Gardens.
• 1:58:25
  Classic old park. And they go, no. The other guy
• 1:58:28
  was like. We've got to tear this down for low-income housing.
• 1:58:30
  And then Lower East Side and the East Village, that's
• 1:58:33
  a community-oriented place. They take care of shit on their own.
• 1:58:36
  Always have. It's a parks district because they were like,
• 1:58:40
  these buildings collapsed. And they're just like, let's build it
• 1:58:42
  into parks. And then the city, when it came back,
• 1:58:45
  they're like, let's take those back. They're like, no, no, no.
• 1:58:47
  Fuck that.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: We made these.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: East River Park's massive. But Elizabeth Street Gardens is tiny.
• 1:58:53
  And the other guy, the black guy, whatever his name was.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: Eric Adams. Eric Adams.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: He goes, I'm going to protect that park, and I'm
• 1:59:00
  going to protect all the parks. Parks got nicer. They
• 1:59:02
  redid them all, and they painted all the benches.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: I liked them. And he goes, okay.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: So this community goes, we will find you another place
• 1:59:10
  to build low-income housing. And they did. They had this
• 1:59:13
  whole platform, and they go, we can do it on
• 1:59:14
  this block, down the street there and there. It's actually
• 1:59:17
  more houses than you were planning on building. Okay. And
• 1:59:20
  now this fucking new guy goes, no, we're going to
• 1:59:23
  raise that to the ground. And they're like, no, no,
• 1:59:25
  we did it. We found another place.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: I thought he was for the people.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: They keep trying to get him to like, just say
• 1:59:30
  you're going to protect it. And he's pretty much like,
• 1:59:31
  I won't.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: I won't.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: Elizabeth Street Gardens is fucking gone if I have my say.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: And they're like, dude, come on. You're supposed to be
• 1:59:39
  of the people. So yeah, single issue voter. I don't
• 1:59:41
  know about the rest. You got to protect that park.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: So do you think that there's some sort of a
• 1:59:47
  financial interest?
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: Someone's always getting this. Someone's always getting that.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: You would not think it would be him. He's a
• 1:59:55
  democratic socialist.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: There's a non-capitalist reason why green spaces are important. It
• 2:00:02
  doesn't bring in money. They try to fuck up with
• 2:00:04
  this one. They try to fuck this one up.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: Zilker?
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with underground garages and stuff and totally redoing it.
• 2:00:11
  The people won, so it didn't happen. But there is
• 2:00:14
  a thing that helps all of our Level of life.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: Level of joy. Well, Central Park is a genius idea.
• 2:00:19
  It's a genius idea.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: They would never do that now if it wasn't already done.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We were talking about this with Brian Simpson. I
• 2:00:25
  was like, if I lived in New York City, if
• 2:00:27
  something happened and I had to do JRE from New
• 2:00:29
  York City, I would have to live near the park
• 2:00:31
  because I would have to have my dog. I'm not
• 2:00:33
  going to get rid of my dog.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: So if... I'd have to take– I just have to
• 2:00:37
  like have a place where I 100 percent were able
• 2:00:41
  to take– I'd have a routine where I'm taking him
• 2:00:43
  to the park every day. Central Park rules.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: And you see somebody playing saxophone. You feel like you're
• 2:00:47
  in a Woody Allen movie.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: Bro, Central Park is incredible. It's so big too.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: It's so big.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: When you stay in a hotel that like looks over
• 2:00:53
  the park, you really get a sense of the scope,
• 2:00:56
  the size of it.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 3: Fly over it.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: The scale of it is incredible. It's so– and by
• 2:01:01
  the way, they would love to sell that off. Oh, yeah.
• 2:01:04
  And just start stacking it up. Make it look like China.
• 2:01:07
  You know, like one of those big cities that they
• 2:01:09
  have over there.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: You need green spaces. They are important to our way
• 2:01:11
  of life.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's good for your dome, obviously. It's good for
• 2:01:16
  the fucking mind. Yeah. It's healthy. But even Central Park,
• 2:01:19
  it's like it's not as good as like real wilderness. Yeah.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: Central Park will buy me two days of sanity. I
• 2:01:24
  got to get to the actual woods and then I
• 2:01:26
  get a week or two.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: Central Park will balance you out. Yeah. It will balance
• 2:01:29
  you out. Like it's way better than no– and it
• 2:01:32
  seems like people are cooler there. Like every time I've
• 2:01:34
  been in Central Park, people seem like a little nicer.
• 2:01:37
  Like if you run into people on Broadway, they don't
• 2:01:40
  seem as nice as people that you run into in
• 2:01:42
  Central Park. It's not this– Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: There's also that thing with like, hey, no smoking in here. Like,
• 2:01:47
  I'm really sorry. And then you put it out. I'll
• 2:01:49
  light it up as soon as you're gone.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: You can't smoke in Central Park? Nothing.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: You do, but weed.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: But cigarettes, I get more mad at. But also like, yeah,
• 2:01:57
  if I got a cigar and I'm with a friend,
• 2:01:59
  I'm smoking.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I could see how that would annoy people. Sure,
• 2:02:03
  but also chill. But you can walk down the street
• 2:02:06
  in New York and smoke a cigarette, right? Or joint, yeah. Right. Yeah.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 3: It's still weird to me when I see a black
• 2:02:12
  guy on a stoop rolling a joint. He's going to
• 2:02:15
  go to jail.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: That's right. I know. It's totally legal. Well, now it's
• 2:02:18
  different nationwide because Trump just changed it to Schedule 3. Again,
• 2:02:22
  this is something that Obama could have done. Biden could
• 2:02:24
  have done. Clinton could have done it. Trump 1 could
• 2:02:26
  have done it. Trump 1 could have done it.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: And now it's Schedule 3, which is still not good.
• 2:02:31
  I mean it should be just like alcohol. But at
• 2:02:33
  least it's getting close. It's getting close.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: Dude, I had moments out there of nature where like
• 2:02:39
  you're in the middle of nowhere and you really do
• 2:02:40
  feel rejuvenated like that. Where you're like you're not even–
• 2:02:43
  It's not even hiking culture. So it's like you're not
• 2:02:46
  passing anyone.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: For hours and hours and hours.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: You're at peace.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 3: You're just at peace.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: And whatever that thing is that they've just discovered about birds,
• 2:02:55
  there's a similar thing that your body recognizes when you're
• 2:02:59
  actually in real nature. It feels different. There's no cell
• 2:03:02
  phone signal. You know anything about grounding?
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: What's your take on it? Well, Huberman believes it's a
• 2:03:09
  real thing. And so I always trust Huberman because he's
• 2:03:12
  very objective about all this kind of stuff.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 3: Electromagnetic waves coming off the ground that you need to
• 2:03:16
  get in touch with. It does feel good.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: When I take the dogs out in the yard and
• 2:03:20
  I walk around barefoot, it feels good. I mean, I'm
• 2:03:22
  just judging it based on how it makes me feel.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: It's like that word tree hugger got a bad rap.
• 2:03:27
  But it's like it comes from like touch that. They're
• 2:03:29
  in the ground. So you're connected to the ground.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: Probably comes from people that were tripping balls. Because if
• 2:03:34
  you're tripping balls, those trees hug you back. I've been there, yeah.
• 2:03:37
  Those trees hug you back. They talk to you.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: They're like, hello, Ari. You can feel the cells.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: I'm an oak tree. I've been here for 300 years.
• 2:03:47
  I've been here before this was America. Yeah, it's pretty wild.
• 2:03:53
  When I go to the mountains, especially like the elk
• 2:03:55
  hunting mountains, because it's so hard to get there. When
• 2:03:58
  you get there, there's no cell phone service. And when
• 2:04:01
  you're up there, you feel different. You just feel different.
• 2:04:03
  You feel better.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: You really do.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: You feel more relaxed.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: Dude, my brain was firing in a way that it
• 2:04:08
  hadn't fired in so long. It was just like all
• 2:04:11
  the shit holding you down just like pulled off. And
• 2:04:16
  after not very much time, it was like just thoughts,
• 2:04:20
  creative thoughts were just like pouring out of me.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: So in the six months you were gone, no social media,
• 2:04:28
  no nothing? Definitely no social media.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 3: I took YMH's– on a piece of paper, a couple
• 2:04:33
  people from YMH's emails. I got two months ahead on
• 2:04:36
  my ads and my podcast on You Be Trippin'. So
• 2:04:38
  I'm like, you guys are set for two months.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: You don't need me.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 3: And then after– So did.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: You record a bunch of episodes in advance.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 3: To release them?
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: A year's worth. I did my work. Oh, my God.
• 2:04:50
  That's crazy. Yeah.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 3: They're all evergreen episodes.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: How did you do that?
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 3: One, worked hard. Two, loved hearing about travel.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: I love it. Right.
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 3: So, like, it wasn't much work for me to come
• 2:05:02
  in and be like, tell me about Cambodia. Tell me
• 2:05:03
  about Thailand. Tell me about Taiwan. Tell me about, you know, Uruguay.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: Well, that's how I feel about podcasting in general.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you like it. You'll have here or there, like,
• 2:05:11
  this guy was sucked. I wish I should have stayed home.
• 2:05:12
  But generally, like, that's really interesting.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I love it. And I just got. Way ahead.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 3: It's funny when I, like Danny Palaszczuk, I put out
• 2:05:20
  an episode. He goes, did we do it like two
• 2:05:21
  years ago? And I'm like, it wasn't time yet. I
• 2:05:23
  don't know.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 3: Or I'll save it for if a comic has a special. Like,
• 2:05:26
  let's just record it now. In nine months, you'll have
• 2:05:28
  a special. I'll put it out there.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: How many do you have banked?
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 3: Through July still.
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: Whoa. Yeah. That's crazy. So how many did you do
• 2:05:35
  a week?
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: Sometimes none. Sometimes like six or seven.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: I was very. Oh, really? You'd be tripping.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: Dude, I see every mistake I made for the skeptic tank.
• 2:05:45
  And I was like, let's avoid that.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: Like what kind of mistakes are you making?
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 3: So like minimum of effort on my part technologically. So
• 2:05:53
  YMH is my Jamie.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right. Here's the footage. Handle. By the way,
• 2:05:56
  settle down because they're not. They're my version of Jamie.
• 2:05:59
  This is the only– this is the goat.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 3: Well, I have 15 people doing one Jamie job.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's the problem. Like when people talk about like
• 2:06:06
  who should I hire? I'm like– Well, I have one guy.
• 2:06:08
  I don't know what to tell you. You need a
• 2:06:10
  guy on the spectrum. Yeah.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: But I did that. Sometimes I'd be like two a
• 2:06:15
  day for four straight days. And any comic who goes, hey,
• 2:06:19
  I'm sorry I'm busy. I'm like, buddy, let's reschedule. This
• 2:06:22
  isn't supposed to be stressful.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: Let's do it when you have time. There's no chill.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: No big deal. That's the way to do it.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 3: And once you're ahead, you can afford a week with nothing.
• 2:06:30
  And it wasn't like, I got to find someone. We
• 2:06:31
  got to do this now. That's out.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: That's out.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 3: All the music choices they used to make. I'm like,
• 2:06:36
  that's a lot of work.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the music thing is the problem is like
• 2:06:40
  you get flagged now. We used to be able to
• 2:06:43
  play music on YouTube all the time, and now everything
• 2:06:46
  gets flagged. You got to be real careful. We used
• 2:06:48
  to play songs almost every episode. Full song. Yeah. When
• 2:06:52
  there was nothing, when the show made zero money. It
• 2:06:54
  was the wild west.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 3: It was so fun. You're actually making a fun thing.
• 2:06:58
  It was so outlaw. It's a little more corporate now,
• 2:07:00
  which is sad, but also it helps people a lot
• 2:07:02
  more now.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 3: Man, podcasting was just do whatever the fuck you want.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: Well, we were at the early, early days. Like when
• 2:07:11
  I started this thing, it was 2009. It's almost 20
• 2:07:15
  years old, which is so nuts.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: Have you figured out a way to monetize it yet?
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: Not yet. I'm working on it. I think I'm going
• 2:07:22
  to sell rubber pussies. you were for a bit you
• 2:07:25
  were for a bit and you're like that was my
• 2:07:27
  first sponsor only sponsor i don't need another one we're
• 2:07:30
  good it was funny because sam harris was like one
• 2:07:32
  of the his requests when he first did my podcast
• 2:07:35
  please don't mention pussies wouldn't wouldn't let me do an
• 2:07:37
  ad for the fleshlight i said okay okay it doesn't
• 2:07:41
  matter like it's not like it's paying a lot of
• 2:07:43
  money it was just fun more than anything.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah but so i would i would wait so after
• 2:07:48
  two months i go hey um I needed the next
• 2:07:51
  months of ads. And I would say one day I
• 2:07:53
  would just do all the ads and the bumpers. Like
• 2:07:54
  this guy's got a new special. Here's his tour dates.
• 2:07:57
  I'd find a waterfall or something and I would do
• 2:07:59
  it in a fun way. place.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just like, let's do it fun. If
• 2:08:02
  I'm going to do remote, let's be remote.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. How did you do it? Do you do it
• 2:08:06
  video as well?
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, iPhone. Jamie told me this a long time ago.
• 2:08:10
  My first trip to Southeast Asia, I was like, hey,
• 2:08:12
  I need a pocket camera. Like, what's the best? And
• 2:08:15
  he was like, bro, you're not going to want to
• 2:08:16
  hear this. It's the iPhone. Yeah. It's the best one.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: Or a Galaxy. Yeah. Like any modern cell phone. This
• 2:08:21
  is 2017, but yeah. Any modern cell phone, the video's
• 2:08:24
  fucking incredible. Stabilizers.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: The video stabilization's amazing. And all you do is you
• 2:08:30
  set it up on a little tripod and it'll go
• 2:08:32
  for fucking hours. Yeah.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 3: So I'll put it on a tree far away. I
• 2:08:36
  did one for a Danny Brown episode in like Sucre,
• 2:08:39
  Bolivia in front of the statue of Sucre.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 3: And it's just like- You guys were in Bolivia?
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: I was everywhere.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 3: Dude, I saw an inauguration for the first president they
• 2:08:48
  had in 20 years.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 3: In Sucre, in Bolivia.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 3: They had the old guy.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: Who was running things for 20 years.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 3: Okay. A crazy dude that everyone hated. He said farming
• 2:09:00
  is more important than industry here. So we should give
• 2:09:03
  the farmers two votes per person. And the cities get one.
• 2:09:09
  Now- They also run the media there. So everyone in
• 2:09:12
  the farmlands, in the heartland, they didn't see any of
• 2:09:15
  the problems.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: City shit. So they'll go, I don't know. Everything on
• 2:09:18
  the radio says the guy's doing a great job. Let's
• 2:09:20
  vote him in again. He's doing great. I listen to
• 2:09:22
  the radio. The guy's doing a great job. And everyone
• 2:09:24
  in the city is like, no, no.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: He's lying.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 3: So everything went to shit 20 years.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: Like, well, let's turn on the radio again.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 3: Let's turn on like Trump, Trump news and see what
• 2:09:38
  Trump is saying about Trump.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: It's going to be pretty good. Right. Oh yeah. There
• 2:09:43
  I am. Is this the video? Oh wow.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 3: I pretend to be talking to my cell phone because
• 2:09:47
  it's so embarrassing.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: So I pretend to be talking to my phone, but
• 2:09:50
  I just.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 3: Have a cordless mic.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: Is Danny still sober?
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 3: I think he's back on weed, but like, yeah, he's off.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: The alcohol was the issue. Yeah. Last time we did
• 2:10:00
  a podcast, he got obliterated. He's sober. Nice. Yeah. Good
• 2:10:04
  for him. He's doing great. Bolivia, is there like, it
• 2:10:07
  was always Bolivian marching powder. It was when I was
• 2:10:09
  a kid, what people would call cocaine. Interesting.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 3: The salt flats were really cool there.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 3: Just like miles and miles of salt fields. Ooh. Oh,
• 2:10:19
  there's me and O'Neal in Peru.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: Look at you guys with your stupid hats on.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just trying to find weird spots and like,
• 2:10:26
  I don't know, let's.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: Just film something. Why were you wearing those hats?
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 3: It was Peru. Those are the alpaca hats that keep
• 2:10:31
  you warm.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, I went hunting my first time hunting. I wore
• 2:10:35
  those hats. They're great. And Steve Rinello was saying that's
• 2:10:37
  a very left wing hat. I'm like, why?
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: Why is it left wing? It's warm. Yeah, what? Because
• 2:10:42
  I don't know about your hat. I'm like, what's wrong
• 2:10:44
  with my hat? Leave it alone. I'm about to kill something. Steve, chill.
• 2:10:46
  I'm about to murder something. I killed that deer with
• 2:10:48
  that fucking left wing hat on.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: But that's all I would do. I would just weigh
• 2:10:53
  in once in a while, get my month's worth of stuff,
• 2:10:54
  and then go back to disappearing. And I'm telling you, buddy,
• 2:10:57
  my brain was so alive. I would just like– you
• 2:11:02
  just don't realize what you're dealing with responsibility was all
• 2:11:05
  the time. And then when you have none, it's like
• 2:11:09
  you just kind of be yourself. I came up with
• 2:11:11
  this whole– my storytelling shows up. I came up with
• 2:11:13
  this whole like how to frame it all, how to
• 2:11:16
  do everything. I had a vision of like this prologue.
• 2:11:20
  That I want to bridge the gap. It's called The End.
• 2:11:21
  It's out now.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: And this is– And then did you film all that
• 2:11:25
  with your mom's house studios as well? Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Yeah.
• 2:11:29
  They might be the only group like that that's actually good.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 3: Tom was like, how much do you have? I'm like,
• 2:11:34
  I have about 80 percent of it. He goes, I'll
• 2:11:36
  put in the rest. I'll supply all the people you
• 2:11:39
  need to make it happen. Yeah. And then he's not
• 2:11:43
  a network. He's Segura and he's a fucking dirtbag. So
• 2:11:46
  he's like, say whatever you want. There's no censoring when
• 2:11:49
  it's Segura, you know?
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also like Tom has made so much money
• 2:11:52
  that he's out. You know what I mean? He'll do
• 2:11:54
  whatever the fuck he wants. You can't stop him. He's
• 2:11:56
  going to do whatever he wants now. Yeah. Oh, nice.
• 2:11:59
  Look at all these episodes. Miss Pat, the Stefano. Look
• 2:12:02
  at that. Duncan did a great one.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: Bobby Shane. Shane, Bobby Kelly. Big J. Big J.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we made the show again. And then this prologue,
• 2:12:13
  I had a vision of this on that mushroom trip.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 3: About how to frame what happened to this not happening
• 2:12:20
  and what is this thing now and how to go
• 2:12:22
  through it. And then I talked to a bunch of
• 2:12:24
  artists while I was gone and some made pictures. And
• 2:12:27
  this guy, William Child, he actually did a Danny Brown video.
• 2:12:30
  He's just like, shit, I don't want to ruin this.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: Where'd you film these?
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: The box in New York City, the place where Chappelle
• 2:12:36
  would have his comedian balls.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: Let's get that gay outfit.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 3: The gay outfit, Joe, is from– do you remember a
• 2:12:43
  show called This Is Not Happening?
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: Yes. I did.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 3: Completely legally unrelated to this new show. You can say
• 2:12:47
  whatever you want, but I cannot. But that was a
• 2:12:52
  comedian telling stories in a strip club. This is a
• 2:12:55
  strip club with a comedian telling stories. The first year,
• 2:13:01
  they go, hey, you got to wear the same outfit
• 2:13:03
  every day. And I go, no, that's fake. They go, no,
• 2:13:06
  but we got to mix and match days, so we
• 2:13:07
  got to do it.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, why? Is anybody going to tune out because they.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 3: See you with a different outfit on? No, it'll be
• 2:13:12
  like it's weird or suddenly you're hosting a different thing.
• 2:13:13
  So I'd start wearing ridiculous suits I made in Hong Kong.
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 3: And then my final year, I had this Indian outfit
• 2:13:20
  picked out that I went and sourced in L.A. and
• 2:13:24
  had this cool Indian outfit.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: All right, now it's cool. I thought it was gay.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 3: And I saved it for seven or eight years. But
• 2:13:30
  that show got taken away from me. I was like,
• 2:13:32
  if I ever do this again, I'm wearing this fucking
• 2:13:34
  outfit out of respect to– To overcoming.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: Those days were very fascinating. The days where Comedy Central
• 2:13:42
  is trying to force you into doing a Comedy Central special,
• 2:13:45
  but you had a deal with Netflix. And even though
• 2:13:47
  it was completely legal and contractually legal for you to
• 2:13:50
  do a comedy special with Netflix, Comedy Central was strong-arming
• 2:13:55
  you into doing it on Comedy Central and canceled your
• 2:13:59
  fucking show. Because you wouldn't do a special with them.
• 2:14:03
  So you got a successful show. People want to know
• 2:14:06
  how gross Hollywood can get? Yeah. Ari had a successful
• 2:14:10
  show that was doing very well on Comedy Central, and
• 2:14:13
  they canceled it because he wouldn't do a comedy special
• 2:14:18
  on Comedy Central.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: It was one of the early ones. I paid for
• 2:14:20
  my own special. And then I said, I got to
• 2:14:22
  figure out where it's going. And they go, it should
• 2:14:24
  be here. And I go, no, no, I don't think
• 2:14:28
  it should. It's also, it was a double special and
• 2:14:30
  it was like, it needs to be on a streamer
• 2:14:32
  more than a network. And then I was like, no,
• 2:14:35
  I'm going to Netflix.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: And yeah.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 3: And then they were like, let's go blackmail then. It's crazy.
• 2:14:39
  I get it from their perspective.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: No, I don't.
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 3: They're like, Hey, we can't be losing power. And they
• 2:14:44
  never really, they always thought.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: It was an open mic. But it's, it was not
• 2:14:46
  losing power because the reality is that would just bring
• 2:14:50
  more people to the conference.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 3: Netflix back then was so much bigger to do a special.
• 2:14:55
  When I did that 2017 special on Netflix, I, I
• 2:14:57
  was the mayor of New York for like three weeks.
• 2:15:00
  Everywhere I'd go, I'd bike at a red light. Three
• 2:15:02
  people would recognize you. It was a different time for
• 2:15:04
  specials then. And, of course, that was the biggest thing.
• 2:15:07
  I'm going to do that.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's still pretty big. Netflix is pretty big.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 3: It's still pretty big, but not Jew specials.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: They picked it up. Oh, that's right. They picked up Jew.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on Netflix right now.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: But, yeah.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 3: And so people ask me with this show, like, why
• 2:15:19
  didn't you go to Netflix? I'm like, dude, networks killed me.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: Not only that.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: I don't want to just go straight to the people
• 2:15:27
  on this one.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: Why do it? It's like there's no reason to at
• 2:15:30
  this point, especially like Comedy Central doesn't even exist anymore.
• 2:15:33
  That's what's nuts.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 3: It was a wild time. You said you would host
• 2:15:37
  for free.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 3: I was on the phone with you crying. I was
• 2:15:40
  like hearing it that they're taking away.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: I said, tell them I will host it for free
• 2:15:44
  because you were going to take out a loan to
• 2:15:46
  pay off all the crew because all the crew had
• 2:15:50
  signed on for X amount of episodes and it was
• 2:15:52
  going to cost them money. And you were like, I'm
• 2:15:55
  trying to figure out a way to keep us on
• 2:15:56
  the air. I go tell comedy central, I will host
• 2:15:59
  it for free.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 3: You were already, it was 2017. This podcast was already going.
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. It was huge by then. Yeah. But it
• 2:16:06
  was number one in 2019 is when it started being
• 2:16:09
  number one, but it was probably, it.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 3: Was pretty big for you were had pedigree on the show.
• 2:16:15
  You've done two stories. One you liked when you hate it,
• 2:16:18
  but the one you liked was.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: A great story. That's a great, that's a great story.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 3: Dotham, Alabama.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 3: Um, And I was like, oh, he's part of the show.
• 2:16:26
  This kind of goes. If someone's got to do it,
• 2:16:28
  he'll do it for free. You're saving money and getting
• 2:16:31
  a much bigger host.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: They just wanted to fuck you. They just wanted to
• 2:16:34
  fuck you.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 3: Anyone I suggested, they said no. We said Ali Sadiq
• 2:16:37
  should do it. They said no.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: At least they went with Roy. Roy was really good.
• 2:16:42
  Roy was great. But it only lasted a little bit.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 3: It was over after that.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: But that show could have gone on a long fucking time.
• 2:16:50
  It was such a great idea. It was great execution.
• 2:16:53
  It was fun to do.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: It was real in a moment where alt comedy and
• 2:16:57
  the ironic distance was getting bigger.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 3: This was a more real thing.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 3: And people responded to it. And listen.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: But it just shows you the grossness of the business
• 2:17:06
  sometimes when these people who are just gatekeeping executive assholes.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 3: They're really saying, oh, you're not on the list.
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And they don't exist anymore. That's what's most amazing. Well,
• 2:17:17
  that's the cool thing.
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 3: You can go to Tom. You can go to a
• 2:17:19
  guy like that or whatever. And he goes, no, I
• 2:17:21
  love the show. It made me bigger. Let's get it
• 2:17:24
  going again.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's also like nine years later,
• 2:17:29
  like the internet has completely taken over. Like it has
• 2:17:33
  drowned out all of those comedy networks. They don't exist anymore. Yeah.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: You need some level of curation or you're lost in
• 2:17:43
  a sea of content sometimes. But there's people you can trust.
• 2:17:48
  If you want meditation, that guy Sam Harris, is that
• 2:17:50
  the meditation guy? You know whatever he's going to say,
• 2:17:52
  you're probably going to believe it meditation-wise. If you need
• 2:17:56
  some– to hear an MMA fighter like really speaking, this
• 2:18:01
  is a great source for that, this podcast. She needs
• 2:18:04
  some curator. But I mean– Like, I'm the guy. I'm
• 2:18:07
  that for this show. I'll make it quality. I'll make
• 2:18:10
  it look right. You can always trust me to do that.
• 2:18:13
  So come to me for– that show was the coolest
• 2:18:16
  stand-up show of all time.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: It was a fun show. It was a really good show.
• 2:18:19
  And it was a show that I remember you created
• 2:18:20
  from scratch. I remember when you were doing it at
• 2:18:22
  the lab at the improv, that tiny little room. You
• 2:18:25
  were doing it for free. And I was like, what
• 2:18:27
  are you doing? Basically the same way that you were
• 2:18:29
  talking to me about my podcast. Like, what are you doing?
• 2:18:32
  That's what you were saying. What are you doing, dude?
• 2:18:35
  A fucking show for 20 people? I'm like, this is
• 2:18:37
  so weird. I'm like, Ari's telling stories. But I thought
• 2:18:39
  about it. I was like, it's probably a good idea
• 2:18:40
  to develop material that way.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: No, a lot of people was like, hey, we're doing
• 2:18:45
  a show. It's about heartbreak this week or this month
• 2:18:47
  or it's about drugs or whatever. And they go, all right,
• 2:18:50
  let me– I have a story. Let me get all
• 2:18:51
  my thoughts down, you know, all the metaphors and stuff,
• 2:18:55
  the flowery stuff you put on them. that Jay is
• 2:18:58
  so good at and stuff. But like, then they became
• 2:19:00
  a lot of people's like, that's my closer to my special.
• 2:19:02
  Now I had no bit. I thought of it because
• 2:19:05
  of this. It became, you know, the biggest thing I
• 2:19:07
  had in my act. It's nuts.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 3: Cause I loved giving people an excuse to like write something.
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: It was also such a fun show. Cause it was
• 2:19:15
  comedy outside of like regular standup. It was like another Avenue. And,
• 2:19:21
  and it was a really fun thing to do. And
• 2:19:25
  the thing about like the gatekeeping of it is like
• 2:19:27
  those people had nothing to do with it and they
• 2:19:30
  had all the power. They had all the power. And
• 2:19:32
  by just exercising it in that way and then everybody
• 2:19:36
  talking about how gross it was, nobody ever trusted them again.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: And the thing is some of the stuff they do,
• 2:19:41
  they're like, we need some diversity. And it'd be like,
• 2:19:44
  I don't think you're wrong. I think you don't want
• 2:19:47
  it to be all the same thing. But there's something
• 2:19:49
  me and Eric Abrams came up with is it's a
• 2:19:50
  diversity of experience.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Is bigger.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: Two white dudes is not what we're talking about. If
• 2:19:56
  it's like Ali Sadiq's life, closer to Gary Owen's life
• 2:19:59
  than mine. Gary Owens and Ali are closer to each
• 2:20:02
  other than me or Gary. So that's what I want,
• 2:20:06
  different whatever. And they have these checklists you would go
• 2:20:08
  to in LA. Here are the gays. Get one of
• 2:20:11
  these seven. Here are the black. And it was like, well,
• 2:20:14
  I'm not going to fuck up my product.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: No way. At the end of the day, it has
• 2:20:18
  to be a meritocracy.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 3: So then we would just work harder, which a lot
• 2:20:22
  of people aren't willing to do. And it's like, well,
• 2:20:24
  there's a great black woman in Indianapolis. She's not in L.A.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: Or New York.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 3: But let's get her. She has great stories. Miss Pat.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 3: There's a great black comic in Houston. And he has
• 2:20:35
  these great stories about prison. Let's get him. They're not
• 2:20:38
  on these lists.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 3: You just got to work a little harder to make
• 2:20:41
  your shit. you know, it's like Seinfeld letting everybody else shine.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: Right. But it's like forced diversity without the merit, without
• 2:20:50
  good quality comedy. Yeah. Yeah. But it's just gatekeepers fuck
• 2:20:56
  themselves really. Because now that we don't need them anymore,
• 2:20:59
  like they're, what are those people do? Well, those people
• 2:21:02
  that were running comedy central, what do they do now?
• 2:21:04
  There's no jobs.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 3: Well, the thing is with like, where the cabs overstepping
• 2:21:08
  that made, Uber possible.
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 3: So let's focus on the positive of this.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: And then the Uber people kept robbing and murdering people. Yeah.
• 2:21:15
  So they just got Waymo's. Yeah, exactly. They'll be gone too.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 3: Take advantage. Yep.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 3: How many coke addicts do you need driving? You're like, bro,
• 2:21:24
  that's a red light. Please stop.
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, they barely fucking vet those people. Yeah.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 3: But the cool thing is because it's easier to film
• 2:21:32
  and because I have friends that are fucking billionaires, you know,
• 2:21:36
  it's like we can actually get it done now.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 3: Golden age for this. It is. To be able to
• 2:21:41
  make a TV show level thing.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: On our own. Well, look at even movies like Theo
• 2:21:48
  and David Spade made a fucking movie.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 3: On their own.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: And they self-financed it. And it's doing well.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 3: They go, we know how much it's going to cost.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: We'll do it. We're rich. It's incredible. Yeah. It's a
• 2:21:56
  cool time.
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, we made our budget back day one.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 3: On a massive project, flying in 23 comics, you know,
• 2:22:04
  putting them all up, paying them all. They're cutting in
• 2:22:06
  on the shares. We've never done that before.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: So are you going to do that in the next
• 2:22:10
  season as well?
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know if there's going to be a next season.
• 2:22:12
  Are you going to do another season? A lot of
• 2:22:15
  this was just a, there was a hole in my
• 2:22:18
  resume where the show didn't end on the terms it
• 2:22:21
  should have ended on.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: And that's why it's called The End? Yeah. Ah, I
• 2:22:23
  love it.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a play on words for story titles too,
• 2:22:26
  you know, like The End. But like, so I just
• 2:22:29
  had to get it done right.
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: Nice. Nice.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 3: And then all these huge, like Shane Gillis, who when
• 2:22:36
  he was at Open Mic-er was like, All these guys
• 2:22:38
  are like, I want to eventually do that show.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the show went away.
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: In the interim, he's like supplanting the Philadelphia 76ers so
• 2:22:45
  he can keep coming.
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 3: But he's like, I'd love to do that show. Dude,
• 2:22:50
  I had four people take private jets to come do
• 2:22:52
  the show.
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 2: That's amazing. Yeah. That's amazing.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, dude. I'm so happy with it. It came
• 2:22:59
  out right. Everyone who's seen it is like, oh, this
• 2:23:01
  is like not just something you did. This is like
• 2:23:04
  a TV show.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 3: It's like I'm so happy.
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah. I love it. I'm so happy to
• 2:23:11
  hear that, dude. That's great.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 3: And that prologue that that guy did, I'll send you
• 2:23:15
  $ 2 off. I'll just pay.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 3: We said we had to figure out a way, me
• 2:23:24
  and O'Neal and Abrams, we all were like writing it.
• 2:23:27
  We're like, I have to figure out a way to
• 2:23:28
  bridge the gap of this not happening to the end
• 2:23:31
  and what happened and everything without being too woe is me.
• 2:23:35
  And so we got this claymation guy. Who's like, yeah,
• 2:23:38
  let's just fill it with fucking punchlines. So it doesn't
• 2:23:41
  become that like, I love Schultz, but a little like,
• 2:23:43
  they couldn't keep us down. Like, I don't want to
• 2:23:45
  do any of that. I don't want to be earnest.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 3: So let's bridge the gap without ever being serious.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, nice. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 3: So it's like a three minute prologue you get for free.
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 3: William Child. That's William Child. That's Tim Key's video.
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. How did they do that? Did they use
• 2:24:05
  real claymation? Oh, yeah, dude.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 3: In a time of AI where everyone's doing the easy stuff,
• 2:24:09
  he is painstakingly– it takes him a day to build
• 2:24:12
  each one of those characters. That's three-day work. And then
• 2:24:15
  the backdrop takes another day or two.
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: And how long does it take to actually do the animation?
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 3: A long time. All day long. So if you have notes,
• 2:24:21
  you're like, dude, I need those notes before I start filming.
• 2:24:24
  This is click, move, click, move, click, move.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 4: You got to go back and erase the stuff that–
• 2:24:30
  the wires and shit too.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: Are they wires or just moving the clay?
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 4: Some of it has to be held up because the
• 2:24:35
  clay would fall.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right. Well, there's wires in the arms. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:24:39
  I mean, you don't necessarily have to have wires to
• 2:24:43
  make it stand. What is going on with his tits?
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a music video.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: What's in that bowl? Ew.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's making a... It looks like a turd.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't get locked into that.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 3: He did a Trippie Redd video that's really good.
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 2: That's awesome, dude.
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: It's cool that people are still doing stuff like that.
• 2:24:59
  Like the old school, the way they did King Kong.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 3: Well, here's what I noticed too. When you start talking
• 2:25:03
  to some of these artists, you know, like some of
• 2:25:05
  my stage designs and stuff like that, like for America's Sweetheart,
• 2:25:08
  what I had was like this idea that like, what
• 2:25:10
  if we left society? How long till nature would just
• 2:25:13
  take back over? And we're like, let's do that with plants.
• 2:25:16
  And then the first ones are like so expensive.
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh, I can't. Okay. I got to rethink.
• 2:25:20
  I can't.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 3: That's far, far out of the, I'll spend a lot,
• 2:25:23
  but not that much out of the budget. But then
• 2:25:25
  you tell these people like, well, here's what I'm trying
• 2:25:27
  to do. trying to say you say the whole thing
• 2:25:30
  like here's what i'm trying to get across here's what
• 2:25:32
  i'm trying to say like we're too caught up in
• 2:25:33
  the news and stuff and if we all just like
• 2:25:35
  whatever and then they go fuck dude that's a good
• 2:25:39
  okay we can do it at cost and then him
• 2:25:42
  anthony shepherd they were both like these great artists they
• 2:25:44
  were like fuck they stole your fucking show from you
• 2:25:47
  hold on that's fucking bullshit i can bring my cost
• 2:25:51
  way down let's we can do this oh still very
• 2:25:53
  expensive but they're like i want to be part of
• 2:25:55
  something That's dope. You know, if Tarantino was like, you
• 2:25:58
  want to hold a boom mic? I'm like, yes, I
• 2:25:59
  would do that for you to be part of something.
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There we go. That's fucking dope, dude. It's what?
• 2:26:06
  William Child. That's his Instagram account. Whoa. That's me. Look
• 2:26:09
  at you. He came to deliver me a message. Oh,
• 2:26:12
  you're an asshole, King.
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 3: Tell me that I was a failure.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: Dude, that's real.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 3: February 18th, 2010. The show was born in the third
• 2:26:24
  most vapid city in America. Me and six comedians telling
• 2:26:28
  stories about psychedelic drugs. Only 14 people showed up. But
• 2:26:32
  god damn, it was the best show I'd ever seen.
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 2: February. That's awesome.
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 3: A lot of hard work completely on my own with
• 2:26:39
  help from no one. I got a TV deal. And
• 2:26:43
  that helped launch the careers of so many great comics.
• 2:26:46
  Fat ones who lost weight. Fat ones who somehow keep
• 2:26:49
  getting fatter. Men who go on to influence elections. And
• 2:26:52
  women who go on to normalize child molestation. And then,
• 2:26:56
  with a lot of hard work, an ending.
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 3: The irony sickened me.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, watch this part. You're in it.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 3: Hold on. I mean, it might have been the drugs.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: Without an ending. Wait, watch right after this. Hold on.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, it might have been the drugs. Without an ending.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: Wait. There's only clips of it, I guess.
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 3: There's a moment where I have to go, I realized
• 2:27:26
  I had to be a man and not just a
• 2:27:27
  man who would go on to tap Shane Gillis twice
• 2:27:29
  with witnesses, by the way.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: And then you and Norman raise your hand. It's like
• 2:27:32
  I witnessed it.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 3: I'm like, let's just have some fun, dude. Let's have
• 2:27:37
  some fun. I got Duncan to do a theme song
• 2:27:39
  on the way out.
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 2: Of his episode. Oh, really?
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 3: His story is about taking his kids to a Taylor
• 2:27:43
  Swift concert film. And how awful is he thinks she's
• 2:27:48
  a 15,000-year-old vampire?
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: He has this long song.
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 3: He goes, you can see it. She's feeding off them.
• 2:27:57
  She gets bigger as they start cheering. It's so funny.
• 2:28:00
  And it's Duncan. He's so out there. And I'm like, hey, Duncan.
• 2:28:03
  He does this song. He breaks down every one of
• 2:28:05
  her songs. He goes, it's just this. And I was like,
• 2:28:07
  you know those crazy garage band songs you've been making
• 2:28:10
  for 25-plus years? You want to do the theme song
• 2:28:12
  just for that episode? And he goes, yeah, 100%. So
• 2:28:16
  it's this, like, demonic song about being a 15,000-year-old vampire.
• 2:28:20
  It's a Taylor Swift original song. And you don't have
• 2:28:24
  to okay it with a network. You're like, let's just
• 2:28:26
  do it. I was like, what do you need as
• 2:28:28
  your credit? He made up some crazy credit for his band.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's amazing. Nobody's embraced that kind of AI
• 2:28:35
  technology more than Duncan. He's always sending me things that
• 2:28:38
  he's working on. Always.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 3: He does it all day long. Those GarageBand songs he
• 2:28:42
  used to make. It was just him coming up with crazy,
• 2:28:45
  weird stuff.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: A long time ago. Yeah.
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 3: The Sunset Days. Yeah.
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: It was like, oh, my God. Yeah. That's awesome, dude. Okay.
• 2:28:53
  So it's available on AriShafir.com. AriShafir.com.
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 3: Each episode is $ 5.
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 2: 99. What happened to AriTheGreat.com? It went away.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 3: People didn't know how to find it.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 2: But is it still there? If you go to AriTheGreat.com,
• 2:29:03
  does it take you to AriShafir.com?
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 3: If I know anything about me, there's no way I'm
• 2:29:06
  going to pay those fees every year. If I know
• 2:29:08
  anything about me and my people, I doubt I still
• 2:29:11
  have that. All right.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 3: I let the YMH staff. I had a production card.
• 2:29:18
  You know, you need a production card at the end.
• 2:29:20
  One of them says YMH. Then Eric Abrams directs his.
• 2:29:23
  And I was like, fuck. The one I was using
• 2:29:25
  was just a still frame from This Not Happening. Just
• 2:29:28
  my dick pixelated. And I was like, put my thing
• 2:29:31
  on that. I hate the idea. I'm not a producer
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  or whatever.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 3: And I didn't have it. And then we couldn't use
• 2:29:37
  anything with this not happening. So it's like, don't. And
• 2:29:38
  I was like, fuck, I need another one. I'm off
• 2:29:40
  in the jungle. So I told YMH, I was like, guys,
• 2:29:44
  you guys are all fucking idiots. Make me whatever production
• 2:29:47
  card you want and I will use it. And they
• 2:29:50
  were like, we're going to make seven.
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, all right.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 3: And I've seen a few of them and they're all
• 2:29:54
  so retarded. One of them is me bringing a giant
• 2:29:58
  coin out of my fucking giant nose. It's just so retarded.
• 2:30:03
  I love working with people I like.
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Tom's awesome. It's nice having a guy like that
• 2:30:08
  that's like really just acquired an enormous amount of funds.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: And does whatever the fuck he wants.
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 3: Fun funds.
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 2: And his Netflix show is fucking great. Oh, it's so
• 2:30:18
  out there. It's so crazy. But it's like perfect for him.
• 2:30:22
  It's like his mind. All right. Let's wrap this bitch up. Tomorrow,
• 2:30:27
  Protect Our Parks.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 3: First Protect Our Parks in quite some time. Dude, I
• 2:30:30
  would get recognized here or there when I was traveling.
• 2:30:32
  Not much. I'll tell you a couple things I saw. One,
• 2:30:36
  people know Shane Gillis' name except in Brazil. And then
• 2:30:39
  they only know Rafi Bastos' name.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 3: That's the only comic they've.
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: Ever heard of. He's a big comic over there. Humongous. Yeah.
• 2:30:46
  I had him on the show. Really?
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: He's great. Good dude.
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 3: But- I'll tell you this, though. There's a lot of
• 2:30:53
  business and shit that gets caught up in this. Who's
• 2:30:55
  interviewing which politician and, oh, this guy's doing this or
• 2:30:58
  he's friends with this guy and all the money and everything. And, like,
• 2:31:01
  am I doing well enough? People try to do that
• 2:31:02
  keep up game. This guy's getting more views on his clips.
• 2:31:05
  I should start doing shorter stuff. Anyone I told that
• 2:31:10
  didn't recognize me when it came up what my job was,
• 2:31:12
  first I had to try to avoid it. But if
• 2:31:14
  they kept it, they're like, no, no, no, for real,
• 2:31:15
  what do you do? I'm like, all right, well, I'm
• 2:31:17
  a stand-up comedian. I mean, this is 10 for 10 countries.
• 2:31:21
  Everybody would be like, what?
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm a stand-up comedian. And they go, like,
• 2:31:29
  as a hobby? I'm like, no, as a living. They're like, what?
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: Grandma, come here.
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 3: This guy does stand-up. Like, what do you mean, with
• 2:31:35
  a microphone? I'm like, yeah. He goes, that's so cool.
• 2:31:38
  That's so cool.
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like, where? Just in New York?
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 3: I'm like, in the country, in the world, really.
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 2: Like, what?
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 3: What? You pay your rent on this? I'm like, yeah.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: And then some.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 3: Like, no fucking way. They couldn't get over how cool
• 2:31:49
  it was. And they didn't know if I'm successful or not.
• 2:31:51
  They just know I do this. Bro, we have the
• 2:31:55
  coolest job, and I've tested this, in the world. There's
• 2:31:59
  no cooler job you could tell people that they'll be
• 2:32:02
  like that reaction. They start smiling just at the idea
• 2:32:06
  of the job. Can it actually exist?
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 3: And that's what we do. And the high-level ones and
• 2:32:10
  the low-level, we're all doing the same shit. We're all
• 2:32:12
  just coming up with a better dick joke. To just
• 2:32:14
  entertain some strangers.
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 2: Even gay Ian. Even gay fucking Ian.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 3: Sucking dicks that come out of a.
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 2: Hole in the wall.
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 3: Blowing a dude. And they go, oh, I just got
• 2:32:21
  an idea for a bit. That's cool. Let me, oh,
• 2:32:23
  hold on. I got to write this down.
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 2: Hold on.
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 3: I'll jerk you while I write it down.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. It's an amazing job.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 2: It's kind of incredible. We live a very blessed life.
• 2:32:34
  For sure. Yeah.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 3: It's just, yeah. It's just, I don't know.
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah.
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 3: It's fun to just focus on some positives and realize
• 2:32:41
  the negatives are nothing compared to the positives.
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 2: The keeping up with the Joneses stuff and the paying
• 2:32:45
  attention to the numbers. I mean, obviously, that's easy for
• 2:32:47
  me to say that you shouldn't do it, but you
• 2:32:49
  shouldn't do it.
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 3: Well, there's this thing.
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: Just concentrate on what you're doing and enjoy it.
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 3: I was talking to Maddie Wiener, this really funny comic.
• 2:32:56
  And she was like, you know, all these people and
• 2:32:58
  everybody really likes. She's going to be a star. And
• 2:33:01
  she's like, all these people are getting clips. It's crowd work.
• 2:33:02
  I don't do crowd work. And it was like, well,
• 2:33:06
  then you shouldn't do those clips. Your road's just going
• 2:33:08
  to be a little longer than them, but don't think
• 2:33:11
  about it like that. Like, just do the shit you're
• 2:33:13
  good at.
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know?
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 3: And then eventually you'll get found out.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, just do whatever you do.
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 3: Whatever you want to do, but don't let them decide.
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, I need to write an under 60 second bit.
• 2:33:23
  It's got to have a punchline at 59 seconds or
• 2:33:25
  I can't put it on YouTube shorts. Like, that's a
• 2:33:28
  dumb way to be building your stuff.
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 3: Big J does kind of crowd work that no one's
• 2:33:32
  ever done. Long form crowd work.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's also been doing it for so long and
• 2:33:38
  he has that kind of personality and like easygoing style
• 2:33:42
  that makes it work.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 3: You see Big Jay at like– when somebody heckles him,
• 2:33:48
  like an angry heckle, not just like I'm going to
• 2:33:51
  be part of it. Like you fucking suck. He doesn't–
• 2:33:54
  I get worked up. He just goes, oh, what was it?
• 2:33:58
  that you don't like. Like almost as if he's on mushrooms.
• 2:34:00
  He's like, no, yeah, I could see that. But what specifically?
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 2: I just want to know. He's an easygoing guy.
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 3: He's just like, let's mine this for laughs. Yeah. I'm like,
• 2:34:07
  I caught up screaming.
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 2: Well, he's also done so many shows in New York
• 2:34:11
  where that must happen so often. You develop strategies. Yeah.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 3: You got practice at it.
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 3: Big J, my co-host of Legion of Skanks.
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 2: All right. That's right. You're back. Legion of Skanks. You're
• 2:34:21
  running it now that Dave Smith has decided to be
• 2:34:23
  a political commentator. Well, it's three for life. I'm not
• 2:34:25
  running it. I'm just part of it. No, no, no.
• 2:34:26
  You're running it. I'll, Print it. Joke world. I heard
• 2:34:29
  that you were the leader of the Legion of Skanks.
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 3: I am the leader of Skanks. Well, I'm the president.
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 2: In the past, you ran for president. I think you won.
• 2:34:38
  I think. Yeah, I won.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 3: Dude, one day on one of these podcasts, we're going
• 2:34:42
  to talk about the presidential election of the Legion of Skanks.
• 2:34:45
  It was a three-month process of just nonstop creativity and stupidity.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about it tomorrow. Okay. Oh, Shane was involved? Yeah.
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 3: Shane's my vice president.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 2: There you go. All right, let's wrap this up. I
• 2:34:56
  love you. I love you, too. It's great to see
• 2:34:57
  you back in civilization.
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 3: Dude, there's a bunch of times where I thought about
• 2:35:01
  you out there, where I'm like, you would love, Nazca
• 2:35:03
  Lines was one. I'm like, Joe Rogan would love the
• 2:35:06
  Mayan temples. You would love it.
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 2: I went to Chichen Itza once, way back in the
• 2:35:10
  early days.
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 3: El Salvador you would have loved?
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 3: Just with like, for the stuff you were into, there
• 2:35:16
  was so much.
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 2: All right. Anyway, I love you, buddy. I love you, too. Jamie,
• 2:35:19
  I love you as well. Love you, Jamie. Bye. Bye.