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Aligning with the Dynamism & Flow of the Cosmos with A. H. Almaas · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  two
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  of
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  this
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  extraordinary
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  three
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  part
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  dialogue
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  with
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  A.
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  H.
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  Almaas
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  AKA
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  Hameed
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  Ali.
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  In
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  this
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  conversation
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  we
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  continue
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  to
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  explore
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  the
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  logos
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  and
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  creative
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  dynamism
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  and
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  how
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  the
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  transmission
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  that
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  one
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  receives
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  from
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  a
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  spiritual
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  teacher,
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  for
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  example,
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  is
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  more
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  of
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  an
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  evocation
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  of
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  what
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  is
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  in
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  the
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  teacher
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  and
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  an
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  evocation
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  of
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  what
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  is
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  in
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  the
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  listener.
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  It's
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  truly
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  breathtaking.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit,
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  Life
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  enhancing
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  Without
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  the
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  individual,
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  there
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  is
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  no
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  experience
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  of
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  any
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  kind,
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  creation
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  or
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  no
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  of
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  anything.
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  There
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  has
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  to
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  be
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  an
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  individual.
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  So
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  that's
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  why
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  I
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  always
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  wonder
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  why
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  those
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  people
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  talking
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  about
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  individual
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  being
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  an
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  illusion?
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  There
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  is
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  no
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  illusion.
• 1:00
  The
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  logos
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  manifest
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  creates
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  out
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  of
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  itself
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  organs
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  of
• 1:06
  perception
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  and
• 1:07
  action
• 1:08
  that
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  are
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  expression
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  of
• 1:10
  itself,
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  that
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  are
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  real
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  and
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  alive
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  and
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  as
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  real
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  and
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  dynamic
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  as
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  itself.
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  So
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  the
• 1:16
  soul
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  is
• 1:17
  very
• 1:17
  similar
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  to
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  the
• 1:18
  logos
• 1:18
  actually,
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  because
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  it
• 1:20
  has
• 1:20
  that
• 1:20
  sense
• 1:20
  of
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  flow
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  and
• 1:21
  dynamism,
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  creativity,
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  things
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  changing
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  and
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  moving.
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  Hameed,
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  Is
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  it
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  similar
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  as
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  they
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  talk
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  about
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  in
• 1:28
  quantum
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  physics
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  that
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  something
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  can
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  be
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  a
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  particle,
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  appear
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  to
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  be
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  an
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  individual
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  entity
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  and
• 1:34
  a
• 1:34
  wave
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  that
• 1:35
  extends
• 1:35
  into
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  infinity,
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  depending
• 1:37
  on
• 1:38
  how
• 1:39
  you
• 1:39
  perceive
• 1:40
  it
• 1:40
  or
• 1:40
  how
• 1:40
  you
• 1:40
  look
• 1:40
  at
• 1:40
  it.
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  Is
• 1:41
  that
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  a
• 1:41
  good
• 1:41
  metaphor
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  to
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  help
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  us
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  kind
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  of
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  understand
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  this?
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  It
• 1:45
  is
• 1:45
  a
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  good
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  metaphor,
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  but
• 1:47
  it
• 1:47
  could
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  take
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  us
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  away
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  from
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  reality.
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  Because
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  these
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  days
• 1:52
  people
• 1:53
  starting
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  to
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  use
• 1:54
  quantum
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  theory
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  to
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  explain
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  spiritual
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  reality.
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  Like
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  there
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  is
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  for
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  instance,
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  there
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  are
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  many
• 2:02
  theories
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  of
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  consciousness.
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  One
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  of
• 2:05
  the
• 2:05
  theory
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  that's
• 2:06
  basically
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  recently
• 2:08
  actually
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  by
• 2:09
  scientist
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  Federico
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  Fagan,
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  his
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  name,
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  the
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  Italian
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  engineer
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  and
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  scientist,
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  the
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  first
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  person
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  who
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  created
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  the
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  microchip
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  anyway,
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  and
• 2:19
  he
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  has
• 2:20
  this
• 2:20
  theory
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  that
• 2:21
  the
• 2:21
  whole
• 2:21
  universe
• 2:22
  is
• 2:22
  consciousness,
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  but
• 2:24
  that
• 2:24
  consciousness
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  is
• 2:25
  a
• 2:25
  feature
• 2:26
  of
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  the
• 2:27
  quantum
• 2:27
  field.
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  But
• 2:29
  when
• 2:29
  you
• 2:30
  study
• 2:30
  what
• 2:30
  quantum
• 2:31
  field
• 2:31
  is,
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  it
• 2:32
  doesn't
• 2:33
  make
• 2:33
  sense
• 2:33
  that
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  quantum
• 2:36
  field
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  is
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  a
• 2:37
  mathematical
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  construct
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  trying
• 2:39
  to
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  understand
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  how
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  quantum
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  effects
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  happen.
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  There
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  is
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  no
• 2:45
  such
• 2:45
  thing
• 2:45
  as
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  a
• 2:46
  quantum
• 2:46
  field
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  that
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  exists.
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  However,
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  the
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  logos
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  is
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  and
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  it's
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  true
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  and
• 2:54
  authentic
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  and
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  it
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  has
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  consciousness
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  and
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  consciousness
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  inherent
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  in
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  it.
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  Because
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  all
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  dimensions
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  to
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  nature
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  have
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  consciousness
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  and
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  awareness.
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  But
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  it
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  is,
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  I
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  mean,
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  if
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  there
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  is
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  a
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  quantum
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  field,
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  it
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  is
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  the
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  nature
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  of
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  the
• 3:08
  quantum
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  field,
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  not
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  the
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  other
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  way
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  around.
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  It
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  is
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  the
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  nature
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  of
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  atoms
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  and
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  elementary
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  particle
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  or
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  whatever
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  it
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  is.
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  It
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  is
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  the
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  nature
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  of
• 3:17
  thought.
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  So
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  we
• 3:19
  need
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  to
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  remember
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  when
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  people
• 3:20
  talk
• 3:21
  about
• 3:21
  consciousness
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  as
• 3:22
  a
• 3:22
  quantum
• 3:23
  field,
• 3:23
  it's
• 3:23
  not
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  true.
• 3:24
  Quantum
• 3:24
  field,
• 3:25
  if
• 3:25
  you
• 3:25
  ask
• 3:25
  the
• 3:26
  mathematician,
• 3:26
  whatever
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  doesn't
• 3:28
  make
• 3:28
  sense
• 3:28
  to
• 3:28
  the
• 3:29
  quantum
• 3:29
  field
• 3:29
  for
• 3:30
  them
• 3:30
  is
• 3:30
  a
• 3:31
  mathematical
• 3:31
  construct
• 3:32
  they
• 3:32
  have,
• 3:32
  and
• 3:33
  it's
• 3:33
  an
• 3:33
  incomplete
• 3:34
  theory
• 3:34
  at
• 3:34
  the
• 3:34
  Present
• 3:35
  time,
• 3:35
  they'll
• 3:36
  tell
• 3:36
  you
• 3:36
  it's
• 3:36
  an
• 3:36
  incomplete
• 3:37
  theory
• 3:37
  at
• 3:38
  the
• 3:38
  present
• 3:38
  time.
• 3:39
  And
• 3:39
  they're
• 3:40
  telling
• 3:40
  that
• 3:40
  it's
• 3:41
  the
• 3:41
  best
• 3:41
  thing
• 3:41
  they
• 3:41
  have,
• 3:42
  but
• 3:43
  they
• 3:44
  don't
• 3:44
  believe
• 3:45
  it's
• 3:45
  really
• 3:46
  it.
• 3:47
  We
• 3:47
  don't
• 3:47
  know
• 3:48
  how
• 3:48
  it's
• 3:48
  going
• 3:48
  to
• 3:48
  develop.
• 3:49
  And
• 3:51
  they're
• 3:51
  not
• 3:51
  saying
• 3:52
  it's
• 3:52
  made
• 3:52
  of
• 3:53
  substance
• 3:54
  or
• 3:54
  made
• 3:54
  of
• 3:54
  something.
• 3:55
  Quantum
• 3:55
  field,
• 3:56
  just
• 3:56
  like
• 3:57
  electromagnetic
• 3:58
  field
• 3:58
  is
• 3:59
  a
• 3:59
  field.
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  Electromagnetic
• 4:01
  field
• 4:01
  is
• 4:01
  a
• 4:02
  field
• 4:02
  that
• 4:02
  is
• 4:02
  generated
• 4:03
  by
• 4:03
  physical
• 4:04
  phenomena
• 4:05
  and
• 4:06
  it
• 4:06
  creates
• 4:06
  physical
• 4:07
  phenomena.
• 4:08
  And
• 4:08
  the
• 4:09
  Logos
• 4:09
  can
• 4:09
  be
• 4:09
  seen
• 4:10
  as
• 4:10
  a
• 4:10
  field,
• 4:10
  but
• 4:11
  as
• 4:11
  a
• 4:11
  field
• 4:11
  that
• 4:12
  is
• 4:12
  spiritual
• 4:13
  nature,
• 4:15
  it
• 4:15
  is
• 4:15
  made
• 4:16
  out
• 4:16
  of
• 4:16
  spiritual
• 4:17
  mass,
• 4:18
  that
• 4:18
  is
• 4:19
  pure
• 4:19
  consciousness
• 4:20
  that
• 4:21
  precedes
• 4:22
  anything
• 4:22
  that
• 4:23
  is
• 4:23
  perceived
• 4:24
  in
• 4:24
  physical
• 4:24
  world.
• 4:25
  It's
• 4:25
  always
• 4:26
  creating.
• 4:28
  If
• 4:28
  quantum
• 4:28
  field
• 4:29
  is.
• 4:29
  The
• 4:29
  latest
• 4:29
  theory
• 4:30
  is
• 4:30
  creating
• 4:31
  quantum
• 4:31
  field
• 4:32
  and
• 4:32
  creating
• 4:33
  the
• 4:33
  quantum,
• 4:34
  creating
• 4:35
  the
• 4:35
  electron,
• 4:36
  creating
• 4:38
  the
• 4:38
  experimenter.
• 4:40
  The
• 4:40
  experiment
• 4:40
  that
• 4:41
  detects
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  electron
• 4:42
  is
• 4:43
  creating
• 4:43
  the
• 4:44
  experimenter
• 4:44
  that's
• 4:45
  setting
• 4:45
  up
• 4:45
  the
• 4:46
  experiment.
• 4:47
  The
• 4:47
  whole
• 4:47
  thing
• 4:47
  is
• 4:48
  being
• 4:48
  created
• 4:49
  and
• 4:49
  recreated
• 4:50
  by
• 4:50
  this
• 4:50
  dynamic
• 4:52
  kind
• 4:52
  of
• 4:52
  generative
• 4:54
  force.
• 4:55
  So
• 4:55
  the
• 4:55
  Logos
• 4:56
  is
• 4:56
  a
• 4:56
  field,
• 4:57
  but
• 4:57
  it's
• 4:58
  not
• 4:58
  a
• 4:58
  field
• 4:58
  that's
• 4:58
  created
• 4:59
  by
• 4:59
  something.
• 4:59
  It's
• 5:00
  the
• 5:00
  field
• 5:00
  that
• 5:00
  creates
• 5:01
  and
• 5:01
  manifests.
• 5:02
  Yeah.
• 5:03
  As
• 5:03
  the
• 5:03
  field
• 5:03
  of
• 5:04
  manifestation.
• 5:05
  What
• 5:05
  manifests?
• 5:06
  And
• 5:06
  as
• 5:06
  a
• 5:06
  living
• 5:07
  thing.
• 5:07
  As
• 5:08
  a
• 5:08
  living.
• 5:08
  I
• 5:08
  mean,
• 5:08
  just
• 5:09
  like
• 5:09
  when
• 5:09
  you
• 5:09
  feel
• 5:09
  alive.
• 5:10
  Yeah,
• 5:11
  live.
• 5:11
  And
• 5:12
  like
• 5:12
  if
• 5:12
  you
• 5:13
  go
• 5:13
  running
• 5:14
  for
• 5:14
  a
• 5:14
  long
• 5:15
  time
• 5:15
  and
• 5:15
  you
• 5:15
  get
• 5:16
  all,
• 5:16
  you
• 5:16
  know,
• 5:17
  in
• 5:17
  the
• 5:18
  zone
• 5:18
  and
• 5:18
  you
• 5:18
  feel
• 5:18
  the
• 5:19
  aliveness,
• 5:20
  it
• 5:20
  feels
• 5:20
  like
• 5:20
  that,
• 5:21
  sort
• 5:21
  of.
• 5:21
  But
• 5:22
  it
• 5:22
  feels
• 5:22
  like
• 5:22
  that
• 5:22
  throughout
• 5:23
  everything,
• 5:23
  throughout
• 5:24
  the
• 5:24
  whole
• 5:24
  universe.
• 5:25
  So
• 5:25
  the
• 5:25
  universe
• 5:26
  is
• 5:26
  alive.
• 5:27
  Oh,
• 5:27
  yes.
• 5:28
  Yeah,
• 5:29
  yeah.
• 5:29
  And
• 5:29
  the
• 5:30
  Logos
• 5:30
  is
• 5:31
  life
• 5:32
  because
• 5:33
  the
• 5:33
  dynamism,
• 5:34
  what
• 5:34
  does
• 5:34
  it
• 5:34
  mean?
• 5:34
  It's
• 5:35
  alive,
• 5:35
  it's
• 5:35
  dynamic,
• 5:36
  it's
• 5:36
  alive,
• 5:37
  it's
• 5:38
  conscious,
• 5:38
  it's
• 5:38
  alive,
• 5:39
  but
• 5:39
  not
• 5:40
  alive
• 5:40
  as
• 5:40
  an
• 5:41
  individual
• 5:41
  who's
• 5:42
  alive.
• 5:43
  It's
• 5:43
  alive
• 5:43
  in
• 5:44
  the
• 5:44
  sense
• 5:44
  it's
• 5:44
  the
• 5:44
  source
• 5:44
  of
• 5:45
  all
• 5:45
  life
• 5:46
  and
• 5:46
  the
• 5:46
  source
• 5:46
  of
• 5:47
  everything,
• 5:47
  including
• 5:48
  life.
• 5:50
  So
• 5:50
  maybe
• 5:50
  we
• 5:51
  could,
• 5:51
  we
• 5:52
  could.
• 5:52
  That's
• 5:52
  the
• 5:52
  row.
• 5:52
  We.
• 5:53
  Maybe
• 5:53
  you
• 5:53
  could
• 5:54
  kind
• 5:54
  of
• 5:54
  say
• 5:55
  more
• 5:55
  about
• 5:55
  the
• 5:55
  Logos
• 5:56
  and
• 5:56
  lay
• 5:56
  that
• 5:56
  out
• 5:57
  and
• 5:57
  maybe
• 5:58
  to
• 5:58
  prime
• 5:58
  you
• 5:59
  or
• 5:59
  just
• 5:59
  say.
• 5:59
  My
• 5:59
  understanding
• 6:00
  is
• 6:00
  that
• 6:01
  there
• 6:02
  are
• 6:02
  three
• 6:03
  distinct
• 6:03
  characteristics
• 6:04
  you
• 6:04
  speak
• 6:05
  about
• 6:05
  of
• 6:05
  the
• 6:05
  Logos.
• 6:06
  One
• 6:06
  is
• 6:07
  it
• 6:07
  is
• 6:07
  this
• 6:08
  principle
• 6:08
  of
• 6:08
  creative
• 6:09
  dynamism.
• 6:10
  It's
• 6:10
  dynamic
• 6:11
  creative,
• 6:12
  but
• 6:12
  it's
• 6:12
  also
• 6:12
  an
• 6:13
  ordering
• 6:13
  principle.
• 6:14
  That
• 6:14
  is,
• 6:15
  it
• 6:15
  brings
• 6:15
  an
• 6:16
  order
• 6:16
  and
• 6:16
  coherence
• 6:17
  to
• 6:18
  creativity.
• 6:19
  But
• 6:19
  it's
• 6:20
  also
• 6:20
  very
• 6:20
  importantly,
• 6:22
  it's
• 6:22
  a
• 6:22
  nondual
• 6:23
  dynamism.
• 6:24
  And
• 6:24
  that
• 6:24
  is,
• 6:25
  it's
• 6:25
  not
• 6:25
  like
• 6:26
  a
• 6:26
  creator
• 6:26
  God
• 6:27
  ordering
• 6:28
  things
• 6:28
  around,
• 6:29
  outside
• 6:29
  himself,
• 6:30
  herself.
• 6:31
  Rather,
• 6:32
  it
• 6:32
  is
• 6:32
  a
• 6:33
  nondual
• 6:34
  dynamism
• 6:34
  in
• 6:35
  which
• 6:35
  being
• 6:36
  unfolds
• 6:37
  itself
• 6:37
  as
• 6:38
  the
• 6:38
  manifest
• 6:39
  universe
• 6:40
  in
• 6:40
  a
• 6:40
  Particular
• 6:41
  order
• 6:42
  that
• 6:42
  the
• 6:42
  logos
• 6:44
  gives.
• 6:45
  Well,
• 6:45
  I
• 6:45
  mean,
• 6:45
  that's
• 6:46
  why
• 6:46
  the
• 6:46
  Greek,
• 6:47
  the
• 6:47
  word
• 6:47
  logos,
• 6:48
  which
• 6:49
  comes
• 6:49
  from
• 6:49
  order,
• 6:51
  it
• 6:51
  means
• 6:51
  order.
• 6:52
  I
• 6:52
  mean,
• 6:53
  they
• 6:53
  understood
• 6:55
  that
• 6:55
  reality
• 6:55
  has
• 6:56
  an
• 6:56
  order
• 6:56
  to
• 6:56
  it.
• 6:57
  And
• 6:58
  without
• 6:59
  the
• 6:59
  order,
• 6:59
  actually
• 7:00
  it's
• 7:00
  not
• 7:01
  possible
• 7:01
  to
• 7:01
  have
• 7:01
  a
• 7:01
  science,
• 7:02
  for
• 7:02
  instance,
• 7:03
  now,
• 7:04
  and
• 7:05
  also
• 7:05
  life.
• 7:06
  I
• 7:06
  mean,
• 7:07
  you
• 7:07
  know,
• 7:08
  you're
• 7:08
  born,
• 7:09
  you
• 7:09
  grow
• 7:09
  up,
• 7:09
  and
• 7:10
  you
• 7:10
  learn.
• 7:11
  All
• 7:11
  this
• 7:11
  is
• 7:11
  in
• 7:12
  order.
• 7:13
  I
• 7:13
  mean,
• 7:14
  there's
• 7:14
  no
• 7:14
  everything
• 7:15
  just
• 7:15
  happened
• 7:15
  public.
• 7:16
  You're
• 7:16
  born,
• 7:17
  and
• 7:17
  the
• 7:17
  next
• 7:17
  moment
• 7:19
  you're
• 7:20
  thrown
• 7:20
  to
• 7:20
  another
• 7:21
  planet.
• 7:21
  The
• 7:22
  next
• 7:22
  moment
• 7:22
  you're
• 7:23
  dead.
• 7:23
  And
• 7:23
  the
• 7:24
  next
• 7:24
  moment,
• 7:24
  that's
• 7:25
  no
• 7:25
  order,
• 7:25
  that's
• 7:26
  chaos.
• 7:26
  Yeah.
• 7:27
  It's
• 7:27
  not
• 7:27
  random
• 7:27
  chaos.
• 7:28
  Yeah.
• 7:29
  So
• 7:29
  the
• 7:30
  manifestation
• 7:31
  out
• 7:31
  of
• 7:31
  the
• 7:31
  logos,
• 7:32
  the
• 7:32
  logos,
• 7:33
  manifests
• 7:33
  the
• 7:34
  universe
• 7:34
  in
• 7:34
  an
• 7:34
  orderly
• 7:35
  fashion.
• 7:36
  Meaning
• 7:37
  it
• 7:37
  is
• 7:38
  what
• 7:38
  we
• 7:39
  look
• 7:39
  at
• 7:39
  it.
• 7:40
  We
• 7:40
  see
• 7:40
  it
• 7:40
  as
• 7:41
  the
• 7:41
  universe
• 7:42
  with
• 7:42
  its
• 7:42
  natural
• 7:43
  laws
• 7:44
  and
• 7:45
  with
• 7:45
  cause
• 7:46
  and
• 7:46
  effect.
• 7:47
  None
• 7:47
  of
• 7:47
  that.
• 7:47
  We
• 7:48
  see
• 7:48
  all
• 7:48
  this
• 7:48
  order.
• 7:49
  This
• 7:50
  is
• 7:50
  looking
• 7:50
  at
• 7:50
  it
• 7:51
  from
• 7:51
  the
• 7:51
  outside,
• 7:52
  which
• 7:53
  is
• 7:53
  not
• 7:53
  wrong.
• 7:54
  It's
• 7:54
  just
• 7:54
  looking
• 7:54
  at
• 7:55
  it
• 7:55
  from
• 7:55
  the
• 7:55
  outside,
• 7:56
  from
• 7:56
  the
• 7:56
  inside.
• 7:57
  The
• 7:57
  order
• 7:58
  is
• 7:58
  being
• 7:58
  created.
• 8:00
  And
• 8:00
  the
• 8:01
  creation
• 8:01
  happened
• 8:02
  in
• 8:02
  an
• 8:02
  orderly
• 8:03
  fashion
• 8:03
  in
• 8:03
  the
• 8:04
  sense
• 8:04
  that
• 8:04
  each
• 8:05
  manifestation
• 8:06
  is
• 8:06
  replaced
• 8:06
  by
• 8:07
  the
• 8:07
  next
• 8:07
  manifestation.
• 8:08
  But
• 8:08
  the
• 8:09
  replacement
• 8:10
  continually
• 8:11
  has
• 8:11
  an
• 8:11
  order
• 8:11
  to
• 8:12
  it.
• 8:12
  Just
• 8:12
  like
• 8:13
  when
• 8:13
  you
• 8:13
  watch
• 8:13
  a
• 8:14
  movie,
• 8:14
  a
• 8:15
  screen
• 8:15
  is
• 8:15
  changing.
• 8:16
  It
• 8:16
  has
• 8:16
  an
• 8:17
  order.
• 8:17
  You
• 8:17
  can't
• 8:18
  have
• 8:18
  a
• 8:18
  horse
• 8:18
  moving
• 8:19
  from
• 8:19
  one
• 8:19
  side
• 8:20
  to
• 8:20
  the
• 8:20
  next.
• 8:21
  Before
• 8:21
  it
• 8:21
  move
• 8:22
  1
• 8:22
  inch,
• 8:23
  it
• 8:23
  becomes
• 8:23
  a
• 8:23
  bird.
• 8:24
  Before
• 8:24
  it
• 8:25
  move
• 8:25
  1
• 8:25
  inch,
• 8:25
  it
• 8:26
  disappears
• 8:26
  before
• 8:27
  there's
• 8:27
  a
• 8:27
  cowboy.
• 8:28
  No,
• 8:28
  it
• 8:29
  has
• 8:29
  to
• 8:29
  have
• 8:29
  an
• 8:29
  order.
• 8:29
  Otherwise
• 8:30
  you
• 8:30
  won't
• 8:30
  have
• 8:31
  a
• 8:31
  horse
• 8:31
  moving
• 8:31
  from
• 8:31
  one
• 8:32
  end
• 8:32
  to
• 8:32
  the
• 8:32
  other.
• 8:33
  So
• 8:33
  if
• 8:33
  there's
• 8:34
  no
• 8:34
  order,
• 8:34
  I
• 8:35
  mean,
• 8:35
  it
• 8:35
  could
• 8:35
  have
• 8:36
  been
• 8:36
  the
• 8:36
  universe
• 8:37
  could
• 8:37
  have
• 8:37
  been
• 8:37
  manifested
• 8:38
  in
• 8:38
  some
• 8:38
  kind,
• 8:39
  just
• 8:39
  throwing
• 8:40
  out
• 8:40
  things.
• 8:41
  And
• 8:41
  then
• 8:41
  there
• 8:41
  isn't
• 8:42
  life,
• 8:43
  a
• 8:43
  meaningful
• 8:43
  life.
• 8:44
  There's
• 8:44
  no
• 8:44
  order,
• 8:44
  there's
• 8:45
  no
• 8:45
  development,
• 8:45
  there's
• 8:46
  no
• 8:46
  growth.
• 8:47
  So
• 8:47
  the
• 8:47
  fact
• 8:47
  it
• 8:48
  has
• 8:48
  an
• 8:48
  all
• 8:49
  that,
• 8:49
  the
• 8:49
  creativity.
• 8:50
  I
• 8:51
  talk
• 8:51
  about
• 8:51
  the
• 8:51
  pattern.
• 8:52
  It
• 8:53
  is
• 8:53
  a
• 8:53
  pattern
• 8:54
  creation,
• 8:55
  the
• 8:55
  pattern
• 8:56
  outflow
• 8:57
  of
• 8:57
  forms.
• 8:59
  So
• 9:00
  both
• 9:00
  the
• 9:01
  whole
• 9:01
  universe
• 9:02
  has
• 9:02
  a
• 9:02
  pattern,
• 9:02
  and
• 9:03
  it
• 9:03
  moves
• 9:03
  and
• 9:03
  changes
• 9:04
  like
• 9:05
  a
• 9:05
  fabric
• 9:05
  that
• 9:06
  is
• 9:06
  always
• 9:06
  transforming,
• 9:07
  changing,
• 9:08
  but
• 9:08
  changing
• 9:08
  in
• 9:09
  an
• 9:09
  orderly
• 9:10
  fashion
• 9:10
  that
• 9:11
  makes
• 9:12
  our
• 9:12
  life
• 9:13
  meaningful.
• 9:14
  We
• 9:14
  can
• 9:14
  talk
• 9:15
  about
• 9:16
  walking
• 9:16
  and
• 9:17
  traveling
• 9:17
  and
• 9:18
  eating
• 9:18
  and
• 9:19
  sleeping
• 9:20
  and
• 9:20
  sunset
• 9:21
  and
• 9:21
  sunrises
• 9:22
  and
• 9:22
  all.
• 9:23
  All
• 9:23
  this
• 9:24
  is
• 9:24
  order.
• 9:24
  But
• 9:25
  that's
• 9:25
  orders
• 9:26
  coming
• 9:26
  from
• 9:26
  the
• 9:26
  logos.
• 9:27
  So
• 9:27
  the
• 9:27
  idea
• 9:28
  that
• 9:28
  the
• 9:28
  logos,
• 9:28
  not
• 9:29
  just
• 9:29
  creative
• 9:29
  in
• 9:30
  a
• 9:30
  haphazard
• 9:31
  way,
• 9:32
  creative
• 9:32
  in
• 9:32
  a
• 9:32
  way
• 9:33
  that
• 9:33
  has
• 9:33
  an
• 9:34
  order,
• 9:34
  has
• 9:35
  a
• 9:35
  harmony
• 9:35
  in
• 9:36
  its
• 9:36
  order,
• 9:37
  which
• 9:38
  is
• 9:38
  the
• 9:40
  reality
• 9:40
  of
• 9:40
  the
• 9:41
  universe.
• 9:42
  And
• 9:42
  you
• 9:42
  just
• 9:43
  mentioned
• 9:43
  the
• 9:43
  word
• 9:43
  harmony,
• 9:44
  which
• 9:44
  is
• 9:44
  a
• 9:44
  theme
• 9:46
  you
• 9:46
  bring
• 9:46
  in
• 9:46
  in
• 9:47
  your
• 9:47
  discussion
• 9:47
  of
• 9:48
  freedom,
• 9:48
  dynamism,
• 9:49
  and
• 9:49
  of
• 9:49
  the
• 9:49
  logos.
• 9:50
  Saying
• 9:50
  that
• 9:50
  there's
• 9:51
  an
• 9:51
  extraordinary
• 9:53
  universal
• 9:54
  harmony
• 9:55
  of
• 9:55
  the
• 9:55
  arising
• 9:56
  of
• 9:57
  apparently
• 9:57
  separate
• 9:58
  phenomena
• 9:58
  or
• 9:59
  aspects
• 9:59
  of
• 10:00
  being
• 10:01
  in
• 10:01
  this
• 10:03
  not
• 10:03
  only
• 10:03
  incredibly
• 10:04
  inner
• 10:04
  kind
• 10:05
  of
• 10:05
  symphony,
• 10:06
  but
• 10:07
  also
• 10:08
  your
• 10:09
  sense
• 10:09
  of
• 10:09
  it
• 10:10
  is
• 10:10
  that
• 10:10
  it's
• 10:10
  guided
• 10:11
  by
• 10:11
  this
• 10:11
  profound
• 10:12
  cosmic
• 10:13
  intelligence,
• 10:14
  feeling,
• 10:15
  experiencing.
• 10:15
  You
• 10:16
  realize
• 10:16
  how
• 10:17
  the
• 10:17
  intelligence
• 10:18
  and
• 10:19
  intelligence
• 10:20
  that
• 10:20
  has,
• 10:20
  that
• 10:21
  is,
• 10:22
  it
• 10:22
  gives.
• 10:23
  The
• 10:23
  ordering
• 10:23
  principle
• 10:25
  of
• 10:26
  the
• 10:26
  creation
• 10:27
  has
• 10:27
  an
• 10:27
  ordering
• 10:28
  principle.
• 10:29
  This
• 10:29
  ordering
• 10:29
  principle
• 10:30
  has
• 10:30
  intelligence.
• 10:31
  It's
• 10:32
  organic
• 10:33
  inherent
• 10:33
  intelligence,
• 10:34
  not
• 10:35
  a
• 10:35
  thinking
• 10:35
  intelligence
• 10:37
  in
• 10:37
  the
• 10:37
  sense
• 10:37
  that,
• 10:38
  you
• 10:38
  know,
• 10:39
  look
• 10:39
  at
• 10:39
  the
• 10:39
  universe.
• 10:40
  You
• 10:40
  know,
• 10:40
  we
• 10:40
  have
• 10:41
  galaxies,
• 10:42
  stars
• 10:43
  in
• 10:43
  galaxies,
• 10:43
  stars
• 10:44
  have
• 10:44
  planets,
• 10:45
  planets
• 10:45
  have.
• 10:46
  Some
• 10:46
  of
• 10:46
  them
• 10:46
  have
• 10:46
  life.
• 10:47
  Life
• 10:47
  develops,
• 10:48
  it
• 10:49
  evolves,
• 10:49
  it
• 10:50
  becomes
• 10:50
  human.
• 10:51
  Human
• 10:51
  can
• 10:52
  develop
• 10:52
  all
• 10:53
  the
• 10:53
  way
• 10:53
  to
• 10:53
  being
• 10:54
  able
• 10:54
  to
• 10:54
  experience
• 10:54
  the
• 10:55
  locus.
• 10:58
  That's
• 10:58
  quite
• 10:58
  an
• 10:58
  order.
• 10:59
  I
• 10:59
  mean,
• 10:59
  think
• 11:00
  quite
• 11:00
  an
• 11:01
  intelligent.
• 11:01
  I
• 11:01
  mean,
• 11:01
  being
• 11:02
  is
• 11:02
  so
• 11:02
  smart
• 11:03
  that
• 11:04
  it's
• 11:04
  just
• 11:04
  creating
• 11:04
  the
• 11:05
  whole
• 11:05
  universe
• 11:05
  in
• 11:05
  such
• 11:06
  a
• 11:06
  way
• 11:06
  so
• 11:06
  that
• 11:07
  it
• 11:07
  knows
• 11:07
  itself.
• 11:08
  And
• 11:08
  we
• 11:08
  are
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  universe
• 11:09
  thinking.
• 11:10
  So
• 11:10
  the
• 11:10
  universe
• 11:11
  does
• 11:11
  think.
• 11:12
  Yeah,
• 11:14
  yeah.
• 11:14
  I
• 11:14
  mean,
• 11:16
  it
• 11:16
  creates
• 11:17
  our
• 11:17
  thinking.
• 11:18
  Right.
• 11:19
  However,
• 11:20
  that's
• 11:20
  another
• 11:21
  way
• 11:21
  of
• 11:21
  looking
• 11:22
  at
• 11:22
  it.
• 11:22
  If
• 11:22
  you
• 11:23
  look
• 11:23
  at
• 11:24
  the
• 11:24
  creation,
• 11:25
  each
• 11:25
  creation,
• 11:25
  if
• 11:26
  you
• 11:26
  use
• 11:26
  our.
• 11:28
  What
• 11:29
  we
• 11:29
  discussed
• 11:29
  before,
• 11:30
  like
• 11:31
  all
• 11:31
  forms
• 11:32
  and
• 11:32
  nondual
• 11:34
  are
• 11:34
  basically
• 11:35
  noetic
• 11:35
  forms.
• 11:36
  Remember
• 11:36
  I
• 11:37
  called.
• 11:37
  No,
• 11:37
  they're
• 11:38
  all
• 11:38
  concepts,
• 11:39
  basic
• 11:39
  concepts.
• 11:40
  Everything
• 11:41
  like
• 11:41
  a
• 11:41
  tree
• 11:42
  is
• 11:42
  a
• 11:42
  concept,
• 11:42
  bird
• 11:43
  is
• 11:43
  a
• 11:43
  concept,
• 11:43
  and
• 11:44
  being,
• 11:44
  because
• 11:45
  it's
• 11:45
  a
• 11:45
  knowable
• 11:46
  form.
• 11:46
  If
• 11:46
  you
• 11:47
  look
• 11:47
  at
• 11:47
  it
• 11:47
  that
• 11:47
  way,
• 11:48
  then
• 11:49
  the
• 11:49
  logos
• 11:50
  is
• 11:51
  really
• 11:51
  enfoldment
• 11:53
  of
• 11:53
  those
• 11:53
  nomadic
• 11:54
  form.
• 11:55
  And
• 11:55
  if
• 11:55
  it
• 11:55
  is
• 11:56
  like
• 11:56
  this,
• 11:56
  that
• 11:57
  means
• 11:57
  unfolding
• 11:58
  through
• 11:59
  those
• 11:59
  nomadic
• 12:00
  form
• 12:00
  which
• 12:00
  are
• 12:01
  all
• 12:01
  concepts,
• 12:03
  thoughts,
• 12:03
  words.
• 12:04
  So
• 12:05
  it
• 12:05
  is
• 12:06
  the
• 12:06
  creation
• 12:07
  can
• 12:07
  be
• 12:07
  seen
• 12:08
  as
• 12:09
  being,
• 12:09
  thinking
• 12:10
  out
• 12:10
  the
• 12:10
  universe.
• 12:12
  I
• 12:12
  mean,
• 12:13
  there
• 12:13
  are
• 12:13
  different
• 12:13
  sections.
• 12:15
  Thinking
• 12:15
  out
• 12:15
  the
• 12:16
  universe,
• 12:17
  speaking
• 12:17
  out
• 12:17
  the
• 12:18
  universe,
• 12:19
  you
• 12:19
  know,
• 12:20
  unfolding,
• 12:20
  creating
• 12:21
  different
• 12:22
  ways,
• 12:22
  depending
• 12:23
  on
• 12:24
  which
• 12:24
  dimension
• 12:26
  of
• 12:26
  other
• 12:27
  dimension
• 12:27
  through
• 12:28
  nature.
• 12:28
  We're
• 12:28
  looking
• 12:28
  at
• 12:29
  from
• 12:29
  the
• 12:30
  non
• 12:30
  conceptual,
• 12:31
  from
• 12:31
  the
• 12:31
  conceptual,
• 12:32
  from
• 12:32
  dimension
• 12:33
  of
• 12:33
  love.
• 12:34
  Everything
• 12:34
  is,
• 12:34
  you
• 12:35
  know,
• 12:35
  if
• 12:35
  you
• 12:35
  have
• 12:36
  the
• 12:36
  dimension
• 12:37
  of
• 12:37
  love
• 12:37
  as
• 12:38
  implicit
• 12:38
  in
• 12:38
  the
• 12:39
  logos,
• 12:40
  that's
• 12:40
  what
• 12:40
  shows
• 12:41
  more
• 12:41
  the
• 12:42
  richness
• 12:42
  and
• 12:43
  the
• 12:43
  beauty
• 12:44
  and
• 12:44
  the
• 12:45
  harmony,
• 12:45
  a
• 12:45
  sense
• 12:46
  of
• 12:46
  harmony.
• 12:47
  Self
• 12:47
  harmony
• 12:48
  is
• 12:48
  really
• 12:49
  a
• 12:49
  wonderful
• 12:50
  kind
• 12:50
  of.
• 12:50
  It's
• 12:50
  not
• 12:50
  just
• 12:51
  you
• 12:52
  perceive
• 12:52
  harmony,
• 12:52
  you
• 12:52
  feel
• 12:53
  harmony.
• 12:53
  You
• 12:54
  feel
• 12:54
  how
• 12:54
  like
• 12:54
  everything
• 12:55
  is
• 12:56
  harmonious
• 12:56
  with
• 12:57
  everything
• 12:57
  because
• 12:58
  all
• 12:58
  is
• 12:58
  one
• 12:59
  thing.
• 13:00
  Because
• 13:01
  things
• 13:01
  cannot
• 13:02
  vibe
• 13:02
  with
• 13:02
  each
• 13:02
  other,
• 13:03
  can't
• 13:03
  compete
• 13:03
  with
• 13:04
  each
• 13:04
  other,
• 13:04
  they
• 13:04
  cannot
• 13:04
  collide
• 13:05
  with
• 13:05
  each
• 13:05
  other.
• 13:06
  They're
• 13:06
  all
• 13:07
  one
• 13:07
  fabric
• 13:08
  that
• 13:08
  is
• 13:08
  outflowing.
• 13:09
  So
• 13:10
  it
• 13:10
  happens
• 13:11
  in
• 13:11
  some.
• 13:12
  So
• 13:12
  with
• 13:12
  love
• 13:13
  in
• 13:13
  it
• 13:13
  feels
• 13:14
  like
• 13:14
  a
• 13:14
  beautiful
• 13:15
  harmony
• 13:15
  that
• 13:16
  brings
• 13:16
  in
• 13:16
  a
• 13:16
  sense
• 13:17
  of
• 13:17
  fullness
• 13:18
  and
• 13:18
  satisfaction
• 13:19
  and
• 13:19
  love
• 13:20
  and
• 13:20
  gratitude
• 13:21
  and
• 13:21
  all
• 13:21
  of
• 13:21
  that
• 13:22
  to
• 13:23
  the
• 13:23
  human
• 13:23
  soul.
• 13:24
  And
• 13:24
  Hameed,
• 13:26
  how
• 13:26
  do
• 13:26
  we
• 13:27
  hold
• 13:28
  both
• 13:29
  this
• 13:29
  cosmic
• 13:30
  harmony
• 13:31
  and
• 13:32
  when
• 13:32
  the
• 13:32
  Dimension
• 13:33
  of
• 13:33
  love
• 13:33
  is
• 13:33
  present.
• 13:34
  The
• 13:34
  appreciation
• 13:35
  of
• 13:35
  it
• 13:35
  is
• 13:35
  a
• 13:36
  loving
• 13:36
  expression
• 13:37
  with
• 13:38
  some
• 13:38
  of
• 13:38
  the
• 13:38
  world's
• 13:38
  horrors
• 13:39
  and
• 13:39
  the
• 13:40
  apparent
• 13:40
  disharmonies,
• 13:41
  the
• 13:42
  conflicts,
• 13:42
  the
• 13:42
  wars,
• 13:43
  human
• 13:43
  genocide.
• 13:44
  Now,
• 13:45
  well,
• 13:47
  how
• 13:47
  to
• 13:48
  put
• 13:48
  those
• 13:48
  together?
• 13:49
  Well,
• 13:50
  good.
• 13:50
  That's
• 13:50
  a
• 13:50
  good
• 13:51
  question.
• 13:51
  I'm
• 13:51
  sure
• 13:51
  many
• 13:52
  people
• 13:52
  will
• 13:52
  ask
• 13:52
  that
• 13:53
  question.
• 13:54
  All
• 13:54
  of
• 13:54
  that
• 13:55
  that
• 13:55
  we
• 13:55
  see
• 13:56
  is
• 13:56
  true
• 13:57
  about
• 13:57
  the
• 13:58
  genocide,
• 13:58
  whatever.
• 13:59
  That's
• 13:59
  looking
• 13:59
  at
• 14:00
  it
• 14:00
  from
• 14:00
  the
• 14:00
  outside.
• 14:01
  Look
• 14:02
  at
• 14:02
  it
• 14:02
  from
• 14:02
  a
• 14:02
  perspective
• 14:03
  of
• 14:03
  time
• 14:04
  and
• 14:05
  because
• 14:05
  from
• 14:06
  then
• 14:06
  the
• 14:06
  logos,
• 14:07
  it
• 14:08
  is
• 14:08
  creating
• 14:08
  the
• 14:08
  genocide,
• 14:10
  but
• 14:10
  from
• 14:10
  its
• 14:11
  perspective,
• 14:11
  it's
• 14:12
  harmony.
• 14:13
  However,
• 14:14
  not
• 14:14
  for
• 14:14
  us
• 14:15
  human
• 14:15
  beings.
• 14:16
  You
• 14:17
  see,
• 14:17
  you
• 14:17
  could
• 14:17
  say
• 14:18
  for
• 14:18
  the
• 14:18
  divine,
• 14:20
  all
• 14:20
  of
• 14:20
  it
• 14:20
  is
• 14:21
  harmony,
• 14:21
  all
• 14:21
  of
• 14:21
  it
• 14:21
  is
• 14:22
  love.
• 14:22
  For
• 14:23
  us
• 14:23
  human
• 14:24
  being,
• 14:24
  it
• 14:25
  looks
• 14:25
  like
• 14:25
  mayhem,
• 14:26
  it
• 14:26
  looks
• 14:27
  like
• 14:27
  killing,
• 14:28
  and
• 14:28
  it
• 14:28
  is
• 14:28
  true.
• 14:29
  So
• 14:29
  there
• 14:30
  are
• 14:30
  two
• 14:30
  perspectives
• 14:31
  on
• 14:32
  what
• 14:33
  reality
• 14:33
  is.
• 14:33
  So
• 14:34
  the
• 14:34
  harmony
• 14:35
  does
• 14:36
  not
• 14:37
  contradict
• 14:38
  the
• 14:38
  disharmony
• 14:39
  that
• 14:40
  we
• 14:40
  experience
• 14:40
  in
• 14:41
  human
• 14:41
  society.
• 14:43
  Let
• 14:43
  me
• 14:43
  give
• 14:43
  you
• 14:43
  an
• 14:44
  example
• 14:44
  to
• 14:44
  explain
• 14:46
  that.
• 14:47
  If
• 14:47
  you
• 14:47
  take
• 14:48
  the
• 14:48
  human
• 14:48
  body
• 14:49
  for
• 14:49
  instance,
• 14:50
  and
• 14:52
  from
• 14:53
  the
• 14:53
  perspective
• 14:54
  of
• 14:54
  the
• 14:54
  cells,
• 14:57
  perspective
• 14:57
  of
• 14:57
  the
• 14:57
  body,
• 14:58
  the
• 14:58
  organ,
• 14:58
  the
• 14:58
  cells,
• 14:59
  there
• 15:00
  is
• 15:00
  disease,
• 15:01
  the
• 15:01
  cancer
• 15:02
  cell,
• 15:03
  all
• 15:03
  that
• 15:04
  develop
• 15:04
  and
• 15:04
  creates
• 15:05
  a
• 15:05
  lot
• 15:05
  of
• 15:05
  pain.
• 15:06
  Then
• 15:07
  the
• 15:07
  body
• 15:07
  deteriorates
• 15:08
  and
• 15:08
  dies.
• 15:09
  If
• 15:09
  you
• 15:09
  look
• 15:09
  at
• 15:10
  it
• 15:10
  for
• 15:10
  the
• 15:10
  perspective,
• 15:10
  elementary
• 15:11
  particles,
• 15:12
  for
• 15:12
  instance,
• 15:13
  everything
• 15:14
  is
• 15:14
  perfect.
• 15:16
  No
• 15:16
  elementary
• 15:17
  particle
• 15:17
  is
• 15:17
  imperfect.
• 15:18
  And
• 15:19
  the
• 15:19
  particles
• 15:19
  are
• 15:20
  always
• 15:20
  interacting
• 15:21
  in
• 15:21
  a
• 15:21
  perfect
• 15:22
  harmonious
• 15:22
  way.
• 15:23
  So
• 15:23
  it's
• 15:24
  the
• 15:24
  two
• 15:24
  different
• 15:24
  dimensions
• 15:25
  of
• 15:25
  the
• 15:26
  same
• 15:26
  thing.
• 15:27
  So
• 15:27
  it
• 15:27
  depends
• 15:28
  which
• 15:28
  one
• 15:28
  we're
• 15:29
  looking
• 15:29
  at.
• 15:29
  Same
• 15:30
  thing
• 15:30
  about
• 15:30
  the
• 15:30
  Logos
• 15:31
  and
• 15:32
  harmony.
• 15:32
  And
• 15:33
  there's
• 15:33
  this
• 15:33
  harmony
• 15:34
  we
• 15:34
  find
• 15:34
  in
• 15:34
  society.
• 15:36
  One
• 15:36
  of
• 15:36
  the
• 15:36
  things
• 15:36
  I
• 15:36
  appreciate
• 15:37
  about
• 15:37
  your
• 15:38
  perspectives
• 15:38
  and
• 15:38
  teachings,
• 15:39
  Hameed,
• 15:40
  is
• 15:40
  that
• 15:40
  you
• 15:40
  repeatedly
• 15:41
  acknowledge
• 15:43
  that
• 15:44
  there
• 15:44
  are
• 15:45
  not
• 15:45
  only
• 15:45
  is
• 15:46
  reality
• 15:46
  multi
• 15:47
  layered,
• 15:47
  multidimensional,
• 15:48
  but
• 15:49
  the
• 15:49
  one
• 15:49
  can
• 15:49
  take
• 15:50
  multiple
• 15:51
  perspectives.
• 15:52
  And
• 15:52
  that
• 15:54
  if
• 15:54
  I
• 15:54
  am
• 15:55
  understanding
• 15:55
  you,
• 15:56
  a
• 15:56
  skillful
• 15:57
  way
• 15:57
  to
• 15:58
  live
• 15:59
  is
• 15:59
  to
• 15:59
  honor
• 16:00
  all
• 16:00
  the
• 16:00
  perspectives
• 16:01
  or
• 16:01
  as
• 16:02
  many
• 16:02
  as
• 16:02
  we
• 16:02
  are
• 16:02
  open
• 16:03
  to,
• 16:04
  to
• 16:04
  integrate
• 16:05
  them
• 16:05
  into
• 16:05
  a
• 16:06
  coherent
• 16:06
  understanding.
• 16:07
  And
• 16:08
  not
• 16:08
  to
• 16:09
  do
• 16:10
  a
• 16:10
  kind
• 16:10
  of
• 16:10
  spiritual
• 16:11
  bypass
• 16:11
  with
• 16:12
  the
• 16:12
  suffering
• 16:12
  or
• 16:13
  the
• 16:13
  horrors
• 16:14
  of
• 16:14
  the
• 16:14
  world,
• 16:15
  but
• 16:15
  to
• 16:15
  respond
• 16:16
  to
• 16:16
  them,
• 16:16
  to
• 16:16
  heal,
• 16:17
  to
• 16:17
  help
• 16:17
  as
• 16:17
  best
• 16:17
  we
• 16:18
  can,
• 16:19
  while
• 16:19
  to
• 16:19
  whatever
• 16:20
  extent
• 16:20
  we
• 16:20
  can,
• 16:21
  recognizing
• 16:22
  a
• 16:23
  greater
• 16:23
  harmony
• 16:24
  and
• 16:25
  even
• 16:26
  perfection
• 16:26
  to
• 16:28
  the
• 16:28
  whole.
• 16:29
  Yeah,
• 16:29
  I
• 16:29
  mean,
• 16:30
  if
• 16:30
  you
• 16:30
  look
• 16:30
  at
• 16:31
  the
• 16:31
  Buddhist
• 16:31
  perspective,
• 16:32
  for
• 16:32
  instance,
• 16:33
  the
• 16:33
  dark
• 16:34
  perspective,
• 16:35
  from
• 16:36
  the
• 16:36
  perspective,
• 16:37
  everything
• 16:37
  is
• 16:38
  nondual
• 16:39
  unified
• 16:40
  matrix,
• 16:40
  that
• 16:41
  is
• 16:41
  complete
• 16:42
  perfection.
• 16:43
  Total
• 16:43
  perfection,
• 16:44
  it's
• 16:44
  called
• 16:45
  it.
• 16:45
  So
• 16:46
  reality
• 16:46
  is
• 16:46
  total
• 16:47
  perfection.
• 16:47
  At
• 16:48
  the
• 16:48
  same
• 16:48
  time,
• 16:49
  the
• 16:49
  Buddhas
• 16:50
  are
• 16:50
  important
• 16:50
  for
• 16:51
  them
• 16:51
  to
• 16:51
  liberate
• 16:52
  human
• 16:52
  being
• 16:53
  from
• 16:53
  their
• 16:53
  suffering.
• 16:54
  They're
• 16:54
  both
• 16:55
  perspective
• 16:56
  out
• 16:56
  there.
• 16:57
  See,
• 16:58
  it's
• 16:58
  similar
• 16:58
  to
• 16:59
  that.
• 17:00
  Yeah.
• 17:01
  Sometimes
• 17:01
  I.
• 17:01
  I
• 17:02
  think,
• 17:02
  I
• 17:02
  don't
• 17:02
  know
• 17:02
  if
• 17:02
  you
• 17:02
  said
• 17:03
  this
• 17:03
  or
• 17:03
  I
• 17:03
  just
• 17:04
  kind
• 17:04
  of
• 17:04
  Sometimes
• 17:05
  I
• 17:05
  get
• 17:05
  these
• 17:05
  little
• 17:05
  gestalts
• 17:06
  when
• 17:06
  I'm
• 17:06
  studying
• 17:07
  your
• 17:07
  work
• 17:07
  and
• 17:07
  I
• 17:08
  just
• 17:08
  kind
• 17:08
  of
• 17:08
  understand
• 17:09
  something.
• 17:09
  Not
• 17:09
  linearly,
• 17:10
  but
• 17:10
  it
• 17:10
  just
• 17:11
  appears,
• 17:12
  but
• 17:12
  that
• 17:12
  in
• 17:12
  some
• 17:12
  sense
• 17:13
  we're
• 17:13
  playing
• 17:13
  a
• 17:13
  role
• 17:14
  as
• 17:14
  individuals.
• 17:15
  But
• 17:16
  then.
• 17:16
  Then
• 17:16
  we
• 17:17
  become.
• 17:17
  Oh,
• 17:17
  not
• 17:17
  on.
• 17:18
  I'm
• 17:18
  not
• 17:19
  Hamlet,
• 17:19
  I'm
• 17:19
  playing
• 17:20
  Hamlet.
• 17:20
  So
• 17:21
  when
• 17:21
  I
• 17:21
  realized
• 17:21
  that
• 17:21
  I
• 17:21
  can
• 17:21
  play
• 17:22
  Hamlet
• 17:22
  better,
• 17:23
  but
• 17:23
  I'm
• 17:23
  also
• 17:24
  the
• 17:24
  director
• 17:25
  and
• 17:25
  I'm
• 17:25
  also
• 17:25
  the
• 17:26
  directing.
• 17:27
  I'm
• 17:27
  all
• 17:27
  those
• 17:27
  things
• 17:28
  at
• 17:28
  once.
• 17:29
  So
• 17:30
  be
• 17:31
  a
• 17:31
  good
• 17:31
  Hamlet,
• 17:32
  you
• 17:32
  know,
• 17:33
  be
• 17:33
  relaxed
• 17:34
  into
• 17:35
  that.
• 17:36
  What
• 17:36
  you
• 17:36
  are,
• 17:37
  the
• 17:37
  role
• 17:37
  that
• 17:37
  you've
• 17:37
  been
• 17:37
  given
• 17:38
  and
• 17:38
  the
• 17:38
  work,
• 17:38
  the
• 17:38
  role
• 17:39
  that
• 17:39
  keeps
• 17:40
  emerging
• 17:41
  instant
• 17:41
  to
• 17:41
  instant.
• 17:42
  Yeah,
• 17:43
  I
• 17:43
  mean,
• 17:44
  I
• 17:44
  am
• 17:46
  being.
• 17:46
  I'm
• 17:47
  the
• 17:47
  creation
• 17:48
  of
• 17:49
  everything
• 17:49
  at
• 17:50
  the
• 17:50
  same
• 17:50
  time.
• 17:51
  I'm
• 17:51
  a
• 17:51
  human
• 17:51
  being
• 17:52
  who
• 17:52
  lived
• 17:52
  in
• 17:53
  this
• 17:53
  house
• 17:53
  in
• 17:53
  Berkeley,
• 17:55
  although
• 17:55
  I
• 17:56
  am
• 17:56
  creating
• 17:56
  Berkeley.
• 17:58
  And
• 17:59
  sometimes
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  have
• 18:00
  experience
• 18:00
  both
• 18:00
  at
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  same
• 18:01
  time.
• 18:02
  I
• 18:02
  mean,
• 18:03
  fully,
• 18:04
  like
• 18:04
  I'm
• 18:04
  creating
• 18:05
  all
• 18:05
  of
• 18:05
  this,
• 18:06
  my
• 18:06
  environment
• 18:07
  while
• 18:08
  I'm
• 18:08
  environment,
• 18:08
  sometimes
• 18:09
  I
• 18:09
  have
• 18:09
  experience.
• 18:10
  I
• 18:10
  am.
• 18:11
  As
• 18:11
  I
• 18:11
  walk,
• 18:12
  I'm
• 18:12
  creating
• 18:12
  the
• 18:13
  road
• 18:14
  as
• 18:14
  I
• 18:14
  walk
• 18:14
  into
• 18:15
  it.
• 18:15
  I
• 18:15
  am
• 18:15
  creating
• 18:16
  the
• 18:16
  room.
• 18:16
  I
• 18:17
  get
• 18:17
  into.
• 18:17
  I'm
• 18:18
  creating
• 18:18
  the
• 18:18
  room
• 18:19
  and
• 18:19
  creating
• 18:19
  myself
• 18:20
  appearing
• 18:21
  in
• 18:21
  the
• 18:21
  room.
• 18:21
  Is
• 18:22
  that
• 18:22
  a
• 18:22
  harmonious
• 18:23
  experience?
• 18:23
  Does
• 18:24
  that
• 18:24
  feel
• 18:25
  whole?
• 18:26
  Whole
• 18:26
  satisfying?
• 18:27
  That
• 18:28
  character
• 18:28
  is
• 18:29
  beautiful.
• 18:30
  Yeah,
• 18:30
  harmonious.
• 18:31
  Of
• 18:31
  course,
• 18:32
  that's
• 18:33
  the
• 18:33
  thing.
• 18:33
  You
• 18:33
  see,
• 18:34
  the
• 18:34
  more
• 18:35
  we
• 18:35
  are
• 18:36
  in
• 18:36
  this
• 18:36
  realm,
• 18:37
  which
• 18:37
  is
• 18:38
  this
• 18:38
  Ram.
• 18:38
  Any
• 18:38
  Rama
• 18:39
  being,
• 18:40
  we
• 18:40
  tend
• 18:40
  to
• 18:41
  act
• 18:42
  in
• 18:42
  a
• 18:42
  harmonious,
• 18:43
  loving
• 18:43
  way
• 18:43
  in
• 18:44
  the
• 18:44
  world.
• 18:44
  We
• 18:45
  tend
• 18:45
  to
• 18:45
  bring
• 18:46
  this
• 18:46
  harmony
• 18:46
  into
• 18:47
  the
• 18:47
  world
• 18:47
  of
• 18:47
  disharmony.
• 18:49
  So
• 18:49
  it's
• 18:50
  not
• 18:50
  like
• 18:50
  the
• 18:51
  two
• 18:51
  are
• 18:52
  disconnected.
• 18:53
  I
• 18:53
  mean,
• 18:54
  true,
• 18:54
  there
• 18:55
  are
• 18:55
  two
• 18:55
  ways
• 18:56
  of
• 18:56
  looking
• 18:56
  at
• 18:56
  reality
• 18:57
  from
• 18:57
  different
• 18:58
  angles.
• 18:59
  However,
• 19:00
  we
• 19:00
  can
• 19:00
  bring
• 19:01
  the
• 19:01
  deeper
• 19:01
  angle
• 19:02
  into
• 19:02
  the
• 19:03
  smaller
• 19:03
  angle.
• 19:04
  The
• 19:04
  way
• 19:04
  we
• 19:05
  live.
• 19:05
  Our
• 19:05
  attitude,
• 19:07
  our
• 19:08
  hearts
• 19:08
  and
• 19:09
  our
• 19:09
  actions
• 19:10
  that
• 19:11
  express
• 19:11
  that
• 19:12
  inner
• 19:12
  harmony.
• 19:13
  That's
• 19:13
  a
• 19:13
  very
• 19:14
  important
• 19:14
  practical
• 19:15
  implication
• 19:16
  amid
• 19:16
  that
• 19:17
  these
• 19:17
  larger
• 19:19
  realizations
• 19:20
  of,
• 19:20
  for
• 19:20
  example,
• 19:21
  cosmic
• 19:22
  harmony
• 19:22
  can
• 19:23
  inform
• 19:25
  our
• 19:25
  actions.
• 19:26
  If
• 19:27
  to
• 19:27
  whatever
• 19:27
  extent,
• 19:28
  there's
• 19:28
  still
• 19:28
  the
• 19:28
  sense
• 19:29
  of
• 19:29
  a
• 19:29
  separate
• 19:30
  doer,
• 19:30
  that
• 19:31
  that
• 19:31
  sense
• 19:32
  can
• 19:32
  be
• 19:33
  informed
• 19:35
  by
• 19:35
  the
• 19:36
  recognition
• 19:36
  of
• 19:36
  a
• 19:37
  harmony
• 19:37
  and
• 19:38
  lead
• 19:38
  to
• 19:39
  greater
• 19:40
  skillfulness,
• 19:41
  harmonious
• 19:42
  responses,
• 19:42
  effective
• 19:43
  healing
• 19:44
  responses.
• 19:45
  It's
• 19:45
  beautiful.
• 19:46
  Yeah,
• 19:46
  that's
• 19:47
  true.
• 19:47
  One
• 19:48
  little
• 19:48
  thing
• 19:49
  added.
• 19:50
  As
• 19:50
  the
• 19:50
  inner
• 19:51
  harmony
• 19:52
  merges
• 19:53
  itself
• 19:53
  in
• 19:53
  individual
• 19:54
  harmony.
• 19:55
  The
• 19:55
  individual
• 19:56
  harmony
• 19:56
  is
• 19:56
  not
• 19:56
  separate
• 19:57
  from
• 19:58
  the
• 19:58
  larger
• 19:58
  harmony.
• 19:59
  It
• 19:59
  is
• 20:00
  like
• 20:00
  focus
• 20:01
  of
• 20:01
  it.
• 20:03
  So
• 20:03
  there's
• 20:03
  no
• 20:03
  separate.
• 20:04
  There's
• 20:04
  no
• 20:04
  separate
• 20:04
  individual.
• 20:06
  Separate
• 20:06
  individual
• 20:07
  disappears
• 20:07
  at
• 20:07
  some
• 20:08
  point.
• 20:08
  There's
• 20:09
  no
• 20:09
  separation.
• 20:09
  Although
• 20:10
  an
• 20:10
  individual
• 20:11
  can
• 20:11
  continue,
• 20:12
  but
• 20:12
  an
• 20:12
  individual.
• 20:13
  That's
• 20:13
  one
• 20:13
  thing
• 20:13
  I
• 20:14
  disagree
• 20:14
  with
• 20:14
  Advidanta.
• 20:16
  They
• 20:16
  always
• 20:16
  think
• 20:17
  individual
• 20:17
  means
• 20:18
  separate.
• 20:19
  I
• 20:19
  say
• 20:19
  no
• 20:19
  individual
• 20:20
  can
• 20:20
  be
• 20:20
  separate
• 20:21
  or
• 20:21
  be
• 20:21
  not
• 20:22
  separate.
• 20:24
  You
• 20:24
  know,
• 20:24
  Like
• 20:24
  a
• 20:24
  drop
• 20:25
  of
• 20:25
  water
• 20:25
  can
• 20:25
  be
• 20:25
  separate
• 20:26
  from
• 20:26
  the
• 20:26
  ocean,
• 20:27
  but
• 20:27
  could
• 20:27
  be
• 20:27
  just
• 20:28
  part
• 20:28
  of
• 20:28
  the
• 20:28
  ocean.
• 20:30
  And
• 20:30
  the
• 20:30
  perception
• 20:31
  of
• 20:31
  being
• 20:31
  separate
• 20:32
  is
• 20:33
  where
• 20:33
  a
• 20:33
  lot
• 20:33
  of
• 20:33
  our
• 20:34
  suffering
• 20:34
  comes
• 20:35
  from
• 20:35
  as
• 20:35
  human
• 20:35
  beings.
• 20:36
  Yeah.
• 20:37
  And
• 20:37
  separate
• 20:38
  in
• 20:38
  some
• 20:38
  sense.
• 20:39
  You
• 20:39
  could
• 20:40
  say
• 20:40
  that's
• 20:41
  the
• 20:41
  world
• 20:41
  of
• 20:41
  Samsara.
• 20:42
  Buddhism
• 20:43
  has
• 20:43
  Samsara,
• 20:44
  Nirvana,
• 20:45
  they
• 20:45
  don't
• 20:46
  say.
• 20:46
  And
• 20:48
  deepest
• 20:48
  realization.
• 20:49
  They
• 20:49
  say
• 20:49
  in
• 20:49
  Nirvana.
• 20:50
  Samsara,
• 20:50
  the
• 20:51
  same
• 20:51
  thing.
• 20:51
  However,
• 20:52
  for
• 20:53
  a
• 20:53
  long
• 20:53
  time
• 20:53
  they
• 20:54
  want
• 20:54
  to
• 20:54
  liberate
• 20:54
  people
• 20:55
  from
• 20:55
  Samsara
• 20:56
  because
• 20:56
  they're
• 20:56
  living
• 20:56
  in
• 20:57
  suffering.
• 20:57
  And
• 20:57
  suffering
• 20:58
  is
• 20:58
  being
• 20:58
  a
• 20:59
  separate
• 20:59
  individual
• 21:00
  who
• 21:00
  has
• 21:01
  a
• 21:01
  history
• 21:01
  and
• 21:01
  who
• 21:02
  has
• 21:02
  a
• 21:02
  trauma
• 21:03
  and
• 21:03
  has
• 21:04
  likes
• 21:04
  and
• 21:04
  dislikes
• 21:05
  being
• 21:06
  liked
• 21:06
  or
• 21:06
  rejected
• 21:07
  or
• 21:08
  successful
• 21:08
  or
• 21:09
  failing
• 21:10
  all
• 21:10
  of
• 21:11
  these
• 21:11
  things.
• 21:12
  But
• 21:12
  that
• 21:13
  is
• 21:14
  the
• 21:14
  life
• 21:15
  of
• 21:15
  the
• 21:16
  way
• 21:16
  it
• 21:16
  appears
• 21:16
  in
• 21:17
  the
• 21:17
  dualistic
• 21:17
  world.
• 21:18
  And
• 21:19
  one
• 21:19
  thing
• 21:19
  I
• 21:19
  want
• 21:20
  to
• 21:20
  add
• 21:20
  here
• 21:21
  about
• 21:21
  the
• 21:22
  dualistic
• 21:22
  world,
• 21:22
  although
• 21:23
  I'm
• 21:23
  talking
• 21:23
  nonduality,
• 21:25
  do
• 21:25
  not
• 21:25
  say
• 21:25
  that
• 21:26
  the
• 21:26
  dualistic
• 21:27
  world
• 21:27
  is
• 21:27
  an
• 21:27
  illusion.
• 21:28
  The
• 21:28
  dualistic
• 21:29
  world
• 21:29
  is
• 21:29
  one
• 21:30
  way
• 21:30
  that
• 21:31
  the
• 21:31
  logos
• 21:31
  manifest
• 21:32
  reality.
• 21:33
  The
• 21:33
  creative
• 21:34
  dynamism
• 21:34
  can
• 21:35
  create
• 21:35
  a
• 21:36
  dualistic
• 21:36
  world.
• 21:37
  Now
• 21:37
  I'm
• 21:37
  torn,
• 21:38
  wanting
• 21:38
  to
• 21:38
  go
• 21:38
  two
• 21:38
  ways.
• 21:41
  Many
• 21:41
  topics
• 21:41
  in
• 21:42
  many
• 21:42
  areas.
• 21:42
  We
• 21:43
  could
• 21:43
  go
• 21:43
  many
• 21:43
  directions.
• 21:44
  They're
• 21:45
  endless,
• 21:45
  bottomless,
• 21:47
  which
• 21:47
  is
• 21:47
  wonderful.
• 21:48
  I
• 21:48
  mean,
• 21:48
  it's
• 21:49
  a
• 21:49
  delight.
• 21:50
  It's
• 21:51
  fun,
• 21:51
  actually.
• 21:51
  Fun.
• 21:52
  Yeah,
• 21:53
  it
• 21:53
  is.
• 21:53
  It
• 21:53
  is
• 21:54
  fun.
• 21:54
  Discussing
• 21:56
  great
• 21:56
  deal
• 21:56
  of
• 21:56
  excitement
• 21:57
  and
• 21:59
  wonder
• 21:59
  and
• 22:00
  the
• 22:00
  experience
• 22:00
  itself.
• 22:02
  And
• 22:02
  teaching
• 22:03
  it
• 22:03
  is
• 22:03
  always
• 22:04
  a
• 22:04
  delight
• 22:04
  because
• 22:05
  I'm
• 22:05
  talking
• 22:06
  about
• 22:06
  something
• 22:06
  I
• 22:06
  love
• 22:07
  and
• 22:07
  I'm
• 22:08
  giving
• 22:08
  something
• 22:09
  I
• 22:09
  love
• 22:09
  to
• 22:09
  other
• 22:10
  people.
• 22:10
  I
• 22:10
  love
• 22:12
  talking
• 22:12
  with
• 22:12
  you.
• 22:12
  I'm
• 22:13
  sharing
• 22:13
  something
• 22:14
  that
• 22:14
  I
• 22:14
  love
• 22:14
  and
• 22:15
  you
• 22:15
  are
• 22:15
  part
• 22:15
  of
• 22:15
  it.
• 22:16
  Your
• 22:16
  bodies
• 22:16
  are
• 22:17
  created
• 22:17
  the
• 22:18
  same
• 22:18
  time
• 22:18
  that
• 22:18
  my
• 22:19
  body
• 22:19
  is
• 22:19
  created
• 22:20
  right.
• 22:21
  By
• 22:21
  this
• 22:22
  underlying
• 22:22
  dynamism.
• 22:24
  And
• 22:24
  we're
• 22:24
  created
• 22:24
  as
• 22:25
  loving
• 22:26
  the
• 22:26
  dialogue
• 22:27
  too.
• 22:27
  So
• 22:27
  it's.
• 22:28
  Yes,
• 22:30
  well,
• 22:30
  you
• 22:30
  mentioned
• 22:31
  teaching,
• 22:31
  Hameed,
• 22:32
  and
• 22:33
  along
• 22:33
  with
• 22:33
  that
• 22:33
  goes
• 22:34
  transmission.
• 22:34
  I
• 22:35
  think
• 22:35
  John
• 22:35
  and
• 22:35
  I
• 22:36
  both
• 22:36
  really
• 22:36
  loved
• 22:37
  your
• 22:37
  section
• 22:38
  in
• 22:38
  this
• 22:38
  chapter
• 22:39
  on
• 22:39
  transmission.
• 22:40
  I
• 22:40
  was
• 22:40
  just
• 22:41
  going
• 22:41
  to
• 22:41
  say
• 22:41
  that
• 22:41
  by
• 22:41
  the
• 22:41
  way,
• 22:41
  Roger.
• 22:42
  Yeah.
• 22:43
  The
• 22:43
  logos
• 22:44
  is,
• 22:44
  you
• 22:44
  know,
• 22:44
  creating
• 22:45
  us
• 22:45
  all,
• 22:45
  etc.
• 22:47
  And
• 22:47
  amid
• 22:47
  you
• 22:48
  give
• 22:48
  a
• 22:48
  really
• 22:49
  beautiful
• 22:49
  and
• 22:50
  deeper
• 22:51
  expression
• 22:52
  of
• 22:53
  transmission
• 22:53
  than
• 22:54
  I
• 22:54
  think
• 22:54
  John
• 22:54
  and
• 22:55
  I
• 22:55
  have
• 22:55
  seen
• 22:55
  elsewhere.
• 22:56
  And
• 22:56
  you
• 22:57
  speak
• 22:57
  about
• 22:57
  the
• 22:58
  idea
• 22:58
  that
• 22:58
  particularly
• 22:59
  the
• 22:59
  way
• 22:59
  you
• 22:59
  train
• 23:00
  your
• 23:00
  diamond
• 23:00
  approach
• 23:01
  teachers
• 23:02
  and
• 23:03
  in
• 23:04
  profound
• 23:04
  spiritual
• 23:05
  transmission
• 23:05
  of
• 23:05
  any
• 23:06
  kind
• 23:06
  that
• 23:07
  you
• 23:07
  teach
• 23:08
  about
• 23:08
  a
• 23:08
  topic.
• 23:09
  And
• 23:09
  in
• 23:09
  the
• 23:09
  teaching
• 23:10
  you
• 23:10
  evoke
• 23:12
  the
• 23:12
  realization
• 23:13
  state
• 23:13
  of
• 23:14
  mind
• 23:14
  that
• 23:14
  you're
• 23:15
  teaching
• 23:16
  about
• 23:16
  is
• 23:16
  evoked
• 23:17
  in
• 23:17
  you
• 23:17
  and
• 23:18
  in
• 23:18
  the
• 23:18
  teacher
• 23:18
  that
• 23:19
  is
• 23:19
  expressed
• 23:20
  in
• 23:20
  both
• 23:21
  words,
• 23:21
  but
• 23:22
  also
• 23:23
  all
• 23:23
  sorts
• 23:23
  of
• 23:23
  non
• 23:23
  verbal
• 23:24
  expressions,
• 23:24
  body
• 23:25
  posture,
• 23:25
  et
• 23:25
  cetera.
• 23:26
  And
• 23:27
  that
• 23:27
  the
• 23:27
  student,
• 23:28
  if
• 23:28
  they're
• 23:29
  sensitive
• 23:30
  and
• 23:30
  ready,
• 23:30
  can
• 23:31
  kind
• 23:31
  of
• 23:32
  resonate
• 23:32
  with
• 23:32
  that
• 23:33
  pick
• 23:33
  that
• 23:33
  up
• 23:34
  on
• 23:34
  multiple
• 23:35
  dimensions.
• 23:35
  You
• 23:36
  mentioned
• 23:36
  that
• 23:36
  when
• 23:36
  it's
• 23:37
  transmission
• 23:37
  coming
• 23:38
  through
• 23:38
  a
• 23:38
  teacher,
• 23:39
  what's
• 23:39
  transmitted,
• 23:40
  it's
• 23:40
  the
• 23:40
  Logos.
• 23:41
  And
• 23:41
  this
• 23:42
  sparks
• 23:42
  something
• 23:43
  in
• 23:44
  the
• 23:44
  student
• 23:45
  to
• 23:45
  the
• 23:45
  people
• 23:45
  listening.
• 23:46
  And
• 23:46
  so
• 23:47
  the
• 23:47
  Logos
• 23:47
  begins
• 23:48
  to
• 23:48
  be
• 23:48
  more
• 23:49
  consciously
• 23:49
  aware
• 23:50
  of
• 23:50
  in
• 23:51
  the
• 23:51
  student.
• 23:51
  And
• 23:52
  every
• 23:52
  gesture,
• 23:53
  every
• 23:53
  word,
• 23:53
  the
• 23:54
  presence
• 23:54
  of
• 23:54
  the
• 23:54
  teacher
• 23:55
  begins
• 23:55
  to
• 23:56
  in
• 23:56
  some
• 23:57
  way
• 23:57
  transform
• 23:58
  and
• 23:58
  come
• 23:58
  alive
• 23:59
  in
• 24:00
  the
• 24:00
  students
• 24:00
  who
• 24:01
  are
• 24:01
  the
• 24:01
  receptors
• 24:01
  of
• 24:02
  it.
• 24:02
  And
• 24:02
  it
• 24:02
  becomes
• 24:02
  a
• 24:03
  field,
• 24:03
  I
• 24:04
  suppose,
• 24:04
  a
• 24:05
  manifest
• 24:05
  field
• 24:05
  of
• 24:05
  the
• 24:06
  living
• 24:06
  Logos.
• 24:07
  Yeah,
• 24:08
  yeah.
• 24:08
  The
• 24:09
  both
• 24:09
  of
• 24:09
  you
• 24:09
  are
• 24:09
  asking
• 24:09
  about
• 24:10
  the
• 24:10
  direct
• 24:10
  transmission.
• 24:11
  I
• 24:11
  think
• 24:12
  an
• 24:12
  important
• 24:12
  topic.
• 24:13
  It's
• 24:13
  an
• 24:13
  important
• 24:14
  topic
• 24:14
  in
• 24:14
  all
• 24:15
  spiritual
• 24:15
  teaching.
• 24:16
  Actually,
• 24:16
  it's
• 24:17
  employed
• 24:17
  by
• 24:17
  all
• 24:18
  spiritual
• 24:18
  teaching,
• 24:19
  many
• 24:20
  spiritual
• 24:20
  teaching,
• 24:21
  for
• 24:21
  instance.
• 24:22
  I
• 24:23
  want
• 24:23
  to
• 24:23
  give
• 24:23
  a
• 24:23
  context
• 24:24
  to
• 24:24
  answer
• 24:24
  the
• 24:25
  question.
• 24:25
  If
• 24:25
  you
• 24:25
  look
• 24:26
  at
• 24:26
  the
• 24:26
  Tibetans,
• 24:26
  for
• 24:27
  instance,
• 24:27
  the
• 24:27
  way
• 24:27
  they
• 24:27
  do
• 24:28
  direct
• 24:28
  transmission,
• 24:29
  they
• 24:30
  use
• 24:31
  rituals
• 24:32
  for
• 24:33
  direct
• 24:33
  transmission.
• 24:34
  You
• 24:35
  know,
• 24:35
  the
• 24:35
  chanting
• 24:36
  and
• 24:37
  symbols
• 24:37
  and
• 24:38
  whatever,
• 24:38
  you
• 24:38
  know,
• 24:39
  and
• 24:39
  things
• 24:39
  like
• 24:39
  that.
• 24:40
  And
• 24:40
  then.
• 24:41
  And
• 24:41
  from
• 24:41
  that,
• 24:42
  the
• 24:42
  supposedly
• 24:43
  generational
• 24:44
  state
• 24:45
  and
• 24:45
  the
• 24:45
  Lama
• 24:45
  that
• 24:46
  then
• 24:47
  can't
• 24:48
  receive.
• 24:48
  The
• 24:48
  clearest
• 24:49
  I
• 24:49
  remember
• 24:50
  exposing
• 24:51
  that
• 24:51
  is
• 24:52
  when
• 24:52
  I
• 24:53
  the
• 24:53
  Black
• 24:54
  Hat
• 24:54
  ceremony
• 24:55
  of
• 24:55
  the
• 24:55
  Karmapa.
• 24:57
  If
• 24:57
  you
• 24:57
  ever
• 24:57
  been
• 24:57
  to
• 24:58
  one
• 24:58
  of
• 24:58
  them,
• 24:59
  that's
• 24:59
  probably
• 25:00
  the
• 25:00
  16th
• 25:00
  Karmaba
• 25:01
  who
• 25:01
  used
• 25:02
  to
• 25:02
  do
• 25:02
  the
• 25:02
  Black
• 25:02
  Hat
• 25:03
  ceremony.
• 25:03
  The
• 25:03
  present
• 25:04
  Karma
• 25:04
  doesn't,
• 25:05
  because
• 25:05
  they
• 25:05
  don't
• 25:05
  have
• 25:05
  the
• 25:05
  black
• 25:06
  hat
• 25:06
  anymore.
• 25:07
  And
• 25:08
  the
• 25:08
  Black
• 25:08
  Hat
• 25:08
  ceremony
• 25:09
  is
• 25:09
  basically
• 25:09
  the
• 25:10
  Karma
• 25:10
  is
• 25:10
  already
• 25:11
  in
• 25:11
  a
• 25:11
  state,
• 25:12
  expanded
• 25:13
  into
• 25:13
  the
• 25:13
  awareness
• 25:14
  that
• 25:14
  he
• 25:15
  wants
• 25:15
  his
• 25:15
  people
• 25:16
  to
• 25:16
  receive.
• 25:17
  But
• 25:17
  he.
• 25:18
  They
• 25:18
  go
• 25:18
  through
• 25:19
  some
• 25:19
  chanting,
• 25:19
  whatever,
• 25:20
  and
• 25:20
  he
• 25:20
  has
• 25:20
  a
• 25:20
  ritual
• 25:21
  taking
• 25:21
  the
• 25:21
  black
• 25:21
  hat,
• 25:23
  opening
• 25:23
  it
• 25:23
  and
• 25:23
  putting
• 25:24
  it
• 25:24
  over
• 25:24
  his
• 25:25
  head.
• 25:26
  When
• 25:26
  he
• 25:26
  does
• 25:26
  that,
• 25:27
  his
• 25:27
  state
• 25:27
  become
• 25:28
  much
• 25:28
  more
• 25:28
  magnified.
• 25:30
  His
• 25:31
  ritual
• 25:31
  he's
• 25:31
  used
• 25:31
  to
• 25:32
  throughout
• 25:33
  his
• 25:33
  life
• 25:34
  by
• 25:34
  putting
• 25:35
  the
• 25:35
  hat
• 25:35
  on
• 25:35
  his
• 25:36
  head,
• 25:37
  the
• 25:37
  state
• 25:37
  that
• 25:38
  he
• 25:38
  had
• 25:39
  to
• 25:39
  be
• 25:39
  transmitted,
• 25:40
  the
• 25:40
  empty
• 25:40
  awareness
• 25:41
  is
• 25:42
  expanded
• 25:42
  and
• 25:43
  much
• 25:43
  more
• 25:43
  intensified,
• 25:44
  which
• 25:44
  make
• 25:45
  it
• 25:46
  easier
• 25:46
  for
• 25:46
  people
• 25:47
  to
• 25:47
  receive.
• 25:48
  So
• 25:48
  the
• 25:48
  question
• 25:49
  is,
• 25:49
  how
• 25:49
  does
• 25:49
  this
• 25:50
  transmission
• 25:50
  happen?
• 25:51
  Is
• 25:51
  it
• 25:51
  really
• 25:52
  that
• 25:52
  he
• 25:53
  sent
• 25:53
  a
• 25:54
  state
• 25:54
  of
• 25:55
  awareness
• 25:56
  and
• 25:56
  the
• 25:56
  student
• 25:57
  taught
• 25:58
  it?
• 25:59
  Many
• 25:59
  people
• 25:59
  think
• 26:00
  of
• 26:00
  it
• 26:00
  as
• 26:00
  maybe
• 26:00
  that
• 26:01
  way
• 26:01
  that
• 26:01
  the
• 26:01
  teacher
• 26:02
  sends
• 26:03
  something,
• 26:03
  you
• 26:04
  know,
• 26:04
  emanates
• 26:05
  something,
• 26:05
  and
• 26:06
  the
• 26:06
  student
• 26:06
  receives
• 26:07
  it.
• 26:08
  Comes
• 26:08
  from
• 26:08
  outside.
• 26:09
  But
• 26:10
  looking
• 26:10
  at
• 26:10
  it
• 26:10
  that
• 26:11
  way,
• 26:12
  that's
• 26:12
  a
• 26:12
  dualistic
• 26:13
  perspective.
• 26:14
  Looking
• 26:14
  at
• 26:14
  direct
• 26:15
  transmission.
• 26:16
  It's
• 26:16
  dualistic
• 26:17
  and
• 26:17
  based
• 26:18
  on
• 26:18
  physical
• 26:19
  body
• 26:19
  and
• 26:20
  physicality.
• 26:20
  There
• 26:21
  are
• 26:21
  two
• 26:21
  people,
• 26:22
  physical
• 26:22
  bodies,
• 26:23
  and
• 26:23
  one
• 26:23
  transmits
• 26:24
  something
• 26:25
  has
• 26:26
  been
• 26:27
  what
• 26:28
  I
• 26:28
  call
• 26:28
  the
• 26:29
  billiard
• 26:29
  ball
• 26:29
  perspective.
• 26:31
  You
• 26:31
  know,
• 26:31
  from
• 26:32
  the
• 26:32
  perspective
• 26:33
  of
• 26:33
  the
• 26:33
  logos
• 26:34
  is
• 26:35
  that
• 26:36
  as
• 26:36
  one
• 26:37
  teacher
• 26:37
  or
• 26:38
  anybody
• 26:38
  is
• 26:38
  in
• 26:38
  a
• 26:39
  state
• 26:39
  of
• 26:39
  being
• 26:40
  that
• 26:41
  they
• 26:41
  are,
• 26:43
  and
• 26:43
  it
• 26:43
  is
• 26:43
  strongly
• 26:44
  in
• 26:44
  them,
• 26:45
  it's
• 26:46
  sort
• 26:46
  of
• 26:46
  that
• 26:47
  can
• 26:48
  invite
• 26:49
  the
• 26:49
  surrounding
• 26:50
  people
• 26:50
  who
• 26:50
  are
• 26:51
  near
• 26:51
  them
• 26:52
  to
• 26:53
  sort
• 26:53
  of
• 26:54
  open
• 26:54
  up
• 26:55
  to
• 26:55
  that
• 26:56
  possibility.
• 26:57
  So
• 26:58
  it
• 26:58
  opens
• 26:58
  up
• 26:59
  in
• 26:59
  them.
• 27:00
  It's
• 27:01
  not
• 27:01
  like
• 27:01
  they're
• 27:01
  getting
• 27:02
  it
• 27:02
  from
• 27:02
  another
• 27:02
  person.
• 27:03
  They
• 27:03
  get
• 27:03
  it
• 27:04
  from
• 27:04
  themselves.
• 27:05
  But
• 27:06
  the
• 27:06
  teacher
• 27:08
  impact
• 27:09
  is
• 27:09
  to
• 27:09
  open
• 27:09
  them
• 27:10
  up
• 27:10
  to
• 27:10
  that
• 27:10
  possibility
• 27:12
  by
• 27:12
  the
• 27:13
  way
• 27:13
  they
• 27:13
  express
• 27:13
  themselves.
• 27:14
  The
• 27:14
  way
• 27:14
  the
• 27:15
  rituals
• 27:15
  or
• 27:16
  the
• 27:16
  way
• 27:16
  they
• 27:16
  say.
• 27:17
  And
• 27:17
  the
• 27:17
  thing
• 27:18
  that
• 27:18
  you
• 27:19
  both
• 27:19
  mentioned,
• 27:20
  the
• 27:20
  way
• 27:21
  we
• 27:21
  do
• 27:21
  in
• 27:21
  that
• 27:21
  approach
• 27:22
  is
• 27:23
  the
• 27:23
  way
• 27:23
  we
• 27:24
  get
• 27:25
  into
• 27:25
  the
• 27:25
  state
• 27:26
  of
• 27:26
  transmission
• 27:27
  is
• 27:27
  by
• 27:28
  speaking.
• 27:29
  Because
• 27:29
  the
• 27:30
  words
• 27:31
  from
• 27:31
  the
• 27:31
  logos,
• 27:33
  each
• 27:34
  state
• 27:35
  is
• 27:35
  noble
• 27:36
  if
• 27:36
  it
• 27:36
  is
• 27:36
  knowable.
• 27:38
  And
• 27:38
  it
• 27:39
  can
• 27:39
  be
• 27:39
  verbalized.
• 27:41
  And
• 27:41
  the
• 27:41
  word
• 27:42
  is
• 27:42
  not
• 27:42
  separate
• 27:42
  from
• 27:43
  the
• 27:43
  state.
• 27:43
  As
• 27:44
  the
• 27:44
  word
• 27:44
  is
• 27:45
  set,
• 27:45
  the
• 27:45
  state
• 27:46
  comes
• 27:46
  out
• 27:46
  with
• 27:46
  the
• 27:47
  word.
• 27:48
  So
• 27:49
  each
• 27:50
  word
• 27:51
  expresses
• 27:51
  a
• 27:52
  state
• 27:52
  that
• 27:52
  it
• 27:53
  points
• 27:53
  to
• 27:54
  that
• 27:54
  way.
• 27:54
  The
• 27:55
  words
• 27:55
  and
• 27:55
  the
• 27:56
  state
• 27:56
  are
• 27:56
  two
• 27:57
  sides
• 27:57
  of
• 27:57
  the
• 27:57
  same
• 27:58
  thing.
• 27:59
  And
• 27:59
  the
• 27:59
  teachers.
• 28:00
  And
• 28:01
  the
• 28:01
  way
• 28:01
  I
• 28:01
  do
• 28:01
  it,
• 28:02
  as
• 28:02
  I
• 28:02
  talk
• 28:03
  about
• 28:03
  certain
• 28:03
  state,
• 28:04
  it
• 28:04
  gets
• 28:05
  more
• 28:05
  there.
• 28:06
  It
• 28:06
  manifests
• 28:07
  more.
• 28:07
  Because
• 28:09
  for
• 28:09
  me,
• 28:09
  the
• 28:09
  words
• 28:10
  and
• 28:10
  the
• 28:10
  state
• 28:11
  are
• 28:11
  not
• 28:11
  separate.
• 28:12
  They're
• 28:12
  sort
• 28:12
  of.
• 28:13
  Because
• 28:14
  I'm
• 28:14
  speaking
• 28:14
  words
• 28:15
  that
• 28:15
  are
• 28:16
  very
• 28:17
  aligned
• 28:17
  or
• 28:18
  very
• 28:19
  expressive
• 28:20
  of
• 28:20
  the
• 28:20
  state,
• 28:20
  a
• 28:21
  direct
• 28:21
  way.
• 28:22
  So
• 28:22
  at
• 28:22
  some
• 28:22
  point,
• 28:23
  speaking
• 28:24
  the
• 28:24
  word
• 28:24
  and
• 28:25
  the
• 28:25
  state
• 28:25
  itself
• 28:25
  become
• 28:26
  the
• 28:26
  same
• 28:26
  thing.
• 28:27
  So
• 28:28
  by
• 28:28
  speaking
• 28:29
  more
• 28:29
  and
• 28:29
  describing
• 28:30
  it
• 28:30
  more,
• 28:31
  the
• 28:31
  state
• 28:32
  manifests
• 28:32
  more
• 28:32
  and
• 28:33
  more.
• 28:33
  And
• 28:34
  since
• 28:34
  the
• 28:34
  state
• 28:34
  manifest,
• 28:36
  the
• 28:36
  people,
• 28:36
  the
• 28:36
  listeners
• 28:37
  or
• 28:37
  the
• 28:37
  students
• 28:39
  are
• 28:40
  sensitive.
• 28:41
  The
• 28:41
  more
• 28:41
  sensitive
• 28:41
  they
• 28:42
  are,
• 28:42
  the
• 28:42
  more
• 28:42
  they
• 28:43
  see
• 28:43
  that.
• 28:43
  And
• 28:44
  that
• 28:44
  invites
• 28:46
  the
• 28:46
  state
• 28:46
  to
• 28:46
  arise
• 28:47
  in
• 28:47
  them.
• 28:48
  So
• 28:48
  that
• 28:50
  how
• 28:50
  I
• 28:50
  understand
• 28:51
  the
• 28:51
  exile's
• 28:52
  mission.
• 28:53
  So
• 28:54
  the
• 28:54
  word
• 28:54
  transmission
• 28:56
  is
• 28:56
  really
• 28:57
  a
• 28:57
  misnomer.
• 28:58
  It's
• 28:58
  a
• 28:58
  direct
• 28:59
  invocation.
• 29:01
  Oh,
• 29:01
  nice.
• 29:02
  Yeah.
• 29:03
  That
• 29:03
  term
• 29:04
  does
• 29:05
  seems
• 29:05
  more
• 29:06
  appropriate
• 29:06
  to
• 29:07
  the
• 29:08
  understanding.
• 29:09
  You're
• 29:09
  offering
• 29:10
  us
• 29:10
  a
• 29:10
  mead.
• 29:10
  Rather
• 29:11
  than
• 29:11
  the
• 29:11
  kind
• 29:12
  of
• 29:12
  mechanical
• 29:13
  transmission,
• 29:13
  belieable
• 29:15
  metaphor.
• 29:15
  Yeah.
• 29:16
  So
• 29:16
  thank
• 29:16
  you
• 29:16
  very
• 29:17
  much.
• 29:17
  Yeah.
• 29:18
  And
• 29:18
  I
• 29:18
  think
• 29:19
  in
• 29:19
  postmodern
• 29:20
  spirituality
• 29:21
  that
• 29:21
  words
• 29:21
  and
• 29:22
  speaking
• 29:22
  has
• 29:22
  gotten
• 29:22
  a
• 29:23
  bad
• 29:23
  reputation.
• 29:24
  That
• 29:24
  we're
• 29:24
  not
• 29:25
  supposed
• 29:25
  to
• 29:25
  be
• 29:25
  in
• 29:25
  our
• 29:25
  heads
• 29:26
  and
• 29:26
  all
• 29:26
  this.
• 29:26
  But
• 29:27
  what
• 29:27
  you're
• 29:27
  saying
• 29:28
  is
• 29:28
  words
• 29:28
  are
• 29:28
  powerful,
• 29:29
  words
• 29:29
  are
• 29:29
  transitory,
• 29:30
  words
• 29:30
  are
• 29:31
  magic.
• 29:32
  And
• 29:32
  they
• 29:33
  evoke
• 29:34
  in
• 29:34
  us
• 29:35
  very
• 29:35
  powerful
• 29:36
  states
• 29:36
  of
• 29:37
  becoming
• 29:38
  alive.
• 29:38
  Yeah.
• 29:39
  Remember,
• 29:39
  we
• 29:39
  are
• 29:39
  Western
• 29:40
  people.
• 29:40
  We
• 29:40
  are
• 29:41
  children
• 29:41
  of
• 29:41
  the
• 29:42
  Greek
• 29:42
  civilization,
• 29:43
  the
• 29:43
  Greeks.
• 29:43
  The
• 29:44
  word
• 29:44
  was
• 29:44
  important
• 29:45
  for
• 29:45
  them.
• 29:46
  The
• 29:46
  word
• 29:46
  is
• 29:46
  the
• 29:47
  Logos.
• 29:48
  So
• 29:49
  the
• 29:49
  logos
• 29:50
  is
• 29:50
  not
• 29:50
  only
• 29:50
  the
• 29:51
  word.
• 29:52
  That
• 29:52
  word
• 29:52
  has
• 29:52
  many
• 29:53
  words.
• 29:55
  And
• 29:55
  those
• 29:56
  words
• 29:56
  are
• 29:56
  the
• 29:57
  creation
• 29:57
  itself
• 29:58
  and
• 29:58
  also
• 29:58
  our
• 29:59
  words.
• 30:01
  And
• 30:01
  you
• 30:01
  know,
• 30:02
  the
• 30:02
  Eastern
• 30:02
  tradition,
• 30:03
  like
• 30:03
  the
• 30:04
  Tibetan,
• 30:04
  they
• 30:04
  develop
• 30:05
  rituals
• 30:06
  instead
• 30:06
  of
• 30:06
  words,
• 30:08
  you
• 30:08
  know,
• 30:09
  and
• 30:09
  rituals.
• 30:10
  Because
• 30:11
  the
• 30:11
  rituals
• 30:11
  are
• 30:12
  connected
• 30:12
  to
• 30:12
  the
• 30:12
  state.
• 30:13
  They
• 30:14
  invoke
• 30:14
  the
• 30:15
  state.
• 30:16
  So
• 30:17
  the
• 30:17
  lama,
• 30:17
  when
• 30:17
  they
• 30:17
  does
• 30:18
  the
• 30:18
  ritual,
• 30:18
  they
• 30:18
  get
• 30:18
  into
• 30:19
  the
• 30:19
  state.
• 30:19
  The
• 30:19
  ritual
• 30:20
  helps
• 30:20
  them
• 30:20
  get
• 30:21
  into
• 30:21
  the
• 30:21
  state.
• 30:23
  You
• 30:23
  know,
• 30:24
  ritual
• 30:24
  sometimes
• 30:25
  could
• 30:25
  be
• 30:25
  like
• 30:26
  chanting
• 30:26
  or
• 30:27
  meditation.
• 30:28
  And
• 30:29
  the
• 30:29
  Invocation
• 30:30
  of
• 30:31
  particular
• 30:32
  realizations
• 30:33
  is
• 30:33
  part
• 30:33
  of
• 30:33
  a
• 30:34
  developmental
• 30:34
  process.
• 30:35
  Which
• 30:36
  brings
• 30:36
  us
• 30:37
  to
• 30:37
  a
• 30:38
  very
• 30:38
  important
• 30:39
  topic
• 30:39
  in
• 30:39
  this
• 30:40
  chapter
• 30:40
  that
• 30:40
  kind
• 30:41
  of
• 30:42
  builds
• 30:43
  from
• 30:44
  everything
• 30:44
  you've
• 30:45
  spoken
• 30:46
  earlier
• 30:46
  about
• 30:47
  the
• 30:47
  creative
• 30:48
  dynamism
• 30:48
  of
• 30:49
  reality,
• 30:49
  that
• 30:50
  it's
• 30:50
  ordered
• 30:51
  by
• 30:51
  the
• 30:51
  logos.
• 30:52
  There's
• 30:52
  an
• 30:52
  order,
• 30:52
  coherence,
• 30:53
  harmony,
• 30:53
  harmony
• 30:54
  to
• 30:54
  it.
• 30:54
  But
• 30:55
  there's
• 30:55
  also,
• 30:55
  you
• 30:56
  point
• 30:56
  out
• 30:56
  a
• 30:56
  developmental
• 30:58
  aspect
• 30:59
  to
• 31:00
  creativity,
• 31:00
  that
• 31:01
  a
• 31:01
  kind
• 31:02
  of
• 31:02
  intelligent
• 31:03
  developmental
• 31:04
  process
• 31:05
  seems
• 31:06
  to
• 31:06
  be
• 31:06
  inherent
• 31:07
  in
• 31:08
  creativity.
• 31:08
  And
• 31:09
  you
• 31:09
  speak
• 31:09
  of
• 31:09
  this
• 31:10
  as
• 31:10
  the
• 31:11
  one
• 31:11
  facet
• 31:12
  of
• 31:12
  it,
• 31:12
  as
• 31:12
  the
• 31:13
  optimizing
• 31:14
  force.
• 31:15
  Stay
• 31:15
  tuned
• 31:16
  for
• 31:16
  part
• 31:16
  three
• 31:16
  of
• 31:17
  dialogue
• 31:17
  15
• 31:18
  in
• 31:18
  our
• 31:18
  Ah
• 31:18
  Alnus
• 31:19
  Wisdom
• 31:20
  series.
• 31:20
  Here,
• 31:20
  Hameed
• 31:21
  continues
• 31:21
  to
• 31:22
  explore
• 31:22
  the
• 31:22
  creative
• 31:23
  dynamism
• 31:23
  of
• 31:24
  the
• 31:24
  universe
• 31:25
  and
• 31:25
  tells
• 31:25
  us
• 31:25
  that
• 31:25
  there
• 31:26
  is
• 31:26
  a
• 31:26
  transformational
• 31:27
  force
• 31:28
  specific
• 31:29
  to
• 31:29
  the
• 31:29
  human
• 31:29
  soul
• 31:30
  where
• 31:30
  the
• 31:30
  heart
• 31:30
  burns
• 31:31
  with
• 31:31
  desire
• 31:32
  for
• 31:32
  liberation.
• 31:33
  This
• 31:33
  force
• 31:34
  is
• 31:34
  responsible
• 31:35
  for
• 31:35
  human
• 31:35
  spiritual
• 31:36
  development.
• 31:37
  Thank
• 31:37
  you
• 31:37
  very
• 31:38
  much
• 31:38
  for
• 31:38
  being
• 31:39
  a
• 31:39
  part
• 31:39
  of
• 31:39
  this
• 31:39
  conversation.
• 31:40
  We
• 31:40
  hope
• 31:41
  that
• 31:41
  you
• 31:41
  were
• 31:41
  moved,
• 31:42
  as
• 31:42
  we
• 31:42
  are
• 31:42
  moved,
• 31:43
  being
• 31:43
  part
• 31:43
  of
• 31:43
  it
• 31:44
  ourselves.
• 31:44
  We'd
• 31:45
  also
• 31:45
  like
• 31:45
  to
• 31:45
  say
• 31:46
  that
• 31:46
  this
• 31:46
  is
• 31:46
  being
• 31:47
  funded
• 31:47
  by
• 31:47
  Roger
• 31:48
  and
• 31:48
  myself.
• 31:48
  It
• 31:48
  comes
• 31:49
  out
• 31:49
  of
• 31:49
  our
• 31:49
  pockets.
• 31:49
  So
• 31:50
  if
• 31:50
  you
• 31:50
  would
• 31:50
  like
• 31:50
  to
• 31:50
  help,
• 31:51
  help
• 31:51
  us
• 31:51
  to
• 31:52
  mainly
• 31:52
  to
• 31:52
  get
• 31:52
  this
• 31:53
  podcast
• 31:53
  out
• 31:53
  to
• 31:54
  more
• 31:54
  people
• 31:54
  because
• 31:54
  the
• 31:55
  bigger
• 31:55
  audience
• 31:55
  have,
• 31:55
  which
• 31:56
  is
• 31:56
  steadily
• 31:56
  growing,
• 31:56
  but
• 31:57
  the
• 31:57
  more
• 31:57
  people
• 31:57
  we
• 31:58
  can
• 31:58
  reach
• 31:58
  and
• 31:58
  the
• 31:58
  more
• 31:58
  marketing
• 31:59
  we
• 31:59
  can
• 31:59
  do,
• 31:59
  the
• 32:00
  more
• 32:00
  positive
• 32:00
  effect
• 32:01
  we
• 32:01
  can
• 32:01
  have
• 32:01
  on
• 32:01
  the
• 32:02
  world.
• 32:02
  So
• 32:02
  we've
• 32:03
  done
• 32:03
  that
• 32:03
  a
• 32:03
  couple
• 32:03
  of
• 32:03
  ways.
• 32:03
  But
• 32:04
  we'd
• 32:04
  like
• 32:04
  you
• 32:04
  to
• 32:04
  buy
• 32:05
  us
• 32:05
  a
• 32:05
  cup
• 32:05
  of
• 32:05
  coffee,
• 32:06
  very
• 32:06
  simple.
• 32:06
  And
• 32:07
  I
• 32:07
  do
• 32:07
  that
• 32:07
  with
• 32:07
  podcasts
• 32:08
  that
• 32:08
  I
• 32:09
  support
• 32:09
  and
• 32:10
  I
• 32:10
  find
• 32:10
  it's
• 32:10
  very
• 32:11
  satisfying.
• 32:11
  So
• 32:12
  thank
• 32:12
  you
• 32:12
  for
• 32:12
  your
• 32:12
  help,
• 32:13
  thank
• 32:13
  you
• 32:13
  for
• 32:13
  your
• 32:13
  presence
• 32:14
  and
• 32:14
  thank
• 32:14
  you
• 32:14
  for
• 32:15
  all
• 32:15
  you
• 32:15
  are
• 32:15
  and
• 32:16
  all
• 32:16
  you
• 32:16
  do
• 32:16
  do.
• 32:16
  We
• 32:16
  love
• 32:17
  you.