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TWIST IN MAIN LINE MOM MYSTERY: NEW WASHRAGS, GOOGLE TRANSLATE, WHERE'S ANNA? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a bizarre twist and a
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Speaker 1: mainline missing mom mystery, new Washrags, Google Translate, a missing
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Speaker 1: tarp tonight, Where's Anna?
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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us.
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Speaker 3: A mother vanishes, a phone left on the kitchen table,
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Speaker 3: and a birthday text with one strange mistake.
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Speaker 2: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: How is it that this beautiful young mom of a
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Speaker 1: little four year old boy seemingly vanishes into thin air?
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Speaker 1: First of all, who is Anna Masiska?
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Speaker 4: Anna Mashayevska arrives to continue her education at the University
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Speaker 4: of Louisville, holding two bachelor's degrees for mathematics and computer science,
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Speaker 4: specializing in actuarial mathematics. Anna begins working in finance at
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Speaker 4: ing later Voya Financial and Westchester, Pennsylvania. On a meets
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Speaker 4: Allan Gould during a ski trip and really hit it off.
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Speaker 4: After dating two years, the couple gets married twice in
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Speaker 4: ninety days, first a civil ceremony followed by a Catholic
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Speaker 4: Mass with Anna Mashaevska's family and friends on the designs
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Speaker 4: of European style farmhouse beautiful and unique in they're upscale
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Speaker 4: Chester County, Pennsylvania neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: Good gravy.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm never going to complain about my morning
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Speaker 1: chores again before I go to work. Let's see, let
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Speaker 1: me go straight out to Joe Holden joining US Chief
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter anchor, CBS News Philadelphia. Joe hold On, let
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Speaker 1: me just check this out. What I just heard about Anna?
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Speaker 2: All right?
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Speaker 1: So she starts University Louisville that's in Kentucky. She has
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Speaker 1: two pastor's degrees from mathematics and computer science, specializing in
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Speaker 1: actuarial mathematics. Then she starts working in finance at I
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Speaker 1: in g later at Voya Financial. And in the middle
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Speaker 1: of all this she designs their dream home, which is
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Speaker 1: a European style farmhouse.
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Speaker 2: What did I am I missing anything?
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Speaker 5: You're right on, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: And in fact, this is a really special neighborhood on
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Speaker 6: Philadelphia's main line. In fact, it is insulated from much
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Speaker 6: of the surrounding communities because that's the way of life there.
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Speaker 5: They like their privacy.
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Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, Wait a minute, Joe Holden, I know what
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Speaker 1: that means. I've traveled every square inch of Atlanta and
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Speaker 1: surrounding metropolitan Atlanta. And when you say a neighborhood is
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Speaker 1: isolated from the rest of the city, that means there
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Speaker 1: are a lot of rich people in there and they
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Speaker 1: don't want us getting in, right.
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Speaker 2: They have like gated communities.
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Speaker 1: And those big wrought iron and fences you have to
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Speaker 1: have a keypad to get through. And another thing, I
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Speaker 1: lived in Philly when my sister was teaching at the
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Speaker 1: Wharton School there, and it's a lot different from inner
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Speaker 1: city Philly. From the main Line. I just got very
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Speaker 1: acquainted with the main Line when I was investigating the
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Speaker 1: Ellen Greenberg murder, which was called a suicide BS.
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Speaker 2: No, it will so, yeah, but could you explain to
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Speaker 2: everybody else what is the main Line?
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Speaker 6: So the main Line starts in Overbrook Farms, just west
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Speaker 6: in Philadelphia, and it actually follows the old Pennsylvania Railroad
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Speaker 6: and along all of these towns and communities you are talking.
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Speaker 6: Exclusive places to live are more brnmar Villanova, rosemont Aoli,
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Speaker 6: and then we get to Malvern where Anna Mashashski Masashska
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Speaker 6: lived with her husband.
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't think as so much as a place,
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Speaker 1: Joe Holden, it's it's a way of thinking. The main line,
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Speaker 1: if you're if you live there, you're extremely privileged.
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Speaker 2: You may or may not know that.
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Speaker 1: And if you don't live there, a lot of people
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Speaker 1: want to live there and here.
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Speaker 6: Now, you say that automatically sets the tone for what
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Speaker 6: we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember taking the train. Okay, he didn't
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Speaker 1: have a car in and out of Philly, and I'd
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Speaker 1: hear and I didn't even know what the guy was saying.
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Speaker 1: That's the way they say, ard more and I got
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Speaker 1: off in the wrong place more than once. But you're right,
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Speaker 1: as you're rolling along on the train you see one
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Speaker 1: mega mansion off in the distance. Then it's certainly not
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Speaker 1: close to the street, much less close to the rail line.
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Speaker 2: But they're the super elite rich.
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Speaker 1: Now I want to talk forget about whose dad and
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Speaker 1: granddad and dad great great granddad had, granddad had money.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about this woman Anna.
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Speaker 1: Actuarial science, a field using statistical and mathematical methods to
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Speaker 1: to assess financial risks in insurance and finance.
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Speaker 2: That's what's going on in her brain. She's brilliant. So
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Speaker 2: how did she know how to design their dream home?
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Speaker 1: Tell me about that? How do you just suddenly decide
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Speaker 1: you're going to design a home.
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Speaker 5: Nancy.
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Speaker 6: She's a woman of incredible means and well educated and
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Speaker 6: certainly had degrees to back up a brain of analysis.
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Speaker 6: And what brought her to that area of Philadelphia We
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Speaker 6: are still digging what brought Anna Mashasska to Charlestown Township, Malvern,
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Speaker 6: Chester County. She designs her own home. It's the story
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Speaker 6: of dreams. It is the way of people coming to
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Speaker 6: the United States.
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Speaker 5: This is a dream life. This is how she built
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Speaker 5: her life.
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Speaker 6: Everything seemed to be in place, and there's her ally
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Speaker 6: that we've become familiar with, and then the story sort
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Speaker 6: of takes some twists.
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Speaker 2: Boy, that's one way of putting it.
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Speaker 1: But you know, doctor Angela Arnold, a renowned psychiatrist joining
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Speaker 1: us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.
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Speaker 2: You can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com.
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Speaker 1: The real jewel in her crown, in Anna's crown is
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Speaker 1: having that baby. Boy, she had one child, and that
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Speaker 1: seemed to I mean, she continued to do some very
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Speaker 1: complicated work at Voya Financial in Westchester, again where all
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Speaker 1: the rich people live.
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Speaker 2: But it was the baby. The baby was the jewel.
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Speaker 2: In her crown, as.
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Speaker 7: It is in every mother's crown. It doesn't matter what
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Speaker 7: we do, does it, Nancy. It doesn't matter what you
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Speaker 7: do as a woman. The baby always takes precedence. And
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Speaker 7: it does sound like she's a very smart woman. It
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Speaker 7: also sounds like she's a very smart woman who wanted
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Speaker 7: to put down roots in her community because she took
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Speaker 7: the time to design a home for her family. That's
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Speaker 7: what I think the viewers should take away from the Soles.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor, and I'm not even really sure what a
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Speaker 1: European style of farmhouse would look like, but I know
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Speaker 1: why she was attracted to that style.
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Speaker 2: It was in her DNA listen.
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Speaker 3: Anna and Alan welcome their first child, a son. It
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Speaker 3: doesn't happen quickly, but over the first couple of years
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Speaker 3: of their son's life, the couple begins to argue over
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Speaker 3: how to raise him. Anna wants him to know her
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Speaker 3: Polish background and learn to speak Polish, so she enrolls
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Speaker 3: him in a Polish school in Lakewood, New Jersey, and
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Speaker 3: takes him to classes every Friday.
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Speaker 4: The marriage was faltering as Gould refuses to allow their
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Speaker 4: son to have a Polish passport. Their son is born
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Speaker 4: a US citizen, but Annamasha Avska wants her son to
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Speaker 4: have the Polish passport. Anna begins attending a divorce one
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Speaker 4: oh one class as she prepares for what the future
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Speaker 4: may hold. Alan Gould is concerned if his son gets
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Speaker 4: a Polish passport, he will have trouble, shit on and
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Speaker 4: shoes to go to Paul with their boy.
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Speaker 1: Joe Holden joining US chief investigative reporter and anchor CBS
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Speaker 1: News Philadelphia. Joe, she was just Jackie just pulled up
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Speaker 1: a shot from me of a European farmhouse.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Now we know why she wanted something that looked
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Speaker 1: to European because she was raised in Poland. She was
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Speaker 1: fluent in the Polish language, and she wanted her son
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Speaker 1: to have that dual, either citizenship or at least a
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Speaker 1: Polish passport. And she had him learning the Polish language
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Speaker 1: once a week and it.
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Speaker 2: Was very, very important to her. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 2: isn't it true?
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Speaker 1: You know we glossed over the wedding, But they had
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Speaker 1: two weddings.
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Speaker 2: One was a.
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Speaker 1: Civil ceremony here in the States for the husband Gould,
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Speaker 1: and the other one she went back to Poland. As
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Speaker 1: I understand it and got married in Poland with big
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Speaker 1: Catholic Mass, with all of her family and friends in Warsaw.
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Speaker 6: Is married here as you said, and then goes to
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Speaker 6: Poland and is married in really a pop and circumstance
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Speaker 6: ceremony Catholic Mass. It seemed that Anna was set on
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Speaker 6: making sure that she lived a life that she wanted,
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Speaker 6: and in the voiceover you mentioned something that is absolutely wild.
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Speaker 6: Things were apparently unraveling in this woman's life that she
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Speaker 6: actually goes to a divorce one oh one class according
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Speaker 6: to some documents at Chester County Nights School.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to follow up on what Joe
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Speaker 1: Holden just said. And Joe, please, you know this story
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Speaker 1: better than any of us. Just jump in if you
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Speaker 1: have something to add or we get a factor on,
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Speaker 1: because at this juncture, every tiny fact is critical. I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about what Joe Holden just said, the
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Speaker 1: raising of the child.
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Speaker 2: Okay, the two of them.
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Speaker 1: Anna and husband Gould had gotten along perfectly well, all right,
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Speaker 1: they have the civil ceremony, they fly to Warsaw where
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Speaker 1: she's around all of her family and friends for a
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Speaker 1: big honkin Catholic Mass wedding. Right, they did it up right,
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Speaker 1: everything was fine, dream home, dream marriage, happy, happy, happy,
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Speaker 1: Then comes the baby. You know what to Mark Tate,
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Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer who shot to fame during the Murdog
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Speaker 1: Alex and Murdock double murder trial in your neck of
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Speaker 1: the Woods, Mark Tate, trial lawyer with the Tate Law Group,
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Speaker 1: that's that's when things begin to go sideways, when you
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Speaker 1: finally have something that's worth arguing about, and that would
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Speaker 1: be how you're going to raise the baby.
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Speaker 2: Right, had an argument.
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Speaker 1: And we've known each other a long time Tate, until
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Speaker 1: we had the twins, Right, and we had different ideas
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Speaker 1: about how to raise that.
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Speaker 8: She had very different ideas. She actually made a list
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Speaker 8: of things that she wanted to happen with the child.
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Speaker 8: She thought that Alan was spoiling him, and she specifically
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Speaker 8: mentioned in her notes that she was making in preparation
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Speaker 8: for I Guess her divorce coaching, that he can't have
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Speaker 8: everything that he wants. And she gave an example that
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Speaker 8: apparently Alan gave ag the seven pumpkins for Halloween and
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Speaker 8: that upset her. She was upset that he gave him
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Speaker 8: pastries for breakfast, and she wanted to eat Polish sausage
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Speaker 8: for breakfast. So there were a number of things she
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Speaker 8: had specific complaints about that she thought Alan, and she
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Speaker 8: expressed these in writing and notes to herself that he
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Speaker 8: was doing wrong with raising the child, and she accused
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Speaker 8: him of not letting her have a rental experience with
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Speaker 8: the child. And if you read her notes that are
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Speaker 8: contained in the criminal complaint, she was clearly very unhappy.
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Speaker 8: She said that Alan wasn't supporting her, that he wasn't
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Speaker 8: providing her emotional support. She's very specific about the types
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Speaker 8: of support she expected, and essentially was not participating the
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Speaker 8: way she wanted him to in raising their child.
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Speaker 2: And so is that you're right, Mark Tate.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they fought, and doctor Angela Arnold it may sound
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Speaker 1: like a small thing.
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Speaker 2: A small thing.
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Speaker 1: She wanted him to have Pola sausage and not pastries
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Speaker 1: for breakfast.
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Speaker 2: You know what I make John David.
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Speaker 1: Now, Lucy makes her own instag gram beautiful organic y
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Speaker 1: breakfast every morning.
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Speaker 2: But I make John David a full on, healthy breakfast.
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Speaker 1: I don't want him eating crap for breakfast if I
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Speaker 1: can help it.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Angela, as you've pointed.
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Speaker 1: Out, without request, they're going to grow up and go
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Speaker 1: away to college.
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Speaker 2: I know that.
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Speaker 1: But while I've got them, they are going to eat healthy.
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Speaker 1: And I remember David, my husband, he's still alive, haven't
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Speaker 1: killed him yet, offering John David donuts Krispy Kreme donuts
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Speaker 1: for a breakfast.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, what just happened? Okay?
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Speaker 1: And I remember the first time David said, when the
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Speaker 1: children were about too we don't have to go to
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Speaker 1: church every Sunday. I'm like, fine, you can stay home
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Speaker 1: and play with the devil, but these children are going
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Speaker 1: to church and Sunday school both.
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Speaker 2: Anyway.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like a small thing, right, Pola's sausage versus
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Speaker 1: a pastry.
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Speaker 2: But there's also a principle behind it, right that.
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Speaker 1: You want input in your child's life, and you don't
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Speaker 1: want to be usurped when you're trying your best to
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Speaker 1: do the right thing. And another thing for an absentee
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Speaker 1: father or an emotionally unavailable father to think he can
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Speaker 1: just buy off the child's love, which is what I
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Speaker 1: think was happening. Yes, right, I've got a problem with that.
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Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, we were painting a picture of a woman
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Speaker 7: who very much knows how she wants her life to go.
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Speaker 7: She's a very smart woman. She works in actuarial tables.
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Speaker 7: She knows how she wants to raise her son. Okay. Also,
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Speaker 7: to me, if her husband went to Poland to get married,
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Speaker 7: then to me, that's an knowledge of her heritage. And
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Speaker 7: I'm a little bit shocked that he would not want
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Speaker 7: his child to have a part of that Polish heritage.
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Speaker 7: And I also believe that part of that Polish heritage
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Speaker 7: is in the way she feeds the child and disciplines
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Speaker 7: the child. So this is a matter of the two
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Speaker 7: of them working together. We all have to work together
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Speaker 7: as parents, because yes, as soon as you bring a
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Speaker 7: child onto the earth, it's easy to get along, Like
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Speaker 7: you said, Nancy, if all you're doing is going on
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Speaker 7: vacation and having fun and you're all in love. Having
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Speaker 7: the child is where the difficulty comes when you are married.
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Speaker 2: But it's surprisingly ban it's Gibbons. Let me jump off
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Speaker 2: of that, Brian fits Gibbons joining US Director.
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Speaker 1: Operations uspip A Nationwide Security. I'm going to ask you
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Speaker 1: and Glenn Bard this first to you, Fitzgibbons. How you
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Speaker 1: know I have had seasoned trial lawyers who will do anything.
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Speaker 1: It can be a drug lord, it can be a
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Speaker 1: double murder case.
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Speaker 2: Anything but a domestic.
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Speaker 1: It's like sticking your hand in between two rotweilers fighting, Right,
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Speaker 1: It always goes sideways anything but a domestic.
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Speaker 2: When children are involved, it ramps it up.
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Speaker 5: Certainly, Nancy, in what we hear.
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Speaker 9: What we have here is a massive amount of information
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Speaker 9: gathered in this case that paint a picture of what
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Speaker 9: was going on. And the reason why you say that
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Speaker 9: about domestics is you never know which side to believe.
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Speaker 9: In this case, we have a lot of information through
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Speaker 9: Anna's action, her scheduled actions, and her communications with friends
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Speaker 9: that paint a picture that this marriage was soon to
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Speaker 9: end and that there were some serious troubles over the
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Speaker 9: child and how that child was being raised.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can say serious trouble when the wife is
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Speaker 1: attending a divorce one oh one class.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a problem.
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Speaker 3: Anna Machieska's routine stopped cold one spring morning, and the
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Speaker 3: questions haven't stopped since.
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Speaker 2: That's called routine evidence.
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Speaker 1: Now that it is typical routine, it's evidence of someone's
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Speaker 1: routine and all digital evidence. Everything seemed to stop with Anna.
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Speaker 1: Why now, Okay, this is where I believe it all
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Speaker 1: goes sideways.
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Speaker 4: Listen, taking a trip to Poland to visit her father
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Speaker 4: for his birthday. Anna has already taken the appropriate time
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Speaker 4: off work and booked a flight from Philadelphia to Warsaw,
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Speaker 4: leaving March twenty eighth and returning April second, with a
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Speaker 4: return to work date of April fourth. On April third,
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Speaker 4: her boss gets a text message from Anna saying she
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Speaker 4: is sick. Additional text syndicate she has a stomach virus
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Speaker 4: and will return to work on April tenth two.
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Speaker 2: Glenn K.
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Speaker 1: Barney joining US for in Pennsylvania State Trooper first Class.
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Speaker 2: He's also proficient in.
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Speaker 1: Computer crime Investigation's Chief Technical Officer for pat Tech Digital
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Speaker 1: Forensics US VET of Operation Desert Storm. I just had
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Speaker 1: to add that in Bard. But Bard, let me talk
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Speaker 1: to you about about this. You know those people that
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Speaker 1: are always calling and sick and everybody's like a sick again,
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Speaker 1: or if somebody else is sick, they're like, what Jackie's sick?
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Speaker 2: That's never happened.
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Speaker 5: You know?
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Speaker 1: There are those people that never ever miss work, whether
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Speaker 1: that's good or bad. I'm not a shrink, but they
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Speaker 1: never miss right. That was Anna, and here she is
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Speaker 1: not only missing work when she's supposed to be with
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Speaker 1: her father in hold for his birthday. She yet since
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Speaker 1: a text April three saying she is sick. Then an
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Speaker 1: additional text comes in that she has a and she'll
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Speaker 1: be back April something. Then she gets they get another
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Speaker 1: text that she has a stomach virus and won't be
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Speaker 1: back until April ten. She was supposed to be back
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Speaker 1: April two, with a return to work date April four.
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Speaker 1: A stomach virus lasts six days for a woman that
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Speaker 1: has never missed work. I don't think she even took
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Speaker 1: her whole pregnancy leave.
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Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 10: Well, the thing about it is that people are creatures
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Speaker 10: of habit, and obviously, when you start looking at her
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Speaker 10: patterns of her phones and computer systems, it's going to
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Speaker 10: tell when she happened to change that pattern or change
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Speaker 10: that habit.
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Speaker 11: And that's obviously what they did for her. Look into
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Speaker 11: this and see when she's changing her habits. Because we
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Speaker 11: all call the same people, we all go to work
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Speaker 11: or miss work, we all go to bed at the
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Speaker 11: same time, and obviously when that changes is when we
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Speaker 11: need to start looking at what happened to cause that change.
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Speaker 1: Well, you're right, and this was significant because she was
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Speaker 1: taking a trip to Poland to visit her father for
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Speaker 1: his birthday. The baby, four years old, did not go.
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Speaker 1: Then this text message, okay stomach virus, joining me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of what we know
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Speaker 1: right now, Mark Tate, you better buckle your seat belt
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Speaker 1: listen to this.
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Speaker 12: Co workers are concerned that Anna has not been communicating,
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Speaker 12: and when Anna doesn't show up for work on Monday,
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Speaker 12: April tenth, the coworker calls the state police. An officer
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Speaker 12: attempts to get an answer at the front door, and
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Speaker 12: failing that, he walks around the house looking in the windows.
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Speaker 12: It appears as if nobody is home.
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Speaker 1: Okay, got a problem right there.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Co workers are the ones that call nine one one
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Speaker 1: to report her missing.
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Speaker 2: Not the husband.
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Speaker 1: Is just let that percolate for one moment. But here's
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Speaker 1: my other problem of so many problems. So the officer
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Speaker 1: goes to the door and he knows this is for
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Speaker 1: a welfare check called in by the coworker. He walks
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Speaker 1: around the house, looks in the window, looks like nobody's.
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Speaker 2: Home, and he leaves. He splits and that's that.
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Speaker 5: That's that for that day.
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Speaker 6: She was lucky to have a persistent group of co
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Speaker 6: workers and friends who kept banging Pennsylvania State Police by phone.
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Speaker 5: Get back there, find out.
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Speaker 2: Man, you're not kidding. So what's that all about? Bard?
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Speaker 2: Why did the guy just leave?
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've got workers saying we think she's missing.
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Speaker 1: They go, oh, nobody's home.
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Speaker 11: Okay, bye, amusing.
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Speaker 10: I can't put myself in his position, But if an
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Speaker 10: adult wants to leave and not talk to somebody, they
21:07
Speaker 10: have that right. I've dealt with cases like this in
21:10
Speaker 10: the past, where if an adult just says, hey, I'm
21:12
Speaker 10: gone and they want to go ahead and leave, it's
21:15
Speaker 10: not really our job to say where they can or
21:17
Speaker 10: cannot do that. Now, again, it's kind of hard for
21:20
Speaker 10: me to know all the details of that, but I
21:23
Speaker 10: would like to think that he just didn't see anything
21:25
Speaker 10: that would raise any alarms, and it seemed like a
21:27
Speaker 10: normal thing, and he thought maybe she wanted a vacasion,
21:30
Speaker 10: or maybe she just did divorce him.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to give the officer the benefit of
21:35
Speaker 1: the doubt because all they have is a coworker calling
21:38
Speaker 1: in saying she's missing.
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Speaker 2: But I have a problem when they know a woman
21:43
Speaker 2: is missing and they knock on the door, nobody answers.
21:46
Speaker 1: I mean for allin as she's tied up gagged in
21:48
Speaker 1: the closet inside. But under the constitution, the cop can
21:54
Speaker 1: only do so much. You can't break the door in
21:57
Speaker 1: at that juncture anyway, Okay, what happens next?
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Speaker 2: Listen?
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Speaker 3: On Tuesday, Mail eleventh, Braddusler from Voya Financial gets Alan
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Speaker 3: Gould on the phone and asks him about Anna. Gould
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Speaker 3: tells Dousler that he hasn't seen Anna since she left
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Speaker 3: for work the previous day, and she left her phone
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Speaker 3: behind when she left. Anna's co workers believe something is
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Speaker 3: seriously wrong and report her as a missing person.
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Speaker 13: The defendant wasn't the first person to report his own
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Speaker 13: wife missing to the Pennsylvania State Police. That was actually coworkers.
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Speaker 13: The last time someone physically saw Anna or actually heard
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Speaker 13: her voice was on March.
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Speaker 2: Twenty eighth, from our friends at NBC ten Philly. Back
22:37
Speaker 2: out to Joe Holden. So let me understand this.
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Speaker 1: The co worker Brad Dousler from Voya calls the husband
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Speaker 1: Gold on the phone, and Gould tells coworker he hasn't
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Speaker 1: seen Anas, that she left for work the previous day
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Speaker 1: and she left her phone behind.
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Speaker 6: In a frantic move to get out the door go
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Speaker 6: to work, and she couldn't wait for some update on
23:07
Speaker 6: her phone, so she leaves it behind. She had to
23:11
Speaker 6: suppose it very important meeting and guess what. State police
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Speaker 6: later followed up and determined it was a run of
23:17
Speaker 6: the mills sort of meeting.
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Speaker 5: What are you talking about? This important meeting?
23:20
Speaker 6: So now we see this, this building of a house
23:23
Speaker 6: of cards almost about her what she was.
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Speaker 5: Doing at the time that she can't be accounted for.
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Speaker 5: Where's that date?
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Speaker 1: An update? How long does an update take? Brian Fitzgibbons
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Speaker 1: And can't your phone update? Why are you driving to work?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 9: This is this is a bizarre thing to say that
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Speaker 9: it was due to an update?
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Speaker 6: Right?
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Speaker 9: And how many times have we seen this, Nancy? In
23:47
Speaker 9: cases that we've covered that a husband in the midst
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Speaker 9: of a divorce is not the first person to report
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Speaker 9: a missing wife as missing.
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Speaker 5: To the police. You know this update.
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Speaker 9: I would write it off as a reason for the
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Speaker 9: phone being there.
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Speaker 1: But then the husband doubles down on the story. When
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Speaker 1: coworkers call back and officers arrive.
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Speaker 4: The day after Anna coworkers report her missing, her husband
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Speaker 4: calls nine to one one to report his wife. When
24:17
Speaker 4: officers arrived to meet with Alan Gould, he tells them
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Speaker 4: the same story he told co workers. He last saw
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Speaker 4: on a leaving for work Monday morning around nine to
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Speaker 4: forty five am. Said she was stressed over being late
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Speaker 4: for an important meeting. At ten am, officers notice Anna's
24:31
Speaker 4: iPhone is on the table and it's in a startup
24:34
Speaker 4: update status mode as if it had been reset. Gould
24:37
Speaker 4: tells police Anna was updating her phone the morning she
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Speaker 4: went missing. The update was taking too long to finish,
24:43
Speaker 4: so Anna left the phone at home when she went
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Speaker 4: to work.
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Speaker 3: Divorce papers, a car parked miles from home, and a
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Speaker 3: digital trail that raised more questions than answers. Goule tells
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Speaker 3: police that he and Anna have a strong marriage, a
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Speaker 3: wonderful son, and.
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Speaker 4: A great life.
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Speaker 3: Anna's belongings to are left at the home, except for
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Speaker 3: her car keys. The blue out e she drives is
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Speaker 3: also missing. As police look around the home, they find
25:07
Speaker 3: divorce paperwork and find out that Anna was taking a
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Speaker 3: divorce one oh one class to.
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Speaker 1: Joe Holden, joining US chief investigative reporter and anchor CBS
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Speaker 1: News Philly, Joe, what all did police find.
25:21
Speaker 2: When they went to speak to the husband.
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Speaker 5: So they found interesting circumstances.
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Speaker 6: They found a man who was really not in a
25:30
Speaker 6: state of where's my wife?
25:32
Speaker 5: She's been missing now for well, let's put it this way.
25:35
Speaker 5: The backstory.
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Speaker 6: We know she was last seen, according to prosecutors, in
25:39
Speaker 6: late March, the twenty eighth to twenty ninth of March,
25:42
Speaker 6: when her life came to a sudden stop. You would
25:45
Speaker 6: think police arrived to find a man who is desperate
25:48
Speaker 6: and distraught. No, he's flat. In fact, his first interaction
25:52
Speaker 6: with state police there in Pennsylvania was when he called
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Speaker 6: nine to one one to report her missing the day
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Speaker 6: the day after colleagues had called state police to ride
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Speaker 6: them to keep on tabs with this, and Alan Gould,
26:07
Speaker 6: in a conversation with a dispatcher, presses them, how long
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Speaker 6: is this going to take? When's the state trooper coming?
26:13
Speaker 6: Do I have to wait around for this? And it
26:16
Speaker 6: goes on and on. Here's the chat log, here's the
26:19
Speaker 6: phone call, here's the conversation. It goes on for a
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Speaker 6: page and a half of Alan Gould pressing state police
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Speaker 6: how long? How much time are you going to take?
26:29
Speaker 6: And getting this done?
26:30
Speaker 1: But then the plot thickens and the husband lawyers.
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Speaker 12: Up, Gould hires an attorney, and is less than helpful
26:39
Speaker 12: in trying to find his missing wife. Investigators are contacted
26:42
Speaker 12: by Anna's family in Poland through a local man from
26:44
Speaker 12: Warsaw who has regular contact with them. Anna was supposed
26:48
Speaker 12: to come to Warsaw to visit her father on his birthday,
26:51
Speaker 12: but she didn't come and didn't explain. She sent a
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Speaker 12: text message that she wasn't coming, and his parents say.
26:56
Speaker 12: What really bothered them is a suspicious text message that
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Speaker 12: was sent for and his phone to her father on
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Speaker 12: March thirtieth.
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Speaker 1: Now the family her family in Poland learned through a
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Speaker 1: local man from Warsaw, Anna was supposed to come to
27:10
Speaker 1: Warsaw and visit, but she didn't come and didn't explain. Instead,
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Speaker 1: she sends a text she's not coming. They found this
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Speaker 1: text to be very suspicious.
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Speaker 13: But why On March thirtieth, Anna, who spoke perfect Polish
27:28
Speaker 13: because she grew up in Poland, sent a text message
27:32
Speaker 13: to her father on that day wishing him a happy birthday.
27:37
Speaker 13: The problem is the Polish grammar doesn't make sense.
27:41
Speaker 4: The suspicious text message sent from Anna's phone to her
27:44
Speaker 4: father in Poland was a birthday greeting. The suspicious part
27:48
Speaker 4: is it was written in Polish but contained grammatical layers.
27:51
Speaker 4: Anna was born and raised in Poland and speaks perfect
27:53
Speaker 4: Polish and doesn't talk or text using poor grammar. Investigators
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Speaker 4: determined the same birthday message sent from on his phone
28:01
Speaker 4: was researched via Google Translate. Anna would have no need
28:05
Speaker 4: for a Google Translate message, but investigators find the same
28:09
Speaker 4: Google Translate birthday message printed out in Alan Goole Tome.
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Speaker 13: Someone had researched how to make that exact message via
28:17
Speaker 13: Google Translate, and I had no reason to use Google Translate.
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Speaker 1: That from our friends, say ky WTVCCBS Philadelphia, row Mark Tate,
28:31
Speaker 1: somebody had to google how to say happy birthday.
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Speaker 2: Dad in Polish. They had to google with Google Translate.
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Speaker 2: Don't you just hate when that happens?
28:43
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think the notion here is that
28:47
Speaker 8: the state's going to have to prove somehow that that
28:50
Speaker 8: is evidence of murder, and they've got to prove this
28:54
Speaker 8: beyond a reasonable doubt. And I believe right here on
28:56
Speaker 8: your show, not three minutes ago, someone mentioned that it's
28:59
Speaker 8: always hard hard to know. I wrote it down, It's
29:03
Speaker 8: always hard to know who said what and who did what?
29:07
Speaker 8: And so we have a problem here with this case
29:09
Speaker 8: because in addition to that Google Translate issue, we also
29:14
Speaker 8: have texts from Anna that say, I don't want to
29:19
Speaker 8: come home. I might go and hurt myself rather than
29:22
Speaker 8: rush home to you. We have her visiting suicide hotline
29:26
Speaker 8: websites to talk about how to deal with people who
29:30
Speaker 8: are contemplating suicide. We have instances where and we know
29:36
Speaker 8: she's had statements in her medical records as well as
29:39
Speaker 8: a text that she had a miscarriage what in October
29:44
Speaker 8: prior to her going missing, and she was very depressed
29:47
Speaker 8: about that. She searched about depression a lot and so minute.
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Speaker 1: So you're saying, first of all that there were texts
29:57
Speaker 1: that Anna sent. Okay, let's just let that sink in
30:02
Speaker 1: for a moment, about how depressed the suicidal she was.
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Speaker 2: Gee, I wonder who wrote those.
30:08
Speaker 1: And you're also stating that she was so depressed about
30:12
Speaker 1: losing a baby to miscarriage that she would rather kill
30:17
Speaker 1: herself and leave her four year old son behind to
30:21
Speaker 1: what to be with the baby she miscarried. That's your
30:25
Speaker 1: reasoning spoken like a true man.
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Speaker 8: It's more nuanced than that, and So what it is
30:31
Speaker 8: here is we have to figure out wre state of
30:33
Speaker 8: Pennsylvania is going to be able to prove to twelve
30:36
Speaker 8: jurors beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Speaker 2: And remember you think that's new here, because I don't.
30:42
Speaker 1: I do, I don't, And I think the same person
30:45
Speaker 1: that had to look up Google translate how do I
30:48
Speaker 1: say happy birthday daddy and polish? The same person that
30:53
Speaker 1: did that and send that freaky, grammatically imperfect message, the
30:59
Speaker 1: same person did that, Sandy.
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Speaker 2: I'm so sad.
31:02
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill myself rather than come home to you
31:04
Speaker 1: and my son.
31:05
Speaker 2: That is the light of my life. Yeah, you just really.
31:09
Speaker 1: Didn't your own grade with your teeth Tate.
31:14
Speaker 2: No, No, the thing I can Okay, you know what, what,
31:21
Speaker 2: go ahead.
31:23
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that I can't believe there's no playbook
31:27
Speaker 1: for grief.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 8: I'm not going to say that. I wouldn't say that.
31:35
Speaker 5: I don't know.
31:36
Speaker 8: I mean, I have no idea how he was going
31:38
Speaker 8: to act. Clearly, this guy is a different kind of
31:41
Speaker 8: criminal defendant who anticipated properly that he's going to need
31:45
Speaker 8: a lawyer and an investigator.
31:47
Speaker 5: Because you know, you.
31:48
Speaker 8: Love to say it's always the husband or always the
31:51
Speaker 8: spouse who kills the spouse.
31:54
Speaker 2: You got that off a T shirt. I never said that. Oh,
31:58
Speaker 2: that's exactly what you think.
31:59
Speaker 8: We always look at the husband first.
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Speaker 2: Always.
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Speaker 1: You know what, I'm glad you said clairvoyant Tate because
32:07
Speaker 1: apparently this guy's clairvoyant, because before anybody said she's missing,
32:13
Speaker 1: he researches criminal defense attorneys and in his home they
32:21
Speaker 1: find a check written out. Okay, Joe Holden helped me
32:25
Speaker 1: out here. Isn't it true that when police were at
32:27
Speaker 1: the home just trying to gather some information, they find
32:29
Speaker 1: a check to a criminal defense attorney that says for
32:34
Speaker 1: defense if.
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Speaker 6: Needed, seventy five thousand dollars in the memo trial defense
32:42
Speaker 6: if needed. Also googled and researched law firms in the
32:45
Speaker 6: area and also other disappearance cases.
32:48
Speaker 2: Could I please see Mark Tate's face. That's what he's
32:53
Speaker 2: That's what.
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Speaker 5: He's supposed to do.
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Speaker 8: No, it's what he's supposed to do. He knows in
32:58
Speaker 8: the area. Absolutely, he needs to figure out how he's
33:02
Speaker 8: going to defend himself when he's going to be accused
33:04
Speaker 8: of murdering his suicidal wife.
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Speaker 2: She did.
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Speaker 5: I'll tell you what else.
33:12
Speaker 8: I think those searches she was doing about who is what,
33:14
Speaker 8: in paternity, in alimony. I don't think she's searching to
33:18
Speaker 8: figure out what she can get from him. Her income
33:21
Speaker 8: was vastly greater than his, and she was concerned about
33:24
Speaker 8: whether she's going to be paying him alimony.
33:26
Speaker 5: So all of these are.
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Speaker 2: You saying that she not only made all the money,
33:33
Speaker 2: she was extremely frugal. And I love her clothes.
33:37
Speaker 1: I dressed the same way, extremely frugal, And you can
33:41
Speaker 1: tell from the pictures she spent no money on herself.
33:44
Speaker 2: Everything was saved. So she makes all the money.
33:48
Speaker 1: She designs the house, she raises the baby, she works
33:52
Speaker 1: every day.
33:52
Speaker 2: What is he doing kicking back, Well, he's delivering the
33:58
Speaker 2: child swims murder mysteries.
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Speaker 8: He's delivering the child to swim lessons. He's taking the
34:03
Speaker 8: child to school, getting him the wrong kind of breakfast,
34:07
Speaker 8: and buying her to buying too many pumpkins. But the
34:10
Speaker 8: fact is, but the fact of the matter is is
34:12
Speaker 8: that she.
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Speaker 1: Hasn't one time swimming classes, tennis classes and then a movie.
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Speaker 2: Hey was it a double feature?
34:21
Speaker 1: Because it was the same day she goes missing and
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Speaker 1: he needed an alibi.
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Speaker 8: Tait Well it's what he did, you know, So she'd
34:28
Speaker 8: been sick for a week. He's taking care of the kid,
34:30
Speaker 8: but he doesn't have to explain any of these things.
34:33
Speaker 8: It's the state of Pennsylvania. It's going to miss twelve people. Yeah,
34:37
Speaker 8: means well else, she was sick for the week before,
34:42
Speaker 8: she all she went to work on the morning of
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Speaker 8: the tenth apparently, and she thought just because nobody else
34:47
Speaker 8: thinks these meetings are important to her, This lady is
34:49
Speaker 8: a very exacting mathematics.
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Speaker 2: Never made it to work. Straighten him out, holding he.
34:54
Speaker 1: Never didn't work.
34:58
Speaker 5: But also we're talking about pattern here.
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Speaker 6: If you want to talk about which parent is really
35:03
Speaker 6: involved in the child's life, let's talk about that Polish
35:06
Speaker 6: school every Friday for more than a year and a half,
35:09
Speaker 6: that's two hours from Charlestown Township over to Lakewood, New Jersey,
35:14
Speaker 6: and all of a sudden, she's not doing that any longer.
35:18
Speaker 6: And then here we see in these documents a plane
35:21
Speaker 6: trip there, plane ticket to Warsaw for the dates of
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Speaker 6: March twenty eighth to April second, almost a thirty five
35:28
Speaker 6: hundred dollars.
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Speaker 5: Ticket doesn't happen.
35:30
Speaker 6: And then in the paragraph above that is an email
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Speaker 6: the parents finally sent right to Anna saying please contact us.
35:38
Speaker 5: We love you.
35:38
Speaker 6: You can confide in us, you can tell us what's wrong.
35:41
Speaker 6: That's April tenth. So now the thing is languishing. The
35:45
Speaker 6: questions are building and stay. Police aren't getting anywhere a visit,
35:49
Speaker 6: they don't answer, there's no one at the door, No
35:51
Speaker 6: one comes to the door. And then the reports are
35:53
Speaker 6: made the day after, and then Alan Gold finally is approached,
35:56
Speaker 6: calls nine to one one to make a report, and.
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Speaker 5: Well, things are flat. As someone else.
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Speaker 3: Said, neighbors begin putting up flyers have you seen Anna?
36:06
Speaker 3: Allen Lee coworker and friend sets up a Facebook page
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Speaker 3: finding Anna Mashieska and asks Alan Gould to help. He
36:12
Speaker 3: tells her it's not a good idea and refuses to help.
36:15
Speaker 3: Searches are conducted in the neighborhood by friends and co
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Speaker 3: workers of Anna.
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Speaker 4: Nearly four weeks after Anna vanished, her car is found
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Speaker 4: on May eighth and the Charlestown Meadows Overflow parking lot.
36:25
Speaker 4: The car was found near the neighborhood walking trails in
36:28
Speaker 4: an area she did not live. Friends say the car
36:31
Speaker 4: was found backed into a parking spot, not something on
36:33
Speaker 4: it would do. Since Pennsylvania cars are not required to
36:36
Speaker 4: have a front license plate, backing a car into a
36:39
Speaker 4: space would prevent the license plate from being seen. Inmbreyville,
36:43
Speaker 4: state troopers, search dogs and state police cadets performed a
36:46
Speaker 4: search of the woods, neighborhoods and surrounding area of Charlestown Meadows.
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Speaker 1: So her car is found part batcave style, backed in
36:55
Speaker 1: at an overflow parking a lot at a nearby ritzyat
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Speaker 1: there it is residential area. People in the neighborhood say
37:04
Speaker 1: they don't know who she is. They've never met her,
37:07
Speaker 1: so why was her car there? I understand her brother
37:11
Speaker 1: in law, married to her sister flies in from Poland
37:14
Speaker 1: from Warsaw to try to find her, and the husband Gould,
37:19
Speaker 1: refuses to meet with him. To Joe Holden joining us
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Speaker 1: CBS News Philly, what can you tell me about cadaver
37:27
Speaker 1: dogs brought onto the home premises the whole area.
37:36
Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
37:43
Speaker 6: So the dog's name is Crados and after troopers set
37:48
Speaker 6: him free, he showed alert behavior to human remains in
37:52
Speaker 6: the area of the northeast corner of the property. They
37:55
Speaker 6: continue the search of that area and found the soil
37:58
Speaker 6: to have been disturbed. They also found a small piece
38:01
Speaker 6: of a tarp and burnt debris mixed into the soil.
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Speaker 1: The northeast part of Gold's property where the dream home is.
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Speaker 1: They find and I've used them ground penetrating radar. It
38:18
Speaker 1: works great, kind of looks like a sonogram. And you
38:21
Speaker 1: see the baby. You're looking at this and you.
38:24
Speaker 2: See the disturbed soil.
38:26
Speaker 1: They not only see it on the ground penetrating radar,
38:29
Speaker 1: they see it with the naked eye that some of
38:32
Speaker 1: the soil is disturbed on top of the ground and
38:35
Speaker 1: that happens to be where the cadaver dog hits.
38:38
Speaker 2: And not only that, they find bits of.
38:41
Speaker 1: Charred something and part of eight blue tarp. Now, isn't
38:49
Speaker 1: it true, Joe Holden that a while back, about a
38:54
Speaker 1: year before, the husband buys three blue tarps at home depot.
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Speaker 1: Two of them are found in the home in the
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Speaker 1: home with search. One is missing. Isn't that true?
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Speaker 5: He has these tarps.
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Speaker 6: They're able to go back, They're able to research these purchases.
39:10
Speaker 5: And there is h there were three. Now there's just two.
39:14
Speaker 6: And to add to the search of that property with
39:18
Speaker 6: the kidaver dog, there's a piece of up tarp, a
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Speaker 6: blue tarp found in that area where there's also burnt debris.
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Speaker 1: You know another thing that's really interesting to Glenn K. Bard,
39:31
Speaker 1: former Pennsylvania state trooper, that the cleaning people that routinely
39:36
Speaker 1: cleaned the family home notice that the home is very
39:40
Speaker 1: messy when they come to clean it.
39:41
Speaker 2: Up, except the master bedroom.
39:44
Speaker 1: Sinks in the bathroom are perfectly clean, like nobody's ever
39:48
Speaker 1: even lived there.
39:49
Speaker 2: And they notice, thank you ladies.
39:53
Speaker 1: They notice that all the families washrags they're all gone
39:57
Speaker 1: and now they are a brand new sets of washrags
40:02
Speaker 1: in the linen closet.
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Speaker 2: Hmmm.
40:05
Speaker 10: That's obviously going to be an indicator that there was
40:08
Speaker 10: something being cleaned up and certain items disposed of. Obviously, again,
40:12
Speaker 10: that kind of goes along with when a person tries
40:14
Speaker 10: to hide their actions, they're going to do anything they
40:17
Speaker 10: can to get rid of the evidence that may be
40:19
Speaker 10: used against them. And we always like to say a
40:21
Speaker 10: lot of times the absence of evidence is the evidence
40:23
Speaker 10: we're looking for.
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Speaker 11: And that seems like one of those situations like that.
40:27
Speaker 1: Mark Taate trial lawyer, defense attorney, what about the brand
40:31
Speaker 1: new washrags. When's the last time you hopped on over
40:35
Speaker 1: to bed bath and beyond and bought all new washrags,
40:38
Speaker 1: not towels, but the washracks, all new and all the go.
40:43
Speaker 2: I'll throw them all away.
40:45
Speaker 8: So according to the criminal complaint that's filed, it's said
40:49
Speaker 8: that they had he had new cleaning rags, and that
40:52
Speaker 8: may be something to talk about. And apparently his side
40:55
Speaker 8: of the sink was pretty clean.
40:57
Speaker 1: You know.
40:58
Speaker 8: Uh, that's something that someone's going to testify too, I suppose.
41:02
Speaker 8: But at some point there's going to have to be
41:05
Speaker 8: a bridge maid. There's going to be a connection made
41:08
Speaker 8: that links all of those things to prove that Gould
41:12
Speaker 8: murdered his wife beyond a reasonable doubt. And my faint
41:16
Speaker 8: with all this is is.
41:17
Speaker 2: You don't believedogs are real.
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Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 8: I believe they're real, but I believe they're very susceptible
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Speaker 8: to false positives. Anything can trigger.
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Speaker 2: Them to be flying all the time. I hate that
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Speaker 2: it alive, but they could.
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Speaker 8: Be tricked into responding. It could be any other animal
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Speaker 8: that had died there. It could be any number of
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Speaker 8: things that cause a false alert. And each one of
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Speaker 8: those things. This lawyer that got this, this lawyer who
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Speaker 8: got paid seventy five thousand dollars. I hope that's just
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Speaker 8: a retainer, because he's going to spend a lot more
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Speaker 8: time than that to defend this guy. This myriad of
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Speaker 8: things to take care of.
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Speaker 1: Now to hear veteran defense or ANYMOK take tell it.
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Speaker 1: They could averdogs were tricked and all of the washrags
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Speaker 1: in the home were thrown away and new ones were
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Speaker 1: bought because the old ones left behind LNT. Now I
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Speaker 1: wonder who would have noticed the lent issue? Since Anna
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Speaker 1: is gone? What the husband's cleaning and decides, Oh, I
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Speaker 1: see lent.
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Speaker 2: Let me get rid of the washrags.
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Speaker 1: That's not going to work, Okay, anybody, any woman on
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Speaker 1: this jury that has cleaned her home before, no offense
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Speaker 1: man is going to know that.
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Speaker 2: That's byes.
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Speaker 1: So don't say that, defense attorney. But I want to
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Speaker 1: talk about something more substantial, and that would be NAV
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Speaker 1: system evidence to Joe Holden joining us. Isn't it true
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Speaker 1: that Anna's NAV system in her Audi showed the movements
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Speaker 1: of her card, just like in Alex Murdock's case, his
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Speaker 1: NAV system in his SUV technical legal term screwed him
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Speaker 1: because it showed he was lying.
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Speaker 2: What did Anna's NAV system show.
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Speaker 6: Showed regular movement around town. Five miles here one day,
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Speaker 6: four miles the next three two. And remember she's missing
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Speaker 6: since March twenty eighth. So now here we are April twelfth,
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Speaker 6: and the vehicle's moving, and yet there's no Anna.
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Speaker 5: And that's her car. She's the only one who drove
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Speaker 5: that car.
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Speaker 6: Oh, by the way, Nancy, when we remember that the
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Speaker 6: vehicle is discovered less than a mile from where this
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Speaker 6: couple and their son lived, Cadaver dogs once again visit
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Speaker 6: that alti there circled and hit on the presence of
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Speaker 6: the odor of either bloodbone tissue, or decomposition fluid within
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Speaker 6: a specified area in the trunk of the Audi.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that neighbors observed Anna's Audie being driven around,
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Speaker 1: but not by her. It was the husband driving her,
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Speaker 1: and specifically, the nav system showed that her car was
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Speaker 1: never even cranked up on April ten. Isn't that the
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Speaker 1: day that she was rushing to work in a hurry?
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Speaker 6: Joe Holden, that's right, And here are all of those
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Speaker 6: entries in the court documents showing the trips of the
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Speaker 6: auti going around on April fourth, April fifth, seventeen minutes,
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Speaker 6: two minutes, nine minutes, neighbor.
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Speaker 5: Saying it wasn't Ana behind the wheel of that car.
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Speaker 1: So the morning that the husband says she raced out
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Speaker 1: and left her phone behind updating her car wasn't even
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Speaker 1: started that day April ten. The last trip that car
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Speaker 1: made was on April eleven, based on the NAV system
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Speaker 1: in the battery information at one point thirty a m
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Speaker 1: total time nine point six minutes, exactly the time it
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Speaker 1: would take to travel from her home to the overflow
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Speaker 1: parking a.
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Speaker 2: Lot where her audi was found. Isn't that true, Joe Holden?
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Speaker 6: You know what else was found in that car in
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Speaker 6: the trunk her purse and receipts spending pattern that shows
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Speaker 6: she stopped making purchases or at least stopped storing the
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Speaker 6: receipts from whatever was going on. On March twenty eighth,
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Speaker 6: that was the last time a receipt was found for
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Speaker 6: a purchase.
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Speaker 1: And what other Google searches Joe Holden were found?
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Speaker 6: Quite an extensive strangulation and other things, how to handle
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Speaker 6: crime scenes and taking you from being married one day,
45:41
Speaker 6: more searches about divorce. You know, Anna was really precipitating
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Speaker 6: the divorce, but Alan appeared to be trying to mop
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Speaker 6: up a mess. Really, according to the Pennsylvania State Police, we.
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Speaker 2: Wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 1: The centerpiece of this case is that then four year
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Speaker 1: old little boy, now living without his mother. We remember
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Speaker 1: an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Dan Thomas Glaize Junior, Russ
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's, Wisconsin, shot and killed in a line of duty,
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Speaker 1: leaving behind a loving wife, his high school sweetheart, Sarah,
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Speaker 1: and children Kendall Levi and Eliana. American hero Deputy Sheriff
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Speaker 1: Dan Thomas Glaize Junior. Thank you to our guests for
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Speaker 1: being with us even you take, but especially to you
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Speaker 1: for being with us tonight and every night. Nancy Gray
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Speaker 1: signing off, I'll see you tomorrow night, sixteen, nine o'clock sharp Eastern,
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Speaker 1: and until then, good night friend,