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You are here tonight for Vikings United.
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I'm your host, Bubba Starts, joined as always by my cohost Big B.
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What's up, B?
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Nothing much.
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Just watching a lot of news today about the NFL and, you know, stuff like that.
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Who got tagged?
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Who's gonna probably get released?
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Trades, talks, all that.
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Big shout out and thoughts to everyone over in Iran with everything going on over there.
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Hopefully, everybody comes home safe.
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So I just wanna throw it out there.
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But outside that, just ready to talk some football.
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Awesome, man.
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We'll bring in coach Cody.
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What's happening, Cody?
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What's going on, fellas?
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How are feeling?
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Feeling good tonight.
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Man, I've had a good day.
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Excited to share that the tour is most definitely happening with the same projects
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right now.
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Excited to get this 5,000 mile journey underway later this week, which means that I will be out
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for the next couple of weeks on Vikings United, but y'all are gonna be in good hands.
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My guy, Wild Willie, is gonna be producing the show for you all.
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So, Bea, you're gonna be in charge, man.
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You ready for the big stage?
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I'm always ready.
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I'm always ready to step up and show what I could do.
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I'm hosting and, you know, we definitely we'll probably have a lot to talk about the league
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league starts, the new league year, they call it March 9, I believe.
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So we're gonna have a lot of people getting caught, traded, you know, all that fun stuff.
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So the fun is about to begin.
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Yeah.
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Well, I picked a good time to take a couple of weeks off.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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Well, we know you'll be listening a little bit when you can.
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So
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I will be definitely trying to tune in.
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I gotta look at my schedule and see whether I'm traveling those days or what I got going on.
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Most of my stuff is kinda during the day.
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So on most, you know, rock and roll tours, you would think you'd be busy during the evenings,
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but the way that I've arranged everything, and not that we won't be out and kinda mingling, is
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that most of what we're doing is in the middle of the afternoon, which kinda leaves our
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evenings more free to go network, which is more what the tour is about.
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Yes.
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We're doing performing.
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Yes.
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We are, you know, bringing people on to, bringing people in to feature them on our TV
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program for the scene projects with the songwriters showcase.
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But it's really about getting out and networking, meeting some of these people in
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these bigger markets and getting out of the the Upper Midwest here where the weather is
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turning.
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I saw the geese are heading back north now, and I'm heading south.
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So it's perfect timing.
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Yeah.
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No.
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It's it's always a good time of year.
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I mean, especially, you know, if you're into the hot or the high school sports seat scene.
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I mean, we definitely got some good boys and girls hockey and basketball coming up.
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March Madness is coming.
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So you're definitely that winter sports fan, this is your time of year with all these
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tournaments and stuff.
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And then, of course, baseball just kicked off spring training, all that fun stuff.
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So it's a good time to be a sports fan around this time of year.
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You know it.
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No.
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And speaking of speaking of baseball, and I know we got some big fans here, but we got a
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new new show coming out.
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Let's see if I can find the graphic real quick.
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That's not it.
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That's not it.
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That's not it.
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You don't need
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to put that out there.
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Well, well, thank you.
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You're looking for the graphic.
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We got a new show.
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Me and Bubba will be hosting seven eight nine.
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That's right, man.
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We'll definitely get the breakdown of my twins, his cubbies, you know, but we're always happy
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to bring somebody on that's a fan of a different team so we can, you know, rag and
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tease them and, you know, they could tease us.
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But, I mean, you know, definitely gonna be fun to just talk round ball, the diamond, you know,
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the good weather, try to get off to some games.
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I
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got one rule.
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No Dodgers fans.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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No Dodger fans.
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News.
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I'm I'm excited for this.
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Yeah, man.
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Me too.
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It's gonna give us something to talk about during the summer when the football season
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slows down, and really looking forward to just having an excuse to talk baseball.
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I love the sport.
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Mhmm.
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You know, it it'll be a weekly kind of review of what's going on.
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I don't know if we're gonna do it, you know, just kind of replace Vikings United with seven
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eight nine for a little while or what we're gonna do or if I'll find another night to, you
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know, take up my, time with.
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But Danielle's almost done at the, at the bowling alley anyway.
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So, it kinda changes our routines, as we move through.
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And yeah.
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But I'm excited.
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I'm excited to bring in a baseball show, you know, our our our cohost and, you know, friend
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of friend of the show, Ryan Shady.
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Brady was off this last last week.
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I mean, he played a little, you know, semi pro.
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You guys both played semi pro ball as well.
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So we're almost better poised for a baseball show, even a football show, I feel like.
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah.
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Yes and no.
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I mean, but I mean, football is 16 games, 17 games, playoffs.
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So and then it it goes away for a little bit where baseball, you know, a 162 games and how
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much can you break down nightly and stuff like that.
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So Alright.
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Me play
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this the boy a few things tonight.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That was like gonna
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be hype.
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I I got some I got some content ready for us already.
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So Let's go.
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Well, speaking of content, we got a lot of that coming tonight as well.
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B, why don't we recount a little bit of the news while I'm getting this banner up there?
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I know Aaron Jones and Javon Hargrave have received a couple of letters.
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Anyone else on that list?
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No.
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Vikings, no.
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I haven't heard any Viking news.
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Kyler Murray's been given the walking papers pretty much from the cardinals.
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I don't think we're shocked about that.
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Four players got the tag franchise tag, traditional tag, picking for the cowboys.
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Daniel Jones surprisingly got the one for the Colts.
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I'm trying to think of the other two.
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Not Rice.
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What's his name?
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For the Jeff running back.
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Reese Hall.
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No.
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Yeah.
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He got it.
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Yeah.
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Reese Hall got it.
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And then the fourth one was
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can't think of
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the fourth one offhand.
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So and then, of course
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Honestly, I feel like the biggest news out of the franchise tags are maybe the ones that
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didn't.
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The biggest one being Kenneth Walker Yep.
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Over there in Seattle, which means he's gonna become an unrestricted free agent.
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Gotta be one of the hottest FAs out there.
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You you'd have to think Super Bowl champion really carried that team on his back.
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Did he end up being the MVP too?
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I kind of Yeah.
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Yeah.
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How crazy is that?
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How your Super Bowl MVP to UFA in a matter of three weeks?
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Like
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That's the biggest sense of a factor.
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That's a slap.
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What your team had money like the Raiders and the Titans do so they can go out there and sure
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up that running back spot.
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I mean
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It's not like Seattle's broke.
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I mean, they're, like No.
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Ninth on the list of money to spend.
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So I I wonder if there's not something in the works there that they are
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I would.
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Hey.
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Biggest fan tuning in.
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We made her jump in on YouTube today too.
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Sorry.
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We're trying to pump these numbers up.
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Make sure you Kyle
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Pistol's the other one.
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Kind in for the Atlanta.
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For
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the ball.
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Kyle Pitts was the fourth one.
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He got it.
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So
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Oh, he is.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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You know, Trey Henderson of the Bagels, they declined to give it to him, so he'll probably
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be afraid to Walker are are the two biggest ones that and actually Pierce from the Colts
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was another one that might be the top three biggest surprise that they didn't get tagged.
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Yeah.
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And it makes you wonder if there's not some, you know, already talks behind closed doors
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that are trying to maybe get something long term done, and that's the reason that they
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don't tag them, especially with Seattle.
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You gotta imagine that they're at least putting an offer onto the table.
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You wouldn't think that they would just let him walk.
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But, also, if you're in Kenneth Walker's position, the Super Bowl MVP, I'm going to get
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my bag.
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Right?
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And you're like, no, man.
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I'm good.
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I mean, you're like, so Well, this is tag at that, but what would the tag cost at the
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running back position right now?
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Because you got Saquon Barkley's contract out there really juicing up those numbers because
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it's an average of the top, like, 10 or whatever, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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$5.10.
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I know if Daniel Jones would've got the exclusive, his would've been, like, 40 some
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million dollars.
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That's crazy.
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That's crazy that they're gonna they're gonna guarantee because that's guaranteed money too,
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isn't it, with the franchise?
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Yep.
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Nope.
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One year on a guy coming back from an Achilles.
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That is wild.
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But
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Yeah.
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You obviously don't believe in Richardson who you've now given permission to go seek a trade.
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Like, you're the colts are kinda stuck, man.
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I mean, what what what what do they do?
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Are they going back to the ghost of Philip Rivers?
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No.
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No.
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No.
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No.
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They they like who's their rookie quarterback this year?
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I can't think right now.
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But, I mean, you know, if if Daniel Jones comes back, he could be healthy.
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I mean, he was early season.
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A lot of people were talking about how the probably lost an MVP candidate between the MSA
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and Arnold.
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So Oh, it was.
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The
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damn brakes, man.
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People throw that around.
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Oh, it's six weeks.
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He's potential MVP candidate.
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So I would I would guess go by the numbers for last year.
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The running back franchise tag was 13,600,000.0.
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So I would guess as a little north little you know, somewhere around 15 this year.
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So Man.
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I just it it seems wild that you don't throw it on him knowing that the number you would have
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to assume the number in free agency is gonna be higher than that.
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But, you know, it's it it you know, the different different, you know, organizations
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definitely run their businesses differently.
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So Pick
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me.
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How old is Walker?
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Walker's Walker the third.
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I know he's not you know, I want his I want his '25.
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'25?
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Yep.
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He's gonna for a walk in
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that.
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Career.
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And they're just gonna let him walk.
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They're they're well, he's he's he's walking.
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I mean, you know, like I said, this would be the time where I wish the Vikings had that
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money to be like, hey.
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Let's let's draw a good let's draw a good deal out there for him.
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They can
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I would jump on that a 100%?
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That's insane.
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Probably, like, they gotta know something.
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They gotta know something.
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Yeah.
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Well and it's it's crazy to me.
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But, I mean, honestly, his agent also probably wants to go sniff it.
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I mean, to me, it's no different than the Bflow deal, right, where you know you know your value
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internally.
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They didn't make an offer during the season.
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Right?
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They let it ride out, so you let it ride out.
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You're like, look.
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We ain't gotta sign nothing.
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Let's go sniff around, and it's not to say that he wants to leave even.
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But he's gonna go out
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and see
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what all the offers are, come back and go, okay.
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Well, this is, you know, Timmy, Tommy, and Jimmy all asked me.
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Those are all my uncles and my dad's names too.
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I don't know why those came out like that.
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So they're they're looking they're projecting that he's gonna seek at least a three year deal
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about 39,000,000.
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Right.
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At least.
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Alright.
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So you're gonna pay that, but were they going to offer him that when he was part of the two
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headed monster that was their running game this year?
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Right?
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And I don't know what the the Chardonnay contract and if he's on you know?
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Because, obviously, he getting he was the lead.
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Right?
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Until until he got hurt, you were kinda riding the other running back anyway.
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So, yeah, interesting.
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I mean, somebody's gonna pony up and pay that.
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Well, and that's the and that's the that's the style of game this in today's game.
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You had to have two good running backs, one counter the act the other.
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I think the safes are good at that, you know, early two thousands where they had two good
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running backs and everybody tried and transitioned to that.
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You know, you don't have that one running back that you're gonna rely on to get that thousand
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yards every year.
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20 carries, you know, you're gonna rely on two different running backs.
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Well, it's just the attrition that goes into the running back position.
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And, coach, you could probably speak to that a little bit.
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Even playing the lower leagues of football, very rarely does a running back make it all the
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way through the season because you're just taking punishment every single play whether you
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get the ball or not.
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Yeah.
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I mean, whether you're running between the tackles or pass block, you're always gonna be
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getting that contact.
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Know, it's beneficial to have two running backs.
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I roll with two running backs.
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You know, it brings me back to, like, the Giants, Maud Bradshaw, Brandon Jacobs.
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Like, they had just running backs flowing through there after the tee key.
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Yep.
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So
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Tee key had the.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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So I just to keep them fresh too.
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Yeah.
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Man, me and Ronda Barber this year and getting to be in that press conference with him and
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Chris Carter was, like, highlight of my year last year.
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100.
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Yeah.
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Just to be around impressive men like that, it it was really it was something, man, for sure.
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Just being around greatness and the way Ronde a few times, and you can see it during the during
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the presser that he stopped.
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He was very adamant about when he was answering my question, looking me right in the eye out
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there and answering my question directly and not kinda being esoteric.
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And not that Chris didn't, but just a different caliber of human being.
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Took time for me to, you know, pose with the cigar from our friends at Founder Cigar Company
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and was just very gracious with his time.
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Really look forward to hopefully meeting him again.
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I know he's a big golfer, as well.
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Got really into the game after he retired.
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So really hoping that we get more chances, to connect with Ronde.
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I mean, just a class act, man.
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Amazing individual.
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And, really, you you feel in the presence of greatness around him.
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Right?
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Just Well, and that and that's the attitude that the old school players have.
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You know?
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They knew what it was like.
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They you know you know, their contracts were a third of what these guys were for their whole
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career pretty much.
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So they they they understand what, you know, they they meant to the game and, you know, and
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stuff like that.
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So
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Coach, you a new game coming up next week, man.
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Yeah.
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Oh, we did at least.
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Oh.
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Uh-oh.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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But we'll save that for later on.
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We'll see.
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Everybody's already running scared.
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Everybody's already scared.
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They said 56 to zero.
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No.
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We ain't we ain't playing no preseason games against the Cowboys.
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Pretty much.
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Pretty much.
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But no.
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Our product before we even step on the field for the regular season.
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Can't have it.
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Hey.
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Hey.
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You know, it's it is what it is.
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You know, I got another league, the DFA, Eastside engine.
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I've got head of our second combine this past Sunday, and then we have our draft, this
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upcoming Sunday.
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So we're just trying to 50
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plus submissions in, like, three hours for the for players entering the draft?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's crazy, man.
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Congratulations Yeah.
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Everybody with the DFA.
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That's so cool.
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Yeah.
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I know.
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So, I mean, we're just getting ready for draft day.
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We just found, before this call at seven, we had a live call.
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It's posted or recorded on YouTube, but we found out the draft order.
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So there's four teams.
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It's gonna be a snake draft.
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I got the third pick.
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So I'm right where
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I was.
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Coach of the engine?
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Yes, sir.
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Awesome, man.
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Awesome.
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Head yeah.
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Another another team on the on the roster and and on the coverage of SPSS.
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Wow.
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You know, he posted his win percentage.
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I and I think that a lot of teams will be looking at that and be like, yeah.
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I I think we can run with this win percentage here.
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He must know what he's doing.
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So Yeah.
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No problem.
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Hey.
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It's our guy, Rap.
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What's going on, man?
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Bro, I'll send
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you a link if
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you wanna hop on tonight.
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We can talk some combine and catch up.
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All you're always welcome, my brother.
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Always welcome.
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But, yeah, how about them how
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about the Vikings that we had to send home instead of walking?
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How do you guys feel about that?
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I mean, not not surprising.
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Definitely sad to see, you know, the the Aaron Jones talk, but I don't think anyone's
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surprised by that.
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The one.
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Either one.
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When B texted the names to me, it was kinda like, yeah.
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The ones that took the biggest surprise to me and I kinda thought this after we saw the
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adjusted cap that Hawkinson wasn't on that list, but I think they're gonna try to get a
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restructure done.
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Hope he has one more good year left in him, a serviceable year, I would say, because you need
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better production at that at that position.
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That's not to say that they may not go out and get, you know, one of these tight ends.
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We talked about a couple last week that may fit into their plans.
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Vyke asked how we feel about Kyler.
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I don't want him.
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I don't want him.
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And I I shouldn't say it like that.
25:04
I think it would be, it would bring some excitement to this to the fans, and to the
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team.
25:12
But, I mean, he he's already came up come out and said, like, hey.
25:16
I'm not I don't watch films.
25:18
Like, they, like, they catch him.
25:20
We're not watching film.
25:21
He they had to put in that Madden clause or whatever, the live streaming clause.
25:25
So, I mean, you're just getting Addison at quarterback at that point, I feel.
25:31
Well and then also too, he's been stated that, you know, he wants to come to Minnesota.
25:38
If if he's gonna go somewhere, Minnesota's his top choice.
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So
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I'm sure it is, man.
25:43
But, like, if you don't need I I just for me, he doesn't he doesn't fit he doesn't fit the
25:51
play style.
25:52
Yeah.
25:53
He doesn't fit the attitude that you want out of a champion.
25:58
It just doesn't it doesn't rev.
26:01
Rap, I threw a link in your in your IG if you wanna jump on.
26:04
You're more than welcome, brother, and be able to get on here.
26:08
I I know you're a busy man, you're on East Coast time.
26:10
But, yeah, there's just too many too many flags for me.
26:17
Just but right now, the the front office worries me because they're a little desperate,
26:24
and they're acting a little bit desperately.
26:26
And that kind of that scares me a little bit.
26:29
Because KOC is so out on, McCarthy, it feels like, right, from everything that he says, next
26:38
week.
26:39
Yeah.
26:39
No.
26:39
You're all good, man.
26:41
You're all good.
26:41
Hey.
26:42
They're gonna need some help next week.
26:43
I'm gonna be out on the road, touring with my music podcast.
26:46
So if you wanna dip in next week, same link.
26:49
So save that link in your IG.
26:51
Jump in with the fellas next week, rap.
26:53
Appreciate you, man.
26:54
Appreciate you, man.
26:55
Well,
26:57
I don't I I don't I I think they're panicking or the panther they're panicking because they
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don't have a veteran quarterback.
27:06
We know McCarthy right now is slated to be the starter, but, you know, after him, who do we
27:12
have?
27:13
We're not gonna turn to Max, you know, Max again because he didn't do nothing.
27:18
Wentz, I don't think we'll resign if he even plays.
27:21
So, I mean, they gotta get a veteran guy in there.
27:25
I know they've been linked to Richardson.
27:30
Of course, Roger's name has come up again.
27:34
Kyle Murray, Gino Smith, giving a call to Carr from you know, to see if he's willing to come
27:41
out of retirement.
27:42
So, I mean, I think the names we throw around, things are were were panicking.
27:47
But
27:49
See, and I would be more interested in the Richardson than the Kyler because he's got the
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cannon of an arm.
27:58
He's he's an actor, though.
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Just a monster of a guy.
28:02
And I feel like McCarthy, yeah, I feel like KOC rather does really well with, like, that mold
28:09
of a quarterback.
28:10
And maybe Richardson doesn't have all the reps in there.
28:14
He he's more in that mold of what you kind of want in that guy where Kyler, I feel like, not
28:19
undersized, but what's Kyler?
28:20
Like, six two?
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You know what I mean?
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Six Oh, he's six foot.
28:24
So he is undersized.
28:26
Right?
28:26
A little bit undersized in that position.
28:28
You want somebody that's a little bit bigger, can kinda sling it out there.
28:32
I haven't watched enough Richardson film to really see if KOC would you know what I mean?
28:39
He's obviously he's had that success being the the quarterback whisperer and being able to do
28:44
that.
28:44
But does Richardson have the experience in the playbooks and and kind of playing that, you
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know, playing that kind of field general?
28:54
Right?
28:55
You know he's got the cannon of an arm, just a monster of a human being as well.
28:59
I would be more interested in that because at also at the price point.
29:03
Right?
29:03
Like, you're gonna get Richardson kind of at a at at, like, budget price, compared to what
29:11
Kyler would want.
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And I think you're getting a little bit more raw clay where Kyler is kinda who he's gonna
29:18
be.
29:19
He really doesn't seem to give a shit about
29:21
Well, Kyler is also gonna still get paid for the cardinals, though, too.
29:26
So the money is probably not gonna be that big of a factor.
29:30
He's probably gonna get a couple million while the cardinals are still paying them.
29:34
But Richie says $6.04 $2.40.
29:37
Look.
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Inaccurate on the deep ball, but definitely does have that cannon.
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He's 23, gonna be 24.
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So
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Well and KOC, he loves Richardson.
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I just saw it, like, two days ago.
29:55
There's a reel, But it was after the Vikings, played the Colts, and he pulled Richardson
30:01
inside.
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He must one of them must have been mic'd up, but he's like, you're a bad dude.
30:06
Like, you know, keep your head up.
30:08
Keep doing what you're doing.
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You're gonna be great.
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This organization loves you.
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The team loves you.
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I love you.
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Like so if anything, I hate to say it, but he's probably the front runner.
30:18
I'd rather be, like, Murray Rogers than Richardson.
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But
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Yeah.
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I'm probably
30:27
I would I would rather see them go to the rich honestly, I'm the reverse.
30:31
I would rather have them just go.
30:33
Let the two young guys battle it out.
30:36
You're getting someone that I feel like is a little bit more durable with that big body.
30:40
Now I know he's had his own injuries and had his own issues.
30:43
But, obviously, you like the measurables.
30:46
Right?
30:47
You you like the athlete that you're getting in that and that size.
30:53
You think and I'm just trying to, like, put myself in KOC's brain where he's supremely
30:59
confident in his ability to teach the quarterback position and to coach guys up.
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Right?
31:06
And he's kind of proven that he's capable of doing that.
31:09
And and you have to see him looking at Richardson and going, man, I can unlock I can
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unlock this.
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Right?
31:15
I can do this.
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I can take that arm and put my brain inside of his head and operate that way.
31:21
And the thing is is, yeah, you know, he's the quarterback whisper, but he hasn't done it with
31:28
I mean, the knock on him here locally with a lot of media, he's he hasn't done it with the
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young guys.
31:35
He's done it with Kurt.
31:36
He's done it with Sam.
31:39
You know, I would like to see Donald stay or not Donald.
31:42
Daniel Jones stay here and see what he could do as the backup.
31:46
So it'd be nice to see him do something with a young quarterback.
31:50
I mean, you know, last year not last year, but the year before we drafted Paul that was
31:55
supposed to be the next guy.
31:56
He goes into a packer game, plays a half, and, you know, we ship him off, you know.
32:01
So, you know, it's just, you know, McCarthy or not McCarthy, but KLC does have that yeah.
32:07
You know, he can develop quarterbacks, but, you know, it's been the young it's been the that
32:13
said they're rejuvenating their careers here.
32:15
So we gotta see what do with the young talent.
32:17
Cody, digging into that a little bit, what do you think are the reasons for that?
32:22
Is it a lack of patience on his end?
32:25
Does he just you know, like, what is it from a coach's perspective of you know, some guys are
32:32
really good at getting through to a young player.
32:34
I Nick Saban.
32:35
And probably why he's stuck in the college ranks is because he can communicate on that
32:40
level with them.
32:41
What do you feel like it is about a KOC that he's kinda hasn't proven that ability to
32:46
connect with these young guys yet?
32:48
I don't know.
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I feel it I feel it is impatience, like, impatience.
32:52
I mean, Josh Dobbs.
32:55
He going back to Josh Dobbs, he was kind of vet, you know, brought him along, had his shine
33:02
for a few weeks.
33:03
But even before that, going back to what you mentioned about Jaren Hall, I mean, the dude
33:07
plays against the packers, and then if I'm not mistaken, he starts against Atlanta, gets
33:12
knocked out, and that's where Pastornaud arrives.
33:15
Correct?
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Yeah.
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Yep.
33:16
Yep.
33:16
Yep.
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Yep.
33:17
The first drive going for a touchdown, I think.
33:19
And after that, he just just wiped his hands clean of him and was like, I'm done
33:25
with him.
33:25
Never saw him after that.
33:27
You know what I mean?
33:28
Like, I just it comes with the territory.
33:33
It's, it should be common sense.
33:35
You've got a younger guy.
33:36
You're gonna have to give him more time.
33:38
Yep.
33:39
And and the thing with Dobbs is, you know, we heard that while he only knew a few plays, you
33:45
know, we just ran skeleton group.
33:47
And then once they started giving him more plays, he started making mistakes.
33:51
It's just like, why break?
33:53
Why fix something that's not broken?
33:55
He's doing good with the playbook you gave him.
33:58
So why would that?
33:59
Might have just
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Man, that's my biggest knock on KOC period, man.
34:03
He's gotta be the smartest guy in the room.
34:05
He's gotta be outsmarting everyone even if it's himself.
34:10
Yep.
34:10
And and he's also working for himself.
34:13
Not everything has to be the most sophisticated, the most complex.
34:18
Like, sometimes
34:20
simple is better.
34:21
You know?
34:22
So
34:23
Keep it simple.
34:25
He just has to find the heavy medium.
34:28
Well and it's you know, he see, like I said, he wants to play he wants to be the quarterback so
34:36
bad, but on top of that, he lets his ego, I think, get in the way a little bit on the, but
34:40
look at the play that I drew up.
34:41
And if it would've just happened this way or that way, that better, this would have been
34:46
that, and I feel like he can't get out of that.
34:49
You know?
34:50
And I think that's why he gets so frustrated with McCarthy the last year because McCarthy
34:55
would maybe make what would be, like, the second or third read in that and be a little
34:59
impatient on the field when KOC sees it from a different level to say, you wait this little
35:06
bit more and this guy's gonna come open.
35:08
But without seeing it happen before, how can you ever expect someone to do it?
35:15
Like, if they haven't lived that experience, how can you expect them to see that when
35:21
they've never seen it before happen?
35:23
Right?
35:23
And and, like, I'll I'll equate it to my personal experience.
35:27
Last year, I had kinda gone out on a tour, you know, and hit a lot of the same areas and
35:33
different things that I'm doing now I did last year, but I'd never done it before that.
35:39
And I have so much more confidence going out this trip, you know, a 5,000 mile journey to go
35:45
out here because I've now been there before.
35:48
And I feel like if they were spending more time, you know, building up confidence in the
35:53
young player that they have and spending that time with him.
35:57
And I know JJ's got a new you know, still not a newborn necessarily now, but he's got a, you
36:01
know, a a baby at home and probably spending a lot of time when, you know, not necessarily in
36:06
the Building 247 and eating and sleeping there.
36:10
And maybe that's something that KOC kinda dogs on the kid about too because he is that guy.
36:18
Right?
36:18
And O'Connell is that maniacal kind of, you know, maybe as a player he was as well, but
36:25
he's definitely that coach who's got, you know, the mattress, in the closet that folds down.
36:33
I'm one step away.
36:34
Well, and even the stuff that came out about Quasi and and, like, the work life balance that
36:39
Quasi was about and it being a little bit of a rub with the rest of the with the coaching
36:45
staff and some of these guys because they do just, like, eat, sleep, breathe football.
36:51
And and maybe McCarthy, because of his personal life, wasn't necessarily that guy.
36:57
And and and maybe he I don't know.
36:59
I I don't know.
37:00
And there's a lot of this stuff that we'll never know because it's all inside of the
37:03
locker room or until the player's gone and moved on that some of this stuff starts to come
37:08
out.
37:08
But it it makes you wonder why they're so adamant that JJ's not the guy.
37:15
What I felt like he showed you, he was pretty capable of stepping into that role towards the
37:20
end of the season.
37:21
The biggest knock being he couldn't stay healthy in those moments.
37:26
Right?
37:26
Which yeah.
37:29
I I don't and I don't know.
37:30
I I Well, that that's the whole thing is, I mean, you know and and we could keep repeating
37:36
ourselves over and over again.
37:37
You gotta protect the quarterback.
37:39
You gotta have a good offensive line.
37:40
You gotta let the quarterback develop.
37:42
To me, and I'll and I'll keep saying it, the packers over the last three quarterback regimes
37:48
have done it the right way.
37:50
They brought Farben.
37:51
They hit gold on there.
37:53
Well, they've always had a good offensive line.
37:55
Like, they have always had a top five, I feel like, offensive line.
38:00
And even if it wasn't five and it was down a little bit.
38:03
And and then, you know, and then they draft Rogers, which Farr wasn't happy with, but he
38:08
sat behind him for three years.
38:10
Rogers gets the start.
38:12
Now he moves to, you know, love after how many years.
38:17
You know, sooner or later, they're gonna have to find that backup, and I guarantee they're
38:21
gonna have that guy sit behind love for two, three years until they're ready to let love go.
38:26
So, I mean, that's something that a lot of teams have to look at is, you know, it's
38:31
copycat leagues.
38:32
Why are we not copy what the Packers are doing with their quarterback situation?
38:36
You know?
38:37
Alright.
38:38
You sold me.
38:38
Let's get Rogers.
38:40
I don't want Rogers.
38:43
I would take Rogers if I knew our offense, and I could protect him.
38:47
You know?
38:49
You know?
38:49
But And that's gonna
38:50
be a big question a big question mark.
38:53
And to
38:53
me Now you're you're in the ballpark, Tori.
38:57
Are you gonna find a veteran for three years and develop a young quarterback, or are you
39:01
just trying to find that guy that can come in?
39:04
Calling coach?
39:05
Yeah.
39:05
Was There was that the Vikings calling?
39:08
They they need you?
39:09
No.
39:10
It's hopefully an offensive lineman that's gonna sign for me.
39:13
Nice.
39:14
Good.
39:14
Wanted to touch on Vikings need
39:16
them too.
39:17
Right.
39:19
One thing I wanted to touch on, real quick is, you know, we, last year, basically went into
39:25
the season, saying, like, JJ was our guy, gave him all that hype, you know, got him excited.
39:33
Maybe KOC is like, let's try let's try a different approach.
39:36
Let's see how he handles, you know, not being named the starter.
39:41
Always wondering, you know, actually fighting for his job, seeing if that sparks something.
39:47
Yeah.
39:48
And I think I think JJ is a competitive guy.
39:50
So maybe there is some juice to that and a a little bit on the, you know, on the side of
39:57
competitive they just the room needs to get better, period.
39:59
I don't think anybody's arguing that, like, they're good with JJ McCarthy and Max Brosper.
40:04
We saw that.
40:05
They need to get better in the room.
40:07
I guess where I'm differing is, like and Bea was just meant, like, I don't I don't really
40:12
want an Aaron Rodgers, but Rodgers on a one year deal.
40:15
Like, Rodgers isn't coming here to be a backup.
40:17
Yeah.
40:17
If he's signed, he is the starter heir apparent.
40:21
I don't know that that gives you that competition.
40:24
Like, I don't know if that's the right not the right move, but I don't know that that's the
40:30
right message.
40:31
I I I think the right move would be bring Richardson in, the guy that's only been around
40:36
for a couple years.
40:37
And let him battle it out.
40:39
Yeah.
40:39
Exactly.
40:40
The two players are not, you know, not similar in style or build or whatever, but they're at
40:47
similar points in their careers.
40:49
Right?
40:50
Al albeit, JJ, you know, a few years younger that they both need to prove themselves.
40:56
And I think that you get the best out of that.
40:59
Right?
40:59
You got, like, two sophomores essentially battling it out for the starting position on
41:04
the varsity team.
41:05
I think you get really good play out of that.
41:07
I do like that.
41:08
And and, I mean, you gotta pay attention to the contract too and what kind of contract this
41:14
backup quarterback gets because you're not gonna pay
41:17
projection on that?
41:20
What what Nelson
41:20
might get open market now?
41:23
Let's see.
41:24
Go ahead, Luke.
41:25
I didn't mean to cut you off.
41:26
I was just
41:26
Well, actually, we would have to trade for him if he doesn't get cut.
41:29
So he's on his final year of a four year $33,000,000 deal, fully guaranteed rookie
41:35
contract.
41:36
So
41:37
Fully guaranteed.
41:39
Yeah.
41:40
So let's see.
41:41
2026, the contract includes a $1,100,000 base salary and 4.2 roster bonus totaling
41:48
$10,000,000 cap hit for his current team.
41:52
So
41:54
So what would that I mean, yeah, if they traded for him.
41:58
And to me, what does that even look like?
41:59
Right?
42:00
To me, McCarthy is not part of that deal.
42:04
No.
42:04
Right?
42:04
No.
42:05
So
42:05
who are who are you giving the Colts for a maybe at the quarterback position?
42:11
Like, I don't know that we have a player.
42:14
I don't know that I'm comfortable trading a draft pick for that.
42:18
You know, you almost are in a wait and see because I don't I what's the word on anybody
42:24
sniffing around on that potential trade?
42:27
They're they have a list of teams that are kind of at the top of that list.
42:32
Let's see here.
42:34
What about
42:35
Anderson for Richardson?
42:38
Down.
42:39
Down with that.
42:40
You feel me?
42:41
That that's the one person Straight up?
42:43
Down.
42:43
I would ask for a pick.
42:46
Right.
42:46
Yeah.
42:47
Addison and a pick for Richardson.
42:49
Addison production's way, way
42:53
or you say from what angle?
42:54
As the colts, you're asking for a pick with Addison.
42:57
No.
42:57
No.
42:58
If I'm the Vikings, I'm like, I'm giving you Addison.
43:01
I'll take Richardson and a pick.
43:03
Yeah.
43:04
Even if it's a sixth rounder, you're you're taking something.
43:08
Yeah.
43:08
But, yeah, I I definitely think, yeah, my my toss would be let's throw Anderson out there
43:14
trying to get what we can, get Richardson here.
43:18
Fresh start for both.
43:21
I'd even trade off.
43:22
Right?
43:22
For him.
43:24
Yeah.
43:24
I don't know who's taking Hawk, but I
43:27
That think that contract would be too much.
43:29
We'd have to eat a lot of that contract.
43:31
Yeah.
43:32
Which at
43:32
that point, you might as well keep him.
43:34
Yeah.
43:34
Right.
43:34
Right.
43:34
So right now, nfl.com's reporting Packers, Rams are the ideal fit for Richardson.
43:45
Let's see if they throw any other teams out there.
43:48
The Jets, Rams, Niners, which I don't know why the Niners would be there, but
43:58
Are they a sir?
43:58
I they came out and said they're not trading Mac Jones.
44:01
Right?
44:02
Yeah.
44:03
I'm pretty sure.
44:04
Not not that that means anything right now.
44:06
We're in we are in a lot
44:09
And, obviously, that would probably be the other guy I would go with is Mac Jones who's
44:13
another young quarterback that's, you know, trying to find his identity.
44:17
Okay.
44:18
Light tag on Mac, especially with them coming out and saying that they're not going to trade
44:22
him.
44:23
That's to drive the value up.
44:25
Right?
44:25
Like, that is just that to me, that's business.
44:27
That's not them saying we're not trading him.
44:31
That's like, you better be bringing a high second round and maybe two picks.
44:36
Right?
44:37
I don't know if he's smarter of first rounder, but you better be
44:41
So his cap hit would be three three million, just a little bit north of 3,000,000 with an
44:49
extra 400000¢ of durian, you know.
44:51
So, yeah, it would be a little bit bigger price tag than just Addison and some picks to get
44:58
them.
45:00
So
45:03
Yeah.
45:04
Maybe you are able to swing something with the niners with Addison in there.
45:10
I hate to see him have to I hate to see him get fleeced for a couple of draft picks.
45:14
Yeah.
45:14
But Because you have lot of $3,000,000 sitting on the bench or 1,400,000.0 sitting on the
45:21
bench.
45:22
You know?
45:24
Yeah.
45:24
Also, I mean, that's the whole thing is, you know, where do you want the cap where do you
45:28
want the money?
45:29
On the field or on the bench?
45:30
Yeah.
45:30
You know?
45:30
So You know, I I it's not like they're
45:34
out of thing and that's the same thing I said a few years ago when we had Case Keenum.
45:39
This is like, let's draft the quarterback.
45:41
Let's, you know, let Case, Teddy, you know, let's just say Lamar Jackson because he was
45:46
picked two picks behind him.
45:48
Let them battle it out.
45:50
You know, we say it's Case's job to lose.
45:53
Yeah.
45:53
Let them battle it out to the training camp and see who who's ready for week one.
45:57
I mean, I think that's the same approach we have to go into this year is let's bring in
46:02
another young quarterback with some veteran experience and just let the two just hash it
46:09
out.
46:11
Perfect world.
46:12
Question for both of you.
46:14
Perfect world.
46:15
Who's the Vikings starting QB next year?
46:20
Joe Burrow.
46:23
Honestly, yeah.
46:24
If if you say I could trade anybody, I think it would be Burrow.
46:29
But, again, you know, what's my line looking like is what I wanna say.
46:34
But out of the guys that we are talking about, I think JJ is still gonna be the starter.
46:42
Woah.
46:43
You
46:43
You think if it comes down to Richardson and McCarthy that JJ can beat him out?
46:49
I think it would drive him.
46:51
I think I think, you know, the the the the moments I saw, you know, in the bears game and
46:58
that one I forgot what game it was towards the end of the year where he got up and just bull
47:04
rush the guy, and we're talking about it that he got up and kinda pointed at him.
47:10
I think that drives him, and I think that would beat him out.
47:12
I think that would be Richardson out.
47:14
I think it'd be a close battle.
47:16
But, yeah, I I think that's what McCarthy needs is just be tested, you know.
47:24
For sure.
47:24
I couldn't I couldn't agree with that more.
47:28
Anything else on, the quarterback position before we move on, fellas?
47:34
Not that I could see.
47:35
I'd say good.
47:38
Alright.
47:39
Moving on.
47:40
I think the next topic, definitely just kinda recapping, the combine.
47:47
Be top notes, I guess, from your end, on the combine Vikings related or otherwise.
47:57
Nothing out of the ordinary.
47:58
I'll I'll let you guys know right now.
48:00
I'm not a big fan of the combine because all of this is a practice.
48:04
You're timing people without the pads and stuff like that, so I'm not a big fan of it.
48:08
The OneNote I brought up in our chat, and I gotta find the kid's name, from Minnesota.
48:15
Let's get into the best available because he's up there.
48:24
Running back out of Nebraska, Emmett Johnson said that he had a very good workout, very good
48:33
talks with KLC and all the interview process, and he would be very honored.
48:39
Of course, everybody's gonna say that to come home and play in the purple and gold.
48:44
So he's fourth overall.
48:46
Put in the group chat.
48:47
Right?
48:48
Yeah.
48:48
Yeah.
48:49
Five eleven, 200 out of Nebraska, fourth ranked running back, ninety fifth overall.
48:55
He had 1,451 yards, fourth in the nation, 12 touchdowns.
49:02
You know?
49:02
So what what makes, you know, a bad pick for risk
49:06
to that the fourth ranked running back is the ninety fifth overall player.
49:13
Yeah.
49:13
Well because that seems wild.
49:15
I mean, running backs usually don't go first round.
49:19
Yep.
49:20
So then, you know but, yeah, that that's crazy.
49:24
You said he was overall ninety seven?
49:27
Ninety fifth.
49:28
Ninety fifth.
49:28
Yeah.
49:30
And to compare to what Love who was at Notre Dame, Love had thirteen thirteen seventy two
49:37
yards and an 18 touchdown.
49:39
So 100 yard difference, about six touchdowns difference, and they're that far apart.
49:47
That's crazy.
49:49
So Yeah.
49:49
I mean, a steal, a guy like that in the fourth round.
49:53
Fourth round.
49:55
In Honestly, I think I think I would I think I would probably
49:59
try to, you know, third,
50:01
you know, because I think I think if you wait till the fourth round, he's gonna be gone way
50:05
early.
50:06
So I would probably reach out in the third round if I'm you know, if he's still sitting
50:11
there and I'm gonna leave
50:12
have a late rounder.
50:13
I think our second, third rounder is pretty pretty late in there.
50:16
So, yeah, there it's definitely someone if he's still on the board when you're coming in there
50:23
that you're definitely shattered up.
50:26
What's happening?
50:29
What's up?
50:29
What's up, man?
50:30
Appreciate you, Barbara.
50:31
Thanks for tuning in.
50:32
I
50:32
like that logo there, Barbara.
50:34
Don't know
50:35
if he's still hanging with us, but I think he's gonna be a guest appearing on the show next
50:40
week.
50:40
So make sure you're tuning back in with our guys and rap the vocal bike.
50:46
We'll be back here.
50:48
Appreciate it.
50:49
And who knows?
50:50
Next week, we might have a whole seller cap to talk about.
50:54
You know?
50:54
I mean, yeah.
50:56
Monday Monday is the ninth, so that would be the start of the financial year.
51:06
So come Tuesday, we might have a whole list of free agents to talk about where they might go.
51:13
I got a couple players from from the cavalry that'll hop on as well.
51:16
Yeah.
51:18
Nice.
51:18
Bring them all in.
51:19
Steve, what's happening?
51:21
Steve does a What's
51:22
going on, Steve?
51:25
You know you know, I I've tried to think I've tried to think Steve's a a classic Viking fan
51:29
because he keeps talking about who the Vikings should draft and all this, but he never talked
51:34
about what the pack you know, never talked about who the packers should be.
51:37
Try and steal coach Cody.
51:39
He's
51:39
I well, that the the,
51:41
like, the picks that he's throwing out, that's sabotage.
51:45
Yeah.
51:46
All of
51:47
those teams.
51:48
Honestly, yeah.
51:49
The I'm worried that the Vikings are gonna sabotage themselves by whoever they pick.
51:56
Well, that's the point we talked about the last two weeks is they gotta hit this this draft,
52:02
they gotta hit home runs, you know, or deep triples, I guess.
52:06
You know?
52:06
So but
52:07
they they It's gotta hit the wall.
52:09
It's gotta hit the wall, man.
52:11
What big b, what draft was it when we got Kevin Williams and we forfeited, like, two picks
52:17
because we couldn't get
52:18
it picked.
52:18
If we do that, I'm done.
52:22
I'm done.
52:25
Oh, that's gonna be that's gonna be 2008.
52:27
10/12, 2008, maybe?
52:30
Well, rue the day you said this, Steve.
52:33
Mark it down.
52:34
It would be alright.
52:35
March 3.
52:38
At at 08:55.
52:40
Yeah.
52:40
That's March 3.
52:41
Fifty two minute fifty two minutes into our podcast.
52:45
So I could do that while coding.
52:46
That during the show, the AI will pick that up, and will automatically make that one of the
52:53
clips after the show.
52:54
It'll automatically do it.
52:55
So just so you know
52:56
moving forward.
52:58
Steve, thanks for tuning in, man.
52:59
Good to see you, brother.
53:01
Talking a
53:02
little bit more time.
53:03
Tony, did the Vikings do that twice in recent years where they went to they they They did
53:09
it twice in the same draft.
53:12
Okay.
53:12
Maybe that's what I'm thinking of.
53:13
Yeah.
53:13
They didn't get the pick same pick.
53:15
And forfeited the pick
53:17
Yeah.
53:17
Twice.
53:18
Yeah.
53:18
That's crazy.
53:20
Like, might have been might have even been three times, but I'm pretty sure we went from
53:24
like the seventh
53:25
to Let's the see.
53:27
Last yeah.
53:29
Last team well, we'll find out because they talk about it every year.
53:34
Even the movie Draft Day talked about how the Vikings, you know you know, missed their pick
53:40
and then had a pick, you know.
53:42
So they're they're those cards have to be ready.
53:44
So let's see.
53:45
I mean, you
53:46
you better have it narrowed down.
53:49
And that's why when we went through our, you know, just kinda profiling the top positions
53:54
that we we identify as needs and going through those top three, four players because you need
54:00
to be prepared.
54:01
You need to have position a, position b, players one through three on both of those so
54:07
that you're you know walking up.
54:10
You've already kinda played through the scenarios.
54:12
And if you don't have a front office that is running those kind of, I I essentially, war
54:17
games.
54:18
Right?
54:19
You know, not to, you know, lighten the mood anywhere around the world with what's going on,
54:25
but they you're playing through every single scenario as it goes and going if they do this,
54:31
we do this.
54:32
And the same reason why we're, you know what what does it take to get up into the top 10 to
54:38
possibly draft a tight end or a safety?
54:41
Oh.
54:41
Right?
54:41
That you're eyeballing up there.
54:43
What what would it take?
54:44
Because you have to play through the scenarios.
54:47
You can't assume anything in that moment, especially when it can be, you know, the
54:53
difference between, you know honestly, a winner too in this league is the difference between
54:59
making the playoffs and missing it.
55:01
No different than last year.
55:02
You know?
55:02
We kinda beat a dead horse at the end of the season going what ifs.
55:06
We win that one extra game, but what if and you're in the playoffs, and now, you know, you
55:11
never know what's going to happen.
55:12
You never know who's going to get injured on the other teams and and to give you an open
55:17
door to walk into a Super Bowl.
55:20
And it's it's football, man.
55:21
Anything can happen.
55:23
So here here's the scenario that Cody saw.
55:25
2003, the Vikings had the seventh overall pick.
55:29
They were trying to trade with the Ravens that never confirmed what the league before the
55:33
fifteen minute time time clock expired.
55:37
The Jacksonville Jaguars that took Brian Lefwitz, and the Panthers took Jordan Gross,
55:45
then the Vikings took Kevin Williams.
55:49
Yeah.
55:50
So they are not only once, but twice couldn't get the fit straight.
55:54
Like That's
55:56
But that's a good too.
55:57
I think I think the regime was that triangle, you know, authority where it was Dennis Green,
56:04
the owner, and the GM were all trying to get in.
56:08
But yeah.
56:10
Well and that's why I have a little bit more confidence in what we have going on this year.
56:16
I feel like you're getting that triangle of of, you know, that trifecta going on this year, but
56:23
it is, you know, KOC, Brian Flores, and Brzezinski.
56:28
And I think these guys are a little bit more in lockstep, and and we'll see, you know, what
56:34
what it plays out as.
56:35
You know?
56:35
None of them have ever been in this position as being the general manager.
56:40
Although, I think any misstep in the draft this year doesn't fall on any one of their head.
56:45
Everything's kinda being done by committee.
56:49
Yeah.
56:50
I mean, you're right there, and it doesn't help again that you're 40 plus million over the cap.
56:57
So JJ getting traded to the Jays on draft day watch.
57:01
Okay.
57:01
Let's mark that.
57:02
Which first, what Jay which JJ is he talking about?
57:06
And, yeah, let's clip that.
57:08
Yeah, Dre.
57:09
What which JJ?
57:10
McCarthy or Jefferson?
57:12
I mean, what what makes sense?
57:14
Well, no.
57:16
Harbaugh is not that, though.
57:20
He must be talking about McCarthy, but, well, I would say you probably you could be on to
57:27
something because Harbaugh was a coach of Michigan who's was over in the charges, but oh,
57:32
no.
57:32
He's still sitting there.
57:33
He's still sitting.
57:34
Alright.
57:35
So we'll we'll watch that and Yeah.
57:38
McCarthy for Herbert?
57:41
That I was attacked the the night that the Vikings weren't gonna draft, and they're saying
57:46
that if McCarthy's there, watch the Vikings move on on Herbert, which, you know, wouldn't
57:53
have been a bad move.
57:54
I mean, you know and a lot of people are saying a lot of things to, you know, hardball for
58:00
throwing the smoke signals out there.
58:02
So, I mean, you know, draft night is probably one night you don't wanna trust too many people
58:07
because you're gonna get burned on what they're thinking.
58:09
So who'd you hear who'd you hear that from?
58:18
No.
58:19
You know Dre ain't got sources, man.
58:21
He just throwing it out there.
58:23
McCarthy for Trey Lance.
58:24
His sources are worse than Steve's.
58:26
No.
58:26
Steve's got the worst sources.
58:27
I I would say, I wouldn't I wouldn't mind Trey Lance.
58:30
I mean, he's hasn't got his know, and maybe he maybe I'm just
58:34
Where is he now?
58:36
He was in Dallas, but I think I think wanna say he's with the chargers.
58:47
Yeah.
58:48
His brother's in the draft this year, isn't he?
58:50
I believe so.
58:51
Yeah.
58:52
So Trey Lance, quarterback for the chargers.
58:56
You know?
58:56
So North Dakota state kid.
58:59
Yeah.
59:00
Trey, so are you saying they're oh, he's saying okay.
59:04
He's saying trade JJ McCarthy for for Trey Lance is what Steve was trying
59:09
to say.
59:09
That's funny.
59:11
That's funny.
59:12
Get out of here.
59:13
Get out of here.
59:16
What did Trey Lyce's brother
59:17
I love this time of year, man.
59:19
Everybody's out of their out of their minds.
59:21
Yeah.
59:23
Let's see here.
59:24
Let's see if I can find Yeah.
59:27
No doubt.
59:27
They're they're exercising all options, Dre.
59:31
I I don't know that they're actively like JJ McCarthy is for sale, like a used car.
59:37
But
59:37
No.
59:37
But again, I mean
59:38
sure, man.
59:39
You you gotta know.
59:40
And, honestly, with the play they got out of that room as a a total as a whole, it it's due
59:49
diligence.
59:50
Right?
59:52
No.
59:53
You you you're out there, man.
59:55
You're out there every day.
59:56
I I have a life besides this show.
59:59
This is a very small part of my
1:00:00
I'm my social media pages too quite a bit, you know, and you know, and and the thing I mean,
1:00:08
right now, as us three Viking fans sit here in the Viking world, there's only one person
1:00:14
you're not trading for.
1:00:16
Alright.
1:00:16
You're not gonna let go on a trade, and that's Jefferson.
1:00:20
Everybody else, they're going to listen to offers.
1:00:23
And if that means McCarthy, you know, you'll be a full not to list to offers, you know.
1:00:28
So, I mean, you know, unless you get a Herschel Walker type deal for Jefferson, he's not going
1:00:34
anywhere.
1:00:35
So
1:00:36
Well, how
1:00:37
would I don't know.
1:00:38
I don't know.
1:00:39
We don't claim that Steve is sane or Isa.
1:00:45
So there's that.
1:00:48
But
1:00:49
But this time of year, everybody talks.
1:00:51
Everybody's got people that know people that are in every organization.
1:00:56
We all watch our media pages, social media pages, Yep.
1:01:00
You know, so it's one of those things where
1:01:02
It wouldn't surprise me.
1:01:05
I I just think that there's value to JJ McCarthy than just kinda throwing him away.
1:01:13
Yep.
1:01:15
100%.
1:01:17
Dre, I hope your boss ain't watching.
1:01:20
Still, you're on the the complete failure with KOC.
1:01:27
I don't think he's a complete failure by any means.
1:01:32
You know?
1:01:32
Has he won a playoff game?
1:01:33
No.
1:01:34
Has he proven it?
1:01:34
Is he the best coach in the world?
1:01:37
No.
1:01:37
I I don't believe so.
1:01:38
I think the coach of the year tag last year hurt him because of his ego that he already
1:01:45
had.
1:01:45
I I think he was I think he was feeling himself a little bit too much coming into the season.
1:01:51
I think he had it in his head that
1:01:53
Probably one time I wish he would not have won the coach of the year.
1:01:57
I just wonder if it would have been a a a a different if he would have had a different
1:02:02
approach to last season had he not won that.
1:02:06
Right?
1:02:06
If he hadn't come in with the inflated ego of having the, you know, postseason, you know, the
1:02:13
the the, you know, acknowledgment recognition as the coach of the year, if it would have
1:02:19
changed who he was coming in, it felt like he had a little bit more to prove, which Oh.
1:02:25
When things were falling apart and they did fall apart, he changed.
1:02:29
Right?
1:02:29
But how much is that, like, that ego part of it because you got that thing on your mantle that
1:02:36
says you're the coach of the year that I just need to stick to what I'm doing, how much that
1:02:41
affected him?
1:02:43
Well, but but again too, you know, you you went two two weeks, three weeks you went two weeks
1:02:52
to three weeks in the preseason before you even had a backup quarterback in mind.
1:02:58
And then we went outside and went and gave him, what, six days to learn the playbook before
1:03:03
week one?
1:03:04
I mean Right.
1:03:05
You know, so it's one of those things Organizational where light bulb went on too
1:03:09
late.
1:03:09
They're like, oh my god.
1:03:10
We don't have a backup quarterback.
1:03:13
You know, everybody's gone.
1:03:14
Whatever you wanna do.
1:03:15
I mean, you know, call Cody.
1:03:17
He's got 15 quarterbacks in his back pocket.
1:03:20
Let's see if we get one of them.
1:03:21
You know?
1:03:21
I mean
1:03:22
And, Dre, to this point, I don't have to prove anything to you about KOC.
1:03:27
And I don't know that even if he wins a playoff game, if it proves anything to you because of
1:03:32
the attitude you have told him.
1:03:34
Every coach you had has won a playoff game.
1:03:38
Okay.
1:03:39
Yeah.
1:03:39
But no Super Bowl.
1:03:41
So they were all successful as well and should still Denny Green should still be here coaching
1:03:46
football because he won a playoff game.
1:03:49
Come on.
1:03:50
There there there's more to it than that.
1:03:52
Does KOC have to get over a hump?
1:03:55
Does he have to prove himself?
1:03:57
Yeah.
1:03:57
And that's, I think, why we're having the conversation about the the trophy that he won.
1:04:01
That doesn't mean anything being named coach of the year.
1:04:04
I think it was a detriment to him.
1:04:07
I think if he doesn't win it, maybe he goes out and feels like he has a little bit more to
1:04:12
prove and and treats the entire season and especially the beginning of the season
1:04:18
differently than he did last year.
1:04:22
And if they win one more game, they're in the playoffs.
1:04:25
Right?
1:04:25
So it it just changes.
1:04:27
And then maybe they win a game.
1:04:28
And then maybe Dre's not on his ass.
1:04:31
Yeah.
1:04:32
You're right.
1:04:33
You're right.
1:04:33
Bring Denny back.
1:04:35
That's we're gonna start a petition today.
1:04:37
Denny Green's probably gonna be on a beach somewhere, hopefully.
1:04:41
You wanna tell him?
1:04:42
What's that?
1:04:45
Denny Green?
1:04:47
Oh, yeah.
1:04:48
Yeah.
1:04:49
It'd be hard to bring him back.
1:04:50
He is he passed away a few years ago.
1:04:52
So
1:04:56
Oh, well, there's that.
1:04:58
Yep.
1:04:58
There's that.
1:04:59
So but but the thing is is, you know, okay.
1:05:03
Zimmerman or Zimmer, two and three in the playoffs.
1:05:08
Brad Childers, one and two.
1:05:09
Mike Tyson, one and one.
1:05:11
Dennis Green was four and eight.
1:05:13
Jerry Burns, three and three.
1:05:14
Bud Grant, of course, along his tenure at ten and twelve.
1:05:18
You know, Leslie Frazier was o and one.
1:05:20
So I mean
1:05:21
Bill Belichick, five Super Bowls, can't get in the hall of fame.
1:05:25
Yeah.
1:05:26
Bad.
1:05:27
So
1:05:28
That was the wildest thing to me about Super Bowl week was, like, how does that even happen?
1:05:35
That's crazy.
1:05:36
Right.
1:05:37
But they'll put in Tom Peyton.
1:05:40
Like, they're gonna put him in.
1:05:42
Oh, you know what?
1:05:45
Yeah.
1:05:45
Well, I don't know.
1:05:46
I mean, it's I mean man.
1:05:48
You got some Like, Tice was not better than KLC.
1:05:52
God's gonna take.
1:05:55
But he won a playoff game, b.
1:05:56
He won a playoff game.
1:05:58
Yeah.
1:05:59
Yo, Tyson's biggest thing, and I think this really hurt his coaching career, is when he
1:06:04
came off and said, we got the Randy Rachel, and he said, many times they're gonna throw the
1:06:07
Randy boss every game?
1:06:09
So that so talk about a guy with an eagle.
1:06:11
There's your eagle right there.
1:06:13
That's what killed him.
1:06:14
It wasn't the boat scandal.
1:06:15
That's what killed him.
1:06:16
Well, it it could have been the boat scandal too, but I'm just saying, if if I know that
1:06:21
they're gonna pass to Randy Moss x amount of times a game, I know how many times I have to
1:06:25
really cover him and watch him, you know, also.
1:06:27
Yeah.
1:06:27
But you don't know which time it's gonna be.
1:06:29
Oh, yeah.
1:06:31
Because every time
1:06:32
every player, Randy, is taking five steps and throwing that hand up.
1:06:36
You know?
1:06:37
Hey.
1:06:37
If there was ever a man that that deserved to do it.
1:06:40
Yeah.
1:06:43
So Mike Tyson's coaching career, I hope he's listening.
1:06:47
Yep.
1:06:47
It's
1:06:48
With 32 at 33.
1:06:51
KLC, four 4325.
1:06:54
So who has a better record?
1:06:56
Buddy won a playoff game, b.
1:06:58
That's Hey.
1:06:58
That win percentage speak to you.
1:07:00
You gotta get to the playoffs to win a game.
1:07:02
Yep.
1:07:04
Yeah.
1:07:05
No.
1:07:05
I Dre and I I'm not fighting you on the KFC.
1:07:08
I think
1:07:08
Oh, yeah.
1:07:09
No.
1:07:09
You talked about that.
1:07:11
I don't think he's a terrible coach as you do and that he's the worst ever, and I just don't
1:07:16
play this kind of superlatives game.
1:07:19
But I I think that he's got more approved than anyone in this organization this year,
1:07:25
especially with Kwazi getting fired and him pretty much getting the reins handed to him
1:07:28
this year.
1:07:29
We all know Brzezinski isn't really the one that's getting into the football side.
1:07:33
He is a career cap guy.
1:07:36
Right?
1:07:36
He is a numbers contracts, you know, aficionado.
1:07:40
So it is not on him to draft these players this year, and I don't know how much of it is
1:07:46
between AOC and Bflow.
1:07:48
I hope Bflow is in that conversation.
1:07:50
I feel like he's earned that respect.
1:07:52
He definitely earned that contract.
1:07:54
What up, Dark Nordsvius?
1:07:55
Good to see you, brother.
1:07:56
Let's go.
1:07:57
Thanks for stopping by.
1:08:00
Yeah.
1:08:05
And I just I okay.
1:08:08
I mean, he had Randy Moss.
1:08:10
I think that's pretty big talent.
1:08:12
I mean, Moss, JJ, I was or I mean, Jay Jefferson's probably better.
1:08:19
I think, that seems kind of tough to say, maybe.
1:08:23
I guess Randy left, so we can we can put a little bit of shade on his name.
1:08:28
But, I mean, in the worst season of his career, Justin Jefferson still had a thousand plus
1:08:38
yards.
1:08:38
Right?
1:08:39
Still got over a thousand yards with no one at quarterback.
1:08:43
Sweating about a thousand yards, though.
1:08:45
Yep.
1:08:46
With an extra game.
1:08:47
Right?
1:08:47
With with an extra game on the schedule too.
1:08:50
So thank goodness we had it.
1:08:53
You know, I'm not going back and looking at all the rosters that Tyson coached.
1:08:56
I just don't care enough to be
1:09:00
And and the thing is, the time Tyson coached to now, the game has changed.
1:09:05
I mean, you know He
1:09:07
had a co MVP quarterback in Culpepper, so you can get out of here with that.
1:09:12
Mhmm.
1:09:12
Yeah.
1:09:13
He probably had the best quarterback that the Vikings have seen here is Culpepper.
1:09:16
I mean
1:09:17
Get to roll on.
1:09:18
Yeah.
1:09:20
And I I mean, he's won a lot of games, so I don't know what you're talking.
1:09:26
Like, he'll never win a playoff game if he continues to call plays.
1:09:29
I fought for this a lot last year where I would like to see KOC just be just be the guy that
1:09:37
orchestrates everything and to just be a head coach.
1:09:40
And I just don't know that he can let the ego go.
1:09:43
I don't know if he's ever, you know, has somebody else that he trusts enough to give
1:09:48
those reins to, right, that understands the game in the same way that he does that that he
1:09:55
just like you said, he's gotta be the smartest guy in the room.
1:09:58
And so that may be what what sinks him, honestly.
1:10:02
That may be the thorn in the side of his career.
1:10:07
And
1:10:10
Well, it's not a bad thing to give up some of the power, you know, to delegate more of the
1:10:15
tasks.
1:10:16
You Last year podcast, man.
1:10:19
You you gotta do this.
1:10:20
It just I want I want Drake
1:10:22
Why why does forty one go to come up every time?
1:10:24
We talk about top of everyone while he was trying for one game.
1:10:26
You're right.
1:10:27
He was.
1:10:27
I mean, so is the whole team.
1:10:29
He can't do it himself.
1:10:30
You know?
1:10:31
He should've been.
1:10:32
I mean yeah.
1:10:33
But, I mean, in the three in the you know, so
1:10:37
You know
1:10:37
what it was?
1:10:38
KOC was calling the plays in that game.
1:10:40
Yeah.
1:10:40
That's what it was.
1:10:41
So KLC took over in 2022.
1:10:44
Actors then went with eight and ten.
1:10:46
They went thirteen and four, then, of course, seven and ten, fourteen three, you know, nine
1:10:51
and eight with the you know, total 1% of six thirty two, which is the highest for a
1:10:55
Minnesota quarterback.
1:10:56
So or a coach.
1:10:57
So
1:10:59
Yep.
1:11:00
I he's got a he's got a ton to prove this year, though.
1:11:02
Well, he does.
1:11:03
He does.
1:11:03
Like, I'm making any excuses.
1:11:05
Season.
1:11:06
He's probably after crazy that he he's he's starting with the water on simmer this season
1:11:12
because
1:11:13
No.
1:11:13
He's go he's going in with he KLC is going into the season as the first coach is gonna be on
1:11:20
the hot seat right away.
1:11:22
Yeah.
1:11:22
I mean So the only thing that saved him is he ended the year with the winning record.
1:11:28
Literally.
1:11:29
That's the only thing that saved him.
1:11:30
And the fact that JJ like him.
1:11:33
I I don't think even if they finished eight and nine that they're cutting bait with him.
1:11:37
I think Quazy was pretty well doomed.
1:11:41
Yes.
1:11:42
Nor Morspius, I know you're just getting in here, but this is exactly what I've been kind
1:11:46
of alluding to is that his ego.
1:11:48
And I think it's gonna be his ego that gets a foot.
1:11:51
Can he can he learn from it?
1:11:53
And and what we saw in the season, I thought was leaning that way, but now everything that
1:11:58
we've heard from him in the postseason is just kind of, well, kinda not giving me a lot of
1:12:05
confidence, to be perfectly honest.
1:12:09
Yeah.
1:12:09
I'm I'm fixed on you know, he's gonna go into the season on the hot seat.
1:12:16
We start off o and three, o and four.
1:12:19
That is gonna be pretty
1:12:21
I think the noise is gonna be so incredibly deafening at that point.
1:12:28
The problem is
1:12:28
As long as we've got it,
1:12:29
people are coming back home.
1:12:31
Have anyone that's like a young offensive mind that's in the organization that you're, like,
1:12:36
plugging this dude in.
1:12:37
Right?
1:12:38
Like, if you start o and four and you make a head coaching change and you do give the reins
1:12:43
to Bflow, what the fuck are you gonna do with this offense then?
1:12:47
You know?
1:12:48
Like, who are you are you who would what option is there?
1:12:53
You know what I mean?
1:12:54
You know, who do you have in the organization that you can even move into that?
1:12:58
I know we got a new we got a new what do they call it?
1:13:04
The assistant head coach?
1:13:09
I think so.
1:13:10
Yes.
1:13:11
Assistant head coach.
1:13:11
We got a new offensive line coach.
1:13:18
By week six?
1:13:19
No.
1:13:20
It's it's gonna happen sooner than that if it will.
1:13:25
No.
1:13:26
And Norsby is kinda to your point.
1:13:28
I I feel like he's trying to he's trying to live up to that.
1:13:32
And and for me, I'm not hiring a head coach.
1:13:36
The the head coach is the CEO of the entire team, that that he is the emotional leader.
1:13:43
He is the guy that makes sure that everyone else is doing their job.
1:13:48
I'm not necessarily of the mind that he should be doing the job of that.
1:13:52
That is why you have coordinators.
1:13:54
Right?
1:13:54
You have coordinators that they can focus on that one thing.
1:13:58
And it's
1:14:02
And that's what I'm gonna get at is that's one thing with often, you know, when the team wins
1:14:08
is that their OCs and defensive coordinators are always a hot commodity.
1:14:12
What did KLC do?
1:14:13
If he just call the place, then, yeah, Vikings f'd up and shouldn't hire them because we don't
1:14:19
know if this guy's coaching style is like.
1:14:21
So Right.
1:14:23
Well Well, can speak to this, you know, because last year being GM and head coach of the Saint
1:14:28
Paul Bears, I delegated, and I had my coordinators do their job.
1:14:34
I trusted them enough to for them to do the.
1:14:37
You know?
1:14:38
And then I had fools coming at me like, well, I mean, let's have you call the place.
1:14:43
Let's let's let's have you out there.
1:14:46
Let's see how you do it.
1:14:47
And, well, now I'm defensive coordinator, and our first game, fifty six zero.
1:14:52
Going pretty well.
1:14:53
Pitcher.
1:14:53
So we never do those.
1:14:55
Yo.
1:14:55
We're not everyone else in the league.
1:14:58
We're we're not denying that, you know, he's not calling right right plays and stuff.
1:15:04
I mean, he does need to rely on his offensive coordinator.
1:15:07
So going into this season, you we hired Kyle Kasky, office of quality control, former MLB
1:15:20
player no.
1:15:20
I'm just kidding.
1:15:21
Chili Davis as his assistant special teams coach, Willie Will Johnson as defensive
1:15:27
assistant.
1:15:28
We promoted Chazo to assistant defensive back coach, Gibson to assistant linebacker coach,
1:15:39
Josh McCown to offensive passing game coordinator slash quarterback coach.
1:15:45
So yeah.
1:15:46
So that's everybody that we we there's a whole bunch of coaches on here.
1:15:50
But
1:15:52
What happened to Carlisle?
1:15:54
So are are you if you fire KOC, B Flo slides the head coach, which we think is the move.
1:16:01
Is Josh McCow now taking over the offense and becoming your offensive coordinator and calling
1:16:06
the place?
1:16:10
Jilly Davis, twins world champ.
1:16:12
Yeah.
1:16:16
This little work is for what?
1:16:18
Yeah.
1:16:19
I and it could be worse.
1:16:21
Honestly, Steve, by week six, it could be, worse than it is now.
1:16:27
So, yeah, I mean, we're we're projecting a lot.
1:16:30
Right now, we got, you know, a lot a lot of time between now and then for for things to go
1:16:35
worse.
1:16:36
Hopefully, a lot better, but a lot of stuff in there.
1:16:40
No doubt.
1:16:41
I mean, the wolves obviously like the guy.
1:16:43
Right?
1:16:43
Yeah.
1:16:43
I don't know what their bias is towards him, but I don't think that he's immune.
1:16:48
And I think that the fact that they went out and and let Quasi go, because I'm sure they
1:16:53
liked Quasi to some degree too.
1:16:55
Right?
1:16:55
But at the end of the day, it's production.
1:16:58
And now they've proven that they're not they're not scared to fire people and to to let them
1:17:05
go.
1:17:06
I I do think that maybe they I I don't I don't see the benefit maybe of letting your GM go
1:17:12
midseason Okay.
1:17:14
Except that you are prepared to then hire one when the league when it starts.
1:17:21
Right?
1:17:21
Like, when the league year ends or when the playoffs start, you could be already, you know,
1:17:27
doing something there, which I think was maybe a a little bit of a failure this year.
1:17:31
We're gonna we're
1:17:33
gonna
1:17:33
live to see that one out.
1:17:34
I think that you coulda had one, but, yeah, maybe a little slow to pull the trigger on a
1:17:40
firing, which worries you about the KOC situation next year because they just ride it
1:17:45
out all year long.
1:17:46
Well,
1:17:47
I'd like to know who made the call to hire Kwasey in the first place because he had no
1:17:52
football background.
1:17:54
He was
1:17:54
just a numbers guy.
1:17:56
Like, what are we doing?
1:17:57
Yeah.
1:17:59
Yeah.
1:18:00
Trying to be the smartest people in the room, right, and take a chance and to moneyball this
1:18:04
thing.
1:18:05
And I
1:18:06
That's no wonder the moneyball type move.
1:18:09
I mean
1:18:10
Right.
1:18:10
That's a dumb move.
1:18:12
Yeah.
1:18:14
Sure.
1:18:15
You're not in a position this draft to to get any good players at those.
1:18:19
But sure.
1:18:20
Draft alignment and d linemen with your middle round picks and get no value out of it and
1:18:26
sure.
1:18:27
I mean
1:18:28
But but that's one thing with the combine is that everybody's gonna start fluctuating on the
1:18:33
draft board now because they had good interview process.
1:18:36
They had good times.
1:18:38
They had good hands or, you know, they got a good shape bubble as as what's the space from
1:18:48
ESPN likes to call everybody's butts now is how big their bubble is and you know, so but Mel
1:18:55
Kuiper, that's that's where he's come up with that.
1:18:57
So That's why that's why I'm trying to get to the combine next year, D.
1:19:01
I'm taking you with me.
1:19:02
Yeah.
1:19:03
Just throwing some bubble.
1:19:04
Yeah.
1:19:05
All the positive stuff, but also all the negative stuff.
1:19:09
Like, this is the time where any player that's gonna be in the draft attending the combine, I
1:19:15
just deactivate my phone for that whole time, staying on social media.
1:19:19
Just staying in, go on a, like, a ninety day run and just cut yourself off from the world.
1:19:26
Just put yourself in
1:19:26
a position.
1:19:27
Don't do anything stupid.
1:19:29
Nope.
1:19:30
Nope.
1:19:31
That and and honestly Not
1:19:33
my job, Dre.
1:19:34
Not my job.
1:19:35
I'm looking at this team where they're drafting at and understanding how the draft works and
1:19:41
value in your picks.
1:19:43
Just going out and saying, we're gonna draft all o linemen and d linemen regardless of where
1:19:49
they fall in the big board, I I think it's just it's it's asking.
1:19:53
It doesn't make any sense.
1:19:54
But
1:19:55
that's fine.
1:19:55
I understand.
1:19:56
I'm trying reiterate to this.
1:19:58
I understand how the game is won as well.
1:20:00
Right?
1:20:01
But you you need good players, and this team has a lot of holes.
1:20:07
No.
1:20:07
And the problem with the combine is that you have guys like Jordan Addison that are living
1:20:11
off that 40 time at the combine and can't catch a fucking ball in 2025, '26.
1:20:18
Right?
1:20:18
So
1:20:18
That that's why I don't that's why I don't like the combine.
1:20:21
I mean, you know, if I'm a sure first round pick, I just go do my interviews, you know, and
1:20:28
do my personal workouts later on.
1:20:30
Now if I'm a bubble guy, where could I benefit from going to the combine and maybe getting up
1:20:36
into the first round or early second?
1:20:38
I may go I would go, but, you know you know, if I if I'm like Mendoza, I wouldn't even step
1:20:45
foot out of the combine unless I'm doing interviews.
1:20:47
You know?
1:20:48
So
1:20:48
Yeah.
1:20:49
Because you don't wanna do anything to hurt your draft stock.
1:20:51
Exactly.
1:20:52
That's what
1:20:52
I mean.
1:20:52
You you have nothing to do.
1:20:53
Like Cody said, I'm turning off social media and all that because I don't want no
1:20:58
distractions.
1:20:59
You know, I'm going from the combine to the hotel room to the plane back to home, to my
1:21:05
workouts back home.
1:21:07
You know, I'm not, you know, you know, so
1:21:13
No.
1:21:13
And I you I 'd the top five picks are probably pretty well set.
1:21:18
Every year, there's very few surprises in those.
1:21:22
Some years, I think, are are more than others that, you know, are are pretty well set.
1:21:28
This year seems a little bit more, you know, in flux.
1:21:32
And
1:21:33
You know, I just like the fact that people you know, everybody's got their opinion.
1:21:37
You know, I'll respect everybody's opinion.
1:21:39
But they keep telling us that we don't know how to build a team and, you know, we're throwing
1:21:43
out ideas, but nobody else is throwing out any ideas to counteract our
1:21:47
Well, and, like, he the philosophy that he has Yeah.
1:21:51
Is right.
1:21:52
But, like, who are the o linemen and the d linemen that you're drafting?
1:21:55
To just say you're drafting all all line and d line to me, it is just it doesn't make any
1:22:01
sense.
1:22:02
Right?
1:22:02
Do you build there's more than one way to build a team as well, Dre, and I guess that's where
1:22:06
I'm coming from.
1:22:07
I have stated that
1:22:08
I think they can fix their offensive line.
1:22:10
Yep.
1:22:10
They they need some help on the defensive line, but you have no money.
1:22:15
Right?
1:22:15
You you have players that underperformed last year.
1:22:20
I think the offensive line just getting Darisov back to that top flight caliber is going to be
1:22:26
better next year.
1:22:27
To just go out and we're like, oh, well, we gotta draft, you know, three offensive linemen
1:22:31
in the first three rounds.
1:22:33
It just doesn't it doesn't make any sense.
1:22:36
Like, that that's Yes.
1:22:37
That's that's all I'm saying.
1:22:38
I I think this team, where their value is falling, where they're picking in the draft,
1:22:43
it's probably gonna be safety or cornerback in the first round.
1:22:46
It's probably gonna be safety cornerback or or possibly, you know, a a tight end or somewhere.
1:22:53
I think that's what you're getting.
1:22:54
And the way and that's why we profiled the players that we did in those first rounds.
1:22:59
Is there don't know if there's an offensive lineman that's in the top 45 picks that's gonna
1:23:05
fall in that range because that's what you're kinda working on is ranges when it comes to the
1:23:10
draft that you're like, this guy is a day one starter.
1:23:14
Because typically, guys that you're drafting in the second round on the offensive line are not
1:23:19
day one starters.
1:23:20
You need help right now.
1:23:21
So let Right now, looking at the current ESPN board at Vikings are across 18.
1:23:30
Sixteenth, they got Utah offensive tackle, Cal Caleb Lamou, who's at 16.
1:23:38
So, yes, possibly he could drop.
1:23:40
But before that, I mean, they're projected at number eight, the Miami offensive tackle to go.
1:23:46
He's not gonna drop that far.
1:23:48
You know?
1:23:49
So is there a possibility?
1:23:50
Yeah.
1:23:50
But, you know, what one thing is is we gotta share up some salary cap here before the draft
1:23:57
and stuff like that.
1:23:58
And to hit on you, Dre, for the KOC is the worst coach either.
1:24:03
KOC don't wanna run the ball, so it it's already not happening.
1:24:05
It's a moot point.
1:24:08
Well
1:24:09
but, you know and I was gonna ask you about that.
1:24:12
Now does KLC not wanna run the ball because we don't have an offensive line that can open up
1:24:17
holes, or does he not wanna run the ball because of his ego being a quarterback wanting
1:24:21
to get the quarterback some numbers?
1:24:23
I mean, that's the whole thing.
1:24:27
Probably both.
1:24:28
Yep.
1:24:28
We just play it and play the rookie.
1:24:30
Some of
1:24:30
the d b's.
1:24:31
I I think we we got a lot of of players that we'd be pretty happy with, you know, from the
1:24:36
safeties and cornerbacks that we profiled last week.
1:24:41
You gotta get guys that can start in those positions.
1:24:43
You gotta have them.
1:24:44
I think there's only one position I would say along the offensive line that is who's Proctor
1:24:50
from Alabama, b, just so you can look that other player?
1:24:54
I'm guessing offensive lineman here.
1:24:58
Write a book, Steve.
1:24:59
We'll all read it.
1:25:01
Kaden Proctor.
1:25:02
He is the sixth ranked offensive tackle, thirty first overall, six seven three sixty six.
1:25:11
I mean, definitely don't hate the Alabama linebacker or lineman on both sides of bowl
1:25:18
because they are and coach would like to say they're hungry.
1:25:22
What's that?
1:25:23
Just say tackle, right tackle or left tackle?
1:25:25
It just says opposite tackle.
1:25:27
So
1:25:27
Yeah, man.
1:25:28
You hit him at right tackle opposite of Darasaw, you're talking about some some damage
1:25:32
there.
1:25:33
But, also, range.
1:25:35
It's a reach to draft him at 18.
1:25:38
Right?
1:25:39
And you're not high enough in the second round to be able to snag somebody like that.
1:25:43
Is that someone that they possibly are able to trade back, get an extra second round pick,
1:25:48
draft somebody else, and then maybe possibly pick this guy up, whether it's in the first or
1:25:54
the second round.
1:25:55
Possibly And that could be and that could be something too, you know, that okay.
1:26:00
He's at 31.
1:26:01
So could we, you know, package our second, you know, third and maybe a future second, third to
1:26:09
move up in that first round, late twenties, you know, to get him and we walk away with two, you
1:26:17
know, two solid first round draft picks possibly.
1:26:20
I think that's I think that's tough for this team
1:26:22
to play.
1:26:23
It is tough.
1:26:23
I mean they got.
1:26:24
No
1:26:26
doubt, Dre.
1:26:27
Hey, Dre.
1:26:27
Where did Proctor play?
1:26:28
Did he play left tackle at Alabama then since we got you and you're a big fan?
1:26:34
Oh, we like it.
1:26:35
I I like the size.
1:26:36
I like the size.
1:26:37
Comes down to to ranges.
1:26:41
Right.
1:26:42
It's range.
1:26:42
All about the range.
1:26:43
Straight up to get a dude.
1:26:44
I think it's just I don't believe in that.
1:26:46
Like, leaving good players on the team.
1:26:48
No.
1:26:49
Hold on.
1:26:49
Is he talking to trade up in the second round to get into the first round, or is he talking
1:26:53
about trading, like, at 18 to move up to reach out of him.
1:26:58
I mean, I guess we need to find out what he's talking about.
1:27:01
Yeah.
1:27:01
You know?
1:27:05
Yeah.
1:27:05
Because I'm not trading 18 to move up to get another offensive lineman, you know, if it's
1:27:11
not one of the top couple.
1:27:13
You know?
1:27:15
No.
1:27:16
And like to Yeah.
1:27:19
I I don't see offensive line as the biggest need on this team.
1:27:25
Your your defensive secondary needs help.
1:27:30
I think you need to reward Bflow, only with the contract, with some really good young talent,
1:27:37
and maybe see what you I mean, you're gonna have to find some scrap heap guys to work with
1:27:42
and hope that your new, offensive line coach can maybe change some things along there.
1:27:48
And you gotta have the you gotta have the you have to have the capital.
1:27:58
Right?
1:27:58
Like, you have to have the capital to move around.
1:28:00
He's athletic too.
1:28:01
Trade up in the first.
1:28:02
Well, they haven't projected at thirty one.
1:28:04
Yeah.
1:28:05
He projected at thirty one.
1:28:06
Why would we I I don't know if the reason to move off because think he's gonna there.
1:28:11
He's gonna be there at eighteen.
1:28:13
I mean
1:28:14
Right.
1:28:14
And to me, that feels like a reach.
1:28:16
Right?
1:28:16
Yeah.
1:28:17
Yeah.
1:28:17
I drafted 31, and he's, like, the sixth ranked offensive lineman.
1:28:21
That seems like a bit of a reach.
1:28:23
So, I mean, if he's on the board, then that's that's where you trade back a little bit.
1:28:27
I would take him in the mid twenties.
1:28:29
Right.
1:28:30
I will take him in
1:28:30
the a couple second a couple more seconds or thirds possibly.
1:28:35
Those deals gotta come on the table, and that stuff will not happen until draft day.
1:28:40
Yeah.
1:28:40
So I I definitely would look at him and say, okay.
1:28:45
If he's there at 18, you know, okay.
1:28:47
Maybe we can move back and grab.
1:28:48
I'm not grabbing him at eighteen, but, you know
1:28:53
If we can move back or pick them up early in the second.
1:28:57
But
1:28:57
What d linemen you got then, Dre, since you're all over the d line, o line draft, we'd love to
1:29:04
hear some.
1:29:04
We didn't chronicle we didn't chronicle much of the d line class yet.
1:29:11
Kind of avoid it a little bit with the everything coming out here.
1:29:15
Now I think they got some, you know, they got some good young talent along that defensive
1:29:20
front now.
1:29:21
I hope you see a better year out of Jonathan Allen.
1:29:24
Obviously, Javon Hargraves is gonna be out the door.
1:29:27
But you have the kid that we really like that stepped up, former was it XFL that he was
1:29:35
playing?
1:29:37
His name's abating me right now.
1:29:38
Who was the Redmond.
1:29:40
Redmond.
1:29:41
Right.
1:29:41
Liked what we thought of Redmond.
1:29:43
Hopefully, you see some more improvement in that area.
1:29:49
So so just looking here because I know we have a chronicle.
1:29:53
I mean, there's gonna be in where the Vikings are at, there's gonna be three studs that
1:29:59
you're looking at there.
1:30:01
Peter Woods for Clemson.
1:30:02
He's the first overall, twentieth overall on the board.
1:30:07
Six three three fifteen.
1:30:09
Then you got Lee Henderson or Hunter, six four three twenty five at, you know, second ranked
1:30:16
defense alignment, but first overall.
1:30:19
And then Kaden McDowell McDowell, third overall twenty fourth ranked.
1:30:25
So there is some potentials to get better there, but, you
1:30:29
know have to do some deep dive on that, coach.
1:30:31
Do some defensive tackle tape on those guys, especially because they're right in that range.
1:30:37
Would love to know what you think about them.
1:30:38
If they're game records, I'm I'm all about
1:30:41
But, again, you know, we gotta remember too.
1:30:43
Values there.
1:30:44
We gotta remember too.
1:30:46
None of these players are guaranteed to be starters and hall of fame guys, you know, you
1:30:53
know, coming into the draft.
1:30:54
That's one thing.
1:30:55
Everybody thinks that, oh, their first round pick, they're gonna be this, they're gonna be
1:30:58
that, and how many first round picks have faded out and stuff like that.
1:31:01
So Well like
1:31:02
what you say, the guy from Clemson, I would love me some SEC Oh, yeah.
1:31:08
Tackles in there.
1:31:09
Guys, but they gotta they gotta be able to wreck a game in college, right, to to be
1:31:13
serviceable because you're not playing you're not playing college talent when you get to the
1:31:18
NFL.
1:31:18
You're playing the best in the world.
1:31:20
So it's it's all a gamble.
1:31:21
That's right.
1:31:22
I mean, it is all a gamble.
1:31:23
And and coach Bodhi, he could know, somebody may look good in the combine or the film that
1:31:29
you see, you breed them in, you know, and and he doesn't fit your system.
1:31:35
Or it's a Chagana Carter or Chagana Carter for the Bengals who, you know, was the number one
1:31:40
overall pick, goes out and ruptures his legs and stuff and can't play.
1:31:44
So I mean, it's all a hit or miss.
1:31:47
Who's that?
1:31:49
Or you got a JaMarcus Russell.
1:31:51
Yeah.
1:31:52
Yeah.
1:31:52
So so just because these guys are good and, you know, like I said, I'll value everybody's
1:31:57
opinion, respect it, but, you know, it's just
1:32:02
coaching.
1:32:02
Be nice if they had depth at the defensive tackle position, and I would it would be
1:32:09
awesome.
1:32:09
You know?
1:32:10
But again too, you know, these are pro athletes.
1:32:13
How much coaching up can you do?
1:32:15
I mean, you know, yeah, you could go to Harrah speech and get them fired up, but, you know,
1:32:20
they got to the pros because they know their position and, you know, so how much more
1:32:25
coaching, you know, up can these guys get?
1:32:29
Yeah.
1:32:29
No.
1:32:29
I I think I I kind of agree with Dre too is you just need some dogs, man.
1:32:33
You need some dogs on that defense because I I feel like Bflow can find what you do best and
1:32:40
put you in that position Yep.
1:32:42
To do.
1:32:46
Awesome.
1:32:46
Yeah.
1:32:47
And I think Tiananmen, they was one of the one of the DBs that we were talking about, wasn't
1:32:53
it?
1:32:53
Yep.
1:32:54
Yep.
1:32:57
Yeah.
1:32:57
Delaine yeah.
1:32:59
He he's supposed to be right there at the Vikings pick.
1:33:01
I mean, he's slated for 18 right now.
1:33:05
And then Tillman was he a safety?
1:33:12
Yeah.
1:33:12
The safety from Oregon.
1:33:13
Yeah.
1:33:14
Dylan Tillman.
1:33:15
Yeah.
1:33:16
So both of them could be there.
1:33:18
So I I I think that's where we gotta go.
1:33:20
I think we gotta go defensive backs right away.
1:33:24
You know?
1:33:25
Well, and I think that you can find I think you can find some dogs, some guys with traits at
1:33:31
that defensive line position, especially at the tackle positions because you feel like you have
1:33:36
your edge pretty well, set, with that hybrid d that you're gonna play anyway.
1:33:41
If you do keep Grenaud and you have, you know, an emerging talent in Dallas Turner, that I I
1:33:47
think you feel okay.
1:33:50
You're probably better than okay.
1:33:51
You feel pretty good about your outside, rushing.
1:33:54
It's coming back inside that you really want them stacked up.
1:33:59
And and alluding to what Dre said, we need some depth at that.
1:34:02
You know?
1:34:03
You you gotta have people that that can do there.
1:34:07
So
1:34:08
yeah, definitely definitely, depth is a sure thing.
1:34:13
Gotta have dogs.
1:34:14
I mean, you know
1:34:15
Gotta have dogs.
1:34:16
Dogs.
1:34:17
Alright.
1:34:18
Well, for Dre, coming up, I don't know if we'll wait until I get back in a few in a few weeks
1:34:24
or, what we'll do, but we're gonna deep dive, the defensive tackles.
1:34:29
We're gonna make sure that we get some dogs.
1:34:31
We're gonna put Cody on it, have him sniff him out, and and and the deep rounds.
1:34:37
Right?
1:34:37
I mean, we got several picks.
1:34:39
Right?
1:34:39
We we got some we got some juice to do here, and I don't think that there's you know, what
1:34:46
we need to do, I think, is to picking two.
1:34:49
Pick two safeties.
1:34:50
Pick two cornerbacks.
1:34:52
Pick two defensive tackles.
1:34:53
Right?
1:34:54
And not just picking all over the place.
1:34:58
And, yeah, get get some talent on here and and knowing that, you know, a couple of top flight
1:35:04
players, a couple of starters in those early rounds, but then letting letting things just
1:35:09
kind of fall where they're going to.
1:35:11
And I think stacking up a few more picks and players because you have to get younger anyway,
1:35:16
I think is important right now as well.
1:35:18
Mhmm.
1:35:19
Well, and just because we have so many picks, I haven't done too much research into next year's
1:35:24
draft.
1:35:25
But, I mean, especially with the later ones, if you can package fifth and a sixth to move up to
1:35:31
next year's fourth or something like that, like, I've always been a fan of that too.
1:35:35
So we'll definitely have to see how the board rolls out, the names coming up, you know, the
1:35:41
shockers, the trades, and just see where we land.
1:35:45
But you know?
1:35:45
Everybody's boards just got shifted around.
1:35:47
After the combine, things kinda shift a little bit in here.
1:35:51
After the start of the new league year, which you guys are gonna be talking about, a lot of
1:35:55
cuts and everything happening next week.
1:35:57
So we'll probably start to deep dive player positions and getting more into it.
1:36:02
Probably do our first mock draft towards the March.
1:36:05
I would say we can do a mock draft show and really start to lay that out from that point.
1:36:12
And yeah.
1:36:13
I mean, we're moving in.
1:36:14
It'll be freaking April before we know it.
1:36:17
Well, and that's more thing too, like you like you said there, Bubba.
1:36:20
Your boards are changing.
1:36:22
Once that league is started, people are gonna get cut.
1:36:25
The boards are gonna change Right?
1:36:27
Yeah.
1:36:28
Yeah.
1:36:28
People are gonna start signing and be like, oh, this guy got cut here.
1:36:32
So now we're gonna be here.
1:36:34
So now do we have to draft that spot?
1:36:36
Okay.
1:36:36
So now we're gonna look at a different position.
1:36:38
So, you know, a lot of things are gonna be, you know, change between now and tomorrow.
1:36:44
Tomorrow and next week, you know, the draft is the April.
1:36:47
We're gonna see a lot of changes.
1:36:49
I mean, heck, who knows?
1:36:50
Maybe Mary Mariota drops through the first overall pick to the tenth overall pick.
1:36:55
So, you know
1:36:56
Yeah.
1:36:57
What Nordsby has said, Steve?
1:37:05
Always.
1:37:06
Always, Dre.
1:37:07
Always.
1:37:08
Georgia's got them d linemen and Nope.
1:37:10
And linebacker.
1:37:12
No.
1:37:13
Georgia, Bama, you know, I mean, Philadelphia always is key for drafted Bama defensive
1:37:19
players, and they turn out to be pretty dang sweet.
1:37:22
So
1:37:23
Yeah.
1:37:24
Well, fellas, I know coach has probably got meetings that he's putting off right now and
1:37:29
doing a lot.
1:37:30
I wouldn't mind getting some sleep.
1:37:31
It's been super stressful here.
1:37:33
So I I I put I had a lot of things up in the air until today, and I feel like all of my tour
1:37:41
plans just, like, solidified, like, concrete in a a single 24 period.
1:37:46
My mind start that tour?
1:37:49
I I leave on Thursday.
1:37:51
So I I think I got a couple of interviews that I need to do in the morning yet.
1:37:55
I didn't wanna through Minnesota at all, or you guys go straight south?
1:37:59
So I'll head pretty much east.
1:38:01
Go south to, like, Sioux City, and then I go straight east and then cut down through, like,
1:38:05
Waterloo to catch I 80.
1:38:07
Okay.
1:38:08
And then go 80 pretty much all the way over until you go north into Detroit.
1:38:13
So, yeah, looking probably break the trip up into a couple of days.
1:38:16
I got some family in Illinois hoping to stop and just crash a couch for for the night.
1:38:23
And I appreciate you, Norsefias.
1:38:25
Thank you, man.
1:38:25
And and a big shout out to, you know, all your brothers and sisters in arms, obviously, out
1:38:30
there right now.
1:38:32
You know, our thoughts are always with our active duty and our veteran communities.
1:38:37
And, yeah, North Spies, you're more than welcome to to come on with the boys next couple
1:38:43
of weeks too.
1:38:44
I'll have Cody or Bea maybe drop you a line and shoot you the link out.
1:38:51
My super producer and and a great friend of mine that's been, you know, helping me with the
1:38:58
scene project while Willie will be producing.
1:39:00
Willie Thornton, who might be coming off a a win at the Midwest Talent Awards, man.
1:39:05
So we're we're appreciative of y'all hanging out.
1:39:08
A little bit shorter episode tonight, but Cody's been on the phone half the episode
1:39:12
trying to sign new offensive linemen and trying to coach or trying to get some of these other
1:39:18
teams to come out.
1:39:19
And yeah, man.
1:39:21
I'm really looking forward to talking more DFA with you, coach.
1:39:25
Obviously, we'll be on the group chat, and we'll be in communication while I'm on.
1:39:29
But really, really just proud of you and everybody with the DFA, what y'all are building
1:39:35
there, taking essentially one team that you had a dominant superstar team, and now being able
1:39:42
to add other talents to that and create four teams now to develop and building a blueprint,
1:39:48
I I think, for the rest of the country.
1:39:54
Right?
1:39:55
That all of these major markets, a place like Dallas, why why don't they have something like
1:39:59
this?
1:39:59
You know, especially with as much football is being played in the state of Texas.
1:40:05
So, yeah, looking forward to spending a lot of time covering the Developmental Football
1:40:09
Association, your team, and and double a and just, man, I'm I'm really thrilled to be a part
1:40:16
of this and and how a few conversations turn into, an entire network like it has now.
1:40:23
It's been pretty amazing.
1:40:25
Yeah.
1:40:25
I knew it from
1:40:26
the start that we were gonna build something special, and it's just built on from the
1:40:30
Vikings pregame show to Vikings United.
1:40:32
We got, golf and the baseball one coming up, so we're gonna be having some fun this year.
1:40:38
I'm shooting a couple of golf episodes while I'm on tour as well.
1:40:42
So, look out for that, and, happy to get out there.
1:40:45
A lot more great things to come from all of us.
1:40:48
B, appreciate all your homework that you're doing during the week.
1:40:52
It keeps me from having to do anything, so I appreciate it.
1:40:55
I can just kinda show up and guide the conversation and, keep the chat rolling and
1:41:01
keep them engaged.
1:41:02
Right?
1:41:02
So, shout out to Bonnie Doon Winery and Vineyard, for the new mascot, behind me there.
1:41:09
Appreciative of them sending me a case of wine recently.
1:41:12
I may be dipping in one of those bottles here soon.
1:41:17
I don't know that I have anything to celebrate today, although we did have some pretty big
1:41:21
wins.
1:41:22
But, yeah, appreciate everybody that's been investing in this.
1:41:25
Well, I think I need to send you my address so you can send some of that stuff this way.
1:41:28
There you go.
1:41:28
Well, I'll be coming up there soon, man.
1:41:30
I'll be up there, I think, May.
1:41:32
Got some things that are calling me up to Minnesota.
1:41:36
We'll get a chance to all hang out and spend some time together.
1:41:39
It it'll be really nice to see both of you.
1:41:41
Cody, I haven't seen since last March when we got together up at the casino there.
1:41:46
What a wild time that was.
1:41:48
And yeah, man.
1:41:49
Be looking forward to meeting you in person too.
1:41:51
It's how the Internet works, and you spend so much time with people, and you get to know them
1:41:56
so much.
1:41:57
And you're like, no.
1:41:58
I've never actually, like, shaken your hand before.
1:42:00
Not that you're getting a
1:42:01
handsome Well, we definitely got a good Mexican restaurant here in you know, Oh, in yeah.
1:42:06
Let's go.
1:42:07
Yeah.
1:42:10
Let's go.
1:42:11
Yeah.
1:42:12
Yeah.
1:42:13
I'm gonna
1:42:13
see if we can shoot some content, maybe get our meal for free, boys.
1:42:16
It worked at the Mexican restaurant in Sioux Falls.
1:42:18
So
1:42:19
It'll work.
1:42:20
It'll work.
1:42:20
Yeah.
1:42:21
Hey.
1:42:22
Seeing projects Food Network coming soon.
1:42:24
Don't you worry, boys.
1:42:26
So Alright.
1:42:27
Well, for coach Cody and Big B, I am Bubba Starts.
1:42:30
This has been Vikings United.
1:42:32
Hey.
1:42:32
The boys will see you back here next Tuesday night, 8PM central.
1:42:37
Wild Willie will be doing here.
1:42:39
We got rap from the vocal bikes that he's gonna drop in.
1:42:42
So we're really appreciative of having other creators that can come and kind of fill in for
1:42:47
me while I'm out on tour.
1:42:48
Y'all, it's gonna be a wild trip for me, man.
1:42:50
I got 5,000 miles ahead of me in the next fourteen days, but I am so appreciative to have
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