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Legally Brunette: Nancy Guthrie Updates, Taylor Frankie Paul & Corn Hole Murderer · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette.
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Speaker 2: But today it is.
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Speaker 1: Going to be a very special episode because we are
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Speaker 1: doing a combined episode of Legally Brunette plus Killer Thriller.
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Speaker 1: So today instead of Shane as my sidekick, we have
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Speaker 1: Alisa Donovan.
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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for being here today.
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: Actually, I just have to say before I go into
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Speaker 1: your bio a little bit. I am a child of
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Speaker 1: the nineties, so I grew up watching Clueless, and I
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Speaker 1: watched it. I don't know, I've probably seen it hundreds
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Speaker 1: of times. I even think I watched it the other night,
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Speaker 1: just saying in.
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Speaker 2: Bed, so could you just say she could be a
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Speaker 2: farmer in that outfit? Could you just do that please
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Speaker 2: for me?
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Speaker 3: She could be a farmer in those clothes.
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Speaker 2: That's not what I get a lot. So it's one
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Speaker 2: of my favorite line of people want you to say
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Speaker 2: when they.
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Speaker 3: Say they want me to say, my plastic surgeon doesn't
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Speaker 3: want me doing any activity where balls fly.
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Speaker 2: By my face. Right, right, that's a good way.
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Speaker 3: Which I didn't know what that joke meant when we.
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Speaker 2: Shot the right I didn't know you when you did that.
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Speaker 2: It was twenty two flying at your face.
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Speaker 3: I didn't know what the joke was, like, why everyone
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Speaker 3: thinks it's hilarious, And then sort of later in the shoot,
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Speaker 3: I was like.
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Speaker 2: Everyone thinks it's so funny.
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Speaker 1: Night. Well, anyway, I feel like I'm in the presence
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Speaker 1: of nineties icon right now, and thank.
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Speaker 2: You for being here.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so.
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Speaker 1: For over thirty years, Elisa Donovan has been a part
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Speaker 1: of multiple iconic pulp culture phenomena, known for her roles
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Speaker 1: and Clueless Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and Beverly Hills nine
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Speaker 1: oh two one zero, just to name a few. In
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Speaker 1: addition to your entertainment career, Alisa is passionate about supporting
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Speaker 1: women struggling with eating disorders and is an advocate of
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Speaker 1: spreading awareness and recovery. In February of twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 1: when President Joe Biden proclaimed National Eating Disorders Awareness Week,
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Speaker 1: Alisa was a panelist for the groundbreaking conversation with the
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Speaker 1: White House Assistant Secretary for her Health.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's exciting.
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Speaker 1: It was pretty so you've been invited to the White
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Speaker 1: House and you've been there at.
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Speaker 3: The United Nations. Actually, yeah, it was really something. Wow, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's very pretty amazing.
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Speaker 1: Alisa currently lives in San Francisco with her husband and daughter,
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Speaker 1: and right before we started this podcast, we were talking
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Speaker 1: about how we just realized that we both have thirteen
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Speaker 1: year old daughters, which is that's a whole nother part.
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Speaker 3: The easiest thing on earth. I don't know why anybody
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Speaker 3: thinks it's hard.
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Speaker 2: All right, It's so easy, so easy.
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Speaker 1: I actually think we could do an entirely different podcast
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Speaker 1: just on raising thirteen year old daughters.
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Speaker 3: I think that we could too. I think that we
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Speaker 3: could too.
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Speaker 1: So Alisa has a podcast called Killer Thriller, which is
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Speaker 1: on the legally Brunette feed. So why don't you tell
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Speaker 1: us a little bit about, like what's your passion with
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Speaker 1: true crime? How did you start this? What are some
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Speaker 1: of your favorite cases?
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Speaker 3: Yes, so, I am, you know, mildly, if not extremely,
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Speaker 3: fiercely obsessed with true crime, and I always have been,
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Speaker 3: and I think I am clearly not alone in that.
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Speaker 3: And to me, it's really I'm so fascinated by the
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Speaker 3: human condition and human behavior and how we get to
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Speaker 3: these extreme places like is it absolutely unimaginable? Or oh,
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Speaker 3: can you see how a person could get to X Y?
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Speaker 4: And Z.
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Speaker 3: So I've always looked at it from that perspective, and
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Speaker 3: then when we we thought about for this podcast, let's
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Speaker 3: talk about the narrative films and TVs that are based
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Speaker 3: on these real true crimes. So through the lens of
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Speaker 3: how do you tell a narrative story and do justice
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Speaker 3: and make you know, it seems to me that the
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Speaker 3: common thread from everybody that I've spoken with is that
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Speaker 3: what you ultimately want to do is tell the emotional
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Speaker 3: truth of the story. Whereas sometimes they will shift certain
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Speaker 3: facts just to move the story forward, but essentially you
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Speaker 3: want to keep the emotional truth. So I can't tell
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Speaker 3: you how much it's really been fun, and it's been
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Speaker 3: so fascinating.
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Speaker 1: What's a case that sticks out in your mind? What's
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Speaker 1: something because this is what I do, because this is
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Speaker 1: what we talk about. We talk about about true crime,
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Speaker 1: legal issues. You know, whatever's in mainstream media that people
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Speaker 1: are talking about currently that has to do with legal issues.
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Speaker 2: I lay in bed at night and think about it.
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Speaker 1: Oh, so, what's a case that just I mean, because
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Speaker 1: let's be honest, Karen Reid was in my mind for
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Speaker 1: a month's size.
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Speaker 3: And you know how I even heard about Karen Reid
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Speaker 3: was driving on the four or five and I see
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Speaker 3: people with signs that say free Karen Reid. Right, is
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Speaker 3: Karen Reid? I could not believe that. So I interviewed
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Speaker 3: Katie Cassidy, who plays Karen Reid in the Lifetime movie
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Speaker 3: I that whole thing. What I find so fascinating about
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Speaker 3: all of them, The one that really stays with me
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Speaker 3: is the Murdoch Murders.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Murdocks.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my god. So it's like the feeling of
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Speaker 3: the onion that just keeps going, and each thing that
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Speaker 3: happens is more unbelievable than the next. And how diabolical
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Speaker 3: this man was. And it's everything. It's narcissism, it's gaslighting,
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Speaker 3: it's utter violence, it's domestic like, it's it has everything
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Speaker 3: in it.
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Speaker 1: And to think how someone could murder not only their wife,
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Speaker 1: but their son, but their son, their son, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: It's so uh despicable. And I interviewed Mandy Mattney and
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Speaker 3: Liz Ferrell, who were the ones who started the podcast,
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Speaker 3: the Murdoch Murders Podcast, and they sort of like broke
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Speaker 3: the story. But Mandy also serves as an executive producer
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Speaker 3: of this Hulu series. So she was like this the
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Speaker 3: perfect guest because she could speak to both things.
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Speaker 1: Was that the recreation that they had actors right, So
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Speaker 1: that was the dramatization that far.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Patricia ourcat, you know.
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Speaker 2: What I have to say. I think that was very
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Speaker 2: well done. I liked it.
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Speaker 1: The only thing that bothered me so much was the
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Speaker 1: timeline they.
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Speaker 3: Threw the housekeeper.
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Speaker 2: Well, they threw the housekeeper into scenes, yes, where she
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Speaker 2: had already died.
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Speaker 3: So that and so bogged me.
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Speaker 2: So that part.
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Speaker 3: I didn't realize that until I did the research after
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Speaker 3: of the timing and that it was something that's one
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Speaker 3: of those things that they changed it because I think
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Speaker 3: she was already hadn't she already passed away by the
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Speaker 3: time certain things happened, But they wanted to be able
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Speaker 3: to tell the story in a continuous fashion that it
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Speaker 3: made sense for her to still be alive. But I
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Speaker 3: to me that that stood out also. But it didn't
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Speaker 3: bug me. It bothered you.
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Speaker 1: It bothered me because I felt like it took away
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Speaker 1: the credibility of the of the story and the facts.
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Speaker 1: Because to me, if you're watching it and you're aware
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Speaker 1: that they've thrown this housekeeper into stories where she was
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Speaker 1: already dead, but they had her continuing to have conversations
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Speaker 1: with the son and be involved in these scenes. And
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Speaker 1: it made me think, I don't know if I trust
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Speaker 1: you with your interesting and your credibility.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's a question that comes up. And I
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Speaker 3: know from what Mandy said, they wanted to make sure
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Speaker 3: they were establishing the relationship between the housekeeper and Paul
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Speaker 3: and that they had that like a real bond, so
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Speaker 3: that it would also sort of humanized him a little bit.
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Speaker 3: But also they tried to, you know, show things that
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Speaker 3: probably happened years before or months before it.
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Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, Well, let's move on into some current breaking news.
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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about Savannah Guthrie's Today's Show interview.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know if you had the opportunity to
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Speaker 1: watch it. I know it's a two parter. Savannah Guthrie
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Speaker 1: has spoken publicly for the first time with Hoda Cottby
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Speaker 1: following the disappearance of her mother, Nancy. On the Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: March twenty fifth broadcast of Today, Cotby revealed that she
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Speaker 1: recently conducted an extended interview with guth Three. Cottby said
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Speaker 1: that the discussion was deeply emotional for everyone involved, including
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Speaker 1: co host Craig Melvin, al Roker and Carson Daily. Before
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Speaker 1: sharing a clip, she explained that Guthrie used part of
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Speaker 1: the interview to appear directly to anyone who might have information.
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Speaker 2: Now, have you seen any of the clips?
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Speaker 3: I says, yes, I did not see the full thing,
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Speaker 3: but I saw clips of it.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: What's your takeaway on where we're at in this? I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's been fifty four.
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Speaker 2: Days at this point.
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Speaker 3: I first of all, it is just devastating to watch
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Speaker 3: anyone talk about someone who has the under these circumstances,
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Speaker 3: and I just see so much grief in her face
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Speaker 3: and the disbelief that this the I personally do not
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Speaker 3: understand why they have not found they have no. I
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Speaker 3: don't understand it it possible. I mean, in that video
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Speaker 3: of the perpetrator at the door is so haunting, and
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Speaker 3: so the security video. I just don't understand how you know.
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Speaker 1: And I also don't understand because I mean with the
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Speaker 1: whole ransom situation and the emails coming in and asking
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Speaker 1: for the money, It's like, I don't understand how in
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Speaker 1: this age what they did that forensics and all the
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Speaker 1: things that we can do and how we you know,
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Speaker 1: find like the Golden State killer after thirty years.
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Speaker 2: Because of forensics and everything.
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Speaker 1: How we have video of this man, How we have
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Speaker 1: emails coming in and asking for ransom money, and how
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Speaker 1: it's been fifty four days and.
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Speaker 3: There's nothing break, there's zero, right, they don't have anything.
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Speaker 2: Nothing, no information.
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Speaker 3: And then how she must feel to be so helpless, helpless,
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Speaker 3: like impotent to do anything, and that there's no I
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Speaker 3: just find it. I find it. So it's just devastating.
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Speaker 1: So in the excerpt, Guthrie, visibly emotional, says, quote, someone
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Speaker 1: needs to do the right thing. We are in agony.
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Speaker 1: We are in agony. It is unbearable. She went on
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Speaker 1: to describe the toll this situation has taken, adding I
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Speaker 1: wake up every night and in the darkness, I imagine
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Speaker 1: her tear.
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Speaker 2: But she needs to come home now. I thought that was.
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Speaker 1: Very poignant when she said that, because she's laying in
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Speaker 1: bed at night, in the.
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Speaker 2: Dark and visualizing what her mother went through.
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Speaker 1: She was woken up in the middle of the night
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Speaker 1: and kidnapped by someone, and there's blood on the porch
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Speaker 1: and the back doors open, and you know, it's so.
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Speaker 3: Awful, and I I would imagine you know she's doing
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Speaker 3: this because you've got to try everything you can, right,
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Speaker 3: and you don't know what is going to maybe touch
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Speaker 3: someone to say I do have some information or I
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Speaker 3: do Like you just don't know what it's going to be,
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Speaker 3: and I feel like it just takes so much. She
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Speaker 3: must just be exhausted, like utterly.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know the fact that someone out there
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Speaker 2: knows something. This could not have been poled off by
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Speaker 2: one lonely person.
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Speaker 1: There have to be other people involved in this. So
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Speaker 1: you know the fact that it's been fifty four days
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Speaker 1: that there's no further information, that someone hasn't come forward,
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Speaker 1: it's just.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting. Elizabeth Smart made a statement on this,
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Speaker 3: and we also in Killer Thriller, I interviewed Skeet Ulrich,
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Speaker 3: who plays her perpetrator in the movie that she Mary's called.
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Speaker 3: I'm Elizabeth Smart. She is an extraordinary human being. But
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Speaker 3: she I remember her statement pretty early ish on, maybe
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Speaker 3: it was like two weeks in or something, and she
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Speaker 3: said something to the effect of do not give up hope,
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Speaker 3: because you know she was gone for nine months. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and so she was saying things about the police are
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Speaker 3: doing everything they can, but it's really, the public and
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Speaker 3: the people that are around that can have some real impact.
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Speaker 3: So don't give up on this person. And it isn't
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Speaker 3: only the first forty eight hours, like you have to
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Speaker 3: keep searching.
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Speaker 1: Let's feel realistic for a second. It's been fifty four days.
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Speaker 1: She's an older woman, she needs medication, and she wasn't
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Speaker 1: in great health even I believe in the interview she
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Speaker 1: says something to the effect of her mom could barely
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Speaker 1: make it to the mailbox on some days.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I know ideal that she's still.
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Speaker 1: A happy ending in this situation, and I have to
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Speaker 1: say that, but I feel like at this point, I don't,
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Speaker 1: I don't.
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Speaker 3: I know, it doesn't look very encouraging.
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Speaker 1: Right, So let's talk about where Nancy Guthrie case is
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Speaker 1: at currently. We were just talking about how there isn't
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Speaker 1: a lot of new information and in recent weeks there
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Speaker 1: have been no substantial discoveries in this case. The Guthrie
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Speaker 1: siblings are continuing to release statements urging Arizona residents to
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Speaker 1: search their memories and thanking the public for their continuous prayers.
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Speaker 1: I mean, really, I feel like they've exhausted all possibilities.
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Speaker 1: The police have done all the forensics. Like, obviously their
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Speaker 1: hope at this point is that someone remembers something, sees something,
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Speaker 1: says something. Right, And that's the only way I think
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Speaker 1: it's going to be solved at this point.
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Speaker 3: Right, because where I just did they do? They have
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Speaker 3: no thought about where she would be. I just can't.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I find it so uh like discouraging
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Speaker 3: in general, Well, what is your.
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Speaker 2: Thought on I do believe?
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Speaker 1: Also in this interview, she does make reference to saying
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Speaker 1: that she believes that it might have something to do
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Speaker 1: with her, some type of stalking situation where someone has
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Speaker 1: an obsession with her, but then they can't get to her,
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Speaker 1: so the nearest thing they can think of is to
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Speaker 1: kidnap the mother and have and that's the way to.
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Speaker 2: Get at her.
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Speaker 1: And I can't imagine having that feeling, not only like
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Speaker 1: we talked about, laying in bed at night and thinking
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Speaker 1: this is about my mom, now thinking this happened to
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Speaker 1: my mother because of me and my public persona and
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Speaker 1: who I am, and then living with that.
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Speaker 3: Oh God, it's just so much to metabolize. And I
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Speaker 3: that was the first thing that I thought when I
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Speaker 3: heard about this was that they must be kidnapping her
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Speaker 3: for the financial gain that Savannah could give to that.
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Speaker 2: Like, that's to be connected in some way otherwise.
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Speaker 3: To be connected, why use this person in the middle
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Speaker 3: of nowhere exactly?
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Speaker 1: Sorry, Well, we will continue to follow the story, obviously,
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Speaker 1: we will hope for the best in this case. We
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Speaker 1: will let you know when we get any new updates.
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Speaker 3: I do hope that she feels I think she does
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Speaker 3: feel that, truly, like the whole nation is pulling for her,
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Speaker 3: and people really are. I think their hearts are really
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Speaker 3: with her, and I have to believe that that means something.
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Speaker 3: I really do think it does.
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Speaker 2: I think so all right, let's move on. If you
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Speaker 2: you would have to live under.
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Speaker 1: A rock to not know who Taylor Frankie Paul is
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Speaker 1: at this point in time and life. I can't even
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Speaker 1: pull up my phone without seeing her image.
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Speaker 2: She's everywhere everywhere.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about Taylor Frankie Paul's domestic violence allegations
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Speaker 1: and the Bachelorette. So back in February of twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 1: this was the initial incident. So Taylor Frankie Paul was
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Speaker 1: arrested in Utah after a violent altercation with her boyfriend
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Speaker 1: and baby daddy Dakota Mortenson, and I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Do you watch the.
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Speaker 1: Do not how the Mormon Housewives, The sacret Lives of
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Speaker 1: Mormon Wives. Okay, I did watch season one, and they
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Speaker 1: did showcase this domestic violence issue.
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Speaker 3: They did.
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Speaker 1: They showed some of the police bodycam footage. They talked
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Speaker 1: about it, but I feel like it was downplayed a lot.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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Speaker 3: So they knew about it and had some of it,
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Speaker 3: and they just continued with her rightway.
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Speaker 1: So then, according to court documents and this surface video
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Speaker 1: that has just magically appeared, did you see it?
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Speaker 2: I did see it.
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Speaker 1: So she threw metal chairs in a wooden place set
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Speaker 1: at him, and one object reportedly hit her young daughter,
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Speaker 1: who was present at the time. I believe she was
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Speaker 1: sitting if you watch the video, I think she was saying.
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Speaker 2: On the couch.
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Speaker 3: She's sitting on the couch.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think the difference between the weight of what she
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Speaker 1: did in twenty twenty three was in twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 2: That video was never released.
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Speaker 1: That's right, And I think it's very easy for people
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Speaker 1: to read, oh, domestic violence altercation. They show a little
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Speaker 1: bodycam footage of her talking to the police saying we
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Speaker 1: got in a fight, and I think people easily can.
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Speaker 2: Brush that off and move past it. Yep.
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Speaker 1: Once the video of that twenty twenty three incident came
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Speaker 1: out and you saw the full.
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Speaker 3: Feet, you cannot unsee it. It's so upsetting it as
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Speaker 3: a parent, as a human being, but especially as a mother,
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Speaker 3: I'm like you, she should be arrested. This is outrageous,
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Speaker 3: Like that person is unhinged.
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Speaker 2: And the fact that it wasn't just one chair, right, right,
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Speaker 2: that's right, it was.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Maybe I could give her the benefit of the
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Speaker 1: doubt and think, Okay, in that moment, you just you
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Speaker 1: lost your you lost your crap and you picked it
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Speaker 1: up and you threw it at him, and you didn't
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Speaker 1: immediately recoil and say.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't believe I acted like that.
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Speaker 1: You threw another chair and then you came at him again,
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Speaker 1: and then there's like a play set involved.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and you hear your child crying, but you're
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Speaker 3: still going to get another chair, Like I don't, I can't.
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Speaker 3: It seems very irredeemable, like she, I don't know how
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Speaker 3: she's gonna get past that.
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Speaker 1: Right, So then this is that twenty twenty three incident
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Speaker 1: she was charged with aggravated assault, domestic violence in the
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Speaker 1: presence of a child, child abuse, and other counts.
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Speaker 2: So then in August of twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1: Three, she enters a plea in abeyance to felony aggravated assaults.
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Speaker 1: If she complies with the conditions, which is probation treatment,
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Speaker 1: no new crimes, the charge can be reduced to a misdemeanor,
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Speaker 1: and the other charges were dismissed. And then, as we've
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Speaker 1: talked about, this video from the twenty twenty three incident
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Speaker 1: has resurfaced, or not resurfaced, it just surface which was
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Speaker 1: recorded by Dakota Mortenson and has been released. I assume
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Speaker 1: this was just my assumption because I think TMD maybe
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Speaker 1: was the first one to release think I assume that
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Speaker 1: he was just so over her that maybe was the
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Speaker 1: one that sent it to TM. Yes, because I know
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of speculation. Even some people were saying
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Speaker 1: maybe one of the other wives on the show were the.
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Speaker 2: Ones that released it.
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Speaker 1: You know, I mean, maybe in a show like that,
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Speaker 1: he sent it to them and said, is what I'm
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Speaker 1: dealing with.
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Speaker 2: I tried to get it, you know, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: My assumption was that it was happened.
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Speaker 3: That's one hundred percent what I assumed, right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I tell you, public perception of her, I
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Speaker 1: think really changed once that video was released, at least
18:14
Speaker 1: according to what I see without a doubt.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I also will I personally had never heard
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Speaker 3: of her before this, so I didn't know anything about it.
18:21
Speaker 3: And then I went and immediately, initially you think a
18:26
Speaker 3: woman accused of domestic violence, I always question it and say,
18:31
Speaker 3: what did he do first to make her do this?
18:34
Speaker 3: You know, and even when you watch the video, if
18:37
Speaker 3: it didn't go the way it went, I might have
18:40
Speaker 3: continued to think that you know that he has that
18:43
Speaker 3: he was like provoking her into doing something he's gastling.
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Speaker 3: But then when you see what actually happens, I went,
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Speaker 3: oh my god.
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Speaker 2: Well, her level of aggression is unreal.
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Speaker 3: No, it's unreal.
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Speaker 1: And can't explain it away, you can't make excuses for it.
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Speaker 2: There were multiple times where she just it just walked away.
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Speaker 3: He stopped, and then goes at him, comes back, it,
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Speaker 3: thinks about it and does it again.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, it's it's so egregious to look
19:10
Speaker 1: at and it's so awful. So that same day ABC
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Speaker 1: pulled the plug on Taylor's season of the Bachelorette, which
19:16
Speaker 1: was set to air just three days later on March
19:18
Speaker 1: twenty second. ABC is allegedly losing between thirty and seventy
19:23
Speaker 1: million dollars after this cancelation. In addition, filming for season
19:27
Speaker 1: five of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives was paused
19:30
Speaker 1: as Taylor's co stars refuse to film with her. So
19:35
Speaker 1: do you watch the Bachelor Bachelorette series?
19:37
Speaker 3: They don't watch it.
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Speaker 2: I'm too old to watch it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I just can't.
19:42
Speaker 2: I just can't either. I don't sorry, I don't.
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Speaker 3: Mean any judgment, no judgment, judgement island.
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Speaker 2: I don't watch it. You don't watch I feel like
19:48
Speaker 2: I'm just too old to stuff.
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Speaker 3: Clearly like too depressing.
19:51
Speaker 2: Clearly we're watching true crime.
19:53
Speaker 3: We don't exactly we're watching the aftermath the Bachelor.
19:57
Speaker 1: You know what bothers me though the Bachelor att was
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Speaker 1: well aware of these incidents.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is what I was going to say. Listen,
20:03
Speaker 3: I've done one reality well two in my life. Well,
20:07
Speaker 3: I did the Worst Cooks of America show, right, the
20:10
Speaker 3: celebrity version. I'll bele from the over for dinner. So
20:14
Speaker 3: I actually am a great cook. But so that show,
20:19
Speaker 3: they do background checks on you, They do like I
20:23
Speaker 3: not only did I have it, like a psychological interview
20:26
Speaker 3: my husband. Yes, they do all of these things. So
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Speaker 3: there is no way that they were unaware this tape.
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Speaker 3: They knew, and they just said we're going to shut it.
20:38
Speaker 1: Down, right, And then when that video got released, they
20:40
Speaker 1: were like, now you can't talk your way out of
20:44
Speaker 1: this one, so we just have to cancel it.
20:46
Speaker 3: I just can't understand why would they choose of all
20:48
Speaker 3: the people there were other people they could choose to
20:51
Speaker 3: be the bachelor? Like why her?
20:52
Speaker 2: I don't know.
20:53
Speaker 1: And she clearly still had ties to Dakota because he
20:56
Speaker 1: even talks about in an interview or something that they
20:58
Speaker 1: had sex right the night before she left to go
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Speaker 1: film The Bachelorette.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, So it's like, what were you thinking?
21:05
Speaker 2: Can you know? I don't know.
21:06
Speaker 1: I don't see a future for this franchise at this point,
21:08
Speaker 1: but we will see what happens. All right, Let's move
21:19
Speaker 1: on to this story that I find extremely interesting.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is first of all, have do
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Speaker 2: you know what corn hole is? Let's let's start there.
21:32
Speaker 3: Let's start there. I do know what cornhole is, because
21:35
Speaker 3: we do have friends with homes in Sonoma and NAPA,
21:38
Speaker 3: and I got a corn hole in the backyard. I
21:41
Speaker 3: do know what that is.
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Speaker 2: Okay. I didn't know that you could be a cornhole champion.
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Speaker 3: Well I didn't know that, Okay, Okay, to be fair,
21:48
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
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Speaker 1: And I guess the Cornhole Association is trying to get
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Speaker 1: into the Olympics.
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Speaker 2: I did not know that either, So all right, let's
21:56
Speaker 2: start there.
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Speaker 3: Not so good for that.
21:57
Speaker 1: This is a very interesting case. That is a recent
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Speaker 1: and the news. A professional cornhole player and also quadruple
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Speaker 1: amputee is accused of murder. So this is a young man.
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Speaker 1: He's twenty seven years old. He is a professional cornhole
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Speaker 1: player in the American Cornhole League and his name is
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Speaker 1: Dayton Weber. And he became widely known as a quadruple amputee,
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Speaker 1: which he lost.
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Speaker 3: So he lost means limbs, all limbs that were.
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Speaker 2: Lost as an infant.
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Speaker 1: I believe he had a severe blood infection, so all
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Speaker 1: limbs were removed. He gained attention for being highly independent.
22:32
Speaker 1: He drives, he competes in sports, and he even handles firearms.
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Speaker 1: Despite his disability. So I actually watched some videos of
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Speaker 1: him firing a nine milimeter How does this happen? To
22:46
Speaker 1: watch it three times so I can't figure it out.
22:48
Speaker 1: But he doesn't have fingers, so I was watching. I
22:51
Speaker 1: watched the video multiple times because I was trying to
22:53
Speaker 1: understand because it shows the gun popping off right right,
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Speaker 1: So I'm like, how is he pulling the trigger?
22:58
Speaker 2: But somehow he's able to pull the trigger. Wow.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, so we know that he can fire a fire arm. Okay,
23:05
Speaker 1: so let's talk about what allegedly happened. Is this has
23:07
Speaker 1: happened recently. On March twenty second, Weber was driving a
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Speaker 1: car a car in Charles County, Maryland with three other people,
23:15
Speaker 1: so I believe he had his friend with him in
23:17
Speaker 1: the front seat, and then he stopped and two other
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Speaker 1: people I think they worked together or something, jumped into
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Speaker 1: the backseat.
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Speaker 2: So then there's four people in the car that're driving along.
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Speaker 1: A police say that Weber, the ampute that's driving, got
23:32
Speaker 1: into a very heated argument with this front seat passenger.
23:35
Speaker 1: And this man's name is Bradrick Michael Wells. I guess
23:39
Speaker 1: it was so heated that he while he's driving reaches over,
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Speaker 1: shoots and gets a gun and picks him.
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Speaker 2: A gun and shoots him twice in the head while he's.
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Speaker 3: Driving at extraordinarily close range. Yes, and did they not
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Speaker 3: even get in a car extit? There was no leg.
23:56
Speaker 2: Nor I think he was the time.
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Speaker 1: Then I believe he asked so the two witnesses in
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Speaker 1: the back, he asked them to get the guy out
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Speaker 1: of that he just killed, because he died from the
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Speaker 1: shooting in the.
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Speaker 3: Car, to clean him out.
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Speaker 1: He asked them to get him out of the car.
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Speaker 1: Can you remove this guy from the car? They were like,
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Speaker 1: they jump out of the car and then flag down
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Speaker 1: a police officer and tell the police what happened.
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Speaker 3: So, this is the craziest story ever. This is insane.
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Speaker 1: So he then he drives on with the dead body
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Speaker 1: in his car in the front seat, and then I
24:33
Speaker 1: allegedly dumps the body just on like the side of
24:36
Speaker 1: the road somewhere.
24:38
Speaker 3: This is uh madness, like this is and where? And
24:42
Speaker 3: so they did catch him, right they did? So.
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Speaker 1: Investigators say that he drove off with the body still
24:48
Speaker 1: in the car, and the victim was later found dumped
24:51
Speaker 1: in a yard in Maryland somewhere. And then he was
24:54
Speaker 1: tracked to Charlottesville, Virginia. Oh, he was found at a
24:58
Speaker 1: hospital seeking treatment. But I don't understand how injured.
25:02
Speaker 3: Right, because I mean maybe getting the guy out of
25:04
Speaker 3: the car. It could be like a multitude of things.
25:08
Speaker 1: So he got injured somehow badly enough that he felt
25:11
Speaker 1: like he needed to go to the hospital and have
25:13
Speaker 1: his injuries looked at.
25:17
Speaker 3: I don't know. And now he's in custody.
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Speaker 2: Correct, he is in custody.
25:20
Speaker 1: Yes, So he was arrested at the hospital and he
25:25
Speaker 1: was arrested as a fugitive.
25:26
Speaker 2: But you know, I mean, I mean these.
25:30
Speaker 3: This is again, I don't you know. I can't wait
25:33
Speaker 3: for the movie about this one because this is really
25:36
Speaker 3: I'm saying, you can't even make it up.
25:39
Speaker 1: This is a TV movie, this is a documentary. This
25:42
Speaker 1: is something because it's the whole thing about his life.
25:46
Speaker 2: And then the corn Hole and the corn Hole champion a.
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Speaker 3: Person to achieve so much, which it sounds like he
25:53
Speaker 3: did to throw it all away in this way, Like
25:57
Speaker 3: I just I don't I find it so fascinating, Like
26:01
Speaker 3: how do you this man has had to work so
26:02
Speaker 3: hard in his life to do anything, so many things,
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Speaker 3: overcome so many things, I know, and it's like it
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Speaker 3: does he just furious? What did they fight about?
26:12
Speaker 2: That's my question too, That is the million.
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Speaker 3: Dollar question from the guys in the back seat.
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Speaker 2: No, I want to know that. What was the argument about?
26:19
Speaker 2: And why are you driving around with a nine millimeter
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Speaker 2: in your car? All of it just it must have
26:25
Speaker 2: just been laying right there, easily accessible to I don't
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Speaker 2: even know.
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Speaker 1: All right, So he is expected to face charges including
26:32
Speaker 1: first degree murder, second degree murder, and use of a
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Speaker 1: firearm and a felony.
26:38
Speaker 2: Well you know the first degree murder. Though first degree.
26:40
Speaker 1: Murder is premeditated, so I don't really understand the first Yeah,
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Speaker 1: what would how?
26:44
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think that one's really to me.
26:47
Speaker 1: It seems like a heat of the moment type of thing,
26:48
Speaker 1: other than he did have the gun in the vehicle.
26:51
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
26:52
Speaker 1: We just need more facts. We need to know the conversation,
26:54
Speaker 1: We need to know the argument. How long was he
26:56
Speaker 1: in the car?
26:56
Speaker 3: I don't know, right, So maybe they do that because
26:58
Speaker 3: they can. If the gun was already in there, then
27:01
Speaker 3: it could be considered previnisa.
27:04
Speaker 2: So let's just throw everything at him possible, just and
27:08
Speaker 2: go from there. So it has been so fun talking
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Speaker 2: to you. I hope you get to do this again.
27:13
Speaker 2: I hope you do too.
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Speaker 1: I would love to discuss more cases and get your
27:17
Speaker 1: thoughts and.
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Speaker 4: I love it so I would love to do that,
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Speaker 4: all right, So guys, please be sure to listen to
27:22
Speaker 4: Killer Thriller with Alisa Donovan and tell me your thoughts
27:26
Speaker 4: and tell us what cases you want us to discuss.
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Speaker 2: I'd love to hear all the things.
27:31
Speaker 1: And if you have more information about the Cornhole player,
27:33
Speaker 1: please send me a DM because I really feel like
27:36
Speaker 1: I need to fill in some blanks.
27:38
Speaker 3: Then sort of info.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I would love that.
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