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Bachelorette Revisit with Trista Sutter, Deanna Pappas & Caroline Lunny · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with her radio. Oh man, what a week. I'm pumped
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  Speaker 1: for this week. I love Ashley to death, but there
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  Speaker 1: is a woman in my life that I am so
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  Speaker 1: excited to share with you all, all of you. Jessica Clark. Hi, Jessica, Hey, Benjamin,
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  Speaker 1: My my girlfriend is co hosting the podcast with me
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  Speaker 1: today because she watched one of her first full episodes
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  Speaker 1: of The Bachelor or Bachelor and I Guess to Stay
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  Speaker 1: last night. She was a part of watching the reunion show,
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  Speaker 1: so she thought it would be a great idea to
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  Speaker 1: come on and co host with me. I thought it
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: was a great idea. I hear thought it was a
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: great idea. And Ashley need to take the week off.
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  Speaker 1: So Jessica's on the podcast today. But to get it
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  Speaker 1: warmed up, Jessica, do you feel little nervous? Um? I
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  Speaker 1: was sweating earlier, but it's kind of stopped. Now let's
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  Speaker 1: start sweating again. Um. To get her warmed up a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, We're gonna stick JESSK in the hot seat.
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  Speaker 1: And for the sake of privacy and because I think
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  Speaker 1: she might get a little nervous around me, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to step away and let Amy our producers step in
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  Speaker 1: and throw Jessica in the hot seat. Jessica, you are
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  Speaker 1: a doll. I cannot wait to do this podcast with you.
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  Speaker 1: Is going to be a blast, but I'm gonna step away.
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  Speaker 1: Good luck, Amy take it away. So jess hiy. So
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you and Ben have a lot of fun
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  Speaker 1: later in the show with Tristan and Dianna Pappas. Is
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  Speaker 1: it Dianna or Deanna? Dianna Dianna Pappas Deanna? Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: they'll be here. But first, now, Ben called it for privacy.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's more to protect him from not having
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  Speaker 1: to be the one to ask you these questions. But
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  Speaker 1: I will. So first we'll start with the easy Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Did you never walk into well, I'll use you into it.
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  Speaker 1: Did you never watch the show before? Well, I had
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  Speaker 1: watched it. I've watched episodes here there. I think last
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  Speaker 1: time I was on I might have mentioned, like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: when you're in college and you have friends on Monday nights,
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  Speaker 1: sort of like come and watch The Bachelor with me.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of a fun like girls night. But I've
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  Speaker 1: never been like I'm gonna watch every single one you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of those die hard get on a tour bus
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  Speaker 1: kind of fans. And had you watched any of Ben's season?
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  Speaker 1: So I hadn't. Actually I think I might have watched
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  Speaker 1: like part of one episode, but it didn't really register,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I wasn't right, Yeah, because my mom
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  Speaker 1: watched the show too. How did it feel just sort
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  Speaker 1: of moments ago watching Ben on the show and seeing
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  Speaker 1: clips of Ben with Joejo and seeing clips of Ben
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  Speaker 1: with Lauren and saying I love you too, both of
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  Speaker 1: them because that was kind of what they highlighted about
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  Speaker 1: your boyfriend Ben. What does that feel like? Yeah? I
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  Speaker 1: think I actually wasn't expecting to like have the reaction
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  Speaker 1: that I did. And I watched the episode of My
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  Speaker 1: Room and she looked at me and she was like,
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  Speaker 1: you don't like this very much? Do you? And I
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  Speaker 1: was like no, I'm like, I'm surprised by how much
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  Speaker 1: my stomach dropped watching that. And I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of it just had to do, like I mean, especially
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  Speaker 1: as a girl and coming into this world, and right
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  Speaker 1: when I first started dating Ben, all my friends that
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  Speaker 1: had watched his season where like he had the most
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  Speaker 1: attractive girls ever on his season, like that is crazy, right,
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  Speaker 1: But like right off the bat, I'm like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: like he actually did. Because then with Instagram and social media,
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  Speaker 1: you can see all these girls that my boyfriend has
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  Speaker 1: dated before on TV, and so already you're kind of
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  Speaker 1: playing that comparison game in your head. And um, I
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  Speaker 1: think even if you're not dating someone that's been on
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  Speaker 1: a television show, you will easily scroll through Instagram and
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  Speaker 1: compare yourself and be like, how in the heck am
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  Speaker 1: I supposed to be like these girls that I see
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  Speaker 1: on here that looks so wonderful and perfect. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's right. It's human nature. I mean, I think people
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  Speaker 1: could be married for fifteen years and then they go
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  Speaker 1: to the high school reunion and they're like, oh that
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  Speaker 1: my husband dated the prom queen and they get all
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  Speaker 1: jiggly wiggly about it. So I don't I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it's that abnormal that you felt that way. So what
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  Speaker 1: and Ben was not with you when you watched it? Right, No,
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't. So what did you feel seeing it? And
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  Speaker 1: how are you feeling you know now, like a few
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  Speaker 1: hours later? Um, I mean I didn't feel good watching it.
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  Speaker 1: My stomach dropped, my toes. Um, that makes me feel
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  Speaker 1: sort of bad, No, because it's part of it. I
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  Speaker 1: mean I probably should have known. I think I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: expecting for it to be on the episode either, but
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  Speaker 1: like it was a little bit more jarring too, because
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  Speaker 1: you weren't prepared. Yeah, Like I didn't even know that
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  Speaker 1: Ben was going to be on it last night because
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  Speaker 1: it was like for the Bachelorette, And then I didn't
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  Speaker 1: really put together when they were doing like the first
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  Speaker 1: part of it, and he was, I guess the first
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  Speaker 1: and I'm guessing the only person to tell to you
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  Speaker 1: people that he loved them. Um. And so even just
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  Speaker 1: in that context too, you're kind of like, whoa. Then
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  Speaker 1: you see these two really cute girls that he's kissing
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  Speaker 1: and saying I love you too. I mean, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: can't feel great. No matter how how strong you are,
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  Speaker 1: how solid your relationship is, it just feels It's not
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  Speaker 1: that it feels necessarily terrible, it just is a bit jarring.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, like no one wants to see their boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: doing that, even if it was a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the exes are the exes, and you don't
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to even really hear your boyfriend talking
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  Speaker 1: about their ex girlfriends and so then watching them on
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  Speaker 1: TV telling them that they love them. That's something that
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  Speaker 1: you have never been prepared. Oh, I can't hope that
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  Speaker 1: you would never see I can't even imagine. And then
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  Speaker 1: I think the hard thing for you, and I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: it's you and I talking, and I think people will
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  Speaker 1: probably be interested is that Ben will always be known
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: as having been engaged to Lauren, no matter what you do,
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  Speaker 1: no matter whether you like it or not, every magazine article,
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  Speaker 1: every blog that's written about him always says, and even
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  Speaker 1: if it says Ben is so happy with this wonderful girlfriend,
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  Speaker 1: Jessica Clark and she's the most beautiful person alive, he
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  Speaker 1: was formally engaged to Lauren Bush now and it just
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  Speaker 1: will always be there. So how do you sort of
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  Speaker 1: deal with that? I think the biggest thing for me
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  Speaker 1: is focusing on like what's true today? I read a
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  Speaker 1: book and it was kind of about just relationships in general,
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  Speaker 1: and how when you are thinking about your relationship, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's a friendship or romantic or whatever it is, you
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  Speaker 1: have to wake up in the morning and be like,
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  Speaker 1: what is true about this relationship today? And so I'll
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  Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and if there's been a
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  Speaker 1: headline or if one of my friends has sent me
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  Speaker 1: some article about Lauren or whatever it might be, what
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  Speaker 1: do they do that? Sorry to interrupt, but wait, they
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  Speaker 1: should not do that. What's like send an email last
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  Speaker 1: year friends right now, don't do that. Why are you
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  Speaker 1: doing that? Let's not do that. Well, I'm not very
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  Speaker 1: good at keeping up with everything, so I mean, I
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: have like five ants, plus my mom, plus my friends.
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  Speaker 1: They're just looking out for me. It doesn't know. I
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  Speaker 1: get they're not trying to do the wrong thing, but
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  Speaker 1: it's still kind of like a dagger. No matter what
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  Speaker 1: you do, you're like ouch. But I like this book. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: keep going. Yeah. So it's kind of and I think
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  Speaker 1: all girls struggle with identity in comparison, as I said earlier,
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  Speaker 1: but waking up in the morning and being like, Okay, today,
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  Speaker 1: I am the one that's dating been. I know how
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  Speaker 1: Ben feels about me right now at this moment, and
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  Speaker 1: that's all that should really matter to me. And whenever
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  Speaker 1: I kind of started to get carried away or I
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  Speaker 1: go down an Instagram hole or whatever it is. That's
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  Speaker 1: kind of a question that will ground me again, is well,
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  Speaker 1: what's true at this moment right now with my relationship
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  Speaker 1: with Ben. I think that's great advice, done that path.
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  Speaker 1: I also think going down what we call the Instagram
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  Speaker 1: hole is bad, bad, bad, bad bad. Oh my gosh, Jesse,
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  Speaker 1: I have so been there. Like we all have to
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  Speaker 1: just say to ourselves, stop stop doing this, because suddenly
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  Speaker 1: you're looking at your boyfriend's sisters, ex boyfriends, trainers, um cousins, kids,
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  Speaker 1: graduation and you're like, why am I here? Why am
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  Speaker 1: I doing this? Step away from the phone. So it
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  Speaker 1: is it really is, I think appecially because I like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not I've never been like an I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: you look at my Instagram page, like it's me and
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  Speaker 1: my friends and I'm not used to posting and having
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  Speaker 1: however many people falling, you know, look at it, and
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  Speaker 1: then a lot of these girls that I'll look at
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  Speaker 1: are used to that and their Instagram is just like
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  Speaker 1: so put together, and I'm like, wow, I am a disaster.
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  Speaker 1: You're not. In general, you need to step away from
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  Speaker 1: the phone and also not read the comments. But speaking
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  Speaker 1: of this is the one we've been building up to.
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  Speaker 1: So now I'm I heard, but I might have heard
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  Speaker 1: it not quite right, but so correct me. I heard
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  Speaker 1: you met Lauren Bushnell. I've never met her. We were
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  Speaker 1: in the same workout class, but we didn't. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if she like knew who I was. Obviously I
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  Speaker 1: know who she is, but it kind of worked out
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  Speaker 1: where like in the workout class, you're not really like
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  Speaker 1: you don't go around and introduce yourself to everybody, So
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  Speaker 1: there is never like a moment where I was like
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  Speaker 1: I should have said hey or anything like that. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: if we had like made eye contact her, there was
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  Speaker 1: a moment for me to have said hi. I would
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  Speaker 1: have been encouraged me too. Since we live in the
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  Speaker 1: same city. You know, you ever see her obviously say hey,
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  Speaker 1: and I would like to. She's super nice, and I
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  Speaker 1: think the good thing for both of you is you're
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  Speaker 1: both really happy. So I think, yes, it would it
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  Speaker 1: would be fine. But I can imagine being in that
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  Speaker 1: workout class and like what your body probably did you
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  Speaker 1: know that I caught like that adrenaline rush where like
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  Speaker 1: your whole body feels like what is cour think through
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  Speaker 1: my veins right now. I don't know if that happened
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  Speaker 1: to you. I think it was another moment kind of
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  Speaker 1: like seeing Ben tell them that he loved them on TV,
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  Speaker 1: where it's like I just wasn't expecting it at that time,
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  Speaker 1: Like it was a different class than I normally go
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  Speaker 1: to because I had been house sitting and all this stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and so I was already a little thrown off, and
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: then I just wasn't I didn't go there that day
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: thinking I was gonna, you know, see my boyfriend's x fiance.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's probably better too, because imagine if you
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  Speaker 1: knew then you would just have that anxiety build up
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  Speaker 1: to it. It's like, all right, just rip it off
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  Speaker 1: like a band aid. You've seen each other, you live
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  Speaker 1: in a small town together, You're gonna see each other,
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  Speaker 1: and it's okay. And I think you go back to
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  Speaker 1: that book where you're you're reminding yourself in this moment,
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  Speaker 1: everything's fine for me. I'm happy, and I should stay present.
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  Speaker 1: And the past led him to you m exactly. And
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: that's what we always te What me and Ben always
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  Speaker 1: talked about about the Bachelor and the fact that he
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  Speaker 1: was engaged, and even I've talked to his parents about it,
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  Speaker 1: is he would be the person that he is now
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  Speaker 1: if he hadn't gone through that, and I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he would be such a wonderful boyfriend to me if
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: he had never gone through that. And so I'm thankful
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  Speaker 1: for his experiences and even if it was painful or
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  Speaker 1: hard or all. I mean, it was all of those things,
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  Speaker 1: but it's made him the man that he is now
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  Speaker 1: and that I get to day and absolutely, and I
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: think the timing, because you know, obviously I know Ben
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  Speaker 1: very well, and I think the timing was exactly what
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  Speaker 1: it was supposed to be, where he really had that
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  Speaker 1: time to heal and be in the right place and
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: be ready. I think, look, we can just talk about it,
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: because why not. So I know Lauren gave an interview
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  Speaker 1: the other day and she's very happy, and I've met
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: her boyfriend many times and he is really really cool
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: and nice. So she's happy and you guys are happy,
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: and it's all working out how it's supposed to. But
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: she had given an interview something to the effective and
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  Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing she didn't know love true true love or
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: whatever words she used Eastern Will you pull up the
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  Speaker 1: article until Chris, And I think that sort of had
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: that same feeling to anybody reading it, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: that's probably the article that you're ant scent or your
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: friend over was your cousin. And I think that at
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: first it's hard to read because even when I read it,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, ouch, that could be hard for Ben.
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  Speaker 1: I think the exact quote was Chris has her whole heart.
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  Speaker 1: But when I come at it from her perspective, I
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  Speaker 1: also understand what she was saying because maybe that wasn't
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: right for her, and you can't falter. It doesn't mean
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: she didn't love him and he didn't love her, but
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: this is different what she has now and same for
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah, absolutely, And I think that a really
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: interesting question that comes with that is, you know, is
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: there just one person for everybody? And there might not
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  Speaker 1: be one person, but there's got to be a best person,
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  Speaker 1: and so maybe this is just like her best person
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  Speaker 1: and also so wonderful to have found. I think, going
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: back to this book, which I need to get a
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: copy of this book, there's also a best person for
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  Speaker 1: right now, and some people's right now could be eighty years,
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  Speaker 1: and some people's right now can be five years or
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  Speaker 1: one year or whatever it is for their journey. And
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: I hate to use the word journey like we're on
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor, But I do think that and we learn things,
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  Speaker 1: and I almost think if she would have said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Ben had my whole heart and now Chris does, we
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: all would have been like, that's so weird. So we
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: have to accept what she's saying and respect it. And
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: almost for you, it's like, maybe you're a little glad
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: that Ben didn't have her whole heart because maybe he
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: gets to have yours. Yeah, I mean that's the hope,
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: right exactly. All Right, Well, I feel like I've tortured
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  Speaker 1: you enough and let Ben come back on UM and
• 14:05
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• 14:19
  Speaker 1: you guys talked about. Amy, I hope, Uh you're kind
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: and Jessica have zero death that you were a sweet
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: as ever. You know. The craziest part really about this
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: show is that as you do move on into the
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: future relationships and to future connections, UM, you have to
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: watch back sometimes what your partner did. And Uh, it's
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: something that I know is not easy. Um, but it
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: is kind of I mean, for lack of a better term,
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: like the baggage that I bring the justinized relationship and
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: uh and she's accepted me for it and she uh
• 14:53
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• 14:55
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  Speaker 1: on the Almost from this podcast, Jessica is going to
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  Speaker 1: do her very first interview ever with Bachelor Nations. I'm
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: gonna say, uh favorite Bachelorette just because everybody loves her
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  Speaker 1: up and on the board, from productions to uh former
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  Speaker 1: cast member, She's been incredible to me. Trista Sutter is
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  Speaker 1: on the line. Trista, welcome back to the Almost in
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  Speaker 1: his podcast. Thanks Ben, that was a very sweet of you.
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  Speaker 1: Storry and I have a cold, so just bear with me.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Trista, I was like, you know,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: we're right. When I heard your voice is like, either
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: you're not very excited to talk to Jessica and I
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: or you there's something going on, because no, I definitely
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: have something going on, but I didn't not I wanted
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: to still talk to you guys, So thank you so
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: much for having me. I am super excited, especially because
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Jessica is here. That's so cool. I know I'm so
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: excited too. The you know, so I had the Tristan,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I want to warn you, um sometimes the Almost of
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: his podcast we have to pick up and record wherever
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: we're at in the world because exciting things are happening.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: And so, as you mentioned the beginning of the podcast,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I am sitting in the Indianapolis airport right now, So
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: if you hear some background noise or if a flight
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: is announced, just know that's why there's some noise. I
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: and Jessica's in studio and Nashville, so we're a part
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: but we're doing this together for the first time and
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: uh and trist I can't be more excited to have
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: you as our first guest. Let's jump right into it here. Um,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: just to everybody knows you. If anybody listen to this
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: podcast and they don't know who Trista Center is, I
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: don't know why you're listening. But just to give everybody
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: a little background, Trista was the first ever Bachelor act.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: She her final rose to Ryan Sutter. Uh and then,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: as we we saw on the reunion show, Tristan and
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Ryan's wedding was the very first televised wedding on ABC. UH.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: It was called The Bachelor at Tristan Ryan's Wedding and
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: they have now been married for fifteen years. Triston, I
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: know you get asked all the time. I know some
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: of these questions are just gonna be ones that you've
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: been asked before. But before I let Jessica kind of
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: jump in and get to know you a little bit better.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I've known you for a while and one of the
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: things I've always loved about you, and I mean this
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: in the best way, and I want you to try
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: to decipher what I'm saying is when I first met you.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: It was intimidating me because you're obviously Trista Sutter and
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Ryan I met you at breakfast. We've talked about that before,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: but you haven't made let this show change you. You're welcoming,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: You're warm, You're you're You're somebody that I could tell
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: that this is not your identity. How have you done
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that so well? I mean, did you intend to make
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: me cry? I think you're just on a lot of
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: nets for being right. UM. I'm getting ready to post
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: an Instagram post that that people can see, um, you
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: know after And it's really about UM. How when I
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: got the call for the Ring and special, I UM,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I kind of felt like you feel when you get
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: asked to the dance or whatever. You know, You're like, WHOA,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I'm being included? You know? UM? How cool is this?
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I get to be like with this great group? And
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: because that's not like where I go to I live
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: in UM a little bit of insecurity, UM a lot
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: of the time. And and it's strange I know to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: hear that because yes I was the first Bachelor at
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: and and yes I I should be included in the
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Bachelor at Reunion special. But I still to this day,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: just feel um this great honor and privileged to be
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: part of it because I am still in my mind
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: like the midwestern girl who was born in Indy and
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: you know, raised in St. Louis and and why me, why,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Like why do I deserve this? Like why do I
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: get to be part of something so special? And I
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I just am so thankful. I'm so grateful that, you know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I'm included in this group of women who are incredible,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: like they have gone on to do such great things,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and and I feel like a like a giddy school girl,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: like when I think of them, I'm totally totally fan girl.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't take that many pictures behind the scenes
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: because I didn't want to be that like old dinosaur
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: who is like following people around like a puppy dog
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: trying to get their picture because I'm such a fan,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I I I love
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: being part of this crazy family that we call Bachelor Nation,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and um uh, you know, like meeting people like you.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I've heard that before from people that I people are
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: intimidated by me for whatever reason, and in a way,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: it kind of breaks my heart because I don't want
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: people to be intimidated by me. I don't bite obviously,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: and you know I I try to be as loving
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: any kinds as possible. Um, that's not always the case,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: but um, you know, I hate that people are intimidated
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: by me because if they saw what I'm thinking on
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the other side, like when we met, I was the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: one that was intimidated of you been like you were
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: the guy you were going to be the Bachelor or
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: you were like the hot shot on whichever whoever Caitlin season.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: You know, like I I was the insecure old person,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Like I think of myself as the old girl. Like, yeah,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: people call me the o G, but o G to
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: me means old gal. So I have that insecurity and
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like that intimidation so like to hear it
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: coming from you, it's just, um, thank you for that.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I I know I rambled, but um, I just I
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: just feel so grateful to be part of all of
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: this and even talking to you guys today, it's like
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: just continuing the love. So anyway, well you definitely shouldn't
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: feel any of that. Last night, when I was watching
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor Union, my roommate, whenever you came on screen,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: my roommate was like WHOA, she's hot. I was like, yeah,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: it's amazing secret and you still got it. So so
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: here's the question. Then, with all that you just said,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I and I know that comes from a old place, right.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: And and jess just to give you a bad little background,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Jessica has been a fan of the show for a while,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: but she hasn't been like a die hard, right. She
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: doesn't watch the show as much as a lot, and
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: so she's missed some seasons along the way. Um, and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: you've said a couple of things in that last stament
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: that I want to dig into a bit. But it
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: felt like watching the reunion back, which I loved watching.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: By the way, I thought it was a really well
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: done reunion, which a lot of times, you know, The
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Bachelor doesn't do these great This one was a terrific one.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: It did feel like you had a lot of fangirls
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: in the room. Did it feel like it when you're
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: in the mansion together? Yeah? But like I said, like
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: that insecurity in my head, these demons in my head
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: like just they downplay it and they're like they tell me, oh,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: they're just faking it, or they you know, like they're
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: making this up just to just to make me feel better,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: um in a way. But I will say, you know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: like I connected completely with Rachel, who, um, you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: he kept saying great things like I'm just so intrigued
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: by Trister or whatever, and we really connected. I had
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: met a lot of the girls, um, a lot of
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the more recent girls like Rachel and Becca and Joe Joe. Uh,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: and it was it was just so it's so like
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: crazy to be part of something where I'm meeting people
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Like I've always said this about Ryan too. I never
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: would have met Ryan had it not done for the show.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I mean he lived in Colorado, I was all over
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the place, living at Miami and the time, and I
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: we never would have met. And the same thing goes
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: with all of the girls that I have met through Bachelorette, Um,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: even people who weren't the leaved like Ashley or you know,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: so many people who weren't the lead too, and I
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I just feel so grateful to to be able to
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: call them friends. Um, you know, anyone boys girls you included,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: then you know everybody. I'm sure you feel the same way.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: But um, you know, when I when I hear people
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: fan girling towards me, those demons come out, and I
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: just tried to I try to live in the moment
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: and accept it graciously, but I also in the back
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: of my mind and like, whatever, you don't deserve this,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: do you know what I'm saying, Like, it's it's hard
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: for me to take that in, but I am so
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: appreciative but of it. What was really interesting watching it
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: was how y'all just kept talking about not very many
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: people like understand what you've been through. And I think
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the more I've talked to Ben, the more I've learned
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: this experience is so wild. Um. And so that was
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: really cool to watch. But one of the things that
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I was wondering is what was something that we didn't
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: see on TV when you all all got together. Was
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: there anything like funny that you talked about or you
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: all realized you had in common or something like that. Uh, Well,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: one behind the scenes thing, uh And I'm that's kind
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: of my Instagram post too, is posting some behind the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: scenes pictures and video. But my daughter was able to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: be there, So I was actually on spring break with Blakesley,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: my daughter at the time. Like when I got the
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: call and I looked at my calendar, it was it
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: just so happened oddly enough. And I don't know if
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Bachelor producers because they they knew that I was going
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: on springbreak because of some things that we were We
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: had been talking about tickets to shows and stuff, and
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: they knew I was going to be there. Um. I
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: can't imagine that they planned it all around me, but
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: it just so happened that we ended up being in
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles at the exact same time. So the producers
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: let me bring Blakesley and she was backstage with me,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and she love I mean like she idolizes Caitlyn. She
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: loves Caitlin. Um, She's met a bunch of the girls
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and she got to meet all of them. So the
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: fact that I got to include her in this, in
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: this even though she's not um shown on air, the
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: fact that I got to include her and it was
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: really special, not the your daughter is how old at
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: this point? She's can? I mean? Is it? And I
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: have a couple of listener emails that I want to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: make sure to get to, but I really am interested.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: What is it like for her now to start like
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: conceptualizing the fact that her mom is a big deal,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: her dad is a big deal, like that you were
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: on TV, you met in TV. And then she shows
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: up to the mansion, like, has it started to thinking
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit that like you got this whole thing started,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and like she should be really exciting for you and
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: proud of you, you know what she um, she's starting
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to get it first. Sure, I mean obviously since they
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: were babies, Max and Blakesley, people come up to us, um,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: not on a daily basis by any means, but if
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: we're traveling or something and we're in an a report
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: um at the grocery store and there's you know, tourists
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: come in to hang out on the slips of ail. Um,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: they they'll ask us, you know, only can we get
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a picture. I'm a huge fan of the Bachelor of
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the Bachelotte, So they've heard those words bachelor and bachelorette
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: pretty much all their life, um or their lives, and
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: they definitely are getting it. It's really it's it's difficult
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: because we we want them to know their story. Of course,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: it's their story, um, just as much as it's mine
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: and Ryan's. But we also don't want uh, their ego
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: to be blown up, you know, like they're they're now
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: showing um the first season of The Bachelor, of the
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: first season of The Bachelotte, and our wedding on an
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: app called to be t U b I And so
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: people can tune in now, including my children, um and
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: their friends, you know, if they go on the t
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: B app, which I will try to avoid at all
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: costs for as long as possible, but um, I you
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: know they will be able to watch the show, whereas
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like back in the day, Ryan and I,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: because I mean, please, we watched it on VHS tapes
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: on a VC let's be real, So um, we thought
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: that once the show was over, it was over, you know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: we wouldn't be reliving it, and now that it's available,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: we're we're kind of reliving it, um and having to
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: think about the fact that our children will be watching this,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: whether it's with us on the couch where I kind
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: of want to like sit down with them and explain
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: kind of go through the show and what was happening whatever,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: and maybe skip the parts about me kissing other guys.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: You know, that's a little awkward watching your mom kiss
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: another boy before she was married to your dad. A
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: little awkward. But um, I also, UM know, I live
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: in the real world and I know that. I'm sure
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: they'll be on their computers or their iPads, um and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: snickering under the covers with their friends at what their
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: mom and dad are doing. You know. So we live
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: in the real world. We know that it's going to
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: be part of their lives. We just want to keep
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: them grounded as much as possible and not let it
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: go to their head. It's uh, it has to be
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: a little weird. I wonder that oftentimes. And um, before
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Trista you actually came on, Jessica was talking a lot
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: about how it was watching you know, even the reunion
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and seeing me with other women and how that felt
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: because she didn't see watch my season. And so I
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: imagine that even though it's different, because just gonna have
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: a romantic relationship, your kids are gonna feel very similar, right,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: some confusing like thoughts and weird, It's gonna feel awkward,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: but ut in the day, we live in the real
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: world and we know you know where life is now
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: and what matters now. Um, you know, Trista as and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: and obviously you know over and over again, Yeah, you
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: get asked about your family, and you get asked about
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: your relationship with Ryan and those things are are such
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: incredible examples of what we're all hoping for in Bachelor Nation.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna ask you for a second to kind
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: of step into the hosting seat with Jessica and I, UM,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: because I want to dive into this reunion a little bit.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: What a what a unique experience for all of you.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: But one of our listeners send us an email at Tristan,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping you can help us with it. It's from Caroline.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: It says Meredith and Gin. I've been a Bachelor fansince
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: the beginning. I'm super excited for the Bachelorte reunion show.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: But why don't they address at all why Meredith and
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Jin are left out? Will they? Everyone keeps posting your
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: union picture and in so many comments people ask, but
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: they don't answer it. Can Bob Guinea or Andrew or
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Trista get them to come? I hope they do. Now
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: obviously we don't see them on the reunion. Can you
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: give us any insight to why they weren't there? What
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I have been told and I don't know. Um, I
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: don't know what really happened because I wasn't involved in
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: booking them or whatever. Obviously, UM and I've lost touch
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: with them. I mean I used to be friends with them. Um,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: we used to we used to talk, and we used
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: to go to like the Difference, um, like the After
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: the Final Roads ceremonies and whatever. So I've definitely had
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: a relationship with them back then, but have lost touch.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: And I just think that it was a scheduling conflicts.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I just don't think they could be there. And it's
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard, as you know, it's difficult to
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: get any people together for anything. Um, everyone has their
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: own lives that they're going through, their own schedules, their
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: own companies, their own businesses, their own families, you know,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: all of that, and it's really difficult to get anyone together.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: So the fact that they got I think it's thirteen
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: of us together is a miracle, super impressive. Yeah, So
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I think I honestly think it was just a scheduling conflict.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. I wondered obviously it was kind of
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you know in all honestly just that I was I
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: saw last night, you know, there have been fifteen seasons
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: or Hannah Bey is the fifteen Bachelorette, and I was like,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: but there's only what twelve of you there and I
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: didn't mean I looked back through. Yeah. Um, so it's
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: it's pretty shocking. Um, Scott, I know that you've had
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a lot to process after watching the reunion. Uh is
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: there anything that kind of stood out to you watching
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: this back that you'd want to pick Trista's mind about. Actually,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I think the biggest question I had for Tristo was
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: more like the wedding on TV, because I'm feeling there's
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: been a lot of bachelorettes and or not a lot,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: but more bachelorettes, but your wedding was the very first one.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: And whenever I was watching last night and they showed
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: y'all's kiss and it was y'all had like the cutest
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: kiss ever at your wedding. First of all, I hadn't
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: seen that before. But what was it like to be
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: married on TV? Was that kind of weird or where
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: you just use your relationship or what? You know what
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Our relationship had started on television with cameras following this.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: So yes, it is a very strange thing to think
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: about in the real world, but for us it wasn't
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: necessarily abnormal because that's how we met, That's how our
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: relationships started, is with you know, a crew following us around. Uh,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: it's crazy, but it's the truth. So UM. I mean,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: for me, I was the kind of girls who dreamt
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: about my wedding since I was little. And to have
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: people like Mindy Weiss and Mark's Garden and bade La Mishka,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: um sorry, Bagela Mishka and to Corey and all these
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: like really well known wedding experts to be working with us, um,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: and then to have I can't even remember how many
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: flowers there were. There was like twenty thousand flowers or
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: something like that. And I wore I had diamonds on
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: my shoes like. It was not what I at all envisioned.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I was living the fairy tale for my wedding, that
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: is for sure, um. And I wanted my family to
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: be part of that fairy tale. So you know. Um,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: there were some ups and downs and it wasn't always
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: uh roses and unicorns, um, but it was it was
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: a beautiful day. They actually the production did a really
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: great job of hiding the cameras so that the guests
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: didn't feel like it was an intrusion. Um. They did
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: a really good job of that. So UM we were
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: able to you know, take over an entire resort in
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Palm Springs. It's now there as Carlton, but it was
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Rancho Mirage back in the day, and we took over
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the whole thing and it was just a weekend full
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: of family and friends. It was my favorite weekend. I mean,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I had Brad Paisley singing a song that Ryan wrote
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: me as a poem, like that's not normal, like it
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I don't get that, that is my life. Yeah, it was,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so simple. Um. Well. I also one
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: other question I had was just if you had any
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: advice for Hannah as she enters into this role now,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: since I mean, you did it first, and obviously you
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: did it well, since you're still married to who you picked,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: So did you have any advice for her? You know what.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I've obviously been asked this a lot over the years, Um,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: and it's hard for me because I feel like if
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the people are where they are, then they probably have
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: a really good support system and a good head on
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: their shoulders and they'll be able to uh hopefully quote
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: unquote succeed in their relationships. But um, for me, it's
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: just all about really enjoying the moment because it is
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime opportunity. UM, also getting as
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: much sleep as possible, and um being grateful for uh,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the path that they're on, for being given the opportunity
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: to um be the bachelor, be the bachelor, you know,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: anyone who is the lead. That's That's pretty much the
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: advice I gave. Oh, and then just kind of after
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: it's over, take it all in and do the award
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: shows and do all the things, you know, all the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: fun things, but try to get away from it as
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: much as possible and try to focus on your relationship
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: and try to prioritize it because that has been what
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: has allowed Ryan and I to stay married, I feel
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: like for for fifteen years so far is because we
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: kind of got away from it all and we not disappeared,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: but we came to Vail to live a more quiet
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: life and really focus on each other. So UM, I
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: just feel like if there's any way that people can
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: do that, it might look different, um in different relationships.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: It will look different in different relationships, but for us
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: that really helps so that those with people little pieces
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: of advice I'd give. I would listen to Trista Sutter
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: give me advice on anything at any point. Trista, Um,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: we're gonna let you go. I really appreciate you being
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: our first guest of the podcast today. Also, thank you
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: for being Batchination's first bachelorette. There's a thousand more things
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I would love to talk to you about, and I'm
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: sure we'll have to bring you back on to do that,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: but for now, Trista, continue to be amazing. Thanks for
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: being a great guide for all of us. And please
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: please don't be a stranger of the podcast. Thanks guys,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for having nice to meet you. Jessica.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Nice Trysta. Okay, bye, just bye. If next on the podcast, Jessica,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: We've got another one of bachel Nation's favorites, Dianna Poppas Stagliano.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, this podcast is full of amazing women today.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Not only do I get to do this podcast with Jessica,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: which is a dream of mine. Actually you are missed,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: but Jessica, you're terrific. We've had Trista on the podcast,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: and up next is another one of our favorites, Dianna Stagliano.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: She was Season four of the Bachelorette. How do we
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: know you, Diana? Oh my gosh, um, you know me?
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Probably from the Bachelor before the Bachelorette, because I was
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: what everyone thought Brad Almack was going to choose, and
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: then he decided not to choose anyone. I I know
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Jessica has a lot of questions lined up because after
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: watching the reunion, she was a big fan of years.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: After kind of hearing your stories, she was super intrigued.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: But before I let Jessica loose, I want to just
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: dig in a little bit here to a couple of
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: these things. So why did everybody think, first off, Brad
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Wilmack was going to choose you. I think because he
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: told everyone he was going to choose me. I mean,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: that would be a good set for the confusion. You know,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: uh what happened, especially like me, like the camera shut
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: off and Brad he never he never said, hey, I'm
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: going to pick you, but he said everything, but like
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna ditch you in the end, you know what
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like they let me stay the night with
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Brat before the finale taped, and I'll never forget this
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: because I was so confused, Like I spend the night
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: with him off camera and no one around. So it's
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: not like somebody was like, hey, Brad to go to
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: cannilect you like her. Like, we just chilled at his
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: house and watched TV and hung out and it was
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: like totally normal, and I was like, all right, cool,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: this could work. And then I'll never forget that day.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: He walked me out to the car and he was like, Okay,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow and I said, oh, don't remind me,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and he kissed me and he said, don't worry, it's
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: going to be a good day now. Then I don't
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: know about you, but that would not leave me to leave.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: He was not going to choose me. I mean, I've
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: made some really bad decisions, are like really like harmful,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: unwise decisions during this thing, but I never The one
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: thing I did to do is say you're definitely gonna
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: get chosen. Yeah, that would feel like and then hey,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: don't worry to Mars. Gonna be a good day because
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: there's so much stress around, I imagine such a confusing deal. Yes,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: So I you know what I I That like haunted
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: me forever and I've never gotten a clear answer out
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: of Brad. We stayed in touch for a really long time,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: and we stayed friends for a really long time, even
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: up until like the day Stephen and I got married,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: and I finally was like, you have to stop texting
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: me and calling me, like let it go. Um, But
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I just I've never got a clear answer as to
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: what exactly happened or what made him flip switch, you know. Um.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: But I took that into the bachelorrette thinking I'm never
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: going to do that to someone, Like I realized there's
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: an aspect of this show that you have to leave
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: people on which just sucks. You know, It's just awful,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: and that is so beyond me and my character. But
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I literally the whole time, I was like, I'm not
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: gonna do what Brad did to me. I Am not
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: going to allow someone to feel that kind of pain
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: and confusion like it. It's like Royally messed me up
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: for quite a while. I would imagine, I would definitely imagine. Okay,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: before I send this over to Jessica, I have one
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: last question now, and I'm sorry because I know that
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: you're married to an amazing person and Stephen, you guys
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: are happy you have children, but I have to ask
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: them brag question. You saw him do the show twice
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: two questions of that. Then do you think it was
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: was a weird for you to watch him do it twice?
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Or was it weird to see him back in the
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: world again? And then the second is do you think
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: today he still deals with that being a piece of
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: his identity? The Bachelor that has done it twice? You
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: know if you do it once? Like for me, the
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Bachelor is a huge piece of my story and I
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: appreciate it and I have been great for me, but
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: it is not my identity. It is not It is
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: not the thing that defines me. Do you think Brad's
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: has to deal with that? So I think? Okay, so
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: two questions here, right? So the first one, um, where
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: was the first one? And now I forgot to watch
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: him on TV? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, So I'll
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: tell you it wasn't weird to watch him back on
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: TV because at that point I was already engaged to Steven,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: so I really could care less. But you know the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: parts that were weird was that, um, Emily, who he chose,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: who I adore, who I like, love, love lovel of her.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: She and I could not look more physically different from
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: one another, you know what I'm saying. So to think
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: like I was the girl that he liked, and now
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: he's choosing something to fleete the opposite, Like sometimes I wondered,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: just Brad know who he is or what he wants
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: in a partner, you know. And then the other part
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: that I found really weird is that I cannot tell
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: you how many times in private conversations that Brad was like,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I will never ever live this down. I will never
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: do it again. I cannot wait to like high tail
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: it and run as far from the Bachelor as I
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: possibly can. So I was blown away when I found
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: out he was doing the show again, so much that
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: they brought myself and Jenny the other the other young
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: lady that he didn't choose at the time. They brought
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: us into film, but they called us about a week
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: ahead of time and hey, okay, the secret brat, but
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: we need to bring you guys in for a special
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, hung out, phone texted Brad
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: and I was like, what the f are you doing?
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: And so that like that blew me away because he
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: just made such a stink about how he could not
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: like he could not like a racist from his past
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: fast enough, like he was like, but it was just awful,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Like I don't ever want to do this again, blah
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: blah blah. So I was that was a part where
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I was like shocked to see that he was doing
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor again. Now, you know, I don't know. Maybe
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: they paid him a lot of money, maybe he had
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: a bar needed to promote, you know, everybody has their
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: own things. I don't really know, or maybe he's only ready.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I have no clue, but I was really blown away
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: by that. And so the other part is that I
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: think we all run with with that that the Bachelor
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: or the Bachelorette is a part of her past and
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: people always know us from that, Like I will always
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: be known as that little hill billy girls from Noon
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and Georgia who became the bachelorette, and half the people
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: from my like childhood did not even know my name
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: was Bianna. They only knew me as deed and they
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: were like, who's Anna, Like what is this? You know?
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: So I think it's the same thing as for Brad
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: is that it will always be a part of his
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: past and hopefully he finds some joy and peace in
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: that now. But I also have to like, you know,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: he's a cool man, and he comes from a great family,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: and he owned bars he's a businessman, like I don't
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: imagine when he's sitting down to take a business meeting,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, you're bradman bachelor, so we'll do it.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: I imagine they're like, you're Brad the successful bar owner
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: who lives in Austin, Texas. You know, so I bet
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: you there's probably a part of him. And he's like, Okay,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: this is a part of my past. But I guarantee
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: he doesn't ever leave with that. Yeah, you know. It's
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: it's so interesting to kind of hear those and and
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Brad has always been an interesting person to meet, just
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: because he did choose to do it twice and he
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like the guy that I would do that.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: So hey, step over to you now, Jessica, you're a
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: big fan watching your union back dive deep dive in.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, seen it, Jessica, you saw it? Yes,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I watched it. That's so funny, little yeah that don't
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I care about. It was so cute. They show your
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: kids and your cute little family. And I know you're
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: dying because Austin kept looking at the camera guys going
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: oh I farted, and I'm like, dude, please for two
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: seconds They didn't show that, but I wish they did
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: because that would have been really cute. Um. But what
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: was really interesting to me is that you didn't meet
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: your husband on the show, but the show kind of
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: led you to meeting your husband. Can you like get
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: into that a little bit more, because I feel like
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: so comfortable right now with your Southern accent. You're from me, right,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I'm from Nashville, You're from Georgia. I love it. I'm
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: from but I lived in Nashville for five years. I
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: bar attended on Broadway for five years throughout college no
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Way Wait, which is about twenty minutes south of the
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: city of Atlanta. So, um, I am pretty close to Auburn,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: but I am not an Auburn fan's Mike parents still
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: live in Dunwoodie and I'm from Marietta. Technically, it's so funny. Yeah,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I was born Um anyways, Yes, so you didn't meet
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: your husband on the show, but the show helped you
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: meet him. Yeah, so okay. So I had never seen
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: the show before I was on it, and then after
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: my season air, the very first season of the show
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: that I ever watched was Jillian Harris's season. I had
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: never really seen it play from beginning to end, and
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: so I watched the show and I saw Michael on
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the show, and I watched it all the way until hometown,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: and you know, it was so funny. I saw that
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: he was an identical twin. But I had just come
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: off like Brad season and then doing my old season,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, I cannot with another set of twins.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I can't even go there. But I saw Michael and
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, he's so fun He's funny, he's like charismatic.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: And then when they showed his family on the hometown date,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I loved them and
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I don't even know them. So I was like fan
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: girling so hard because I knew I needed to be
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: a part of the Staglianos. So I guess, like in
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: the hindsight look looking back at all, it was kind
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: of creepy, but then it also made me see, Um,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I mean for me, I mean, I'm a Christian, so
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I like to look back, I on enjoy in the
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Lord's plan that that's where I was meant to be. Um.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I just like loved Michael. I loved his family,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: and so I really wanted to meet Michael, and I
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, maybe we could date and no,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: it's is so funny. Is Michael felt the same way.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: He wanted to meet me and he wanted to date me.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: But we met. They were in town filming their mental
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: all for Jillian Harris's season, and we met at a bar.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I was hanging out with Jason and Molly. Um. So
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: weird how this bachelors family is so incestral. What don't
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: you think ben weird and stol but awesome family. So um. Anyway,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I met Michael and probably like three minutes after talking
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: to Michael, I was like, holy corupt, this is never
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: gonna work. He was like, way too much for me,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: like and seen it up dating a friend of mine
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: at the time for several years, and so probably like
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: six months into their relationship, he was like, Hey, you
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: know what, you're pretty cool. I've got this brother who
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: looks a lot like me, and I think you guys
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: might hit it off. Was like, yeah, awesome, twin, super hot,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: really smart. Yeah, I'll take him. That sounds great. And
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: within like a week of of knowing Stephen and dating him,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I was like, I wasn't in love yet, but it
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: does feel weird because it was like on the Bachelor timeline,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: but I was just like, this dude's awesome, Like I
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: will not be okay if he is not in my
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: life like forever, you know, And I've realized for someone
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: who is not in love or hasn't you know, met
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: their person or whatever, that is Like that sounds so stupid,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: but it's not. I just knew I didn't love him yet,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: but I just knew like I was not going to
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: be okay if I didn't spend the rest of my
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: life with him, Like I would never be okay, I
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: would never be good enough. And he's just awesome. He's
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: just like good solid man and he's funny and he's
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: you know, he's really great. And you got the last
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: name stag Lean, which is awesome hap for like a
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: brown No way, I hadn't like you needed to be
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: in stag Lean. Addison and Austin cannot figure out how
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: to say the last name. They're like, it's Stagnano and
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well that the u um the the question
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: I have now And this was your and Jess and
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I've been able to talk about a little bit here
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: for our relationship. You know, you go from being the
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: bachelor or the bachelor, and everybody knows you as a
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: single person on the pursuit of love and if it
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: works or doesn't work for you, everybody isn't interested in
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: your story, your relation to your romantic story. And then
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: you meet Steven and everything kind of speeds up. Right.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: You didn't you didn't really sit I don't know how
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: else to say this, but you didn't sit in the
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: singleness very long and experience, you know, the attention that
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: you get from that, and you didn't get to go
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: go kind of explore the world after the show, and
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: you're kind of heartbroken, but you're figuring out and everybody
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: knows you and love and all that stuff. You met
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Stephen and and my buddy said this best when I
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: met Jack because I called him up. His name's Corey
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: is a good friend of mine, and I want to
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: hear if you relate in what you think of this.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: He goes, I said, Corey, I met this girl. She's incredible,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: like she's she's somebody I want to invest my life into.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: But it's scary for me because my identity has been
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: being single, Like I'm known for being single, the victim
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: of heartbreak and all these people know that, I said,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: And he said, then like the crazy part is like
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: this next chapter of life for you, uh is going
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: to be different, Like it might not be as exciting
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: and may not be as sporadic, but I can guarantee
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: you if she is the one, it's gonna be a
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: lot more fulfilling. And so you know, just with that
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: one went into like that is so much more feeling.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I want to hear what you think of that, because
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: you jumped right into it. Well, I mean kind of
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: are you know? The way you know there's been better
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: than anyone is that when things lay out in the
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: press or on television, stuff might have happened several months ago.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: So when like Jesse and I broke up, God bless me,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: what was I thinking? Goodness gracious, But when we broke up,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: that played out kind of delayed, so like we already
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: knew that our relationship, or at least I did. Maybe
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: he was blindsided. I'm not really sure, but there's no
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: way he thought he was in spent the rest of
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: his life with me, for sure. We like hated each other. Um,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: when that was when that was going down, when we
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: were breaking up, like we have been unhappy for several months.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: It was just a matter of pulling the plug. And
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: I think with Jesse if the if the plug was pulled,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: it was the only dollar signs he was going to
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: lose that on, you know. But for me, like that
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: was the rest of my life and I couldn't imagine
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: spending the rest of my life with someone like that.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: When we broke up and it all played out in
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: the media, I was over it by that point, so
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: it kind of looked like I moved on pretty quickly,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: but I didn't really. I was single for over a year,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: over a year and a half, and I dated and
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: some people who were like nobody, you know, which was
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: great for me because it made me feel normal again.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: And then some people you know that have some sort
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: of like claim to like whatever TV or whatever. Um.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: But I do feel like your situation is a little
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: different from mine because there was no social media when
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I was on the show, so I didn't have like
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Papa us following me around and seeing who I was dating.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: So there's a blessing in that because I could go
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: out and do whatever I want, or I could go
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: on a date because smashes want was and no one
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: was following me around and taking pictures and posting all
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: over Instagram. I didn't have to live through that, So
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's where our stories are a little
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: bit different because I didn't feel the pressure of all
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: of that. Um, I got to live my life when
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I got to travel the world and I got to
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: do four tours to Iraq and Afghanistan to visit the troops,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and I got to do a ton of things that
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I feel like all of that prepared me to meet
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Stephen because when I did. Your phone is right, it
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: is a different kind of story. Like maybe there's not
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: that excitement of being single, but you know what, there's
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: the excitement of like signing someone and there's nothing better
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: than that. Like I didn't have to be anybody that
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I wasn't. With Stephen, he appreciated me for who I was.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: He didn't treat me like I was the bachelorette. It's
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: funny because our first date, he was like really nervous
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: because he was like, I don't know I pick her
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: up in a helicopter, Like I don't have any money
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: for a limos, you know, Like he was like, where
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: do I take her to Chili's or do I have
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: to spend my whole paycheck on this other restaurant at all.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I don't care about things like that. I don't care
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: what kind of car he drives. I don't care about
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: where he takes me to dinner. Like I wanted to
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: fine quality in a person, and I wanted to I
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: wanted to be loved, you know, And I think at
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, that's something that we as
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: humans crave. We want to be loved. And so I
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: just loved that about Stephen, that he was normal. He
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: did not pretend to be someone that he wasn't. He was,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: you know, as a fool teacher who didn't make a
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: lot of money, and he didn't pretend to not be
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: that person. He was a man who loved the Lord,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and he didn't pretend to not be that person. And
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: he loved me for who I was. I didn't have
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: to be anything different. I didn't have to um to
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: act any different. I didn't have to act like I
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: was this girl who was on this television show and
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: now here I am selling like innate bartending in the
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Hollywood while I go on auditions day to day, like
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: it was just my life was a mess. Um so
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like I understand what you are saying, but
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: it was to me exciting in a different way because
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I found peace and knowing who I was. And I
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: feel like, you know, the older I have gotten and
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: um and become and then in my marriage and having
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: kids and becoming a mother, I am more secure in
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: myself and as myself and as a person than I
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: ever was at twenty six walking into the Bachelor mansion.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: That was one of the questions that they asked us
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: when we filmed, and I'm pretty sure they probably asked
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: all of the women, but I remember standing there, and
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: you know, the producers said, why are you different this
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: time around walking into the house, And I said, when
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: I walked into here ten years ago, almost eleven years ago,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I was naive and I was young, and I was
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: desperate to be loved and I don't care who did that.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: And I said, and I walk in here today and
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I'm a confident woman. I am. I know who I am,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: and I am proud of who I am, and I'm
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: proud of where I am, and I'm proud of my
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: children as the life that I have created for myself.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: And you know what, it's interesting to walk back into
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: the house the second time around, and not need it.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I needed it when I was twenty six, and I
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: didn't need I don't need it now, you know what
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's kind of it's kind of a weird
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: emotionally described. So I think that you will find that
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: too with with Jess, you know, like it's so nice
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: to be like with someone who is normal, you know,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: And Okay, and we'll keep exciting. We will, we will exciting.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: And yes, I would say Jess as normal most of
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, like most of the time. Let's be honest. Well, um,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: so what are you doing now? I know that you
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: just filmed this reunion and you've got your cute little
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: kiddos and your husband, and what do you do? Do
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: you have any free time or is that most of
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: your time? Are you not a summer I do not
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: have a lot of free time time. I feel like
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: a place that I'm in right now. I wear like
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: twenty seven hats, but I'm super happy doing it. But
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: most of the time, on the inside, it feels like
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: pure chaos to me. Um, I am a mom. I
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: like love being home with my kids and being able
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: to love them, and I have a real job that
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I work, and then on the side, I have created
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: this web series with a very good friend of mine
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: called Moms and Cars. And I don't know if you guys,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: I just I can't remember how old you are. But
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: like back in the day, we watched t G I
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: f like Friday and Night No, And did you ever
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: see the show step by Step? Yes? I have seen
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: that show. Okay, So Christine Laken played Al on Step
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: by Step and we became friends ten years ago. On
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: my first tour to Iraq, I was like a huge
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: fan of hers and I did not know this, but
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: she's be a huge fan of mine. She's been obsessed
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: with The Bachelor from day one. And so the second
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: we sat down on the plane, we're on this like
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: we're on this like C seventeen and we're in like
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: kevlars and we've got all this body gear on and
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: we're going over like in the middle of Baghdad, and
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: she's like, all right, so listen, I like love the Bachelorette.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I have about ten questions and I need to ask you.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: And it was like love at first sight for the
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: two of us. So, um, she is a mom and
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: she has two kids, and we have been friends every since.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: And we just started doing this funny thing on social
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: media a couple of years ago where we just like
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: did weird mom stuff in our car, like because you
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: don't see a whole month time and so we would
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: just like sit in her car and read books or
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: play on our phone, or eat pizza without our kids
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: begging first slice, you know. And we just started putting
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: it on social media and I was kind of like,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: you know, it's something a pretty funny show. We should
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: we should roughly, but she was like, yeah, who all
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: do it? And so we have this web series called
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Moms and Cars and we just do the dumb stuff
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: that mom's do in their car to find piece of
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: quiet away from their family and get a little bit
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: of alone time. So we've had a lot of funny
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: guests in the car, and most recently Ali Satowski was
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: in the car and we did we planned a fantasy
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: suite for Christine and her husband in the trunk of
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: her very small suv. And so I cannot wait to
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: put that out there because it's funny, but it just
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I have found so much joy in parenthood and being
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: a mom, and I think that there is you know,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of really awesome things about being a parent,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: But I also feel like I'm really real about it too.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: How do people watch your that web series? They can
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: find everything on Instagram. We are at Moms and Cars. Yeah,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: we didn't want people to have to go to Facebook
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: to find a video or do YouTube. We wanted everybody
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: to be able to come to one platform and find everything.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: So we put all of our full link videos on
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Instagram TV, and then just some of the dumb stuff
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: that Christine and I do, we just put it right
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: on our feed, you know. And it can be anything
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: from like picking a nap in the car to like
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: binge eating our kids Halloween candy, you know. But we
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: just wanted everything to live in one space so that
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: people weren't hunting around trying to find it. That they
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: can find it all on Instagram at Moms and Cars,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: And it's just a lot of fun. It's a lot
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: of fun, But I feel like there's a real part
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: about being a parent. It's exhausting and it is tiring,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: and you are pouring into these children all day long
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: because they need it, and at the end of the
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: day you're wiped. Man, Like there's no there's no like
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: glorious bit of that that is like always super fun.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: The best thing I love in life right now, and
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: I think there's a huge market for it, and I
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: just think it's really needed. Is authentic, genuine entertainment, and
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Dana exactly what it is. We'll make sure to check
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: it out. Hey, Uh, we have to get going, and
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I know you do as well because you are a
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: mom and you've got a lot of things going on. Uh, Jana,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I would love to have you back on the podcast
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: soon to talk about all these little things that you're doing,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: and also a yes, we do all right. Well I'm
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. Let me come in and sit in
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: with you guys, please do We would love that. I
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: would love that, dude, I can at least like put
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: some makeup on and get dressed for the day. I
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: would feel really good about mything. Else anything else. We're
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: pretty strong with ath leisure around here, so it's fine. Yanna,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: thanks a lot, appreciate you. Hey, thank you so much. Ben,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: I'm super happy for you and Jess. Thanks to lot, guys.
• 1:00:26
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  Speaker 1: Famous to thirty thirty thirty Caroline. Hello, it's Amy, Ben
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: and Ashley's producer and crazily Ben. How are you so? Ben?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Just jumped on a plane, and so because he can't
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: do times, because he can't do time zones, he thought
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: his flight was later, but it's right now, and Ashley's
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: off this week. So you're really talking to me and
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Ben's girlfriend Jessica Clark. Hey, Caroline, Alright, So it's a
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: really really um exciting because we have none of our
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: hosts here, but we're just making it work and you
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: can call me back later if you need me too,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: But I'm totally happy to hang out and talk to you you. No,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: we want to, we want to, we want to do
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: it now. And so I'll just say that Caroline is
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: one of my favorites because Caroline is a salty gal
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: and I love a salty gal who's not afraid to
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: say what she thinks and pop off when it's necessary.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: And and even though maybe some Instagram commenters might not
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: love it, deep down inside, we're all saying, yeah, I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: pretty much think exactly what she's saying. So can you
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: explain for people listening who might not remember, explain what
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: your Bachelor season was and then how you ended up
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: on Bachelor in Paradise, Australia. Okay, so I don't First
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: of all, I don't know whether to be offended. But
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: also I kind of like nod in my head is
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: like yeah, okay with the salty thinks, I'm like, I
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: don't I was like all salty. I don't know if
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: that's the how salty is, but I think a complimented word,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: and I am salty, and I have to deal with
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of people saying I hate you. But then
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's okay because well, the thing for me
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: is is like I just am who I am, and
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say whatever I'm gonna say. And sometimes
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: I say too much and sometimes I I'm I just
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: like I just don't know how to filter it, Like
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: I can't keep it all straight. Like I just I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: just say whatever whatever I'm thinking, and some people hate
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: me for it, and some people think I'm like obnoxious
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: an extra but they're right and I am so I'm
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: too old. But how y'all young kids use the word extra,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: So does extra mean? Like what does it mean? Um?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: I just like I'm just I'm just a very like excited,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: over the top person sometimes. Um and like I just
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, I don't know how to like
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: reel it in. Just what Jess is young too. What
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: does extra mean for old people listening? I think actually
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like I have over the top. So yeah,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: on Saturday I posted like a video on my Instagram
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: story of this and it just said extra on it
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: because my friend had on oversized heart shaped sunglasses with
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: her designer bag and she was like lip sinking in
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: the car and like literally just over the top, like
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I've never seen. It doesn't even have to be like
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: designer or whatever. It's just that you are. Just you say,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: you're all kinds of extra right now? Would that would
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: that work if I said it, you're all kinds of
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: extra right now? Um? Hang on, I'm not, I'm Urban
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: Dictionary it let me see. Yeah, I think it would
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: just like to hint, like do you what are you doing?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: That's extra? You know it's the Urban Dictionary says over
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: the top, excessive dramatic behavior, way too much, the way
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: too much. Yeah, I'm like okay, So then they go
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: back to it, how do we know you? And then
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: how did you get to Australia? Um, so you know
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: me from ari season of The Bachelor, but um, you
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: probably don't know me from there because I was not
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: there very long. Um, I don't really care for Ari,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: and like you kind of get in there, and you
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: get in there and you're hoping that you're gonna have
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: this great connection with the person, and it takes a
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: while through you like actually spend time with that person
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: and get to know them. And I got to a
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: point where I'm like, yeah, like this isn't this isn't
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: gonna be like my guy, Like this isn't him. And
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: then I went home. But I think I'm better known
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: for being honestly like a gal pal like Becca and
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: TIA's like friend. Honestly, I feel like I kind of
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: knew you from the Women Tell All. I feel like
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: you sort of stood out maybe at the Women Tell All.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Well yeah so, and everyone thinks I was the most
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: extra at that, but and I was. But the thing
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: with that is that Ari had fussed over my friend
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: and everyone was like, oh my gosh, like you did
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: not need to like say that or do that. And
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: they're like if your girlfriend gets over by a guy
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: and you know about it, and the public didn't know,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: like and they wouldn't know what had happened, because like
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: a lot happens actually like in real life behind closed
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: doors and off camera that like people don't see and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: I knew and I had seen it, and so for
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: me when the producers gave me, like the producers literally
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: were like one of my producers came in my room.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: I think she goes, We're gonna let you say something, TORII,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, yes, like at that moment, like
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: if you want to confront the bad guy and have
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: that like you know why moment, like you're gonna go
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: for it. And I went for it, and it is
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: what it is. So see, that doesn't sound extra to me.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: That sounds just like being a loyal friend, Like any
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: of my friends would do that too, if I if
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: a guy had mistreated me. Yeah, so I don't. I
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: don't really care that people want to call me extra.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: But like I honestly, it's not that it was scripted,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: but I had a script of what like I was
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: allowed to say, like because I I wanted to say
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: I wanted to call him out, but I wasn't allowed
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: to obviously say too much and spoil the ending. So
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: like I had planned what I was going to say
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: to him the whole time, like you know what I mean, Like,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: so I knew what was going to be said so,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: and then I also got the flu in the middle
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: of the tell All, so like I looked like I
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: was crying. I just was. I I had a flu.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: So it's a little known fact that there was a
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: tell All I can't remember for who where Chris Harrison
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: had to keep going back to his dressing room and
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: throwing up. He was so yeah, and they had to
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: keep taking breaks. He was so sick, had like the
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: worst flu, but fought through it but had to keep
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: like going back. Okay, I'm learning there's a lot of
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: like vomiting that happens on this show. I'm not that
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: he actually like fully vomited, but I know he was
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: very very ill, and I'll ask him if he actually
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: did vomit. Okay, well, like they had a tapeworm. Yeah,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: that's last night. Yes, Ben had a tapeworm his entire season.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Jess can explain more. But yeah, he was like ill
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: the whole season. Yeah, so whenever we were in Honduras,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: he was like because he got his tapeworm in Honduras,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: whenever he swam in the water. And so we went
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: to wherever like we thought that he had gotten it from,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: and everyone was like, who's going to jump in, but
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: no one did, and Ben was in a bubble the
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: entire time you guys were there because he was traumatized. Um,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: that's funny you say that, because I think it was
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: either Becca or Tilla. They joked the whole time that
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: they thought they had a tape worm. I think it
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: was Becca, but like the whole time, like we were
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: on The Bachelor, she was just like, oh, my tapeworm,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: and I just was like, oh, no, wait, do you
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: actually have one? Th Like, like I think Ben had
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: a stomach ache his entire season. Basically, it's it's emotionally exhausting,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: and I was only there for a month. So like
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: the people who are there the whole time and actually
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: are like really in the thick of it. I don't
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: know how you do it because you are running on
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: minimal sleep. So like you get, if you're lucky, like
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: four hours of sleep of a night, like and I
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: need more than that would not work for me, Nope. Yeah. So,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: like you come home really late from your dates and
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: then they make you do interviews and then they kind
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: of I feel like they want you to be tired
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: and they want you to be like super cranky and irritable.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Because that's where they get the good ship from you,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: because your guard is down and you're tired, and like
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: you'll just say all the bit things and you're I
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: just feel like it's like this. Really, they're really good
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: at creating this environment where you you are just like
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: I don't care, I don't know. I'm tired and I
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: want to sleep. You know, wonder people act a little
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: um for lack of a better word, nuts because they
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: don't have any sleep. Well, I think that they do
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: it on purpose because they know that pat what it
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: gets us to be like nuts, Like, I think that
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: they know how to play on our human necessities and
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: all that happened to use it against us. But uh so, yeah,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: so anyway, how did you end up in Australia? Yeah,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: this is wild alright the Bachelor in Australia. Neither did I,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: and then so I went on the Badchelom Paradise US
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: and I didn't like it just because again lack of sleep.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Mexico was hot as balls, Like it's so hot, there's
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: no air conditioning, there's no fans, there's like it's just
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: too much is happening. Like I would take like a
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: cold shower, like every day, Like I just kept the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: water on ice cold and it still wasn't enough to
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: cool you down. And then I obviously came into Paradise
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: and I was really awkward and I didn't know what
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: I was doing and I just was like it was
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: a very really I like I want to say embarrassing,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: but like it is what it is, Like I just
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: didn't I wasn't cool when I walked into Paradise. I
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: had zero game, and I like to remember that who
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: did you date there? Did you go on any dates?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: I went on a date with Venmo John and then
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: we just met him. He s a nice guy, like nice, yeah,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: but the thing is is like he like wasn't my
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: person and um yeah, and the thing is I knew
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: it and then um, so then he went on a
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: date with Jubilee. And Jubilee actually um is from Fort
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Lauderdale where I live now, and she had gone on
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: a date date with like or something along those lines
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: with my ex boyfriend who like like was like the
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: guy that like I really loved, you know, you used
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: some exs and your lengman or whatever, so she like
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: dated him like right after him and I broke up,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: and the girls like my top bunk in Paradise, Like
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: what are the odds that my two worlds are going
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: to collide like this in this very small, strange little
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: way like that, Like I don't really know how that happens,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: but it does. The universe is telling you something. I'm
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: just not sure what. I'm not sure either, but like
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: it was just like this thing in there, like up cool,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: like yeah, this is so fun, like of all the things,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: like she's my top bunk in paradise. Did it didn't
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: because I didn't want to make it a thing like, um,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: I respect my X like too much, like he my
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: X as a hockey player and so like I didn't
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: want to put his name out there. I didn't want
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: to have him be like I didn't want there to
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what drama could go down. So it
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: wasn't like no, she knew, she knew exactly who I was, yeah,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: and she she like thought that there was some weird
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: like overlap with us or something, and I just I'm like, no, no, no,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: we were we were broken up like yeah, so m
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: hmm yep, And I just was like I just want
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: to go home, like yeah, And that one was not
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: for me so I was like, you know what, I
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Paradise is not in the cards for me. That's not
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: something I would ever do again, unless that there was
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: someone on there who I was like, oh my god,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: like I really like this person and I want to
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: shoot my shot, unless it was in Australia. But so
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: then the Aussie lady reaches out to me, and all
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: my old rules are out the window. Because have you
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: ever seen the Hemsworth brothers, Like they are like by
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: Like William Hemsworth is like in my top five, Like
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: he's probably like someone when someone says like, what's your
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: dream man, I'm I'm I'm along the lines of William Hemsworth.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: So I mean, are there's these, are these There's gonna
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: be a paradise keep a million William Hemsworth Like, um,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: I'm in. And of course I get all the way
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: there and I end up with the Americans, so like whatever,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: that's hilarious. Wait, so do they usually have Americans in
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Australia or is this like anything? They're China. So they
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: had Grant who was an American and actually I think
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Jared Um like Ashley and Jared's you know what I mean,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Like Jared, but he didn't last last year, right, right,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: he did it last year. Um, he's very much engaged
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: as you guys know this year. So um. So we
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: have an email from Stephanie and she says, I was
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: wondering if you guys have been watching B I P Australia.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: So this is how we learned about this. And if
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: you saw that Alex from Rachel's season and Caroline from
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: ri season have seemed to make a connection, please discuss.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: So we're bringing this right to you, Stephanie. So Caroline
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: discuss And who's Alex? All right? So Alex bordacause um
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: is are some people call Russian? Alex was Yes Rachel's
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: season of the he's really good buddies with Dean, Yes,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: yeah he is, and and uh like Peter and well
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: if I forget, but yeah, he's dark hair for people
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: that are getting their memories refreshed and can't google quickly enough,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: he has dark hair and he is super tight with me.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Has like, as the obvious call it, he's like a
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: rig or like he's got like a rig or something.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know the whole Audie terms. I'm still feeling
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: like a dumb American, but like basically he is all
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: of these things that are a rig to know. He
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: like his body is in fame, and I feel like
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: that's what most people know him as, this like the
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: gorgeous chiseled demigod. Yeah, so what can you tell us?
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: What's happening? And what can you tell us? Um? So,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, Paradise happened, and I get all the way
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: to Paradise and I took Um. The thing that's crazy
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: about Bachelor in Paradise Australia is they have like an
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: they had their old bachelor on the show, and I
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: really like the way that they kind of the people
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: that they bring in the way that they do it,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: and then the fact that they have like imports come in.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: But they had a bachelor who was on Bachelor in
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Paradise and his like girl that he chose and was
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: engaged to or whatever they were, like they both were
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: in Paradise. Imagine that. Like so that's literally like having
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Vanessa Grimaldi and Nick File like go to Paradise together
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: like wild like so there was that whole drama and stuff.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: So I took that guy on a date. Turned out
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: he Um was already with like coupled up with somebody else.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: So that was super fun. And let's cut to the chim.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Can you tell us if you and Alex are still talking?
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: Alex and I, um, we didn't go into the commitment
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: ceremony that they have. We just chose to leave Paradise
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: together like early, like it didn't feel natural for us
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: to have a commitment ceremony. And then like a week
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: later he came down to Florida and you know, we
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: we dated a little bit. You know, I took him
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: on a one on one date and finally, because he'd
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: never been on one, so I like, I called my
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: producer and I would like, help me make a cute,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: cheeky date card. And I took him snort, lying, and
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: I like got got tea sick and he threw up
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: over the boat. All people just a bunch of that.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: This was off camera. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that was
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: real life date. But like I made a date card
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: in real life, you know, to make it to kind
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: of go along. It's a team of us stupid. So
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: he dated for a little while and then he came
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: back to Massachusetts and like met my family and like
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: had my birthday and like New Year's in Boston with
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: me and my family and then so like I struggle
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: with really bad depression and anxiety and it got really
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: bad there for a little while, and um I got
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: to a point where like I just like really need
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: to like work on myself, and um, you know what
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I mean. Like sometimes like you're like I'm not in
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: a place to be in a relationship and I just
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: just like having all this anxiety. And he like said
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: to me one day on the phone, He's like, yeah,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: like you know, I don't really know. Uh. He's like like,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: do you see this like turning into like a real relationship.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: And I honestly like like it kind of caught me
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: off guard just come out with that, Like it was
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: very direct. He's a very very direct with the Russian
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: in him. He was very directing. Yeah, Like I just
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: like I don't know if I see is like turning
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: into a real relationship. I'm like, oh my god, like
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: me neither. And I had this like weight like lifted
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: off my chest. Is the opposite of what a lot
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: of women feel, but it's good for you. Well, like yeah,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: I mean I think like so many times women we
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: like we really want relationships to work, and we like
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: push at it, push out and like really try and
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: try and try to make something work. But at the
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: end of the day, it's like sometimes like and on
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: paper like everything like he's a great guy, like super awesome,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: but um it's sometimes it's just it's not all the
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: way there. And I have nothing but like love and
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: respect and everything for Alex, but like he's not my person.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: And we realized that and it was really weird because
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: we had this conversation where we realized that it wasn't
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: going to move forward and be something um like super
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: like serious, and it's like it gets it's it's weird
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: because you have this moment where you're like, now what
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: And we just kept talking to each other, and we
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: kept seeing each other and kept hanging out, and like
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: he even came to Florida, um like after the fact,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: and it's just it's weird. It's like a weird thing.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Would you say your friends now or do you feel
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: like maybe the timing you never know? No, no, no no,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: we're just friends and like just like it sounds like
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: you just appreciate each other as people and you want
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: to keep each other in y'all's lives, but it doesn't
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: have to be romantic and quickly before you know, when
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: you acknowledge this didn't help the anxiety. Yeah, yeah, Like
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: the thing is is like sometimes like you just need
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: to like you know, I think there's so much pressure.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just me myself whatever, but
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: like especially as like a woman in her late twenties,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: like oh, you like have to like sign somebody, like
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: every my sister's engaged unless someone like everyone's like, oh,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: like your time will come, don't worry, and I'm like,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: excuse me, shut up, and then like I know, like
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: I know my time will come. But like I think
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: there's something so important and powerful about remembering that, like
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: it's okay to like take some time for yourself and
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: to be alone, Like you don't always need to be
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: in a relationship. Like like I can call Alex like
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: if I'm having like anxiety tech or if I need
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: someone to talk to, and like he'll be there, but
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: like as a friend and like he's just like he's
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: just like an awesome person. And sometimes like it's okay
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: just to like respect people and for like the chapter
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: that they were in your book, but it's okay that
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: they're not the whole thing. Yeah, I think what you're
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: saying is so true, and I think, Um, you don't
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: have to put every relationship in like a category or
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: a box that people create. It can be something that's
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: totally unique or different. And if he helps with your
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: anxiety or it even helps you lower the anxiety to
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: a I'm not ready for this, I can't do this, Yeah,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: I think that's really um And it's so it's so
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: wild because I think, like who I am, Like I'm
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, let me like work at this, like
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: it'll like things will get better and you keep pushing
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: at something. And then he brought it up to me
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: like yeah, like I just don't know if I see
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: this like turney into relationship and I can't even begin
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: to tell you, like the weight that was lifted, And
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: it's so wild to be like that's okay, Like you
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: don't have to have every relationship be your husband, Like
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be that way. And then also
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: every breakup doesn't need to be ugly, and I think
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: that that's so important for us all to remember and
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: just like having like a healthy relationship where you respect
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: and appreciate what it was in your life. It's like
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: your body and your subconscious knew something that hadn't gotten
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: to your brain yet, Like your brain was still kind
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: of like, oh, I think I need this relationship and
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: I want this to work. I'm gonna try to make
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: this work, but your body was giving you all this
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: anxiety and stress and whatever to say hey, maybe not
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: or maybe not right now. It's so funny because like
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: I tweeted something and I was like, hey, guys, like sorry,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: like I need a minute. Like I'm like I was
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: really outsent for social media for a bit and I'm
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: like I need a minute. Like I'm going through a thing.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: And all the people who like had like caught onto
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: Alex and BENI. I'm like, oh my god, he dumped her,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: and like they're like, I'm like I can see you
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: guys tweeting and writing about this ship, but like all right,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: but and I'm like it's so funny how people just
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: assume certain tweets have to do with like Bachelor of
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Life or about a boyfriend or about dating, and I'm like,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: not everything has to be about like the Bachelor or
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: about dating. It's like the thing that I was going
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: through was that I suffered extreme anxiety. And it's like
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: for me sometimes like I'm just happy if I like
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: literally get up and brush my teeth that day, Like
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They're like, you're not alone, Caroline.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: That's something I want you to know. Like, and this
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: this interview took a turn because we thought it was
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: going to go in a different direction, but like, which
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: is a good thing. You're not alone. And I think
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  Speaker 1: if you kind of have that moment where you just say,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: I might not have the perfect boyfriend or the perfect job,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: or the perfect this or the perfect that, but I
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: feel okay right now, and you know, that is really
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: important and I think people listening can relate to it.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: And I don't mean to jump on a side topic,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: but if people want to reach out to Benn and
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: Ashley about this, we would love to hear from you.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: And their email is what is their email? East and
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Benn and Ashley at I heart radio dot com, Benn
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: and Ashley at I heart radio dot com. Because it
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: is a really important thing. And I think, you know,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: good for you to acknowledge anxiety and all that. It's
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: been the best that's honestly been one of the best
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: things for me has been talking about it. And um,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: not I'm being extra or like I want attention. But
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: like the thing is when I talk about it, it's
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: like helps me like heal a little bit. And also
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: it feel like I feel like whenever I talk about it,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: it gives like I've been given this gitch of like
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: a cool like I have a platform here and I'm
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: able to talk about this. And when I hear like
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: people like Selena Gomez like talk about her anxiety and
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: the things that she went through, it made me feel
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: like I wasn't alone. So if I can talk about
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: it and be that voice and like use my platforms
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: to maybe like make one person feel better, Like I
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: just feel like that was like the reason that God
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: gave me like this. I think so too platforms talking
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: about it takes the power away from it, which I
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: think is oh totally. It is really powerful. You know,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: when you talk about it, it lessens it. So keep
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: talking about it, and we would love to have you
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: back to talk about it more. I had no idea. Uh,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: and the something else really smiff I want to talk about.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: So um if people want to um watch Bachelor in Paradise,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: there's a huge um thing that happens on the show
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: with one of the guys he was super super possessive,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: and I just again like to use this platform and
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: voice to kind of shed some light on some things.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: Um and this is Bathel in Paradise, Australia, Australia. Yeah,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: so from episode like I think it's like episode like six, seven, eight,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: maybe even like nine something along those lines, there's this
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: guy a Van who was like obsessed with my friend Tamil,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: and Tamil is like a ten I get it, like
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: she's like I get wanting to be obsessed with her.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: She's she's a smoke show. But um, yeah, he presented
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: some really really unhealthy possessive behavior, and I think it's
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: really important for women and and men to go and
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: watch the way that he handle himself in the way
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: that he acted, because we oftentimes like don't realize how
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: bad something is in the moment because you're like, oh,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: but like they're a good guy, like you don't mean
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: it like that, but they present all these terrible toxic
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: masculinity kind of behaviors and we get trapped in a
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: really really unhealthy relationship. So just I mean a lot
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: of states can watch b I P Australia, So there's
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: like a bunch of like illegal like ways to watch
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: it here. But allegedly she didn't say that. We don't
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: condone that. We don't condone no, but so there's something
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: that I found. It is really hard to watch here,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: but so self henvy TV so s O U T
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: H h E M I TV dot com was the
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: best way for me to have everybody watch it. Okay, um,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: but I that's how I shared it with my followers. Okay,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: that's great. I think it pops up on my um
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: like smart TV sometimes that there is a way to
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: watch it because I think when Sophie Monk was the Bachelorette,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: we were able to watch it here. So we'll we'll
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: kind of do some googling to figure out how to
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: watch it too. Yeah. Sorry, I wish I had, Like
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: it was really hard. Um, Like I don't even know
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: how to watch my own show. Like this is weird.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: Now people are figuring it out because we're getting a
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: lot of emails about you. So hang in there and
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: we really appreciate you sharing your story. Sorry you mamatic,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: but I just yes, that's the that's the deal. Like
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: Alex and I posted about our little parting of ways. Um,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: but like him and I are. We still like send
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: each other memes and like, you know, we're fine like
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: and um, you know, nothing but love and respect for
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: each other. And that's that. Well, Caroline, thanks for sharing
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: your story and we'll be in touch and talk again soon. Yeah,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: thank you, talk to you. Have a good one too.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: They're kicking Jess out of the studio. Well it'll be
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: just me, So Jess go and then I'll say goodbye
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: to everybody. You're the best, all right, Thanks for being
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: so open with everybody too, Jess. You're the best, of course,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: of course. And one week time today, one week from today, Bachelorette,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: and Jess is going to have to watch every episode.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, maybe I'll start my own recap show. Hey,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: don't compete with us. You can come on here is okay,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: talk to you soon. I'll see you soon, see you okay, bye,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: so Easter. Hey, Amy, we have no Ben, we have
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: no Ashley, we have no Jess, we have no bachelor
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: celebrities of any any kind. I think you and I
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: are pretty bod bachelor's celebrities. At I've been Amy, and
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: I've been East, and I've been been Hey, it's been here.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: I just called back into the podcast because I listened
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: back to the segment with Amy and Jessica, and I
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: just want to reiterate how proud I am of my girlfriend,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: jess and and also from the almost famous podcast and
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: all of the listeners out there, and Amy and Easton
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: and Mark and myself and Tori and you know and
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: everybody works on the podcast and Ashley. Jessica, thank you. Um.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: This is a weird world and we've talked about it
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: many times, and I think today's podcast really did highlight
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: how odd it is when you date somebody post Bachelor.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: It's not easy, um, but I want to believe that
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: builds a character in the strength in the relationship that
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: will last long time. So Jessica, thank you. Thank you
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: for answering the hard questions. Thank you for being open
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: and honest and vulnerable with our listeners. That's why they
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: listen and that's why they want to be a part
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: of this. Jessica. I want to bring you back on soon.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: But from the bottom of my heart, thank you, thank you,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: thank you. UM. Also thank you to Amy for filling
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: in as I jumped on a fight back to Denver
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: and as mentioned before, this week was the start of
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: the next Bachelor at season. It's gonna be a master season.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: I'm still pumped for Hannah be uh. This is gonna
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: be something the season to remember. Also, I want to
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: tease a little conversation well up next week. The last
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: three days of my life and I'm still recovering, so
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not ready to talk about it yet. I've been
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: in a play and the musical Greece back in Maryon,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: Indiana with a foundation called c Essay. It was for
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: my cousin jor Year. I have so many stories, so
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: many crazy experiences in the last three days. I cannot
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: wait to tell you all about. Make sure you tune
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: in next week to breakdown Hannah's first episode Road and
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: my time as Bence Fontaine. Yeah been Fontaine on Greece. Anyways, Hey,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: I'm out of here. Like I said, I've been been
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: and thanks for listening once again to Almost First podcast.
• 1:32:14
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