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Casting Shadows: The Mystical Spells And Dark Rituals Behind PROJECT ULTIMATE SATAN's 'Opus Satanas' · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: I am Jada Kay and thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: I play in the bands Project Ultimate Satan. We're a
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  Speaker 1: symphonic death metal band. Aid'm from Canberra. We cross that
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  Speaker 1: kind of classic Beauty and the Beast theme with more
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  Speaker 1: death metal elements. Yeah, we've just released our new album,
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  Speaker 1: The Open satanis out on Ashotonic Records. We started recording
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  Speaker 1: that in twenty nineteen, kind of finished it up in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and due to COVID lockdowns and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: we're kind of like paused on the release there a little.
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  Speaker 1: But now we're we're ready to kind of push it
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  Speaker 1: out and get out and meet some nice people and
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  Speaker 1: tour it and see how things go awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for being here today. Could you tell
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  Speaker 2: us little bit about the early.
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  Speaker 3: Days of Project Ultimate Satan and how you guys really
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  Speaker 3: got started.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so in twenty nineteen, I was playing in a
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  Speaker 1: band called Inhuman Remnants, and basically I was trying out
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  Speaker 1: new guitarists lead guitarists for the band and we had
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  Speaker 1: a few different people tried it, didn't work out. Managed
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  Speaker 1: to get a hold of Darryl pianist and thought we'd
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  Speaker 1: try out piano see how that went for that role,
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  Speaker 1: and I really liked what he had to offer, but
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  Speaker 1: the other guys in the band, they went so keen
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  Speaker 1: to change from like a deaf grime band into a
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  Speaker 1: symphonic band yep, And so we kind of went on
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  Speaker 1: that kind of road. I co own Extratonic Records with
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  Speaker 1: Ash bass player he also played in Remnants. We kind
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  Speaker 1: of seen the value and like the how good the
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  Speaker 1: stuff was sounding, and we kind of put put in
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  Speaker 1: and made it an official project and started to recruit
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  Speaker 1: people for that at My role in the record label
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  Speaker 1: is to kind of record and produce and do artists development,
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  Speaker 1: so my studio is always full of different people, different
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  Speaker 1: bands coming through. Were kind of offer it as a
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  Speaker 1: service for the label and managed to see a lot
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  Speaker 1: of cool different groups coming through and be able to
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  Speaker 1: kind of pick and choose and ask artists to come
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  Speaker 1: on board. So managed to steal, well not steal a
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  Speaker 1: Drama from Black Mountain and got him on board pretty
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  Speaker 1: early on. And then we kind of went to the
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  Speaker 1: Terror Borus boys and asked them, so Scotty, our vocalist,
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  Speaker 1: and Cal the guitarist from Terravories got them to come
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  Speaker 1: on board. Was also working with Zoe or Tetronova to
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  Speaker 1: try and develop the stuff before Scotty came on board,
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  Speaker 1: and I was prototyping the vocals and trying to work
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  Speaker 1: out that that production side of the the you know,
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  Speaker 1: fem and masculine vocals and trying to trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: that out in a different way. She really helped with
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  Speaker 1: the foundations of that, but she had to leave for
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  Speaker 1: Queensland just after the Flyers, and then we found Jem
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  Speaker 1: and Jim came in. Everything seemed to really click, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, we finished recording in twenty twenty one, and
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  Speaker 1: that that whole kind of COVID lockdown fires kind of
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  Speaker 1: period kind of there was like stages that we went
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  Speaker 1: through where we had to pause and people had to
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  Speaker 1: go home for help their families with their farms and
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  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And then first lockdown meant no
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  Speaker 1: vocal recordings because the guys are in a state. And
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  Speaker 1: then second lockdown came when we were trying to get
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  Speaker 1: it mixed and mastered, so that held that up for
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  Speaker 1: a little while. I wanted to be really hands on
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  Speaker 1: with the mix and master for this album because I'm
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a control freak. Yeah, thanks, And then
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  Speaker 1: I kind of we got our product back and we
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  Speaker 1: were really happy, and we were about to release the
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  Speaker 1: other albums that I've been recording for Shatonic, and we
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  Speaker 1: kind of staggered them out. But we chose to hold
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  Speaker 1: Puss back because we we had like so much going on,
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  Speaker 1: and Lockdown three happened, you know, and so we couldn't
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  Speaker 1: tour it and couldn't push it and couldn't do the
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  Speaker 1: pr so we just held off, held back, and now
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  Speaker 1: is the time to get it done and get out there.
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  Speaker 1: We've got We've got enough time and everyone's tight, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of R and D has gone into making
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  Speaker 1: this band live as you can imagine the whole symphonic
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  Speaker 1: contingent and that we're like Canberra is pretty big and central,
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  Speaker 1: but we don't really have the technical expertise that some
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  Speaker 1: of the other towns have, you know, like Sydney or
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  Speaker 1: Melbourne probably have a bunch of guys that do that
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  Speaker 1: live audio stuff a lot. And so I had to
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  Speaker 1: R and d it myself and kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: go through that trial and error phase and trying to
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  Speaker 1: get that ready for live performance. So I'm glad we
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  Speaker 1: kind of held off and we're able to do a bigger,
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  Speaker 1: better push now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so glad as well that you called the band Puss,
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  Speaker 3: because I was, like me, trying to remember to say
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  Speaker 3: every word correctly.
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  Speaker 2: Of the band name was going to be a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a struggle.
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  Speaker 3: On that.
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  Speaker 2: How did you guys come up with the band name?
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  Speaker 1: I think I tell everyone a different story. It's the
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  Speaker 1: fun part of the thing. So for you, the band started,
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  Speaker 1: the name was from Futurama. Have you seen the project
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  Speaker 1: Ultimate Satan?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Oh that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's there's many different stories. Man, we have
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  Speaker 1: a bit of fun with it that it's supposed to
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  Speaker 1: provoke interest, it's supposed to be cliche, it's supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be brutal. We were going to call the band satanis Ultima,
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  Speaker 1: but there was already someone called that.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, it's always the way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, we wanted a strong brand, and we
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  Speaker 1: wanted wanted something that was going to push boundaries. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to push boundaries without going past
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  Speaker 1: your own kind of morals, and I didn't. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to do something too crazy or out there, but
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  Speaker 1: still wanted that reaction definitely.
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  Speaker 2: And it's relevant.
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  Speaker 3: It really fits the band obviously as a death metal band,
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  Speaker 3: it relates, so yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Choice we are kind of anti anti theist, kind of
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  Speaker 1: satanic at the same time, so kind of geled at all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: And I noticed in a lot of your lyrics as well,
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  Speaker 3: there is a lot of obviously Latin words. I studied
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  Speaker 3: Latin when I was in school. Did you buy any
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  Speaker 3: chance or did anyone.
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  Speaker 2: Else you did?
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  Speaker 3: There's no way these guys know these what these words
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  Speaker 3: mean unless they've studied Latin.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I did. I did a bit of Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was hectic. I liked it, but it was
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  Speaker 3: a lot. What was your musical journey like? Did you
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  Speaker 3: start off playing guitar from a young age or was
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  Speaker 3: that something else.
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  Speaker 1: I started on the drums and then moved on to
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  Speaker 1: bass guitar. Was a bass guitarist for a very long time.
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  Speaker 1: I then got mauled by a dog and lost the
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  Speaker 1: feeling in two of my fingers. I kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it kind of hurts to play a little on the
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  Speaker 1: bass guitar, but moved to smaller strings and I don't
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  Speaker 1: have to put as much pressure down. I still got
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  Speaker 1: all the mobility. I just can't feel if I'm pushing
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  Speaker 1: down hard enough if that so there's there's like if
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to have full resistance to get a fretting,
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  Speaker 1: then I'm fine. So I've got like a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a percussive background, but more of like a kind of
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  Speaker 1: death metal kind of guitar stuff. And then you know school,
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  Speaker 1: Uh we did did high end music at school, I
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  Speaker 1: think at unit too for that study stuff, and then
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  Speaker 1: you know, self taught after that. For most instruments, I
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  Speaker 1: can pretty much pick up anything and a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a tune, but never really went into like piano or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. But meaning Darryl and working with him,
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  Speaker 1: he's more of the like theory guy, and I was
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  Speaker 1: then able to get what I wanted out of some
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  Speaker 1: stuff that I couldn't describe, and so we ended up
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  Speaker 1: really working together well and complimenting each other in in
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  Speaker 1: our skill sets and kind of like bringing that orchestration up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 3: There is a big melodic aspect to your songs as well,
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  Speaker 3: which is really unique, quite unique in the death metal
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  Speaker 3: scene as well, which I really like. I like to
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  Speaker 3: hear that good piano start.
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  Speaker 2: Or you know, or in the middle of the song.
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  Speaker 2: It just really for me brings it all together.
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  Speaker 3: Can you tell us a little bit about your latest album,
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  Speaker 3: The Opus Satanas? And when did you guys you already
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  Speaker 3: said you started working on it. Was it around COVID.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so just before the bushfires at twenty nineteen, so
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  Speaker 1: so like we I just got Darryl on board around
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  Speaker 1: around then, and then you know, the fire started and
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  Speaker 1: there was a bunch of stuff where like other members
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  Speaker 1: that were starting to jump on we had to go
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  Speaker 1: home to like help build stuff back up and that
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing. COVID Lockdown one was when we were
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  Speaker 1: trying to do all the vocal recordings. COVID Lockdown two
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  Speaker 1: was mixing and mastering. So like, there's been a fair
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  Speaker 1: bit of stuff go awry, but really well as well.
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  Speaker 1: You know, always take advantage of things that are there too,
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  Speaker 1: you know that, never never just let things sit or
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  Speaker 1: defeat you, you know what I mean. I'm a big,
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  Speaker 1: big fan of that. You know. The album itself is
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  Speaker 1: made up of two movements. The first called Malaphus Malificarum.
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  Speaker 1: The second is called Lex Talionis they have it has
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  Speaker 1: three figures in each movement. We kind of wanted to
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  Speaker 1: divide it into two movements kind of you know, split
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  Speaker 1: up both like a so for a sight A and
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  Speaker 1: a SIDEB on an album, but to have like like
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  Speaker 1: night and day and kind of kind of that kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing, you know, where the malfis Malfa Karam comes
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  Speaker 1: from people who don't know that's the Hammer of the Witches,
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  Speaker 1: a book written in the fourteen hundreds by the German
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  Speaker 1: Church to persecute, which is so it's kind of like
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  Speaker 1: that one's kind of like the persecution and then lex
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  Speaker 1: talionis if you didn't know, is kind of eye for
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  Speaker 1: an eye or in law, punishment should fit the crime,
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  Speaker 1: and so it's like the persecution and then the punishment
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  Speaker 1: should fit the crime. And so there's that. There's figure one,
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  Speaker 1: which is Symphony s in Furnace from movement one. That
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  Speaker 1: song's kind of like an evocation of Lilith, but it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like follows two different people's pathways through doing
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  Speaker 1: that and what would happen if you, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: were embodied by the most evil spirit in the world, right,
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  Speaker 1: and so it kind of follows that and kind of
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  Speaker 1: explores that we had that as like a different idea
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  Speaker 1: on how to how to change that kind of bembst dynamic.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of being so romantic or you know that that
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing, it's more like perspective and personal stories,
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  Speaker 1: if that makes sense. And yeah, it kind of kind
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  Speaker 1: of drives like that. Figure two. Movement one is called
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  Speaker 1: Humanity's Last Breath. Now, that song, it's pretty long, it's
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  Speaker 1: like nine and a half minutes, pretty brutal. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like written as like a journal entry, kind of
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  Speaker 1: like as if someone had that happened to them, and
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  Speaker 1: it explores their kind of journey through rejection and their
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  Speaker 1: self healing and also like a massive event and kind
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  Speaker 1: of like I don't know, I find it hard to explain,
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  Speaker 1: but kind of you know, when you're writing in a journal,
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  Speaker 1: you're not supposed to read it. Other people aren't supposed
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  Speaker 1: to read It's just supposed to be like a throwaway thing.
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  Speaker 1: Well you're reading someone's you know, worst day, and they're
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, the song, the song gets pretty crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Figure figure three. I forget which one that is two seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Figure three is this is how freedom dies. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of people, we get a lot of really good feedback
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  Speaker 1: from that one. Yeah, basically we wanted people to be
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  Speaker 1: able to take it and think what they want for it.
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  Speaker 1: It should be your is this still happening to me?
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  Speaker 1: Why can't I get you know? Why am I not free?
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  Speaker 1: You know that kind of like entrapment kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: We wrote it before COVID. Wow, you know you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's not actually written for COVID.
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  Speaker 1: It's not. We were going to release a film clip
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  Speaker 1: to go with it that was kind of COVID based.
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  Speaker 1: Because we were all in remote areas. We thought, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it'd be cool to just like have everyone have their
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  Speaker 1: little COVID story on their mobile phone and like self
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  Speaker 1: record it and mash it up. But we really didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to like have that be the story. We wanted
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  Speaker 1: it to be like left open and people to kind
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  Speaker 1: of like make their own journey with that one. And again,
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  Speaker 1: it's just kind of a diary reading. It's like a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a rant people different anti things that like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to push my ideals on anyone, so
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  Speaker 1: it's like a little bit of like politics, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of asideal stuff. Yes, what people can take and
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  Speaker 1: do whatever with it. I did have fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, interpretation of the listener, you know, Yeah, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: And I noticed that there was a lot of storytelling
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  Speaker 3: in your songs as well, but it seems that the
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  Speaker 3: album itself is a story split into three obviously.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really cool.
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  Speaker 3: Where do you so, would you say you draw your
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  Speaker 3: inspiration from a lot of the old sort of Germanic
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  Speaker 3: stories or.
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  Speaker 1: Not really they're more personal stories. Yeah, and or like
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  Speaker 1: what if song Figure one from Movement Too is the
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  Speaker 1: Infallible Void, right, So our second single from the album,
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  Speaker 1: that one's like a mantra kind of like like, ah,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of going through losing your faith and then
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  Speaker 1: building yourself up through staring through the eye of the abyss,
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  Speaker 1: you know, reaching past your depression and kind of that
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  Speaker 1: kind of stuff and to reach nothingness kind of like
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  Speaker 1: a guided to it out into ascendence. And they've got
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  Speaker 1: Morgan Freeman's sample in there to kind of be the
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  Speaker 1: voice of God to help get you back out there
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  Speaker 1: and be your best self, you know. Uh. Figure figure
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  Speaker 1: two Movement two is foot Prints in the Sand of
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  Speaker 1: Time like that was an Egyptian mythos one, but uh,
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  Speaker 1: there's a couple of cool things that we did with it,
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  Speaker 1: Like so it's it's supposed to be the story of duality,
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  Speaker 1: do you do you know the concept of like just
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  Speaker 1: straight good and bad and kind of no gray area
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  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Right, Yeah, And then so we're trying
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the birth of that and used the
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  Speaker 1: story of Asirius and and that to be like kind
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  Speaker 1: of the birth of duality of religion and how that
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  Speaker 1: goes over time but through Asius a story. And so
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  Speaker 1: we basically use the Egyptian mythos to kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, how they weigh your soul in Egyptian mythology.
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  Speaker 1: I forget the name of the wayer, but you can
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  Speaker 1: also you know, you're weighing your soul and your good
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  Speaker 1: actions outweigh blah blah blah. Well there's also you know,
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  Speaker 1: seven spells to get yourself around that, and so each
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  Speaker 1: one of the verses is the seven spells from the
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  Speaker 1: thing to get yourself out of the weighing of your soul.
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  Speaker 1: But it also goes through time, so like Egyptian Roman
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  Speaker 1: world will two kind of to now. And yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was fun to kind of pull all that stuff together
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  Speaker 1: and make it into one big cohesive story. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: we play around a lot with with storytelling different ideas
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. The last single and last song on the
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  Speaker 1: album Move and two figure three, nocturn Immortalis. That song's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like a roundup of like all the songs,
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  Speaker 1: all the messages from all the other songs kind of
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  Speaker 1: tied together and trying to like advance on that as well.
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  Speaker 1: But like Nockturn, immortalis a nocturn is a song to
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  Speaker 1: be played at nighttime right and forever and to be
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  Speaker 1: immortal amongst the nighttime songwriters. It's also like a little
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  Speaker 1: bit vampiric. A lot of there's a lot of reference
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  Speaker 1: to uh, to the Nocturne immortalis in I think it's
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  Speaker 1: Aris did interview with the Vampire and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: There's a bit of that in there. Not that there's
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  Speaker 1: vampiric stuff in that song, but they talk about the
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  Speaker 1: song and and stuff like that, that that type of thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: But basically it rounds out that was the song that
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  Speaker 1: Darryl came in and tried it out on. It's actually
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  Speaker 1: an Inhuman Remnants song, so it's kind of a little
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  Speaker 1: different to the others, but it also showcases like like
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  Speaker 1: Darryl's entry into the into the thing and like the
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  Speaker 1: bigger version of the symphonic stuff, and German does a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of that more operatic vocal style, and we
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  Speaker 1: really get to kind of like showcase some shred, showcase
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  Speaker 1: some some really nice piano lines and and yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: really love the song. So so we stole it and
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  Speaker 1: put it on there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, why not?
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  Speaker 3: And it works especially with having you've got a few vocalists,
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  Speaker 3: but it's especially having a female vocalist against male vocalists.
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  Speaker 3: What's that like working with and putting all together? Like,
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  Speaker 3: did it just work from day one or was it
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  Speaker 3: things you had to sort of sort out?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So with the early days before Scotti and gim
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  Speaker 1: came on, spend a lot of time with with with
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  Speaker 1: Zoe or Tetronova. She she was really instrumental in helping
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  Speaker 1: me get a better idea of how to prove I'd
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  Speaker 1: never worked with the lady vocalists before. Just being able
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  Speaker 1: to like work and and be figure out what different
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  Speaker 1: voices people have from a feminine perspective like that took
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  Speaker 1: a while for me to like just be able to
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  Speaker 1: mix it and make it sit level wise, there's a
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  Speaker 1: there's a few points on the album where it's still
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  Speaker 1: a little a little loud in the in the mixed master,
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  Speaker 1: but you know we're trying to trying to slam that
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  Speaker 1: with like a piece all male quiet. That was you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: real people recording in the room tunnel singing like we
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: had to the tunnel sing for the album. What else
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the heaps, trial and error and purpose, you know, you go,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: you go in whenever we're doing stuff, we go in.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: We're like, okay, I want to work on this song.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: What's the idea for the song? How can we make
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: that be that dynamic? What? What are the different voices
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: that you want to tell the story? Do you want
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: it to be? You know, happy, sexy loud? Are you angry?
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: What emotion? You know? Those kind of things all all
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: tie into what voice we're using and the tonality underneath
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the contrast and then being able to play with both
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: of those at the same time. It's it's super fun
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: for me. I just love that stuff.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: There's a lot that has gone into this album, as
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: you've already told us about, like from this the whole
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: story of it, and well different stories weaved in, and
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: then all the mixing and the vocals, Like you're right,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: you guys really have thought about every little thing it
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: seems that you guys have started. You guys started in Canberra.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: What's the metal scene like there?
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Camra is amazing? Yeah, I don't know. Have you been
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: here before?
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: My actually my family when they moved from overseas, they
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: grew up and lived in Canberra.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: So I spent a lot of time in Canberra.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, sweet. So you know, we've got a pretty thriving scene,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: got a bit of prestige here as well. You know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Met for the Brain was on here for many years.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Did you see that those guys won the award for
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: That's Australian Festival or something like that, for the for
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the Emperor I don't know, I forgive the award now, yeah,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah anyway. Yeah, so, like we've got
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: multiple generations of dudes within the scene and they all
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: love it and everyone kind of puts in, which is
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: kind of crazy. I'd only seen that in like the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: hardcore scene where you where you'd see like older fellas
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: helping the younger fellas out, kind of like bringing them
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: in and being like showing them business and stuff like
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: when I when I when I first moved here because
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a bay boy, right, so I from
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Bateman's I went to school there until I was sixteen
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: and then moved to Canberra to do UNI. Right, So
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: when I came here, like I've been coming down for
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: you years to go to metal for the brain, had
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: a pretty good idea that that was going to happen,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: and a lot of our bands from Bateman's Baby would
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: come and tour through here. So the smaller kiddier bands
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: in the aa scene, you know, like death metal and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: the AA scene is kind of kind of funny. The
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: hardcore scene in the aa A sides like crazy here.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: You know, there's been multiple underground venues with like you know,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: and then the over eighteen side of the metal stuff
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: is is awesome. You know. We've got the Basement, We've
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: got pot Belly, We've got the Transit Bar, we've got
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the A and U, the UC like they're all world
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: class venues. But like I love the Basement and and
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: always have gone. I worked there, you know what I mean.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: So it's like my little home away from home. The
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: new owners I call them care takers because you know,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: different different times people. They're now the current caretaker of
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the basement. Then they're doing an amazing job, you know,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: what I mean, like they've taken it. They've they've kept
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: it going through the middle middle of three big lockdowns
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and and still keeping it running and still still doing
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: everything to make them all seen in Canberra run well,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, all all the best of
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: those dudes. But there's also like I run a podcast
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: as well, so Canberra metal Heads. We also do shows
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: and promotion with Father Chapter for Maria, so South Coast
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: metal Heads, and we kind of like we we we
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: do shows here and there and kind of tour people
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: through and try try to do that stuff, you know,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: plus the record labels trying to give back. We kind
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: of focus on like artist development and like taking smaller,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: smaller bands and smaller artists and try try to like
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: build them up as as entities and help them with
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: their you know, PR look and sound and artists you know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: PR packs and kind of like the resume side, a
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: lot of business stuff that a lot of people don't
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: know about, you know what I mean, like A and R,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: how to deal with PR reps and who to talk to,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: how to get on shows like this, you know what
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, That's kind of what we do and kind
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: of help coach that and We know that we're a
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: feeder label. We don't have much money, but at least
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: we can try to help and build the community. Have
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: some people pass that on so that future people can
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you know, make something of it. Touring industry is hard.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, I was just going to say, well done that.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I'm so glad to hear that someone is. I know
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: there's people out there trying to do what you're doing
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: as well, but to hear you're doing it in a
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe more of a rural sort of setting
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: and really trying to push those smaller bands and that
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: it's still alive.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: There is just awesome to hear.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Well done it, thanks Feir.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's so important because, as you said, I mean,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: the industry here at the moment is very interesting, so
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: we all need all the help we can get, whether
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: that be artists and you know, publishers and all of
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: that so important. What bands do you draw inspiration from?
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: So heaps? You know, I've been through every genre of metal,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: like some of my favorite black metal bands like Old School,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: you know, Behemoth, Dim Dissection and Mortal kind of all
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: those kind of ones. I never really got into Cradle
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: of Filth myself, but other members of the band are
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: in the cradle of Filth and that kind of stuff.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I was in my black metal days. Immortal was my vibe,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: but newer stuff black metal wise, I really like Veilpenaf
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: and like some of that stuff. I'm really getting into
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: igor M and things like that Disembodied Iron that was
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: that was pretty cool to discover the other day. But
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: you know, death metal influences from like Mellow Death from
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: like the nineties. I came up through the you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Satanic panic and the whole black metal era, so like
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Opeth at the Gates, like the Haunted, you know, a
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of that stuff. Flesh Got Apocalypse, you know,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: cattle decapitation. Uh. And then I'm I'm a big grind fan,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: so I like Mortician and heaps of grind bands. But
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah, I won't I won't say bad swears
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: on your channel, but there's a heap of heap of
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: really brutal named bands that I probably shouldn't say. And
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: then you know, I go all the way into like death,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: death metal, death metal, being like DESI and like I'm
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: a massive tech deaf fan origin the Faceless, like Zene
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of Passage, Beneath the Massacre, like all that stuff's like
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I like the pinnacle of instrumentation, you know what I mean,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Like my whole life, I've sought to be the best musician.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I can be the best producer, I can be the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: best you know. Wherever I've reached it or not is
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: completely relevant. But I like versions of where we're leading
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: edge artistry in different things are and kind of follow that, yeah.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: And draw inspiration from a lot it sounds like.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like, of course I'm massive classically inspired as well.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: You know, Vivoldi, Bethoven, Mozart, I've got Mozart tatoo on
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: my hands, you know. Well it's the right fourth recoriem right,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: and you know, like I love that electronic music as well.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I haven't done so many so much more industrial or
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: electronic elements on the album. Yeah, just because I thought
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: that we were starting to reach the point of like
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: too much.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's something.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: There might be some hints in the next album, you
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. But like I like to keep
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: it a little bit more traditional instrumentation, right, and it'll
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: only be to add to that traditional instrumentation for this Bandah. Yeah,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: if people want to hear my electronic stuff. It's defficult
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: massive check it out. I was I was nineteen, I
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: was into electroc two.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: I think when you find your sound as well for
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: an album or a band at a certain time, and
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: you stick with that, I think that's the best thing
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: to do for that time, not trying to add a
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: whole bunch of different you know, genres and that.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so we're kind of like, there's only so
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: much layers you can have on the layer cake, and
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I think we got a lot on the layer cake already,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we're doing that. What else there's I could
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I could talk bands for ours man?
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, that's amazing and yeah, really indicative of
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: your intelligence as well, when you can listen to a
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: whole range of genres and not just.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Be picky and say no, I only like this, so
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I'm only going to try and do what this guy
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: does or whatever.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: It's Yeah, it's really awesome to have such a wide
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: range of interest in music. I think, is there any
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: festivals or tours you have your sights set on as
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: a band.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's heaps. We tried for Whack and I think
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: it was last year.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: My God, for.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: The Wacken Pan Camp. Yeah, yeah, we got we got
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: kicked off our heat, but that was like early stages
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: of us Foreman, and I was trying to I think
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: that was like our second show and trying to Like
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: half the guys in the band hadn't used any ears before, okay,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: and we just bought them and we hadn't really had
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: enough time to kind of I'm not saying that the
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: other band wasn't awesome, because they were fucking awesome. They
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: went on to win and go overseas, so like those
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: dudes deserved it. But for me at the show, I
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: was having troubles with my ears and they just get
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: popping out and popping out and I couldn't hear anything.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And anyway, we still made it through. It sounded really good.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I've got a recording of it somewhere, and you know,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: we did well. But trying to have silent stage and
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: ears and then not have ears. So we've worked on that.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: We're trying to get not so silent stage. Yeah, you know,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: but that's it's it's all a journey man. I'd love
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: to get to Blacken. You know. What's what's the one
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: in the Norman territory is that Blacken.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah set or is it? Yeah? No, I think it is.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'd love to go there. I'd love to get
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: to Tasmanian too. That is a dark mofo. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I'd love to play that. I've been overseas and been
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of concerts. Man wouldn't have been cool
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: to play like Walls of Deare for something like that.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know, high yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: we've got a few shows coming up at the end
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: of the year twenty seven, twenty eighth of December. We're
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: starting to get a little bit more into state, so
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: moving moving to sorry traveling to Melbourne and Adelaide for
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: the first time with this band. We're planned to do
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch more interstate stuff during the next year.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Kind of we're doing a hard push for the promo.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: So we get to Queensland, we'll get to w a.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Sydney is easy for us. We can do Sydney in
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: a night, you know what I mean, and be back
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: home and and not have to worry about hotels or
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that bigger expense, you know what I mean. The same
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: with like Woollongong or Bateman's Bay for us, that's a
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: we can do that and come home and not because
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: we're not we're not very rich and you know, we're
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: not making any money off it. Getting to further away
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: places is a little harder. And we're a seven things
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: band trying to find a time when seven people are
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: all free to go on tour for a couple of days. Yeah,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: it's pretty.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Hard, insane.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: And how does everyone like obviously, does everyone get along?
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Do they spend some time apart when it's needed, do
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: you guys talk about a lot of you know, the
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: inner workings of the band.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone gets along. We kind of we all met
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: through going through shows, so we all have a love
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: of metal. We all anytime there's a band on, we're
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: all at the show, you know what I mean. Most
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: of the time one of us is playing, you know
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: what I mean, in some band or another, you know
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: what I mean. So basically we're always out having fun people.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. That's the key to a long lasting band,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, you know, we we do have a little
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: bit of turnover in the band, like you know, but
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: it's more it's never like anything crazy negative or whatever.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: It's more like, hey, I've got to go away for
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: a little while for family, or I've got UNI, or
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I've got this new job that's like hectic. I'm sorry,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I can't you know. Yeah, that's I think that that's
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: more more beneficial for the band. Like if people can't
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: stay with a commitment, then hey, the earlier that you
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: can let someone know. We're all we all know that
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: this is kind of like a built up thing. If
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: you're holding other people back, then then you know, tell
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: them as soon as you can so that you can
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: let them be free and get new people in to
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: keep pushing forward. Otherwise you're holding your friends back.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. That's exactly right.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: And it'll never work if you guys can't communicate. And yeah,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: is there anything sorry? What's next for Project Ultimate Satan?
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Are you guys going?
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, we've been working on the new album
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: for like two years, two and a half years now,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: so it's nearly finished. I think we spent like a
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: year on the orchestration on this one, so like it's
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: a lot bigger and more uh what would you say,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: like more thought of and like thought out and and
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: well much better composition, and we've also figured out how
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: to make it sit properly. You know. It's kind of
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: two years later and we've been working on it, and
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: now it's kind of coming to a point where we're
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: pretty happy with how the orchestra sits and how the
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: new sound flows and and people offering in the vocals.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: We know what we what we want to do, and
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: so the new album is going to be awesome. It's
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: a little bit heavier on the on the more brutal
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: side than the last one, a little bit less black metal,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: but you know, uh, we'll see. I might add in
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: a second guitar part and extend the songs out by
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: five minutes each.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: It's going to be a long album.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we'll see the new albums a bit. All
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the songs are a bit shorter, they're more like four
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: and a half five minute songs, but they kind of
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: flow together. So it's still one piece, you know. But
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: we want a tour. We want to promote this album.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: That's our next twelve month goal is to try and
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: get that that touring thing happening and getting that that
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: ball rolling and then following it up with the new
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: album straight away. You know, there's not much much else
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I can I can foresee for that besides more record
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: and more releases, more more of the same, because it's
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: a passion for me and for the band, and you know,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: everyone loves it. We try to get out as much
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: as we can, but we're also trying to record as
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: much as we can, so we'll see how it equals out.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that's awesome.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Just get out as much as you can and yeah,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: record what you can and yeah, no, it's so exciting.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Is there anything else you'd like.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: To say or add or talk maybe to your new
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: fans or even older fans.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I'd just like to thank everyone that's been checking it out,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: and for people like yourself that are giving us a
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: place to talk about it and really appreciate it. Anyone
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: who's been giving us great feedback. Thank you, any new
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: new like people that are like minded that that are
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: liking the album. I don't like to use the word fans,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: so you know, I like like minded people come up
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and say gooday at a show, come and like I
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: like to meet people and talk metal and talk philosophy
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: and talk stuff, So come and say hi to show
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you know, we don't buy it hard unless you want to.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: But basically, thanks everyone, and thank you for having us on.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Oh you're so welcome. I'm just we're going to see
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: so much more of you guys, and you yourself. You're already.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Like I think when people look at bands, they just think, oh,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: you know, they're just musicians, they just play music. But
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: you've proved that you're behind the scenes, just working as
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: hard for other bands, other smaller bands as well. Yeah,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: so it's you know, it'd be awesome if people just
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: went up to you and said hey, and then got
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: chatting about music and yeah, the inner workings of it.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: So well done. You can stream sent say Tanus on you.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I was going to say that wrong.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: You can stream the Tanis album. Now get behind this
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: up and coming Ossie death metal band playing live at
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Anti Christmas and a bloody good New Year December twenty
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: eighth at the Velvet Underground.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: And thank you so much for sitting down with us today.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: No worries