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Rick Lyon: The Future of Urantia Part 1 · Urantia Radio

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Well, we're back and it's time for another edition of the
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Urantia Radio Podcast, and I'm so glad that you have joined me.
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I'm going to have a very special guest on Rick Lyon, who has been
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a big part of of the Urantia book community for decades, he
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and his wife Susan. And so we're going to talk about
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his experiences both as a reader, as an administrator for
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his work with the Urantia Association, and what he's doing
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now with the Center for Unity. And all of these different
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wonderful things that are going on in the Urantia book
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community, including what Rick Line and others are using and
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harnessing the power of artificial intelligence to
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spread the teachings of the Urantia Papers.
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So we'll get to all of that and more.
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Also want to let folks know that I am in the final stages of the
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new website for the Urantia Podcast.
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The web address for that is urantiabookradio.com, your
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rancherbookradio.com, and that should be up and running by the
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first couple of days of March. And that'll be a great place for
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you to actually listen to the podcast and also if you want to
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comment and provide some listener feedback, all of that.
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And Rick Lyon, hang on, it's going to be joining us in just a
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moment. I'm really happy to have Rick
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Lyon on the program. Many of the people in the
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Urantia community, they've been around for a while, know Rick.
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He's was the Urantia Association International executive from
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2008 to 2014, and before that he handled the study groups for the
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Ranch Association. So I want to get to some of
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that. We're also going to be talking
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about a paper that that was written by Doctor William
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Sadler, answering the initial criticisms that came from many
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people, mostly theologians, other philosophers, perhaps,
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because when you're the Your Ranch book was first published.
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I remember we're talking about a revelation here.
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We're talking about something that says that is, is as epical
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as Adam and Eve is as epical as even the life of of Christ and
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his appearance as the Son of God.
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So it's it's putting itself in a very high estate.
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And so it was natural that there would be some criticisms.
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So we'll go over that a little bit.
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But Rick, I want to just welcome you to the program and I thank
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you very much for coming on board today.
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How are you and how is everything going for you in the
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Urantia book are obviously you're still engaged, so tell me
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how things are going for you since you've left UAI and and
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now are sort of going solo as they say.
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Are you still heavily involved in the community?
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Oh, absolutely. I think I'm more busy today than
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I than I was back then, honestly, because in 2014 I
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stepped away from being the executive director with UAI and
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we started, my wife and I, we started Cosmic Creations, which
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is an online store that Wrench Foundation blessed us with
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permission to make, you know, merchandise with the circles on
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it and all that stuff. And that's been very successful
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and it's still going today after 11 years.
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And then now we're involved, excuse me, now we're involved
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with the Center for Unity since 2021.
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We got involved with that. So there's a lot of great things
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happening, a lot of exciting things happening.
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And we're blessed to be part of all of it, for sure.
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I may have to hit you up for a ring.
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I've I've I've seen there's a certain kind of urant and I
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don't wear jewelry but I would wear a concentric circle just to
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have it there in case. Either that or what?
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Wear a hat all the time That might be the way to go.
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Do you have a website for that that you could get people that
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want to buy your rancher related items?
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Absolutely. It's called cosmic creations dot
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BIZ. So it's cosmic creations kind of
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hold one word dot BIZ for business, so.
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OK, good. Because I remembered you had
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said that at a Zoom conference at one point and I forgot to
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write it down. So I'm, I'm so glad that you
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brought that up. So you're also part of the
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Center for Unity and we've had you and and other folks from
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Gabriel Reinberg, obviously one of the leaders and tell us again
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what Center of Unity is supposed to be about and all the
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different projects that are going on.
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Oh, my goodness. Well, the Center for Unity, our
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main goal is to bring the teachings of the Urantia Book to
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the young people of the world and to also let people know that
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the most important thing is their personal relationship with
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God. True religion is their personal
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relationship with God, and that's what's really important.
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So we've tried to use modern technology to bring the
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teachings to the young people of the world.
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You know, many of us that many times have said, you know, young
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people are not going to pick up a 2097 page book.
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They're not going to go to the library and try to find things
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like that. They're all nowadays, they're
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all online, they're on social media and places like that.
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They get, they get more out of a 5 minute video than they do out
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of a 2000 page book for sure. So that's what we've tried to do
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is use modern technology and they're primarily artificial
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intelligence right now, honestly.
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And we're using that to bring the revelation to young people.
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And I've often said, you know, when you go fishing, you go
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fishing where the fish are and you use the bait that they're
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looking for. And that's what we're trying to
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do with the Center for Unity, is bring this revelation and the
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teachings to the young people. And we have several projects.
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Probably our biggest project at the moment is discoverjesus.com
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and we've had several people, experienced Uranti Book
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students, put that together. There are over 500 essays on
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there about the people, places, dates, topics, events from the
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Uranti Book, and there are many different essays on there.
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And all those essays are connected together through this
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network that that Gabriel Reinberg created.
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And so you can go in there and basically it's a custom made
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learning experience for your auntie book.
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And you can go in there and search for people and then you
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can see all the places connected to that person, all the events
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connected to that person and all the dates of those events.
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So it really is a custom made learning experience for the
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ranch book. It also has an audio feature
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where, and I'll talk about that if you want, about the Your
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Ranch Book pod. But we've also use AI to create
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an audio feature for each one of those essays where not only can
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you read the essay, but you can hear a short about 5 minute
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discussion of that essay. And then also on, on
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discoverjesus.com. The other big thing is the
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beautiful artwork that Gary Tom created for us.
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And each one of the essays has a unique artwork that he created
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for us. And we're so blessed to have
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that because it really adds a visual aspect to the, to the
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website that that pulls people in.
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So there's that the and then I'll talk about the Urantia
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book, Urantia book, todd.com. That was a project that came to
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us very suddenly. It was, you know, one day
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Gabriel discovered that Google had this thing called notebook
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LM. And what you could do was upload
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text and it would make a podcast out of that text.
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And so we uploaded each paper and created your anti book
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pod.com. So we did it over period about,
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I don't know, two or three weeks or something like that.
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So it happened pretty quick, but it is the most amazing thing.
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It's a lot of fun. We listen to one of those
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podcasts each day and we've used it in study group and this AI
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couple talk back and forth. It's a man and a woman and AI
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voice. It's all generated through AI.
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And they discussed that particular paper and they'll
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tell jokes and they're kind of light hearted and they make some
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really deep comparisons. But it's a great way of
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introducing the book to new people in a, you know, in a less
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intellectual way. I'll put it that way.
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And so it's a lot of fun and we we use that in our study Group A
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lot. And then the other one is that I
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am so excited about is the Rancher book, tutor.com,
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rancherbooktutor.com. And So what that does, it's an
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AI program that's much more advanced than the AI we were
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using a couple years ago. You know, in the world of AIA,
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couple years is like ancient history type thing.
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So this one's much more advanced and you can put in a question
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and the real trick to it is learning how to ask the
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question. So you can, it's not like a
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glorified search engine or anything like that.
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It's a real conversational interactive AI discussion
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basically. And you can go in and ask a
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question and whatever question you can ask, you can say, well,
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can you tell me more about that? Or you can you explain it
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further? Or can you explain it in a way
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that a 10 year old child would answer it or would, would
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understand it? You can put in a, a Spanish
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question, you get a Spanish response.
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You can put in a French question and you get a French response.
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So it's multilingual also. And, you know, it's really this,
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the responses we get from it are just so profound and it can do
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in two or three seconds what would take you weeks and maybe
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months to research for a particular question.
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And I'm just so excited about it because I think it's going to be
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a really great tool. And it's so far it's proving to
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be a really great tool. What's you know, many people are
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out there using it. We had 80 experienced Your Ranch
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book students volunteer to help us troubleshoot it and go
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through the beta testing to find the bugs in it and things like
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that. So, but it's, no, it's doing
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pretty well and going well and everybody seems to be really
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enjoying it. I know I use it regularly.
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Like the other day I had a quote in my head and I searched for it
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through the normal search engine.
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I could not find that quote. And I, you know, it's one of
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those things, I know what it says, but I can't find it.
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So I put that into the ranch book tutor and I said, can you
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find a quote that says something like this?
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And boom, just like in, I don't know, two or three seconds there
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it was. So it's going to be a great
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study aid for individuals and really great for, for study
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groups. It's going to be good for
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anybody that wants to, you know, write a book or do a
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presentation or create some kind of secondary work at that sort
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of thing. So.
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Boy, the tools that are available today that were not
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available when you and I first encountered the book is
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astronomically advanced. And one wonders, you know, will
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this accelerate the growth of certainly will hopefully
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accelerate the awareness of the Urantia book and in ways that we
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never would have imagined even 25 years ago.
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So have you seen the transformative effect some of
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these things have had on people that are just now learning about
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the Urantia book? Oh, absolutely.
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Especially like discoverjesus.com, I keep track
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of the the analytics on things like that. discoverjesus.com is
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a little over a year and a half old now.
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We introduced it just shortly after the parliament.
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We were at the Parliament of World Religions in 2023 and we
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introduced this just shortly after that.
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But in like a year and a half or so, we've had over 23,000
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individual people visit that. And you know, that's from 100.
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And I think the last time I looked as 143 different
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countries. So, you know, we tend to think
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that the ranch book revelation, this revelation is kind of a
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small thing because we're so spread out.
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There doesn't seem to be many people around that study the
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book, but when you look at it on a worldwide basis and you see
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the reach that we've been able to have with using the new
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technology. You know, the AI is big part of
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it. Social media is a big part of
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it, videos a big part of it. And I remember the when the
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Internet came on and we were able to do search engines, we
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thought that was the greatest thing ever.
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And it was, well, this is going to another even higher level
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with, with the AI being able to not just be a, a glorified
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search engine, but to be something even exponentially
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better than that. So, yeah, we've seen just, you
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know, through our analytics, we see the we're reaching a lot of
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people all around the world. And this is growing.
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And you know, it's, it's an exciting thing to be part of for
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sure. So we are making a difference
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out there. We are reaching people beyond
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the Urantia community with this revelation, too.
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I, I'm almost afraid to encounter some of the stuff
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because then I'll just want to do that all the time and I
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wouldn't want to do anything else and get trapped.
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I mean, I, one of the things that have sort of caught my eye
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about AI is that they are in and, and it is a remarkable
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tool. And just like any tool, it can
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be abused for the wrong things, you know, and we've seen some
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examples of that, of people having their voice lifted or
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creating video and, and that kind of thing has, in your
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opinion, is it, is there any way that maybe somebody could
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corrupt the Urantia book teachings with some of this AI
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Or, you know, because we've heard that AI can sometimes it's
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kind of like Wikipedia, whoever is behind it can sometimes
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influence what the output answers will be.
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So is there any chance or possibility that AI could be
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corrupted or or or risk misrepresent some of the
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teachings of the Urantia book? Oh sure, absolutely any anything
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that's, you know, man made like that can corrupt anything.
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But for me, you know, I remember when the Internet, I'm old
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enough to remember when there was no Internet and then the
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Internet came on. When the Internet came out, you
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know, people were like, Oh my gosh, this is the end of the
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world. People are going to be out of
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work, you know, and the Internet was going to take over the
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world, basically. And now they're saying the same
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thing about the AI, the artificial intelligence.
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But for me, The thing is that it's just a tool.
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It's just another resource and good people are going to do good
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things with it and bad people are going to do bad things with
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it. And, you know, it's like the
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saying that all that's required for evil to succeed is a good
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people do nothing. And if we don't use these tools
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that God has given us to further this revelation, other people
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will. So we need to occupy the field,
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as my friend Gaetan Shalan often tells us, you know, occupy the
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field with within the AI to make sure that it is used for good
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and and that our good overshadows any evil or bad that
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comes from it. So yeah, it can.
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It can be used for those kind of least desirable purposes, but we
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need to be making sure it's used for good.
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I wonder if if it could be used in a way where it would help us
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substantiate some of the claims and and cooperate.
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For example, we know that the Urantia book talks about, you
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know, discovering in in some of the chapters where it talks
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about diseases and how human beings, because the Adamic
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default occurred, deprived us of, of full integration of, of
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some of the more potent disease fighting elements For the
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Urantia book readers, you know what I'm talking about.
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Does the Urantia book can you Can you cross reference and and
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and perhaps corroborate current scientific data with information
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presented in the Urantia book? Absolutely.
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I mean, that's one of the great features of using AI is it is
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able to do those kind of things that would take you and I weeks
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or months to to put together. It can put together those sort
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of things, you know, within seconds.
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And it has that broad reach. And it can take you, you know,
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even if you have an inquiry like that, it can even take you
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beyond that into related topics and subjects that will expand on
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the question that you asked it, you know, with some kind of
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scientific thing or whatever. But but yes, it can.
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It can be used to correlate that stuff from science to religion.
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Yeah. Including cross referencing
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biblical passages too. Oh, sure.
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Yeah, I haven't used it for that.
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Normally what I do when, when I've got something like that,
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where I want to see what the Bible says about, you know, kind
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of compare the ranch book to the Bible and vice versa, is I like
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to use the parimony. Parimony was written by a fellow
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named Dwayne Fall. And what it does, it's a book, a
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physical book that takes quotes from the Urantia book and then
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in a parallel column puts the corresponding Bible verse with
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it. So you can search from something
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from the Urantia book to the Bible.
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And then another part of the book, you can search for a verse
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from the Bible and see what the Urantia book has to say about
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it. Fortunately, somebody has taken
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that and I'm sure they spend a lot of time putting that on
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urantiabook.org and their resources tab.
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I think it is. But you know, that's an
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interesting question that I haven't tried, but I'll have to
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do that though. But I think it would do that.
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Well, I'm going to try it and I'm I'm sure that people
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listening to this podcast will probably try it too.
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And again, that's the it's called Urantia book tutor.com,
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urantiabooktutor.com. And then all the other things
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that you talked about too. We'll give sort of a rundown of
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some of those websites towards the end of this discussion I'm
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having with of course, Rick Lyon.
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And Rick, let's get to the Bill Sadler or William Sadler in
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addressing some of the criticisms that that early
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readers about the book and I know you're familiar with.
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Have you did you ever meet William Sadler or did you get AI
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guess? I did not.
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He had passed away by the time you knew about, but certainly
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you've met other people that knew him.
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Oh, does anybody what's, what do they say that he was like, what
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kind of I I heard he's a kindly gentleman.
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From, from what I've heard, he's a very kind gentleman, very
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intellectual, very intelligent person.
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And of course, his son, Bill Sadler Junior was extremely
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intelligent and, you know, he wrote the study of the Master
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Universe and which is a fascinating book in itself.
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And but yeah, Doctor Sadler is very highly regarded within the
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ranch community and well thought of.
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And obviously it was a a very curious mind.
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And I think that's so there was a reason why they chose him to,
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you know, lead this revelation back in, you know, the 1920s and
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30s and and all that into the 60s.
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So, but unfortunately I didn't know him personally, but I've,
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you know, met people who who had known him so.
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Yeah, and a lot of people don't know that during the 20s he was
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very influential in modern medicine and, and, and in modern
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psychiatry. And I believe he studied a
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little bit with Carl Jung at one point, perhaps.
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I'm not sure how I feel about Carl Jung or any of that, but it
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just goes to show you the stature of this man.
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Many people actually accuse him of creating and concocting this,
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you know, this book. And in fact, I think the the the
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harshest. Was from the great Mystery Cult
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book who I heard it hadn't even hadn't even read the Urantia
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book. You know, I think if anybody,
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anybody who actually has read, like there's anybody who
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actually has read the Urantia book knows that it cannot
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possibly be of human origin. You have to remember that this
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book is almost 100 years old. This is, this is one of my
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perspectives, I'll put it that way.
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This book is almost 100 years old.
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And so if you look at the just the language that is in the
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Uranti book and then you compare it to the language in the
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writings of that period, it's obviously much more advanced.
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And people didn't talk like that back in that day.
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They didn't write like that back in that day.
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And then, you know, to come up with all the different concepts
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and unique concept like you're talking about.
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I think you've got the 64 unique concepts from the Uranti book.
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If you look at just those, I don't see how they could imagine
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anyone human being in 10 lifetimes coming up with all
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that stuff, let alone, you know, in one lifetime.
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So I think the book itself proves that it's not was never
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written by Doctor Sadler or or anyone else for that matter.
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It's a by the. Way.
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Was the gentleman who wrote that?
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Oh, yeah. And it's unfortunate because
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many people when they first hear about the Urantia book, they do
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what a lot of people do when they hear something.
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They'll go on and and do a Google search.
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And then what comes up is one of the first things that pops up is
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this Martin Gardner book, which really attempts to discredit,
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discredit the Urantia book. Yeah.
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Well, I think that's why, I think that's why we've why the
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revelators never, why they never really wanted someone tied to
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the book itself, because we tend to Revere the author, I think,
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and we often tend to judge things by the author.
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So if there was a human attached to as the authorship with the
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Ranchi book, we would tend to judge the book by the author
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rather than judging the book for itself.
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And you know, you see that in in the world nowadays.
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You see, you know, I don't watch this movie because this actor,
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you know, was in there and I don't care for that actor.
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So I'm judging that movie. You know, it might be a great
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movie by the actor that was in it.
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Or even politics today. And politics is even worse.
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You know, I don't like your politics, therefore I don't like
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you type thing. Unfortunately, there's way too
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much of that in the world. But I think that's why that they
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didn't want some human tide to the book as far as like
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authorship and that sort of thing.
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You were kind of addressing some of the criticisms indirectly,
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but one of the chief criticisms I think probably comes from
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Christians is that it seems to contradict Scripture.
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But I, I have not found that to be be true at all.
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I I've actually found that it enhances some of the the more
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rudimentary stories. And for example, the story of
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Abraham is much more fully revealed in the Urantia book
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when it talks about his relationship with the sage of
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Salem, who is actually mentioned in the Bible numerous times.
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Melchizedek. Where is in this in the Urantia
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book it, it goes full board on the influence.
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Not only did that meant Melchizedek have on our planet,
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but also the other that are part of his team and and and it's a
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revelation to be told that they actually still play a big role
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in our development. It's just it's just an amazing
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book. Could be, I say I should say
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it's an amazing collection of teachings that are just so
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they're life changing. You know, this is a book that
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you're, it's not like a normal book that you're going to read
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once and lay it down and say, well, I've read that.
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That was a great book. This is going to be a book that
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you study for your entire life. You know, life is a struggle.
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Life is hard. And you know, but that's there's
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a purpose for that. You know, you read about the
24:14
inevitabilities. And if you read the
24:16
inevitabilities, it answers the question of why do bad things
24:19
happen to good people? You know, and you know, recently
24:22
I heard somebody say that your answer book was a love letter
24:25
from God. And I thought that was really
24:27
beautiful. But for me, the arrange book,
24:31
you know, how many times have we all said, you know, I wish God
24:33
had given me an owner's manual or instruction manual with for
24:36
life and that sort of thing. But I really think he has, you
24:40
know, yeah, it's not going. It helps us.
24:43
It may not help us solve our mortal problems, our earthly
24:46
problems, but it does help us deal with those problems.
24:50
And you know, it's all about how we react to problems.
24:54
It's really important and, and how we react and, and deal with
24:59
other people. So I like to think that your
25:02
range book is that instruction manual or that handbook for life
25:08
because it, you know, it's like, OK, sure, you got problems in
25:11
this border life, but this border life is just a blink of
25:14
the eye and it's the kindergarten training ground for
25:17
what's to come and what's to come.
25:20
Don't worry, because what's to come is so beautiful and so
25:24
meaningful and so important and so full of adventure and
25:29
education and excitement. Don't worry about what's
25:32
happening in this life. It's like Jesus said, what does
25:35
it matter if the whole world crumbles?
25:38
You know, we don't need to worry about that.
25:40
Yeah, we have to deal with it. We have to solve our moral
25:42
problems. We have to pay the bills and
25:44
take care of problems. But your Auntie Book assures us
25:48
that, you know, we are going to get through this and greater
25:52
things are waiting for us. I think that for me, you know, a
25:58
lot of people, that's usually the first thing a lot of people
26:00
ask, well, who wrote it? Where'd it come from?
26:03
And, you know, if you say, well, it came from celestial beings, I
26:06
kind of look at you kind of weird.
26:08
But for me, it's like a beautiful Symphony, let's say.
26:14
I don't really care about how it how the composer came to put all
26:20
that together, but I enjoy the Symphony.
26:23
So it's not really, I don't really care where that Symphony
26:27
came from or how it was created or that sort of thing.
26:31
But I enjoy the Symphony and I think that's true for me.
26:35
With your Angie book, you read it and it doesn't really matter
26:40
where it came from, honestly. You read it and does it feel
26:45
like it's the truth to you? Does it feel like truth, yes or
26:48
no? If it does, then fine, just
26:51
accept it. And yeah, you know, each of the
26:54
papers has its authorship at the back.
26:56
It tells of the celestial being that was the the author of that
27:00
paper. And I enjoy that.
27:02
I know many people do, especially, you know, longer you
27:05
study this book, the more meaningful that authorship
27:09
becomes. But I don't really think that's,
27:12
you know, that's, that should affect our understanding or
27:17
faith in the book itself or in the teachings, I should say.
27:23
I remember 1 fellow that I talked to was he was
27:27
disappointed that the Urantia book didn't talk about UF OS and
27:32
aliens and that sort of thing. And after I explained to him
27:36
that, well, it talks about celestial beings and, you know,
27:41
it talks about life on other planets, and we talked about
27:43
that in in depth. And finally he came to realize
27:46
that, you know, maybe it's not talking about spaceships from
27:49
Mars, but what it is talking about is something far greater
27:53
than the UFO's that he imagined. And so that really helped him a
27:58
bunch. And another thing I'll tell you
28:01
is that my wife, Susan, she's part of the PERT program, the
28:07
Prison Inquiry Response Team. And so we send your auntie books
28:11
to people in in prison and we get some of the most beautiful
28:16
letters from inmates of how the rancher book has changed their
28:22
life. They're even having study groups
28:24
in prisons and things like that. So the book makes a difference
28:29
with individuals like that. And we didn't see like pastors
28:34
and prisons are ordering books to put in the libraries and
28:36
things like that. But I will, I'll share one
28:39
experience with you that we had. This was more with the I will
28:45
ask Jesus chat bot that we, that was our first AI project that we
28:49
in 2023, we were at, we had a booth at the Parliament of World
28:52
Religions in Chicago for the Center for Unity.
28:56
And we set up a computer there and let people test the
29:01
discoverjesus.com. And the other one was our Ask
29:04
Jesus chat bot. And so this lady came forward
29:09
and she's standing in front of me and she has a young child
29:13
with her teenage type child. And the child was obviously
29:19
distressed, wouldn't look at you, excuse me, wouldn't make
29:24
eye contact or or even look up. And so finally I said to this
29:29
child that, you know, I bet you're interested in artificial
29:32
intelligence. And then they kind of perked up
29:35
and said, we have, I said, we'll come over and try ours.
29:38
So they came over and sat down and got the keyboard and they
29:43
typed in who am I? And I said, well, I don't think
29:46
it'll answer that kind of a question.
29:48
They won't answer something that specific.
29:49
But you know, let's just see what it says.
29:52
So it came up with this. You are a child of God.
29:56
You are loved and valued by the creator of the universe.
30:00
You are part of a the family of God and the brotherhood of man.
30:04
And it was the most beautiful, profound answer.
30:08
And that child got up and said that was awesome.
30:12
So they walked away and came back, I don't know, 5 minutes
30:16
later and now this child is standing right in front of me,
30:19
looking me in the eye and saying, can you tell me how to
30:22
follow Jesus? Because I've just heard.
30:24
How can you tell me how to become a Christian?
30:26
Because I've decided I want to follow Jesus.
30:29
And that right there is a demonstration of what we can
30:33
accomplish when we use technology to take these
30:37
teachings to individuals like that that would never have read
30:40
the book otherwise. So those are just a great story.
30:43
I've been blessed to be part of, of UA.
30:47
I, I was, you know, when I was a vice president of the Overton
30:51
Society. And I've been blessed to be part
30:53
of many different projects and, and organizations with this
30:58
revelation. It's just I'm, I'm truly a
31:01
blessed person to be part of all of it for sure.
31:05
The Urantia book does give us a lot of advice on how to fix
31:09
things in our world today, especially in part three of the
31:13
book where it talks about the different types of government
31:16
and the optimal government and, and, and even its exposition of
31:20
life on another planet that's very similar to our own.
31:24
You know, you would think that this could be very valuable
31:26
information for our leaders. Have you seen or are you aware
31:32
of you don't have to name names or anything, but do you feel
31:35
confident that there are enough smart people maybe in tech or
31:39
maybe in, in in roles of government?
31:42
Oh, I think so. I think, you know, the ranch of
31:46
people in the ranch community and you know, several I know
31:48
have made a certainly made a great effort to get the
31:52
teachings to people in power positions.
31:55
You know, from what I've seen, I suspect that the Pope has
31:59
probably 300 copies of the Uranti book that he's received
32:02
from Uranti book students through the years.
32:04
But you know, the the current Pope is familiar with the Uranti
32:09
book. And if you look at some of the
32:11
daily things he put out, you know, on an app that they had,
32:14
you can see almost direct quotes from the Uranti book there.
32:19
And there's a story about how, you know, it was on the desk of
32:23
Bill Clinton and things like that.
32:24
But you know, and I know I've sent sections of the book to
32:29
different scientists. I'll read something on the
32:31
Internet about this scientific discovery or somebody's looking
32:33
into it, this kind of research, and I'll actually, you know,
32:36
copy and paste something out of your answer book and send it to
32:39
them. So I think that's, you know,
32:41
that's part of the, you know, outreach or the dissemination of
32:45
these teachings as to do that kind of thing and get it into
32:48
people's hands that are in the in the position to have
32:53
influence over government. And, you know, once they read
32:57
stuff like that, it's like my wife Susan often says, you know,
33:00
once they see it, they can't Unsee it.
33:02
So if we can get these teachings and things like that, especially
33:07
with, you know, the celestial government and that all that
33:11
into the hands of a real government people, it can only
33:16
be good. And we'll continue our
33:20
discussion with Rick Lyon talking about the Rancho book
33:23
and the future coming up here on the Rancho Radio podcast.