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Trump Agents Handcuff U.S. Senator · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Dan is on vacation, but today I am thrilled to
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  Speaker 1: have with me the host of MSNBC's Deadline White House,
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  Speaker 1: the one and only Nicole Wallace. Nicole, great to have
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  Speaker 1: you on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Such an honor. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: And welcome to the world of podcasting. I understand you
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  Speaker 1: just launched your very own series called The Best People.
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  Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about the project?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I thought The Best People was Trump's best inside
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  Speaker 3: joke with his voters in 2015 and 16. I thought
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  Speaker 3: it was like the bridge between I know what you
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  Speaker 3: see is not necessarily reassuring. I thought when he promised
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  Speaker 3: to bring the best people to the White House that
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  Speaker 3: it was one of the most clever things he did
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  Speaker 3: to bridge the gap between the guy you know from
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  Speaker 3: Apprentice and the commander-in-chief. I don't think he's that guy anymore.
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  Speaker 3: I think that was like a brand from yesteryear when
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  Speaker 3: he was a little bit in on the joke. And
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  Speaker 3: when he nominated Matt Gaetz to be AG, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, well, we're done with the best people chapter.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to take that and reappropriate that. And
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  Speaker 3: so I thought it was a good umbrella under which
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  Speaker 3: to put the actual best people and share them.
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  Speaker 1: That's great. And it's not just political types, too. You
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  Speaker 1: have Jason Bateman and some other interesting people on there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, everyone, though, is so captivated by this moment.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Jason Bateman says, you know, I can't look away.
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  Speaker 3: And Doc Rivers is the episode that drops on Monday,
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  Speaker 3: the last week of the playoffs. And I talked to
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  Speaker 3: him about this moment. And, you know, he lives in
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  Speaker 3: a swing state and has a lot of thoughts about
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  Speaker 3: the way the campaign was waged. So people come from
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  Speaker 3: all different walks of life, but everyone is pretty keyed
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  Speaker 3: in on this moment in our politics.
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  Speaker 1: Well- Congrats on the pod and everyone should go find
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  Speaker 1: it and take a listen. Thank you. We had a
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  Speaker 1: lot to cover today, including the latest with Trump's massively
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  Speaker 1: unpopular budget bill, his on again, off again bromance with
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  Speaker 1: Elon Musk and RFK Jr. putting some of the Internet's
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  Speaker 1: worst anti-vax cranks in charge of America's vaccines. And later,
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  Speaker 1: you'll all hear Lovett's conversation with New York mayoral candidate
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  Speaker 1: Zoran Mamdani, whose late surge in the polls is making
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  Speaker 1: it a Tight race with Andrew Cuomo. But let's start
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  Speaker 1: with the military occupation of Los Angeles, where there are
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  Speaker 1: now more U.S. troops deployed than in Iraq and Syria combined, 4,800
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  Speaker 1: federalized guard and Marines altogether. Trump claims he's militarized the
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  Speaker 1: streets of L.A. to help local law enforcement deal with
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  Speaker 1: immigration protests. But the police have been pretty clear that
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  Speaker 1: they don't need the help. LAPD Chief Jim McDonald told
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  Speaker 1: CNN on Wednesday night that, quote, we're nowhere near a
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  Speaker 1: level where we'd be reaching out to the National Guard.
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  Speaker 1: And since Mayor Karen Bass has put in place a
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  Speaker 1: curfew for downtown LA earlier in the week, the protests
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  Speaker 1: have died down and cops have arrested dozens of the
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  Speaker 1: more violent protesters without any help from the troops. So
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  Speaker 1: what are the 4,800 troops doing? Well, they are now
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  Speaker 1: accompanying masked federal agents as they conduct massive raids in
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  Speaker 1: our neighborhoods, workplaces, outside schools, even churches, rounding up people
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  Speaker 1: who they merely suspect of not having proper documentation. Homeland
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  Speaker 1: Security Secretary Kristi Noem came to LA on Thursday and
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  Speaker 1: held a press conference where she promised more raids and
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  Speaker 1: attacked California's elected officials. But when one of those officials, U.S.
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  Speaker 1: Senator Alex Padilla, showed up at the press conference to
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  Speaker 1: ask her a question, this is what happened.
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  Speaker 4: We are staying here to liberate this city from the
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  Speaker 4: socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that
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  Speaker 4: this mayor have placed on this country and what they
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  Speaker 4: have tried to insert into this city.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Senator Alex Padilla.
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  Speaker 5: I have a question for the secretary because the fact
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  Speaker 5: of the matter is a half a dozen violent criminals
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  Speaker 5: that you're rotating on your heads off.
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  Speaker 6: On the ground.
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  Speaker 7: On the ground.
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  Speaker 1: Hands behind your back.
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  Speaker 7: Hands behind your back.
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  Speaker 8: Lay flat.
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  Speaker 9: Lay flat. Other hand, sir.
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  Speaker 8: Other hand.
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  Speaker 9: If this is how the Department of Homeland Security responds
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  Speaker 9: to a senator with a question, you can only imagine
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  Speaker 9: what they're doing to farm workers, to cooks, to day
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  Speaker 9: laborers out in the Los Angeles community and throughout California
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  Speaker 9: and throughout the country.
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  Speaker 1: Outrageous, shocking, infuriating. Nicole, maybe we can start with your
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  Speaker 1: reaction to federal agents handcuffing a U.S. senator who asked
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  Speaker 1: a question at a press conference?
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  Speaker 3: This was one of the bleakest days of anchoring that
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  Speaker 3: I've ever had in the job. I mean, we, I think,
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  Speaker 3: were prepared, you know, on the losing side of the
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  Speaker 3: November contest for Trump to do things that we warned
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  Speaker 3: he would do in his embrace of autocracy and Orban
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  Speaker 3: and Putin and others. But as your former colleague Ben
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  Speaker 3: Rhodes said on my show today, I mean, Orban hasn't
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  Speaker 3: done this. This is, you know, he's to the autocratic,
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  Speaker 3: you know, right of Orban. And to be doing what
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  Speaker 3: they're doing in full view of the cameras really does
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  Speaker 3: make the mind expand in new directions in terms of
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  Speaker 3: wondering what they're doing to people who don't have, you know,
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  Speaker 3: who aren't one of a body of 100 and where
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  Speaker 3: there aren't cameras rolling. I think it's a chilling moment
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  Speaker 3: both in the treatment of someone from the other political party.
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  Speaker 3: But I think it's also a really ominous sign of
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  Speaker 3: what they're willing to use DHS. And those were FBI
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  Speaker 3: agents who had the senator on the ground. Dan Bongino
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  Speaker 3: confirmed that in a statement. It's a real, what the
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  Speaker 3: fuck are we doing moment, I think, for the whole country.
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  Speaker 1: I also think it is, what's especially frightening to me
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  Speaker 1: is that it goes, it's gone so far beyond Trump now.
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was thinking about this when you were
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  Speaker 1: talking about him talking about the best people. And I
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  Speaker 1: think in the first term, I was most worried about
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  Speaker 1: Trump and then, you know, held out some hope that
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  Speaker 1: some of the more traditional Republicans that he had in
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  Speaker 1: the administration would maybe pull him back from some of
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  Speaker 1: his worst impulses, worst instincts. And this time around, I'm
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  Speaker 1: almost more worried about some of the people he's put
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  Speaker 1: in positions of power. And clearly they feel that they
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  Speaker 1: can do these things without impunity. Like you don't have
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  Speaker 1: FBI agents or masked federal ICE officers or Kristi Noem
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  Speaker 1: cabinet secretaries doing this kind of stuff unless they thought
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  Speaker 1: that A, Trump wanted it and B, if they go
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  Speaker 1: too far, they don't have to worry because he's got
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  Speaker 1: the pardon power.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And he took all this out for a run the
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  Speaker 3: first term, right? Like he In meetings, it would always
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  Speaker 3: leak out that I remember where I was sitting when
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  Speaker 3: the Times story broke that he wanted to pardon immigration
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  Speaker 3: officials if they broke any laws by being brutal to
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  Speaker 3: people entering the country illegally. But what is so different
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  Speaker 3: is John Kelly was the first DHS secretary. Jim Mattis
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  Speaker 3: was the first defense secretary. Mark Milley was the chairman
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  Speaker 3: of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. None of them were
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  Speaker 3: for that, which was... illegal. None of those men were
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  Speaker 3: for troops roaming the streets. I mean, Kelly breaks his
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  Speaker 3: silence politically and warns about this moment. And to see
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  Speaker 3: it all come to pass in less than five months
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  Speaker 3: is really scary.
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  Speaker 1: The incident itself... was shocking. What really has bothered me,
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  Speaker 1: maybe even more, is just the reaction from the administration
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  Speaker 1: and Republicans. You can see a scenario where the administration
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  Speaker 1: comes out and says, DHS, others, you know what? I
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  Speaker 1: know he identified himself. We really didn't know who he was.
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  Speaker 1: The agents were trying to protect her. They thought there
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  Speaker 1: was going to be threats, but obviously it went too
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  Speaker 1: far and we hope we can move on, right? But instead,
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  Speaker 1: DHS lies and about what actually happened, which is wild
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  Speaker 1: to lie when there's a video that we're all seeing.
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  Speaker 1: And then Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House, calls for
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  Speaker 1: Padilla to be censured. And basically, they're all doubling down,
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  Speaker 1: all the Republicans. I guess Lisa Murkowski expressed outrage about this.
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  Speaker 1: But right-wing media, everyone on Fox, the administration, they're all
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  Speaker 1: just They're 100% behind it. And not only are they
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  Speaker 1: behind it, they maybe want to punish him. It's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what's amazing is you don't always get to see
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  Speaker 3: the anatomy of the lie. And I bemoan the disinformation
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  Speaker 3: all the time. But it was amazing to watch it.
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  Speaker 3: It all kind of unfolded while I was on the air.
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  Speaker 3: So the video explodes. But then Noam goes on Fox
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  Speaker 3: in the 3 o'clock hour, I think with Martha McCallum.
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  Speaker 3: I might have that wrong, but I think that was
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  Speaker 3: the anchor.
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  Speaker 1: She was, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And says to the anchor... You know, he didn't identify himself.
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  Speaker 3: The tape is literally like everywhere on right and left
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  Speaker 3: wing sort of accounts on social media. The anchor doesn't
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  Speaker 3: correct her. And Fox, you know, for better or for worse,
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  Speaker 3: is millions of people watching at any given time. So
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  Speaker 3: the lie is out there in the three o'clock hour.
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  Speaker 3: Before this incident is two hours old, a lie has
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  Speaker 3: been told on Fox News that isn't corrected. He didn't
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  Speaker 3: identify himself. It's the first thing he says, you know,
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  Speaker 3: while he's still in the room.
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  Speaker 1: You've been covering what's been happening here in LA all
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  Speaker 1: week and watching it unfold. What's your general reaction to
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  Speaker 1: what's been going on here?
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  Speaker 3: I think that this was reverse engineered. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: think that Trump's views about California, Trump's sort of whatever
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  Speaker 3: he regrets not getting to do because Millie and Esper
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  Speaker 3: got in the way, has all just burst out into
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  Speaker 3: full view. And I think that the polling on immigration
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  Speaker 3: is really clear. 87% support deporting adjudicated violent criminals, and
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  Speaker 3: 9% support deporting people working, people married to a married...
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  Speaker 3: It's not like a normal question about policy. It's like
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  Speaker 3: everyone supports one thing, no one supports the other. And
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  Speaker 3: they're doing the thing that like less than 20% of
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  Speaker 3: Americans support, which is a lot of MAGA voters that
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  Speaker 3: don't support deporting people who are longstanding members of a
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  Speaker 3: community or have a job or have kids or are
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  Speaker 3: married to citizens. That's who they're targeting. So I think
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  Speaker 3: that what's happening in LA is a trauma for the community,
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  Speaker 3: for the state. I'm from California and it's traumatic to watch,
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  Speaker 3: but I also think it's reverse engineered to achieve all
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  Speaker 3: of these goals. aims that Trump had in the first term,
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  Speaker 3: but wasn't allowed to do because there were people like
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  Speaker 3: Milley and Esper and others in the way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you raised the immigration part of this because, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I saw a headline in Politico this morning, the front
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  Speaker 1: page of Politico on the website that sort of drove
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  Speaker 1: me nuts, but it also sort of sums up certain
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  Speaker 1: conventional wisdom right now, which is Dems work to turn
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  Speaker 1: LA debate from immigration to Trump's executive powers. because it's
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  Speaker 1: a winner for him on the immigration front. And I just,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I get that when you
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  Speaker 1: ask people in general, should we deport people who are
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  Speaker 1: here illegally? And you just ask it that way, you get,
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  Speaker 1: you know, majority support, not too high, but like, as
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  Speaker 1: you said, it's 20 or sub 20% approval for deporting
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  Speaker 1: people who've lived here for many years without committing a crime.
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  Speaker 1: Deporting people who came here as children, deporting people who
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  Speaker 1: are married to U.S. citizen, deporting people with U.S. citizen children.
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  Speaker 1: This is just from a YouGov poll this week, but
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  Speaker 1: Pew polls, any poll you name.
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  Speaker 3: Pew poll, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And Trump's approval on immigration has fallen like six points.
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  Speaker 1: The average approval on all the different polls just this week.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Trump beats the Democrats on immigration when he's
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  Speaker 3: giving rallies showing footage of violent crimes carried out by immigrants. Trump,
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  Speaker 3: even in his first term, loses majority support on immigration
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  Speaker 3: when he starts deporting people who aren't the people that
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  Speaker 3: he fearmongered about. And the truth is, the people that
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  Speaker 3: he's targeting, I mean, I think even Trump reversed himself
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  Speaker 3: on the raids that ICE carried out Tuesday in the
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  Speaker 3: agricultural heartland of California. I think up and down the
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  Speaker 3: Central Valley, they were raiding farmlands. And I think Trump
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  Speaker 3: sent out some bizarre all-cap tweet today about our great farmers.
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  Speaker 3: They can't lose their workers. They've been here a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Find other people.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about that because, yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: he posts this post on Truth Social and then he
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  Speaker 1: gets asked about it at his event today. And here's
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  Speaker 1: what he said.
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  Speaker 2: What made you change your mind about targeting in California
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  Speaker 2: farmers and.
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  Speaker 9: People in the hotels and leisure business?
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  Speaker 8: Well, we're not targeting. In fact, if you look today,
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  Speaker 8: I put out a statement today about farmers and Our
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  Speaker 8: farmers are being hurt badly by— you know, they.
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  Speaker 10: Have very good workers.
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  Speaker 8: They've worked for them for 20 years. They're not citizens,
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  Speaker 8: but they've turned out to be, you know, great. And
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  Speaker 8: we're going to have to do something about that. We
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  Speaker 8: can't take farmers and take all their people and send
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  Speaker 8: them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed
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  Speaker 8: to have, maybe not. And you know what's going to
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  Speaker 8: happen and what is happening? They get rid of some
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  Speaker 8: of the people because, you know, you go into a
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  Speaker 8: farm and you look and People don't— they've been there
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  Speaker 8: for 20, 25 years, and they've worked great, and the
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  Speaker 8: owner of the farm loves them and everything else, and
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  Speaker 8: then you're supposed to throw them out. And you know
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  Speaker 8: what happens? They end up hiring the people, the criminals
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  Speaker 8: that have come in, the murderers from prisons and everything else.
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  Speaker 8: So we're going to have an order on that pretty soon,
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  Speaker 8: I think.
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  Speaker 1: Did he just come out for comprehensive immigration reform?
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  Speaker 10: Like what?
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  Speaker 1: It's so weird. What do you make of that? Is
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  Speaker 1: he for real? Does he not know what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Is he just bullshitting us?
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  Speaker 3: I think this is like with the Wall Street riots.
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  Speaker 3: folks called whatever taco. I mean, I think this is
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  Speaker 3: like a bad good thing about Trump, right? Or a
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  Speaker 3: good bad thing. I mean, when a human face, or
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  Speaker 3: I guess in Trump's view, function is put on the
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  Speaker 3: person who may or may not, what did he say,
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  Speaker 3: have all the right things. And like the leisure, I
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  Speaker 3: want to work in leisure in my next career. But when,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it proves the point about the polling.
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  Speaker 3: That even Donald Trump, when The illegal immigrant is humanized,
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  Speaker 3: and he's told that they're the people who put, you know,
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  Speaker 3: food on our tables, who, you know, we've seen pictures
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  Speaker 3: of him right at the omelet bar at Mar-a-Lago. Like,
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  Speaker 3: they're the people that make it possible to feed our
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  Speaker 3: families and stock our grocery stores. And a lot of
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  Speaker 3: them have been here a really long time, and they're
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  Speaker 3: the lifeblood of the agricultural industry. And Trump's like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: let me get to the left of anyone on MSNBC.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not for sending those people back. And it just
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  Speaker 3: shows that the issue has been so cynically politicized and weaponized, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 3: effectively on the right. But it doesn't take much to
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  Speaker 3: convert Trump. It doesn't take much to change Trump's mind
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  Speaker 3: about not deporting people here, maybe illegally, but who have jobs.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, and for a while now, going back years,
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  Speaker 1: he's been for doing something to protect Dreamers and then
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  Speaker 1: not for it or just forgotten about it or doesn't try.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: You know, briefly during the campaign in 2024, he went
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: on the All In podcast and he talked to them
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: about stapling the green card to the diploma for, you know,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: international students who were here. So he has had that
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: softer side before or at least expressed it. But it
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: makes me... What worries me about this is that Stephen
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Miller is really running the show here. And I think
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump trusts Stephen Miller implicitly. And so he thinks,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: according to Stephen Miller, that all the people that they're
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: deporting are these violent, terrible criminals. Meanwhile, Stephen Miller, he
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: just told Jake Tapper back in January, I'm sure it's
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: not your position, Jake, that we should supply America's food
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: with exploitative, illegal, alien labor. He wants to deport everyone
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: and he's open about it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 10: And....
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Sure enough, after Trump made the comment and posted that
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: on Truth Social, hours later, he has another post on
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Truth Social that says, this tsunami of illegals has destroyed Americans,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: public schools, hospitals, parks, community resources, and living conditions. They
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: have stolen American jobs and turned once idyllic communities into
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: third world nightmares. So I guess Miller got control of
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: the account back, and I saw him retweeting that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Well, the thing that we know now, right, it's like year,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: it feels like year 37, but it's year nine, year
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: nine of the Trump story, is that he doesn't tweet
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: about things that he feels good about. He tweets about
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: things he feels insecure about. So someone got to him
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: and he felt insecure or apologetic about the raids. I
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: between the raids on Tuesday in California's agricultural part of
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: the state, that's where they were, there's video, and Trump
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: posting that we're not going to target leisure and whatever
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: he said, hotels, leisure, food, are those raids. It does raise,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think you're getting to a scarier point,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: which is that it was very obvious where his information
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: came from in the first term, and troubling. But we
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: knew what he was watching. He watched Morning Joe in
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: the mornings. He watched inordinate amounts of Fox and Friends.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: And he seemed to stick to the Fox primetime lineup
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: at night. He doesn't seem to be taking in as
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: much news. And he was obsessed with The Washington Post
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: and The New York Times. And it was never really
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: the sense that I had that he was reading them,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: but he was watching the cable coverage of their print stories.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: It's not clear that he's taking in news this time.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: And so it feels like the things that Stephen Miller
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: says to him have more sway just based on what's
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: publicly facing, which are his contradictory and swerving tweets. He
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: also just lost... Elon, who seemed to, if nothing else,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: take up a lot of his bandwidth and time. So
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: it's possible that he's spending more time with Stephen Miller.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: And these things shouldn't matter to a normal country when
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: the president's normal. But because he's doing such extraordinary things
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: while he holds all the levers of power, it's really
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: important to try to figure out what his sources of
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: information are.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good point because I do
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: think it's mostly Miller. It reminds me of uh, the
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Supreme court case around, uh, Venezuela when every single justice,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: you know, even if they disagreed on certain things were
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: basically said, yeah, everyone deserves due process. And then Stephen
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Miller's like, Oh no, we won unanimously the other way.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: And Trump was like, yeah, that Stephen told me that
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: we won, won the case the other way. So I
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: do think he's just getting a bunch of bullshit from,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: from Miller on this, which is quite scary because he
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: has a lot of power, uh, Stephen Miller on the,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: in this administration. Um, One Democrat who doesn't seem concerned
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: about the politics of all this is Gavin Newsom, who
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: is suing the Trump administration over the troop deployment. A
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: federal judge heard arguments in that case this afternoon, said
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: he would have a ruling shortly. Newsom also went pretty
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: hard at Trump in a speech he gave this week.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I think we have a clip of that.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: California may be first, but it clearly will not end here.
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: Other states are next. Democracy is next. Democracy is under
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: assault before our eyes. This moment we have feared has arrived.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: What Donald Trump wants most is your fealty, your silence
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: to be complicit in this moment. Do not give in
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: to him.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: What do you make of Newsom's response this week and
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: in this moment?
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: I think he's been great. I mean, I don't think
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: that it's a California story anymore either. I mean, I
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: think I think that what happened to Padilla today, and
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: I think sending in the National Guard over his objections
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: makes this a national story, whether you think so or not.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: But I think it'll bear out. And I think everything
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: he said is spot on. They may be the first,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: but that might be the point, to try these things
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: here where Trump thinks support among his base is the
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: softest for the people living there. Um, in the biggest state,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I think the biggest donor state, right? California. Um, but I, I,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I thought that speech that addressed to the nation was
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: spot on.
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  Speaker 1: finally throwing himself the North Korean-style birthday party he's wanted
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  Speaker 1: for years. Military parade in D.C. that will cost taxpayers
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: $ 45 million. You probably saw the footage of the tanks
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: arriving in Washington. The army says 6,000 troops arrived. will
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: be participating in the parade, which was originally supposed to
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: be held in honor of the Army's 250th birthday until
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Trump hijacked the celebration for his 79th. The president also
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: did a pre-celebration of sorts earlier this week with a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: speech to US troops at Fort Bragg, which he used
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: to attack Joe Biden, Gavin Newsom, Karen Bass, Los Angeles,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: which he called a trash heap, the media. I think
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: what was most disturbing from that speech, though, is that
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the troops behind him laughed at his attacks, booed the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Democrats he called out by name. And according to Military.com,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the reason why is that apparently the audience was screened
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: for political allegiance to Trump and personal appearance. One unit
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: level message said, quote, no fat soldiers. Trump was later
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: asked about the long plan protests that will take place
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: across the country this weekend and said that he hadn't
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: heard about them. But, quote, if there's any protester that
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: wants to come out, they will be met with very
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: big force. Lovely. So DOD rules, you know, expressly prohibit
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: active duty personnel from participating in political events while in uniform. But,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: you know, basically no one in the military establishment, current
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: or former, is speaking out against what's happening. Why do
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you think almost no one, like even retired generals, like
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: why do you think we're not hearing from some of
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: these retired generals about this?
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Well, look, first of all, You and I both wrote
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: speeches for presidents that were delivered in front of troops.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: And you're cognizant that the applause lines don't have anything
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: to do with your president's policies.
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Because you don't want them to look like they have
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: to applaud a policymaker. So you craft the speeches. I mean,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you did this.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: All the time.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: You craft the speeches so that there's only an applause
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: when you're celebrating the men and women of the military.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: either their current courage or their historic greatness. I mean,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: it's a point to remind people that this is so
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: perverted from what's normal. I think it really scares a
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: lot of former military. I think the silence of the
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: generals is complicated for said silent generals. But I think
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: that there is a big question mark over what's gonna hold.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: And I think that we probably only see the tip
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: of the iceberg, right? Like that speech we can talk
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: about because it showed, but who else is being asked?
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Who else is being vetted? Who else is being staged?
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Who else is being pushed out of the picture for
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: being fat? I mean, what else is really happening there?
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: I actually find the military story in a lot of
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: ways one of the most frightening and difficult to cover.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Because as you said, even the former generals are afraid
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: to speak out or restrained from speaking out. But to
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: put Hegseth, who was opposed by Democrats and Republicans, in
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: charge of the military, and then to see the fruits
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: of that bet, to see this event at Fort Bragg,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: and to see the way they are gleefully and brazenly
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: using troops as pawns and the greatest victim of that
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: is the troops, is the military. And I think it's
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: actually shocking that the Republican senators are complicit. I mean,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: this is where you'd hope that someone like, I don't
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: even know, I feel stupid even suggesting this, but just
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Tom Cotton care, right? Where are the people who are
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: still willing to sort of put their body between brazen
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: partisanship and the military. In the Republican Party, there aren't any.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty scary to me too. I mean, Trump
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: giving a completely partisan, worse than partisan, just like, you know, dishonest,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: over-the-top speech like that at an official, you know, event
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: with military doesn't surprise me. It's awful, but it doesn't
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: really surprise me. But hearing some of the troops cheer
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and boo, You know it worries me, and I've been
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: thinking about this ever since the guard got here. It's
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: like we saying this, like we can't I can't believe
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: we're at this point, but we have to make sure
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: that we are not disparaging or attacking or pushing away
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: men and women in uniform as we resist Trump, because
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: we are getting to a point where we do not
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: want a country where we have a bunch of security
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: forces loyal to Donald Trump with this kind of government.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: And obviously, you know, we have a defense secretary and
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: whoever else he's put in senior leadership that is only
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: loyal to him. But once you get to the rank
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and file, once you get to sort of the officer class,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: like you really want to have people there who do
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: not feel like they have to choose between the country
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: and Donald Trump.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think the story, again, of nine years
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: of Trump is he makes everyone at one point or
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: another choose, right? Like Bill Barr got to wait until,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know, whatever, November of 2020 to choose. Comey
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: had to choose much earlier than that. He didn't make
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: it a month. Sessions didn't make it, I don't know,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: eight weeks. I mean, everyone chooses. Everyone, because Trump wants
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: for there to be no national interest, just personal interest.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Everybody has to choose. And I think the biggest difference
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: between the first term and the second term is it's
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: all out in the open.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: J.D.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Vance has chosen. He's out there saying that the judges
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: are rogue and they're wrong and they're hemming and hemming.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: He's the guy that called Trump America's Hitler, something no
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: one on MSNBC has ever said. The most nasty insult
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: ever levied at Donald Trump that I've ever heard is
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: a tie between J.D. Vance, who called him America's Hitler,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: and Mitch McConnell, who called him a, quote, despicable human being.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know any elected Democrat who said either of
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: those things about Trump. And now they are in service
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: of Trumpism, of Trump sort of collapsing U.S. national security
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: and a national interest and purpose with self-enrichment and loyalty
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: to self. And for those guys to go along with
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: that is the flashing red light.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: What do you make of the protests that have been
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: planned for this week long before anything that happened here
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: in L.A.? They're being called the No Kings protests. The organizers,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Leah Greenberg, who's one of the leaders of Indivisible, you know,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: she said she wants, we want to create contrast, not conflict. And,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you know, to that end, there won't be a protest
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: in D.C. where the parade is. It's going to be
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: all over the country. But what do you think of
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: these protests? Good idea? Are you a little, do you
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: have some concern over them?
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Look, I think that you know this, you can't manufacture what,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: you can manufacture what two people do, right? You can
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: hire them to be in an ad. You cannot manufacture
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: what thousands and thousands of Americans do. And so people
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: are feeling like this isn't who we are. The contrast
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: that Trump has chosen to make are not about Democrats
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: and liberals. They're about things that are, you look around
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: the world, these are not democratic practices. It is not
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: a democratic thing to ignore the Supreme Court. It is
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: not a democratic thing to arrest democratic elected officials. So
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I think it's organic. I think it's pent up. And
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: I asked Mikey Sherrill today, you know, are you going
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: to follow the lead of the most energetic parts of
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: the pro-democracy base of voters and democratic parties? And she
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: seemed I don't know. I don't know if she was insulted,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: but she said, well, we are, we are. But I
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: think it's a healthy thing that the American people have
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: decided the moment. They've decided at this point, what is it,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: five months, they're going to be out there. And they
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: have a lot of things to, I think, be persuasive about,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: that they're too far, that they're not the normal debates
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: between Democrats and Republicans, but they're un-American practices that they're opposing.
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: And my take on this is the more people we
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: have out there who are in the streets protesting peacefully,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the better it is for the pro-democracy movement. Because I
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: think when there isn't that, that in the void, you
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: get some of the more violent protesters that we saw
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: here in L.A. and they steal the spotlight along with
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the rights narrative about the protests. And the best way
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: to counter that is to have an organized, peaceful opposition
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: that is in such great numbers that it can't be ignored,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you know? And so I really hope that people get
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: out there for that, but also realize that, you know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a scary time, especially after
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: we saw what happened with Padilla, you know? But I
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: think it's important to get out there.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: For sure. And I mean, something Mark Elias always says
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: on my show is that He says, I'm not not scared.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: I just don't think it makes me safer to be quiet.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: And I think that's right. I mean, I feel that
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: way as a cable host. I'm not concerned that they're
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: not looking for anyone in the media to make a
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: mistake and then come after the media. I just don't
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: think you're in a safer posture in a defensive crouch.
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: a global recession. This week, he said his team is
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: close to finalizing a trade deal with China. though I'm
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: not sure anyone thinks a permanent 55 percent tax on
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the phones and toys and clothing and and sneakers we
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: buy from China counts as a good deal for Americans.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Trump's also still mad at his Fed chair, Jerome Powell.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: And he told reporters on Thursday that Powell is, quote,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: a numbskull and is threatening to, quote, force something on
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: the Fed because he wants interest rates lowered. And then
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: there's more bad news for Trump's budget bill, the one
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: that Elon Musk called a disgusting abomination. Republicans in Congress
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: are fighting over whether the bill should add more to
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the deficit or kick more people off their health care,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: which is pushing back their self-imposed July 4th deadline. The
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: bill also appears to be wildly unpopular, with 53 percent
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: of those surveyed for a recent Quinnipiac poll saying they
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: oppose it. Only 27 percent support it. The remainder had
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: not yet formed an opinion, which is important, too, because
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: this is a story that has not broken through all
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: that much with everything else that's happening. What do you
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: think are the prospects of this bill passing and what
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: it looks like in final form?
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: So I don't know why I have all these poll
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: numbers in my brain. 62% of all Democratic households have
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: someone who has been on or benefited from Medicaid, and
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: 62% of all Republican households have someone who has been
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: on Medicaid or someone in their house has. So there's
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: no partisan... distinction between who's benefiting. And I think of independents,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: it's actually 69%. So you're hurting the same number of people.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: And what is it? 16 million people will lose insurance.
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: I think this is tied to the Musk-Bannon war that
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Bannon lost and Musk won, at least the first round.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: These are the kinds of voters that I think Bannon,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: in his reptilian political survival sense, tried to I won't
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: say tried to help, but tried to prevent Trump from
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: hurting flagrantly. And I think it's a huge liability for Republicans. Now,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: I'm not for them walking off the cliff, even if
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: it's a huge political liability, because of all the people
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: that will suffer. But I just don't know if there
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: are any more pain points in the Republican political psyche.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to happen.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my it seems messy and it seems like
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: they're not going to get something done. But I think
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: for two reasons, they will ultimately one, because this is
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: a cliff and if they don't pass anything, taxes go
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: up on everyone. And so that is quite an incentive
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: to get something done, even if it's not what they
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: originally wanted to pass. And also, I just we have
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: not seen any Republicans of any significant number stand up
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: to Donald Trump and say no to him, whether they
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: are on the far right, whether they're moderate, whether they're,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: whoever they are. And so, you know, you could get
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: a few here and there, and obviously the margins are
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: small in both houses, but I don't know. I think
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: failure on this is something that Donald Trump is not
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: going to accept. And so I imagine he's going to, uh,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: put the screws to these people if it gets, if
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: it looks like it's getting messy.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: And I don't, I don't even know what the, what the,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm, the marketing isn't genuine, but I don't
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: even know what the slogan is for this, you know,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: do it and lose your seat and kill people. Cause
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, Joni Ernst is like the perfect encapsulation of
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: how they even know it sucks.
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: You know, her, her defense of the bill is like, well,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: we're all going to die. And she goes to a cemetery. Like,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, It's a real mask off moment for the
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: callousness and the lack of any sort of political strategy
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: in the Republican Party other than fealty to Trump. And
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: in some ways that openness about it is easier to cover,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: but it is a little scarier.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's the we're all going to die bill. That
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: really sums up the bill quite well, better than that
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: one big, beautiful bill. Speaking of Elon, he tried to
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: patch things up with Trump this week. In an early
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: morning apology tweet on Wednesday, he admitted he, quote, went
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: too far with his recent attacks on Trump, like when
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: he accused his former boss, who he spent a quarter
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: of a trillion dollars electing, of being involved in child
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: sex trafficking and then called for his impeachment. So the
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Olive Branch comes after a series of calls with J.D. Vance,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Susie Wiles, and reportedly Trump himself. How did the calls go? Well,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: here's Trump speaking about Elon at a press conference on Thursday.
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: But on my first day in office, I ended the
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: Green News scam. and abolished the EV mandate at the
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: federal level. We abolished it. Now we know why Elon
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: doesn't like me so much.
• 41:21
  Speaker 10: Which he does, actually.
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: He does. And he never had a problem. You know,
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: it's very interesting. This is not something new. And that's
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: what he said. He said, as long as I'm on
• 41:29
  Speaker 8: the same plane as everybody else, we're going to do good.
• 41:32
  Speaker 8: We make a better product. I said, that's very cool.
• 41:35
  Speaker 8: That was my answer. After that, he got a little
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: bit strange, but.
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: I don't know why, over much smaller things than that.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Sounds like they're best pals again. Do you think this
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: is the last we'll hear of the great Trump-Musk feud?
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Or do you think there's another chapter there?
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: Oh, no.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I think this is, I mean, this is like the
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: breakup story that you stop listening to because it's so
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: stupid and that they deserve each other. I mean, they
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: completely deserve each other. And it's one of those stories
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: that you get to the brink of finding comical because
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: they're both these ridiculous caricatures and characters, but they both
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: done so much damage, um, that you just, there's nobody
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: to root for. I keep calling them tarantulas in a bowl,
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: but that's starting to feel mean to tarantulas. Um, you know, I, it's,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: it's just, it, it's, it's sort of like the peak,
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: you know, Trump year one story, the on again, off again,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: romance with Trump and Musk. I mean, you can't make
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: it up.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's, uh, It seems like Elon probably needed
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: to back off more than Trump did, but, you know,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Trump's never one to not hold a grudge.
• 42:44
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Which is why even after he has a nice call
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: with them and everyone tries to patch things up, anytime
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: someone brings up Elon, you know now he's going to
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: do what he just did there, which is he's got
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: to get a few digs in.
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: And, like, I don't think he ever talked to Pence
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: after Pence simply certified in an election that in his
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: more cogent moments they both know he lost.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: So the idea that he's going to let Elon Musk
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: off the hook after accusing him of being in the
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Epstein files, I'm sorry, I'm skeptical that has anything to
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: do with anything other than the millions of dollars Musk
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: spent on his campaign. But, you know, I don't know.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Maybe there was something real between them.
• 43:19
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: One last thing before we go to break. RFK Jr.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: has been wreaking havoc on public health for several months now.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: We haven't had a chance to talk about it too
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: much on this show because there's been too many even
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: crazier headlines to discuss. But on Monday... Our anti-vax health
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: and human services secretary abruptly fired all 17 members of
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: the CDC's vaccine advisory panel, formerly known as the Advisory
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Committee on Immunization Practices, or ACIP. Just two days later,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: he named eight new appointees, many of whom became known
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: during the pandemic for questioning vaccine safety and effectiveness. Among
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: them are Robert Malone and Restef Levy, who've pushed wildly
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: discredited claims like the idea that COVID vaccines are dangerous
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: for people who've already had the virus. They've even called
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: for shutting down mRNA vaccine programs altogether. What do you
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: think this means for public health? Obviously nothing good, but
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: it's always hard to figure out, A, just how frightened
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: we should be about something like this and the moves
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: that RFK Jr. are making, and B, whether, you know,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: there are other institutionalists, experts, career officials in public health
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: that can sort of pull this back. But I'm not
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: sure right now. It's pretty scary.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: I think, I mean, I'm in the same boat you're in.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: I have not adequately or I have not done a
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: good job covering RFK.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Some of it is the things Trump is sort of
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: smashing in full view, democratic norms, rule of law, history
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: of apolitical DOJ. You know, these are stories that In
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: our old jobs, you can sort of grab and understand quickly.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: It takes longer. I'm not well-versed in all the science,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: but it takes a little bit longer to understand the
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: scale of the damage he's doing at HHS. But I
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: would venture to say that in terms of the numbers
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: of Americans, innocent Americans, regardless of their political affiliation, being harmed,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: RFK is probably threatening more Americans' health and wellness and
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: lives than anybody else in the administration right now. And
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: I feel like I've got to figure out how to
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: do a better job covering it. And I think for
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: all of the things that we're going to have to
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: just wait and see where we are in three and
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: a half years, I don't think childhood immunizations can wait.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: I've got a one and a half year old and
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: that first 18 month vaccine schedule, it's scientific, it's rigorous.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: And you don't have to take vaccines off the market.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: You just have to make people wonder, do I really
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: need that second shot? you just have to make them
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: doubt it. And then you've got a kid in critical
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: condition with measles.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, it's, it's, it is in a
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: lot of ways, the, the, the, the story I've done
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: the worst job covering. And in a lot of ways
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: it's probably the most important.
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: We have an 18 month old and we, you know,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: we reached out to our pediatrician and we were like,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: what should we do here? Should we move, you know,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: the MMR vaccine, should we move up the third shot?
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: And so it's, and, and we asked, I sort of
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: asked her later, like what, what's this been from your perspective?
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: And she was like, look, you know, we at our
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: practice here in Los Angeles, we make sure that everyone,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: all the kids are vaccinated, you know? She's like, but
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the challenge is not, this is not an issue where
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: you can say, well, the people who don't want to
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: get their kids vaccinated, too bad for them, you know,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: because you need certain herd immunity. And if you start
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: having communities where, you know, the number of vaccinated kids
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: goes under or people goes under a certain percentage, then
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: people are at risk of breakthrough infections for diseases that
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: we haven't had to deal with in forever. I do
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: think that one of the reasons it's, this is my
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: theory on this, untested, that one of the reasons we're
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: all having trouble talking about it and covering it is
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: we all still have a little bit of pandemic PTSD
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and no one wants to go back to the COVID
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: wars of 2020 and 2021. And I get that. It's
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: not a fun topic. But, you know, next time there's
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: an outbreak somewhere or we're going to need a vaccine
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: really quickly for some new disease, we're going to be
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: in real trouble. We're going to be in real trouble.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: And the first part of the population to suffer are
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: the most innocent, the people who've never voted for anyone,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: their babies. And so you can say a grown man
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: or woman has a choice now whether to vaccinate for
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: not just COVID, but the flu or whatever. A baby
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: is totally dependent, not just on their parents' choices, but
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: it would seem now their parents' information bubble.
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: And I think that's really scary.
• 47:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it is.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think there's any good news today.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I don't want to end on a high note, but
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: I really can't. Nicole, thank you so much for doing
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: this today. This was great. Everyone can catch you on
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  Speaker 1: MSNBC's Deadline White House. Your new podcast, The Best People,
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• 48:08
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• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
• 48:11
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• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'd love to have all of you guys on.
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  Speaker 10: Zoram, I'm Donnie. Welcome to the pod. Good to meet you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. It's great to
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  Speaker 2: meet you.
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: So you told The Times that your favorite mayor is
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: Fiorello LaGuardia. And I saw that and it actually, I'd already,
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: I don't know a lot about LaGuardia, so people can
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: correct me.
• 51:22
  Speaker 10: But when I saw your ad where you were.
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: Just, so we're speaking fluently and I'm not even, what
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: language were you speaking in that ad?
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Is it Hindustani?
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Hindustani, I think. You speak multiple languages.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: I speak Hindi. I can't really speak Spanish, which is
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: why that ad starts in the day and ends in
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: the night, because.
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: It took a lot of takes. Well, because I don't
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: even know if it's apocryphal, but that LaGuardia was half Jewish.
• 51:57
  Speaker 10: Half Italian.
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: He would speak Italian in the Italian neighborhoods, and he
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: would speak Yiddish in the Jewish neighborhoods. And I just, oh,
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: so that's intentional. Talk to me about basically what kind
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: of coalition you're trying to build right now and what
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: lessons you take from LaGuardia other than how to make
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: an airport go from being very, very shitty to slightly better.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: You know, I think about LaGuardia and his ability to
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: fight an anti-immigrant animus at the same time as transforming
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: what was possible for working class New Yorkers and the
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: necessity of doing both things at the same time, having
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: a politics that's against that kind of authoritarianism and also
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: for that kind of economic dignity. And too often as Democrats,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: I feel that we are only framing ourselves in opposition
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: to a platform that was already written by Republicans a
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: long time ago. And for people who can't afford to
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: even keep calling themselves New Yorkers, They don't hear enough
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: about their own struggles in such an oppositional framing. And
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: I think from LaGuardia to now, there are so many
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: New Yorkers who do not see themselves in our local politics.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Even if they're already registered as Democrats in the last
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: mayoral primary, only 26% actually showed up to vote. And
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: part of that is because they're not even being given
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: the time of day. I mean, if you kind of
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: speak in the language of a consultant and you're framing
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: out who you're going to send your mail to and
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: whose doors you're going to knock, you're going to be
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: told triple prime voters, the people who have already shown
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: up in those primary elections, you keep going back. And
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: it creates this kind of cycle where if you don't vote,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: you don't get the time. And if you don't get
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: the time, why do you even vote?
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: So a couple of months ago, you were interviewed right
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: when Cuomo jumped in. And the question was, he's got
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: this name ID, he jumps in, in the lead, he
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: was well ahead of you, and you said, just watch,
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: this is gonna close, right? That like people believe the
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: myth of Cuomo, but that once they actually learn more
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: about you, and once they learn more about his actual record,
• 54:09
  Speaker 7: you will see a big shift. That is true, that
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: has happened, right? And so I have two questions about that.
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: One is, how have you gotten people to come along, right?
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: But then I.
• 54:22
  Speaker 10: And then I want to get at something.
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: Else, which is clearly even now you've made so much headway,
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: but there's a lot of people who you still haven't
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: reached that clearly want whatever it is that story represents.
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: And I'm wondering if you've thought about how to get
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: more of those people on board.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the way that we've bridged this gap,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: which was a few months ago, a 40 point gap
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: in the final round of voting, and it is now
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: down to two points, is that we have made sure
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: that we go everywhere across New York City and we
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: say the same thing, no matter what neighborhood, no matter
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: what room, no matter what street, which is that this
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: is a campaign to make the most expensive city in
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: the United States affordable. This is a campaign that's going
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: to freeze the rent for millions of tenants make the
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: slowest buses in the country fast and free, deliver universal childcare,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: and ultimately one that's willing to work just as hard
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: as New Yorkers. Because what we've also seen from Andrew
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Cuomo's campaign is an inability to get outside of his $ 8, 000
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: a month midtown Manhattan apartment and a desire to instead
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: have this mythology that he used public dollars to burnish
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: speak for itself. And the problem with that is that
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: when New Yorkers learn about his actual record, they have
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: more questions than they have answers. And in these next
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: less than two weeks, what's so exciting is that the
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: volunteer operation that we have built up, which in the
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: beginnings we had maybe two people on staff, now we're
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: managing more than 36,000 volunteers. That operation means that where
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: it used to take us months to knock 150,000 doors,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: now we do that in a single week. And so
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: in these final days, the way that we get to
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: the 30% of New Yorkers who have yet to hear
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: from us is we keep doing the things that got
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: us here. We talk to everyone, we don't lecture, we listen,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: and we make sure that wherever there's an event, wherever
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: there's an opportunity, we're there.
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I was, and by the way, I just
• 56:16
  Speaker 7: want to say that I came in, I had questions about, oh,
• 56:20
  Speaker 7: you know, How are you going to do free buses?
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: And you have great answers for how, look, look, it's
• 56:25
  Speaker 7: a hundred and some over a hundred billion dollar budget.
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: We can afford the cost of free buses. You have like,
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: I see how you are persuading people. In other words,
• 56:33
  Speaker 7: I kind of see how you win. But I guess
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: my second part of that question is I also see
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: that there's, I see how you lose, right? And sure,
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of people who are learning about you
• 56:45
  Speaker 7: and being pulled over to your side, right? But clearly
• 56:48
  Speaker 7: there's something about the story Cuomo is telling that appeals
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: to people, right? And it has, to me, it's some
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: intersection between pragmatism and toughness. And that somehow, because you
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: have these ideas like universal childcare, free buses, I think
• 57:08
  Speaker 7: some of your previous comments on Israel factor into this,
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: that somehow you don't represent that kind of... practical, hard-nosed toughness.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's very much the story he's trying
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: to tell. And what's allowed us an opportunity to get
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: this close to him and to really be right where
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: we want to win this race is that when we look,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: especially with regards to concerns around Donald Trump, we see
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: too many echoes of that same concern pertaining to Andrew Cuomo.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: When we think about a super PAC that is largely
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: funding his entire campaign. It's in large part bankrolled by
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: the same billionaires who put Donald Trump back in the
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: White House. And what I've told New Yorkers time and
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: time again is the best way that we actually take
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: on the authoritarianism coming out of D.C. is not by
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: someone who has this bully persona, but rather someone who
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: has a complete independence from those very bullies. And I
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: have experience dealing with these kinds of people because when
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: I was elected as a state assembly member in my
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: first year, I took on a bully. It happened to
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: be Andrew Cuomo. who didn't want to tax billionaires and corporations,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: his donors, in order to fund the public schools that
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: he had started for years. And we overcame his opposition.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: We raised $ 4 billion in new revenue for those schools.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: And ultimately, it showed me that so much of this
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: is just a mirage. And it's a question of, can
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: we actually have a leader who's willing to fight for something,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: not just posture about it?
• 58:40
  Speaker 7: So I saw you gave an interview where you talked
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: about your housing plan.
• 58:44
  Speaker 10: I think it might have been the same where you
• 58:46
  Speaker 10: talked about LaGuardia.
• 58:48
  Speaker 7: And, uh, basically you were asked, where is something, where
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: is an issue where you've been wrong? And you talked
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: about the need along with investing in public housing to
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: support more private development. And, uh, you know, it led
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: many to wonder whether you've been abundance pilled and I know,
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: and based on how online you are, you know what
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: I mean? Are you, are you abundance pilled? Are you
• 59:10
  Speaker 7: somebody who are, where are you on abundance?
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot, there's a lot that
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: that conversation has brought specifically around how hard or easy
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: are we making it to actually tackle some of these issues.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: And I think sometimes it gets simplified and caricatured But fundamentally,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: to me, the thing that's been most interesting is introducing
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: a new lens of analysis around the bureaucracy. And I
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: think oftentimes the very things that we should care about
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: on the left, we have allowed the right to make
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: their own concerns. Bureaucracy, efficiency, waste. If you care about
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: public goods, public service, these have to be your primary
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: focuses because any evidence of that inefficiency is then a
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: justification for for the elimination of the public sector. And
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: I think similarly, you know, if you think about the
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: language of quality of life, it's often been understood as
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: if it's a conservative concern. But in fact, that's a
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: concern at the bedrock of every working class person's life.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: They want to have a good quality of life. And
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: these are not things in tension with our principles. In fact,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: they're the fulfillment of them. And I think abundance is
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: really interesting in its really bringing that focus around housing
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: particularly And even just the whole thinking of single stairwell
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: versus dual stairwell, right? What are the very details that
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: we often allied over that have a big impact on
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: whether or not something can actually be brought to pencil?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because when I went and looked at your platform
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 7: on housing, one thing that jumped out at me is
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 7: you talked about why we need to invest more in
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 7: public housing and specifically the ways in which NYCHA, which
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 7: is the New York City Housing Authority for People Listening,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 7: has been underfunded at the local level, at the national level.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: But what I didn't see, and look, it's a platform
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 7: on a campaign website. It's going to be a summary,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: is sure, yes, we need to invest more in that.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 10: But also, it was, what, last year that 70 people.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: At NYCHA were charged with, I think, fraud and bribery.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 7: It's been taken over by the federal government at times
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: because of how poorly run it is. Even under de Blasio,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 7: I believe it was the inspector general or some watchdog
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 7: described it as the worst landlord in the city. And
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: so it's like, how do you, you talk about all these,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 7: the importance of reinvesting in these institutions. And I'm just
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 7: curious how you think about the need to reform them
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 7: as well.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's critical. I don't think you can do
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: one without the other. And I think that it is
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: tempting at times to think of everything as a funding issue,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: and many things are funding issues. And yet we also
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: know that there are a lot of dollars that we're
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: investing that we are not actually seeing the intent with
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: which they were invested being fulfilled. I mean, I know
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: we're talking about NYCHA, but the single largest department in
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: terms of spending within New York City's municipal budget is
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: the Department of Education. And what we know is that
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: too often there are politicians who will point to that
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: scale of investment and say, the answer here is to
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: cut funding for teachers and students. But actually, the answer
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: here is to look at the immense amount of money
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: that is being spent on duplicative contracts and consulting within
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: the central department of education, not actually what's going on
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: in the classroom. And that's also what is of immense
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: interest to me is how do we standardize so much
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: of which has just been allowed to replicate itself for
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: 60 different contracts for the same very thing that has
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: created some of the waste and inefficiencies that then someone
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: like Elon Musk can point to and say, this is
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: why we have to tackle the very existence of a
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: federal government.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 7: So that was, and to be honest, like that was
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 7: sort of what I, like, I, I feel like there's,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 7: you know, a lot of places have figured out how
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 7: to do free public transportation. Like it just, I see
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 7: how that makes sense. And like, yes, let's have more
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: people taking the bus. If you're going to do congestion pricing,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: You have to make mass transit much better.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 10: We haven't done that, right? We have to deliver services.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 7: But then I see you want to do public grocery stores.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: And I look at how you say you're going to
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 7: do that. And it's either because they don't pay tax
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 7: or you get some sort of advantage as a buyer.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 7: And it's like, doesn't New York, you know, what I
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 7: first thought was, okay, two years from now, there's an
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 7: article in the New York Post that says Mamdani's Soviet
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: grocery stores two years late and $ 5 billion over budget.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 7: Is this really a city? Right now, you're going to
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: have a lot to do. Is it really a time
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: to also be trying to figure out how to compete with,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: I don't know, Zabars?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think we'd be competing with Zabars. But before
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: I even get into groceries, I just have to get
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: a commitment from you that when we make buses for you,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: you're going to come and ride one with me. Sure.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah. I mean, look, I'm more of a subway girl,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 10: but sure. I'll take a bus.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: So I think the point around grocery stores is There
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: has to be more room for reasonable policy experimentation in
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: how we're running our cities because we are losing them
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: time and time again. And they're under attack every day
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: by a Republican Party that doesn't even see the need
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: for cities at all. And ultimately, my proposal, it won't
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: end up in that billions of dollars late, although it
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: will be in the New York Post because they'll write
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: about me every single day.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 10: For sure.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: And the reason it won't is because the proposal is
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: actually $ 60 million. It's a pilot program for one store
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: in each borough. And the reason I bring up the
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: costing of it is it actually costs less than half
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: of what the city's already set to spend on subsidizing
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: corporate supermarkets. There's this program called City Fresh, where the
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: city will give subsidies and they don't even require these
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: supermarkets to accept SNAP or WIC, to engage in collective bargaining,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: to actually have cheaper groceries. It's all just, you know,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: give the money to corporations and hope and pray.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 7: Well, give the money to people to spend at the
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: grocery store. You're describing it. Give money to people to
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: spend at the grocery store.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 10: No, no, no.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: This is subsidies to the supermarket.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 10: Oh, it goes to the supermarket?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Subsidies to the supermarket. And it has the same intent.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: But my point is that with $ 60 million, what we
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: could see, is a different model, basically a public option
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: for produce. And I'm someone who fundamentally, I believe in
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: the possibility of so many of these ways that we
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: can deliver dignity to New Yorkers. And also, if this
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: pilot does not fulfill that same possibility, the one that
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: we've seen borne out in feasibility studies in Chicago and
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: evidence in Kansas, then it's something you don't continue. But
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: if it does succeed in actually guaranteeing cheaper groceries, which
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: I believe it will, then I think that's something to scale.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: And the reason I think that's important is It's not
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: just a crisis of affordability where New Yorkers will tell
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: you they can't afford the same milk and eggs and
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: bread they used to be able to four years ago.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: It's also a crisis of food deserts in New York City,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: especially for black and brown New Yorkers. Because I represent,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: we were talking about NYCHA, I represent the largest public
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: housing development in North America, Queensbridge Houses. And I'll have
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: constituents who will ask me, why is it that I
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: can't find a grocery store where I can afford the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: produce within a five block radius, but I can find
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: six fat food places? And I think this speaks to
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: that as well, where there's a racialized impact to this
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: lack of access that we could be solving for at
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: the same time as actually increasing union density and delivering
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: cheaper groceries.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess like what, it's like the goal, right,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: is to make sure everybody has access to affordable housing,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 7: affordable food, right? That there's a better standard of living
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 7: in your quality of life in New York, right? But
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 7: then you think, okay, well, we're going to do these
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: kind of public grocery stores, which would be competing with
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 7: private grocery stores. Does it make life harder for those businesses?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 7: If you freeze rent at the stabilized units, doesn't that
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: mean that more people will stay in those units and
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: the people that are looking for them won't have them?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 7: Won't it also drive up the rents in the non-stabilized units?
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: I guess what I'm trying to see is some of
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: these seem like responses to a genuine crisis that are
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: that kind of, deal with New York as it is
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: right now in a moment, but don't actually in the
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: long-term lead to the answer, right? Which is more grocery
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: stores run that are affordable, more housing everywhere that's affordable.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: I think the, I would share concerns if these were
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: the exclusive answers to those questions. But to me, I
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: think we desperately need places where New Yorkers can afford
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: to buy produce. And the beauty of having a program
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: where you pick one location in each borough, is that
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: you can solve for many things at the same time.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: It's not that you will put that grocery store right
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: next to the other one that's already providing somewhat affordable goods.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: It's that you ask New Yorkers, they can tell you
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: a place where they know, I'm not going to go
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: buy eggs there because that's five or six bucks more
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: than if I went over there. And I think to
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: freezing the rent, you're exactly right in that the goal
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: here is to keep people in their homes. It is
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: to ensure that tenants are not being pushed out. And
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: I think the the focus on rent-stabilized units is twofold. One,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: because the mayor actually has the power to do this.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: We've seen a previous administration freeze the rent three times.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: But two, because the median household income in rent-stabilized apartments
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: is $ 60, 000. And landlord profits of those very units went
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: up by 12%. And freezing the rent would ensure that
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: we return close to $ 7 billion back into the pockets
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: of those working and middle-class New Yorkers. And I say
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: all this because as much as we both need to
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: confront the crisis of the present and the future, we
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: also have to understand that our inability to do so
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: will lead us to replicate what we've already seen in
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: the past, which is hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: fleeing the city because they can't afford it. So to
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: your larger point about housing, the answer to the housing
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: crisis is not more vacancies in rent-stabilized units. To me,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: it is building more housing such that we keep people
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: in their home have a rapid expansion of housing production
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: that is both private sector and public sector driven. And
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: what makes our campaign unique is that we do believe
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: the public sector has a role, but we also think
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: the private sector, it needs to be easier, as you
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: were talking about with abundance, for them to actually build.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: And that's based on regulation and also on processes.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 7: So you've talked about 200,000 units of affordable housing, public housing.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 7: Cuomo's talked about 500,000. Zellner-Meyer has said a million. That's
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 7: five times as many.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 10: Seems better. What do you think of that plan?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the other plans that you've mentioned are
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: both building and preserving. The figure that I said is
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: just building, and it's just public sector. And I know
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: that we'll actually surpass the 200,000 because we didn't want
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: to put a number on the private sector. We think
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: we have to change a number of zoning codes, specifically
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: increasing density around mass transit hubs, ending requirements to build parking,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: upzoning wealthier neighborhoods that haven't historically produced that kind of housing.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: And all of those changes will actually create a significant
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: increase in housing production. But the issue about putting forward
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: a number as it pertains to developers is that I've
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: just seen so many developments that have been stalled for
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: so long. And ultimately, if they don't fulfill that number,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: the city is restricted in what it can do versus
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: when I say the city is going to build 200,000.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: I know that's our responsibility.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 7: So we talked about LaGuardia and sort of the sort
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 7: of multi-ethnic, multi-racial coalition. You've been getting, there was a very,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: I think, very stupid moment during the debate where everyone
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: was saying where they're going to visit first as mayor.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 7: And they all said, Israel, you said you're going to
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: stick around New York and focus on New York, which
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 7: makes sense to me. We had a controversy in Los Angeles.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 7: Our mayor was abroad. I don't understand why anyone gives
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 7: a fuck where our mayors go abroad.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 10: Stupid to me.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 7: Somebody posted this video, and I wanted you to see
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 7: it because I thought it was very funny.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: Hey, Anu, where are we going for dinner? Sushi or?
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: I noticed you didn't say Tel Aviv.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 8: Now tell me, do you believe in Israel's right to
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 8: exist as a Jewish state?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: What is it like being a raging anti-Semite?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: Do you plan on visiting Israel anytime.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 10: In the next few days?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 7: So that I, I think that's, that is like, that
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: to me captures how dumb a lot of this has
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: become and how much, um, I think fear mongering there
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 7: is about you and and what you would actually do.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: So can you just talk a little bit about what
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 7: you actually would do to face anti-Semitism in New York?
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate this because there's, as you've said, been
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: so many mischaracterizations and misconceptions. And frankly, they've been fueled
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: by candidates like Andrew Cuomo, who just yesterday, it was
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: revealed his super PAC had a mailer that artificially lengthened
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: and darkened my beard. in sending it out to voters.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: And it's just blatant Islamophobia. And it explains why so
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: many Trump donors are bankrolling that campaign. And these kinds
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: of questions on the debate stage, they pretend as if
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: they are in relation to the real issue of antisemitism
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: in our city. And yet they are weaponizing it to
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: score political points. The truth of it is that antisemitism
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: is something that has no place in the city, no
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: place in this country. And as the mayor of this city,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: my responsibility will be to protect Jewish New Yorkers. And
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: that is something that I promise to do. And it's
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: something that I know is not just evidenced in the
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: statistics we see. It's also in the fear that is
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: felt by so many Jewish New Yorkers. I remember after
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: October 7th, a friend of mine was telling me about
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: going to his synagogue for Shabbat services and hearing the
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: door open behind him and the chill that went up
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: his spine as he turned around to see who it
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: was and whether they meant to harm him. And I
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: had a conversation just weeks ago with a Jewish man
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: in Williamsburg who told me that he's now started to
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: lock the same door he had kept open for decades.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: And it's this sense of not knowing whether one is safe.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: And ultimately, we need to protect each and every Jewish
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: New Yorker because what they deserve is what every New
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Yorker deserves, which is safety. And that's why at the
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: core of our campaign's proposal to create a Department of
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Community Safety, is to increase funding for anti-hate crime programming
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: by 800%, the largest of any campaign in this cycle,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: because ultimately we have to be judged by our actions,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: not just by the endless discourse about it all.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 7: So, you know, you mentioned after October 7th and, you know,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 7: you put out a statement after October 7th where you
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 7: talked about mourning the dead in Israel and Palestine and
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 7: But you also reserved any condemnation in that statement for Israel.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 7: It talked about it as an apartheid state. You did
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: not mention Hamas and the brutal terrorist attack. I hate
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 7: Benjamin Netanyahu. I am disgusted by the atrocities being committed
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 7: by Israel. But when I saw that statement, it made
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: me worry in two ways. One is that you view
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 7: it as some kind of a concession to be honest
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: about Hamas, that it somehow hurts the Palestinian cause, the
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 7: cause of peace. And two, you as a politician who
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 7: wants to lead a city with the largest population of
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 7: Jewish people outside of Israel, didn't worry enough about their
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 7: sentiments either morally or or just as people you need
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 7: to be part of your coalition to get done these
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 7: big and important things, that you weren't doing the work
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 7: necessary to build the credibility and trust with that community
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 7: on this issue or any other issue you're trying to
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: win people over on. I'm just wondering what your reaction
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 7: is to that.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: You know, I made clear in the days after October 7th,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: especially as there was a protest the next day where
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: I said that I condemned the killing of civilians and
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: I condemned any rhetoric that made light of such killing.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: Because ultimately, any cause for freedom and justice and safety
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: is one that has to be universal in its application
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: of those things. It's why I've called October 7th what
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: it was, which is a horrific war crime. And ultimately,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: the place from which all of my policies come from
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: is a belief in international law as the foundation of
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: how we can actually chart out a better future. And
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: what you will see from our campaign is that we have,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: in fact, been able to build a coalition that reflects
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: the beauty and the breadth of the city, including so
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: many Jewish New Yorkers. And that's not just evidenced by
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: endorsements from Jewish organizations, but also that this plan I
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: was telling you about around hate crimes, the Department of
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Community Safety, that's a plan that comes out of so
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: many of those conversations. And I think to be clear,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: you know, I do not see, I do not think
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: that there is any relationship between condemning Hamas, which I've
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: done time and time again, and believing in the necessity
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: of universal human rights for each and every person and
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: that also including Palestinians. I think, in fact, what I've
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: found is that most New Yorkers have that same desire
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: for consistency and applying it to all people and thinking
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: that in the words of Noy Katzman, whose brother was
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: killed by Hamas on October 7th, that we must never
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: give up on the conviction that all life is equally precious,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Israeli and Palestinian, Jewish and Arab, and we must never
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: lose hope of a brighter, more peaceful future. And ultimately,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: that is what underpins this campaign and my politics at large.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 10: So I don't want to describe your bagel order as anti-Semitic.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 10: I don't think it is.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 7: Uh, but you said poppy seed bagel, scallion cream cheese,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 7: some pulp Tropicana on the side and, uh, toasted.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 10: Now, you know, we make the bagels in the city.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 10: They're right there. They're made in an oven nearby. They're,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 10: they're done. They're cooked, right? You know that you don't,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 10: you don't have to toast them, especially if they're fresh.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: Right. I know.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 10: So what, what the fuck?
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: Look, I think the thing that New Yorkers hate more
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: than a politician they disagree with is one they can't trust.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: And I just want to be honest with you. This
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: is what I've been doing. I grew up in Morningside Heights,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: would go to Absolute Bagels, rest in peace, best bagel
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: place in New York City. This is what I did.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: And for that, I hope to repent on this show.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 7: And you know that like, they're not like the Entenmann's
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 7: that are frozen in the freezer. Like these are made
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 7: in the oven.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 10: They're nice. They're good. They're good out of the, have
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 10: you had one out of the oven?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 7: You know, they're like, this is the whole point of
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 7: you're in New York.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 10: I don't, I don't like it. And by the way,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 10: you're not the only one.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 7: Oh, and just so we're clear, your answer is bad,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 7: but Cuomo's answer was fucking insane. He ordered a bacon, cheese,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 7: and egg on an English muffin, not a bagel. The, the, the,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 7: the ingredients were in the wrong order.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 10: Any comment?
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: I think a guy who, can't even say a bacon,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: egg and cheese is someone who's clearly, you know, hasn't
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: been living in the city for more than 30 years.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: He just moved back here. And, uh, I think we'd
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: see that in his order.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 10: It's a lot to think about. It's a lot to
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 10: think about.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: What is your, he said he stays away from a
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: bagel to keep his girlish figure.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: Well, that was, that was the other thing he said.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 7: I order a bacon, cheese and egg. I think he said,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 7: and then I make an off, make an off. What the,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 7: what kind of waste is that?
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 10: What are we doing?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: You'd think that would be the Muslim candidate saying that,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: but no, it's not.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 10: No, it's not. It's not. What's your, uh, do you
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 10: have a bodega order?
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: It's egg and cheese on a roll with jalapenos.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 10: Jalapenos. Interesting.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: Come on. Give me something.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 10: No, it's okay. I don't, I don't dislike it. I
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 10: don't dislike it. Oh, uh, No, no, not on my,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 10: I don't think so. I don't think so. I mean, I, yeah, no,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 10: I got to check. I'm, you know, I'm listening and
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 10: I'm learning. I don't think, I don't think so, but
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 10: maybe it is. Maybe it is. Maybe that's something I have.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: To deal with.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just opening the door here. If you don't like spice,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: what does it say?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 10: Zoran Mamdani, thank you so much for your time. Really
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 10: good to meet you. Good luck.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 7: Just to be clear, we've asked Andrew Cuomo to come
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 7: on and he hasn't responded probably because we'd ask him
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 7: a lot of questions about his accusations of sexual harassment.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 7: So that's probably why.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Him and his campaign made the correct assessment a long
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: time ago that the less New Yorkers see of him,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: the better his odds. And the more they're seeing of
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: him now, the worse they are.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 10: All right. Thank you so much.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much. It was a pleasure.
• 1:19:53
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