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• 0:26
  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to a new episode from the team
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  Speaker 1: of True Crime News. I'm Ana Garcia, and I'm here
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: with my son Lorenzo, talking about a case that everyone
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  Speaker 1: can't get enough of, Mackenzie Shrilla. What is going on
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  Speaker 1: with this woman? The judge calls her hell on wheels
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  Speaker 1: and she tells her mother she's the prettiest girl in prison, Like,
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  Speaker 1: who is this one?
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  Speaker 2: I know she's a funny one in a weird way.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I know her, Like I feel like
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  Speaker 2: I've seen this girl in middle school in high school,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think she's innocent, but I do have
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  Speaker 2: some sympathy for her. But she's also insane, which I
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  Speaker 2: kind of love.
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  Speaker 1: You love did.
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  Speaker 2: There's something about the sensationality of her, that she's so
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  Speaker 2: crazy and so tone deaf in a way that I
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  Speaker 2: think is inherently kind of playing on something that is
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  Speaker 2: attractive these days in pop culture, which I think is
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  Speaker 2: part of why she's getting so much like attention.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it's the old fashioned train wreck, right,
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  Speaker 1: That's a term that we would use. You can't help
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  Speaker 1: but watch this, and even as she's going off the tracks,
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  Speaker 1: she's still fascinating and engaging but she's a convicted killer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah twice over all. Right, let's talk about the case.
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  Speaker 2: Let's catch jump into it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's jump into it and see what happened. Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: this would have been in twenty twenty two outside Cleveland
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  Speaker 1: in this really nice suburb, and Mickenzie is and she's
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  Speaker 1: got her boyfriend Dominic in the car and his one
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  Speaker 1: of his best friends, Davion. It's like five in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden there is a horrific crash.
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  Speaker 1: God taking sheep alive. You gotta get out. I don't
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  Speaker 1: When you saw the video of that crash, what did
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  Speaker 1: you think?
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  Speaker 2: For me? It was like the car being split open
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  Speaker 2: in the front. I was like, genuinely, how is that possible?
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  Speaker 2: Like they must they must have been going so fast.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it was just complete wreckage.
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  Speaker 1: So you would think everybody in that car was dead
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  Speaker 1: when the police pulled up, and two of them were
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  Speaker 1: Dominic and Davion. But somehow Mackenzie survives this crash. She's
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  Speaker 1: the only one wearing her seat belt, which I know
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  Speaker 1: there are a lot of questions about a lot of
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  Speaker 1: questions about, but I want to talk about did she
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  Speaker 1: intentionally ram that car? Into that building because according to
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  Speaker 1: all the data that was taken off the car, she's
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  Speaker 1: going one hundred miles an hour, full on the gas
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  Speaker 1: pedal and never once tries to break. They're no skid marks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I did hear a speech in the video.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I asked you if it was like a
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  Speaker 2: real audio. Oh, but it could have been, like I know,
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  Speaker 2: there was some turning left right at the last moment,
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  Speaker 2: maybe potentially someone grabbing the wheel or something. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: definitely flying, no use of the breaks. According to the
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  Speaker 2: black box whatever, it was called insane crash and going
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  Speaker 2: one hundred miles an hour.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy who goes one hundred miles an hour? So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think when everyone first dealt with this tragedy, it
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  Speaker 1: was a horrific tragedy. Not too long after graduation. This
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  Speaker 1: is like the summer before so many people begin the
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  Speaker 1: next phase of their lives. And to lose two wonderful
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  Speaker 1: young people and then have McKenzie, you know, behind the wheel,
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  Speaker 1: brought out a lot of feelings here for everybody. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I find bizarre. So I covered this case
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  Speaker 1: for True Crime News in real time, and when we
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  Speaker 1: released our story, it was just like another crime story.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how else to explain that it didn't
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  Speaker 1: have the life or the legs that this does. Now
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  Speaker 1: Netflix does the crash this documentary about the case, and
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden everyone's talking about it like that
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  Speaker 1: to me is mind blowing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean watching it, we watched it the other day.
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  Speaker 2: Was there anything in there that you feel like explains
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  Speaker 2: the sensationality of it, like people going crazy? I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it was particularly you know, eye opening, right, Like
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  Speaker 2: the details conveyed there probably the same ones that you covered.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think like some of the video of her.
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  Speaker 1: Oh totally, all the videos of her, Oh, come on,
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  Speaker 1: know she's smoking. She's smoking in the cart.
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  Speaker 2: You've ever seen in your life, by the way, like.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing, right, amazing. She could even turn the wheel while
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  Speaker 1: smoking that. And then all the videos of her crop
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  Speaker 1: tops and these glasses and the eyelashes of I love those.
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  Speaker 1: She has a bunch of those little Chanel earrings. I
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  Speaker 1: almost woremined. Yeah. I think that was the big difference
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  Speaker 1: was for the first time in this documentary we really
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  Speaker 1: saw the breath of her videos, and not just the
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  Speaker 1: ones that she posted on social media, but all the
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  Speaker 1: videos that were on her phone and other people's phones,
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  Speaker 1: so you got a much bigger picture. But the question
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  Speaker 1: is what we see in social media and on her videos,
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  Speaker 1: is that an accurate picture, Like I think it is, I.
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  Speaker 2: Would disagree, Okay, So I don't know. I know there
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  Speaker 2: was like even in court right there, like showing the
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  Speaker 2: different videos from our social media whether it was like
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  Speaker 2: some of them were like leading up to the accident,
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  Speaker 2: like not even after the fact, like it was. It
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  Speaker 2: was to me bizarre because the sort of social media
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  Speaker 2: version of yourself is like a representation of yourself. But
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  Speaker 2: like especially with TikTok, like posting things on TikTok is
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  Speaker 2: like less about I'm trying to explain who I am.
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  Speaker 2: It's totally just clout. You're just like I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: post something. Maybe it'll get traction, maybe I'll get famous.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like you're the fact that they would that
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  Speaker 2: the you know, prosecution sort of alleged maybe that she's
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  Speaker 2: kind of thinking about the lyrics of the videos that
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  Speaker 2: she's posting, Like no one's thinking about that like that
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  Speaker 2: one girl, I think her, one of her best friends,
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  Speaker 2: was like I post like twenty videos a day or
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  Speaker 2: something crazy, right, everyone uses that song, yeah, exactly, which
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  Speaker 2: I do actually have a fun fact about that. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't tell you when we watched it. What. I have
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  Speaker 2: an Instagram post from back in the day with the
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  Speaker 2: same Marina and the diamond song I Want to be
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  Speaker 2: your bubble gum bitch. That was the caption, So I
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  Speaker 2: kind I kind of help I can'd of can't help it.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I get it right, like people were
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  Speaker 2: using that song because or the prostitution, using that song
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  Speaker 2: saying like I'm the girl you die for or something
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  Speaker 2: as if like, oh my god, she's like sending this
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  Speaker 2: message like that is absolutely not what's happening. Like you're
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  Speaker 2: not thinking, you're just posting some song that you're like
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  Speaker 2: that you like that's kind of famous or something. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like oftentimes it's easy to
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  Speaker 2: look at social media and think, you know, wow, you're
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  Speaker 2: so happy or you're so blase, you don't even care,
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  Speaker 2: Like you haven't even like posted.
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  Speaker 1: About like provocative is what I would say.
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  Speaker 2: Or provocative she's really provocative. But I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the sort of way that teenagers interact with social media
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  Speaker 2: is so different, Like I feel like it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: like this place you go to hang out. It sounds weird,
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  Speaker 2: but it's like it's less of a like this is
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  Speaker 2: who I am, and like you're just kind of like
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  Speaker 2: interacting with people, right and posting, I think is part
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  Speaker 2: of that. You're posting things because you kind of want
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  Speaker 2: people to comment and to talk and whatever, like participate
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  Speaker 2: in like whatever the latest dance is or something. And
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  Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, even even in my life,
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  Speaker 2: there have been times where I love to post on
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  Speaker 2: Instagram and I love to post something like silly and
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  Speaker 2: something that sometimes may be like wow, okay, interesting posts
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  Speaker 2: like I'm provocative provocative maybe yeah, sure, but you know
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  Speaker 2: there were times like even this winter right where I'm
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  Speaker 2: like arguably having a horrible time in life, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: also kind of like, well, I also would love to
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  Speaker 2: post a thirst trap at the same time, and like
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  Speaker 2: there's something about it that it sounds stupid, but it's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think there is a part of us
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  Speaker 2: that getting that attention or whatever it is from those posts,
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  Speaker 2: even if it's not like not posting from the place
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  Speaker 2: of being like everything's amazing. Sometimes you post almost in
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  Speaker 2: the hope that posting that somehow you'll have some interaction
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  Speaker 2: that's like fun and exciting and you kind of like
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  Speaker 2: forget everything else. You can be fully sad, like miserable
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  Speaker 2: posting something that seems out of touch. But to me,
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  Speaker 2: it's less of a like, it's less of a representation
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  Speaker 2: of who you are, and it's more like a communication
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  Speaker 2: and connection device, not saying that she's posting this like
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  Speaker 2: so so perfectly, like oh here's here's my nice little life.
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  Speaker 2: Like obviously she's like posting her doing like crazy bong
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  Speaker 2: rips or whatever. I guess that was actually on her phone,
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  Speaker 2: not posted, but even her outfits whatever, like setting on
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  Speaker 2: people with like her.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, you know, a background right in a rap video,
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  Speaker 1: between the clothes, right, the eyelashes.
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  Speaker 2: The whole thing. She's got slashes were crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Lashes, I know, so over the top. So she's got
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  Speaker 1: this Instagram TikTok persona.
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  Speaker 2: Look.
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  Speaker 1: She made it clear. She said she wanted to be
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  Speaker 1: an influencer. Okay, other people graduate high school and maybe
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  Speaker 1: they go to college. Her goal was, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: do these collabs and see what she could do on Instagram. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know she was getting there slowly, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: think I would call her a social media sensation. She
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  Speaker 1: wasn't anywhere near that.
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  Speaker 2: It was like a high schooler and like this is
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  Speaker 2: like what they're doing all the time. Like this is
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  Speaker 2: like how she connected with like her best friend, and
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  Speaker 2: her best friend had all these followers, was already kind
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  Speaker 2: of like an influencer or whatever on TikTok, and then
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  Speaker 2: she was just like, oh, I started liking her videos
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  Speaker 2: and that's kind of how we started talking. I started
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  Speaker 2: commenting on them. And these are two people going to
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  Speaker 2: the same school in real life that like started this
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  Speaker 2: little connection on the internet. But I think that there's
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  Speaker 2: something that is like infuriating about it. And I also
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  Speaker 2: think there is an aspect to it of especially her
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  Speaker 2: being a woman, I mean kind of girl, a woman.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, she's seventeen, she was tried as an adult.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like, especially being a woman online and
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  Speaker 2: like kind of posting in that way, it's so easy
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  Speaker 2: to be picked apart. And I just wonder if she
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  Speaker 2: was a boy, if she would have the same sort
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  Speaker 2: of backlash.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if it were my child, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking from experience, speaking.
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  Speaker 1: From experience, you know her parents, Mackenzie's parents said, we
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  Speaker 1: couldn't control her, and we didn't know what she was
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  Speaker 1: doing on social media, and I just thought that was bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry because I guess I'm the other extreme. I've
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  Speaker 1: been tracking you since you were on social media, and
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  Speaker 1: I remember when you were I don't know, fourteen or
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  Speaker 1: fifteen years old and you post this photo. I went ballistic.
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  Speaker 1: It was a picture of you literally naked, all from
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  Speaker 1: the back down past your butt, that you had taken
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  Speaker 1: in the bathroom mirror from behind, from behind you, but
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  Speaker 1: down way past your butt. Okay, I see this and
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  Speaker 1: I flip out and I'm like, so funny, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: this is inappropriate. You are a minor. You're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: applying to college? Is this is this Ivy League material?
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  Speaker 1: I ask, Okay, That's how I'm thinking. And then I'm
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  Speaker 1: thinking even worse than that. I'm thinking, not only are
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  Speaker 1: you minor, but as a crime reporter, all I can
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  Speaker 1: think of is every possible predator out there. And I
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  Speaker 1: lost it and I talked to your dad about it,
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  Speaker 1: and he talked to you about it, and he got
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  Speaker 1: back to me. He said, oh, Lorenzo thinks it's funny,
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Think it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it has to come down. And I
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  Speaker 1: was just I was so upset. So here I am
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  Speaker 1: the parent trying to monitor the social media to make
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  Speaker 1: sure it doesn't go completely right out there. And some
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  Speaker 1: may say that then I just drove you underground.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you make the fin stuff, they make the
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  Speaker 2: private account, like obviously, like you're not going to see that,
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  Speaker 2: like whatever, there's a whole other world.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess.
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  Speaker 2: But I guess by being underground, then it's still like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: it's not as public, so maybe that's better. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I mean, it only worked for
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  Speaker 2: so long, so it those another butt pack in college?
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  Speaker 2: What the one of me in the library?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god?
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  Speaker 2: So it only lasted so long?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god. That's right at Columbia. How did you
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  Speaker 1: not get kicked out? Oh god? But do you see
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? And I'm sure you were completely annoyed
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  Speaker 1: with me and hated me right for saying this. Did
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  Speaker 1: I accomplish anything by.
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  Speaker 2: It got taken down? I took it down, Thank you, well,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for looking out for me.
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  Speaker 1: But do you can you see that now at your
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  Speaker 1: age as opposed to when you were fourteen and fifteen
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  Speaker 1: and posting naked photos.
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  Speaker 2: No, of course, like I got it kind of.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get back to Mackenzie and her parents. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so you think we shouldn't be completely judging Mackenzie by
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  Speaker 1: her social media.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's something to consider, but I think that
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  Speaker 2: the way that we judge it tends to be a
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  Speaker 2: little bit like clutching the pearls. I again, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I know this girl. There's for every Mackenzie, there's
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  Speaker 2: like twenty more doing the exact same thing that aren't
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  Speaker 2: killing people in cars. But I feel like there's this
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  Speaker 2: sort of I don't know, I feel for her in
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  Speaker 2: that a lot of things that she's doing being kind
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  Speaker 2: of risque online and just what was the word that
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  Speaker 2: you use, provocative? You know, there's a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: out there that are young posting things like that that
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  Speaker 2: like at their core, I feel like they kind of
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  Speaker 2: got swept up into it. Like she met this guy,
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  Speaker 2: she was what in freshman year, so that's like fourteen
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  Speaker 2: years old. He's three years older than her, so presumably
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  Speaker 2: like seventeen, crazy age difference. Eventually starts living with him
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  Speaker 2: after like a couple of years, But like think about
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: being a thirteen year old first year of high school
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  Speaker 2: and you meet this guy whatever. I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: much right she's been hanging around his friends, and how
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  Speaker 2: much of like that.
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  Speaker 1: Old culture right.
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  Speaker 2: Is getting put onto her. She's trying to seem cool.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, here's me, like smoking weed, because that's cool,
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  Speaker 2: because apparently smoking will never not be cool. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: same thing of just like here's me and my lashes, Like,
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  Speaker 2: here's me and my Chanel earrings. Here's like all this
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  Speaker 2: nice stuff. Like I kind of feel for her, of
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  Speaker 2: this girl who, like I'm I'm not saying she's innocent,
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  Speaker 2: but I do think we're so harsh on her. And
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  Speaker 2: it's like, she's a thirteen year old who got swept
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  Speaker 2: up into that, And I don't know to what degree
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  Speaker 2: if she had kind of just like had a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more time to be a kid, if she would
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  Speaker 2: have come out a little bit more normal.
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  Speaker 1: But hold on, she had five years. She was seventeen
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  Speaker 1: years old when she was driving that car, and there
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  Speaker 1: is no way to explain other than she was purposely
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: putting her foot on the gas to go on right totally,
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  Speaker 1: I agree with one hundred miles an hour never tried
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  Speaker 1: to break, never tried to swerve out of the way,
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  Speaker 1: So there was only one intention. She was going to
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  Speaker 1: hit that wall.
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  Speaker 2: Now the question is she knew it was coming.
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  Speaker 1: Here's perspective on intent. If you pick up a gun
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  Speaker 1: and you pull the trigger at someone and you fire
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  Speaker 1: and they die, and then you say, but I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: trying to kill him, that's exactly what she's saying. The
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  Speaker 1: car is the gun, the gas pedal is the pushing
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  Speaker 1: or pulling of the trigger. What do you think is
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  Speaker 1: going to happen? If you slam into a building at
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  Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour, what do you think is
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  Speaker 1: going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: I kind of don't think she knew she was going
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  Speaker 2: to slam into a building, Like, why would she sacrifice
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  Speaker 2: herself in that process?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that part I agree with you. I believe that
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  Speaker 1: she is all about herself and she loves herself too
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  Speaker 1: much to put herself in danger. So I think there
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: was something going on in her brain, or actually not
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  Speaker 1: going on in her brain. She right that she didn't
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  Speaker 1: calculate the real, real risk. She didn't want to kill herself.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think, Yeah, I would agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: But there can only be one intention. If you're going
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  Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour, you this is potentially.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's like a consequence for real intention. To me,
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  Speaker 2: feels like it sounds so dumb, but I just kind
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  Speaker 2: of feel like she made a decision that had a
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: very real and extreme risk associated with it, that.
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  Speaker 1: Happened reckless disregard for human life.
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  Speaker 2: But in terms of her intention to kill, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know about that. I just like, I think one of
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  Speaker 2: the things I find interesting is like, so, then why
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  Speaker 2: is Davion in the back? Why is he roped into this?
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  Speaker 2: Like he's done absolutely nothing, and in fact, a lot
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: of the like coverage I feel like, is so like
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  Speaker 2: Davion's such a victim in it, Like nobody talks about
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  Speaker 2: him at all. It's all all about her, It's all
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  Speaker 2: about Kenzy and Dom in their relationship whatever. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: And what about Davion? This like poor boy who just
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: got in this car? Right, Like it's possible that there
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: was some altercation in the car in terms of like
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: you know, I think the documentary reference, Okay, there was
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: some potential steering left and right. There was also like
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: drive neutral drive, like maybe someone was grabbing it, But
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: they also weren't wearing seatbelts right.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: And I didn't understand like I would think they would
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: have been wearing their seat belts. I think it's entirely
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: possible they ripped their seatbelts off when she started accelerating
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: because she was probably playing chicken with them or I
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: don't know what. She was out of control and they
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: were trying to stop her because they knew in their
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: guts that she wouldn't stop herself, and she didn't, right.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I feel like they knew that they're like, for lack
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: of a better word, she's lost it, Like she's scaring us.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: She in I wouldn't put it past her to like
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: pull some stunt like this, But there's still a part
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: of me that just thinks, like I know that there's
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: been you know, posts out there being like she's drove
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: the same path and she was practicing or something. I
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: think I was giving her too much credit, Like I
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: feel like she could be like I don't know where
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I am or whatever, like didn't like, oh, the building
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: came up so fast as and I'm going ninety miles
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: an hour, like I don't know. I It was also
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: very weird to see the clip of her driving right
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: before that, where she turns onto the road with her
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: turn signal at like six in the morning or whatever.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: There's nobody's really cares my turn signal at that. I'm like,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Like, and then she goes
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: ninety very weird exactly.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: So we still don't know and we will never know
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: what really happened in that car because that just doesn't
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: make any sense. She didn't look like she was driving impaired,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and according to the prosecutors, she really wasn't impaired, So
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: there wasn't that as an explanation. I'm not going to
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: say excuse maybe context.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: So then the next way, I love that. The dad
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: was like, but she smokes weed all the time, so
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like she wasn't I I'm like, yeah,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: that's just her now her brain is permanently kind of high.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to say about that dad and
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: that mom. The shrillas they just need to shut up.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: They need to shut up. They are actually making You.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Could tell the mom regretted giving that phone passwords so
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: bad they.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Would have gotten it anyway. That was the least of
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: her problems. That was the least of the mom's problems. Honestly,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: they are making things worse for Mackenzie. They really are.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: They just need to shut up. They need to shut
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: up because every time they say something, they dig themselves
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: deeper into Yeah.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Like the phone calls to prison, Oh my god.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: The phone calls between Mackenzie and her mother that are
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: recorded in the prison are unbelievable. When she says to
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: her mother, I'm the prettiest girl in prison.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Are you with the top bun? With the top bun?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: With the top bun? I'm the prettiest girl in prison.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: This is what she tells her mother, And then how
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: excited she gets when her mother tells her your big news,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: you're on the today.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Oh well, So I was thinking about this, so I
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: looked up that, like whatever that call was, and I
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: think it's after the documentary has been released, And I
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: think in their minds, they're like, the documentary is giving
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: us fuel to fight this appeal and there's like a
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: whole group of people that are now getting excited, like
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: free McKenzie whatever. And I genuinely think that they believe
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: that that will lead to her freedom. Like, I think
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: they're kind of delusional, and I think that they're like wow,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: like you got to say your piece and finally people
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: are getting it, which isn't untrue, Like there is now
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: this movement starting whatever the Facebook page there.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: But there are always movements, right There was the movement
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: for Britney Spears to get her out of the conservatorship
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and that one really worked. Then there was the movement
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to free the Minenda's brothers after a Netflix documentary that
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: didn't work. So there's always these movements. I find them
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: interesting because I do believe that there is a power
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: of having a mass voice. I really do. You're part
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: of the conversation, you're inserting yourself into it, and you
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: are driving something. Okay, let's talk about this case. Let's
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: talk about was justice really served in an even manner?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Here was justice served? I'm all about having that conversation,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and I'm all about everybody jumping in to the conversation
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: on social media and starting a movement. Whether it's going
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: to work in this case, I don't know.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think it will either, but I think that's
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: why they're excited, Like, I don't know. I think I
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: think it's just hard for me to imagine genuinely being
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: excited that I don't know, it's just like your fame
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: or something like.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Oh. I think people are absolutely obsessed with teen killers.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I mean they are fascinating.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: And then when you have people obsesed with teenagers in general.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Agreed, especially one as you know, pretty improvocative. I mean,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: she's fascinating to watch. She really is. She's fascinating to watch.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: She's entertaining without question, and then you add the whole Oh,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I'm so oblivious. I don't remember what happened. Oh, two
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: people are dead.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: She totally remembers something.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Of course, she remembers, Oh my god. And then what
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: is this language that she's talking to her mother? Is
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: it it's like Carnie or Big Ladin. I don't know
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the way she does that.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: No, clearly they've been practicing. But I love that he
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: the dad was like, oh, it's like, you know, your
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: mother's language, Like she's been doing this, Like it's sort
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: of like a thing I guess like she grew up with.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: But it is.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I do think that part's kind of badass, Like okay, wait,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: secret language and an emergency Like that's kind of fun.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: But it is also really cool to live in the
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: age of like social media where like people now post videos.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: If it slowed down like let me break it down
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: and let me translate it, Like, I don't know if
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: we would have had that at least not so quickly
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: and so easily. It's kind of it just adds to
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: this sort of like everything playing out online, you're just
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: like more invested in it. You're like, oh my god,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: what's the latest phone call.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Saying yeah, So do you think this was justice?
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Oh? I mean, I don't know. I feel like I
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: feel like I rarely feel that there is appropriate someone dies,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: like no, But in terms of like her treatment, I
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: She definitely has got to go to prison and there
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: have to be consequences for her actions. I think what
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: people are debating is this question of intent. Did she
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: truly mean to kill them? And I'm sorry, but you'd
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: have to be an idiot to know that going one
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour into a building is going to
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: lead to serious injury and death, And so.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: She's an idiots.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe not intentional, So that's the debate, and I'm on
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the side of it was intentional. It had to be
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: because there could be no other outcome.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: But you changed your mind last night you were kind
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: of like I did.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I did change my mind a little. I started thinking
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: of the gun analogy, and how many times I've covered
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: crime cases where someone has pulled out a gun, shot
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the person, and then said to the jury, Oh, but
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I didn't mean to kill him. Well, what did you
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: think was going to happen? Right? So I've heard that
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: story so many times. I just couldn't equate it with
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: a car. I couldn't equate it with a car because
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: she was driving, which meant that she put herself at risk.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: But she's so ridiculous. She doesn't even care. She didn't
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: want to hurt herself, but she just wasn't thinking straight.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: But she has to be in prison, and she has
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: to serve time, and for the parents of the two
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: young men who lost their lives, you know she is
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: sitting in prison.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Is it justice?
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think fifteen years is that long.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: She got fifteen years to life for each murder, for
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: each victim. They run concurrently, which means they don't fifteen
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: years to life. It wouldn't be back to back thirty.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: So she's going to be eligible for parole. Now everybody's
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: making this big deal about how she's misbehaving in prison
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and she's being written up all the time, so she's
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: never gonna make parole. You know what, she needs time
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to adjust to prison. I think people do not understand.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: People don't understand how prisons work.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: They are.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Prison is its own ecosystem in community, and in prison
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: you need currency. Fame and celebrity is massive currency in
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the prison system. Just think of Sean Comes. Everybody wants
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: to talk to him, everybody wants to help him out.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Same thing. Everyone wants to be with the prettiest girl
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: in prison who's so famous. I mean, now all these
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: women are getting out of prison who served with her
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and telling all these stories on social media and to
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: TMZ and I made out with her, and and you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I helped her steal the pencils or the eyelashes or
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: or whatever the hell. She's doing so funny, but her
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: infractions are so her. She is in trouble because she
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: tries to make her outfit her prison uniform cute and
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: form fitting. DoD did you see her videos.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: That's so funny.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: She has eyelashes. She gets into so much trouble. She
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: has the paints or whatever, all this stuff. The beads
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: she wants to. You know, I'm surprised she doesn't have
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: a dazzler behind prison walls, but you know, that's just it.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: People will trade with her, people will give her things
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: because people want to get next to her because then
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: they can tell their story about Mackenzie Shrilla and they
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: can profit from it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Right, Totally, it's so interesting, like even like the people
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: in the documentary where it's like, uh, like, what did
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: that prosecutor to say? Like I could not get her
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to talk to me, friend, I'd love to hear what
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: she has to say. I tried forever, and I'm like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: you know, the fact that it's on TV maybe sweetens
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: the deal.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you know, there is I have found in
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: my line of work always that people are more open
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to talking, let's say, to a podcaster or a reporter
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: than they are to police. And that's why, that's why
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: you've seen so many podcasts make a difference in crime
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: cases where people come out and share things that either
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: they didn't think were significant or didn't feel comfortable sharing
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: with police, or maybe police didn't even take them seriously.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: And then you tell that story on a podcast or
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: you know, you put it on TikTok and all of
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: a sudden, police have no choice, they cannot look away,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and this takes the investigation into a whole new area.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's possible that something will be found
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: dug up that could change this case and maybe answer
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the question about intent.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's tough. I think, you know,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: the people that probably have the answers of the people
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: that are culture to them. Like I found it really
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: interesting to see like Dom's phone and to see like
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the videos of her trying to break into his house.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Right Suddenly you're like, okay, like she's, you know, chill girl,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Like she's shown up trying to break into your house. Right.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: So I think stuff like that might be interesting and
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: help to kind of paint the picture. But again, I
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: just don't really think we're going to understand. I think
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: the thing that matters is like what happened in that car,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: and I don't think we're ever gonna know. We can
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: try to get more context from everything else, but I
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: don't know if it'll answer it. I didn't think it
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: was interesting when you know, some of Dom's friends went
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: to the police with the life three sixty app. I
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: was like, Okay, so the fact you have Life three
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: sixty on your friend's phone like he's up to no good. Sorry, Like, no,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think so at all.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Come on, what is that app that you use.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: With your friends, my friends whatever? Yeah, that's my point
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: in time lifew sixties like giving you the you know,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: tracking every minute or whatever. It was like it was
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: like I need to use that for you. Yeah, I
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: like unpack when I get home, Like, what's this thing
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: in my bag? Put a little air tag? Yeah. No,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. I think I think a lot
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: of the friends and stuff will have more context. I
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: unfortunately think that the sleth thing in this particular regard
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: is like I think it might be helpful if there
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: was something premeditated, but in this case, I just don't
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: really believe that that's that's the case. So I think
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: this is one of the sad, you know examples where
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: sometimes sloothing just kind of adds to the noise of
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: the case and can sometimes like hinder the you know,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: investigation and just create so much attention and outcry and
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: things that just like add to the volume. But I
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: think there's other cases where THEUTH thing's really helpful. So
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess time will tell.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, So there's the moment in the documentary. It's when
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Mackenzie gets arrested and the cops are, you know, working
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the handcuffs and she gets really upset and says, don't
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: break my bracelets. And I'm thinking, you are being arrested
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and charged with double murder and you're worried about your
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: freakin bracelets.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I see it, and I'm like, like, I can see
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: it's like the little like the little like candy bracelets,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: and it's like that's totally something that he made for
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: her and that she's still sad about. Like she's like,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I mean that video was so bad of like the
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: pendulum over the grave.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Oh God, I can't love you.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: There's no way that was real. But you know, I
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: think her emotional reaction is like at the end of
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: the day, like I really do believe that she got
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: caught up in some toxic relationship. Unfortunately, is so young,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: she's never known a non toxic relationship.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Well I think she was toxic.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, but it always takes two to tango, Yes,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I know, but I think the pain in that is
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: still real, Like even when things are toxic and even
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: when you know you're being violent whatever. I think if
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: you were truly neutral about this person, like you wouldn't
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: have that reaction. Like I think it comes from a
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: place of like still loving them weirdly, but it obviously
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: gets horrible in a way that you know that pain
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: can drive her to do absolutely horrible things. But I
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: think it's also still real, like I still have like
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: sympathy for her in that that you know she's it's
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: kind of a weirdly poignant, confusing moment of like she's
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: getting the handcuffs s adjusted, but then she's like thinking
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: about her now dead boyfriend and the bracelets that she
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to break. And I really don't think that
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: part was like an act. I don't know, you thought
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: that was genuine and there was more too.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: See I just thought that that was just a kid
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: reacting like a kid, and not I thought it was
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: her acting like a kid and not seeing the gravity
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: of the moment, which is something she consistently does. She
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: doesn't understand how grave the situation is at each point,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, are you kidding me? Have you lost focus?
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: You're being arrested? Focus on that? Would you instead of
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: your bracelet. I hear you when you say, you know
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: it was sentimental to her, and she's she is in
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: her own way. Grieving may not be the way we've
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: talked about this this whole People judge you how you grieve.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that the two times I
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: saw her look truly like a girl, a very young
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: girl was sitting in the back of a cop car,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: not any makeup on, none of the other stupidity that
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: she brings into her videos. She really looked like a
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: little She looked like she was fourteen. Also when during
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: the trial she looked like a little girl. She's got
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: this little girl body that she's been trying to morph
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: into this big tough girl.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And to me, I see when I see her
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: peacocking as the big tough girl, I feel like I
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: still see that under there where. I'm just like, like,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: it's like funny, like her strange video is that to
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: me are Obviously I'm not the target audience, but I'm
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: just like, you're like parading around in all these clothes
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: and your eyelashes and whatever. But then I see it
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, you're just a girl. I
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: don't know, She's just a girl.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: She's just a girl convicted of twice over. So the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: final question, what makes this case so captivating, more captivating
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: than other crime stories? Not only do I want to
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: ask you that, but I want to ask our audience.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think car as murder weapon is just
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: logically interesting. And I think the fact that there's just
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: this perfect amount of mystery and then for people to
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: just put in there and project whatever they want is
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: sort of like great recipe for crowd engagement. It sounds,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: you know, callous to say that, but I think that
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: people one have like opinions about what happened, and there's
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: enough room to speculate to she's captivating and in that again,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I just feel like the victims are kind of lost
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: in it, and it like, yeah, it's I think it
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: speaks to sort of the culture around crime these days,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: and it speaks to the fact that people want to
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: talk more about, you know, the killer and the details
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  Speaker 2: and like figure out, you know, what they really think happened.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: But I think at a lot of times that comes
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: at the cost of the victims. And it's it's unsurprising
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  Speaker 2: to me that it's not like a clear cut case
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  Speaker 2: that's just simply so tragic for the victims that you know.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, those are the cases that aren't going to
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: be as interesting or like sensational. It's always these cases
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: that get a lot of the attention.
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  Speaker 1: It's true. I think, well, there's a few thoughts I have.
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  Speaker 1: I think that teen killers are unusual and people have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of interest in them because you know, it's
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: always the question like you are old enough to know better,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: but did you you know, your brain's not fully formed,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: so for a teen to kill someone else, I think
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: those cases are always intrinsically interesting with them. What do
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you how do you how do you process this? How
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: do you process a child?
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Try them as a teen or an adult. It's like, yeah,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: the age old question like where do you put it right?
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: So that in itself, I think is fascinating to people.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: The reason this case I believe has legs and we're
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: still continuing to talk about it is because there's so
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: much more information that drops every day, whether it's you know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: McKenzie's parents doing an interview, trying to dig themselves out
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: of a hole. Instead they've you know, dumped so much
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: dirt on them they can't even get a right, they're
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: they're completely covered. So there's that. Then we have all
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: these phone calls from prison that are so fascinating. It's
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: like an inside view, an inside view to a conversation
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  Speaker 1: between a mother and a daughter. She is in prison
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  Speaker 1: for killing two people, and the mother keeps talking to
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: her about her hair, her eyelashes that she's.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: People that are writing her. She was like, Oh, I
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: love Patrick or whatever his name is.
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  Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable. It's it's like, has everyone just forgotten
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: why she's in prison? So we're being fed so much
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: information about this case constantly. It's feeding social media, so
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: every day there's a new development, a new person talks.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I think that's why this is so, this is why
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: it's so captivating. She's captivating. The case is interesting. It has,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: you know, real questions that we can bait about intent
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: and when are you old enough to be tried as
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: an adult? So it has real gravitas to it. And
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: then it has this side show, freak show of her videos,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: her weird conversations with her mom and jail, the gibberish
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: that she talks, you know, when she doesn't want anyone
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: to know what she's saying. I mean, it's it's too much.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: One more thing about this case in social media. I
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: think Dom's mother said it best at sentencing when she said,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: social media has turned this horrific tragedy into a game,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: you know, where people are making fun of it and
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: you know, trying to get attention from it for themselves.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: And we must remember that two people are dead, and
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: these families have lost their beautiful young sons. Forever. There
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: won't be a Christmas, there'll never be a birthday that's
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the same. You know, they were so young, so we
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: can't lose sight of that.
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  Speaker 2: All right, that's our show for this week. Let us
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: know in the comments what you think. Do you think
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: that Mackenzie did it intentionally? What are your theories as
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: to why this case is so sensational right now, we'd
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  Speaker 2: love to hear. Until then, we'll see you next time.