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The Good Circle: Indiana Jones and the Great Circle & Alan Wake 2 · Multiple Nerdgasm

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  this week I was both excited and then disappointed by the developer direct and the indie
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  game welcome to multiple
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  nerdgasm with your hosts Matt Luke and Dan multiple
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  nerdgasm your guide to All Things
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  nerdy straight into it straight into it I excited I was looking forward to it
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  they announced we're going to see footage for it and in my head I was
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  thinking like an Uncharted Tomb Raider
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  SL type of game third person yeah same
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  no at least Tomb Raider right you expect to at least look as good as Tomb Raider
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  yeah Indie with big tits Tomb Raider is based on Indiana Jones ripped off from
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  you might say and yet this looks more like Wolfenstein
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  well I mean it's made by the guys in May Wolfenstein and I was like watching it I
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  kept reminding myself I'm like those games are very good but you don't have a
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  whip in those games yeah the whip looks dumb the whip looks dumb and here's I'm
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  gonna have to play it to to know yeah and I will play this because there's did
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  did we tell did we say we're talking about the Indiana Jones game I'm not
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  even sure you said it Indie I'm assuming okay Indiana Jones great circle yeah
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  they we're going to call it indana Jones in a pretty good Circle and then they're
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  like no [ __ ] it let's go all in it's a great circle um Harrison Ford not doing the
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  voice but someone who sounds a bit like him iser tro yeah which I could sort of
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  understand like Harrison out like yeah he's pry he has no interest in any of
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  this no he was never G but he went Baker very interested in this extremely
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  interested does a better job I think than um the voice over
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  for fate of Atlantis sure although the fate of Atlantis voice
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  gets a pass because I'm used to it anyway like yes I found I was watching
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  this trailer listening very carefully trying to pick apart the voice like not
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  on purpose but waiting for him to he does a good job drop it a bit but he
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  does a pretty good job yeah Well's I mean he's a professional he's um Booker
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  from um BioShock Infinite and and a billion other
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  gam and yeah's yeah he's cool dude I don't know
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  like not really because it's a puzzle game but also not so it's going to be
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  this whole thing like you can decide how to do the mission you get stealthy yeah
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  it was honestly I was like into it until it showed the combat and then I was like
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  oh no until it showed the whipping yeah the whipping looks dumb the whipping
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  went into the like just punching in first person and I was like no I don't
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  want I fight or to Traverse those are the bits I skip in fate of Atlantis was
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  the punching bits that's right yeah not interested and you can choose in fate of
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  is it fate of Atlantis or is it the other one where you can choose to not
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  have any combat and just have puzzles or yeah fate of Atlantis has three branches
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  where you can choose like basically was it wits fists or
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  teamwork fist or dick yeah and you just [ __ ] your way
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  yeah that's implied that's implied well we don't have that long to wait which is
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  good it's coming out this year that's what you like is when they just announce
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  it we get it yes yeah they're saying they not saying pre-order but they are
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  saying wish list um it's this year which is good um it's coming straight the game
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  pass so a lot about this interests me it
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  could still be good story good it's got Nazis again which we've
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  established is the only way Indie works is if there's Nazis as the bad guy
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  Russian work Russians don't work um I mean they could they just but they
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  didn't yeah um it's got that kind of connection between what
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  it looks like the connection between pyramids and Cairo versus pyramids in
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  Peru and all that stuff which is interesting that's in the mure of Indie
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  it's set between Um Zack McCracken set between the
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  movies between the Last Crusade yes yeah
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  right because that's the last one so they couldn't set it after that because
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  literally nothing happens after that that's right nothing We'll Never Last
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  Crusade no no we know what happened he had to go back and be that night that's
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  right that Knight would have gone to his house the next day being like excuse me
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  you have to do the thing now I drank it and then I did the thing for a thousand
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  years you thought destroying my house was going to get you out of it it hasn't
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  yeah yeah by the way the first thing you might want to do is rebild that [ __ ]
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  Temple put all those cups back on the Shelf bring that broom you're going to need
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  it and get thaty [ __ ] out of my Chasm yeah yeah she's still down there I can
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  hear her uh what do you think Indie looks like
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  how do you how do you feel about BET's face because I can't decide if I like it
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  or not it's bit belly it honestly just depends on the on the shot yeah it's
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  fine it's just yeah I mean it's a video game I guess yeah I'm just hoping that
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  the tone of the game is serious enough that I
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  can get into it and Overlook these things like serious like
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  Raiders not unserious like Crystal Skull
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  you know yeah so I um I watched it
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  yesterday and then just today I said to Jenna oh can I show you something a
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  trailer real quick and I put it on and it started and she was like oh
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  interesting until it came up with um
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  produced by Todd Howard and then she oh
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  [ __ ] and then because Jordan's up here as well she goes what what's problem she
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  go he did
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  Skyrim one of the greatest games ever yeah she hates Bethesda
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  games but this is just distributed by Bethesda right this is It's machine
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  games yeah the yeah it's really machine games that yeah yeah so the Wolfenstein
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  but then Todd Howard talks up how he came up with the story yes in the he literally
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  says story for Indiana Jones and like who can I have make this for me he was
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  the one that ped at the stuff but then also he is Todd
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  Howard yeah say this a lot of the a lot
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  of the trailers that we saw in the last you know 24 hours were IND dispersed
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  with a lot of interview footage devs and and and and artists and things like that
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  I find that less and less interesting as Game Dev companies become more and more
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  corporatized do you know what I mean like this is no longer
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  Romero and and um and you know John like carpenter
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  carpenter John karmak sitting around in t-shirts going [ __ ] what can we do
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  this is like a boss and employees talking about their job that's how I got
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  disillusioned when I was gonna make game well that's why I went to I went to UNI
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  to to learn and then like during that period it became more like this
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  yeah yeah I don't get to be creative well
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  [ __ ] it then I don't care yeah yeah I'd rather play games and we've talked for
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  it's come full circle now because you can make indie games but I think
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  uh just before we I mean there plenty more to say about this stuff but I just
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  need to interject for a second just talk about um Alan Wake
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  to man you need to put this on the top of the list yeah there's some did I put
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  this in here there's some Allan Wake news in a way I don't think I did put it
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  in here but it's actually it's related to another one but yeah it's that good
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  is it it is amazing I kept telling you all both and got up to the level which
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  is the one where I went you guys need to play this yeah there was a there was a
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  bit where he said you you'll know it now it was kind of foreshadowed by something
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  else that happened um outside of the
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  game yes which I think was all almost a
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  spoiler yeah the game awards yeah yeah and I've seen it now too
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  because I purposely didn't want to watch it before I played it in the game and
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  there's no spoilers per se but it's just what a sequence man what a [ __ ] and
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  it goes on and on and on like so good so
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  good the the the bizarre humor of this
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  universe yeah like jxap POS with the she
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  darkness of it all is just it just Taps right into my my my heart both sides of
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  the story you've got the FBI agent you got Ellen wake and both of them the
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  story just keeps getting better and better for both and it's not one you
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  sort of focus on you want to see I'm finally up to the point now where I can
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  switch between at wheel yeah and so because I now I'm finally like Oh The
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  Shoe Box is is finally useful now like I can put things in there for the other
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  person to use um which I haven't done but that is that is
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  how that works right Luke I can no no I can't do that
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  okay okay talking about so um The Shoe Box does come a bit useful a bit later
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  especially with the FBI because okay but stuff Alan puts in that only he can use
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  and stuff she puts in their only [ __ ] they have different okay I'm not sure
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  about he but they've got different weapons you know what's yeah of course
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  you know what's funny too though is that like in the early parts of the game no
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  spoilers she she goes into the woods looking for Clues right at one point you
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  find a shotgun and you're like cool I'm keeping this and you use it she comes
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  back out and her partner's there like right let's get back in the car back
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  back to town it's like in real life wouldn't you be like did you have that
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  shotgun before you went in there like no I just found it like is
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  that evidence should we book that no I'm just going to use it I'm just going to
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  shoot with it who's that registered to yeah you you went looking for a murderer
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  and you found a gun mate you you can't shoot anybody with that random shotgun
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  you found in the I've been shoo not at people but at like ghosting
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  things for the last 10 minutes while you're up here doing
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  what I'll explain in the car the you're not getting in my car give me the
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  shotgun yeah so I've got my uh I've got my g-cloud back there I could crack it
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  on uh play some Allen wake you should and and that's that's
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  it's Alan that single-handedly made me decide to pull the trigger on my own
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  cloud device which is coming couple of days um because I don't ever want to not
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  be playing it and I'm going to be very disappointed when it's over but are you
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  remedy's in a little bit of legal trouble
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  no oh yes that's they they've changed their logo now to be like an r and
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  Rockstar have come out and come on they always had an R it just didn't look that
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  much like an R like they look nothing alike except for the fact they both have an
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  R so like remedy predate Rockstar oh no no not really but Rockstar didn't they
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  publish early remedy games uh
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  yes Rockstar published Max P oh yeah you're right from the second one onwards
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  and I think they still own Max p 3 they owned Max P verbatim they own they when
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  when they got Rockstar to publish it they had to sign away IP so
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  rock rockstar can do what they want with it now which is why three was so
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  about Max they are remastering Max ban games yes oh they're coming out
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  soon just like we so but I'm I'm still playing it on the on the Game Boy
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  Advance which I'm really enjoying actually well update on the g-cloud I
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  have removed the factory you know thing on the screen I peeled that off and put
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  a proper screen protector on it's officially yours now I'm keeping it
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  yeah definitely keeping it now we always were keeping it like
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  it like I said I just I didn't know when I bought it how much I was going to love
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  it but I actually at home sat in the living room and played Resident Evil 2
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  because I just forgot I play it on a big screen on Xbox I'm just I'm just used to
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  it now so now how it's a seven inch screen yes yes yeah so that's that's
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  decent enough for Tex seven inches is quite big oh yeah yeah
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  there's nothing to be ashamed of Luke absolutely nothing I mean I'll say some
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  Xbox stuff and actually when I loaded up uh balers gate um in Nvidia GeForce now
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  I was like oh okay I have to adjust some stuff because it was a little bit small
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  small yeah yeah but but I mean it's bigger than but you could you could make
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  enough adjustments that oh yeah it's bigger than a switch it's bigger than I
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  mean it's bigger than any handheld console I've ever seen I think it's
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  bigger than the steam deck screen Okay so what what's uh so what you what did you
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  get we I know probably get yeah yeah yeah I mean I can't really talk about it
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  much I haven't haven't got yet but I bought I bought the absolute which is spelled
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  axy loot yeah
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  yeah and uh for the simple reasons that gcloud is not available in Australia it
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  would cost me a grand to get one over um and I basically I watched
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  every review on YouTube of every cloud handheld in about a 48 hour period and
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  and then narrowed it down to this so yeah excited I don't know why
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  we're getting a bit screwed over with some of the stuff now for a while we
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  quite well stuff releasing like in
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  Australia don't have this especially this because but when you said that you
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  had it Matt actually I seen it kind of pop up a little bit in the weeks before
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  um not that it's brand new it's been out for at least a year right but it's um
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  yeah I played one at PAX East last year briefly like they had a booth and I
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  tried it out and I was like oh that's quite good actually but people are
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  liking it like people are basically saying because I read one review that tell me
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  if this is true Matt or if it's not so obviously if you're if you've just got
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  to say the Xbox or the PlayStation app and you're streaming from your
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  PlayStation you you that's that's just how that works right yeah if you didn't
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  have a PlayStation but you subscribed on this to the
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  PlayStation version of Game Pass can you play games through the cloud without
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  owning a PlayStation I've never tried the PlayStation thing I should because I
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  I actually have a PlayStation 5 and I could do it and I could test that theory
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  I don't know I know with the Xbox Xbox Cloud you could do that but you wouldn't
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  be able to play all of your games yeah no but you'd only be able to play the
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  games that areil on Xbox Cloud for example res but you could do it without
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  ever having bought an Xbox correct yeah but like Resident Evil 2 is not
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  available on Xbox Cloud if I didn't have an Xbox could run it on at home and stream
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  it to me I wouldn't be able to play that you wouldn't be able to play it it is
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  the future it is where they're going but it's just not on yeah and same with with
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  um GeForce now which I have on there as well not everything is available on
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  GeForce now like if you want to play on the you have to get generally it's Steam
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  games and some other platforms but not much and there was a game I was
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  interested in today actually I forget what it's called something Syndicate
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  it's like looks a bit like disco alium but it's only on Windows and it's not
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  available on GeForce now it's definitely not available on that thing so I was
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  like well forget it yeah so just to be clear though when you your gForce games
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  that you were playing on your Mac through gForce you're not streaming from your
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  Mac just you're just straight to the cloud Nvidia yeah yeah Nvidia service
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  and again not all of so not all of the games I can play on my Mac I could play
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  on this thing because they've got to have controller support too like for
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  example there are games I can't think of an example top my head but Boulders gate
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  has UHS yeah because it's on Xbox and
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  Playstation of course yeah it's quite different in fact when I loaded it up I
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  was like oh [ __ ] all right it's very it's it's very different but good like
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  it's well thought through the way that they changed them but yeah I want these
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  radial me uh radial menus instead of like on the Mac I just click you know
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  like to open my inventory I hit I and my inventory opens you can't do that on a
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  console so you have to come up with different thing for everything it seems
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  very high fantasy compared to something like Skyrim which feels a little bit
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  more medieval is that fair to say more elves and stuff oh yeah yeah oh yeah
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  definitely yeah yeah lots of differentes of creatures and things ands and demons
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  and you you you go to like a hell Dimension and stuff like more more t
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  five minutes is loving way way more yeah's playing it quite a lot but I I I
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  like the game if you want it to be I would played
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  but this is a game you need to commit to it's not a game you can log on and then
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  I'll come back and play now 3 weeks time because you're not going to remember
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  what you're doing what the buttons were it's just it's so clever the way that
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  like if you want to take it like really seriously then it can be a very serious
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  game but if you just like you know we've played Dungeons and Dragons that is
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  that's D and D though right yeah exactly if you want to if you do stupid stuff
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  it's with you on I I I told you that story about The Gnome on the windmill
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  and all that kind of stuff where if you turn the wind up it just cuts to this
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  wide shot into the distance and then you get this journal entry up there it says
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  The Gnome has died like it's so good
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  amazing U speaking of high fantasy I started reading a book I've got to make
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  a slight confession um I I've actually
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  never read Lord of the Rings right I had it read to me as a child and I've always
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  kind of thought that counted it doesn't really read it to you yeah yeah I um but
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  my I I started reading it properly uh
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  this week uh it's it's very it's quite good um I think so
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  ring the thing is though it's too long and it's very
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  long-winded and if I was an editor I would be like this could be one book
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  mate like you you've said what this
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  scene is about and they're still talking all of this is it's also like it's
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  sporadically long-winded too because there are some parts where he's just
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  like get straight to business and then there other parts where he's just like
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  we're [ __ ] around in Rivendell and I'm GNA write a lot of words about it
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  like yeah everyone's just chatting now and they're now they're singing another
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  song but the thing is to I also feel it's two different books do you skip the songs
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  there's okay so I'm listening to it on audio book it's being read by yes it's
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  being read by Andy Circus who's good because he does all the voices and I
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  think he does each Hobbit in the accent of the actor who played it in the film
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  so he's doing the Scottish accent for um uh Mary and he's doing the like the
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  Welsh West country accent for um Sam and all of this
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  uh he does sing all the songs but I find anytime it's about Hobbits it's light
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  and fluffy and not very interesting and then suddenly it's like tolken is
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  bipolar and then suddenly he gets all depressed and starts going [ __ ]
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  wraiths and [ __ ] black and saon and [ __ ] it's a completely different tone
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  all of a sudden wasn't he on drugs I don't think so he's very old man
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  and he was like a Oxford Professor I think he was so he's a drunk
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  maybe or so was talking oh that's true oh guess was everybody back then I think
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  they were best mates those two actually yes best
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  mates yeah two best mates in the room Anything Could Happen you have that Meme
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  yeah you seen that remember that talk and
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  and such a specific
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  audience oh Matt just ejaculated
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  yeah I've frozen haven't I back it with an absolutely fantastic yeah Frozen
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  moment okay you were very excited you're still in does it mean where it's like
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  you know am I am I Frozen we can hear you yeah but we can hear you so let it
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  go oh [ __ ] oh there's a lot of that going on in my house right
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  now a lot of Frozen not a lot of letting it
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  go not a lot of me singing Let It Go there's a there's a meme where there
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  like you know two best friends in a room you know like you know like your your
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  boy and your girl best friend in high school and it's like get left alone and
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  they start making it or whatever I think that's what the joke is but then
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  sure at think that ever happen to no that happened to me far less than
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  Hollywood movies would suggest one of the one of the kids was
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  kept saying it about Jared and Justin and everyone was like they're Brothers
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  it's not two best friends and also
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  why yeah why would what what why would
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  no never mind no no no it's just just like do you two just start
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  making two best friends in a room yeah yeah and it's like no no no that's not
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  appropriate in this circumstance the internet always wants to put people into a
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  relationship this um actress that I worked with in
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  Singapore nurel she's one she's probably the she's like a pop star as well and
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  she's like one of the most famous Singaporean celebs name droing now
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  aren't we twin brother it's not that exciting she's got a twin brother who um
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  is also extremely famous in the band and he's also an actor but they constantly
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  get tried and to be cast as a couple and they're like we're brother and sister
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  and they're like yeah but the two hottest you know stars in the and
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  they're like we're brother and sister yeah we're not going to play a
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  ever and it's not even like you could even go that like that they're like
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  distant cousins or something don't brother and sister it's not a yeah
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  yeah yeah I've never made out with my cousin like if it was distant cousin L I've
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  never made out with your cousins
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  either I'm not going to admit that I have oo not on the
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  show no definitely on the show um so yeah stay stay tuned for my
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  review of Lord of the Rings you know
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  2023 franchise is gonna take off at all Dan starts to read a
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  book first one I also started WR Dan starts a book and then I was like well now you got to
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  ask me what my book's about I'm like no no I'm not starting writing a book I'm
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  starting to read a book well and also you don't actually I assume you will one
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  day though that's the thing I assume about you is I'm I'm actually writing
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  what I'm calling a practice book at the moment because uh I I started a few yeah
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  I've wanted to write a book for ages and I started I started one a couple of
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  years ago quite seriously and I've got the entire thing mapped out but I just
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  cannot write the damn thing like I just can't write the words right um so I
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  thought well let me just let me just come up with something dumb and see if I
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  could just write you know 60,000 words of just some dumb story I come up with
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  and not be hard on myself like not be like this has to be publishable but just
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  see if I can actually write it so I'm currently 10,000 words into
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  that see my problem is I I I've started and I have sitting there the beginnings
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  of books I can't decide what type of
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  writer I want I'm G to be am I gonna be funny or am I going to be very serious
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  science fiction or is it going to be like a murder mystery like I think
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  you've just question this needs to be a very serious but occasionally extremely
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  funny science fiction murder mystery that's probably the answer write this
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  the [ __ ] down I would read the [ __ ] out of that I didn't need to write it down
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  it's it's recorded it's all there no Matt you do need to write it
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  down that's the only thing that's stopping this from being a book is that
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  you haven't written down no no no I'll just I'll just slowly reveal the book on
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  this podcast and then we'll be that's also fine too that's how that's how all
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  the great books used to be serialized true I started watching something
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  actually I started watching a couple of things but I'll just tell you about one
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  really quickly um I started watching something because it was described to me
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  as science fiction and it's not I've seen the whole first season now and I
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  would say it's more Dark Fantasy than science fiction but have you guys heard of the
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  changeling I've heard of it I don't actually recall what it is it's very
• 26:53
  disturbing it's quite dark it's kind of
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  set New York City it's about a a guy who meets
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  silly only in summertime um it's uh
• 27:08
  there's a a guy marries this girl she
• 27:12
  meets a witch she gets wishes off this witch but he doesn't know what they are
• 27:18
  they have a baby she then murders the baby and he's trying to find out what's
• 27:23
  going on and what's the deal with these witches and shapter that old cliche
• 27:29
  probably cuz I'm just going changeling I just think Shape Shifter well she
• 27:34
  murders the baby and he's like you murdered our [ __ ] baby and she's like
• 27:38
  it wasn't a baby so season two might
• 27:43
  reveal is that how you get out of it is it that was a
• 27:49
  baby no but see like it sounds like how could you possibly make a show about
• 27:54
  this it's really serious and he goes [ __ ] psycho and he goes to her work
• 27:59
  with a gun and and like all of this stuff and then he's in this group
• 28:03
  therapy and they're like what would you going to do when you found her he's like
• 28:05
  kill her and then kill myself like it's it's full on but it's got witches and
• 28:10
  fairies it's not Science Fiction it's not science fiction at all no also not
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  for me but also Z said like it was a baby she's not a baby is it a dog and I
• 28:21
  was just yeah it's a baby it's a joke which no
• 28:27
  one will get no that's right uh yeah
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  good but I was at a certain point I was watching it
• 28:37
  to hopefully just want everything to be okay as opposed to watching it to see
• 28:44
  what happens you know I don't have any TV show news because as I told you guys before we
• 28:50
  started recording it I'm watching friends for the first time I've never
• 28:54
  seen friends but everybody else has so there's nothing I'm going to say what do
• 28:58
  you think I think it's it's funnier than I thought it was going to be like I
• 29:03
  genuinely laugh out loud at times I I told you there's that episode where
• 29:09
  Monica starts dating a friend of her parents who's older it's Tom celic plays
• 29:14
  parent and there's an episode where her dad is like oh you got a young piece of
• 29:17
  ass have you maybe you know let me have a go and I'm like
• 29:22
  [ __ ] not verbatim no no he says he says
• 29:28
  he says maybe one weekend I'll lend you the car and then you can you know and
• 29:32
  then and like Ross is like Dad can [ __ ] her in the car it doesn't mean you can
• 29:37
  lend me the he say I'll lend you I'll lend you the Porsche you lend me the and
• 29:43
  then Ross is like Dad you don't want to go there amazing see I would say like I've never
• 29:49
  like I've watch I've seen friends I haven't watched Friends like I've seen a
• 29:55
  lot of it but I wouldn't be able to tell you I I told Jen before we started I was like
• 30:00
  there are things I know about it like three things in particular which I said
• 30:03
  as I know Ross and Rachel go are on a break I know Chandler gets a job in
• 30:07
  another state and I know that Joey says are you do Chandler gets written out of
• 30:11
  the show Matt oh is that what happens all right yeah that's when Chandler was
• 30:15
  in his he's on a break phes and some there's some other odds and ends that
• 30:19
  I've seen because how can you not know certain things about it but like I said
• 30:24
  it's actually very I'm surprised I never watched it to be honest I think I would
• 30:30
  have liked it you probably didn't watch it because it was such a cultural
• 30:33
  phenomenon and you were probably turned off by the hype of it because it
• 30:37
  remember I didn't watch a lot of TV back in the day like I know I always played
• 30:43
  video games I didn't watch a lot of stuff in fact in the 90s think mostly I
• 30:48
  watched like Buffy and Angel and then played video games yeah yeah and the
• 30:54
  Reas I watch I watched it with you guys so it was like
• 30:58
  yeah almost like a social thing that we've got that was me friends as well
• 31:01
  when friends started styler and I were obsessed with it and we were obsessed
• 31:04
  with it because we couldn't decide which one of us was Chandler and which one of
• 31:07
  us was Ross we knew neither of us were Joey that's that much that much we knew
• 31:14
  yeah um we didn't really have a joey but uh it's it's it's good I do like it I
• 31:20
  tape it off after a while but I've kind of gone back as well and and and watched
• 31:25
  i r for a long time it ran for like years years
• 31:32
  yeah yeah it is it's well written sometimes and I think I mean obviously
• 31:37
  they're all Mega stars that we're getting a million dollars an episode but
• 31:39
  I think even despite that Jennifer Aniston is not given the credit as a
• 31:45
  great comedian that she is like she deliver like everyone else is like all
• 31:50
  the funny one she's kind of the the straight one in a way but I think her
• 31:54
  skill of playing that character with the seriousness she does like
• 31:59
  Phoebe is just a joke constant joke right Chandler as well Chandler is a
• 32:04
  very you know he's stereotype yeah even Joey everything he does is op whereas
• 32:10
  where whereas J Rachel is a well written character that just happens to be
• 32:16
  hilarious at the same time sure
• 32:21
  yeah that's good I'm liking it surprised if I see I mean like a if I'm away on
• 32:26
  holidays and it's I'll leave it on like it's a it's a fun to watch I love this
• 32:31
  it's 2024 I'm reading Lord of the Rings for the first time Matt's watching
• 32:36
  friends Luke anything you're massively behind the times on I'll just go back to
• 32:41
  Spies Like Us because the we we started I've also
• 32:46
  never watched Seinfeld oh Seinfeld is even better Matt
• 32:52
  I tried to we tried to watch Seinfeld the problem I had with Seinfeld is that
• 32:57
  the episode is just like almost a non sequit in I don't know if it changes
• 33:03
  later on but it's like there's no beginning and there's no end no it's
• 33:08
  just a window in yeah all credits all of a sudden the credits roll and it's like
• 33:12
  well what the [ __ ] happened well that's why it's the show about nothing well
• 33:17
  they never said that though and in fact Larry David apparently gets annoyed when
• 33:21
  people say that because no it's clearly about things but it's not yeah no I uh
• 33:27
  yeah I know I couldn't get into science I watched an episode this week because
• 33:30
  sometimes episodes just poping up and the funny thing is too if you look at
• 33:34
  the lists of episodes there'll be one you be like seen it too many times seen
• 33:36
  it too many times seen it too many times only seen it once somehow yes and then
• 33:40
  you know so there's one there was one that I suddenly popped into my head um
• 33:44
  Luke do you remember the yo the lowfat yogurt shop that turned out to have fat
• 33:48
  in the yogurt and everyone was eating there going it's fat free but everyone
• 33:51
  was getting fat y um but at the the the B plot to that was that Jerry
• 33:57
  accidentally swore in front of this lady's kid and so he has to apologize to
• 34:02
  him but then he keeps getting in situations where that kid keeps hearing
• 34:06
  him swear and um it's it's it's quite funny it's quite funny but I like I like
• 34:11
  SE I think maybe gets better like with the you've seen like some episodes to
• 34:16
  death is when free to Air at the time remember the Simpsons like he saw the
• 34:21
  first like three seasons to death I me there all these new seasons coming out
• 34:25
  but you never saw them because they just kept doing
• 34:29
  that's what really throws you still going I still can't believe
• 34:35
  it Matt if you if you want to see whether or not you like Seinfeld there's
• 34:39
  a two-parter and I think it was the Cliffhanger of one season in the first
• 34:43
  episode of The Following season this a
• 34:47
  two-parter uh Kramer goes to California he moves to California and while he's
• 34:53
  there he gets mistaken for a serial killer and gets investigated
• 34:58
  and at the same time oh and he's trying to be an actor so that's why he goes
• 35:01
  there so it's the a plot is him trying to be an actor and go audition he's like
• 35:05
  on Murphy Brown yeah yeah he's getting rolls and so that's funny but then also
• 35:09
  this B plot of this hard boil detective trying I've seen that clip of him Murphy
• 35:15
  Brown sorry go on but but then also Jerry and George go out there to try and
• 35:21
  bring him back I forget what plot reason they need to bring him back for but
• 35:26
  there's something um and if you don't like that that pair of
• 35:31
  episodes you won't like any of it because that not that that's the best
• 35:35
  but I just think you would find that funny it's not that I don't like it
• 35:38
  because I've seen obviously I've seen it like it's been around it's just that
• 35:44
  I've never sat down and watched all of it all the way through a
• 35:47
  difference and watching season one we watched a bunch episodes and I was just
• 35:52
  like ah this you know I don't like with friends for some for some reason now I'm
• 35:56
  just whatever is about it I'm just like yeah no no I want to keep watching this let's
• 36:02
  go they were famously like the first ones to get paid a million an
• 36:06
  episode they must have got I know that because I was trying to think about this
• 36:11
  even in the first season they had some big guests and I was like how the [ __ ] did
• 36:17
  it get so big so quickly like this is also the sitcoms they kind
• 36:23
  of they them yeah exactly so it's not like they made it and then you've got a
• 36:27
  first season sitting there if you four episodes in and you're the number one
• 36:31
  show then suddenly episode five is going to have a special guest and and
• 36:34
  celebrities are like I want to be on that show also shows how quickly
• 36:38
  television shows started getting paid a lot because I think Seinfeld they were
• 36:42
  famous for getting like $100,000 an episode and then very quickly after that
• 36:46
  friends were the ones where up to like a million and not only that all the stars
• 36:50
  of Friends started dating celebrities like Julia Roberts is in friends because
• 36:56
  she was dating Matthew Perry apparently Brad Pitts in there because
• 36:59
  he was with of course yeah yeah yeah so they just start getting these big name
• 37:04
  cele have you gotten up to that episode Matt no oh it's it's funny because he [ __ ] hates
• 37:10
  her season two yeah he hates her and he
• 37:14
  him and Ross hated her in high school and now obviously Ross is in love with
• 37:19
  it but he doesn't know that so Brad Pit's like what a [ __ ] [ __ ] hey Ross and he's
• 37:24
  like well the one with Julia Roberts is this it's like a two-parter with with
• 37:29
  vanam is in it as well
• 37:34
  Jen Rachel and Monica are trying to both trying to [ __ ] vanam and then and he's
• 37:40
  like we get up three some and they're like no no no no and then I remember this Matt and
• 37:47
  then and then the other side of it is is um Chandler is dating this makeup artist
• 37:53
  who was it's Julia Roberts except it goes on for two episodes
• 37:58
  and then the the the at the end of it in high school he lifted her dress up so
• 38:02
  everyone could see her underwear so the whole point of it is that she's not even
• 38:06
  dating him at the end of it she like tricks him into into a stall in a in a
• 38:11
  restaurant to like have sex but then she's like I want we I want you to wear
• 38:15
  my panties and then she steals all his clothes and just leaves chandlery in
• 38:20
  there wearing his panties that's great it's a good episode that's what I
• 38:25
  mean it's just I guess I didn't know the show was that funny I guess to be honest
• 38:32
  yeah it's no big bang theory oh thank God it's not a Big Bang
• 38:38
  Theory I watched two other things this week worth mentioning um number one
• 38:44
  Castle Rock have you seen this good yeah Castle Rock's good it's very good and
• 38:49
  actually I don't know why I hadn't watched it before other than I think I
• 38:52
  thought it was going to be goofier I think it was I thought it was going to
• 38:56
  be more like Buffy Charmed not that I don't like those but just that's what I
• 39:00
  thought this was and I was like oh this is this is good just season one you're
• 39:05
  in yeah halfway through yeah got Lizzy Kaplan in it and I quite like her season
• 39:10
  two has got Lizzy Kaplan in it keep and continue into that because it's also
• 39:14
  [ __ ] Excell okay yeah yeah no I'm just I'm where I'm at now you've got a
• 39:19
  sar's guardi in a hole and it's very interesting it's very good yeah good
• 39:24
  show so that's that's excellent and it's good to watch this after changeling
• 39:28
  because obviously they're both kind of in the horror genre but this is much
• 39:32
  more fun to watch than the changeling there was one other thing that I watched
• 39:36
  this week that was surprisingly good uh and that is Masters of the Universe
• 39:42
  Revelation which is the Kevin Smith written is this the second one or the
• 39:48
  first one the first one because I didn't watch it oh is this the one mad about
• 39:52
  yes and I tell you I think I know why so this is a direct
• 39:58
  carryon from the 1985 show right toys
• 40:04
  yeah and it ignores every other iteration of He-Man that's ever come
• 40:09
  since and Carries On directly not even that but you know
• 40:14
  there was a 1992 version and the 2003 version it this just carries on in the
• 40:20
  first scene of the first episode He-Man and Skeletor finally just
• 40:27
  fight mano a mano in Castle Grace scull
• 40:31
  right yeah and they both die yeah they're both killed okay and that's why
• 40:37
  I think people got upset with he-man's not in it right skeletors not in it
• 40:42
  they're dead and um then the everything
• 40:46
  goes to [ __ ] right so man at Arms has to come back to the king and queen and tell
• 40:51
  them that he- Man's dead and they're like oh my God that's awful anyway
• 40:54
  where's my son and and and and manat arms has to be like listen
• 41:01
  um He-Man is your son and they're like and you knew this the whole time and you
• 41:05
  didn't tell us that you were taking our son into all these dangerous situations
• 41:09
  you're [ __ ] fired and so everything goes to [ __ ] right
• 41:13
  so tea is out on her own as a rogue
• 41:18
  mercenary all of skeletor's old followers because it was so the magic
• 41:24
  was what destroyed snake uh Castle Grace skull and what killed um he
• 41:30
  es Skeletor so they're fully against magic now they hate magic and they've
• 41:34
  formed this cult this religion that worships machine technology and so
• 41:40
  they're building all these things but it it is it is it is the epitome of like
• 41:45
  sci-fi sword and sorcery it feels like the old con novel it's [ __ ]
• 41:52
  great huh does He-Man come back he
• 41:56
  hasn't yet I'm about four episodes in so he might come back I'm sure he does but
• 42:02
  he's so far he's just not in it tea is one of the main characters she's voiced
• 42:07
  by the way Sarah Michelle Geller right does her voice how am I not watching
• 42:12
  this it is excellent I know he's just come out and
• 42:16
  said like season two's about to come out so this one's called Revelation and the
• 42:22
  next one's called Revolution H okay all I got I got to
• 42:26
  watch this that sounds [ __ ] awesome and the best thing Matt I hope you have
• 42:32
  this sorry should I watch the last episode of
• 42:36
  85 I don't know that that's necessarily necessary on in the end he turns to the
• 42:41
  camera and goes what did we learn this time that if you're going to cross the
• 42:44
  street you have to go to the crossing you can't just cross wherever you
• 42:47
  want um but Harper happily sat and watched it too because it's all just
• 42:52
  colorful and stuff
• 42:56
  so watching Land Before Time now at
• 43:03
  somehow she's [ __ ] obsessed with Dinosaurs yeah and somehow The Land
• 43:09
  Before Time came on on like YouTube or something after like a clip of because
• 43:14
  it was a TV series you there's 14 movies I knew there was a lot I didn't know 14
• 43:19
  there's 14 of them I think I've only seen the first two but anyway she calls
• 43:24
  it the scary dinos because it is because I guess to her it's like compar serious
• 43:30
  she watches Dino Ranch which is like like a goofy 3D animated thing whereas
• 43:34
  this is very serious yeah so she calls it the scary dinos there's also one
• 43:39
  called gigantosaurus on um Netflix which is also very fun okay all right with kid
• 43:45
  kid dinosaurs that like get up to stuff all right yeah yeah we'll try that she
• 43:51
  [ __ ] obsessed with Dinosaurs I don't know and there was an Instagram post
• 43:54
  going around that said um kids that are interested in dinosaurs are smart
• 43:59
  because you know they they were interested in paleontology and this and
• 44:02
  she doesn't know anything about that stuff yeah off she just thinks they're cool
• 44:08
  looking I think there's a part of Developmental yeah because I think they
• 44:14
  I think there's just when you learn that there used to be [ __ ] dragons like
• 44:18
  that's just [ __ ] great she doesn't even know that they're real it's just a
• 44:22
  [ __ ] cartoon like like I like I agree with you maybe eventually she'll be like
• 44:28
  I'll be like oh you know dinosaurs actually existed then and that'll blow
• 44:31
  her mind has no concept of that at the moment Fun For All She Knows unicorns
• 44:36
  exist also and mermaids exactly yeah her her stuffed dragon that she loves so
• 44:41
  much is real like it's not yeah yeah Instagram thing yeah something about
• 44:47
  dinosaurs I think all kids just love it at at a certain stage get phase I mean
• 44:51
  maybe there's more to it but I I'm I'm not convinced does Len Before Time hold
• 44:56
  up have you watched that first movie where the [ __ ] they get separated from their
• 45:03
  parents it's slow compared to what she's used to a lot of old TV shows and movies
• 45:09
  and stuff are slow compared to like this kind of hyp because she's watching puppy
• 45:15
  dog Pals it's like it's just like [ __ ] constant like yeah yeah exactly
• 45:22
  so the old stuff doesn't hold her attention not as kinetic
• 45:27
  even she got super interested the night before Christmas I think I told you this
• 45:30
  but it's like she gets bored it's slow yeah yeah yeah it's it's the old school
• 45:35
  the borderline of that I think is the modern Disney ones so Harper is now
• 45:40
  obsessed with frozen which I think is also just another thing all little girls
• 45:44
  get obsessed with at a certain point Frozen's pretty good but she will sit
• 45:48
  and watch the whole movie Jonathan gr mat yeah yeah no no no I know it's and
• 45:52
  he's great he's very funny um but yeah she'll she'll now sit and watch watch
• 45:57
  all of Frozen Frozen 2 I actually think is better than Frozen one better story
• 46:02
  and better songs it's it's just an
• 46:06
  improvement yeah hav't need to see Frozen oh sure yeah no it's a pretty
• 46:12
  good one Tangled better I I really like Tangled Tangled the Rapunzel Disney's
• 46:18
  Rapunzel yeah very good we put we watched i' never seen um it's the frog
• 46:24
  one the frog the frog yeah with the [ __ ] Voodoo guy set in Louisiana it's
• 46:30
  great I [ __ ] haven't seen this I'm G look I think there's a a whole chunk of
• 46:36
  Disney movies that we were too old to watch as kids but too young to watch as
• 46:40
  adults yeah I think it's prin the Frog we got this this uh like
• 46:44
  Louisiana like theme and it's like there's like a steamboat and it's like
• 46:49
  like Voodoo guys the bad guy it's like that sounds awesome reminds me of
• 46:53
  Gabriel Knight it's [ __ ] cool yeah right I haven't seen that and I also
• 46:58
  haven't seen Hercules or Tarzan which I think all came out around the same time
• 47:03
  yeah good point yeah we're in that weird age we're too old or Too Young like it's
• 47:09
  that happen but now that I say that I'd watch a Hercules I'd watch a Tarzan sure
• 47:13
  I know I would watch Hy Le returns no you wouldn't you absolutely
• 47:19
  [Laughter] woulds I love that movie I love that
• 47:25
  movie time too anybody outside of Australia in the 90s know what probably
• 47:31
  not D it it's a good movie up until the ending it's the people from Acropolis
• 47:37
  now I don't remember being to the end that that that made it fall
• 47:41
  apart what happened at the end well remember there's that whole plot where
• 47:46
  he's that guy's trying to make the movie cinema and at the end they have like a
• 47:50
  fight at the ends oh do they yeah yeah that's the part that takes out like the
• 47:54
  actual just dubbing in movie I'll be honest I forgot this even existed until
• 47:58
  you brought it up just now I kind of do want to watch it again I remember that
• 48:01
  because for some reason when I when I was back in Sydney there were there was
• 48:06
  at the N More theater was like WG boy seven or something there's a new one now
• 48:11
  Matt Matt yeah there's a new one out right now and I was like oh my God
• 48:16
  they're still doing that are we not we're not they're not not allowed to do
• 48:19
  that anymore because that seems fairly offensive it's their own culture they
• 48:22
  can say what they want right but that got me interested I was like I remember
• 48:26
  a now what is Acropolis now and I looked it up and I was like yes even that is
• 48:31
  like I feel like just laying into stereotypes I mean you'd never they'
• 48:35
  never make that show today but um but then that got me thinking about that and
• 48:39
  then like Hercules returns as the same people right it's like them dubbing over
• 48:44
  an old Greek myth not till you lower your nipples [ __ ]
• 48:51
  bronze so weird when you first said it Luke I thought you meant Hercules in New
• 48:56
  York um Arnold Schwarzenegger's first film where he's credited as Arnold
• 49:00
  strong and somebody else dubs him over oh wow because he could speak SE that
• 49:06
  because he couldn't speak English yeah well he could but no one could
• 49:09
  understand his accent is unwatchable it is unwatchable I got see if I have Hercules
• 49:16
  returns I want to watch that now we got to talk about we didn't talk about this last
• 49:20
  week the [ __ ] Mandalorian movie I need to know what you guys think about this
• 49:27
  I I don't have opinion I'll tell you right now don't have op thought at the
• 49:30
  moment they're making a movie called The Mandalorian
• 49:35
  grogou called the Mandalorian and grou John fao's directing it do we even give
• 49:39
  a [ __ ] at this point I certainly don't I didn't even watch series 3 yeah is it r
• 49:44
  no NE movie movie R rated is it is it R
• 49:49
  yeah is it a love story Forbidden Love
• 49:53
  Story wink wink yeah he's 50 you can [ __ ] a 50-year-old if you
• 50:00
  want baby Yoda
• 50:04
  [ __ ] ped Pascal took him some time to come around on it
• 50:10
  yeah like no no he's no he's not in it I don't think Pedro Pascal is in
• 50:16
  it that makes sense because he doesn't didn't he he is he just out in general
• 50:22
  is that true I think so because I think he didn't appear Luke tell me you didn't
• 50:25
  see him without the mask in season right he's just the voice
• 50:28
  over I can I cannot remember and I I read and this may not be true but I read
• 50:33
  that he was like I'm out of this I think I think it became more apparent that he
• 50:39
  was more so just doing the voice than the actual AC because it's Shan Wayne
• 50:43
  son that's in the suit yeah he's he was never on set yeah like uh what's uh Ron
• 50:49
  Howard's daughter Bryce Dallas Howard is that the director I don't know her I
• 50:53
  don't know that sexy woman's name Dan
• 50:56
  that beautiful volumous red um when uh cuz she was like they were like oh what
• 51:03
  was like working with ped pasc say never met him never met him yeah I think they
• 51:10
  I think they came out and he finally admitted that yeah I'm not there it's me
• 51:15
  for a couple scenes and I do the voice yeah I'm just the face in those two
• 51:19
  scenes and the voice over yeah yeah good
• 51:24
  so he's okay is Gro even in this movie
• 51:28
  use the Pu at your cowards trust
• 51:32
  me's better be in this movie I I'm disappointed look maybe it
• 51:39
  didn't change maybe I changed I don't know but I loved that first season of
• 51:43
  Mandalorian I loved everything about it yeah look I think Boba Fett took it
• 51:50
  off the rails a bit yeah I really do and they need to connect it all and Boba
• 51:56
  Fett was awful like just mhm it was everything I don't want Star Wars to be
• 52:02
  and I don't even know how to like I will watch any of the prequels again before I
• 52:07
  would watch one episode of of book of Boba Fett do you want to see Boba Fett
• 52:11
  riding a rankor no I don't don't give a
• 52:15
  [ __ ] over the the Speeder Bike mod Chase
• 52:20
  it's just but but that like that's just that was just dumb anyway like in any
• 52:25
  movie that would be dumb but like did things in it where it's like oh he goes
• 52:28
  back and he just blows up the S like no like
• 52:33
  what yeah like you just don't get it I
• 52:36
  suppose or or we're just completely on a
• 52:41
  different level I think we are but but that's why I think don't go back to Boba
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  Fett because I don't think they are I think they learned well no no I but I
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  mean maybe this is retroactively telling them not to make the show they made but
• 52:55
  like Boba fed was accidentally the most interesting character in the original trilogy yes
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  like by complete accident like yeah he barely had any lines he had hardly
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  anything to do and yet we loved him I bet George Lucas yes and so he leaned
• 53:14
  way too much into the backstory of jeno Fett with the prequels and then they
• 53:20
  leaned way too much into Boba Fett with
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  the the cartoons and then
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  this I don't know who this is for but they have made another Andor yes yeah
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  yeah they just well almost and I I honestly thought we weren't gonna see
• 53:38
  another yeah worried about it I knew we were ah yeah but they were like because
• 53:45
  of Co they shut it down and everything I was worried worried two make they're
• 53:50
  trying to make Star Wars for everyone and I think they are trying to make
• 53:53
  different Star Wars for every that's fine so call this adult Star Wars and
• 53:58
  and I'll just keep watching this stuff we're going to get we're going to get
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  feedback I watched that movie and I thought it was quite good it was made by
• 54:08
  people who love Star Wars which movie Star Wars
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  porno no well the other thing I was gonna say is too that sorry with the
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  Mandalorian and Boba Fett grou it's [ __ ] wild to me
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  that half of Boba Fett was the Mandalorian and if you didn't watch Boba
• 54:30
  Fett because you thought it was [ __ ] you would you would then watch the
• 54:33
  Mandalorian Mand going why the [ __ ] is grou back yeah oh even if you do why the
• 54:39
  [ __ ] is he back don't it makes perfect sense that he was out of the story yeah
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  do that don't make me have to watch something else don't make me have to
• 54:47
  watch the shows that I don't enjoy to understand the shows I do enjoy like
• 54:51
  that's [ __ ] up it does sort of make sense that he doesn't stay with Luke
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  Skywalker yeah I know but like if you're gonna do that right and
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  so don't don't have that be the [ __ ] Arc of the whole second season if you're
• 55:05
  gonna go back on it yeah and like don't like if you want to do this like go Star
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  we're gonna make different shows with different people don't require me to
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  watch all of them otherwise I'm out like I'll watch Andor because I like it I I
• 55:20
  thought I like the Mandalorian apparently I don't now because you
• 55:23
  changed it yeah like yeah look I watch Clone War and I didn't actually aha not
• 55:29
  watching ahoka but I could understand where it's targeted to people who grew
• 55:33
  up watching the Clone Wars except Ray stens is in it and I
• 55:39
  love him so much and I can't believe he's gone people watch the rebels as
• 55:43
  well and that it ties directly into that
• 55:49
  yeah but I I watched a video essay because I can't I just can't stop like
• 55:55
  trying to convince yourself yeah I'm not going to watch the shows but I'll watch
• 55:57
  video essays about the shows apparently that that uh even Ahsoka kind of [ __ ]
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  up like those shows because it it just against it too yeah completely
• 56:10
  undermines the characters in those shows so I it seems like they just don't care
• 56:15
  that's why I think the the best of the modern Star Wars maybe other than Andor
• 56:21
  is Rogue one uh which is Andor adjacent obviously but
• 56:27
  because a written by John NS who from
• 56:31
  ilm who worked on other Star Wars movies right it's about Star Wars it's about
• 56:38
  one tiny thing in Star Wars but with new characters who are only in that story
• 56:43
  you know like and that's why it works it's because you're not going oh guess
• 56:48
  what Luke skwalker did on this other one day why the Mandalorian worked at the
• 56:53
  start yes yeah it wasn't
• 56:58
  yeah and it's why like remember even Star Wars Battlefront 2 when that game
• 57:03
  came out I was looking forward to that game because this is going to be a game
• 57:06
  about a group of Stormtroopers that after destru second death H they went on
• 57:11
  to sort of move on and then it became in and now they're gonna fight with Lando
• 57:15
  now they're gonna fight with Princess Leia and it's like no just St it they
• 57:19
  don't have to be in it yeah I Big
• 57:24
  Universe seems like sorry listen seems like it's Fon the one thing you've asked
• 57:28
  not to do anymore I know I know it seems like as soon as they bring Dave filon
• 57:31
  and he's like all right we got to link all this stuff up like no you don't have
• 57:35
  to you could have you can link it up by having something in the background a
• 57:39
  news broadcast happening that I mean do that it's not his fault George started
• 57:46
  doing that in the 90s and 2000s
• 57:50
  because one or maybe two yeah there was there was a couple of instances of that
• 57:55
  in original and then he just leaned way too heavily into oh also [ __ ] Darth
• 58:01
  Vader built C3PO no he didn't there's plenty of evidence that would say that's
• 58:06
  absolutely not the case [ __ ] [ __ ] he's a mass produced Pro [ __ ] um
• 58:11
  nonsensical yeah yeah protocol
• 58:16
  Droid sorry all right all right let's
• 58:20
  talk about something not Star Wars okay
• 58:24
  what do we got got some up I I got I got
• 58:28
  the segue from Alan Wake 2 right Alan
• 58:31
  Wake 2 yeah there is no physical copy of
• 58:36
  Alan Wake they made a deliberate decision not to release it on discs
• 58:41
  because it meant they could make it cheaper apparently it was 60 bucks
• 58:47
  instead of 70 bucks in the US because right thank you and that ties
• 58:53
  into this article about uh ubis who this week uh someone like a who was
• 59:00
  it from someone actually from Ubisoft talking about Ubisoft plus said getry
• 59:07
  sorry sorry it's Ubisoft Ubisoft fine
• 59:10
  it's Ubisoft you be soft you be soft because you're not going to be hard
• 59:15
  about the fact that you're not owning any of these games anymore and basically
• 59:19
  just accept it they are trying to get people used to the idea of not owning
• 59:24
  things owning games particular and it's like did you have to say that cuz now I
• 59:29
  feel really gross about it yeah yeah like I think there's a big difference to
• 59:36
  an online component of something disappearing like with an MMO or like
• 59:41
  with the Assassin's Creed stuff where to go we're now shutting down the
• 59:44
  multiplayer servers I think that's a lot different to you don't even own the
• 59:48
  single player comp that's because especially when you combine it with the
• 59:53
  all wake thing it's like oh it's it's only 60 bucks because actually you're
• 59:56
  only renting it and it's like well hang on a minute why is it only $10 cheaper
• 1:00:02
  to own it like you you've you've you've upset me now like you shouldn't have
• 1:00:07
  said you just shouldn't have mentioned it to be honest and then even with the
• 1:00:10
  fact like a $ more to get the disc it doesn't actually mean that the game will
• 1:00:14
  actually work if you don't have it connected to the internet yeah yeah and
• 1:00:19
  I know these two articles are not not like directly linked but like it's they
• 1:00:24
  happen in the same week so I can't help thinking of about it and like yeah I don't
• 1:00:29
  know yeah it's I don't like it it reminds me this Cory doctor article
• 1:00:35
  where it said um when when buying something doesn't mean owning something
• 1:00:40
  piracy no longer means theft right but look I can I can
• 1:00:47
  understand I take with that sure no no there's a leap there but I get his point
• 1:00:52
  is that if they're like saying we're going to charge you the same but you
• 1:00:56
  don't actually I can take it back at any time yeah exactly well then well then if
• 1:01:00
  I download it I'm not but just you could you could still choose not to purchase
• 1:01:04
  it and not experience it always a choice but we're quibbling over terms here
• 1:01:09
  right because oh no no I'm GNA buy it oh well you yeah you buying it and it's
• 1:01:12
  like wellow actually you didn't buy it it's like okay well if quibbling over
• 1:01:16
  terms yeah for me for a single player game I should be able to play that once
• 1:01:22
  I buy I should be able to play that that's yeah 100% player I can understand
• 1:01:27
  that's costing them money still for servers and keeping stuff up and that to
• 1:01:33
  get to a point where look this is just we're losing money and no one's using it
• 1:01:38
  and people a lot of times will get upset that multiplayer servers are
• 1:01:41
  disappearing even though they're not playing it but they get upset that I
• 1:01:45
  don't have the option to play it anymore but with a single player you should
• 1:01:49
  always have that option to go back and experience that but Ubisoft in
• 1:01:52
  particular they've had issues in the past I think with Assassin's Creed Unity
• 1:01:57
  or one of the Assassin's Creeds where they were like we're shutting down the
• 1:02:00
  servers which authenticate your permissions to play the game which means
• 1:02:05
  you can't play the [ __ ] game that you bought anymore like that's a problem
• 1:02:09
  that's not appropriate I paid you for the game I want to go back and play the
• 1:02:14
  game yeah there yeah I agree I yeah multiplayer online where they have
• 1:02:20
  service but no I should just be able to play the game it's not my fault that you
• 1:02:23
  built in authenticators for piracy turn that on then if you're not going to just
• 1:02:27
  yeah least one patch to turn that off and fine but this this does seem like
• 1:02:32
  they are trying to say no no no you pay just because you're paid for it doesn't
• 1:02:37
  mean you get to keep it forever you will be a you'll pay for it you'll get to
• 1:02:40
  play it as long as we feel like letting you play it and and I think they're
• 1:02:45
  hoping people will as we have been just kind of go with it well it's weird that
• 1:02:52
  they're finally saying this with games because it's something that's been
• 1:02:54
  happening like as you know with music when you moved to America and you
• 1:02:58
  transferred your library you lost music that you paid for this happened recently
• 1:03:04
  on Playstation yeah with a PlayStation network uh God what was the [ __ ]
• 1:03:09
  studio if you bought TV shows and movies on your PlayStation you just bought them
• 1:03:16
  right like like Luke you buy a lot of stuff on Xbox right yep there was a
• 1:03:19
  studio that did not renegotiate with Sony I think it's Discovery could be and
• 1:03:26
  then basically and there was a whole like if you bought Mythbusters in
• 1:03:29
  particular if if you bought all seasons of Mythbusters on your PlayStation so
• 1:03:34
  you could watch them yep they they went away and they just took them from you
• 1:03:40
  even if you even if you had them downloaded it was like no no no they're
• 1:03:43
  gone now [ __ ] you like that's like
• 1:03:48
  that's not cool like how the [ __ ] does that work yep like whereas and I know
• 1:03:53
  like it's not analogist but like if I bought if I bought the DVDs of Mythbusters
• 1:03:59
  they're in my house [ __ ] come and get them [ __ ] like you know what I mean
• 1:04:03
  it's like I feel like
• 1:04:08
  the American no I just feel like a second
• 1:04:15
  wait here right got fck don't like MythBusters out of my cold dead
• 1:04:22
  hands I don't I don't care about MythBusters but I do do care about
• 1:04:27
  the I don't know the thumbnail for this week is going to be Matt on his porch
• 1:04:33
  with [ __ ] gun and the Myth Busters [Laughter]
• 1:04:39
  DVD is called from my cold dead hand dead hands I get exactly what you're saying
• 1:04:46
  come and I think this is but this slow like like frog in the you know the the
• 1:04:51
  old fa of the frog in the um in the in the pot in the Scorpion
• 1:04:57
  the Ubisoft is gonna kill you if you throw a frog into boiling water it's
• 1:05:01
  going to jump out but if you put a frog into cold water put the pot on the stove
• 1:05:06
  and turn the heat on as it warms up the frog doesn't realize it's being boiled
• 1:05:11
  alive until and I feel like exactly and I feel like that's that's what they
• 1:05:16
  they've accidentally said that they're doing on purpose they've accidentally just popped
• 1:05:22
  us into the hot water yeah they've accidentally just said oh by the way we
• 1:05:25
  did put you in the hot water you because now I'm not okay with it you
• 1:05:32
  shouldn't have said anything at work we been discussing this as well and it's
• 1:05:35
  sort of like this is sort of heading the way that the industry is heading with
• 1:05:39
  like a billion triing services and like with PlayStation like we're just gonna
• 1:05:43
  take stuff this is gonna push people back to piracy again because but and the
• 1:05:49
  other problem is I've got this gcloud right that I've been raving
• 1:05:53
  about now I'm like oh actually I kind of don't like that aspect of it because
• 1:05:58
  this only works because I'm letting them do this the funny thing is games are
• 1:06:03
  still the only thing I buy individual content everything else oh
• 1:06:08
  yeah all music now I just have Spotify subscription all TV is just subscription
• 1:06:13
  and we are used to things disappearing when you subscribe because you don't
• 1:06:16
  feel you have ownership on them like I I remember at a certain point I was like
• 1:06:20
  oh I'm G to watch next generation and I know it's on Netflix so I popped it on
• 1:06:24
  searched I'm like no it's not there obviously it used to be they've taken it
• 1:06:27
  away and I'm disappointed but I don't feel like anything's been stolen from me
• 1:06:31
  because I didn't pay for the Next Generation I just paid for Netflix but
• 1:06:36
  if you were to pay for it on something if I was to go to the [ __ ] Apple
• 1:06:40
  Store and go purchase each episode that does happen now that now that we've had
• 1:06:44
  these these stores long enough that is happening yes and like it's happened
• 1:06:49
  like this this MythBusters thing is obviously a big example everyone noticed
• 1:06:52
  but it's happened on Apple as well where if the rights ERS don't
• 1:06:57
  renew then you don't get to have it anymore I think they need to change the
• 1:07:02
  fact where they when you when I go on any of the online stores they need to
• 1:07:05
  remove the option of buying and they need to make it clear that I'm not
• 1:07:09
  buying it yeah they don't want to do that though no they really don't want to do that
• 1:07:15
  no because they do want you to think that you're buying it because when they
• 1:07:20
  have rent as well but rent is like you know you've got to start watching it
• 1:07:25
  within hours or [ __ ] and the second you start watching it that's yeah You' got
• 1:07:29
  to try and if you watch half of it and go I watch next week not too late you
• 1:07:35
  get yeah that chance and you get to watch it once I I yeah I just thought it was
• 1:07:40
  ironic that that the I would not have thought about the max pain thing at all
• 1:07:46
  not Max pain uh Allan Wake Allan Wake 2 no physical copy fine wouldn't have
• 1:07:51
  considered that a problem except this Ubisoft thing also came out in the same
• 1:07:55
  week and it made me go oh hang on a minute that sucks because now Alan Wake
• 1:08:02
  2 can be taken away from
• 1:08:06
  it it won't but it could by time they do take it
• 1:08:12
  away you don't know that it could yeah I I know but by the time they go to this
• 1:08:17
  is one of things when they do take it away I people will be upset but they're
• 1:08:22
  not playing it anymore they're upset that it's going away they're not upset
• 1:08:26
  that they were in the middle of playing it and it's gone like update I did I
• 1:08:30
  found a copy of Super Metroid and I said last week they were
• 1:08:34
  too expensive I found one that I was like all right fine I'll buy it they
• 1:08:38
  can't take that from me it's in my it's going to be in my house cuz you're out
• 1:08:42
  the front with the GED hand exactly like I've got it on my switch
• 1:08:48
  I've got it on my switch because I have the um Nintendo subscription that lets
• 1:08:52
  me play SNES games but if I don't continue that subscription or if
• 1:08:56
  Nintendo one day decides nah we don't want to do that anymore they can take
• 1:09:00
  that away from me but I'll still have my physical cartridge this is actually why
• 1:09:04
  I want to get a job that's actually looking at preserving games yeah right
• 1:09:08
  like that preservation of video games like build that job
• 1:09:13
  May yeah I was about to say it's in CA Luke the the uh the film and TV film and
• 1:09:19
  radio archives in cam have a video game Division I looking at second they
• 1:09:24
  announced a job there I'm for it because that would something I think i' would be
• 1:09:27
  quite good at I'm not sure that means you get to have them though and just
• 1:09:31
  play them yeah no but I I I need to test them to make sure game
• 1:09:37
  archive and you come you can email Remy and go yeah I love a copy of Max pain to
• 1:09:43
  thanks like we give it I have max pain 2 as well that's a
• 1:09:49
  great all of them all of them Allen week to on dis it's mine yeah it back it's
• 1:09:55
  interesting too I remember when you started playing we have gone well over
• 1:09:59
  time we should probably move into the party but um we've done the same as last
• 1:10:06
  week too we didn't talk about half things in the spreadsheet but I'll just
• 1:10:09
  say very quickly Luke you you mentioned the remedy verse or whatever whatever
• 1:10:15
  they call it you know that remedy syic Universe yeah that links back pain
• 1:10:21
  control and all wake I don't think quantum
• 1:10:25
  break is linked or is it yes it is it is okay um but that's more interesting than
• 1:10:32
  I thought it would be when you said that I kind of groaned a bit and I was like
• 1:10:35
  oh okay is this getting a little bit book of Boba Fett but actually the way
• 1:10:39
  they do it and with that um what's the name of that poet uh Zayn Thomas Zayn
• 1:10:45
  and all that stuff you realize that there's a lot there's already a lot of
• 1:10:51
  shared Universe in this series anyway yes and it's very interesting now very
• 1:10:58
  very apparent it's just yeah they're joining the dots I [ __ ] love it I
• 1:11:04
  when I finished this and I like I said I hope it goes on and on I want to go back
• 1:11:08
  and play Everything max pain control everything right from the start well as
• 1:11:13
  I said max P's coming out soon and how soon I want to know look
• 1:11:20
  I'm GNA look up it's getting closer it'll be this year next year at the
• 1:11:23
  latest okay try and play The Originals
• 1:11:27
  yeah probably not Playstation One um
• 1:11:31
  guys uh let's go into the Afterparty um [ __ ] I want to tell you about Alec
• 1:11:36
  Baldwin and um we can only tell you behind I want to hear about the I want
• 1:11:41
  to hear about Alec Baldwin but what's the Afterparty Dan the Afterparty is
• 1:11:44
  something that Alec Baldwin does
• 1:11:48
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• 1:11:54
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• 1:11:58
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• 1:12:03
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• 1:12:22
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• 1:12:26
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• 1:13:18
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• 1:13:21
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• 1:13:27
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• 1:13:32
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