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- 0:03Speaker 1: Behind the electrical panel on Aldgate's Circle, tucked flat against
- 0:07Speaker 1: the back wall of the breaker box, there was a
- 0:10Speaker 1: laminated card. It was dry, no corrosion, no dust. Someone
- 0:15Speaker 1: had placed it there carefully, deliberately, and no licensed contractor
- 0:20Speaker 1: had opened that panel in more than two years. The
- 0:23Speaker 1: card contained two columns of numbers, routing codes, and nine dates,
- 0:28Speaker 1: and it would become States Exhibit fourteen in a criminal
- 0:31Speaker 1: trial that nobody saw coming. The man who owned that
- 0:35Speaker 1: house had no idea the card existed. He had no
- 0:39Speaker 1: reason to check. The charge of financial elder abuse was
- 0:42Speaker 1: applied despite Scott being fifty three years old under the
- 0:46Speaker 1: statute's age threshold. A project manager at Dellwood Agricultural for
- 0:51Speaker 1: twenty six years, the kind of employee who showed up,
- 0:55Speaker 1: did the work and planned quietly for the future. His
- 0:58Speaker 1: house on Aldgate's Circle was paid off. He had a
- 1:01Speaker 1: brokerage account he had never touched. His pension was three
- 1:05Speaker 1: years away. He had a dog named Bucket, no close
- 1:09Speaker 1: family near by, a regular Wednesday table at Roper's Diner
- 1:13Speaker 1: on Clement Street, where the server Patrese already had his
- 1:17Speaker 1: order memorized before he sat down. His life was stable,
- 1:22Speaker 1: legible and entirely his own. Then in the span of
- 1:26Speaker 1: twenty months, it was not. By the time Scott understood
- 1:30Speaker 1: what had happened to him, his brokerage account had been
- 1:34Speaker 1: drained from more than two hundred thousand dollars to eleven thousand.
- 1:38Speaker 1: He had accepted a voluntary demotion at the job he
- 1:41Speaker 1: had worked for over two decades. He was three weeks
- 1:45Speaker 1: into a divorce he did not want, and the attorney
- 1:48Speaker 1: representing his wife in that divorce had known about him,
- 1:52Speaker 1: his assets, his accounts, his address more than seven months
- 1:57Speaker 1: before Scott ever met her. What invests theigators would eventually
- 2:01Speaker 1: reconstruct was not a crime of opportunity. It was a design.
- 2:06Speaker 1: There is something about this case that still resists easy framing.
- 2:10Speaker 1: The question at the center of it is not just
- 2:12Speaker 1: what was stolen. The question is how thoroughly one man's
- 2:16Speaker 1: sense of his own reality was taken apart before he
- 2:20Speaker 1: ever noticed the first piece was missing. To understand what
- 2:23Speaker 1: made Scott O'Brien a target, you have to start with
- 2:26Speaker 1: what made him look from a certain angle, like someone
- 2:29Speaker 1: with everything to lose and no one paying close attention.
- 2:33Speaker 1: He had worked at Dellwood Agricultural since his late twenties,
- 2:37Speaker 1: twenty six years in the same company, the same county,
- 2:41Speaker 1: the same role. He was a project manager, which in
- 2:44Speaker 1: the agricultural sector meant long stretches of steady, unglamorous coordination,
- 2:50Speaker 1: supply chains, equipment schedules, seasonal logistics. His colleagues described him
- 2:56Speaker 1: as dependable. He was not flashy. He did not broadcast
- 2:59Speaker 1: his life finances. That brokerage account had been accumulating for years,
- 3:04Speaker 1: he had never withdrawn from it. His house at Aldgate
- 3:07Speaker 1: Circle had been mortgage free since two thousand and nine.
- 3:11Speaker 1: He was, by any reasonable measure, quietly solvent in a
- 3:15Speaker 1: way that did not advertise itself. The Wednesdays at Roper's
- 3:19Speaker 1: were part of the texture of his week. Patrice, who
- 3:22Speaker 1: had worked the morning shift at that diner on Clement
- 3:24Speaker 1: Street for years, knew his order without being asked. She
- 3:28Speaker 1: had it written on a laminated card tucked inside the register.
- 3:32Speaker 1: He came in, she brought it. That was the deal.
- 3:36Speaker 1: His friend Doug Harmon, who had once worked alongside him
- 3:39Speaker 1: at Dellwood before relocating east in the state, said later
- 3:43Speaker 1: that Scott was the kind of person who found a
- 3:46Speaker 1: rhythm and stayed in it. Phil Accosta, his neighbor on
- 3:49Speaker 1: Aldgate's circle said roughly the same thing. Scott had no
- 3:54Speaker 1: close family nearby that detailed manners. It meant his social
- 3:58Speaker 1: world was relatively small. A few colleagues, a neighbor, an
- 4:02Speaker 1: old friend a few hours away. There was no one
- 4:06Speaker 1: position to watch his decisions from close range. Over time.
- 4:11Speaker 1: His medical records from a visit in May of twenty
- 4:14Speaker 1: fourteen would later describe him as flattened. That word from
- 4:19Speaker 1: the clinical notes of his physician, doctor an Cho, would
- 4:23Speaker 1: eventually find its way into the investigative find At the
- 4:26Speaker 1: time of that appointment, the dismantling was already well under
- 4:30Speaker 1: when in the fall of twenty twelve, Scott attended a
- 4:33Speaker 1: company picnic at Delwood. It was there that he met
- 4:36Speaker 1: Renee Caldwell. She was warm, engaged, and easy to talk to.
- 4:42Speaker 1: He was introduced to her the way people get introduced
- 4:45Speaker 1: at company events, casually, without ceremony. They exchanged numbers, they
- 4:51Speaker 1: started seeing each other. What Scott did not know, and
- 4:54Speaker 1: would not learn for nearly two years, was that at
- 4:57Speaker 1: least one person in Mercer County already knew exactly who
- 5:01Speaker 1: Scott O'Brien was, his address, his assets, the structure of
- 5:05Speaker 1: his financial life before that introduction ever happened. According to investigators,
- 5:11Speaker 1: a record search of Scott's assets had been executed through
- 5:14Speaker 1: a commercial data broker in July of twenty twelve, three
- 5:19Speaker 1: months before the picnic. The search was traceable, and the
- 5:22Speaker 1: person who ran it was not Renee Caldwell. The person
- 5:26Speaker 1: who ran that search was Wayne Anderson. Anderson was forty
- 5:31Speaker 1: eight years old and had practiced family law in Dellwood
- 5:35Speaker 1: for seventeen years. His office was on the fourth floor
- 5:38Speaker 1: of the Meridian Building. Colleagues described him as thorough. That
- 5:43Speaker 1: word would take on a different weight later. He had
- 5:47Speaker 1: met Renee Caldwell at a fundraiser in the spring of
- 5:49Speaker 1: twenty twelve, through a mutual acquaintance, at an event that
- 5:53Speaker 1: left no paper trail of its own. According to investigators,
- 5:57Speaker 1: Renee was in financial distress at the muse time. That
- 6:01Speaker 1: detail appears in a written report by a licensed investigator
- 6:05Speaker 1: named Gail Smith, who would enter this story much later.
- 6:09Speaker 1: What the record shows is that by July of twenty twelve,
- 6:13Speaker 1: Anderson had already pulled Scott's financial profile. He knew about
- 6:17Speaker 1: the house on Aldgate's Circle, he knew about the brokerage account,
- 6:22Speaker 1: he knew the pension was three years out. The picnic
- 6:25Speaker 1: where Scott met Renee happened in October, three months after
- 6:29Speaker 1: the search. There is something else that happened in twenty twelve.
- 6:33Speaker 1: It happened before the picnic, before the data search, before
- 6:37Speaker 1: any of it touched Scott O'Brien directly. In March of
- 6:40Speaker 1: twenty twelve, a licensed electrical contractor named Craig Sutter came
- 6:46Speaker 1: to the house on Aldgate Circle. He was there on
- 6:49Speaker 1: a panel inspection. Sutter was Anderson's brother. The permit was filed.
- 6:55Speaker 1: The work order had Sutter's name on it. He accessed
- 6:58Speaker 1: the electrical panel, and according to the record, he also
- 7:01Speaker 1: accessed the router described in the work order note as
- 7:06Speaker 1: inspected and reset. When investigators later opened that panel, they
- 7:11Speaker 1: found something that had not been noticed in about two
- 7:15Speaker 1: and a half years. A laminated card placed deliberately behind
- 7:19Speaker 1: one of the breakers. Two columns, one side routing numbers,
- 7:25Speaker 1: the other nine dates running from a November to the
- 7:28Speaker 1: following August. The card was dry, no corrosion. It had
- 7:33Speaker 1: been placed there and left alone. Seven months before Scott
- 7:38Speaker 1: met Renee, someone had already been inside his house, inside
- 7:42Speaker 1: his network and had left a physical backup of financial
- 7:44Speaker 1: credentials in the one place no one would casually look.
- 7:48Speaker 1: Scott did not know Craig Sutter. He had no reason
- 7:52Speaker 1: to think the panel inspection was anything other than what
- 7:54Speaker 1: it looked like on paper. The marriage happened in September
- 7:58Speaker 1: of twenty thirteen. Andersen was not at the wedding. He had, however,
- 8:03Speaker 1: advised Renee three months before it operating under a different
- 8:07Speaker 1: firm name, on one specific question whether a prenuptial agreement
- 8:11Speaker 1: would be strategically advisable. His advice, according to the record,
- 8:16Speaker 1: was that it would not be. No prenup was signed
- 8:20Speaker 1: in the first four months of the marriage. Scott was
- 8:23Speaker 1: added as a joint signatory on two new accounts opened
- 8:26Speaker 1: in Renee's name. His existing brokerage account, the one that
- 8:31Speaker 1: had sat untouched, holding more than two hundred thousand dollars,
- 8:35Speaker 1: was moved to a different custodian during what was framed
- 8:38Speaker 1: to Scott as a routine financial consolidation. The signature authorizing
- 8:43Speaker 1: the transfer appeared on documents Scot signed. Investigators later noted
- 8:48Speaker 1: that those documents had not been read carefully. That is
- 8:52Speaker 1: not a criticism, it is a description of a person
- 8:55Speaker 1: who had no reason yet to read careful. The browser
- 8:59Speaker 1: reader Wrecked was installed on the home computer. It was
- 9:03Speaker 1: not sophisticated. It was a modification to the host's file, basic, durable,
- 9:09Speaker 1: nearly invisible in daily use. A service account had been
- 9:13Speaker 1: created fourteen months before the wedding. The account predated Renee entirely.
- 9:19Speaker 1: When Scott logged into what he believed was his brokerage portal,
- 9:23Speaker 1: he was looking at a static image of a former balance.
- 9:27Speaker 1: The real account was being drained at Roper's Diner on
- 9:31Speaker 1: Clement Street. Patrice, who had kept Scott's standing Wednesday order
- 9:36Speaker 1: on a laminated card inside the register, began to notice
- 9:39Speaker 1: he was coming in less Renee had described her as attached.
- 9:45Speaker 1: Scott stopped going as often. That was not a dramatic rupture.
- 9:50Speaker 1: It was a small erosion, the kind that does not
- 9:53Speaker 1: register as a loss until much later. A junior colleague
- 9:58Speaker 1: named Marcus Webb began in carrying versions of office conversations
- 10:02Speaker 1: back to Scott. Versions that did not quite match what
- 10:06Speaker 1: had been said, not fabrications that could be checked, distortions
- 10:11Speaker 1: enough to make Scott uncertain about what he had heard,
- 10:15Speaker 1: or whether he had heard it correctly. His sleep was
- 10:18Speaker 1: disrupted for approximately five months. Minor health complaints accumulated. He
- 10:25Speaker 1: attributed them to stress. In the spring of twenty fourteen,
- 10:29Speaker 1: Scott accepted a voluntary demotion. The framing, as he understood
- 10:33Speaker 1: it was about well being, stepping back from a demanding
- 10:37Speaker 1: role with the pension three years away. His income dropped
- 10:40Speaker 1: by roughly thirty percent. He was removed from the pension track.
- 10:45Speaker 1: That may, he visited doctor Ann Cho. Her clinical note
- 10:49Speaker 1: used the word flattened. In June of twenty fourteen, Renee
- 10:54Speaker 1: filed for divorce. The attorney she retained was Wayne Anderson
- 10:58Speaker 1: Jim Kowalski, Scott's divorce attorney. In the early weeks of
- 11:03Speaker 1: the case, Kowalski brought in a licensed investigator from Meridian Forensics,
- 11:08Speaker 1: a woman named Gail Smith. With one initial assignment traced
- 11:13Speaker 1: the movement of assets. It was a routine step and
- 11:16Speaker 1: a contentious divorce proceeding. Gail found the browser redirect in
- 11:20Speaker 1: her first week. That discovery changed the shape of everything.
- 11:25Speaker 1: What had looked like a divorce case was now something else.
- 11:28Speaker 1: Kowalski escalator and Gail kept working. She found Janet Briggs.
- 11:34Speaker 1: Briggs lived two counties north she had gone through a
- 11:38Speaker 1: divorce in twenty ten. Anderson had represented the opposing party
- 11:42Speaker 1: in that case, her ex husband. The ex husband's profile
- 11:46Speaker 1: was similar to Scott's. Stable income, paid off property retirement
- 11:51Speaker 1: savings within a few years of vesting. After the case concluded,
- 11:55Speaker 1: Anderson's firm had collected a finder's fee for the refer
- 12:00Speaker 1: Briggs had not connected those facts to each other, not
- 12:03Speaker 1: until Gayale called her. Briggs became a cooperating witness before
- 12:07Speaker 1: Anderson's arrest. There is one more piece. Three weeks before
- 12:12Speaker 1: Renee filed for divorce, Anderson met informally with Travis Odom,
- 12:18Speaker 1: a paralegal at Kowalski's firm, at a bar. The meeting
- 12:22Speaker 1: was later examined closely. According to Odam's statement, and according
- 12:27Speaker 1: to the record, no privileged information was transferred, But the
- 12:31Speaker 1: timing of that meeting, set against everything else in the file,
- 12:35Speaker 1: gave investigators a specific question to carry forward. In the
- 12:39Speaker 1: third week of September two thoy fourteen, a utility lineman
- 12:44Speaker 1: named Curtis Henderson, nineteen years on the job in Mercer County,
- 12:49Speaker 1: was running a maintenance inspection in the neighborhood. He opened
- 12:53Speaker 1: the panel at the house on Aldgate's Circle. He found
- 12:56Speaker 1: the laminated card. He photographed it with his phone. That
- 13:00Speaker 1: photograph became States Exhibit fourteen. The search warrant for Anderson's
- 13:04Speaker 1: office was executed in October of twenty fourteen. He was
- 13:08Speaker 1: arrested the following week. The record is clear about what happened.
- 13:13Speaker 1: The question it does not fully answer, and this is important,
- 13:17Speaker 1: is the exact nature of Renee Caldwell's role picture the fundraiser.
- 13:22Speaker 1: In spring of twenty twelve, Anderson meets a woman in
- 13:25Speaker 1: financial distress. At some point in that conversation or in
- 13:30Speaker 1: the ones that followed, a direction was established. What investigators
- 13:34Speaker 1: could show is what Renee did. What they could not
- 13:38Speaker 1: fully establish is the precise point at which she understood
- 13:41Speaker 1: the full architecture of what she was participating. In. One
- 13:45Speaker 1: version of events, Renee was a co architect from nearly
- 13:49Speaker 1: the beginning. The financial distress gave her motive, the plan
- 13:53Speaker 1: gave her a path out under this reading, her behavior
- 13:57Speaker 1: during the marriage, the isolation of Scott from the tray
- 14:00Speaker 1: Preest's diamond, the use of Marcus Webb to distort office conversations,
- 14:04Speaker 1: the framing of the demotion as a wellness decision reflects deliberate,
- 14:09Speaker 1: coordinated action. Every move was a function of the plan,
- 14:13Speaker 1: but that version strains against something in the record. The
- 14:17Speaker 1: browser redirect service account predated Renee's involvement by over a year.
- 14:22Speaker 1: The laminated card in the panel predated the relationship by
- 14:26Speaker 1: seven months. The financial infrastructure the LC in another state,
- 14:31Speaker 1: its registered agent listed under the maiden name of Andersen's mother,
- 14:35Speaker 1: traceable only through a bar association filing seventeen years old
- 14:40Speaker 1: that was not built in response to meeting Renee. It
- 14:43Speaker 1: existed before she entered the picture, which suggests a different
- 14:47Speaker 1: reading that Anderson had a system and Renee was recruited
- 14:51Speaker 1: into it, that her financial distress made her recruitable, and
- 14:55Speaker 1: that her knowledge of the full scope evolved or was
- 14:58Speaker 1: managed over time. Her cooperation agreement reached before trial and
- 15:02Speaker 1: her testimony against Anderson were consistent with someone providing substantive
- 15:07Speaker 1: information from the inside. The prosecution used her account to
- 15:11Speaker 1: establish the sequencing of events that the physical evidence alone
- 15:14Speaker 1: could not supply. The jury deliberated for two days. They
- 15:19Speaker 1: convicted Anderson on every charge. Renee received a suspended sentence
- 15:24Speaker 1: and three years of probation. What Anderson said four years later,
- 15:29Speaker 1: in a recorded statement given to a journalist after his
- 15:32Speaker 1: second appeal was denied. Was this He confirmed the sequence,
- 15:36Speaker 1: he confirmed the structure. He expressed no apparent remorse. The
- 15:41Speaker 1: relevant statute carried broad language, and the court allowed the
- 15:44Speaker 1: charge to proceed. Prosecutor Helen Park made the argument that
- 15:49Speaker 1: the targeting of someone's proximity to retirement, the deliberate removal
- 15:54Speaker 1: of the pension track, the draining of the brokerage account
- 15:57Speaker 1: to eleven thousand dollars from over two hundred thousand fit
- 16:01Speaker 1: the statute's intent, regardless of the technical age threshold. The
- 16:05Speaker 1: court agreed. Scott's divorce proceeding was suspended the week Anderson
- 16:10Speaker 1: was arrested. Jim Kowalski withdrew from the case shortly after,
- 16:14Speaker 1: citing the conflict created by defense. The file was referred
- 16:19Speaker 1: to another firm. The house on Aldgate's Circle was still Scott's.
- 16:23Speaker 1: The pension clock had not fully stopped. Three years remained
- 16:26Speaker 1: on the original track before Delwood adjusted his status, but
- 16:29Speaker 1: the voluntary demotion he had accepted in the spring of
- 16:32Speaker 1: twenty fourteen had already removed him from that track. The
- 16:37Speaker 1: income reduction of roughly thirty percent stayed in place. What
- 16:41Speaker 1: had been methodically positioned as a biographic fact about Scott,
- 16:45Speaker 1: a man who chose to step back, who decided to simplify,
- 16:48Speaker 1: was now visible as something else entirely. The brokerage account
- 16:52Speaker 1: that Deborah Holt had flagged, the one that had sat
- 16:55Speaker 1: untouched for years before the marriage, had been drawn from
- 16:59Speaker 1: over two high hundred thousand dollars down to eleven thousand.
- 17:03Speaker 1: The money moved through accounts that no longer existed under
- 17:07Speaker 1: their original names, through a pass through entity, and into
- 17:11Speaker 1: an LLC registered in another state. The registered agent was
- 17:15Speaker 1: listed under the maiden name of Anderson's mother. Investigators traced
- 17:19Speaker 1: it through a bar association application Anderson had filed seventeen
- 17:23Speaker 1: years earlier. A single line in a document almost nobody
- 17:27Speaker 1: looks at that is where the money went. Anderson appealed
- 17:30Speaker 1: his conviction twice. The first appeal was denied, the second
- 17:35Speaker 1: was denied in two thousand eighteen. After the second denial,
- 17:39Speaker 1: he gave a recorded statement to a journalist. He confirmed
- 17:43Speaker 1: the sequence, He confirmed the structure of the scheme. He
- 17:47Speaker 1: expressed no apparent remorse. Janet Briggs, the woman two Counties
- 17:52Speaker 1: North whose divorce in twenty ten had followed a similar pattern,
- 17:57Speaker 1: whose former husband carried a profile similar to Scott, and
- 18:00Speaker 1: whose connection to Anderson had generated a finder's fee routed
- 18:04Speaker 1: through his firm, had not connected the facts until Gale
- 18:08Speaker 1: Smith's investigation surfaced them. She became a cooperating witness before
- 18:13Speaker 1: Anderson's arrest. Her testimony established that what happened to Scott
- 18:18Speaker 1: was not a first attempt, It was a refinement. Craig Sutter,
- 18:22Speaker 1: Anderson's brother in law, had placed that laminated car behind
- 18:26Speaker 1: the breaker panel in March of twenty twelve. The card
- 18:30Speaker 1: sat undisturbed for about two and a half years. No
- 18:33Speaker 1: licensed contractor opened that panel between Sutter's visit and the
- 18:38Speaker 1: Tuesday in the third week of September twenty fourteen, when
- 18:41Speaker 1: Curtis Henderson photographed it with his phone, states Exhibit fourteen.
- 18:47Speaker 1: The electrical permit from March twenty twelve carried Sutter's name.
- 18:51Speaker 1: The assets search on Scott was executed in July twenty twelve.
- 18:56Speaker 1: Anderson and Renee met in the spring of two thousand twelve.
- 19:00Speaker 1: The timeline does not have gaps, it has sequence. There
- 19:04Speaker 1: is a specific quality to what was done to Scott
- 19:06Speaker 1: O'Brien that makes this case difficult to set down. It
- 19:11Speaker 1: was not chaos, It was not impulse. Every element, the
- 19:15Speaker 1: laminated card, the browser redirect that predated RENEE by fourteen months,
- 19:21Speaker 1: the LLC registered under a name. Only a bar association
- 19:24Speaker 1: filing could surface. The manufactured friction at work, the disruption
- 19:29Speaker 1: of sleep across five months, the Wednesday mornings at ropers
- 19:33Speaker 1: that quietly stopped. Every piece of it required patience. It
- 19:38Speaker 1: required the willingness to watch a person's life contract slowly,
- 19:43Speaker 1: and to have planned that contraction before ever arranging an introduction.
- 19:47Speaker 1: Scott had worked twenty six years at Delwood. He had
- 19:51Speaker 1: paid off his house in two thousand nine. He had
- 19:54Speaker 1: a dog named Bucket, and the standing order at a
- 19:56Speaker 1: diner on Clement Street that a waitress named Petrie knew
- 20:00Speaker 1: by heart. He was three years from a pension. He
- 20:04Speaker 1: was not reckless, he was not careless. He was exactly
- 20:08Speaker 1: the kind of person the system assumes can protect himself
- 20:11Speaker 1: because he had spent decades doing exactly that. The architecture
- 20:16Speaker 1: assembled against him was designed to make him believe at
- 20:20Speaker 1: every stage that the decisions were his. That is the
- 20:23Speaker 1: part that carries not the fraud statute, not the wire charge,
- 20:28Speaker 1: not the eleven year sentence. Though all of it matters.
- 20:32Speaker 1: The part that carries is the design principle manufacture confusion,
- 20:37Speaker 1: reduce capacity. Position yourself as the only stable point, and
- 20:42Speaker 1: the person will walk toward you. They will sign what
- 20:45Speaker 1: is in front of him. They will accept the explanation
- 20:48Speaker 1: they are given. They will tell friends it was their
- 20:51Speaker 1: own choice. Anderson is serving his sentence. The question the
- 20:55Speaker 1: record does not fully answer, and the one that remains live,
- 20:59Speaker 1: is where Renee Caldwell's knowledge began and where it ended.
- 21:03Speaker 1: Her cooperation was real, her testimony was substant but the
- 21:07Speaker 1: record is not complete on the question of what she
- 21:10Speaker 1: understood and when she understood it. That thread has a
- 21:13Speaker 1: partial close, It does not have a clean one. What
- 21:17Speaker 1: has a clean close is Scott's house. The brokerage account
- 21:21Speaker 1: is damaged, but not gone. The divorce proceeding is paused,
- 21:25Speaker 1: not final. The pension track can be contested. None of
- 21:29Speaker 1: that restores the two years. None of it restores the
- 21:32Speaker 1: Wednesday mornings or the version of himself that walk into
- 21:35Speaker 1: that company picnic in October of twenty twelve without any
- 21:39Speaker 1: reason to be suspicious of a conversation. But he is
- 21:42Speaker 1: still in the house on Aldgate circle that matters this
- 21:47Speaker 1: case is worth knowing because it does not look like
- 21:49Speaker 1: the kind of thing that happens to people like Scott.
- 21:53Speaker 1: That assumption that people like Scott are safe is exactly
- 21:57Speaker 1: what made him a viable target. The preparation began before
- 22:01Speaker 1: he knew anyone's name. The card was already behind the breaker.
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