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Predicting the Winners of the NBA Conference Finals; Plus Reactions to NBA Game 7s! · The So-Called Sports Analysts

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  Welcome, Welcome back to another episode, episode number forty eight, of the
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  so called sports channalyst Josh, How you doing doing pretty good? I hit
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  a game winner in Alfonso's face today, you know, Hey, you gotta
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  it's a it's been a good day. We're about to see these Game seven's
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  happen, you know, women, Yama may first team. We'll get into
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  that later. So it's gonna be a good pod, boys, And we're
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  having a live reaction kind of sort of to the Pacers and Celtics right now.
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  Right now, it's not looking too good for the Pacers. Yeah,
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  well we have we have our Game seven coming up whenever we could do it
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  next. But all I'm just saying is, yes, that was a tough
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  shot. That was a tough shot in the first one. I played great
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  d I played great defense. That was nothing I could do. But who
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  won the first game? Josh? Do you do? You know who won
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  the first game? And we went and more convincingly too, I have short
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  lost. I don't know. Oh, so how are you remembering this?
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  How are you remembering this? I don't remember the good times? Okay,
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  okay, So before I get into everything else, as far as the last
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  week's episode because I know it didn't upload. It only uploaded on twitch or
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  this to anybody who likes sports. But Josh, let's go ahead and get
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  into it. Which one did you want to get into first? As far
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  as the game sevens, I think we should get into the Pacers and Knicks
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  right now. Pacers and Knicks, All right, Well, let's go ahead
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  and get into that one. So the Pacers and Nick down was pretty much
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  a blowout from the get go. The Pacers they won one thirty to one
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  on nine. So how did you feel about this? On right here.
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  Josh I felt tired like the New York Knicks. That's how I felt.
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  They were. Just they didn't have any fight in them in his game,
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  injuries, Jalen Brunsing comes out late third, doesn't play at all in the
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  fourth, And it was just any of the Pacers game to lose. Basically,
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  they had they had strong, a strong shooting percentage, shooting sixty seven
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  percent from the field. As a team, if you're shooting like that,
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  you're probably not going to lose the game, and it's a lot you're not.
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  It's pretty expected coming from the number one, a consistent number one offense
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  in the regular season, but to beat the New York Knicks like that,
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  it's just it's just it says a lot going into the next series, even
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  though it's not looking too great right now. Yeah. No, we'll talk
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  about that one in a second. But yeah, as far as with the
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  Pacers, the first thing that I want to address, as far as oh
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  the Pacers, they had this amazing, amazing shot making game, but if
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  you really watch the game, these were wide open looks. It's like,
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  how how is Tyre's Halliburton hidding five to six threes in the first half because
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  he's wide open, nobody's guarding him by five feet and you have a professional
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  basketball player in the playoffs. Nine times out of ten, they're gonna make
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  those shots. And yeah, the Knicks, they were just beat up and
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  just at that point where they were done, they were done. There was
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  no more that you could really do with this team. And one thing that
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  I want to pick with the Knicks is they do not need to run this
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  team back. They do not. I know those injuries, Mitchell Robinson,
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  Bogdanovich, Og, those people, but Jalen Brunson just being the only score
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  on this team is not going to be sustainable. And teams are going to
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  get better in the East. I don't know how you feel about that.
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  I do think are gonna get better and they're gonna have to bring in a
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  second score, someone that can take the pressure off Jalen Brunson and someone and
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  they need probably bring in a couple of people, a couple better role players,
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  only because you can't have three guys playing forty eight minutes a night and
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  hoping that it's gonna get it done. Because they caught up to them over
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  a seven game series where you're you're playing where you're not even not playing,
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  you're just playing the entire time. That's gonna catch up to you eventually,
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  especially every other night in the NBA NBA Playoffs when it's more physical, it
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  just doesn't work like that. You need to take the presser off, pressure
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  off. Jalen Brunston is trying to do too much. It's a lot of
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  iso ball. If it's if it's not Jaylen Brunton, like we were saying,
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  it's nothing like you. You can't rely on it to like to where
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  it's gonna kill your team. And that's just what happens to the New York
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  Nexts. They need it. There's there's gonna need to bring They're gonna have
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  to bring some people in in the offseason. Yeah, no, they're They're
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  definitely gonna have to. But I just think that I don't know exactly the
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  free agency list. I know you had some of it up, maybe a
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  Klay Thompson and maybe maybe not even maybe a secondary scorer, maybe just somebody
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  who could get hot at any given moment. Well that had a couple of
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  good players, I feel I could fit in like a DeMar de Rosen.
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  Like a DeMar de Rosen, I think would be pretty good, like in
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  this offense, someone that could take pressure off in the mid range, get
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  to the rim, play some okay defense, and then there's like, now
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  you don't I don't think Daniel Russell would be a good fit with Jaylen Brunson.
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  There's a couple other players I don't have the list of right now,
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  but I have it, and I think there's a couple. There's a lot
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  of good options in this free agency. Yeah, okay, as far as
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  from this pacer side. So I don't know how you feel about it.
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  Because Tyrus Halliburton, I'm really high on him. I think he could be
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  another version of Steve Nash. Maybe not MVPs wise, but as far as
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  deep playoff runs and just being a really good facilitator and maybe not so much
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  a score. That's what I think he is. I don't feel like this,
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  I really don't. I know. People they're saying that Atlanta Hawks when
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  they had their run in twenty twenty one, I believe they're saying it's similar
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  to this. I don't know how you feel about that one. No,
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  I don't think it's the same thing. I think I don't think the East
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  is as separated as people think it is. I think it's the Celtics and
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  everyone else is kind of just fighting each other, you know. I don't
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  think it's like, oh dang, this is a surprise team making a Cinderella
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  run. No, Like, I don't think the Cavaliers were much better than
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  the Pacers. I don't think the Knicks were much better than the Pacers.
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  I don't think the Heat were even close to the Pacers. I don't know,
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  I just don't There was like a lot of teams that I just didn't
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  think it was that separated. And the thing that the Pitchers have, they
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  have a great offense. They can they can hit open shots, they can
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  move the ball around, and plus on the defensive side of the ball.
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  So far in the playoffs minals, Turner has been He's been a good shot
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  blocker his entire career, but yeah, he had four blocks in this last
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  game, and he's been holding down there here for the Pacers, and that's
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  really big for them because they can kind of play a little bit a little
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  bit more spread out on the defensive end and let him kind of ruam the
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  paint area. And he's a pretty athletic big So it's just the chips are
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  falling for them. I think they're gonna it's gonna be the hardest test right
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  now. But I don't think it's a cinder. I don't think it's a
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  so called Cinderella run at all. I like, I like the word play
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  right there, the so called so called Cinderella run. But yeah, no,
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  shout out to two people. I know. Tyre's Halliburn. He's gonna
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  get the He's gonna get the love. As far as from the Pacers,
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  you already mentioned Miles Turner, he's shooting forty six percent from three in the
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  playoffs. And TJ McConnell, that dude. He may not be he may
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  not have these crazy stat games, but he's an all round player and he
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  just contributes to winning. That's what he is. He's You're not gonna see
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  his effect on the Detroit Pistons or the San Antonio Spurs. You're gonna see
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  it on a team that's in the playoffs. Yeah, yeah there, But
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  yeah, just shout out to him. But is there anything else you want
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  to say before move into the other games? Game seven? Also, I
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  feel like the defense that aaron Ne Smith has been playing throughout this throughout this
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  kind of run. It's not something to to like pass over. I do
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  think he played very well against Jellen Brunton when he had the opportunities and against
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  Dante Di Vincinjo also, and I think that helped them. That helped them
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  quite significantly. Also slow down the slow down the Knicks offense. Yeah,
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  no, it did well. It didn't upload. It didn't upload last week.
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  But I think that's the biggest thing that we talked about as far as
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  the adjustment between that what Rick Carlisle did and how it changed the entire series.
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  So I don't know how well that's gonna work against Boston. We're gonna
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  get into that in a second. But yeah, let's go to move on
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  to this other game seven right here, which it was the Minnesota Timberwolves versus
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  the Denver Nuggets, and the Minnesota Timberwolves win three games in Denver in the
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  series overall, and they win the game seven, ninety eight to ninety after
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  being down twenty points in the third quarter. So what do you think this
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  was? This was right here. Do you think it was a great comeback
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  or a historic collapse? I think it was a great comeback. No,
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  Okay, I think it was it has to be a mix of both,
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  obviously. Yeah, I think it's comeback. Yeah, I think it's a
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  more of a more of a comeback than it is a collapse. I do
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  think the Timberwlves just did what they did all season. That's played great defense.
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  They shut down the Denver Nuggets in that second half, fourteen points in
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  the third quarter, twenty four points, I mean twenty three points in the
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  fourth quarter. They didn't score the ball at all, and then it was
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  like they were trying to feed Yokich and Yokich was the only one getting his.
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  Jamal Murray couldn't do anything. Michael Porter Junior for sure didn't do a
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  damn thing in this series. So it's it's not like he didn't he played
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  terrible. No, he didn't know he didn't. Yeah, he was terrible.
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  He wasn't knocking down any shots. He sometimes you just got it.
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  You can't be the If you're gonna be a catch and shoot shooter, bro,
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  you gotta at least take some good, high high volume shots, good
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  percentage shots. No, Bro pools it with like three people in front of
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  him, was like, can I give you a quick stat dude. So
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  Michael Porter junior his last four games in the series, six points a game,
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  twenty eight percent from the field, nineteen percent from three, and one
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  for nine on wide open threes. And that's five feet and more a way
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  a defender. So yeah, go on. Yeah. And then I also
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  think in this, in this, in this comeback, I get and didn't
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  have the strongest game. It's gonna he's not gonna have many games like this
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  where he goes six for twenty four to two for ten from three, and
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  it only but what he did well. He became a passer in this game.
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  He had seven assists. He became a rebounder eight rebounds. But I
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  think the biggest, the biggest thing that the Timberwolves have is Mike. I
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  understand Mike Conley's stats anymore aren't gonna blow you away. But when you need
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  a big shot, when you need to someone to facilitate the offense, when
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  he's someone to play great defense, Mike Conley has been that throughout his entire
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  career. And if you could just have him, have that guy in the
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  fourth quarter, if you can have that guy in crunch time moments, that
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  yeah, speaks volumes for your team because he has all the talent. He
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  had all the talent in the world in his prime. Right now, He's
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  just that that season better and that gets the job done. And that's that's
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  big for the Timberwolves. Yeah, no, it is. And I think
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  Anthony Edwards he might end up being the next Michael Jordan of Kobe. End
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  up playing like ship in the first half and your team stillings up winning and
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  you get all the credit. All right, No, I'll like Lebron.
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  Unlike Lebron, the targets to certain people, Yeah, to certain to certain
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  people, and they know who they are. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  But yeah, Anthony Edwards defensively what he did in the second half to Jamal
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  Murray, because Jamal Murray he was cooking in the first half. He was
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  so he had twenty four points in the first half, if I if I
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  believe so. So he took that challenge and became a passer, was driving
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  into the lane and they made this comeback and okay, I had this pulled
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  up the final twenty two minutes when Denver they led fifty eight to thirty eight.
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  And I'm gonna list of timbill Side first than the Nuggets as far as
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  points sixty to thirty two rebounds twenty six to twelve, field goal percentage fifty
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  one to thirty four, three point field goal six for sixteen, three for
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  nineteen, free throws six for nineteen, and then free throws for the Nuggets
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  five for six. The rest of the team had eleven points. Jokic had
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  twenty one. And I think that was their biggest downfall in this game,
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  Cuz usually their offense is we're gonna get everybody going, and then the crunch
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  time situation, that's when we're gonna run the two man game of yoki Ji
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  Murray. And you have Aaron Gordon who's in SINC, Michael Porter who's in
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  SINC KCP, who's in sync. But it was just them two from the
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  very get go. So when they needed those players and they were shutting down
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  the two man game, they had nothing. They had nothing. And that's
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  exactly what it was. And Jaden McDaniels these last two games, the game
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  six, in Game seven, he was really big obviously defensively this entire series,
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  but dropping twenty three and back to back games when he's not a score,
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  that's very big right there. And one more thing, as far as
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  Rudy Gobert, this is the bone to pick with you right here. This
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  is the bone to pick with you right here. He's saying, bruh,
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  especially Josh, that Rudy Gobert, he was trash. He was terrible,
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  maybe not even defensive player of the year. What he did in the second
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  half was amazing. What he overall in this series was amazing. So overall
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  in this entire series, when Rudy Gobert was on the floor plus forty nine,
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  when he was off the floor minus thirteen, that's ridiculous. Just one
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  player, and you're going up against not just no disrespect to Miles Turner,
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  but a Miles Turner, a Christaps Porzingis. You're going up against a three
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  time MVP and he just came off of his championship, so obviously he's gonna
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  get his buckets. So just what Rudy Gobert was able to do was damn
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  good. And I know I asked you, was this a collapse or was
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  it a great comeback? I think this was a collapse, honestly, because
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  how we talked about as far as Jokic, he's held to a certain standard.
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  He's now has three MVPs, a championship, and myself included. We're
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  already trying to put him into a certain category as far as top ten potentially,
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  and you're up twenty points in a game seven. If this happened to
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  Lebron James, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant or even Luka Doncic, this wouldn't
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  fly. He would be getting crucified in the media. And I know he
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  scored points, but he had he had a good game. It wasn't a
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  great game in my opinion. That's just me so and I think it's looking
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  more and more like he's having the Yannis trajectory. So let me read you
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  some stats as far as career comparison. The first side's gonna be honest,
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  second side is gonna be Yokic. Playoff win loss record forty three and thirty
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  six, forty four and thirty six Conference finals appearance. Both have two finals
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  appearance. Both have one Finals MVP, both have one. Giannis has has
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  three MVPs or two MVPs a dpoy, Jokics has three MVPs. First Team
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  All NBA Yanni is five Yo Kids three All Stars eight to Jokic six All
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  NBA. Yannis has seven, Jokic has five. So All I'm just saying,
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  is that maybe we should pump the breaks after somebody wins a championship.
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  There's a reason why these last six years that nobody they've gone back to back
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  or even made the conference finals in their own or in their own conference.
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  So this is a historic collapse in my opinion. Oh damn, that's tough
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  by Peyton Pritrick. Damn No, But right now, I kind of went
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  on a little bit of a rant there. I don't know if you have
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  anything else to say. Okay, I don't think go Bear is better than
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  the best defender in the NBA. But he did have a good series.
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  I'ld say he had a great series. He played great defense. The only
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  reason I was harping on him in the other game is because when they were
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  in the fourth quarter and they were up and he had that like terrible stretch
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  for like three minutes where he played pretty bad basketball, like as a whole,
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  not just on defense. But he did have a good series. I'll
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  eat my words for this series. But he's still not the best player,
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  the best defensive player in the NBA, I will not say that. But
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  he did have a great series. But as far as Jokic, I do
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  think we need to pump the brakes. But we didn't say that he was
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  already there. We said if he won another ring, you know, like
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  he would have to win another ring for us to put him like. We
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  did say that it was like most like most a game from another ring,
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  we did put yok we said that for Jokics, So it's not like we
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  were saying, oh, he's already here, he's already there. No,
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  Like I get he has the three MVPs. But sometimes I know we argue
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  against ring the rings being like so heavily like it's just you need to have
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  more than one, that's for sure. Yeah, yeah, no, no
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  question up. Do you hear my dog bucket in the back or is that
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  just me? Okay, okay, I hear it a little bit, but
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  not crazy now okay, oh my goodness. All right, we're gonna just
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  have to edit this part out right here. And Bro was sick. Now
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  he's acting like he's all young Bro, I know. Now he's just yapping.
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  Okay, okay, yeah, okay, we're good. No, but
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  one more thing is that Karl Anthony Towns, as far as how he was
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  viewed in the media, I'm not saying this is official, this is a
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  done deal, that he's now one of the top tier players, but how
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  he was viewed as a playoff choker and can't rise to the high levels.
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  What he's been able to do in these playoffs is pretty damn good. And
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  I think I sent you it. I'm trying to find it. Oh,
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  there it is. Karl Anthony Towns is holding Jokic, Kevin Durant, Browdley
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  Bill, and Devin Booker all throughout this playoffs when he's a primary defender to
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  thirty seven percent field goal percentage, and he was not viewed as a defender.
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  And honestly, he was the main reason in the first half why they
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  kind of stayed alive before it got out of him, because he was making
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  key, key and timely baskets. So just shout out to him and it's
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  gonna be fun. As far as this. He has the highest shooting percentage.
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  Hold on my bad, he has like the highest shooting percentage of every
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  player in the playoffs right now. Yeah, he's balling, he is balling,
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  But also I think what helps him now is he's not the number one
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  option. He's not the it's Anthony Edwards, like Anthony Edwards gets the ball,
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  and that creates a lot for Karl Anthony Towns to do his own thing.
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  Mm hmm. And one thing I want to say is that props to
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  all of these teams for being aggressive at the trade deadline or just being aggressive
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  in the offseason and is now been paying off for him. Just as far
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  as the teams to make the conference finals, you have the Mavericks they obviously
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  have this big trade deadline. Then you have the Minnesota Timberwolves. They traded
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  for Rudy Gobert a couple of years ago, and then they traded for Mike
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  Conny as well. Then you have the Pacers they traded for Pascal Siakam,
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  the Celtics they traded for Drew Holliday this offseason. So it's showing when you
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  don't stand pat even if you make a deep tradeoff run yeah, and Chris
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  stops porzingis yeah. So it just shows how constantly you have to be improving
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  or making trades in order to just make your conference finals. Here. But
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  I don't know if you want to bring up anything else before we get into
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  two predictions for the series, But well, we still have the Mavericks and
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  Thunder. Oh yeah, the Mavericks and Thunder. I completely forgot. Yeah,
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  yeah, we have the Mavericks and Thunder. Jeez, yeah, excuse
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  me on that one. But so the Mavericks they closed out the Oklahoma City
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  Thunder in six games. I guess the score just doesn't want to pop up
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  for me right now. I don't know if you have the score on you
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  right now, but uh, that's under Uh, I got it. I
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  don't know, go ahead. Oh, the Mavericks defeated the Oklahoma City Thunder
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  one seventeen to one sixteen and also a comeback. They were down pretty big
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  in this game. Also, so there's there was two comebacks in the in
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  these game seven series. Yeah. So the biggest thing that's crazy to me
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  is how Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving they haven't had an A plus yet series,
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  which we know they're capable of, and they still made it to the
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  conference finals. And I'm not trying to get or get ahead of what we're
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  gonna talk about soon, but that but that's just really surprising to me.
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  I thought that the Oklahoma City Thunder. I know, I picked the MAVs
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  to win, but I also expected Luca and Kyrie to have this a plus
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  type of series. I feel like this series it goes to the other guys.
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  For the Mavericks, you had PJ. Washington step up, You had
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  Daniel Gafford, Derek Lively, and then Tim Hardaway he had some good games
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  here, and then you even had Geez I went completely Oh, Derek Jones
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  Junior. Derek Jones Junior, he was big in this game too, had
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  twenty two points. So it was the others that stepped up compared to the
• 22:42
  inexperience for the Thunder where that stepped up other than Shay. Shay he got
• 22:48
  his buckets and he was on fire. I believe he had twenty two in
• 22:52
  the first half if I'm not mistaken. But but yeah, I just feel
• 22:57
  like this really showed here you need a secondary shot creator next to Shay because
• 23:04
  at the end of the day, he's gonna be guarded heavily and somebody else
• 23:07
  is going to be relied on to take a shot, and the Mavericks had
• 23:11
  that. Yeah, I I think a lot of it's kind of the same
• 23:17
  as the New York Knicks. Not entirely, but when you rely too much
• 23:21
  on one person to facilitate everything's gonna hurt your team in the long run.
• 23:25
  In this game, the thunder were up by sixteen points going coming out of
• 23:29
  the coming out of halftime. But I understand all the other guys had big
• 23:33
  games, had stepped up and played well in these series. But when it
• 23:37
  mattered the most, that's when Kyrie Irving took over. Not Luke Luca Don
• 23:41
  just had his own, don't get me wrong, But when it came down
• 23:45
  to get into the rim facilitating open shots, it was it was Kyrie Irving
• 23:49
  quite a bit in the cunch time moments. Lucas always gonna get his twenty
• 23:52
  nine points Tennis is ten rebounds. But the fact that you have someone next
• 23:56
  to you that can take that amount of pressure, especially in stream, amount
• 24:00
  of pressure that Kyri Ervey can take off of somebody that's gonna go a long
• 24:03
  way. But who I want to get props to in this in this last
• 24:07
  games Game seven specifically is Derek Lively. Is Derek Lively Junior. He went
• 24:12
  crazy in the in the in that fourth quarter getting big rebounds. He had
• 24:17
  fifteen in the entire game. He went to the free throw a lounge to
• 24:21
  free throw line a couple of times, got a couple got I believe two
• 24:23
  and ones or one and one, and then like he he made some he
• 24:29
  got some big boards to in the game, and I think that was really
• 24:32
  the difference because he, to be honest, no one, no one on
• 24:36
  the on this Oklahoma City team was out rebounding him in that fourth quarter.
• 24:40
  And that's I think what made the difference. Yeah, yeah, it it
• 24:45
  did. And just one more thing I want to say is as far as
• 24:49
  from the Oklahoma City Thunder, they definitely do have a bright future. But
• 24:56
  I would feel no more comfortable personally me as far as and chet Holmgren at
• 25:00
  the four, he's more of a stretch for here. I feel like not
• 25:03
  being able to crash the glass and them being bullied, them being bullied in
• 25:07
  the paint was the biggest reason this series and ended up in their favor here.
• 25:14
  And and yes, I know they were the number one seed and they
• 25:18
  shot amazing from three in the entirety of even the postseason two, but that's
• 25:23
  what it really matters. Playoff basketball, it's just a little bit different.
• 25:26
  And that was the biggest thing. I don't know exactly as far as which
• 25:30
  guys you could get potentially potentially a Brook Lopez, but he may be expensive,
• 25:37
  or maybe you could even go Laurie Markinen just another seven foot of there,
• 25:41
  because I know he's going to be a free agent or a trade target.
• 25:44
  Martenstein's a free agent. Oh he's a free agent. I thought he
• 25:48
  had one more year. No, he's a free agent. Okay, Oh
• 25:52
  no, Well that would be a good move somebody right there who could protect
• 25:56
  the rim and just having another big man there, because if I'm yeah,
• 26:02
  they didn't have really any other big man. The second biggest guy was Kenrich
• 26:06
  Williams or Jay Dubb and obviously they're Jonas valentiunas. That would be a good
• 26:12
  one right there. But yeah, that that was the biggest different free agent.
• 26:17
  Also, So don't you think you'd be or want to be a starter
• 26:22
  somewhere? Oh yeah, Well, well, if they're gonna put him at
• 26:27
  the five and move Check to the four, he would be the starter.
• 26:30
  No, yeah, and they would that's move like Josh Getty. I'm assuming
• 26:38
  Josh like that. They would probably move yeah or so what yeah, the
• 26:47
  to the bench and make him a six man. Yeah, would be Shay
• 26:52
  lou Dort, j Dubb, then Chet and then Nick Claxton or Harvenstein,
• 26:57
  Jonas valentiunas. I would like that. I would like that lineup a lot
• 27:02
  better. That's a good lineup right there. That's a solid lineup. Yeah,
• 27:06
  that's that's a solid lineup. But I don't know if you have anything
• 27:10
  else you want to take away from this series right here, or if you
• 27:14
  want to just get into predictions here we can get into predictions, all right,
• 27:19
  which one you want to start off with first? I think we should
• 27:22
  start off with this game that's going on first, So don't get a little
• 27:26
  bit of biased, all right, let's do it, okay. So yet,
• 27:30
  Yes, I know the Pacers and Celtics are playing right now, and
• 27:33
  well it's only an eight point game, but this is barely game one.
• 27:37
  It could go entirely different ways. But oh, I think that I think
• 27:44
  that the Boston Celtics are gonna win this series, and they're gonna win this
• 27:48
  series pretty Oh my goodness, Miles trying to just damn Okay, Anyways,
• 27:55
  back on point, Yeah, I just think that the Boston Celtics they're gonna
• 27:59
  just dominate this series. It sounds weird. It's gonna be a dominating six
• 28:06
  six games, I know, And the reason I'm saying that is because the
• 28:08
  Pacers, they're a very good home team, and I can see them winning
• 28:14
  a couple games at home. But I know the Boston Celtics they have some
• 28:18
  home struggles, but I think they're just gonna get it done because compared to
• 28:22
  the New York Knicks, I guess you had Jalen Brunson, who was potentially
• 28:26
  a higher Ceiland than Jason Tatum, Jaylen Brown anybody else they have. But
• 28:30
  they're just a better defensive team, better overall offense, and they're not as
• 28:34
  dependent on one player, and they could switch whenever Christaps gets back. They
• 28:40
  could switch pretty much one through four and sometimes five depending on Christops. And
• 28:47
  I think just the biggest thing is the Pacers they like to get out in
• 28:51
  transition, but the Boston Celtics they have been the best transition defense in the
• 28:56
  entire playoffs. So it's strength versus strength there, and I just think half
• 29:00
  court offensively, defensively, the Boston Celtics. Celtics are better and they have
• 29:06
  more experience. I know that experience hasn't tended to catch up with the Pacers
• 29:11
  yet, but I think this is a series where it happens. Yeah,
• 29:18
  I completely agree. We were talking about it a little bit last night when
• 29:21
  we were on the phone about how much they would win. I think I
• 29:22
  think it's gonna be a dominating six Also, I think there's gonna be games
• 29:26
  that the Celtics win and they're not gonna be closed. But I do think
• 29:29
  with the pitchers having such a strong offense, I think you do think they
• 29:32
  can pull out a couple wins, but it's just gonna be too much to
• 29:34
  keep up with a team like the Celtics, who basically is the probably the
• 29:38
  best roster from start to finish in the entire NBA. Besides having like a
• 29:42
  dominant big man, it's just they play great defense. If they're hitting their
• 29:48
  threes like they like they do, because they take the most threes in the
• 29:49
  entire NBA. They're a hard team to compete with, and they've been a
• 29:53
  hard team to compete with in the East. Is just what can you do
• 29:57
  to keep up? I think that's really what the answer is. I think
• 30:00
  the Pacers are capable of maybe keeping up, but for over a whole seven
• 30:04
  game series, I just don't see it happening. And I think it's I
• 30:07
  think it's gonna be the Pacers and six. Also, I mean the Celtics
• 30:11
  and stick also okay, Celtics, I'm okay, okay, no chances round
• 30:22
  Pacers and six, David now, but I just think the Pacers they have
• 30:27
  this very slim chance, and it's the Boston Celtics going back to the old
• 30:32
  tendancies, which is they still do shoot a lot of threes and in this
• 30:37
  postseason. But one thing that I've liked, yes, Jason Tatum. He
• 30:40
  might not have had these crazy outbursts just those last two games against the Calves,
• 30:45
  but he's been consistently driving to the rack and kicking out for the open
• 30:51
  threes. He's playing good basketball and whenever they need a bucket, he's getting
• 30:55
  to the line. He's going or he's trying to get his offense and in
• 30:59
  rhythm. And one thing that I'm really appreciating. I know he's been a
• 31:03
  great defender this entire time, but he's really stepped up to the play in
• 31:08
  these first two series guarding one through four. And I think potentially he could
• 31:14
  even guard Miles Turner here because maybe there's a pick and pop action with ty
• 31:19
  Reese and Miles Turner. You could switch that because jt he won't get bullied,
• 31:25
  So I don't think I've been I've been looking at it. So,
• 31:30
  yes, Jason Tatum, he might not have had these crazy Jaylen Bruns and
• 31:34
  Anthony Edwards type of games, but he's been this solid guy consistently. He's
• 31:40
  shown up every single night, getting you at least twenty points, getting you
• 31:44
  at least at least six to seven assists, and he's playing great defense.
• 31:48
  And then you're having your other guys contributing. So yeah, I think it's
• 31:52
  gonna go exactly that way. And actually we give out awards for the Eastern
• 31:59
  Conference and West in Conference. What is it? This one's a Larry Bird
• 32:02
  Trophy, right or something like that. Yeah, the Larry Bird and then
• 32:07
  the West is the Magic Johnson? Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,
• 32:09
  is it Magic Johnson. I believe it's Magic Johnson. So I think the
• 32:15
  Larry Bird Trophy is gonna go to just because he's gonna have a higher scoring
• 32:19
  output. Is Jaylen Brown? That's what I think. And I don't know
• 32:24
  how you or whould you predict or who you would predict. Yeah, it's
• 32:32
  gonna be one or the other. I think I think I can see Jaylen
• 32:37
  Brown winning it. But I think, or honestly, a sleeper could be
• 32:42
  Derek White the way he's been playing this entire, this entire playoffs. I
• 32:45
  don't know, so they Celtics player. Yeah, right now, I'm going
• 32:52
  Al Horford. I'm just kidding. Probably I'm gonna go with Jason Tatum just
• 32:55
  on the safe side. I think I think this is the series where he
• 32:58
  finally kind of steps up a little bit, gets back into them offensively,
• 33:00
  and then loses in the losers in the championship. But you know it's gonna
• 33:06
  it's gonna happen this series. So I yeah, I'm gonna give it to
• 33:10
  Jason Tatum for that that little Eastern Conference trophy. Yeah okay, so yeah,
• 33:16
  Like I was mentioning, as far as the best case scenario for the
• 33:21
  Indiana Pacers, it's gonna be Pascal Siakam and Miles Turner trying to bully ball
• 33:29
  the Celtics while Chris Stops is out, so potentially winning one game here in
• 33:34
  Boston, then winning your home games and then after that. Yeah, oh
• 33:40
  that's too Oh oh it was shot clock violation. I thought he just missed.
• 33:45
  Yeah, oh yeah, I think we're not We're not at the wait
• 33:52
  is Jayson Tatum dribbling right now for you? He just I'm at seven twenty
• 33:58
  five right now. Oh dang, dude, I have a whole minute ahead
• 34:01
  of you. Bro. How are you a whole minute ahead of me?
• 34:07
  Oh? It's because I fell behind when it cooks. Oh my goodness.
• 34:14
  All right, you need to jump to live or what? Yeah? I
• 34:17
  just need to jump to live. That's why I was wondering while so much
• 34:21
  behind. Okay, now it's six eleven. It's a timeout on the it's
• 34:25
  a time. Are you at, Jason watching this Jason Tatum highlight? Yeah?
• 34:29
  Okay, yeah, I'm watching this highlight? Okay pass by? Oh
• 34:32
  okay, okay, yeah it was I wanted to react harder, but you
• 34:37
  weren't there, and I was like, nah, I want him to see
• 34:40
  it for himself. Nah, okay, yeah, no, I think eventually
• 34:47
  we're at the same spot. Yeah. Yeah, now we're at the same
• 34:51
  spot. Now we're on pace. I think that Jason Tatum, Okay,
• 34:58
  you're ahead, Okay, you're head. I'm I think, oh my goodness,
• 35:06
  I just barely saw that. Right now. They're just Miles Turner the
• 35:10
  next one. No way, no way, this happened? What no way,
• 35:16
  Louke Cornett, no way, ain't no way, nah Nah, ain't
• 35:22
  no way, no way nah. But yeah, that's the Pacers best case
• 35:29
  scenario is a sniper. Now you're good. It's as far as Pascal and
• 35:37
  Miles Turner being able to take advantage of the mismatches. And like you mentioned,
• 35:44
  I barely saw this three yeah, and this is what's keeping this game
• 35:46
  close right here, just based off of this game right here, the Boston
• 35:50
  Celtics, I guess we could kind of give a quick preview into what we've
• 35:53
  been seeing. So Miles Turner already has eighteen points, so that's gonna be
• 35:59
  the biggest thing. Can Moles Turner and Pascal Siakam be aggressive because that's going
• 36:04
  to be the mismatches there, and Syrey's Halliburn, He's going to do his
• 36:07
  thing. The biggest thing is just defensively, can they hold up defensively?
• 36:13
  And maybe they can, And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised, or not
• 36:21
  necessarily, I wouldn't be surprised. I would be surprised. But the Pacers
• 36:23
  could potentially flip this series around and win five and six with how dominant their
• 36:28
  offense has been in the postseason. That's that's how much of a flip there
• 36:32
  could really be. So that's so crazy. Back to back dunks right there
• 36:37
  from Miles Turner than Louke Cornette. That's retarded, Bro, no way,
• 36:43
  But but yeah, so did you want to move on to this other series
• 36:51
  right here? Yeah, let's get into the nitty gritty of this one.
• 36:55
  One, okay one, Yeah, this one's going to be a damn goodies
• 37:00
  right here. So it's the Dallas Mavericks versus Yeah, yeah, you're back.
• 37:07
  Yeah, it's the Dallas Mavericks versus the Minnesota Timberwolves. Yeah, but
• 37:14
  yeah, right, you're right, Josh, Minnesota Timberwolves, Dallas Mavericks,
• 37:17
  Anthony Edwards, Luka, Doncic, Karl Anthony Towns, Kyrie Irving. Who's
• 37:22
  winning this series? And why? Kyle Anderson, Bro, don't forget the
• 37:28
  boy. Oh yeah, Kyle Anderson, Kyle Anderson and Josh Green the epic
• 37:32
  matchup. Yep. I'm not going for another Texas team. I'm not going
• 37:38
  for the Mavericks. Three series in a row, not happening. It's not
• 37:42
  in my blood to do that. I'm a Spurs fan. I can't do
• 37:45
  that. So give me the Timberwolves in six games. In six games,
• 37:52
  Okay, why is that games? Why do you believe that? Right there?
• 37:58
  I do think they have the defense to be able. They have the
• 38:00
  interior to be able to keep up with the Mavericks to shut them down just
• 38:05
  a little bit. Okay, I don't know, Daniel Gaffer, Derek Lively.
• 38:10
  I'm taking rid of Americ Karl Anthony Towns every single time. That's just
• 38:14
  I'm taking that matchup. I get the Anthony Edwards Luke is gonna be or
• 38:19
  Anthony Edwards versus Kyrie is gonna be a little tough because one of those guys
• 38:22
  is gonna get their own against the Jada McDaniels or a Nikkill Walker Alexander but
• 38:28
  even to Mike Conley at this point in his career. But I'm just gonna
• 38:31
  go with the timber Wolves. I think the Timberwolves, they beat the defending
• 38:34
  champs, they beat a KD led team with Devin Booker and Bradley Will pretty
• 38:39
  decisively. I do think they have what it takes to secure to secure another
• 38:44
  series win and get to the championship. And that's why I'm gonna go with
• 38:46
  the Minnesota timber Wolves and so I was debating back and coaching on a messed
• 38:55
  up me. Right now, I'm going with Chris Finch dog he has that
• 38:59
  he has that that dog mentality. Well, well, you're not wrong,
• 39:05
  but I don't know. I've been debating back and forth between this entire entire
• 39:10
  series when it first got lined up, because they're both pretty evenly matched,
• 39:16
  and that's the scariest thing for me. I kind of hinted at it a
• 39:21
  little bit earlier, is that Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving have not had an
• 39:24
  eight plus series yet and they've made it to the Western Conference Finals. And
• 39:30
  I think this is a series where it's gonna happen. I think that the
• 39:35
  Dallas Mavericks I went into four. I'm just kidding now. I think the
• 39:38
  Mavericks are winning in in seven games. This is going all seven. This
• 39:43
  is going in all seven games. And yes, as far as the Sinners
• 39:46
  match up, kar Anthony Towns, Ridy Gobert nas reed, that's definitely better
• 39:51
  than Derek Livey and and Daniel Gafford. But this is an entirely different team
• 39:55
  here. The the Denver Nuggets ran their offense around Nikola Jokic and Jamal Murray.
• 40:05
  The Dallas Mavericks they run there just freaking Peyton Richard. Okay, let
• 40:09
  me see this really quick. Oh no, that's nasty, and that Okay,
• 40:16
  that's nasty. That's nasty. No. But like I was saying,
• 40:21
  the Dallas Mavericks they run their offense through Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving, so
• 40:24
  guard heavy. Well you can say, okay, well, Jaden McDaniels to
• 40:29
  kill Alexander Walker, Anthony Edwards. They're all there. They're good perimeter defenders.
• 40:34
  At the end of the day, these guys are They're gonna get their
• 40:37
  buckets no matter what. And I just think this is where experience kicks in.
• 40:42
  And I just think even though role players are better in my opinion in
• 40:45
  Dallas, I think PJ. Washington, Dereck Jones Jr. Even Tim Hardaway
• 40:51
  how he looked in this last last one. And I know I'm forgetting a
• 40:53
  couple names here, but I just think that the Dallas Mavericks role players are
• 41:00
  better here. And the star power. Yes, Anthony Edwards, he's been
• 41:04
  playing up to this level, but he's not a Luka Doncic, Kyrie or
• 41:07
  Karl Anthony Towns has been playing very good, but he's not at the Kyrie
• 41:13
  Irving level. And this is just where your star players are gonna have to
• 41:16
  show up. And that's what's gonna happen. MAVs and seven either way,
• 41:22
  I see this going six to seven games no matter who wins. These teams
• 41:25
  are too talented here and the Pacers they just tied up the game here,
• 41:30
  damn. But but yeah, and as far as the magic Johnson Trophy winner,
• 41:38
  because that's what it is. I looked it up. It's a magic
• 41:40
  Johnson Trophy. I think that this is gonna go to I'm I know this
• 41:50
  is an easy answer, but it's gonna be Luka Doncic, Luka Doncic.
• 41:54
  Again, he hasn't had a great series yet and this is where it's gonna
• 42:00
  happen. I am very confident in saying that. If I had to put
• 42:05
  some money down, which I don't have much, but I put I put
• 42:08
  a lot into it. As far as as far as Luka Danci is winning
• 42:14
  this, winning this MVP or whatever it is, magic Johnson Trophy, So
• 42:19
  yeah, who would be yours? Because you have the Wolves though it Well,
• 42:24
  if I had a lot of money, I would put Anthony Edwards pretty
• 42:29
  easily for the Timberwolves. I don't think there's another option. I mean,
• 42:32
  I get Kat could go off, Rudy Gobert can have a great defensive series.
• 42:37
  Even nas Reed could have a big series. We don't know. But
• 42:39
  I do think that Anthony Edwards is gonna step up when the when the lights
• 42:43
  are the brightest. He has done it. I think he I think he
• 42:45
  lives for these moments. I think he lives to like go against the best
• 42:50
  and prove that he's better. I don't I'm not saying he's better. Don't
• 42:52
  I'm not doing that. Not doing that, don't call me. But I
• 42:54
  think he lives for the moments to prove you're saying he's better category yeah,
• 43:00
  no, no, but but I hate that freaking foult Like, I just
• 43:07
  don't hate that. But no, I do think he lives for the moments
• 43:14
  to prove that he's in a certain category of NBA players now. And I
• 43:17
  think he's gonna He's gonna do that in this series. WHOA. That makes
• 43:22
  sense in my opinion because Anthony Edwards he did play up to the level of
• 43:27
  Nikola Jokis throughout the entirety of this series here and nicolea Jokid. In my
• 43:32
  opinion, he's the best player in the league. But Luca's not too far
• 43:36
  off, like like we were, like we talked about the other day,
• 43:38
  Luca's not too far off. So yeah, but they're definitely gonna have to
• 43:45
  They're definitely gonna have to step up and defensively the last twenty games and in
• 43:50
  this postseason, the Dallas Mattericks, they've had a better defense even than the
• 43:53
  Minnesota Timberwolves. So I honestly think these games here, Josh, they're gonna
• 44:00
  be one oh five, one ten at highest. Yeah, they're gonna be
• 44:06
  dogfights, and it's gonna be real rough and aggressive and aggressive series dog fights.
• 44:12
  But I don't know if you have anything else you want to say before
• 44:15
  we get into the All NBA teams or not your disregard what I said or
• 44:22
  did you not hear me. I didn't hear what you said. I'm not
• 44:25
  gonna lie to you. No, we'll keep it moving, Okay, Yeah,
• 44:31
  let's just let's just keep it moving then. But all right, All
• 44:37
  NBA Defense first team. So it's not okay, I don't know why it's
• 44:45
  taken forever for it to load. Okay, there goes, so obviously this
• 44:49
  is possessionless. Here you had Victor Wibin Yama, Herb Jones, bam Adebayo,
• 44:53
  Rudy Gobert, and Anthony Davis. Do you agree with this first team
• 44:59
  list? I agree that every player should have made it in the first team.
• 45:04
  They had an argument, and there's no arguments for me. I think,
• 45:07
  yeah, I think, Well, we talk enough about Ridy Gobert and
• 45:09
  Victor Woman on this podcast. Yeah, we talked Anthony Davis. We've had
• 45:14
  high praise the entire season. Bam Bam gets his he doesn't get talked about
• 45:17
  enough. But I do think like the Herb jonesick is not a not a
• 45:22
  popular opinion. It's not a popular choice casual NBA fans, But for the
• 45:27
  ones I do know, he's like the next Tony Allen. He's the next
• 45:29
  Tony Allen of this generation? Mm hmmm, are you bear the game?
• 45:35
  No? That Derek White step back three was disgusting. Oh as soon as
• 45:38
  I said that you like rip, I was like, I don't know,
• 45:42
  I think that's I saw that. I'm like, what the hell is Derek
• 45:46
  White doing? Bro thinks he's James Harden. It's a pretty fair comparison.
• 45:52
  I was like, my fault, my fault, No, but her Herb
• 45:58
  Jones and Antonio. I think that's a great Paris and stays NBA and he
• 46:00
  plays solid defense for the New Orleans Pelicans, So there's no arguments for me.
• 46:05
  I do have a we are we gonna get into the second team a
• 46:07
  little bit or no? Yeah, okay, well then when we after we
• 46:12
  get into the second team, then I'll give my opinion on the position.
• 46:15
  This thing, I'm not a big fan of it. Did you see Tyres
• 46:20
  Haliburton hit that three from almost thirty feet? I was reading the freaking I
• 46:25
  was reading and dogging, Oh my god, this has been a solid first
• 46:30
  half. No way, I'm not gonna lie. Sixty four sixty four Okay,
• 46:35
  I'm not gonna lie to you if this is highest scoring like this this
• 46:39
  entire series. This favor is the Pacers. Yeah, this favorite and seven
• 46:45
  Pacers and seven Rocket what's the highlight? What's highlight? Bro? He was
• 46:54
  half court? He was half court. I'm looking at Marcus mos right now.
• 47:06
  God sake it now. But as far as why are they showing Marcus
• 47:12
  Morris, It's the most random player they could have picked. You could have
• 47:19
  showed Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce. You showed Marcus Morris no direspect to him.
• 47:23
  But personally me, Herb Jones was a great defender, but I would
• 47:29
  have preferred Jalen Suggs over over him. And I know that's nitpicking here,
• 47:36
  but or let's go in and get into second team defense. The second team
• 47:39
  defense, it was Drew Holliday, shout out to the Goat, Alex Caruso,
• 47:45
  Derek White, Jaden McDaniels, and Jalen Suggs. So the first team
• 47:51
  it was more forwards and sinners. This one it's more guards here. So
• 47:55
  how do you feel about that? Do you feel like that's wrong since it's
• 47:59
  now the first time it being positionless or are you okay with that? Yeah?
• 48:06
  I don't think I'm okay with it. I think we can do three.
• 48:08
  I think we could do two guards, a guard or a guard or
• 48:13
  forward center like one spot and then the other two spots are forward's last sinners.
• 48:17
  You know, I think that's how it should be. I don't think
• 48:19
  it should be this open. So the I guest it's the five best,
• 48:24
  but it's a team like I still think team, you know, I don't.
• 48:29
  I think if we're throwing the best, that's for the complete award.
• 48:32
  You know, yeah, that's fair, that's making any sense. But I
• 48:37
  do think it's I think there are some guards who should get recognition on the
• 48:40
  first team. Which guards would you have put Drew Holiday? Okay, well,
• 48:52
  Herb Jones I think would have got that third spot for me. I
• 48:53
  think I would have moved off a D. Honestly, No, I would
• 48:59
  have kept a D and then had her Holiday record. Mm hmmm. I
• 49:06
  would have moved Bam to second team. You know, this is the first
• 49:08
  time Bam He's made uh first team All NBA Defense for real? Yeah,
• 49:17
  this is crazy. Yeah, I mean no, but who's if who's gonna
• 49:22
  get off the first team? It's Herb Jones or Bam mm hmm okay,
• 49:28
  yeah, but it's it's tough to decide. It's really tough to decide because
• 49:32
  Bam can guard all five. Herb Jones he could guard all four. So
• 49:38
  yeah, I think it's just it's at the point where the forwards and sinners
• 49:44
  they're so what's what's the word resourceful as far as they could guard any position.
• 49:50
  Now Victor can guard any position. Rudy he's shown in a lot of
• 49:55
  stretches to guard one through five, same with a D. Herb Jones already
• 50:00
  talked about it and then bam. So yeah, but let's go in and
• 50:04
  get into the first all NBA rookie team. So obviously you have Victor w
• 50:08
  Winbin Yama, Brandon Pozemski. Yes, I had a practice saying that,
• 50:14
  Brandon Miller, Chet Holmgren, and Jimi Hakes Junior. So I know we
• 50:21
  really didn't talk much about rookies here, but do you agree with this list?
• 50:28
  Yeah? I completely agree. I don't think there's any changes I would
• 50:31
  I would make to this Victor woman Yamuch at Home Green. There was that
• 50:34
  debate at the beginning of the season, which there shouldn't have been, and
• 50:37
  then and then Chet and him were just to be clear cut top two rookies
• 50:40
  in this entire Well he wasn't even in this class. Chet is a anomaly.
• 50:45
  Well he was hurt. So so with haimay No, I don't want
• 50:51
  to hear that. I don't want to hear that. I don't want hear
• 50:52
  that. I get it, but I don't think. I don't think players
• 50:58
  who get hurt year one and it's for Joelanbiad. Also, this is for
• 51:00
  other players that have done it like I do. I'm not just bargaining because
• 51:05
  check. I think being around an NBA system for an entire year and playing
• 51:08
  in an NBA practices and watching game film with NBA players and going through a
• 51:14
  whole two offseasons, I do think that's an advantage. I do think that's
• 51:17
  a clear advantage to getting prepared for the NBA and getting counted as a rookie
• 51:22
  in your second year. I don't think that should that should be a thing.
• 51:24
  I don't know if you agree, but I think that's a I think
• 51:27
  that I don't think it should be a thing. But as far as Brandon
• 51:30
  Miller, Brandon Miller was, he stepped up a little bit a couple of
• 51:34
  times when Brandon when LaMelo Ball was out, he had some good offensive game.
• 51:37
  Hamat Yakis became a good shooter role player from them, he and Brandon
• 51:39
  Potziinski. He stepped up big in that second half of the season when Klay
• 51:44
  Thompson started kind of falling, stopped being kind of Klay Thompson a little bit,
• 51:49
  and he kind of stepped into that role of of a of a good
• 51:52
  role player, good offensive player for the Golden State Warriors. So I agree
• 51:55
  completely with the first team, so I don't want to The only one I
• 52:02
  could potentially argue is Derek Lively being on the first team. But yeah,
• 52:08
  yeah, that that's the only one that I could that I could say.
• 52:14
  But as far as the second team, I'm gonna go ahead and list this,
• 52:16
  so Keyante, George, Derek Lively, Caseen Wallace, AMN, Tom
• 52:21
  Thompson, and then Gigi Jackson. The third overall pick, Scoot Henderson.
• 52:24
  He did not make the list. So I feel like there's not really many
• 52:30
  stories with the second all NBA rookie because nobody really knows that much about the
• 52:37
  rookies unless they're the high class names. But just this is a side topic
• 52:42
  right here. Do you expect Scoot to bounce back after a tough rookie year?
• 52:49
  Damn? I hope he does. I like he was the player on
• 52:52
  G League Nite like bro, he was a good player. I expected a
• 52:55
  lot from Scoot Henderson, like like for a little bit, I'm not lie.
• 53:00
  I was his first man. I was like, oh, if we
• 53:01
  don't get wimby, I hope we get screwed. Like I really was like
• 53:06
  that was my real like like thinking like Scoot Henderson. Yeah, I get
• 53:09
  we don't get the opportunity of getting with the room Minyama, but if we
• 53:13
  get the opportunity to get Scoot Henderson, I guess it's it's not Victor,
• 53:15
  but it's still a good a still solid player who would have been a number
• 53:20
  one overall pick in any other draft in my opinion, Like he could have
• 53:22
  been arguing the number one pick and any other draft. So it's just I
• 53:27
  don't know what happened this year. I don't know if it was just him
• 53:30
  transitioning to the high paced NBA level or if it was just like the team,
• 53:35
  the system. But he is gonna have to have a big year because
• 53:37
  it's gonna start looking like bus Territory, especially with the hype that he had
• 53:40
  before Brandon Miller kind of started stepping into a little bit more of a bigger
• 53:44
  role at Alabama. Yeah, and I do expect for him to bounce back.
• 53:50
  I just think it was just a tough year for him, just transitioning.
• 53:54
  I'm not saying he's gonna go and average twenty points a game now,
• 53:58
  but I can maybe see fifteen fifteen points a game something like that. Maybe
• 54:04
  he is not as a high selling as we thought. He was like a
• 54:07
  Russell Westbrook type of mold somebody like that. But I still felt like he
• 54:13
  could be a good player in the NBA. But well, okay, I'm
• 54:19
  gonna get a little bit of a second team I do. I don't know.
• 54:21
  I didn't watch enough of GG Jackson to like, no, like what
• 54:25
  like to argue anything about him. So I'm gonnaave Lill and Cason Wallace.
• 54:30
  Really, I think it was more me paying attention to the other Thunder players
• 54:31
  instead of Cason Wallace. But as far as Kiante George, Derek Lively,
• 54:36
  and Aman Thompson, I think they had very solid rookie years. Kiante George
• 54:39
  being a big three point shooter for the Utah Jazz, I think he stepped
• 54:43
  up very well. I think he became like a good solid point guard for
• 54:45
  them, especially for a future. I think he can he can. He
• 54:49
  can work his way up into being like a great, a good player.
• 54:52
  I'm not saying great, but a good player in the NBA. Derek Lively,
• 54:53
  I think he's gonna be a starter next year. I think he's gonna
• 54:57
  a consistent starter next year. I think he's gonna take a big jump.
• 55:00
  I expect a lot from Derek. Likeley, he showed a lot of promise
• 55:02
  stretching on the board defensively. His offensive game needs a little bit of work,
• 55:07
  but I think that just comes with time and experience, and I think
• 55:09
  once he gets that going, it's he's going to be a great player in
• 55:13
  this league. And I'm in Thompson has all the athleticism, he has a
• 55:15
  team around him to be able to grow a little bit better. So I
• 55:22
  can't disagree with those three players at all. Yeah, if even if you
• 55:25
  did argue Gigi Jackson, the only real argument is that he only played I
• 55:30
  think he played under fifty games. And maybe you could say Tray Shackson Davis.
• 55:36
  That's a whole way. That rule doesn't apply to teams well, to
• 55:40
  rookies. To the rookies. Oh okay, Yeah, I like Trace Jackson
• 55:45
  honestly, So that's someone I would argue on the first team. It's because
• 55:50
  the rookies there's not that much of a pool, so it would kind of
• 55:54
  be a default by default award, if that makes sense. So Jackson didn't
• 56:00
  make a second I am I think the second team I think he was one
• 56:06
  vote away. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was one to two
• 56:08
  votes. Who eight, But because I think he played very well for that
• 56:12
  he was one of I was high on him on the Warriors. I don't,
• 56:15
  I don't really. Yeah, I'm gonna email the NBA after this.
• 56:20
  Yeah, you're gonna email Adam Silver to put him back on. No.
• 56:23
  But all right now onto a little bit more fun topics here. So top
• 56:32
  five lists right here. This is just off the cusp right here. Off.
• 56:38
  We didn't do much preparing for this topic right here because we wanted to
• 56:45
  be more free flowing right here. Top five most of the game in the
• 56:51
  playoffs, as far as players remaining here, okay, So, so okay,
• 56:59
  I got I got at least number one for me here. Okay,
• 57:02
  I don't know if you got your number one? Did you want to go
• 57:05
  first? My number one is going to be Anthony Edwards. And here's why.
• 57:09
  Here is why he's number one for me. I think if he wins
• 57:14
  a championship with the popularity that he's gaining right now, basically he's jumping clear
• 57:21
  cut to the number one spot. I think I don't think Nicola Joki is
• 57:23
  just as popular as Anthony Edwards, especially social media wise. I don't think
• 57:27
  Jayson Tatum's even close as popular as Anthony Edwards. I don't think a lot
• 57:30
  of Luca may be the closest, but I get it. Anthony Edwards being
• 57:35
  an American horton player like nothing taken away from Luca. It's just gonna be
• 57:38
  different of a different push for an Anthony Edwards within the United States as compared
• 57:45
  to a Luca Daunts And I think that's why winning a championship for him,
• 57:47
  it's not gonna do much with on court play, even though he's a great
• 57:52
  on core player. It's gonna do more off court with how much eye sponsorships,
• 57:54
  how much commercials he's going to be in, how much what he's gonna
• 57:59
  receive off the court winning a championships compared to other players. Yeah, Okay,
• 58:05
  that's a really good talking point right here. But he's gonna have to
• 58:09
  slide to the next spot for me, because I feel like this is clear
• 58:14
  cut for me, it's Luka Doncic, Luka Doncic. After last year,
• 58:20
  everybody was bashing him, saying he's not a winning player, even though they
• 58:23
  made the Western Conference finals. A year before average thirty four, eleven and
• 58:29
  nine. Nobody even discussed him for MVP. Nobody has even mentioned him for
• 58:35
  best player in the league. They've always said it's either Jokic or Jannis or
• 58:39
  now they're even stepping Anthony Edwards above him. But this is where he's like,
• 58:45
  hold on, hold on, hold on, do you know who I
• 58:46
  am? Do you know who I am? And another stat that I remember
• 58:52
  I sent Josh is that Luka Doncic has never been a favorite in any playoff
• 58:59
  series, including this one right here, and he probably wouldn't be a favorite
• 59:02
  against the Celtics either. So he has exceeded expectations every single time other than
• 59:13
  last year. Every every other season he's exceeded expectations. And if he does
• 59:17
  that again, going on a revenge tour, having one of the best statistical
• 59:22
  or just seasons in general by any player, he's gonna have to be crown
• 59:28
  best player in the league. He may not have the popularity as at but
• 59:31
  for damn sure he'll have that title. So I'm pretty sure we made cases
• 59:38
  for one and two, right like this was my number one went out with
• 59:45
  Luca. Okay, yeah, yea, yeah, okay, So two for
• 59:49
  me, Luca, Luca on court more than off court. You know,
• 59:52
  like on court Lucas I guess you, yeah, player in the NA if
• 59:58
  you watch him play, so he gets ring. There's no doubt. It's
• 1:00:00
  the argument. Is Luca or Yoga. That's the that's the argument right there,
• 1:00:05
  is Luca or Jokic because this creer how the game is changing. International
• 1:00:07
  players are the two best players in the NBA. It's probably it's going to
• 1:00:10
  be like that for a while with international players. But I do think Luca
• 1:00:15
  winning a championship, especially with the what was said, and honestly, I
• 1:00:20
  was hoping they lose this year because that would have been a better chance of
• 1:00:22
  him getting traded. I'm the same to those furs that would have been closer.
• 1:00:24
  We have all the drafted. Okay, you don't know, you don't
• 1:00:30
  know, we don't know. It's just a hypothetical trade. Hey it is.
• 1:00:40
  That's what it is. That will never happens exactly, but goo ahead,
• 1:00:47
  goohd no. But they were there was a lot of talk talking about
• 1:00:51
  Luca can't get it done, he can't be the number one option, he
• 1:00:53
  can't he last year not even making the playoffs, and then this year there
• 1:00:59
  was a lot riding on him. But if he wins a ring averaging thirty
• 1:01:04
  six eleven, ten and nine, eleven and nine plus finishing, he should
• 1:01:08
  have been, in my opinion, the MVP. But yeah, if he
• 1:01:14
  wins a ring, it's one. It's argument for best player in the NBA
• 1:01:17
  and one of the best seasons ever. I know, MVP, it's not
• 1:01:22
  crowned upon it, but he had real, a real shot for MVP,
• 1:01:28
  because maybe you could argue twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, Bron obviously Sho in
• 1:01:35
  the NBA, LUCA, he was number one by far. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:01:42
  okay, Well I don't know why I was thinking Joel and beat in
• 1:01:44
  my head, but he got hurt most of the season's Yeah, the second
• 1:01:46
  closest with Shay and he was still three four points off. That's what's crazy.
• 1:01:52
  But yeah, okay, so we argued one and two. I agree
• 1:01:55
  with you as far as at at least being two bare minimum, but number
• 1:02:01
  three for me, it's gonna have to This is gonna sound crazy because it
• 1:02:08
  may seem as this as if this guy doesn't need another boost, But it's
• 1:02:15
  Kyrie Irving for me, Kyrie Irving, he's the third most to gain because
• 1:02:21
  obviously you could say, oh, well, he had to run with Lebron,
• 1:02:24
  but after that there's been a stanch on him, which I don't agree
• 1:02:29
  with. As far as from the media, just on and off the court,
• 1:02:34
  and I'll mention something else to you in a second that we could debate
• 1:02:37
  about. But as far as from the Boston Celtics to the Brooklyn Nets,
• 1:02:43
  then to the Dallas Mavericks, if he wins a ring, even with him
• 1:02:49
  being the number two, he could be the greatest number two option in NBA
• 1:02:53
  history. You could say, okay, Kobe Shaq, but Kobe wasn't a
• 1:02:58
  number two as far as just somebody you knew they They weren't a number one
• 1:03:04
  ever really in their career, but number two. So that's what I would
• 1:03:09
  think. And honestly, this may sound crazy and it may not happen,
• 1:03:15
  but if Kyrie Irving is a big factor in what the Dallas Mavericks do,
• 1:03:22
  I think he's better all time than Dwayne Wade. I think he's a player
• 1:03:30
  than Wade right now. I'm just talking about all time, like you could
• 1:03:36
  add it accolades everything. In my opinion, that's that's just me though.
• 1:03:40
  All time I'm taking Kyrie Irving. But if we're talking pure talent wise,
• 1:03:44
  there's a lot of people that aren't even seeing Kyrie Irving. So let's just
• 1:03:46
  get the talent. Talent that's by far. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:52
  We talked about him being all time and yeah, we talked about him being
• 1:03:58
  like we talked about him being one of the most skilled players ever. So
• 1:04:01
  I feel like that's a given. But who do you have? Number three?
• 1:04:06
  No, but number three. I'm gonna get to Kyrie later, mainly
• 1:04:11
  for the same reason, but right now, number three is Jason Tatum,
• 1:04:14
  and for the wrong reason, because if you don't win a ring, if
• 1:04:19
  you don't win a ring, brother having this team seven seasons five what is
• 1:04:25
  it? Five? Conference championship championships are one championship, one championship one or
• 1:04:31
  two championships? He's been to one. Yeah, he's been a six conference
• 1:04:35
  finals. Right, No, he's been to five because it didn't make it.
• 1:04:42
  Well, he's been a lot. He's been a lot. He's been
• 1:04:44
  a lot done, and he's consistently had consistently been a number one team in
• 1:04:48
  the Eastern Conference, consistently in the playoffs. Getting there has all these expectations
• 1:04:54
  compared to maybe being argued a top five player in the NBA. But you
• 1:04:57
  haven't done nothing. You haven't you don't want iverage. You know, you
• 1:05:00
  don't average a lot of points, you don't do it. I don't know.
• 1:05:03
  Like I'm not a big Jason Tatum fan, and if you don't want
• 1:05:08
  to ring here, I do think that's that's gonna hurt you a little bit
• 1:05:11
  because you're just consistently at the top. Especially the team they have this year.
• 1:05:15
  This team is built to lose. They're not built they're not they're built
• 1:05:17
  to like if they lose with this team, how could they're playing. It's
• 1:05:23
  just it just doesn't make sense to me why Jason Tatum should still be argued
• 1:05:26
  as the number as a number one option on the on the championship team.
• 1:05:30
  Oh okay, that's some bold that's some bold words right there. Who So
• 1:05:38
  I'm putting Jason Tatum here number four and for and for the exact same reasons.
• 1:05:44
  But as far as why dog, why I have him lower then Kyrie
• 1:05:51
  Irving is it's just people that are still not gonna view Jason Tatum in the
• 1:05:59
  right light. They're gonna to say, oh, well, we had this
• 1:06:01
  stack team, and it's still gonna give him a bunch of credit, Don't
• 1:06:04
  get me wrong, But still I think that if anything, it's gonna help
• 1:06:10
  out Jalen Brown, it's gonna help out some of these other guys more than
• 1:06:13
  Jason Tatum. Just sadly how it is. And one thing I want to
• 1:06:17
  say is that Jason Tatum he did a lot of what Anthony Edwards did in
• 1:06:24
  previous postseasons and has made plenty of conference finals and has made the finals.
• 1:06:30
  But Anthony Edwards, He's doing this one year with arguably just as good of
• 1:06:35
  a team as Boston's, and he's getting even more hype and more love.
• 1:06:41
  I know this is his first big postseason run, but still I just hope
• 1:06:46
  that we hold him to the same standards that will holding Jason Tatum to if
• 1:06:51
  he happens to fall short. So yeah, so yeah, that's why I
• 1:06:57
  have Jason Tatum for Who do you have for? Let me think about players
• 1:07:04
  right now, and I think I'm gonna go with Kyrie. Also, I
• 1:07:13
  think Kyrie has lots of game, especially the stigma around him that he's not
• 1:07:16
  a great teammate, he's not a great he doesn't he doesn't want to be
• 1:07:19
  a part of a system. He doesn't want to be coachable. That's just
• 1:07:23
  not the case. I think he's finally starting to be able to just play
• 1:07:26
  basketball on the Dallas Mavericks, no pressure, no outside noise, no people
• 1:07:30
  getting at him for being Martin Luther Irving. You know, it's just he
• 1:07:34
  just has to. He's just balling right now. And another ring. It
• 1:07:39
  does move them. It moves him above a lot of people all time.
• 1:07:42
  He's the most skilled player arguably all time. And I'm not saying, bro,
• 1:07:46
  people are gonna take that the wrong way. But when you watch people
• 1:07:48
  play basketball and you put on highlights of Kyrie Irving, you're not gonna tell
• 1:07:53
  me that guy is probably not the most skilled player. I'm not saying that
• 1:07:56
  he's done it consistently as other players, But if you put on a table,
• 1:08:00
  put on the highlights, I don't think there's more fun of a player
• 1:08:01
  to watch. And Kyrier IRV and I with the ring, with the ring,
• 1:08:06
  that does a lot for him, That solidifies a lot Hall of Fame
• 1:08:10
  career. No one can argue that. And it's just it just it just
• 1:08:14
  helps him in many ways. Honestly, Yeah, no question. So for
• 1:08:20
  number five Right here, this one, I was very torn between two people,
• 1:08:26
  and I'll go ahead and list them. It was between Tyrese Halliburton and
• 1:08:30
  Rudy Gobert. So as far as who it's more meaningful full two, I
• 1:08:40
  feel like I'm gonna go and put him number five. I'm gonna say Tyre's
• 1:08:43
  Halliburton. Rudy Gobert, He's had an established career, He's had an established
• 1:08:48
  career, four defensive player of the years. He's gonna make the Hall of
• 1:08:51
  Fame. Whether or not he wins a championship or not, Tyre's Halliburton has
• 1:08:58
  a chance to put himself in and to uncharted territory. As far as complete
• 1:09:04
  underdog, the sixth seed, I believe make it all the way in an
• 1:09:09
  unprecedented finals run, beating the Milwaukee Bucks whether they were healthy or not,
• 1:09:14
  beating the New York Knicks, whether they're healthy or not, beating the Boston
• 1:09:16
  Celtics, then beating either the Mavericks or the Timberwolves, and having one of
• 1:09:23
  the most dynamic offenses. He would have to be up there. Maybe not,
• 1:09:28
  maybe not Steve Nash because of the MVP, but he would. I'm
• 1:09:32
  not gonna lie in my opinion, he would kind of be on the same
• 1:09:35
  level. In my opinion because Nash never got a championship, and if Tyre's
• 1:09:40
  Halliburton gets that championship, then I'm sorry, then he has to be up
• 1:09:45
  there. He controlling one of the best offenses in the league. So that's
• 1:09:51
  a That's pretty much my argument right there for Tyree's being five, I don't
• 1:09:56
  know who you would have five. Does mine have to be a player?
• 1:10:03
  No, I don't. I don't believe I'm going Rick carlysle number five because
• 1:10:12
  you win a ring with dirt, you beat if you beat Lebron with Dwayne
• 1:10:15
  Wade, Chris Bosh, then you come around with the Indian at Pacers,
• 1:10:18
  no expectations to win a championship. You beat the Boston Celtics, who are
• 1:10:23
  the third cut number one team in the entire NBA. You go on and
• 1:10:26
  be a team led by either Anthony Edwards, Ridy Gobert Kat for the on
• 1:10:30
  the flip side, yeah, Kyrie Irving and look at daun Chas and no
• 1:10:33
  one expects you to win a championship. I think him winning two championships solidifies
• 1:10:38
  a Hall of Fame career. I think he'll be regarded as one of the
• 1:10:42
  coaches all time. I'm not top ten, at least top eight. I
• 1:10:45
  think, in my opinion, he's been a consistent winner in his entire coaching
• 1:10:48
  career. I think it does a lot for him. I get why you
• 1:10:53
  say Tyri's Halliburn, and I agree for the exact same reasons, because no
• 1:10:56
  one expects you to get there. For the same reasons for Rick Carlisle,
• 1:11:00
  Rudy Gobert has already a legacy built defensive player, defensive savann defensive player,
• 1:11:04
  and if he wins a ring, you know, it boosts him a little
• 1:11:08
  bit more. But as far as Rick Carlisle, I think it does a
• 1:11:12
  lot for his legacy as a head coach in the NBA. That that's a
• 1:11:15
  good point. I did not I did not even think about that, honestly,
• 1:11:19
  because that would be two crazy runs that nobody expected, because weren't the
• 1:11:25
  Mavericks a four or five C two If I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I
• 1:11:31
  just I don't remember a team you had to beat to win the championship.
• 1:11:34
  Yeah, because you went through the Lakers, who were the defending champs.
• 1:11:39
  You beat the Thunder and I don't know who the first team was so yeah,
• 1:11:45
  but yeah, no, that's pretty much our list. Luke Luca won
• 1:11:49
  for me and too Kyrie three, JT four, and then Tyre's Halliburton five,
• 1:11:58
  and then what was your list again? I had one and one Luca
• 1:12:02
  two of Jason Tatum three, Kyrie four, and Rick Carlisle five. Okay,
• 1:12:11
  so this one right here before we get into the fump at right here,
• 1:12:16
  this one is just a pretty short and simple topic. So who do
• 1:12:21
  you want to win the championship out of all of these four teams remaining bias
• 1:12:27
  Bias included. We are a bias podcast. We are. We've said that
• 1:12:31
  many of the time. I hate the Celtics and I hate the Mavericks,
• 1:12:38
  like Pacers or Wolves, is who I want to win? I want to
• 1:12:43
  So you want that finals matchup? Just no, this is a bias podcast.
• 1:12:46
  This is a bias podcast. This is a bias podcast. I do
• 1:12:49
  not want Anthony Vers to win because he will be boosted to face the league.
• 1:12:54
  So I want the Pacers to win because no one's arguing Harry's caliburn being
• 1:12:58
  the face of the league, so Vickery women y'am has an easier path.
• 1:13:00
  So I want the Indiana Pacers to win an NBA championship. If not,
• 1:13:04
  I want the timber Wolves, but preferably the Indiana Pacers. That's why my
• 1:13:09
  I think it's a great biased reasoning for that bias reason. Yeah, so
• 1:13:15
  on Wimby's always going to be in the back of my mind. So I'm
• 1:13:19
  just looking at it how I see it. No one's arguing Myles turning to
• 1:13:21
  be the best center in the NBA. No one's arguing Tyrus to be face
• 1:13:26
  of the league, you know, And then you know, it's just I
• 1:13:30
  want the Pacers to win. Okay, So you would win Timberwolves versus Timberleves
• 1:13:39
  versus Pacers, Right, that's who you would want. Yeah, that's what
• 1:13:43
  I would want. Yeah, okay, so who I would want? So
• 1:13:47
  I'm gonna just say Dallas Mavericks Off off rip. That's what I'm gonna say,
• 1:13:51
  is is who I want someone win the championship. If I wasn't a
• 1:13:57
  Bulls fan, I would be a Mavericks fan. By far. Kyrie Irving,
• 1:14:01
  he's been one of my favorite players in the league ever since Cleveland,
• 1:14:05
  and even though he's been cut a lot of slack, I still follow him.
• 1:14:11
  You see that right there? You see that right there. I don't
• 1:14:14
  see that guy. Uh huh he's holding a championship. Uh. There's more
• 1:14:19
  guys back there that have champions Oh wait, is that Tim Duncan right there?
• 1:14:23
  Is that Tim Duncan. You know this guy has four championships right here?
• 1:14:28
  Okay, that one. Kyrie's better, but okay, even Jackson right
• 1:14:33
  here at least has one championship. You know. So Tony Parker up there,
• 1:14:40
  you know, it's just a lot of championships in this in this section
• 1:14:44
  two, let's not get this section wrong right here. Okay, if we
• 1:14:50
  want to look, okay, Dion Sanders, the triplets it, okay,
• 1:14:58
  then I have the lebron Remember remember remember when said talked to me when Patrick
• 1:15:04
  Mahomes gets get what my ring in Florida state? Right there? Okay,
• 1:15:18
  okay, fair, I'm not trying to argue as far as with with.
• 1:15:26
  I'm just kidding. You can be, you can you can be you can
• 1:15:29
  join that team. I guess well, I'm saying if I was a Bulls
• 1:15:32
  fan, if I wasn't a Bulls fan, I would be a Mavericks fan
• 1:15:36
  because Kyrie Irving and Luka Doncic, because Luka Doncic. He's he's always been
• 1:15:45
  criticized. I guess the heavily criticized guys. That's what I kind of lean
• 1:15:49
  to. It makes sense Lebron, Lebron, Dak Prescott, Kyrie Irving,
• 1:15:55
  Luka Doncic. It kind of it kind of goes hand in hand. Yeah,
• 1:16:00
  So that's who I'd want to win the championship. But I would,
• 1:16:03
  honestly, I would like to see the Celtics in the finals. I would
• 1:16:06
  like to see them in the finals because Jason Tatum, Jason Tatum, Jaylen
• 1:16:12
  Brown, they they've been here timing and time again. So if them finally
• 1:16:17
  be able to be able to win a ring, it would get the monkey
• 1:16:20
  off their back. But all right, I said, we go ahead and
• 1:16:27
  do so called MVPs right now, so we don't wait. What if I
• 1:16:31
  wasn't if I wasn't a Spurst fan, who would I be a fan of?
• 1:16:35
  Oh, Jayson Tatums. I don't know why. I don't know why.
• 1:16:40
  Like I've always said, if I wasn't a Furst fan, I would
• 1:16:43
  be a Pacers or a Knicks fan. Really, that is so random.
• 1:16:47
  I don't know what it was. I think what it is is like like
• 1:16:55
  when I was younger, I watched the thirty for thirty with the Pacers versus
• 1:16:59
  the Knicks. Oh yeah yeah, and like I always like liked Reggie Miller
• 1:17:03
  like for some reason, and then and then growing up, like I'd like
• 1:17:09
  I like Carmelo when he was on the Knicks, yeah j R. Smith
• 1:17:13
  and him on Shumbert. Like I would always rebuild the Knicks on two K,
• 1:17:17
  and then I would rebuild the Pacers on two K with like Danny Grange
• 1:17:20
  Paul George, like I don't know why, Like I don't know, like
• 1:17:25
  George, that was a fun rebuild that year when they and that year when
• 1:17:28
  they had like Roy Hibbert and George. Still I don't know why. Bro
• 1:17:33
  I always liked them. Like I would either be a Knicks or a Pacers
• 1:17:36
  fan, but probably the Knicks. I could be like on those like on
• 1:17:41
  those side talking interviews, I can't say half the things on that on that,
• 1:17:45
  but I would probably be a Knicks fan or Pacers Yeah okay here,
• 1:17:53
  yeah, definitely can't say here, but you know, let me let me
• 1:17:58
  just move on. But let's go to do so called m VPS so we
• 1:18:02
  don't forget later when we do this hoop grid. So so called MVPs,
• 1:18:09
  we do them every single week. Obviously you didn't hear ours last week,
• 1:18:13
  So let's just give two for this week. Okay, So who who's your
• 1:18:18
  two or do you have your two? I'm gonna give one to Derek Lively
• 1:18:23
  for that big four quarter, rebounding the ball, getting some and ones completing,
• 1:18:27
  completing at the free throw line five or six. That's what I'm going
• 1:18:30
  with. And Derek Lively is one of them. My other so called MVP
• 1:18:33
  of the week. M who can I who? If I can stay right
• 1:18:39
  there, I'm gonna go with the with Miles Turner. I think Miles Turner,
• 1:18:44
  the way he's been playing, shooting from the three point range, defending
• 1:18:46
  the interior, I think that's who's gonna be my other so called NP of
• 1:18:49
  the week. Derek Lively and Miles Turner. A couple of centers, A
• 1:18:53
  couple of centers for me? Okay, well the first one. Then I'm
• 1:18:57
  gonna go with this Carl Anthony Towns. I feel like he had a damn
• 1:19:00
  good series and what he did in Game seven, he just kept the Wolves
• 1:19:05
  aflow until they made that great comeback. But my second so called MVP.
• 1:19:12
  I'm gonna have to go with Tyreus Halliburn. Tyreus Halliburn cooked in the in
• 1:19:16
  the entire game versus the Knicks, and he hit six threes and just he's
• 1:19:21
  a fun player to watch, and especially what he did with afterwards wearing that
• 1:19:27
  Reggie Miller hoodie. So yeah, I know those are my two MVPs right
• 1:19:31
  here. But all right, Josh, it's time. It's time for a
• 1:19:34
  hoop grid. It's time for a hoop grid. So can we go?
• 1:19:39
  How low can we go? So let me go ahead and switch this over
• 1:19:45
  right here? So all right, you can see the full screen right yep?
• 1:19:55
  Okay, I can actually see it. Click. Oh my gosh,
• 1:19:59
  wait ye is this one the same the same one we've always done? Yeah?
• 1:20:03
  This this one's always the same one that we've done, unless you prefer
• 1:20:08
  doing a different one because we haven't done one in a while. Let's let's
• 1:20:13
  just see here. Okay, this one's okay, this one, Oh,
• 1:20:20
  it's the pacers loaded for me. Yeah, okay, okay, okay,
• 1:20:29
  I say let's do this. Okay. So the top row we have played
• 1:20:38
  played for exactly one franchise played in the nineteen nineties, and the Indiana Pacers.
• 1:20:45
  And the bottom column is drafted after the twentieth pick, fifteen plus assist
• 1:20:49
  game in a regular season, and then played less than one hundred games career.
• 1:20:56
  So if anybody doesn't understand the concept of who grids poop grids, so
• 1:21:01
  you could say played for one franchise, drafted after the twentieth pick, you
• 1:21:05
  could say Draymond Green pretty easily. But the point of the game is to
• 1:21:10
  get somebody that's improbable, and it gets you a lower score. So the
• 1:21:15
  lower score you have, the better you played the game. So let's go
• 1:21:19
  ahead and start this off. Which one did you want to start with?
• 1:21:23
  Josh? Do you think Manu is pretty high? Played exactly for one franchise?
• 1:21:31
  Well, we we can check. Do you think it could be a
• 1:21:33
  rookie this year? Oh, that wouldn't be too bad. I'm checking for
• 1:21:42
  Manu. That's four forty six. That's not too bad or four point four
• 1:21:46
  to six. I want to do try try putting at try putting CDSSKO.
• 1:21:51
  I wonder if that would work? S I t y yeah, wait where
• 1:22:00
  as I Oh you saw him right there? Oh yeah yeah, okay,
• 1:22:12
  point point twenty four? Yeah, yeah, holy crap, Holy that is
• 1:22:18
  crazy. We're beating the game here. We are beating game here for exactly
• 1:22:25
  pause pas pass pause pause. Okay, dude, who's guessing? CD sissoka?
• 1:22:31
  Like? Whose other mind? Like? I know, mind just it
• 1:22:36
  has to be a Spurs fan, though. It has to be a Spurs
• 1:22:40
  fan though, So now I'm thinking rookies for playing less than one hundred career
• 1:22:44
  games. That's what it has to be. Okay, Jackson Jackson Price or
• 1:22:53
  whatever his name is, Julian Phillips or that's a rookie, that's a bulls
• 1:22:58
  guy. No, let's do let's talk about kala bay I betually no one's
• 1:23:02
  guess. Let me just see Julian Phillips. M Okay, all right,
• 1:23:10
  what's this lower? Point one five? Okay, who's wait, there's no
• 1:23:17
  I think we're leaving now, okay, we're leaving this one. Yeah,
• 1:23:24
  I just leave it. I don't know how much lower we can go than
• 1:23:26
  point one five? All right, all right? Below one point geez?
• 1:23:35
  If we get under one point overall, that that would be crazy Pacers and
• 1:23:43
  played for one franchise or played play less than one hundred career games. So
• 1:23:49
  we could go with the rookie this year, right for the Pacers, probably
• 1:23:55
  who's their rookie their rookie is, or it could be a second year player.
• 1:24:04
  Honestly, I'm just trying to think back to like draft picks I didn't
• 1:24:13
  pan out for the Pacers. What was Oh no, he hasn't played.
• 1:24:18
  Oh wait, what's his name? Hey, dude, George Hills? Wait
• 1:24:30
  who you can try it? I don't know how George Hill for a drafted
• 1:24:34
  after twenty eight pick Pacers. Okay, we could do that. Let's see
• 1:24:43
  what that is? Okay, three forty, but I'm thinking Goga Badots Oh
• 1:24:53
  no, he's played. Wait go go Badatzi. That could be for the
• 1:24:56
  Pacers. No, it can't be. Damn hm hmm. Isaiah Jackson was
• 1:25:09
  their draft pick this year. That's who it was, Isaiah Jackson the Pacers,
• 1:25:15
  Right, I feel like that might be high. I can't spell his
• 1:25:24
  name the hell I as a Oh my god, there it is Isaiah Jackson.
• 1:25:39
  WHOA let's see three twenty three. Okay, that's kind of high.
• 1:25:45
  That's kind of high. Damn yeah, Okay, I think okay, we
• 1:25:51
  we kind of got used to going under ten percent, so now anything that's
• 1:25:57
  above four percent. Well, like, damn that Neil or not Jermaine o'
• 1:26:01
  neil. Where did ah? I wonder where Stephen Jackson got drafted but played
• 1:26:10
  in the nineteen nineties? No need he Yeah? Did he play the nineteen
• 1:26:13
  nineties? Yeah he did, Stephen Jackson? Is he not loaded? It's
• 1:26:25
  st e p h there he goes. Oh, no, he played in
• 1:26:33
  two thousand. Damn, we're one year off broke one year about I'm thinking
• 1:26:41
  about Malice in the Palace, like so hard right now? Let's do yeah,
• 1:26:45
  run our test. Yeah, he definitely played. Oh wait, is
• 1:26:55
  it meta meta? Yeah, it's meta. Oh no, he wasn't.
• 1:27:00
  Oh he wasn't a twentieth overall What about? Is it Jermaine o neil?
• 1:27:11
  It might be Jermaine O'Neil. No, no the hell Chris Mullen, Chris
• 1:27:27
  Mullen a high dragon? Would Mark Jackson work? Oh? That might?
• 1:27:38
  Wait? Can this work for assist? Boom ah? Six point eight four?
• 1:27:45
  What the hell? What the hell he did in nineteen ninety fifteen plus
• 1:27:53
  game assist John Starks okay or Scott Skiles, that's always the one that we
• 1:28:01
  go to. Yeah, go Scott scottles eight point four to four. Damn
• 1:28:13
  are we selling today? Are we selling? I think we're selling today?
• 1:28:16
  Well do wait wait wait wait, let me cook bam, Jamal Timsley,
• 1:28:25
  it got lower. But dang, who were guessing these Pacers players? Bro,
• 1:28:30
  I have no clue. Bro, I'm not gonna lie. Jalen Rose,
• 1:28:33
  would Jayleen? No, that would obviously be higher, right, yeah,
• 1:28:36
  it would be a high one. I feel like, no, it's
• 1:28:40
  lower. So Jamal Timsley may work, may work for this, No,
• 1:28:48
  it doesn't do. Chris Mullen right there. I wonder if he got jecked
• 1:28:56
  after the twentieth thick. I feel like he was a high draft pick.
• 1:29:00
  Yeah he helped. Yeah, okay, mm hmm, I'm thinking about,
• 1:29:14
  like to all my basketball cards, like all my basketball cards. Wait,
• 1:29:23
  was what's his name? Was karas Laver drafted by the Pacers? He might
• 1:29:30
  have been. I swear he was drafted by the Pace. Oh that's nineties,
• 1:29:45
  Okay, I swear he was drafted in the twenties. No way,
• 1:29:48
  Johnson, dude, Evan Johnson fifteen plus game assists played in nineteen nineties.
• 1:29:59
  That's a pool. That's a pool. Okay, okay, okay, I
• 1:30:05
  swear Krislavert he was bro Okay, I'm I just wanted to look up Karslavert.
• 1:30:15
  He was drafted twentieth overall. What the hell it was on the dot?
• 1:30:26
  Okay? Lay in the nineteen nineties? Wait wait, wait what what?
• 1:30:30
  What was his name? Tom Chambers? Oh? Do Frank Bakowski play
• 1:30:36
  in nineteen ninety one? Frank? Yeah? Frank? How do you spell
• 1:30:44
  his last name? B r Okay? That one point eighteen? That's a
• 1:30:50
  dog pool. That's a dog first? No way? Oh okay, Maybe
• 1:31:04
  try Vinnie del Negro in the fifteen plus assists or are you just you're just
• 1:31:11
  naming all Spurs players? Huh yeah? Bro? No Vin Avery Johnson?
• 1:31:21
  Maybe Avery Johnson would work. I don't think he played for another franchise unless
• 1:31:26
  he started his career with someone else. Yeah, I think he did.
• 1:31:29
  I think the Cavaliers. I think he honestly played very Cavaliers. That Frank
• 1:31:35
  Prakowski was a pool though, that that was That was a fucking pool.
• 1:31:43
  John Stockton would be easy, it would be, but it'd be like so
• 1:31:48
  high. Rondo Doude deep Brown did Deep Brown played in one hundred games in
• 1:31:58
  the nineteen nineties. Wait, we don't need deep brown? Yeah, what
• 1:32:08
  about let me see if this works. Shout out to the Short King.
• 1:32:14
  Did muggsy bosh? He didn't play for one team? I swear he had
• 1:32:18
  fifteen. He played for the Bullets and then he played for the Hornets.
• 1:32:25
  Mm hmm maybe uh yeah one franchise. Funny Parker played for the horn Hell,
• 1:32:41
  I'm just trying to think like older players. Did Doc Rivers ever play
• 1:32:49
  a couple of teams? Do you think he had fifteen assists? Been Glenn
• 1:32:56
  Rivers? Though? It's not Doc Rivers unless they have Doc on there.
• 1:33:02
  Yeah they have Doc. No way, damn David Rivers. I don't know
• 1:33:09
  who this dude is, but I'm a nope. What the hell? Okay,
• 1:33:15
  we gotta get deep into the bag. Gotta get deep into the bag.
• 1:33:24
  Hmm okay, okay, can you still hear me? Josh? Yeah?
• 1:33:32
  Okay, because half of my computer froze, so don't ask me how,
• 1:33:42
  but as long as you can still hear me, okay, So yeah
• 1:33:48
  you can still hear me? Right? Yeah, Well, you're you press
• 1:33:51
  something. I don't know. It's on stream TV watch live. Yeah,
• 1:33:56
  it's it just changed to something else. But all right, No we're back.
• 1:33:59
  We're back. We're back, We're back. Okay, crac what would
• 1:34:05
  be this? Uh? What about? Oh? Oh, I fill a
• 1:34:14
  pool now Roger stricklandand no, wait he just got it hardaway boomlay for the
• 1:34:29
  Warriors. He like a couple of other teams. Bro I have no clue.
• 1:34:42
  Maybe Nick Anderson, Nick Anderson. Wait, any from Isaiah Thomas wouldn't
• 1:34:53
  that work? Right? Yeah? I would m m Isaiah Thomas boom one
• 1:35:06
  point three? Yes, sir, yes, sir, okay, yes,
• 1:35:11
  sir. All right, we can either change to change a couple of these
• 1:35:14
  or the George Hill or Isaiah Jackson or both. I like how we don't
• 1:35:23
  we refuse to go out with more than ten points. I'm telling you we
• 1:35:27
  got we got so spoiled from the last one that we did where we did
• 1:35:30
  so great. Now it's like anything above team after that it's a failure.
• 1:35:36
  Yeah hmm. Roy Hibbert was Roy Hibbert a high draftic. Roy Hibbert might
• 1:35:50
  be a good one. Wait, he was a second round pick. I
• 1:35:53
  swear what nope? Ooh what a shot by tires looks. I can't pull
• 1:36:08
  it up to the other screen because we're doing the hoop grade thing. Oh
• 1:36:12
  dang, all right, you're just gonna have to keep me updated with it.
• 1:36:15
  I got the buzzer. What's the score? Ninety four? Who's up?
• 1:36:25
  This Celtic's by one? Okay, geez during the nineties, Holy crap,
• 1:36:32
  that's ridiculous. Hm, hm, and dude, I can't think of
• 1:36:40
  knowing right now. I'm trying to get deep into my bag, deep into
• 1:36:45
  the bag. Play in nineteen nineties, play less than one hundred and three
• 1:36:49
  or games? Wait, think I might have a pull. What's his name?
• 1:37:02
  Oh my goodness, I know he was he was drafted. He was
• 1:37:09
  draft drafted last year. Oh my goodness, he was the second round pick
• 1:37:12
  by the Pacers. I swear it's Isaiah. Something I swear he heard was
• 1:37:28
  it Isaiah? Long? Wait for real? That's what it is. I
• 1:37:32
  don't know. That's what it says, right the bro? No way,
• 1:37:43
  no way, But who the hell is guess in two point one three?
• 1:37:45
  This is BS. I had to get deep into my bag just for us
• 1:37:49
  to go down one percent. This is crazy. Damn it offer this one
• 1:38:00
  percent? We got hype from one percent. I swear it was a good
• 1:38:05
  pool. You might just have to finish this one, bro, I don't
• 1:38:10
  know much about pacers anymore. Oh wait, I think I may have one
• 1:38:17
  for play them, Lesson. I'm thinking of second round picks for the pacers.
• 1:38:25
  Oh wait, wait, wait Johnson. I feel like Johnson, not
• 1:38:31
  key On Johnson. I'm gonna I'm gonna look through here, Bro, It's
• 1:38:38
  either gonna be mm hmm. It has to be Eliz Johnson. I swear,
• 1:38:45
  bro, that's a pools. He's on the Spurs. Bro, Bro,
• 1:38:54
  I seen. Okay, all right, now the goal. Now the
• 1:39:00
  goal. We're at nine point one four rarity score. We have to get
• 1:39:05
  a point seven to six or lower to stay at ten or lower. Okay,
• 1:39:12
  Now we have to get deep into the bag, deep into the back.
• 1:39:16
  Lord Jesus Christ helped me nineties, wouldn't Oh no, I don't know
• 1:39:32
  why. The first guy that I thought of was Jay Williams. But he
• 1:39:36
  was he was drafted in the two thousands, unless he was drafted in ninety
• 1:39:45
  nine. But wouldn't you feel like that's an easy answer? Oh no,
• 1:39:50
  he was drafted No. Two. Okay, less than one hundred games.
• 1:40:01
  That's tough, Drash, What the hell, Bro, I won't know at
• 1:40:15
  all. I'm trying to think like coaches or something, because usually coaches Scott
• 1:40:20
  Brooks would Scott Brooks work, no way, he was a no way.
• 1:40:33
  Wait he played from eighty eight to ninety seven. Yeah, he only played
• 1:40:39
  one game of year, Bro, one game of year. That's it?
• 1:40:44
  Who Rick Carlisle? It's worth the wait. Wasn't he a basketball player?
• 1:40:50
  I swear he was the beast? Is it? Rick? No fucking bro?
• 1:41:00
  Wait? Eighty four to eighty nine? Oh my goodness, I want
• 1:41:04
  to look at him. I swear if you pulled that off, rip,
• 1:41:11
  I know he played in the NBA. I just don't know how long except
• 1:41:15
  five years? Bro, Bro, I don't know, Bro, I really
• 1:41:23
  can't get ask your dad, shod we call celebrity? I think he pretty
• 1:41:27
  helped right here, Josh, you had an amazing pool. He only played
• 1:41:31
  five games? Yeah, Bro, that was an amazing pool. Any one
• 1:41:42
  more year? Huh? One more year? One more year? I don't
• 1:41:46
  know? Should we call him the celebrity? This is gonna sound messed up.
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  Draws In Petrovitch tied while he was in the NBA. No wait,
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  no way, this works. Okay, it didn't work. It didn't work.
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  No, you're fucked up? Bad? Oh my goodness, Wait,
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  is it Draws and preturevis who I was thinking of? I have no clue
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  it was who I was thinking of. I had seventy games, eighty two
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  games, forty three games, eighteen games, seventy seven games. I don't
• 1:42:38
  know, honestly, I really don't know. Wait, okay, I'm trying
• 1:42:44
  to think of dads. You know what I mean, because usually the dads
• 1:42:48
  or the sons, they don't play that much. And I don't know why
• 1:42:54
  didn't Okay, Okay, Mike dun Levy Junior, I know he was on
• 1:43:00
  the Bulls. I swear his dad. Didn't his dad play in the NBA?
• 1:43:10
  Yeah? Well, Brent Barry rick Berry had two sons, Brent Barry,
• 1:43:15
  and then there was another Barry. Oh that may work. Barry Stevens.
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  Oh, wait, I clicked a random guy and it works. We
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  got it, Barry Stevens, I do. I don't know who Barry Stevens
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  is. Shout out to Barry Stevens man. He's he's the so called MVP
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  of the week now now, but I don't know. I'm looking him up
• 1:43:58
  right now. He played at Iowa State. He died in two thousand and
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  seven. Why is that the first thing you list, bro, why is
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  that? Why is that? It was right there? It said it right
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  there. Barry Stevens basketball great. Barry Stevens guys, Oh my g average
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  one point in the NBA. He played two games. What a dog for
• 1:44:26
  the Golden State Warriors at thirty years old. I I I honestly clicked a
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  random guy. I didn't mean to click the guy, but it worked.
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  Where over you're trying to look up one of the Barry Suns, but we
• 1:44:43
  got Barry Stevens a dog instead. So we had a nine point four to
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  four rarety score. Seventy six point four to seven percentage of the grids are
• 1:44:53
  better than anybody else in the world, so we had a pretty good one.
• 1:44:57
  I think we should wrap up this episode now, Josh, I think
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  we should now. John Barry played for a while. John Barry did played
• 1:45:04
  for a long He played for the Brent Barry played for a lot of teams.
• 1:45:08
  He played for the Spurs a lot, so I knew. So we
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  would have been wrong right there. So Barry Stevens, thank you for the
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  pool, Thank you for the dub. Brother ri I p you know Iowa
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  State cyclone Legend, Golden State Warrior legend played played at age thirty two.
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  He averaged one point in the NBA over two games from three. So shout
• 1:45:30
  out to you. Yeah, shout out to you, Barry Stevens. We
• 1:45:35
  will never forget. Yeah, we will never forget. We have some legends
• 1:45:41
  on this channel here. We have Tom Chambers and now Barry Stevens. You
• 1:45:44
  have now added to the list. Johnson, Frank Brickowski, thank you,
• 1:45:47
  brother, Yeah, thank you, Frank. Thank you for all of those
• 1:45:51
  guys there. But any last words, Josh, any last words? No,
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  I think that's a great way to end Yeah, that's a great way
• 1:45:59
  to end it, all right, But yeah, before we get out of
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  of here. We'll see you guys soon. Take care. Older Barry Steen's jersey