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LeRoy Butler talks his 16-year wait, Hall of Fame trials, being a forever Packer · NFL explained.

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  Speaker 1: of weeks. Had a great guest on today, Leroy Butler.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited for our today's guest. I'm really really looking
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  Speaker 1: forward to a big fan of him watching. In my
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  Speaker 1: whole life growing up, I've actually played the same position
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  Speaker 1: as he did.
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  Speaker 2: Safety.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me welcome in my partner in crime, Charles
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  Speaker 1: pen tellman, I don't even.
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  Speaker 2: Care about him. I'm more about.
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  Speaker 1: Our guest today, Lee Roy Butler. Let me read down
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  Speaker 1: his resume right now. He was the second round pick
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  Speaker 1: like myself. I will get to know what number he
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  Speaker 1: was exactly when it was in the nineteen ninety draft
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  Speaker 1: out of Florida State. He played his entire twelve year
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  Speaker 1: career with the Green Bay Pactors. Green team, just say
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  Speaker 1: green team.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly why I'm doing the introduction today, all right.
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  Speaker 1: And then he was inducted into the Pro Football Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame in twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: He's wearing his gear today.
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  Speaker 1: He's also in the Packers Hall of Fame and the
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  Speaker 1: Ring of Excellence.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know it was a difference.
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  Speaker 1: And he now is a businessman with his own vodka
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  Speaker 1: and a radio and TV podcast host. Our today's guest,
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  Speaker 1: Lee Roy Butler, Number.
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  Speaker 4: Thirty, guys, this is honor having three dvs on the.
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  Speaker 1: Show, right, we all have funny We always get geekd
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  Speaker 1: when we get dvs. We do always get geek because
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  Speaker 1: we all speak the same language. Yes, that's so, I
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  Speaker 1: guess we are one of the ones, one of the
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  Speaker 1: ways we kick this thing off, is we all have
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  Speaker 1: our welcome to the NFIL moment.
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  Speaker 3: I know I got my bell wrong. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: got the whole rookie Hazen thing, and you know Ted Wahsington,
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  Speaker 3: you know that's a I'll say that for another day.
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  Speaker 3: What was your welcome to the NFL moment on the
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  Speaker 3: field in nineteen nineteen ninety, nineteen ninety, like football was
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  Speaker 3: a little different back then.
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  Speaker 2: I want I want the off the field too, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I got a good field. I think
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  Speaker 4: that's where I was gonna go. But on the field,
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  Speaker 4: it was my rookie year. Was a three day holdout,
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  Speaker 4: but it wasn't my fault. But didn't want to you know,
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  Speaker 4: like I said, that was second round pick. So I
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  Speaker 4: get in there late and then I come in and
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  Speaker 4: you guys know, you come in the locker room and
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  Speaker 4: you got grown men in there. Yeah, it's not kids,
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  Speaker 4: like we're at college. So I go in there and
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  Speaker 4: I and then the equipment guy says, you know, they're
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  Speaker 4: already on the field. I said, so what do I do?
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  Speaker 4: I just signed my contract. He said, get dressed. So
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  Speaker 4: I go to my locker. I got number thirty six,
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  Speaker 4: I put it on. I was I was six at
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  Speaker 4: Florida State, so put it on. I go down there
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  Speaker 4: and everything is fine, going through practice, and I think
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  Speaker 4: we were playing a preseason game against Cleveland, but that
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  Speaker 4: wasn't it. Later, Uh, somebody got hurt and I was
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  Speaker 4: to back up nickelback and they say you may have
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  Speaker 4: to couple Jerry Rice. I say, I ain't doing it. No,
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  Speaker 4: I ain't doing it. Montana is the quarterback. And that's
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  Speaker 4: when I said, God, I'm glad I got on yellow pants.
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  Speaker 4: Correct now, I'm pissing my pants to go and God
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  Speaker 4: is so good and God has really protected me. I
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  Speaker 4: only had to cover him once and it was a
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  Speaker 4: run play, and I said, man, this is the NFL,
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  Speaker 4: because that's when San Francisco was rolling. Yeah, and we
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  Speaker 4: weren't that good. I'll be honest at the time. But
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  Speaker 4: so that's when I said, that's.
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  Speaker 5: And that's nineteen ninety right, Yes, yes, it's like I
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  Speaker 5: never I never thought it would be like this because
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  Speaker 5: as a kid growing up in the inner city in
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  Speaker 5: the projects like I was, that was my dream to
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  Speaker 5: be on this field, right right, So I'm thinking you
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  Speaker 5: go cover anybody, you know, got to say that all
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  Speaker 5: the time.
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  Speaker 4: I'm the man. I'll cover anybody, not Jared or Taylor.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't want nobody, nobody.
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  Speaker 1: The first game I ever started was in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and three. It was the fourth game of the season,
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  Speaker 1: and and I had to cover jer Rice. Oh boy,
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  Speaker 1: Tim Tim Brown.
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  Speaker 2: That was my first game Raiders careers.
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  Speaker 3: This is two thousand and three. You're talking about nineteen nineties.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about two thousand and three.
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  Speaker 4: I still had to cover j Rice.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I thought I did something good. I had like
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  Speaker 1: three p I s. Because he because he d Rice,
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  Speaker 1: because he's Jerry Rice.
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  Speaker 2: He got all the calls.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just when my coach was my coach came back,
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  Speaker 1: was like, hey, you're doing a hell of a job, rook.
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  Speaker 4: But that's j Rice.
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  Speaker 2: He gonna get that call every time.
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  Speaker 3: Just keep being aggressive, keeping he gonna he gonna get
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  Speaker 3: that Cally.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing. I don't think you.
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  Speaker 3: I did not know that two Hall of Famers is
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  Speaker 3: the first game I started.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, welcome a great player the league. I was like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my god, I gotta say something before I say
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  Speaker 4: that off the field about Peanut. This is I didn't
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  Speaker 4: waiting to tell you this a long time okay, because
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  Speaker 4: I waited sixteen out. I know I'm getting ahead of myself.
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  Speaker 4: But if I don't say, I'm gonna forget it. I
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  Speaker 4: waited sixteen years getting the Pro Football of Fame. And
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  Speaker 4: I remember a guy asking me when I was a
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  Speaker 4: semi finalist. I said, if I had the hands of Peanut,
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  Speaker 4: I'd already been in the Hall of Fame. He said, well,
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  Speaker 4: I said, cause I dropped twelve picks. Now, I ain't
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  Speaker 4: talking about don't want to tip. I'm not hit in
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  Speaker 4: the chest. Yeah, because I can't catch. So I said,
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  Speaker 4: if I had his hands, I have more picks, maybe
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  Speaker 4: I would be in a long time ago. And it
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  Speaker 4: was a Chicago writer. He put it on one of
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  Speaker 4: the blobs or something, and one of the guys, uh said, man,
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  Speaker 4: I thought the Bears the Packers hated each other. They
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  Speaker 4: don't give each other's compliments. I said, man, that's fake
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  Speaker 4: wrestling stuff. You you know, you honor a guy that
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  Speaker 4: could do something better than you. So I always wanted
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  Speaker 4: to tell you that I appreciate that. Thank you. Off
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  Speaker 4: the field, I'm gonna tell you guys, for me, this
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  Speaker 4: is emotional because I didn't have a. It wasn't a
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  Speaker 4: lot of money back around. But the first meeting starts
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  Speaker 4: at nine o'clock. Okay, so I'm thinking I can get
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  Speaker 4: in there eight fifty eight in Florida State. You can
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  Speaker 4: come in there at nine fifteen, and you all America, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: you're good. I came in there, like read at nine
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  Speaker 4: o'clock and everybody was looking out the last one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody looked at me. I'm late. I'm looking okay. When
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  Speaker 4: I got down to my locker after the meeting, which
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  Speaker 4: is about an hour, I had a fine in there
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  Speaker 4: for ten thousand. Ooh. I said, this is my first fine.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know how it works. I don't. I'm
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  Speaker 4: like reading it. I'm like, what was going? Oh, they
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  Speaker 4: say you was late and it's one thousand dollars a minute.
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  Speaker 4: I said, what why y'all didn't tell me that? He said,
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  Speaker 4: you didn't read the rookie handbook. I said, no, there
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  Speaker 4: isn't one. The veterans tell you. So it was like
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  Speaker 4: a and I'm thinking it's just a joke, just a joke.
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  Speaker 4: Hey man, they took it right right out your check.
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  Speaker 1: I said, never se So nineteen ninety, how much was
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  Speaker 1: it how much was a check in nineteen ninety What
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  Speaker 1: would you say if you.
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  Speaker 4: Can back then, we had checks. You're right, peanut. We
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  Speaker 4: didn't have direct deposits, right like some of the millennials now. Now,
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  Speaker 4: it was a check and they put it in your
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  Speaker 4: So my my first one was two hundred and seventy thousand,
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  Speaker 4: and after Fiker and the Fairs and everybody, I got
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  Speaker 4: like maybe ninety eight because they they put some money
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  Speaker 4: up to save for you. But I've been pour all
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  Speaker 4: my life in poverty. And I told my mom, I said, Mom,
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  Speaker 4: I got the first check. It's like ninety something thousand.
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  Speaker 4: She said, put it away, do things. But it really
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  Speaker 4: opened my eyes. Yeah. But and then somebody brought me
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  Speaker 4: down because I thought it was a lot. Uh. Brian Noble,
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  Speaker 4: I'm in the linebacker. He had a million dollars after taxes.
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  Speaker 4: He said, don't worry about it. Real you got plenty
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  Speaker 4: of time to make money. But that's when it put it.
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  Speaker 4: It was. It was real deal for me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now we got to talk about something current and just
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  Speaker 1: get it out the way.
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  Speaker 2: The people want to know.
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  Speaker 1: You're a Green Bay guy. Aaron Rodgers finally being gone
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  Speaker 1: and traded.
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  Speaker 4: Leg for them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just I just just I'm just leave
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  Speaker 1: it at that.
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  Speaker 2: What is your opinion on it?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna keep it one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: There we go.
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  Speaker 4: I hope you do, because now this is gonna be
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  Speaker 4: different from Uh. I played for one team my whole life,
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  Speaker 4: the passion of that, so I look at different the
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  Speaker 4: other guys, I really do. But with Aaron Rodgers, it
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  Speaker 4: seemed like he's not happy. Yeah, because if I was
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  Speaker 4: getting a three year, one hundred and fifty million dollar
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  Speaker 4: game for yes, and the Packers gave him everything, and
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  Speaker 4: we allow this with every quarterback, they can do whatever
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  Speaker 4: they want to do, pay him the most money. Fine,
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  Speaker 4: But what really it got under my skin was he
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  Speaker 4: started to really pit himself against the team in which
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  Speaker 4: they gave you everything, even when they got Randall Cobb
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  Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. With the Cobs, love the
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  Speaker 4: guys family, They did everything for you, check every box.
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  Speaker 4: You still wasn't happy. And then you know, going into
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  Speaker 4: the darkness, which I never even heard of it. He
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  Speaker 4: can stayed in my basement of fifty thousand. You had
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  Speaker 4: to go to Oregon, I mean he can stay down
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  Speaker 4: there and brought it and set the phone down there
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  Speaker 4: some food, but I had to get the money though, right,
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  Speaker 4: But he was never happy and that really bothered me.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like this fan base and Pina knows that their owners.
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  Speaker 4: We don't have an owner. You have to buy a
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  Speaker 4: stock certificate and you put it on your wall so
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  Speaker 4: you feel like you have a say in the team.
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  Speaker 4: And it just feels like when they drafted Jordan Love,
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  Speaker 4: things got a little different. I think the narcissism probably
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  Speaker 4: came out. They drafted Antoine Edwards from Clemson, a safety,
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  Speaker 4: one of my best friends. He's supposed to replace me.
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  Speaker 4: Darren Sharper. The drafted him, and I said to myself self,
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  Speaker 4: I want this organization to succeed. When I'm going, I
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  Speaker 4: don't care who you draft. That's my brother. It's a
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  Speaker 4: competitive thing in there, especially if I was getting that
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  Speaker 4: kind of money. But it just seemed like to me
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  Speaker 4: that he was never happy. So I wasn't surprised that,
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  Speaker 4: but I think let's go back. I think they gave
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  Speaker 4: him the money though, guys to say, don't waffle like
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  Speaker 4: Brett did for the next three years. Here's your money.
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  Speaker 4: Just play.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you played for the same organization.
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  Speaker 1: Do you ever think about anywhere else, maybe like being
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  Speaker 1: tired after they draft.
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  Speaker 4: That's a great question.
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  Speaker 1: Do they taught draft Antoine Edwards like, man, I need
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  Speaker 1: to get up out of here.
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  Speaker 4: Never I had to talk with my mom. She passed
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  Speaker 4: away in twenty sixteen, and I remember her saying, this
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  Speaker 4: fan base, you can lose four straight. They ain't calling
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  Speaker 4: for your job. You can go to the super Bowl
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  Speaker 4: after thirty one years. They ain't trying to replace you.
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  Speaker 4: They love you because they see it locally, because I
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  Speaker 4: live in Wisconsin. You can't leave that. So I took
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  Speaker 4: three pay cuts to do that because I said, this
• 12:38
  Speaker 4: fan base is amazing. I mean, I just they understand
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  Speaker 4: that the other guy gets paid too. So if one
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  Speaker 4: of you guys got to pick six against the Packers,
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  Speaker 4: they're upset. And there may be some people, oh this
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  Speaker 4: guy is a bum, but the majority of the people, aymen,
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  Speaker 4: a guy made a great play and we understand that.
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  Speaker 4: But for the most part, we're gonna win games. So
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  Speaker 4: I remember the closest I got the leaving was ron
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  Speaker 4: Wolf came to me. I was a transition player. Remember that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even know if they used that anymore. The average,
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  Speaker 4: the top ten sound.
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  Speaker 2: It was a transition tag, right, Yes, that.
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  Speaker 4: Was they had the franchise. We always talk about that
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  Speaker 4: Lamar had but he got congratulations to Lamar, but it
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  Speaker 4: was like the top ten guys. That mean they'll match
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  Speaker 4: it and if you give them a first or second
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  Speaker 4: round whatever. And Ron Wolf came to me, he said,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, We're gonna franchise tag you, but we're
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  Speaker 4: gonna sign you to a deal, three year deal, and
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  Speaker 4: do you really love it in green? I say more
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  Speaker 4: than anything. We worked it out and then when it
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  Speaker 4: came to me to restructure, see people get it sometimes
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  Speaker 4: twisted restruction and pay because you get to look at
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  Speaker 4: the language. Just gonna say a restructure. If you're a
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  Speaker 4: grown man and you're your thirties, they just gonna write
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  Speaker 4: your check four five million dollars. Let social media to
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  Speaker 4: say you got a Bay cut.
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  Speaker 2: But you got that money right right now?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and you're not nothing to worry about.
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  Speaker 4: If they release you, you can do whatever. So I
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  Speaker 4: did that three times, and I just never had never
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  Speaker 4: dawned on me playing in another uniform. I want to
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  Speaker 4: see all my football cards one team. Sometimes it's not
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  Speaker 4: your control. Yeah, they the team just release you or
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  Speaker 4: trade you. But if my control like Aaron had a
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  Speaker 4: chance to do that, there was nothing in me would
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  Speaker 4: have said, I want to do exactly like Brett Fahre did,
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: waffle and go to the Jets. I just wouldn't have
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  Speaker 4: done it.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's rare that nowadays a player will play
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  Speaker 3: for the same team. I, like yourself, wanted to remain.
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  Speaker 1: In Chicago my entire career in.
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  Speaker 3: Years eleven and twelve were so terrible, like it made
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  Speaker 3: football not fun for those two years I was there,
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  Speaker 3: and I've been talking to other player who tried to.
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  Speaker 1: Get me to go elsewhere. But I was to be
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  Speaker 1: honest with you and be vulnerable.
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  Speaker 4: I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was scared.
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  Speaker 4: I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was scared because I had been in Chicago for
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  Speaker 1: so long.
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  Speaker 4: And other players are other teams.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because because I had signed a year deal. So
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: Thomas Davis, the linebacker for Carolina, we would talk and
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  Speaker 3: he was like, I would always save me Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: We'd be at this Man of the Year stuff and
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  Speaker 3: he's like, man going to come to Carolina, Man going
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  Speaker 3: to come to Charlotte's nice.
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  Speaker 1: And I was always like.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm a Chicago guy, you know. And then I
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  Speaker 2: finally had to.
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  Speaker 3: I had to get uncomfortable. And I preach this to
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  Speaker 3: my kids all the time, get comfortable being uncomfortable. I
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  Speaker 3: had to take my own advice and I was very
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: uncomfortable going to Carolina making that choice.
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  Speaker 1: Like I was scared. And it was like, man, because
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: I know Chicago, they just like Green Bay. They take
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  Speaker 1: care of you. It's like living on scholarship as an adult.
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  Speaker 1: They love you, they love their teams.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to leave that.
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  Speaker 2: I really was scared.
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  Speaker 1: So now that you are in the Hall of.
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  Speaker 3: Fame and you play for one of the greatest, oldest,
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  Speaker 3: greatest teams in.
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  Speaker 1: The NFL, how has life been in.
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  Speaker 3: Wisconsin for you, even after making the making the Hall
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  Speaker 3: of Fame?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I say this. I think it's confusing to people
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  Speaker 4: because they think when you're in the Hall of Fame,
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  Speaker 4: they won't see you, Like if you're in la if
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: you're in New York, you know the big city. I
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: live in Old Creek, Wisconsin. Which is I say South
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  Speaker 4: Milwaukee because you know you're google it And seriously, I
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: have no idea where it is. Alexa don't know where
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  Speaker 4: it is. But they see me at the grocery store.
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  Speaker 4: They see me taking my son to school every day
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  Speaker 4: and they're like, with thof for sure you would move.
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  Speaker 4: I say, I am who I am. That's why I
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  Speaker 4: was in order for me to see kids because I
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  Speaker 4: grew up in the inner city and Milwaukee is that
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  Speaker 4: type on the North Side. When I speak to schools
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: about anti bullying, and I have a mental health summit
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: that's coming up in October, and I'm trying to develop
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: to where kids can get mental health on their phone,
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: like a FaceTime. You can talk to a therapist and
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: just say I have some issues. And here in Peanuts
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: saying on this podcast, he was scared of something probably
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: saved somebody's life. Because as men, you think I ain't
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: scared of nothing. No, it's not true. It's a lot
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: I'm scared of. But are you men enough to admit it?
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: That's their respect. That's why it gives me a huge platform.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: But it also gives me a bigger platform to get
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: my message out because I'm working on a documentary about
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: my life story. Growing up in the projects, single family home,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: had braces on my legs like Forrest Gump, my mom
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: getting a divorce from my dad, and Jacksonville, Florida, no
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: air conditioning, no stove, had hot plates, and to get
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: drafted by the packers. So when people see me, I
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: always try to I want to be normal, could I'll
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: be honest. I'm be honest because you' all my brothers.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: I first made it. The guys who make it first ballot,
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: they're not really excited like me to wait sixteen years.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: They expected it's ye just coming and they don't really
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: come around and some of them, some of them don't
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: really like to see me make it because it thinks
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: that waters down what they did. But when you were
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: a gold jacket, you're all goats. Nobody's of anybody right,
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: And I would wish they would say, you know what,
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: this is my brother, because it's only like three hundred
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: and seventy one guys in the Hall of Fame, super small,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: and it's like you sit there letting everybody in. It's
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: almost like if you went to a family reunion and
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: everybody names on the shirt and you see a family's
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: name on the shirt and they didn't contribute, Like wait
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: a minute, the shirt's only five bucks. You didn't buy
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: your shirt, your names all that, and you're complaining, right,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: so it just because people like Peanut. It shouldn't be
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: an issue whether or not he is in or not.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: It shouldn't be an issue. So he's gonna feel like, man,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: this is great, but they're gonna be a dB who
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: was in there. He said, Man, you know that's wrong.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: It ain't up to you. It ain't up to you.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: It's not up to you. It's up to people vote,
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: well do you like it or not? And I just
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: think that somebody like Zach Thomas, this guy was.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Huge, huge.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I loved his reaction.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: I mean it was it was emotional.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: It's emotional.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like getting drafted again, Like it breaks
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: you down.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: It breaks you down, and it's such a like I
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: made it to me.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: It's it's the same things about getting drafted when they
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: call out in the forty third pick or whatever the
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: New Orleans stakes, Roman Harpring for that moment.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Hell, yeah, this is it.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: And then you get to experience that again when you
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: see the big guy, you know, the Hall of Fame dude,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: the big real good he come knocking on your door
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: and yeah, I think it's I love how they do
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: it now and I'm glad they don't make people wait in.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: The hotel room. Well, Jim Porter is the new I'm
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: glad you brought that up. It's a great transition. Jim
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Porter is the new president. Now he's doing it different
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: than mister Baker. Like Peanut said, they would put you
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: in a room. Now you think I have anxiety. I
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: get a therapy once a week for the last twenty years,
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: and some of its free. Though it's all good. It's
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: a trade, but at least I go. But you sitting
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: in the room and you wait for a knock or
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: a phone call. I had to do that twice. One
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: time was in Miami, sitting in the hotel with my
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: wife and two of my best friends. We're just waiting, anxiety.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: You just you never you got a phone call, and
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: the phone call says you didn't make it.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: So they put you in the hotel just to tell
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: who you didn't.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's the excitement, I guess. I don't know.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: But do y'all say the night or is it just yeah?
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: They yeah, they yeah, you on scholarship. They yeah, they
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: put you up. But it's each wherever the super Bowl
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: is or whatever, and you're sitting in there. So the
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: next year, with the pandemic. So that's worse because everybody
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: gets a phone call. So you know the phone calls coming.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: And I remember uh in twenty one shout out to
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: twenty one and one of my favorite rappers. By the way,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: love Twitter bringing down Twitter.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I loved it.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Love Twitter. What I'm trying to get free tickets. Him
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: and Drake come to Milwalker, my brother. We go do
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: our part. We do do something for me. Some think it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: The guy says, hello, mister Butler. I said, yes, sir,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: he said, Unfortunately, I said, what I see you next year.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: You ain't got to get me out. I'm good because
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: I A lot of guys may not even get this call, right.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: He said, you know what, that makes me feel so
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: good to make these calls because I just got cussed
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: out by four players. And I'm a Christian man, and
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: I do like, do not appreciate because I didn't. I
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: don't have no say so over whether you get in
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: or not. You bother you got, I'll say, let'sten call
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: the next guy. So this year, Jim Porter, who I appreciate.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: He was at my house for two hours before I
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: knew who he was. He wanted to be all of me.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: They got Charles Woodson to come to my house to
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: knock on the door. So now they had they'll go
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: to the door, or they'll come to your house with
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: like fifty camera men and women to get your reaction,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: and they'll get one of your teammates to you know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: tell you and they'll call your wife and your family.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: And so every year they've been switching it up the
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: last two years. But that's so the way. So if
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: you're at your home, your anxiety is coming down, and
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: you said, okay, I didn't make it if I got
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: a phone call, but at least some home, I didn't
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: travel somewhere, so it was pretty cool, you know.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't think I knew the whole
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: complete process, especially emotionally. They take you somewhere, they put
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: you up, so naturally you're feeling good. But now you're
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: behind his closed door and you don't know, and it
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: kind of like you're saying, they put you through this
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: trauma almost if man, and you're doing this for however
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: many years, you've already been waiting sixteen And I'd never
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: heard anybody say I've been waiting sixteen years.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: This was amazing.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Most people don't wait for sixteen years and feel amazing
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: about the end result. Maybe who you share with us
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: is that just you as a person, or they just man,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: you're just happy to be here. You understood that you
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: played in Green Bay and that after all this time,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I actually have the opportunity.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: To do it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Well a few things. Lee Ramo from the Green Bay Packers,
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: he was an immediate guy, came by my locker one day.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: He say, man, you made a decade and I ain't
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: know what that meant. And he put his little readers down.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: He looked over his glasses. You may be in a
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: hall of fame one day. I don't know when. So
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: I never thought a lot about it. And the more
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: and more, you know, I retired. My mom two thousand
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: and nine. She was like, we should prepare for your speech.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: I said, speech for what She said, you may make
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame. You got to be prepared. I said, Mom,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: that's too narcissist to to do that. She said, first
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: of all, I don't know what that means. The second
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: of all, come, my mom was a comedian. She said,
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: just be prepared. And then it just seemed like to
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: me that everything started to change when you're a finalist
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: because now you know it may happen, you really don't
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: know win. And then I was thinking, Okay, when it happens,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: you know, try not to change. So I put it
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: like this guy, and I'll be very honest with you,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: just the best way I could put it, because I
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: want people to feel what it means to this kind
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: of knocked. It's almost as if, because I told my
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: wife this that you're a young lady. You've been dating
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: this young man for fifteen years, sixteen years, and every
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: day you think he's going to propose to me, but
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: he never does. Matter of fact, you go to five
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: or six weddings and see your girlfriends up there getting married,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: and you're sitting in the audience and it looks like
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: you're happening for it, but really you're saying, I hope
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: she tripped. I hope her hair piece fall off. I
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: hope something bad happened. But you said, oh, she's so beautiful.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: You take people to weddings to get that. Every year
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: you get there and it don't happen. But the one
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: time you give up on him, I'm done. We got
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: three kids, sixteen years and I'm done. You're never gonna
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: ask he get all the family together and you come
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: through and Charles Woodson is knocking at the door. That's
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: what it feels like, something that you know was gonna happen.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: You think it should happen. But am I entitled to it?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: No?
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: But I've been here for so long. I've done all
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: these great things. I've gone to bar mitzvazz, I've gone
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: to like step shows, everything was it. I've been there
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: for him. He won't give me the ring. Then he
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: finally does. It's amazing. It's amazing feeling when you get
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: something that you personally think you deserve. But that don't mean.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: That's a great I like how you I like how
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: you put that representation.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I do and talking about rings here peanut, don't get jealous.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: You want to sit here, we go with this boat.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Could you talk and.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Share with me? Play in New Orleans.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't even forget that. Yeah, back and then they're
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Was I mean the super Bowl after, the party after
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: is probably amazing. Oh my god, So share with me,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: like what it's like to bring a championship back to
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: the great fans in Green Bay and how special it is.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're one of their guys. You're in the
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Ring of one Hunter and all those other things.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: There's nothing.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Well, he's in the Ring of Honor, but also is
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: it the Ring of excellence?
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Semantics.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Really he's also a part of that one as well.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: It says excellence though not I like this.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: I like this.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Don't disrespect it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Like this, you can't disrespect it. You're correct, both of
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: y'all correct.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, y'all correct. So for me, it was
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: different because I was the only one there from nineteen
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: ninety when we were four and twelve, but it wasn't
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: my fault, though they need to get better players. The
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: next year were six and ten. It was terrible and great.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: We're gonna use that in Chicago that one year we
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: were nine.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Nothing to do a great year. But it was getting
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: dark at four o'clock to be realistic, So.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I've been there. It gets dark at four.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: God and my best friend Emms Smith Deon said they're
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: winning Super Bowls and I'm like, man, this single never happened.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: But then we got Brett Faire, we got Reggie White,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: and then I remember we beat Carolina nineteen ninety five
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: ninety six, and I saw a sign and they said
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: thirty years of misery has ended with going to the
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl. I said, what, I didn't realize that the
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: fan base just waited thirty years from the next Super Bowl.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: So that was very impactful. We go to New Orleans
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: and Super Dome is huge and it's amazing, and I
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: saw Luther Vandrosky and he was there. I said, lu,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: I'd have made it God, And then the Blues Brothers
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: were like the halftime entertainment. Dan aykro the Lucia and
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: these guys. It was a big deal. And I was like,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: this is what I remember being a kid because I'm
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: a Cowboy fan growing up. I mean I was a
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: huge Cowboy fan. I used to crawl under the bed
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: and cry when they lost games.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Like most Cowboy fans do today.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Still yah, yeah, that's true.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: They still do it today.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Tell you, when I saw rocher Stalback, I almost fainted.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, so I'm saying now, I'm here as an
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: African American from the South, from the projects, crime and
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: everything to make it to where And I saw the
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: the Lombardi on the trophy, and I know, Lombardi is
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: kind of our thing. Vince Lombardi Lombardi Trophy It was
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: very emotional because I thought about that fan base, some
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: of dead and some of living for those thirty years,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: thought they would never see it happen. So it was amazing.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Now we went the following year, but you can google
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: the results for that.
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be back
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: in a minute.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: So you you talk about, you know, growing up in poverty,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: being poor Florida, What was what was that like when
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: obviously you're a heavily recruited kid coming out of high school.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, and I'm pretty sure you could have
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: went to any college.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I'm jealous. I'm envious.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: I didn't.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I didn't have those skills like you.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: But what was it like when when coach Bolden, uh,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: when he offered you that scholarship.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: You're trying to make me cry, No, I do this,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: my brother don't.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: What was that? What was that moment like y'all told
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: him to ask me this, No, sir, no, sir, okay,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: professional makes up all of his own questions.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: H If you realized where I was from and what
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: I had to go through, I was a consensus all
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: American in high school. As you said, everybody know who
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: I was. But I got a letter from my teacher
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: and she said, you can't go to college. I said why,
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: She said, you didn't pass the essay T tests. I said,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: what the hell is the essay T test? Well, you
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: got to take that to get into college. I said, well,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: she said you didn't pass that either. So my life
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: was over because the only way I thought to get
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: out of the project is my mam out of poverty
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: is to play in the NFL. So my life was over.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: But I'm gonna tell you God, it's good because my
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: algebra teacher, mss Gordon, got a letter handwritten from coach
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Bobby Bowden Rest in peace, and he says, tell mister Buller,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: I need to do a home visit. I'm coming to
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: see him. Now, think about this. I got letters from
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: every college because I was an All American. Every college
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: you can come to our school. But when they found
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: out I was a prop forty eight that I didn't
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: pass SAT, they all never rolle back. It was nothing.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: I got no letters from Florida State, pressed on, and
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: then I said to myself, wait a minute, why is
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: he coming to see me. He had thirty kids he
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: was recruiting, and I bet you twenty five of them
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: were all Americans. He could have made a home visit
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: to any one of those kids, anyone of them. But
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: he says, I'm coming to the projects to see mister Butler.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: And when he drove up and that maroon Buick, I'll
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: never forget it was a convoy. Can I remember telling
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: Brad Scott, the head recruiter, I said, man, where I live,
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: and you can't just be driving down in there now.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: They don't think something up, you know, you can't rolling
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: there like u FBI. He said, don't even worry about it.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: And they had police down there and everything. They drive
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: up to our apartment and we have a couch. It
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: has like a big hole in it, and my sister
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: got like a two by four to put under the Yeah,
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: just sit there, and then she was trying to pull
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: the plastic from the love seeking it's smaller over there,
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: because she said, if he comes in, you know, it's hot.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: You know, we have nothing for him to drink but water,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: but it got stuff on top of the water and
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: the one glass. Then we let my grandma drink out
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: of you know, it's clean. Say that for coaching, and
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: he walks in. He said, miss Butler, I gotta have it.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: She got all emotional, and I'm thinking, waited, God, wait
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: a minute, why you pick me to navigate these rough waters?
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: To know that I must go to college. Nobody in
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: my family has ever been to college. Nobody. I'd be
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: the first. And every night I was sleeping, I wake
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: up in a cold sweat, not from the air conditioning,
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: by the way, but saying I'm not gonna make it
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: cause I didn't pass the test. But when he told
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: my mom that changed my life. It made me think
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: that this ain't no mistake. That I owe it to
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: my family, and I owe it to myself and the
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: people that believe in me. Not to get in no trouble,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: not to go break the law, not to be out
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: smoking and drinking and doing no I used to get
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: on the trailways in the Greyhound with my student I
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: d with nine dollars just to go back home. And
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: I said, I asked him, I said, Coach Bob, why
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: you pick me? He said, it was something about you
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: that I didn't get from the other guys. You just
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: want a chance. I didn't even want to play. I
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: didn't have a position. I was a linebacker, you know,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: high school, you play everything. It was just athletes. And
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: so my freshman year I didn't even play. And I
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: remember they went to play Michigan. They were going to
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: play Michigan, and the team's buses are leaving to go
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: play Michigan. That is a big game. They got one
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: hundred thousand people stadium. It is huge. They're going to
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: the airport and I'm waving to the team smiling like
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: good luck, guys, and the guys on the bus like,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: what the hell wrong with this guy? Man, this guy,
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: you should be upset you're not on the bus. I
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: got plenty of times. You just go play. I see
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: y'all next year. I need to go get my books right.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I got my GP up to a three point ohero.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: I focused in on what it was about. So when
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: you asked that question, it changed everything about me to
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: say that this ain't no mistake, right, and it was.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: It was my sister. She's still crying because she couldn't
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: believe it. This coach, you don't understand. Coach Bobby Ball
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: was an eye country. He had his own show and
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: it come on right after church, because you know, downside,
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: we go to church two hun the day's a week Okay,
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: he missing church and there's a Bobby Ballen show. Now
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: he's in the project to see my brother, and so
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: it was like changing.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: That's so you've had success in well, yeah, you've had
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: success in high school, success in college, success.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: In the league, super Bowl champion.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Now you're a Hall of Famer and you're working on
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: this documentary just about your life and just kind of
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: the struggles and the success and everything that you've done
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: up until this point in your life. Like, what are
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: you hoping to get out of that?
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I just want a young lady, young man somewhere to say,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: you know what, it's bad for me, but it can't
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: get no worse than mister Bucker and he made it. Yeah,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: he ain't no better than me, right it? And you
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: don't need money. Because we were popping my first new
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: shirt I ever had to I pop a tag. I
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: always wanted to hear that sound you pop a tag,
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: and it never came until I was twelve years old.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: We went to the Salvation Army and they had toys
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: over here and they had all this stuff and I
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: told my mom, I don't want no toys. I want
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: that shirt. It was just a regular white T shirt.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Sort of like what Peanut has on. Just like I said,
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: I want that shirt. It wasn't even my size, but
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: in my head I wanted to pop that tag. And
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: now young lady said, you know what, go get this shirt,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: Go get it, popped it, put it on and it
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: didn't even fit me. My sister had to like tie
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: it in like a nod and flip it. But to me,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: I say, I want people to say, if you don't
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: like a restaurant, start your own. If you don't like
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: the way somebody's doing something, start your own business. My
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: grandmother gave me the best compliment. She said, you have
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: a unique ability because God gave everybody a talent, and
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: your talent is you could ignore negative stuff if it
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: ain't true, ignore it because once they know that it
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: gets her in your skin, you're gonna see it every day.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: And that's what made me say, when people see me
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: and they see this document, I ain't never known this
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: guy had it this bad? Yeah, and how's he so grounded?
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: House He's a normal guy, And that's what it's gonna
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: find out. I want to be a normal person, to
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: be a leader, not a follower. But if you're going
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: to follow, you to write leaders, and to me, it's
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: my teachers, our grandparents. My mom is my hero, the
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: people I see every day. It wasn't a guy dunek
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: to the basketball or playing football. It was my mom
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: every day to get on three buses, just a carpool
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: to bring food home. And then when food didn't come,
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: you go to the food pantry and you stand in
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: line and kids are on the bus and cars screaming
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: and yelling, picking at you because I'm trying to eat.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: And my mom said, why that don't bother you? I said,
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: could all those kids go on my autograph? Because I'm
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: here to survive, to make it for you, and that's
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: what they're gonna get out of it.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: So when does this come out and how can we
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: possibly get it?
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: It's gonna be by two years because I'm blessed because
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: it's hard to find your teachers. I'm fifty four years old,
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: and I found two of my teachers. Ms. Gordon, who's
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: in my Hall of Fame speech, and mister Gracie, my
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: ninth grade basketball coach who helped me shoot free throws.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: He said, they're gonna file you, so you got to
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: shoot free throws when everybody was gone, I say, oh,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: I'm about to miss the bus. I'll take you. People
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: don't know coaches do this. So to find the people,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: I need to really put it together. And then the
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: last thing, the apartments or projects where I was born
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: and grew up, is gone toward now, so it's too
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: much crime. They got rid of it. So I would
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: think my if I had blessing, which is God is good,
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, July twenty eighth, will be the premier.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: That's my mom birthday July twenty eighth, because it's about her,
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: because she's passed on, but she's still orchestrating my life.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: And it seemed like one of the best compliments I
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: got from the filmmaker Patrick Creating. He said, when you
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: meet Leroy Butler, it's like his mom standing right behind him.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: They think about that. Wherever you at, your mom standing out,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: you're gonna act a certain way, even if you're shooting dice.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: You had to canseay you know, you're okay, Mom, I
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: can't do this, can't It don't matter. That was an
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: ultimate compliment.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: You know, Larroi, it seems like when I hear you talk,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: how much other people in your life have influenced you.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, and it just you know, because.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: You maybe talk about that and how you've passed that
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: down to your own children, and like how you're trying
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: to influence them, not only them, but everybody else in
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: your life. Talked about teachers, you talked about parent you
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: talked about coaches, everybody else has really helped influence the
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Roy Butler, how are you taking that and moving to
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: forward in your life?
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: That's another great question because I don't think people realize
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: I got my first book and you have. They had
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: what you call a book mobile. It's like you're going
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: to and buy books. I couldn't afford it, so officer
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: friendly that the resource office.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: At the school his n officer friendly.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: We used to call them brown. Yeah, it was offsprinded,
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: but then officer brown. So we used to call all
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: the resource officer officer friendly. And he said, why ain't
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: you getting any books? I said, I can't afford it
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: because I wouldn't hand me down. My brother wore this. Uh.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: I used to tell them that the kids say, your
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: brother wore that two weeks ago. I said, you're wrong.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: My brother had it on yesterday and I watched it
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: out of us thinking and I put it on. I'm
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: not in school for a fashion show. I'm in school
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: to learn from this artest people in the world. But
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: he said, come see me tomorrow. I go by there.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I didn't go on the bus. I just stood outside
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: and looked at you get the books. Kids have got books?
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: Who can afford it? I got buy his control car.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: He has seven books for me. Put them in the bag.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: He bought me a backpack and he gave it to me.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: I said, I can't afford this. He said, I paid
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: for him. So my mom when she saw that, she said, you,
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: I know you didn't steal these books. I said, no, ma'am.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: Officer Friendly gave it to me Officer Brian. So my
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: first book that I own that I didn't have to
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: check out of the library and return it was from
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: a police officer. And that changed my life. So I
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: tell my kids. I have six daughters and a son.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: My son's my favorite. Don't tell my six daughters. Did
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: they know? Trust me? You want to be my favorite?
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Work harder my kids. I teach them to be leaders
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: in the community, and I teach them whoever helps you
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: just put that message out there. And that's what I'm
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: a big message board for helping people. And that's what
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: I always try to tell my kids, my cousins, my nephews,
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: my nieces. You didn't do it alone. Your parents deserve this.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: Your parents help you and try to get them to
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: be independent, but really helping people. I don't want to
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: be the headline. I want to be the story. Some
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: people see the headline, they keep read on swiping. Why
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: don't you go back and read, Oh, I got the
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: facts of what happened. You just see the headline that
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: just rolls people in.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: So your leadership, I mean, you're you're you're real big
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: in leadership, and I think that's kind of trans transferred
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: into your business. And you previously just said, well, if
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: you don't like it, just make one on your own.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: The fact is that that kind of how you came
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: up with.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Great question, man, y'all good?
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Because leaf spirits, is that how you came up with that?
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: You're good, y'all good. I don't have an Emmy for y'all,
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: but I'm gonna have to write up something we'll take
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: at I'm telling you, that's exactly what I had in
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: my head when I got this phone call. Because what
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: I'm about to tell you, probably gonna shock you, both
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: you and your audience. But I get a call in
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: the this right in the pandemic Chad Greenway that played
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: for Minnesota. People say exactly, and we just got y yeah, yeah,
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: shout out to Van Nest. We just got him from
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: Iowa for the UH at the Packers. So I get
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: a phone call and Chad said, l Roy, what's up? Man?
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: I said that man was going on? He said, Man,
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: I got a business opportunity. I get a lot of
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: those phone calls, but sometimes they don't never go nowhere.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: He was like, Man, we want to great dut Is
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: the company want to start a vodka in Wisconsin. We
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: want you to be a part of it. I said, well,
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: now know, Chad, I don't drink. He said what I said,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: I don't drink. But every time I drive to the stadium,
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: I see thousands of people in the parking lot. I'm like,
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: what the hell are they doing? Won't they just go
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: home and just come win the games? They tailgate? So
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: I said, you know what, this is what I'll do
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: if you can let me name it and be an owner,
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: not an ambassador. Because shout out to fifty got a
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: lot of vodka. I don't drink none of it's for y'all.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know he didn't drink, right, exactly, it's
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: not your portfolio.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: He got a big one.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: It's portfolio. He kill it right now, preach.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: So I said, well, you know what, let me so
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: he's they made a presentation. We're in. I can call
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: it lap vodka, and which was amazing, and then it
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: was perfect too, could just rep I mean, everything was
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: coming on the upswing of getting in the Hall of Fame.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: And then I said, and you know this, we also
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: know for brons and the state of not sausages, bros
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: cheese skirts. Yes, that's our thing. So I started my
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: own brock as well. And I because I'm a culinary guy, Uh,
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: could I do all the cooking in the house seven
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: days a week. I tell my wife, I'm gonna cook,
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna clean, I'm gonna play the bills, I'm gonna
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: do everything. You just keep them damn kids away from me. Okay,
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: that's your job, except for my son. It's twelve years old.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: That's my dog. So the business side of that, you
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: have to do that because when you're sleeping, you gotta
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: make money. And that's what my mom told me. She said,
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: I don't need you don't need to be the richest
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: guy in the world. You just want to be enough
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: to where you could pay your bills and have enough
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: for the phone calls. I know, both of y'all get
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: can you cash out me two hundred? Can you zell
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: me zay Ooh? What the hell is that? Can you
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: vendoo me? These are your kids, your family members, and
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: they don't expect you to say no, So you gotta
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: have money for that. And you also have to have
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: money for the one thing I'll say about Andrew Brandt
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: from the Packers, me and him had a conversation. This
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: is my last big deal, I said, Andrew, I want
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: to be rich when I'm old, not when i'm young.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: He said, huh. I said, think about it. You get
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: your Social Security in your sixty five or whatever, and
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: you can live out your great days when you're young
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: throwing money up, got bent Lee's and all that, and
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: then when you're in your fifties and sixty you broke.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: I don't want that. I want to have a seven
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: point fifty to eight hundred credit score. I want to
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: have money in the bank when I start to hit
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: sixty years old, so that's why I do business opportunities
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: like that. So when I hit that ade man, we
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: try to get a little roy on the podcast. Man,
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: this man golfing and Bermuda. Ain't that a triangle? No,
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: he's golfing there by himself with these rich folks. He
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: got a yacht. No that. I mean, that's what I
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: want when I'm older. And I tell young men that
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: now you want to be rich when you hit sixty.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: You can get your pension if you want to, you
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: can get all that, but save that money. Save it.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, if you want to really floss on them,
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: go to Claire's and get you some fake jury. They're
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: not gonna know.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Do they expect?
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah them real Domino, they ain't. But you save your
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: money when you're older, not when you're younger.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: All right, yea, So we're gonna we're gonna pivot. We're
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: gonna hit hit you with some quick hitters, real quick.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I think I know the answer to this.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: I better take a drink on them.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, because you answer to this.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: I think I know what it is. But what do
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: you think your greatest sports accomplishment.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Is Oh, my greatest sportsccomplishment.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Watch him say, like high school basketball.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: I should say that throwman. Now I say that I.
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: Was great pe when I need dollars, I was All
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: Conference at basketball.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, Now I'm one of the greatest shooters of all time. Me,
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Regie Miller, Michael rid Steph Curry were all in the
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: same thing. But I put that to the side. Now,
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: Michael Ridd, I got Michael Red the Bucks. Yeah, it's
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: had to get people name they can google. But I
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: think the greatest accomplishment that I wake up as I'm
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: in all the state of Florida picked thirty three players
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: for one hundred years and I was on that team.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: Oh wow, that blew my mind. That's big. That blew
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: my mind, especially the.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: State of Florida.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: They got some some balls.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: To this day, I still don't even believe it. So
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: that that that's probably my biggest accomplishment. I would say,
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: if I could pick one play, if.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: You don't mind, go Pleat the Super Bowl.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: Playing the Super Bowl, I go over to the coach.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: I said, hey, I ain't blitched yet and we're in
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: the third quarter. Was happ't it? I mean, what my
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: family sitting up there too. He said, what are you
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: talking about? I said, man. He said, okay, if they
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: get split backs with Dave Maggott away from Reggie, you
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: can go. I said, you sure, yes, but you know
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: you got to tell your safety, which was Eugene Robinson.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: I said, Eugene, if they give me a split bag
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: or the back offset to my side, I'm gone. I'm
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: gonna translate that means I'm blitzing.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Appreciate lady us don't know that.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: I'm gone, because both of y'all know. When I say
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: I'm gone, ain't no coming back. I don't care if
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: he's motion, I'm gone. And I got the formation, so
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: I gino. He'said, okay, Rod, he just got a little
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: deeper because I got covered. Swim from a cover four
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: til I'm gone, So weak side it's a hole there, yeah,
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: and shout out that Drew Blad So that's my guy.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Drew, but going there and Maggot comes and
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: he didn't cut me. I say, it's gonna cut me.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: Didn't cut me, so I went through him. I had
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: the leverage, and I saw Blodsoul's name, and this would
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: be allegedly a horse callar now, but don't go look
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: at it, not.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Inside the pocket.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go, Thank you Roman, smart guy got
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: you grab him. I sacked him and I did some
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: weird dance. Forget about that part. When I got to
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: the bench, one of the interns came to me and say,
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: you know what, eighty million people probably saw that place,
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: and that's the one I wake up, and I say,
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: cause I got a picture of it on my wall,
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: and every me and my son eating breakfast, it's like
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: rapped behind we kind of look at it. What you
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: can do when you study and when you you know,
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: how did that that formation even run a slant? I'm
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: gone ready for the moment. He's to do it all
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: the time. And you know how you when you squat
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: and there it is only saftists can know that what
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: it was that play, that that was the preparation.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: My question is your top five defensive players all time?
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: Top five defensive players. Yes, it's some bias now, Reggie
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  Speaker 4: White love that. Reggie White to me changed the game
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  Speaker 4: because I never knew they can slide the line to
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: a guy. I thought they just max protect, but they
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: would slide the line to Reggie Lawrence Taylor to me,
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  Speaker 4: is a difference maker because he told you what he
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: was going to do and he would do it.
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  Speaker 1: And do you have an example where you heard him
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: say something and he went out.
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  Speaker 4: There and did it. Oh, whenever Lawrence Taylor. See to
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  Speaker 4: Lawrence Taylor playing Dallas Philly in his division, that's when
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  Speaker 4: I used to watch. I gotta see this playing Washington,
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, and then they used to have them micd
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: up back in the day. Yeah, and I forgot who
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: he's sacked. He said, son, this is gonna happen all day.
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  Speaker 2: That was against the Philadelphia Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: I remember that player on the NFL films he sacked
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: and was like, I looked at him.
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  Speaker 4: Like, son, Yeah, I actually wanted two dollars from a
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: golf bet. But that's my guy. He's fine. Reggae, White
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  Speaker 4: fifty six and Deon Sanders to me is he taught
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  Speaker 4: me about branding long before branding was a thing. When
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: he was at Florida State. He has to say, I'm
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: the best corner, and I think I was like a
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: sophomore agin. If they kicked the ball to me, it's
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: a touchdown. I mean. So he was just transcending. I
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: don't think ever see another Dion Sanders Deion sand argue
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  Speaker 4: that could be the best player of all time. So
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  Speaker 4: those three and then this next guy. I get emotional
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: saying them because he can be arguably the best. Ronnie Lot,
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  Speaker 4: there's not another safety to me that made a difference
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  Speaker 4: to run a Lot and to boot. He's a nice guy,
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: but he played so mean. He used to run through people. Yes,
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: he never dropped the pick. I said, let me see
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: your fingers. He said, wow, he said let me see
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: because one of them I heard he cut his finger
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: off and I'm like, let me see, come on, and
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: he so he was. That guy was amazing man. Ronnie
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: Lot and this other guy the reason why I think
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  Speaker 4: he should be. He's in my top five. I mean,
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: you're gonna forget a lot of people. But Darryl Green
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: is so fast because people his size ain't supposed to
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  Speaker 4: do that.
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  Speaker 2: Great point.
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  Speaker 4: I tell people all the time it ain't about size
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: and height, weight, it's if you can play. And twenty
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  Speaker 4: eight to me was amazing. So Dahn, that's my five.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I like it too.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Hey man, that's an amazing answer, dope answer.
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  Speaker 4: I love it. You.
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• 56:36
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• 56:39
  Speaker 1: This is the first time twenty one Savage has been
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  Speaker 1: referenced on this podcast. We also had a drake drop
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: and I've never heard anybody compliment Michael Jordan's baldhead like you.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: Have, so hey man, but Gold James is the greatest
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: of all time. That's right.
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