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Peter Bronson - the 49th Anniversary of the Beverly Hills Supper Club Fire · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: The talk station.
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  Speaker 2: It's seven thirty here if you have KCD talk station.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very happy Friday Eve to you. I'm so happy
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  Speaker 2: when it came in the morning, I saw Peter Bronson.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to be on the rundown, and he is
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  Speaker 2: on the rundown and he's on the phone right now.
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  Speaker 2: Peter Bronson, I can call you a friend, and I
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  Speaker 2: love that I can do that.
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  Speaker 1: Peter.
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  Speaker 2: It's great to have you back on the show. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: everybody knows who you are, but he was an award
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  Speaker 2: winning columnist, editor of The Inquirer, wonderful authory he and
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  Speaker 2: you buy a Peter Bronson book, just go to Amazon
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  Speaker 2: or chilidog Press dot com. That's his publishing company. If
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  Speaker 2: you want to beat your book published, reach out to
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  Speaker 2: Peter Bronson and try to get him to publish your book.
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  Speaker 2: He has written fabulous books. I've read every one of them,
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  Speaker 2: so you can't go wrong with the Peter Bronson book,
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  Speaker 2: including Forbidden Fruit, Sin Cities, Underworld, and The Supper Club Inferno.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back, Peter Bronson. It's always a pleasure talking with you.
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  Speaker 1: It's always good to be with you. My friend Brian
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  Speaker 1: and who knew we had so much in common until
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  Speaker 1: we had lunch and found out we both enjoy past
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  Speaker 1: cars and powerful guns and yeah, and just a career
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  Speaker 1: that's based on informing people and sharing opinions. It's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: It was.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed our conversation
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  Speaker 2: at lunch. And we can give a shout out to
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  Speaker 2: your restaurant because you steer me in the right direction.
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  Speaker 2: Over in Milford that's a place called The Governor, and
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  Speaker 2: I can strongly recommend that, and maybe listeners who've been
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  Speaker 2: listening to me a long time know how I can
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  Speaker 2: wax poetic about really good pastrami which you can't find
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  Speaker 2: in Cincinnati. Well, Peter said, try the pastrami Rube, and
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  Speaker 2: I looked at him and said, dude, I'm the sommolier
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  Speaker 2: of pastrami. Man, it's got to be a high bar
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  Speaker 2: product for me to like it. And they have a
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  Speaker 2: great homemade pastrami. So it props to the Governor and
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  Speaker 2: free advertising for them, because I thoroughly enjoyed the meal
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  Speaker 2: and it's a quaint little spot. But Peter and I
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  Speaker 2: had a wonderful conversation caught up on things, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we do have a tremendous amount of common Now, you
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  Speaker 2: wrote about the Beverly Hill Supper Club and your book
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  Speaker 2: Forbidden Fruit, which is about the mob, the crime, and
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  Speaker 2: the organized crime that existed in northern Kentucky for so
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  Speaker 2: many years, which ultimately led to the Beverly Hills Upper
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  Speaker 2: Club burning down. Paint a little picture for my listening audience.
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  Speaker 2: Give an idea how we got to the torching of
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  Speaker 2: the supper club thirty or forty nine years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the whole story of the organized crime, the big mob,
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  Speaker 1: the Cleveland four mob in northern Kentucky is really surprising
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  Speaker 1: to me. And as I've gone out speaking about it
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  Speaker 1: for the past five years, many people say they too
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  Speaker 1: are shock. You know, they always knew there was something
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  Speaker 1: going on there. But you know, my parents always told
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  Speaker 1: me to stay away from Newport, and people say things like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I can't believe this really happened, but I
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  Speaker 1: know it's true right here in Newport. So that was
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  Speaker 1: the big Mob. It was Cleveland four that came down
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  Speaker 1: and took over the whole area, Covington and Newport. They
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  Speaker 1: built all these Some were cheap dive clubs called bust
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  Speaker 1: out joints and others were really swank, and they were
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  Speaker 1: called carpet joints. And one of those carpet joints was
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  Speaker 1: known as the Beverly Hills Country Club, which was closed
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  Speaker 1: down in nineteen sixty and Bobby Kennedy came to Newport
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  Speaker 1: as the Attorney General and sent his man to clean
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  Speaker 1: up Newport and chase the mob out, and it closed down.
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  Speaker 1: It was shuddered like a time capsule until the Shilling
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  Speaker 1: family reopened it in nineteen seventy five. Now in seventy seven,
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  Speaker 1: on this very date, that would be forty nine years ago,
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  Speaker 1: it burned and the fire was horrific. It's still remembered
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  Speaker 1: so well by so many in Cincinnati. Oh yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: tilled one hundred and sixty five people. One of a
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  Speaker 1: fire investigator called this the biggest mass murder cold case
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  Speaker 1: in US history.
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  Speaker 2: How did did the Shilling family get the basically what
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  Speaker 2: amounted to this mob murder scene. Why did they quote
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  Speaker 2: unquote deserve a hit like that? Why were they targeted? Peter?
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  Speaker 1: Well? Even in FBI documents that I found from the
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  Speaker 1: FBI vault, which is where they keep their formerly classified documents.
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  Speaker 1: In those documents they refer the FBI refers to Dick
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  Speaker 1: Schilling as a mob connected guy. He was on the
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  Speaker 1: fringes probably, but nonetheless he knew people who were definitely
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  Speaker 1: mob connected. And he had owned the lookout House before
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  Speaker 1: that that burned as well. So you know, you can
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  Speaker 1: chalk this up to coincidence if you want. But when
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  Speaker 1: you see more than a dozen Cincinnati nightclubs and restaurants
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  Speaker 1: burn in the years leading up to this fire, and
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  Speaker 1: then this one burns, and it just so happens there
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five people killed in it, and
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  Speaker 1: the first thing the governor said was that it had
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  Speaker 1: to be an accident. This is just nonsense. You know,
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  Speaker 1: people didn't believe that then and they don't believe that today.
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  Speaker 1: It's like being told the same old lies about JFK.
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  Speaker 1: Oswald acted alone. UFOs are just swamp gas. Epstein just
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  Speaker 1: committed suicide. You know, people don't believe these things, and
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  Speaker 1: they're right.
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  Speaker 2: They are indeed right, and we'll pause, will bring them
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  Speaker 2: back and we'll talk about you know, it's not just mob.
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  Speaker 2: Officials and other criminal activities might lead to things being
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  Speaker 2: burned down, But when you have a corrupt police department
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  Speaker 2: and corrupt elected official seven thirty nine fifty about KRC
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  Speaker 2: the talk station right the time was with Peter Bronson, publisher,
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  Speaker 2: author and an all round great guy. Get a copy
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  Speaker 2: of Forbidden Fruits in Cities Underworld and the Supper Club
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  Speaker 2: Inferno as we talk about the anniversary of the Beverly
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  Speaker 2: Hill supper Club fire, a mass murder. As the fire
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  Speaker 2: inspector mentioned, speaking of fire inspections there, Peter Bronson, we
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  Speaker 2: know there was corruption among elected officials and maybe even
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  Speaker 2: fire personal or police personnel. Why because they couldn't even
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  Speaker 2: do a proper investigation of the fire because they had
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  Speaker 2: it bulldozed the next day. Am I right?
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  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. You know, there were about five or
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  Speaker 1: six investigations over the years, and they all came to
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  Speaker 1: the same conclusion that they could not determine the source
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  Speaker 1: of the fire. So the notion that this was solved
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  Speaker 1: by that lawsuit Involvingsley and luminum wire, it's just nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: But absolutely you're correct. The one of the fire marshals
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  Speaker 1: that I interviewed told me that when he arrived on
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  Speaker 1: the scene, he implored the governor to please set aside
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  Speaker 1: and put up crime tape and treat this as a
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  Speaker 1: crime investigation, and the governor basically told him to take
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  Speaker 1: a hike, that he was going to put the state
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  Speaker 1: police in charge, not the fire marshals, to investigate this fire.
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  Speaker 1: And they bulldozed and destroyed the scene of the fire.
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  Speaker 1: The Zebra room was where it began, and that was
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  Speaker 1: the first target of the clamshell crane to go in
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  Speaker 1: and destroy evidence.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that was just a fun coincidence, Peter, Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, go ahead, Oh, I was just going
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  Speaker 2: to say there was a fire investigator in there who
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  Speaker 2: did take photographs of this where the fire actually started.
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  Speaker 2: It was an HVAC system and you could see the
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  Speaker 2: flames of the burn marks flowing out of it. That
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  Speaker 2: information was, though hidden. You know, if the defense attorneys
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  Speaker 2: in the lawsuit against illuminum wiring folks were able to
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  Speaker 2: get ahold of the box of documents that was later
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  Speaker 2: found and could see those photographs, they could amounted a
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  Speaker 2: wonderful bulletproof defense to Sanchezley's allegation that aluminum wiring caused it.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. You know, those pictures were hidden for twenty years,
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  Speaker 1: and the state police in Kentucky said that there was
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  Speaker 1: no there's no foundation for a freedom of Information Act
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  Speaker 1: request to obtain the pictures, which turned out to be
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  Speaker 1: totally untrue. When they were finally released as a result
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  Speaker 1: of litigation, they were shocking. They showed the massive damage
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  Speaker 1: to the air handling system down there. They showed what
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  Speaker 1: fire investigators called, quote very strange things in that basement,
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  Speaker 1: including wiring that had been plugged in rob stripped wires
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  Speaker 1: had been jammed into outlets that were connected to this explosion.
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  Speaker 1: What looks like an explosion in the air handling system.
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  Speaker 1: So you know this thing was wired. It was. It's
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  Speaker 1: extremely suspicious, it's very obviously arson when you begin to
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  Speaker 1: look at the evidence.
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  Speaker 2: So the motive for the then governor to launch this
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  Speaker 2: cover up, the motive of the police and to quote
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  Speaker 2: unquote investigate it when they were ill equipped to do
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  Speaker 2: so since they didn't have the requisite skill sets to
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  Speaker 2: conduct a fire investigation. Presumably, and I've seen enough mob
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  Speaker 2: movies to know that the mob quite often is in
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  Speaker 2: control of elected officials. They see that they get elected,
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  Speaker 2: they put money behind their campaigns, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: You think maybe there's something to that in this particular case.
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  Speaker 1: Peter Bronson, Oh, absolutely, you nailed it, Brian. This is
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  Speaker 1: all part of the legacy of corruption, which was like
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  Speaker 1: a cancer in northern Kentucky that the mob caused. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they got people accustomed to having corrupt officials and government
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  Speaker 1: officials who were on the take. When the governor appointed
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  Speaker 1: his panel to investigate this, all but one of the
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  Speaker 1: people were later either coned or disgraced and scandalized in corruption.
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  Speaker 1: The state police, the man who is charge of the
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  Speaker 1: state Police was later found to be corrupt. The governor
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  Speaker 1: himself was caught in various corruption with payoffs and kickbacks.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was just layer after layer of these
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  Speaker 1: corrupt officials, and it really any casual observer would would
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  Speaker 1: quickly raise the question of who was on the take,
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  Speaker 1: who was being extorted by the mob, and who was
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  Speaker 1: actually in place to cover all this up.
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  Speaker 2: Now, of course, elected officials going to join the fruit
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  Speaker 2: enjoy the fruits of the money that flowed in from
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  Speaker 2: all these casinos and illicit joints that were running in
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  Speaker 2: northern Kentucky. In Newport, generally speaking, do you know anything
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  Speaker 2: about what the residents who were living around the neighborhood
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  Speaker 2: felt about that, because I know the city of Cincinnati
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  Speaker 2: kind of viewed it with a knot in a wink.
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  Speaker 2: It's not in our neighborhood, but we get the benefits
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  Speaker 2: of the prostitution, of the gambling right across the river.
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  Speaker 2: That's their problem. Did the locals have any say, any,
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  Speaker 2: any thoughts are feelings collectively about that? Because you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can vote people out of office. But I just wonder,
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  Speaker 2: you know, was this ignoring constituents to allow this to
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  Speaker 2: go or did the people in Newport that live there
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  Speaker 2: really like it as well?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know that's a great story too. You're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 1: So the community of Newport was divided. There was a
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  Speaker 1: faction that they called the Liberals, and they were the
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  Speaker 1: ones who said that this is the only real economic
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  Speaker 1: development tool we have is to be in bed with
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  Speaker 1: the mob and run illegal casinos and prostitution and all
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  Speaker 1: this crime. And the leader of that faction was Johnny
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  Speaker 1: TV Paluso. On the other side was this Committee of
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  Speaker 1: five hundred that was formed by residents who were fed
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  Speaker 1: up with this, and they drafted George Raderman to be
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  Speaker 1: their reform sheriff. And that turned into another huge battle
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  Speaker 1: and scandal that made headlines all over the US. So
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  Speaker 1: the Committee of five hundred finally did prevail and they
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  Speaker 1: managed to get Radaman elected. When he was elected, he
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  Speaker 1: had to replace the entire Sheriff's department practically of its officers,
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  Speaker 1: because that most of them were on the mob payroll.
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  Speaker 1: It was really that some of the stuff that was
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  Speaker 1: going on there is pretty astonishing.
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  Speaker 2: Really, you know, I say this not knowing whether one
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  Speaker 2: was made or not. This this could make a wonderful movie.
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  Speaker 2: You know, It's not Chicago mobsters, you know, Saint Valentine's
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  Speaker 2: Day master type stuff. But man, the corruption, the graph,
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  Speaker 2: the murders, this this would make a perfect movie.
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  Speaker 1: Peter Oh absolutely, just dwelling or drilling into the scandal
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  Speaker 1: involving George Radaman when they slipped him knockout drops and
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  Speaker 1: put him in bed with a stripper and tried to
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  Speaker 1: frame him up when they thought that would destroy his
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  Speaker 1: reform sheriff campaign, and instead he showed that he had
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  Speaker 1: been given chloral hydrate from blood tests. The whole thing backfired.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we have all these cast of care. We
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  Speaker 1: have Redmasters and the hit man from the mob. We
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  Speaker 1: have Mo Delitz, the big boss of the Cleveland four
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  Speaker 1: sleepout Louis. I mean, it just goes on and on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Fuz, we'll bring Peter Vack. He's got a lot
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  Speaker 2: more nuggets that you're just gonna certainly encourage you to
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  Speaker 2: get his book and read it because it's great. More
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  Speaker 2: with Peter Bronson, Don't cole A Jimmy care Fireplace and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Was the less Say talk station seven fifty fifty five
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  Speaker 2: KERCD talk station by the time it was Peter Bronson publisher, author,
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  Speaker 2: chilidog Press dot com. Find Peter and Maureen gets your
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  Speaker 2: book published at Peter Bronson's Chili Dog Press, that is,
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  Speaker 2: if it meets his muster Chili. He also wrote, and
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about Peter Brownson about the anniversary of the
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  Speaker 2: Beverly Hill supper Club. He wrote about this in great detail,
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  Speaker 2: along with everything else about the corruption of Newport and
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  Speaker 2: mob activity, forbidden Fruits and cities underworld in the supper
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  Speaker 2: Club Inferno. The Shilling family, we talked about them early
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  Speaker 2: in this this interview. Peter. Why were they? Why was
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  Speaker 2: their club burned down? What did they refuse to do?
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 2: What didn't they capitulate to that the mob wanted the
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  Speaker 2: sale of the building to the mob.
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  Speaker 1: Is that?
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  Speaker 2: Is that what it boils down to?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I interviewed some people who are working
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  Speaker 1: there that night, including a waitress who said she saw
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  Speaker 1: people show up and an issue an ultimatum to Dick Shilling,
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  Speaker 1: the owner, basically, here's a check, fill it in with
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  Speaker 1: any number you want, and he refused and kicked him out.
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  Speaker 1: And then what she came to the conclusion that this
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  Speaker 1: was a mob basically offer you cannot refuse. And what
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  Speaker 1: was going on then in the late seventies was we
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  Speaker 1: were looking at pushes in Congress to offer legalized casino gambling,
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  Speaker 1: and in fact, Atlantic City opened the following year, so
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  Speaker 1: the big casinos were already on the way, and Dick
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  Speaker 1: Shilling wanted to be part of that. He had excavating
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  Speaker 1: and construction equipment on the site to expand the Beverly
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  Speaker 1: Hills supper Club, and that his at the time was
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  Speaker 1: probably to open that as a casino if you could
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  Speaker 1: get the authorization. After the fire, he moved to Mississippi
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  Speaker 1: eventually and became the godfather of riverboat casinos in Mississippi,
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  Speaker 1: where he became fabulously wealthy. So this all follows that pattern,
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  Speaker 1: and it also follows the pattern that the mob which
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  Speaker 1: had run the Beverly Hills Country Club or previously wanted
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  Speaker 1: that back and saw the value of this fantastic nightclub
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  Speaker 1: what it could be as a casino.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, Peter, why Newport? I mean
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  Speaker 2: for the mob to you know, the Chicago mob or
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  Speaker 2: the Cleveland mob to just decide that we're going to
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  Speaker 2: set up shopping take her for Newport and put all
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  Speaker 2: these clubs and these illicit joints. And what I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think to be a reasonable question. Why not, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, pick another city or anyplace else in the
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  Speaker 2: in one hundred mile radius.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. And it turns out it's
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  Speaker 1: the same reason that big corp operations like Kroger and
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  Speaker 1: Procter and Gamble are headquartered here, because we have such
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  Speaker 1: convenient access to these huge population centers such as Chicago
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  Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh and going south in every direction, Cincinnati is
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  Speaker 1: ideally located. And this was quickly spotted by George Remas,
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  Speaker 1: the national king of bootleggers, who set up in Newport
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  Speaker 1: as his distribution center. And the decision for Newport versus
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati because he lived in Cincinnati, is pretty clear that
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  Speaker 1: it was an economy of scale for corruption. You just
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  Speaker 1: don't have to bribe that many people in little Newport.
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  Speaker 1: You can own all of the law enforcement people that
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  Speaker 1: judges the politicians for a very reasonable costs compared to
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  Speaker 1: trying to do that in Cincinnati Chicago, for example.
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  Speaker 2: And you answered, because the next thing was going to
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  Speaker 2: be well, why not just Cincinnati, where we we far
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  Speaker 2: more moral than allow that to happen. It was simply
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  Speaker 2: a question of a numbers game. There were just too
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  Speaker 2: many people that need to be paid off in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Remas said that he paid more than a million
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  Speaker 1: dollars a year in graft and corruption, and that everybody
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  Speaker 1: had their handout, including Cincinnati. He would complain about that. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was just too many people to pay off,
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  Speaker 1: to keep their mouths shut and to look the other way.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, they had a name for it. They called
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  Speaker 1: it the Newport eye. The Newport eye was the practice
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  Speaker 1: of always looking the other way with the mob wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do business, and they did fantastic business.
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  Speaker 2: Just amazing, And of course, of course the resulting deaths
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  Speaker 2: can their tragedies cannot be understated, especially when you know
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  Speaker 2: how unbelievably horrific this was, and the fact that it
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  Speaker 2: was buried and covered up with a class action lawsuit
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  Speaker 2: against a luminium wiring companies by Stan Chesley. And I
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  Speaker 2: want to thank you again for writing about him in
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  Speaker 2: Magical History Tour. That's another book you need, together with
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  Speaker 2: Peter Browns and Magical History Tour, Murder Mystery and Buried History.
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  Speaker 2: These really wild stories that happened in the greater Cincinnati area,
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  Speaker 2: including I love the way you wrote the story about this,
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  Speaker 2: the Beverly Hill supper Club fire litigation, Peter the last
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  Speaker 2: story the book.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was amazing. He was the master of disaster,
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  Speaker 1: the King of torts, they called him. He was the
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  Speaker 1: class action guy. He claimed that he invented the class
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  Speaker 1: action lawsuit as a result of beverll Hills supper Club fire,
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  Speaker 1: and he did become fabulously wealthy. His settlement of fifty
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  Speaker 1: million was a record time and it became also a
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  Speaker 1: textbook case for tort reform because he took so much
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  Speaker 1: of the settlement. It was considered a scandal even back
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  Speaker 1: then that he had taken so much and left so
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  Speaker 1: little for the victims of the fire.
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  Speaker 2: In My Apologies, you wrote about the fen Fen litigation,
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  Speaker 2: but it sprung from the whole idea that he was
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  Speaker 2: mister class action. He ended up getting obviously disbarred and
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: should have gone to jail as a consequence of ripping
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: off his own clients in the fen Fen litigation, which
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: he wrote about in the book.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a unbelievable case of lawyer greed. It's again,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: it's just unbelievable. At one point to judge that case
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: that he wanted to put everybody in prison, all of
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: the lawyers, including the lawyers that were defending lawyers. So
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: he was bet up as just as everybody else was
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: who watched that trial, because it was just amazing. The typical,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: as you know, Brian, the typical settlement in a class
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: action gives a third to the attorneys who bring the suit,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: and in this case they took two thirds, and they
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: just kept taking it taken.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: It was ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous that you would throw your
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: career away and risk prison like some of them got
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: for doing that. It's just mind boggling. Anyway, I have
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: higher ethics than that. I can say that was a
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: straight faced Peter Bronson. Again, thank you so much for
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: the beautiful ones. We got to do that again, Thank
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: you so much for the brilliant writing. You do again,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: folks Forbidden Fruit, since that he's underworld in the supper
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: club Inferno, Joe Strucker is going to put a link
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: up to get your books so my listeners can easily
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: grab a copy of it. We'll do that on the
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: blog page fifty five KC dot com.
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  Speaker 1: It's