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#1519 Beyond Booze - Sarah Rusbatch · The You Project

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Speaker 1: Jiffingy and cook Greg Anthony Harper.
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Speaker 2: How are you feeling, I'm.
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Speaker 1: Out of bed. That's a start. My ears feel blocked.
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Speaker 1: That's all I've got to report. Really, been in bed
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Speaker 1: for two days, eating and watching Netflix.
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Speaker 2: Are you have you chunked up? Your body? Fat's probably
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Speaker 2: rocketed up to five percent.
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Speaker 1: Look, I'll be transparent. There's been a lot of Yesterday
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Speaker 1: was just a big sugar fest. I just Uber eats
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Speaker 1: sugar to my house and I thought, oh, well, Uber
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Speaker 1: grocery really and I got some stuff, but really it
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Speaker 1: was just to get some sugar into the some sugar
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Speaker 1: into the house.
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Speaker 2: I've never Uber eaten in my life. Is it?
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Speaker 3: I mean it must be a somewhat easy, seamless process,
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Speaker 3: is it. Yeah?
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Speaker 1: It is. And you can do it for groceries. I've
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Speaker 1: done it for groceries, and everyone always says, let me
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Speaker 1: know if you need. I just feel bad getting people
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Speaker 1: who drop things around to me when I can just
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Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 2: Like, well, even Jumbo offered.
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Speaker 1: I know so many people offered, which is really nice,
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Speaker 1: but I just feel like, you know, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I don't like to take advantage of people's generosity when
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Speaker 1: you can. Uber five bucks delivery?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck it? And before do you tip? Do you
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Speaker 2: tip the Uber eats person?
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Speaker 1: Tip him if they're friendly, I tip them if they're
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Speaker 1: good and they're quick, and they don't eat my sugar
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Speaker 1: before it gets here?
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Speaker 3: What specifically, And we'll get to Sarah in a moment.
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Speaker 3: She might need to talk to you because I think
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Speaker 3: you have addiction issues anyway.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not our theohop, so it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 3: But it's kind of addictions addiction. What what exactly did
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Speaker 3: the sugar that you were getting delivered to your front
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Speaker 3: door look like? Like?
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Speaker 2: What was it?
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Speaker 1: There might have been some nat Ella and there might
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Speaker 1: have been some link chocolate and in the first delivery.
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Speaker 1: There were two deliveries because the first delivery I resisted
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Speaker 1: and I've got all healthy stuff, and then the hankering
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't go away. So in the afternoon I took
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Speaker 1: place to see and delivery and conjure up some adult
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Speaker 1: reasons of what other things I should buy to warrant
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Speaker 1: getting a delivery. And that's what I got.
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Speaker 3: You know, I know, I sound like a sixty year
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Speaker 3: old who's technologically an act, which is a very accurate
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Speaker 3: description of what I am so once one places the order,
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Speaker 3: how long before mister or missus Uber arrives.
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Speaker 1: It was super quick. I reckon fifteen minutes they arrived.
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Speaker 1: It depends they have to someone in the shop has
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Speaker 1: to go and pack your order, and then somebody usually
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Speaker 1: on a bike. All that might two are on a bike.
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Speaker 1: Lad jumps on a bike and rides it up the road.
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Speaker 3: Depending on your situation, it would almost seem a waste
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Speaker 3: of time to go to the supermarket for five dollars.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they also the prices are inflated. They do
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Speaker 1: the prices, Yeah, they I don't know if they're I mean,
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Speaker 1: they don't say that, but I know that the prices
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Speaker 1: are inflated because I always buy the same stuff. Well
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Speaker 1: that's not normally that much.
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Speaker 2: It sneaks so Uber Sarah, Sarah, welcome back to the show.
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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me back.
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Speaker 2: Do you use the uber facility or not?
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Speaker 4: No, I don't. But it's interesting hearing me talk about
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Speaker 4: that because I was invited by the media recently to
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Speaker 4: talk about the fact that you can have alcohol delivered
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Speaker 4: to your house as well at the like you know,
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Speaker 4: really like all through the night and day and the
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Speaker 4: impact of that. So yeah, it is interesting to think
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Speaker 4: about the world we live in and what you can
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Speaker 4: actually get delivered to your door in a very short
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Speaker 4: amount of time.
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Speaker 3: I know, I know everything from nuts to hookers. So
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you can get a by that,
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Speaker 3: I mean a male ura female. That's true, though, isn't
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Speaker 3: a tip? Don't can't you? You probably can't order one online?
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Speaker 1: Well I wouldn't know that, alps. But you saying to
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Speaker 1: have all the intel.
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Speaker 2: Honestly and honestly say, hand on heart on my mum's life.
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Speaker 2: I've never even entertained the thought.
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Speaker 3: In fact, I will tell you I don't know if
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Speaker 3: I should, but fuck it. So I my gym in Brighton,
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Speaker 3: we used to have a we used to how do
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Speaker 3: I say this? We used to no nothing dodgy. But
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Speaker 3: we used to train, not me, my team used to
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Speaker 3: train some of the employees from one's very big establishment
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Speaker 3: here in Melbourne that provided that particular service, and some
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Speaker 3: of the some of the providers of those services would
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Speaker 3: come to the gym and they're all lovely. To be honest,
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Speaker 3: I can't say it's something that I would recommend as
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Speaker 3: a career path, but each to his own. Sarah he
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Speaker 3: didn't think it had start like this, did you?
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Speaker 4: You never know how it's going to start on your podcast,
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Speaker 4: And that's not so good about it, right.
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Speaker 3: It's a fucking pot pirie of conversation. You don't want
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Speaker 3: to like, you want to come in with no expectations
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Speaker 3: and just be just ready, just ready, improvise, adapt, to overcome, thrive, survive.
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Speaker 3: So now at least half the people listening to this,
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Speaker 3: I dare say, because this is typical, didn't listen to
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Speaker 3: you and I chat last time. Maybe more maybe three quarters.
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Speaker 3: Now you talk about this thing called gray area drinking.
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Speaker 3: Just quickly give us a snapshot of what that means
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Speaker 3: for people who are unfamiliar with the term and didn't
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Speaker 3: hear our first chat.
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Speaker 4: So, gray area drinking talks about people who don't identify
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Speaker 4: as being physically dependent on alcohol. So it's not people
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Speaker 4: who are ten out of ten on that scale of
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Speaker 4: alcohol use. Gray area drinking talks about people who are
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Speaker 4: using alcohol and consuming more alcohol than the recommended units
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Speaker 4: per week, but they're definitely not at that full on
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Speaker 4: physical addiction level. And it's estimated that three billion people
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Speaker 4: across the world fit in this category of being gray
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Speaker 4: area drinkers, but they wouldn't call themselves addictive. They would
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Speaker 4: call themselves probably big social drinkers. But as I see
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Speaker 4: in the work that I do, it's hugely problematic and
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Speaker 4: you don't have to be physically addicted to alcohol for
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Speaker 4: it to be having an impact on your mental and
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Speaker 4: physical health.
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Speaker 3: Wow, three billion out of eight billion. Let me do
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Speaker 3: the mass. That's somewhere in the forty percent forty ish
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Speaker 3: percent of the population. Now Australia is twenty five million.
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Speaker 3: Twenty five million is exactly ten million. Are you saying
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Speaker 3: to me that about ten million Australians if we're if
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Speaker 3: that world figure is right, are gray area drinkers.
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Speaker 4: I think you need to look at like people over
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Speaker 4: the age of eighteen. But yeah, I would absolutely say
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Speaker 4: that because alcohol use disorder is classified as forteen or
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Speaker 4: more units of alcohol a week, and fourteen or more.
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Speaker 4: Fourteen units is just over a bottle of wine, and
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Speaker 4: so anyone consumes said some bottles of wine will have
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Speaker 4: ten units in them, So anyone consuming above that amount
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Speaker 4: would be classified in the mild level of alcohol use disorder.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there are lots of variables around this, and
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Speaker 3: I'm not on any level disputing what you're saying, because
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Speaker 3: I love this conversation, and I loved our first conversation,
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Speaker 3: and you've written a new book which we're going to
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Speaker 3: talk about.
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Speaker 2: And I've never had a drink in my.
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Speaker 3: Life, but I've worked with a lot of alcoholics and addicts,
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Speaker 3: and you know, so I'm fascinated with addiction. I'm fascinated
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Speaker 3: with this particular conversation around the way that we interact
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Speaker 3: with booze, you know, whether that's sociologically physiologically like obviously,
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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty kilo man versus a fifty kilo
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Speaker 3: woman having fought seeing units of alcohol per week will
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Speaker 3: have a different impact, you know, And so there are
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Speaker 3: lots of there's a lot of nuance, I guess, and
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Speaker 3: a lot of variability around it. But can people be
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Speaker 3: gray drinkers, gray area drinkers and healthy and happy?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, of course they can. And I'm not here to
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Speaker 4: say alcohol is bad, you must never drink, but I
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Speaker 4: do work with people for whom alcohol is taking more
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Speaker 4: than it's giving. And that is not a number. Like
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Speaker 4: everyone says to me, I stopped drinking five years ago,
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Speaker 4: Well how much were you drinking? Because they want to
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Speaker 4: know how much I was drinking, so they can go, oh, well,
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Speaker 4: I don't drink as much as that, so I don't
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Speaker 4: have to stop. Whereas the answer to the question is
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Speaker 4: not a number. The answer to that question is a feeling,
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Speaker 4: and it's simply about noticing do I have control over it?
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Speaker 4: So if I wake up in the morning and say, God,
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Speaker 4: I feel like shit, I drink too much last night
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Speaker 4: last night, I'm definitely not drinking tonight. But then by
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Speaker 4: five o'clock that's all out the window. You're subconsciously just
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Speaker 4: having that glass of wine. But do you have control
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Speaker 4: over it or not? And what and gray area drinking?
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Speaker 4: You know, it's not even about the number, but it's
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Speaker 4: like how many times are you reaching for a drink
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Speaker 4: out of habit? How many times are you reaching for
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Speaker 4: a drink when you said you wouldn't. How many times
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Speaker 4: are you reaching for a drink to escape a feeling?
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Speaker 4: Like so many of the people I work with, and
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Speaker 4: I primarily work with middle aged women, there's three reasons
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Speaker 4: that they're drinking, and it's boredom, stress, and learneliness. And
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Speaker 4: so that's the work that I do. Is it's not
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Speaker 4: even really about removing the alcohol it's actually going why
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Speaker 4: are you drinking? And then how can we spitch that
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Speaker 4: area of your life so your need for alcohol becomes less?
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Speaker 2: And so okay, there's a couple of things.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to come back to boredom, stress, and lineliness
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Speaker 3: because I'm interested in that. But I would think also,
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Speaker 3: like you said, it's not about a number, it's about
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Speaker 3: a feeling.
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Speaker 2: I get that.
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Speaker 3: I also think it would be it's not about a number,
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Speaker 3: it's about the impact that it's having on your life. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: like at least creating a negative consequence on planet you.
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Speaker 2: Is there a downside to this, you know?
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Speaker 3: Because someone might have two units of what's that is
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Speaker 3: a glass of wine two units or three units? It's
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Speaker 3: on the size, Yeah, Like, well, if a bottle of
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Speaker 3: wine is fourteen units, and there's four glasses of wine
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Speaker 3: and a bottle, then that would mean three. I don't
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Speaker 3: know anyway, but I mean I would imagine some people
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Speaker 3: can do that, as you said, and they're fine and healthy,
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Speaker 3: and other people can't. So this is a really interesting thing,
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Speaker 3: isn't it, Because like for me on a completely well
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Speaker 3: not completely but in a different way, there are certain
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Speaker 3: foods that it's just better for me, not anyone else,
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Speaker 3: but just me personally, well, probably other people, but to
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Speaker 3: open certain food doors because if I open them, it
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Speaker 3: could be problematic for me because I am I have
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Speaker 3: food issues, and I recognize my food issues, and I
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Speaker 3: recognize how I need to manage myself around food so
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Speaker 3: that I don't end up going down a path that
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Speaker 3: I regret. Having been a morbidly obese child, teenager, and
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Speaker 3: adult at various stages, right, all things that I don't
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Speaker 3: and didn't want to be, but nonetheless was. So I think,
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Speaker 3: like for me, I think this is also about also
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Speaker 3: about self awareness and honesty, isn't it, Because it's like
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Speaker 3: you sometimes got to go not in a self loathing way,
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Speaker 3: but just in an honest way. Yeah, I'm I'm kind
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Speaker 3: of bullshitting myself because I tell myself this story, but
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Speaker 3: the actual impact and reality is not the story.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's about you talk a lot about the
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Speaker 4: tipping point, and it's like, have I passed the tipping point?
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Speaker 4: Alcohol used to be eighty percent fun and twenty percent
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Speaker 4: a bit shit, but nothing that a couple of parasittamal
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Speaker 4: and a diet coke didn't fix. And then as I've
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Speaker 4: got oh, because that was my life right in my twenties, right,
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Speaker 4: high capacity for alcohol, and I could get up in
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Speaker 4: the morning, have my diet coke and my tablets and
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Speaker 4: I'd be all right. Whereas as soon as I hit forty,
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Speaker 4: And this is the case for so many women, because
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Speaker 4: women cannot metabolize alcohol in the same way as men.
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Speaker 4: And as women age and we start to see hormonal changes,
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Speaker 4: we produce less of an enzyme that breaks down alcohol
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Speaker 4: and helps our body to metabolize it. So as women
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Speaker 4: get older, they start to find from forty onwards that
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Speaker 4: their hangovers get worse, their anxiety gets worse, the alcohol's
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Speaker 4: really impacting their sleep. And then it's about have I
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Speaker 4: passed that tipping point where it's no longer more fun
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Speaker 4: than the pain and it's actually causing me more pain
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Speaker 4: than the fun. And therefore, do I have to ask
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Speaker 4: myself the question is it giving more than it's taking
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Speaker 4: or not? And do I need to make a change there?
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Speaker 3: Off the top of your head, I don't expect you to,
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Speaker 3: But do you know the name of that enzyme that
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Speaker 3: breaks down.
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Speaker 4: Booze alcohol dehydrogenase ALDH?
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Speaker 3: You do ILDH? That's interesting because on a similar but
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Speaker 3: somewhat different. So as most of us get older, we
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Speaker 3: make less lack tase, which is the enzyme breaks down lactose.
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Speaker 3: And I'd never thought about that with booze. And so
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Speaker 3: is it women that are more predisposed or is it
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Speaker 3: just something that happens to people in general as they
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Speaker 3: get older.
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Speaker 4: What's really interesting is that a woman cannot, from a
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Speaker 4: physiological standpoint, metabolize alcohol in the same way as a
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Speaker 4: man because we have less of this enzyme anyway, But
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Speaker 4: as we age, both men and women produce less of
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Speaker 4: this enzyme, but women had less to start with. So
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Speaker 4: this is why for women as we're getting older, it's
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Speaker 4: an absolute shit show. When we're going through the menopause,
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Speaker 4: we're having all the impact of fluctuating hormones. Many women
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Speaker 4: are using alcohol to navigate this time in their life,
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Speaker 4: but it's actually making them feel so much worse.
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Speaker 2: That's so interesting.
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Speaker 3: And now, do women have less of this enzyme ILDH
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Speaker 3: because they different biology physiology, or is it just because
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Speaker 3: they're typically lighter than men, so you know, they have
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Speaker 3: a lighter body weight, therefore they have less of this available.
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Speaker 4: Now it's just a woman's body produces less of this.
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Speaker 4: But what's also interesting is that generally speaking, if you
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Speaker 4: put a man and woman next to each other, a
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Speaker 4: woman's body contains less water than a man's, and so
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Speaker 4: as a result of that, men dilute the alcohol more. So,
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Speaker 4: what we actually now know is that women are more
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Speaker 4: prone to the health risks of alcohol than men because
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Speaker 4: more alcohol enters their bloodstream. And this is why it's
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Speaker 4: really concerning that alcohol use disorder in women has increased
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Speaker 4: eighty four percent in the last thirty years, and yet
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Speaker 4: no one's talking about the fact that actually this is
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Speaker 4: really worrying because a woman can't metabolize alcohol in the
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Speaker 4: same way that a man.
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Speaker 2: Can eighty four percent. Serrah, Yeah, that is wow.
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Speaker 3: That is I know, and you think thirty is is forever,
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Speaker 3: but you got nine thirty is was nine and ninety
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Speaker 3: four that's that's not. I mean, it's a while ago,
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Speaker 3: but it's kind of you know, I've been finished school
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Speaker 3: for sucking thirteen years by then. So when you say
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Speaker 3: the main three reasons women use boozze when they're doing
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Speaker 3: it in an unhealthy way is boredom, stress, and loneliness,
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Speaker 3: is that because obviously all of those things boredom stress
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Speaker 3: loneliness produce in Layman's terms, I guess we would say
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Speaker 3: emotional and psychological pain, and the booze takes them temporarily
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Speaker 3: out of that emotional and psychological pain. It's like I
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Speaker 3: feel shit and then I drink this, and like, obviously
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Speaker 3: they're not going to drink it unless it makes them
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Speaker 3: feel better exactly.
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Speaker 4: So there's a couple of things. So for the boredom
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Speaker 4: and loneliness, yes, I think it temporarily can help those
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Speaker 4: feelings not be felt.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: For the stress, we actually are getting a physiological neurotransmitter
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Speaker 4: response when we drink alcohol, which causes us to release gabba,
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Speaker 4: which is what gives us in that moment, that calming,
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Speaker 4: relaxing feeling. That's why we do it right. But the
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Speaker 4: problem is that the brain cannot cope with this huge
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Speaker 4: surge of gabba in one go. It's not designed to
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Speaker 4: have such a big surge. So the brain in response
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Speaker 4: to having the gabba causes us to release more cortisol.
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Speaker 4: So they've actually done studies that show people who drink
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Speaker 4: alcohol regularly a lot, two or three drinks three or
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Speaker 4: four times a week have more of the stress hormone
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Speaker 4: cortisol circulating around their body than people who don't drink
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Speaker 4: at all, because actually consuming alcohol causes us to release
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Speaker 4: more of the stress woman cordisol. And this is where
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Speaker 4: the irony is that most people are drinking because they're stressed,
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Speaker 4: but they're actually making themselves more stressed by their constant
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Speaker 4: regular drinking.
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Speaker 2: Ah, it's wow. It is a sliberty slope.
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Speaker 3: And is booze like is it like other drugs in
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Speaker 3: that we kind of desensitize our receptors and so you know,
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Speaker 3: eventually you don't need a glass of beer to feel
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Speaker 3: a certain way. You need two glasses or two glasses
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Speaker 3: of wine, not one or three serves, not one or
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Speaker 3: so to get the same feeling in inverted commas or
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Speaker 3: the same I guess physiological outcome. You just need more
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Speaker 3: and more booze. Is that part of the issue.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, So we build tolerance. But also alcohol professor
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Speaker 4: David Nutt says that alcohol is up there and the
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Speaker 4: top five most addictive substances in the world, and so
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Speaker 4: if that's you know, we've got to This is why
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Speaker 4: my whole issue is with the messaging around alcohol being
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Speaker 4: drink in moderation and drink responsibly, which is putting the
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Speaker 4: onus on the person and actually not recognizing this is
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Speaker 4: an addictive substance and it's not always possible for everyone
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Speaker 4: to be able to drink in moderation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, and also you think I mean the truth is
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Speaker 3: the there's an incentive for the government to open the
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Speaker 3: door wider because there's tax on alcohol and the government
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Speaker 3: literally makes money from booze. So they need to be
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Speaker 3: seen to be putting out This is just my opinion.
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Speaker 3: Everyone spoken authorized by Craig up, but just an opinion.
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Speaker 3: They need to be seen to be putting out the right,
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Speaker 3: the responsible message around alcohol while simultaneously making money from alcoholtally.
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Speaker 4: And you know. A massive thing that happened Craig a
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Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago in the alcohol Free world, which
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Speaker 4: obviously I'm very heavily involved in, is the Landset, which
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Speaker 4: is the big medical journal, released Breast Cancer Commission two
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Speaker 4: weeks ago and they've predicted that by twenty forty we
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Speaker 4: will be seeing three million women diagnosed with breast cancer
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Speaker 4: every year, but that we can take steps now to
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Speaker 4: make changes for this and one of the recommendations they've
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Speaker 4: given is calling for policy makers to ban the commercial
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Speaker 4: marketing of products linked to causing breast cancer, such as alcohol,
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Speaker 4: and the fact that they specifically mention alcohol is a
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Speaker 4: big move and it'll be very interesting to see now
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Speaker 4: how this plays out, because you can't, like, what are
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Speaker 4: the governments going to do now they're a call from
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Speaker 4: a medical journal to say, let's ban the commercial marketing
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Speaker 4: of alcohol because we know it's linked to breast cancer.
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Speaker 4: So it'll be very interesting.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think they're going to do fuck all because
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Speaker 3: we absolutely, unequivocally know that smoking causes death, right smoke
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Speaker 3: and no doubt about that.
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Speaker 2: We know that.
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Speaker 3: Yet it's still you can I can walk up the
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Speaker 3: road one hundred meters and I can buy ten packets
19:34
Speaker 3: of cigarettes and smoke them all tonight. It's a drug,
19:38
Speaker 3: it's fucking toxic, it kills people, but it's also profitable.
19:42
Speaker 3: And this is the dichotomy. This is always going to be,
19:45
Speaker 3: you know, where there is an organization that can make money.
19:49
Speaker 3: And not trying to pontificate here everybody, this is just true.
19:52
Speaker 3: Like the truth is cigarettes are like you can have
19:55
Speaker 3: these two divergent things. One is cigarettes are fucking terrible.
20:01
Speaker 3: Two cigarettes are fucking profitable. And herein lies the problem.
20:06
Speaker 3: You know, if I invented cigarettes. Now, if there weren't
20:09
Speaker 3: cigarettes in the world, and I invented them and they
20:13
Speaker 3: were tested, you would never ever get permission to sell them,
20:17
Speaker 3: right because we go, no, that's fucking they know they
20:20
Speaker 3: kill people. You're definitely not selling that drug. But because
20:24
Speaker 3: they're already any existence, you know, and this is that's
20:28
Speaker 3: always going to be the issue is you know, there
20:32
Speaker 3: will always be people that genuinely care about the welfare
20:36
Speaker 3: of individuals and this research that comes out linking certain
20:41
Speaker 3: lifestyle factors to be it, you know, breast cancer or
20:44
Speaker 3: lung cancer or any other kinds of cancer. But simultaneously
20:49
Speaker 3: interest groups who know that, well, fuck we this is
20:52
Speaker 3: how we make money, and we've got shareholders, and so
20:55
Speaker 3: we need to look like we're doing something. But at
20:57
Speaker 3: the same time, like I would imagine that that cigarettes
21:02
Speaker 3: could be banned in a short amount of time if
21:05
Speaker 3: the government really wanted to do that.
21:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you've got to wonder whether alcohol will go
21:09
Speaker 4: the way cigarettes has in terms of the advertising. You know,
21:12
Speaker 4: obviously the tobacco advertising, they've got health warnings on tobacco.
21:16
Speaker 4: Now I've been not on display in the shop, so
21:17
Speaker 4: all of that has changed, and I wonder if we
21:20
Speaker 4: ever well get to that point.
21:22
Speaker 3: Who knows, yeah, yeah, and the other obviously the practical
21:26
Speaker 3: reality is I mean, at the same time, I guess
21:30
Speaker 3: the big difference between birds and cigarettes is you can
21:32
Speaker 3: use alcohol in an intelligent safe way, but you can't
21:38
Speaker 3: use cigarettes in an intelligence safe way like alcohol is.
21:45
Speaker 3: And there'll be lots of people listening to this right
21:47
Speaker 3: now who are like, yeah, I don't have a problem,
21:49
Speaker 3: and they probably don't, and then there might be a
21:51
Speaker 3: few people leaning in going FUCKX Sarah. That's annoying because
21:55
Speaker 3: there's a light bulb going off in my head maybe
21:57
Speaker 3: I do have a little bit.
21:58
Speaker 2: Of an issue.
22:00
Speaker 3: And there'll be other people who already recognize that they do,
22:03
Speaker 3: and they maybe want to do something. And then we
22:05
Speaker 3: people like me that don't drink but nonetheless find it
22:09
Speaker 3: very interesting. I think it takes and this is diverging
22:14
Speaker 3: a little bit, but it takes a lot of courage,
22:18
Speaker 3: doesn't it to change? Like for you who I mean,
22:21
Speaker 3: I think from memory last conversation you kind of had
22:25
Speaker 3: your head in the sand a little bit and then went, well, fuck,
22:28
Speaker 3: I actually have a problem. But that must have taken
22:32
Speaker 3: for you to acknowledge that own up, step up and
22:34
Speaker 3: go I'm not an alcoholic, but this is still problematic.
22:38
Speaker 2: That takes a lot of courage, right, It takes.
22:41
Speaker 4: Courage, and it takes time. And you know, from my
22:44
Speaker 4: first break from alcohol to actually making the decision now
22:47
Speaker 4: there's nothing good for me in my life with alcohol.
22:49
Speaker 4: That took two years and then you know, and there's
22:53
Speaker 4: a lot of stops up, but eventually I reached that
22:56
Speaker 4: point of going, everything in my life is better when
22:58
Speaker 4: I don't drink. My parent, how I feel, my mental health,
23:02
Speaker 4: my physical health like, but sometimes we need to like
23:05
Speaker 4: everyone says to me, where do you start with your
23:07
Speaker 4: alcohol free journey? I might just take a break and
23:09
Speaker 4: just like I love and I've listened to obviously so
23:12
Speaker 4: many of your podcast grade, but that start to be inquire, well,
23:16
Speaker 4: how do I feel what I have a month off booze?
23:18
Speaker 4: What's my energy like? What's my sleep like? What's my
23:20
Speaker 4: mood like? What are my emotions like? How am I
23:22
Speaker 4: with my kids?
23:23
Speaker 3: Like?
23:23
Speaker 4: Start to get that information. But most people never take
23:26
Speaker 4: a long enough break from alcohol to know how they
23:29
Speaker 4: will actually feel without it in their life. And the
23:31
Speaker 4: thing with gray area drinkers is we never feel that
23:34
Speaker 4: bad that we think we have to stop, but we're
23:37
Speaker 4: feeling about five or six out of ten, But we
23:39
Speaker 4: don't know we're feeling five or six out of ten
23:41
Speaker 4: because that's all we've ever felt for a really long time.
23:43
Speaker 4: And it's actually from taking that break that you go, shit,
23:47
Speaker 4: this is what it's like to feel eight or nine
23:48
Speaker 4: out of ten. And that's what's so interesting in the
23:51
Speaker 4: work I do is supporting people and then they're like,
23:54
Speaker 4: oh my god, I've never you know, I'm sleeping so well,
23:57
Speaker 4: I've got brilliant energy, I'm parenting my kids differently. And
24:01
Speaker 4: they didn't identify as having a problem, but they were
24:03
Speaker 4: identifying that they were feeling a bit shit a lot
24:06
Speaker 4: of the time.
24:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so true. That is so true. And Sarah,
24:11
Speaker 2: I think like the idea of.
24:15
Speaker 3: You've probably heard me talk about this, but the idea
24:18
Speaker 3: of you being you know, the researcher and the subject.
24:22
Speaker 3: So I've been doing experiments on myself, not weird experiments,
24:26
Speaker 3: but like just lifestyle, behavioral, food, exercise.
24:30
Speaker 2: You know.
24:31
Speaker 3: I've been researching me since I was a forteen year
24:34
Speaker 3: old fat kid and trying stuff and seeing what the
24:36
Speaker 3: outcome was, and I think that that and I've spoken
24:40
Speaker 3: about this probably a dozen times over fifteen hundred episodes,
24:43
Speaker 3: but it's worth mentioning again, and that is there seems
24:47
Speaker 3: to be a sweet spot where for me, with my
24:50
Speaker 3: research with myself but also with my thousands of clients
24:54
Speaker 3: over the years, is to say, try something for twenty
24:57
Speaker 3: eight days. Now, you don't have to commit to it
25:00
Speaker 3: beyond that, and maybe on day twenty nine you'll undo
25:02
Speaker 3: what you did, or you'll go back to where you were,
25:04
Speaker 3: and that's cool. But what I like about twenty eight
25:07
Speaker 3: days is it's long enough to kind of stay focused
25:10
Speaker 3: and a bit excited and motivated, or short enough, i
25:14
Speaker 3: should say, but it's also long enough to see real results.
25:19
Speaker 3: And the thing is that if you so, if you're
25:23
Speaker 3: listening to this everyone and you go, I want to
25:25
Speaker 3: do a bit of an experiment. We're not talking about
25:27
Speaker 3: anything crazy or irresponsible or risky. But if all you
25:31
Speaker 3: did was keep everything else status quo and then just
25:35
Speaker 3: remove whatever, And in this case, let's say booze for
25:38
Speaker 3: twenty eight days, and if you drink every day, that's
25:42
Speaker 3: going to seem like a lot. And if that seems insurmountable,
25:45
Speaker 3: then maybe that's even more of a reason to try it.
25:49
Speaker 2: You know, if that.
25:50
Speaker 3: Seems overwhelming, then maybe that's your internal sat nav going, hey,
25:54
Speaker 3: fucking maybe it's time. But the thing about twenty eight
25:57
Speaker 3: days is we tend to be Mike experiences mentally and emotionally.
26:02
Speaker 3: We can do that most people can, but also physiologically.
26:06
Speaker 3: It's long enough to actually get real world data and go, oh,
26:10
Speaker 3: what Sarah said is right. I'm wow, my cognition's better.
26:15
Speaker 3: I think clear, I'm making better decisions, my energy through
26:19
Speaker 3: the day. It's like, this is different but related. When
26:22
Speaker 3: I stopped eating lunch, which was at the start of COVID,
26:25
Speaker 3: because I was moving less and eating the same, and
26:28
Speaker 3: I started to gain fat and wait quite a bit,
26:32
Speaker 3: probably four to five k's, and so I decided I'm
26:36
Speaker 3: just not going to eat lunch for a week or two,
26:40
Speaker 3: just to kind of mitigate what was happening. But the unexpected,
26:45
Speaker 3: massive benefit for me was my mid afternoon cognitive slump
26:49
Speaker 3: didn't come every afternoon, seven days a week. I would
26:54
Speaker 3: get a bit tired about two or three, and I'm like, oh,
26:57
Speaker 3: and I couldn't. My brain didn't work as well, and
26:59
Speaker 3: I yawn and all of this as soon as I
27:02
Speaker 3: stopped eatings through the day. And again this is just
27:05
Speaker 3: my body, my physiology and my experience, but everything got better.
27:11
Speaker 3: And so that was the last time I ate lunch,
27:12
Speaker 3: which was five years ago now four and a half
27:15
Speaker 3: years ago. And that's not a recommendation, that's just a
27:18
Speaker 3: personal experience. And so I'm with you. I think the
27:21
Speaker 3: idea of just trying and seeing what happens is definitely
27:26
Speaker 3: worth definitely worth doing.
27:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, the University of Sussex in the UK did a
27:31
Speaker 4: study of people who took thirty days off alcohol and
27:34
Speaker 4: then they released the results and it's really interesting, like
27:37
Speaker 4: the percentage of people that you know, some that you
27:39
Speaker 4: would expect lost weight, saved money, slept better, have more energy,
27:44
Speaker 4: but also like people were noticing, oh, I've realized I
27:47
Speaker 4: can navigate social situations without needing to drink. Ah. I
27:50
Speaker 4: find that my confidence is growing. I'm putting my hand
27:53
Speaker 4: up for things at work that I never used to do. Like,
27:55
Speaker 4: it's really interesting to see the actual mindset shift that
27:58
Speaker 4: can take place, not just the physical shifts.
28:03
Speaker 3: Well, congratulations, you've written in a new book. I love
28:06
Speaker 3: the title because I love the word. I like the
28:09
Speaker 3: word booze. It's just an Aussie word. I know that
28:12
Speaker 3: other papers, but it's such an Ausie word. And the
28:15
Speaker 3: book is called Beyond Booze. Give us the synopsis of
28:20
Speaker 3: the book.
28:21
Speaker 4: So I wanted to write a book that was not
28:23
Speaker 4: about how to get sober, because there's a lot of
28:25
Speaker 4: books out there on how to get sober. It's a
28:28
Speaker 4: book about how to stay sober. So a book about
28:31
Speaker 4: what it actually involves to create a life you love
28:35
Speaker 4: so you don't need alcohol. So I dive deep into
28:38
Speaker 4: how to manage your stress and build that nervous system regulation,
28:42
Speaker 4: how to what's your fun plan? What are you doing
28:45
Speaker 4: for fun that is not just about going out boozing.
28:48
Speaker 4: How are you going to navigate your relationship if many
28:51
Speaker 4: of my clients they've been in relationships for twenty thirty
28:54
Speaker 4: forty years and they've always drank together, and so what
28:57
Speaker 4: do you do if your partner still drinks but you
28:59
Speaker 4: are making that decision to go alcohol free for a period.
29:02
Speaker 4: So it's all of the areas that most of my
29:05
Speaker 4: clients have been struggling with over the four years that
29:08
Speaker 4: I've been doing this job, and all the tools and
29:11
Speaker 4: strategies that I have found have worked the best for and,
29:15
Speaker 4: as I said before, my general sweet spot of the
29:17
Speaker 4: people I work with as midlife women that helps them
29:20
Speaker 4: to create a life where they don't need to end
29:22
Speaker 4: every day at five o'clock pouring a glass of wine.
29:25
Speaker 2: Do you have any well congratulations? Do you have many?
29:30
Speaker 3: I'm sure you have people reach out to you go hey,
29:33
Speaker 3: I read the book, or I adopted your ideology, or
29:36
Speaker 3: I'm following your advice and I'm getting amazing results.
29:40
Speaker 2: Tell us about tell us about one of.
29:42
Speaker 3: Those, because I'm sure there must be a person or
29:45
Speaker 3: a couple of people that stand out.
29:47
Speaker 4: I'm getting hundreds of messages saying this book is life changing.
29:53
Speaker 4: There was one email that I got from a lady
29:56
Speaker 4: and she is in her sixties, and she had been
29:58
Speaker 4: drinking quite heavily. She'd had a very traumatic life, and
30:01
Speaker 4: she read my book and on she was on day
30:05
Speaker 4: sixty seven when she emailed me, and she just said,
30:09
Speaker 4: I can't believe that everything in my life is different now,
30:13
Speaker 4: like my relationship with my adult kids, my relationship with myself,
30:17
Speaker 4: and actually the future that I want to build for myself.
30:20
Speaker 4: And so I always say, alcohol keeps us small when
30:24
Speaker 4: you're tired, hungover, feeling five out of ten, you are
30:27
Speaker 4: not going to go out there and have a big, wonderful,
30:29
Speaker 4: exciting life. And removing alcohol. For the people that I
30:33
Speaker 4: work with, I find that the biggest transformation is that
30:36
Speaker 4: they go on to create big, exciting, fulfilling lives because
30:40
Speaker 4: they're not being held back by the anxiety, the lack
30:43
Speaker 4: of sleep and everything that alcohol brings.
30:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that's amazing, good for her. And you think
30:49
Speaker 3: about like, apart from the fact that I don't know
30:53
Speaker 3: because I've done buy a booze, but it seems to
30:55
Speaker 3: me it's not cheap, so it costs lots. And not
31:01
Speaker 3: that we need to be too body weird here, but
31:04
Speaker 3: like there's quite a lot of calories, and so you
31:07
Speaker 3: just chucking and all these calories in your body that
31:09
Speaker 3: you don't need, right, So there's that. Then you've got
31:12
Speaker 3: to do something with those. And your body recognizes our
31:14
Speaker 3: colors poison. So olcohol is fat sparing. So if you
31:19
Speaker 3: have a pizza and booze, your body's going to deal
31:21
Speaker 3: with the booze before the pizza. And then on top
31:25
Speaker 3: of the top of that, it's a cognitive impairment. Like
31:29
Speaker 3: when you drink booze.
31:30
Speaker 2: It dulls your brain.
31:32
Speaker 3: It literally lowers your IQ, like, literally lowers your IQ
31:36
Speaker 3: temporarily and impairs cognitive function and of course balance and
31:41
Speaker 3: coordination and judgment and a whole bit like apart from
31:45
Speaker 3: the fact that you might temporarily get out of bottom
31:47
Speaker 3: stress and loneliness, or you may socialize a bit a
31:52
Speaker 3: bit better, Yeah, there ain't There ain't a lot of upside.
31:56
Speaker 3: But again, having said that, we also need to acknowledge
32:00
Speaker 3: that you can incorporate booze into your life in a
32:04
Speaker 3: sensible way. But I think it's just that, I think
32:07
Speaker 3: it's just that being brave enough to acknowledge that what
32:10
Speaker 3: you're doing is over the line. You know, this is
32:14
Speaker 3: not a healthy, sensible kind of protocol on following this
32:17
Speaker 3: is over the line, and I maybe need to own
32:20
Speaker 3: up and step up.
32:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.
32:22
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And like I always say, you know, I'm not
32:25
Speaker 4: out here saying alcohol is the devil. No one must
32:27
Speaker 4: ever drink again. But for people who've ever questioned their
32:30
Speaker 4: relationship with alcohol or or are in the process of going, yeah,
32:34
Speaker 4: it's not making me feel like it used to. It's
32:36
Speaker 4: taking me longer to bounce back. Then it's permission to
32:39
Speaker 4: say you can take a break and you can see
32:41
Speaker 4: how it feels without it, because we've got to remember
32:43
Speaker 4: that the Australian culture is much like the British culture.
32:46
Speaker 4: It's you know, alcohol's the only drug you have to
32:49
Speaker 4: justify not taking. You say you've stopped smoking, and people
32:52
Speaker 4: are like, good on, you're well done, and you say
32:54
Speaker 4: you've stopped drinking, and it's oh, don't be so boring,
32:57
Speaker 4: come on, just have one. And so it does take
33:00
Speaker 4: courage in our society to stand up and make that change,
33:04
Speaker 4: but it is worth doing. And I always say to everyone,
33:08
Speaker 4: be curious. Just just see it as an experiment. Take
33:11
Speaker 4: a break and just notice how it makes you feel.
33:13
Speaker 2: Well.
33:14
Speaker 3: We also have a tendency to where, you know, the
33:17
Speaker 3: booze badge, you know, like it's a great thing. Okay,
33:21
Speaker 3: we're going to get shipped, we're going to get wasted.
33:23
Speaker 3: It's like a badge of honor. It's like a rite
33:27
Speaker 3: of passage for probably more young men than young women.
33:31
Speaker 2: But still, you know, speaking of young men and young women,
33:35
Speaker 2: is it just my.
33:38
Speaker 3: Misinformed observation or a younger people drinking less than younger
33:43
Speaker 3: people used to.
33:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the studies are showing that younger people are
33:47
Speaker 4: drinking less than the only demographic in Australia where alcohol
33:51
Speaker 4: use is going up and not down as middle aged women.
33:54
Speaker 4: Wow wow, I guess which is why I'm so, so,
33:58
Speaker 4: so busy. And the other reason you know, around this,
34:01
Speaker 4: Craig is we've got to also look at the marketing
34:04
Speaker 4: of alcohol directly directed towards middle aged women. At the
34:07
Speaker 4: time of us recording this, it's going to be Mother's
34:09
Speaker 4: Day and one of the leading stores in Australia has
34:13
Speaker 4: got a pair of pajamas with champagne bottles all over
34:16
Speaker 4: the pajamas and on the bottle is written time to
34:20
Speaker 4: wind down. We are normalizing and romanticizing and celebrating alcohol
34:25
Speaker 4: as something for women, that mums need to relax, to
34:28
Speaker 4: unwind and all of those things. And it just doesn't
34:31
Speaker 4: sit right with me that young girls are going out
34:33
Speaker 4: there and thinking that in order to be a mum,
34:36
Speaker 4: you're only reward at the end of the day is
34:37
Speaker 4: to consume alcohol.
34:39
Speaker 3: Hm, you do, pint a good picture there, or an
34:44
Speaker 3: accurate picture, you know. I also think, I mean, this
34:50
Speaker 3: is just how my brain works, but I think, Okay,
34:54
Speaker 3: you get one body, you can't get another one. You know,
34:57
Speaker 3: you can get another house, in another job, get more money,
35:00
Speaker 3: get another husband if you want. You can get another car,
35:03
Speaker 3: you can get lots of shit, but you can't get
35:05
Speaker 3: another body. And that's not to say, you know, everyone
35:09
Speaker 3: who drinks booze destroys their body, but I personally, and
35:14
Speaker 3: I'm probably boring, but I think every day I'm thinking,
35:19
Speaker 3: if not consciously, subconsciously aware, what's the best thing that
35:24
Speaker 3: I can do for my body? Like yesterday, which is
35:27
Speaker 3: very rare for me, So we're recording this.
35:29
Speaker 2: Friday, the tenth of May.
35:31
Speaker 3: Yesterday, for some reason, my body was smashed and I
35:35
Speaker 3: went and laid on my bed at four point thirty
35:38
Speaker 3: and I slept until six pm. I rang my training partner,
35:42
Speaker 3: the Crab, which I would maybe do this once a
35:45
Speaker 3: year and go, I'm fucked, I'm not training.
35:48
Speaker 2: But I never do that. But I did that yesterday.
35:51
Speaker 3: And I did it not because I'm lazier, I'm trying
35:53
Speaker 3: to duck any kind of commitment, but because my body
35:57
Speaker 3: just said. And I woke up today and I felt
35:59
Speaker 3: so great, and I went, oh, I did the right thing.
36:02
Speaker 2: And so I think, like you know, for me, I
36:06
Speaker 2: feel a.
36:06
Speaker 3: Responsibility, like my body is a gift. Your body is
36:09
Speaker 3: a gift. I think, what's the best thing that I
36:13
Speaker 3: can do for my body in terms of sleep, in
36:16
Speaker 3: terms of booze, in terms of food, in terms of lifestyle,
36:20
Speaker 3: in terms of you know, recovery, and even socialization like
36:24
Speaker 3: impacts my health, my nervous system, my immune system, connecting
36:29
Speaker 3: with people laughing. Like you said, what's my fun plan?
36:32
Speaker 3: I don't know if you got that from me, but
36:34
Speaker 3: I use that all the time. I go, yeah, cool,
36:36
Speaker 3: what's your Everyone's got a financial plan and this plan
36:39
Speaker 3: and a business plan. What's your fun plan? And most
36:42
Speaker 3: people don't have one, you know, because they had fun
36:46
Speaker 3: when they were fucking eight. But there's no room for
36:48
Speaker 3: laughter now because I'm wearing the busy badge and get
36:51
Speaker 3: out of my way, you know. So I just think
36:55
Speaker 3: that whether or not it's about booze, or whether or
36:57
Speaker 3: not it's about you know, or whether or not it's
37:01
Speaker 3: about sleep, or whether or not it's about drinking water
37:03
Speaker 3: and staying hydrated, or how many coffees and stimulants I
37:06
Speaker 3: have in my you know, daily rituals, it's just like, okay,
37:09
Speaker 3: go and forget, forget the individual things, but let's just
37:13
Speaker 3: zoom out to the macro. Is this thing that I'm doing?
37:18
Speaker 3: Is this good for my body or bad for my body?
37:21
Speaker 3: Just that, like, don't wrap any emotion around it. Don't
37:24
Speaker 3: start to go ah but Ahbert Albert, just go is
37:27
Speaker 3: this good for me? Or is it maybe bad for me?
37:31
Speaker 3: Or somewhere in the if somewhere in the middle, maybe
37:33
Speaker 3: we don't need to worry. Yeah, but if we know
37:36
Speaker 3: that we are consciously doing things that are you know,
37:41
Speaker 3: we had a guy on recently, Jack the Bear. To remember,
37:46
Speaker 3: we had Jack on and one of the things he
37:48
Speaker 3: was doing was snorting cocaine. And listen to this, Sarah.
37:53
Speaker 2: He would drink eight hunts sorry, eight liters of coke
37:58
Speaker 2: a day is over yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, which is
38:02
Speaker 2: over two hundred teaspoons of sugar a day every day, wow, every.
38:09
Speaker 3: Day, two hundred plus teaspoons or a kilogram plus of
38:15
Speaker 3: sugar a day, and using cocaine like actual cocaine, not
38:20
Speaker 3: coca cola, and not sleeping and you know, it's like
38:23
Speaker 3: the human body is fucking incredible. But he stopped all
38:27
Speaker 3: that cold turkey ish and lost seventy k's. But he
38:31
Speaker 3: says himself, he wouldn't be here, he wouldn't be here.
38:34
Speaker 3: And I think, like the time to recognize these things,
38:38
Speaker 3: whether it's booze, whether it's coca cola, whether it's you know,
38:41
Speaker 3: fucking being in a horribly stressful environmental that whatever it is,
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Speaker 3: is to be able to recognize that, acknowledge it, and go,
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Speaker 3: I can't get another body. This is the only one
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Speaker 3: do I want to keep doing this thing to my
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Speaker 3: body because it is a conscious choice. Even when we're addicted,
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Speaker 3: and I understand addiction and work with addicts, it's still
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Speaker 3: it's very like beating an addiction is maybe one of
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Speaker 3: the hardest things that humans can do. But nonetheless, at
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Speaker 3: some stage we still need to try to zoom back
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Speaker 3: and find a level of objectivity and make hard decisions
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Speaker 3: around the shit that we're doing that does and doesn't
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Speaker 3: work right.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I always say, like, quitting drinking is hard
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Speaker 4: but gets easier, and staying drinking is hard too, but
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Speaker 4: I think gets harder because the more we do it,
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Speaker 4: the less our body can cope as we're getting older
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Speaker 4: and everything. And the biggest feedback I get and I
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Speaker 4: work with people, average age that I'm working with it's
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Speaker 4: between forty and seventy years old, and particularly my ladies
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Speaker 4: who are like fifties and sixties, they said to me, goodness,
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Speaker 4: I wish I've done this years ago. I can't believe
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Speaker 4: how good I feel, and I wish that I'd done
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Speaker 4: this twenty years ago.
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Speaker 3: So I mean, I don't want to circle back too
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Speaker 3: much because we're going to wind up. But so boredom, stress,
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Speaker 3: and loneliness are the common denominators for many women, according
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Speaker 3: to you, who drink booze in that age bracket you
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Speaker 3: just described. It's almost like alcohol is is the symptom,
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Speaker 3: is the consequence, but these other emotional things are the problem.
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Speaker 2: And we're trying to.
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Speaker 3: Resolve emotional internal issues with booze totally.
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Speaker 4: And I've written all about that in my book, that
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Speaker 4: a lot of people think alcohol is the problem, that
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Speaker 4: alcohol is the solution. We've got to deal with the
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Speaker 4: underlying problem of why we're drinking. And if we deal
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Speaker 4: with that, then that completely removes our need for alcohol.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, well, so good, well, congratulations. How do people
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Speaker 3: tell people about where they can connect with you your
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Speaker 3: Facebook stuff, how they can become part of the tribe.
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Speaker 4: So I have a free community for women called the
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Speaker 4: Women's well Being Collective and that's a free Facebook community.
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Speaker 4: My book Beyond Booze, How to Create a Life you
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Speaker 4: Love Alcohol Free, is available in all the big shops
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Speaker 4: around Australia. It's on Amazon, It's in the UK, America, Canada,
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Speaker 4: so all over and Instagram. I'm quite present on just
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Speaker 4: my name, Sarah Ruspect.
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Speaker 3: You're a bit of a big deal now. Are we
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Speaker 3: going to be able to get you back because you're
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Speaker 3: so fucking successful now?
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Speaker 2: Or will you remember us little people?
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Speaker 4: I'm really not, but thank you for saying that. I
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Speaker 4: love what I do. I'm very very passionate about it,
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Speaker 4: and it will be my message and what I will
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Speaker 4: do for the rest of my time here is to
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Speaker 4: really be that shining light for people that need it,
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Speaker 4: who are trapped in that cycle and want a way out.
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Speaker 3: I think what you're doing is great. I genuinely think that.
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Speaker 3: I think what you're doing is great. I think the
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Speaker 3: awareness that you've educated me I didn't really you know,
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Speaker 3: everything that you say makes sense, but I wouldn't have
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Speaker 3: identified that as the way that you have. And I
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Speaker 3: think you're doing a really good thing for people who
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Speaker 3: need that kind of awareness and assistance and support, so
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Speaker 3: we'll talk off air, but.
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Speaker 2: For the minute. Sarah, thanks a lot.
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Speaker 3: Enjoy enjoy chatting with you again and thanks for coming
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Speaker 3: on typ Thanks for having me, Thanks Tiff, No more
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Speaker 3: booze for you.