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Gordie Chiesa on the Utah Jazz and the NBA, late game situations, the potential of the Futures Basketball League · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Peace out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiesa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Come for the Hoops Talk. Stay for his list of
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  Speaker 2: the day.
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  Speaker 1: Our list today.
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  Speaker 2: Here's OC with basketball savant Gordy Chiesa on the Sean
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  Speaker 2: O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: What's the matter with your mind and your sign and up?
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  Speaker 3: All right, the Sean O'Connell Show rolling along here. Hour
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  Speaker 3: number one. We're going to talk some hoops with Gordy
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  Speaker 3: Chiesa here right now for an hour. Gordy's in studio.
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  Speaker 3: Happy to have him here. We'll get back to football
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  Speaker 3: talk with Lee Sterling next segment or next hour. Paramount Sports,
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  Speaker 3: about an hour and 15 minutes from now. Talk about
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  Speaker 3: the betting lines in the football world. Dishing with Devin
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  Speaker 3: at one. But right now we're talking hoops for an
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  Speaker 3: hour with Gordy Chiesa. Gordy, welcome back. How are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing well, James. Thank you. Good to be here
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  Speaker 1: with you and with Tyson. And it's always been fun
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  Speaker 1: talking hoops. Now, NBA basketball should be an element of fun.
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  Speaker 1: Should be. However, if you're a jazz fan right now,
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  Speaker 1: it's not too much fun. However, I always say to
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  Speaker 1: all the fans that I know on the street that
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  Speaker 1: it's a matter of time. But in the meantime... The
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  Speaker 1: Jazz have to play better. For example, last night's game, James.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No one's ever said this, that the Land of Magic
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  Speaker 1: is a juggernaut.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I used to work for Land of Magic. I
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  Speaker 1: was a consultant for five years. So I know inside
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  Speaker 1: out the organization. But last night's game in that fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 1: you know, where the Jazz, it was a tie score 98-98. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to win this game. Meaning you're a Jazz fan.
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  Speaker 1: And the Jazz are outscored 16-3 in that run. And
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  Speaker 1: the question is how? Here's what happened. Here's the technical part,
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  Speaker 1: without geeking out, is that the Jazz had a hard
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  Speaker 1: time ball-containing. They kept on switching on Franz Wagner, and
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  Speaker 1: he was able to drive the ball and make plays.
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  Speaker 1: And then on a pick-and-roll, when they went under the screen,
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  Speaker 1: he stopped and popped under it. And when the Jazz
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  Speaker 1: tried to double-team Franz Wagner, to his credit, he moved
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  Speaker 1: the ball, and he found his trusted ally teammate, Desmond Bain,
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  Speaker 1: who stuck those touchdowns. back-to-back threes on the top of
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  Speaker 1: the circle. And so that's what happened technically. What you
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  Speaker 1: want to do is, one, better ball containment. Two, if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to switch, play switch defense, tight switch. And three,
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  Speaker 1: get that stick hand up to challenge the three-point shot
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  Speaker 1: versus what? Having both hands down so the guy gets
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  Speaker 1: an on-site target at the rim, and he finished.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, yep. It was unfortunate because, Gordy, I'm watching it,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm going, Jazzard. Sticking with Orlando, they were even
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  Speaker 3: leading for much of that time until about that point.
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  Speaker 3: Orlando led for a fair amount of time, too. But
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  Speaker 3: it was the same old things that we've been seeing
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  Speaker 3: as they've started now 1-11 through 12 games. Worst start
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  Speaker 3: since the 2013-2014 season. I believe they started 1-14 that year, Gordy.
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  Speaker 1: The coach is Tyrone Corbin.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And this interview with Gordy, of course, brought to you
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to talk with Gordy for an hour here.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like the only thing that was encouraging from
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  Speaker 3: that loss, Gordy, is that turnovers didn't necessarily kill the Jazz.
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  Speaker 3: It's killed the Jazz in almost every other game in
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  Speaker 3: these first 12 games, Gordy, from what I've seen. They
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  Speaker 3: only had 11. Last night, which is still more than
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  Speaker 3: you'd want, but like jazz are averaging like 17, 18
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  Speaker 3: turnovers a game. So only get a little getting 11
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  Speaker 3: is a vast improvement. So what else you talked about?
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  Speaker 3: The defense ball contain Franz Wagner could get to whatever
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  Speaker 3: spot he wanted led to 38 points for him. Franz
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  Speaker 3: is a really good player. One of my favorites in
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  Speaker 3: the NBA right now, not a guy that you should
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  Speaker 3: be giving up 38 points to probably correct.
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  Speaker 1: So, and also add to that, it's back to back
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  Speaker 1: for his world. Back-to-back 30 points. He scored net before
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  Speaker 1: 33 against Sacramento.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe I'm mistaken, but the Kings aren't a good
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  Speaker 3: team either. Maybe he's beating up on bad teams. But
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  Speaker 3: this is a guy that, as good as he is,
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  Speaker 3: you ought to be able to stop him from getting
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  Speaker 3: to his spots every once in a while. It didn't
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  Speaker 3: seem like the Jazz were able to do that. You
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  Speaker 3: mentioned that when you were talking about ball-contained. What else?
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  Speaker 3: went wrong in this game that maybe is different from
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  Speaker 3: the other losses.
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  Speaker 1: Well, your point's well taken about the turnovers. Jazz averaging 17.3
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  Speaker 1: turnovers per game, only 11 last night, but in that
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  Speaker 1: fourth quarter, again, the ability in close games how to win,
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  Speaker 1: and that's absolutely critical. Jazz had four turnovers in back-to-back
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  Speaker 1: by Chianti, who tried to get it out. He's got
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  Speaker 1: a mal-sprained ankle. I'm sure the doctors said to him
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  Speaker 1: he can play, which he did. He struggled shooting the ball. Again,
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  Speaker 1: he's commendable as trying to help his team win, especially
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  Speaker 1: a home game. And those turnovers hurt, though, because they
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  Speaker 1: capitalized on it, and it took away a chance for
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  Speaker 1: the Jazz to score points. Add to that, shooting is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely critical. Now, the Jazz, historically, have been a good
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  Speaker 1: three-point shooting team, but this year they're not. They're ranked
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  Speaker 1: at 27th in overall shooting in three-point range. Last night
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  Speaker 1: they go 14th for 44 for 32%. while the Magic
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  Speaker 1: go 18-46 for 39.3. So the differential was 12 points
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  Speaker 1: in that game as far as from the three-point line.
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  Speaker 1: But add to that.
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  Speaker 3: Magic win by 15, so that pretty much was the
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  Speaker 3: game right there.
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  Speaker 1: Very much. And the second half, the Jazz go up
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  Speaker 1: in three-point line, four for 18. So that's all part
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  Speaker 1: of the equation. So it was a winnable game, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 1: The Jazz lost. There's some bright spots, though. You get
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  Speaker 1: the feeling that Darren Peterson is getting better each game.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say that, Gordy. His last four
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  Speaker 3: or five games, he's looking like a guy who you
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  Speaker 3: should have taken number two overall like they did. He's
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  Speaker 3: looking like he's starting to feel a lot more comfortable.
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  Speaker 1: Very much.
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  Speaker 3: You know how?
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  Speaker 1: Because of how he's on the floor, his confidence level.
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  Speaker 1: He's getting in the lane and making plays. He can
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  Speaker 1: create his own shot. He didn't shoot well last night.
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  Speaker 1: Part of it was because the defense, Javon Carter, who's
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  Speaker 1: this guy that's this veteran player, got up under Darren Peterson.
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  Speaker 1: And also when they played switch defense, the magic, they
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  Speaker 1: got up under. So it's so interesting. When you're physical
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  Speaker 1: defensively and you have technique and also the mindset, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to make this person take away some of his
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  Speaker 1: rhythm on the shot. And that was last night. So
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  Speaker 1: Darren Peterson, though, even though he struggled, he played a
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  Speaker 1: good floor game. And his presence was known through the game.
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  Speaker 1: He has five assists, and he tried to do the
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  Speaker 1: right thing offensively. Ace Bailey, the other guy, that is
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  Speaker 1: a young fellow, trusted ally. Ace also had some, he
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  Speaker 1: struggled on the field, six for 17 offensively. 3-4-11 from threes,
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  Speaker 1: and some of them were early threes. So, James, what
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  Speaker 1: you want to do as far as a shooter, yes,
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  Speaker 1: be confident, but the rhythm, the flow of the game,
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  Speaker 1: you just can't come down and fire a three because
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  Speaker 1: you're open and because you feel like it. Because here's
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  Speaker 1: the reason why, is that when winning teams, the previous
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  Speaker 1: play before affects what happened the shot you take. So
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  Speaker 1: if your teammates take three or four ill-advised shots or
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  Speaker 1: turnovers or missed layups, even though you're open in the
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  Speaker 1: next play, as far as coming down transition, it's just
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  Speaker 1: better to move the ball, get the exact same shot
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  Speaker 1: about eight seconds later out of team rhythm and out
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  Speaker 1: of what? Footwork rhythm.
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  Speaker 3: Especially when Ace is a very talented player. He's made
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  Speaker 3: even more strides than he did. I think so far
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  Speaker 3: than he did in his rookie season, which we all
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  Speaker 3: feel like he showed a lot of promise in. He
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  Speaker 3: looks even better than that. The one area where he's
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  Speaker 3: still not great is three-point shooting. So I absolutely, a
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  Speaker 3: guy like that, I absolutely would advocate for let's move
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  Speaker 3: the ball around. Maybe you get it back in that
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  Speaker 3: same spot.
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  Speaker 2: You will.
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  Speaker 3: And you're going to be in more rhythm, like you said.
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  Speaker 3: And that's even more important for a guy where that's
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  Speaker 3: not quite his strength yet, Gordy, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: No, he's not, but he's a really ultra-talented player, and again,
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  Speaker 1: he has a spirit about him. So is Darren Peterson.
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  Speaker 1: So the Jazz young players are absolutely talented, and they're
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  Speaker 1: going through the growing pains of winning in the NBA.
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  Speaker 1: Remember now, just like the NFL, it's a man's league.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a youngster league. Every time someone says, you know, well,
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  Speaker 1: so-and-so is 19 years old. He set the record for this. Okay, great.
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  Speaker 1: But when's the last time someone said, set the record
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  Speaker 1: on a really tremendous team when you're 19 years old.
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  Speaker 1: Because very rare you play meaningful minutes on a team
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be, one, a playoff team, and two,
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  Speaker 1: deep in the playoffs. And so, again, even though you're
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  Speaker 1: showing you can play in the league, now the question is,
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  Speaker 1: can you win in the league when you play? Remember,
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  Speaker 1: I said it's all time for decades. So it's not
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  Speaker 1: under present tense. I said this back in 1989 when
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  Speaker 1: I came to the Jazz, is that, If you play
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  Speaker 1: in an NBA game on average between 30 to 32 minutes,
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  Speaker 1: you're part of the reason why a team wins and
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  Speaker 1: why a team loses because you're out there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You're out there. So you determine often what is going on,
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  Speaker 1: you and your floor mates. So you got to take responsibility.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the math right now. James mentioned earlier, Jazz are 1-11.
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  Speaker 4: Yikes.
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  Speaker 1: 1-6 at home. Yikes. The Jazz have a good home
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  Speaker 1: court advantage and their own five in the road. And
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  Speaker 1: the Jazz play again Friday night in a cup game
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  Speaker 1: versus the Houston Rockets.
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  Speaker 3: In Houston.
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  Speaker 1: In Houston. And so that would be a tough get.
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  Speaker 1: Then they come back and play Wembley on Sunday. And
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  Speaker 1: speaking of Wembley, this is the last time the Spurs
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  Speaker 1: coming to Delta Center. So there'll be no more Wemby
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  Speaker 1: in the Delta Center this year unless the Jazz make
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs and play against the Spurs.
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  Speaker 3: Get to that game if you can. I'm telling you,
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  Speaker 3: he is worth the price of admission in person. He's
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  Speaker 3: great on TV. He is outstanding to watch in person, Wemby.
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  Speaker 1: Very much.
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  Speaker 3: If you're able to get tickets to the Delta Center,
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  Speaker 3: I know they're expensive now. If you're able to, get
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  Speaker 3: out there. Even if the Jazz lose that game, you're
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  Speaker 3: going to love watching Wemby in person.
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  Speaker 1: Very much. And that's a 3 o'clock start in the afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: That's what the calendar says right now for the Jazz,
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  Speaker 1: so it's hard. If I was counseling the Jazz, just
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  Speaker 1: little things that are positive. Just take little things as
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  Speaker 1: far as every single day, try to understand your craft. James,
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  Speaker 1: just like in the NFL, because I'm a football geek,
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  Speaker 1: is that technique is everything. So you're a D back
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL or safety or your alignment, you, your
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  Speaker 1: hands and your feet are your career. And so you've
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  Speaker 1: got to be able to keep improving your technique, both defensively,
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  Speaker 1: both on ball and then shooting technique. As far as you,
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  Speaker 1: as far as the three point shooting, every three points
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  Speaker 1: shot starts with what base footwork. So your feet have
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  Speaker 1: to be sound, but a shot that to go in
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  Speaker 1: as far as with accuracy. For sure.
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  Speaker 3: If, Footwork is very important with that Gordy. I was
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  Speaker 3: almost encouraged in the going back one game here in
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  Speaker 3: the jazz is lost to the heat because they were
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  Speaker 3: down 23 at one point early in the fourth quarter
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  Speaker 3: in third quarter as well. They were down 23 at
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  Speaker 3: one point. They get it to within five with under
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  Speaker 3: a minute left. He didn't play in that game. Lowry
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  Speaker 3: didn't play in that game. If I'm not mistaken, obviously
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  Speaker 3: Nurk hasn't played at all this year. Jaron Jackson Jr.
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  Speaker 3: has been out for a few weeks and will be
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  Speaker 3: out for another month at least. So they're down the
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  Speaker 3: same players, plus Keontae George that they were down in
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  Speaker 3: the Magic game. But I was like, okay, they didn't
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  Speaker 3: win this game, and I know no moral victories, but
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  Speaker 3: when you have only one win, I mean, you've got
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  Speaker 3: to take any kind of victory. You can get moral
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  Speaker 3: or otherwise, Cordy. I thought they showed me something like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: maybe the fight's still here, and maybe that means that
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  Speaker 3: once they get healthy, especially... They might be able to
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  Speaker 3: go on some kind of run here and get back
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  Speaker 3: to contending for the play-in like we thought they would
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  Speaker 3: in the preseason. I thought they showed a ton of
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  Speaker 3: heart in that ill-fated comeback attempt, but then they played
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  Speaker 3: well against Orlando like we talked about, but I don't
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  Speaker 3: know that that heart translated from that near comeback against
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  Speaker 3: Giannis in the heat against Orlando like I thought it would.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder what you think about that. Did you feel
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  Speaker 3: the same kind of encouragement that I felt as they
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  Speaker 3: tried to fight back against the heat, but ultimately fell?
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  Speaker 3: And was it kind of a letdown to see the
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  Speaker 3: way they finished the Orlando game based on that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, Matt, the first thing is that the heat game
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  Speaker 1: is that Isaiah Collier played tremendous. He didn't make a
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  Speaker 1: three-point shot the whole season, 0 for 8, and then
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  Speaker 1: he stuck four. He stuck four. Now, again, Isaiah Collier,
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  Speaker 1: his economics of it, remember, professional sports is a business.
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  Speaker 1: It's a fun business, but... depending who you are at
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  Speaker 1: that moment, but it is a business. So the Jazz
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  Speaker 1: decided to not give Isaiah Collier an extension. They declined
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  Speaker 1: a team option. He was going to make next year,
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  Speaker 1: meaning 27, 28, $ 4. 99 million equals what? $ 5 million. It's
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  Speaker 1: rounded off. The Jazz decided to move on as far
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  Speaker 1: as the contract. All right, so now he's playing with
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  Speaker 1: an element of, one, chip on your shoulder, wouldn't you?
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  Speaker 1: And two, as far as hurt feelings. But you're a professional.
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  Speaker 1: So don't make those hurt feelings, hard feelings towards your teammates.
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  Speaker 1: Get your head ready to play mentally, and he has
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  Speaker 1: to his credit. So it's interesting, the last three games
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  Speaker 1: in particular, with Keontae being out so much, he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: out last night, is that Kyle, you got a chance
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  Speaker 1: to play in rhythm, and he's performed very well. He's
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  Speaker 1: a junkyard dog. When that guy penetrates through the basket,
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  Speaker 1: people bounce off him.
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  Speaker 3: So fast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's fast.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: In transition, that's his game. He's a one-man fast break.
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  Speaker 1: And so in the heat game, He kept the Jazz
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  Speaker 1: alive in that fourth quarter by his play. Last night,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't as evident right now. But as an underdog,
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  Speaker 1: which you and I always are, and so is Tyson,
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  Speaker 1: we always cheer for underdogs.
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  Speaker 3: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: So let's cheer for Isaiah Collier. For sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just would have liked to see, and I
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  Speaker 3: thought I would see more out of them. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if I expect... any wins at this point. They
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  Speaker 3: got to show me they can win before I really
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  Speaker 3: expect it.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy.
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  Speaker 3: They're going to wait a second. They're going to, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to go. I'm not, I'm not going
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  Speaker 3: to go into another game expecting them to win until
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  Speaker 3: they show me they can win a game.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy. Wait a second. That's it. You blessed me. As
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  Speaker 1: a matter of fact, if you're a player, including ward
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  Speaker 1: ball guys like you is that you expect to win
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  Speaker 1: every single game and you get.
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  Speaker 3: Out players do, but I don't expect the jazz to
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  Speaker 3: win games right now.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 3: They haven't showed me. They can.
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  Speaker 1: You and I have a different mentality. Every time I go,
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  Speaker 1: with the Jazz or any team, I expect a team
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  Speaker 1: to win. I'll tell you the reasons why, how, Philip
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  Speaker 1: Langston right now. So, for example, the Houston Rockets, okay,
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  Speaker 1: the first thing Friday night is that you've got to
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  Speaker 1: get off to an early start for the Jazz. Do
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  Speaker 1: not turn the ball over. Do not throw a lob
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  Speaker 1: pass to James, to the trombone player in the band
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  Speaker 1: in the first row.
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  Speaker 3: Or to me. Don't throw it to me either. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to finish that one.
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  Speaker 1: Right, so I always laugh when people throw these lob
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  Speaker 1: passes to people to the trombone player. Hey, we love
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  Speaker 1: the trombone player in the first row. However, he's busy
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  Speaker 1: right now playing what? John Seuss' medley right now. All right,
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  Speaker 1: and the second thing is that with the Rockets-type people,
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  Speaker 1: you've got to be able to what? Move the ball
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  Speaker 1: and score the ball on the second side of the floor.
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  Speaker 1: Your defense should make your offense. So if you're a
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: shooting-starved team, as far as you can't make that open shot,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason I mentioned earlier, usually footwork, is that
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: you've got to get the ball in space to be
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: able to drive and make plays. Again, when the possession,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: every time down the floor, you're attempting to get a
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: good shot, and the shot was missed, your rebounders can
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: get stick backs or get extra possessions. When teams quick
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: shoot and or bizarre shoot, James, all the other rebounders
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: don't know whether to run back and transition or to
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: crash the boards. They're caught in that thing called never, never,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: never land where they don't know. So the better you
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: shoot in the rhythm as a unit, as a team,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: the players can carve out space. James, especially if you're
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: a non-jumper. Now, a non-jumper meaning this. Let's say someone
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: like Yusef Nurkic.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: When he plays for the jazz, you know, cause he's
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: so big and strong. He's much better in physicality than
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: what a bounciness. All right. So if you shoot crazy shots,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: quick shots, erratic shots, guys like Yusuf Nurkic, when he
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: does play, you don't know when to crash the boards
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: as far as carving out space. Or do I turn
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: and go back in transition? It's that fine line. Jazz basketball.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: The year. Do you remember, remember the core non jumper
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: that guy can rebound.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: The year calls boozer. Remember him? That guy can rebound
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: in traffic. Jaron Collins couldn't jump over to Sunday, New
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: York times. He could rebound in traffic.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: These are all reasons why players do players overachieve and
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: or underachieve because of the little subtle things that you've
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: got to be able to master and execute. And we,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: as coaches, we always try to bring out the players.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: You can't tell them that. However, you bring it out
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: of them.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Gordy, we're going to go to a break here.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard about this Futures Basketball
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: League that LeBron and KD are investing in, some kind
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: of competition to the AAU circuit. I don't know if
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: you heard about that.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Tell me.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I'm looking. Yeah, we'll talk about that next in our
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: shorter Hot Lunch segment. Hot Lunch brought to you by
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Zhao Asian Cafe. We'll talk about that in three minutes.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Gordy Chiesa in studio here on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: James Peterson filling in for O.C., On Utah's number one
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: sports talk in your home of the Utes, your home
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: for football, ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: The Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch Chevrolet studio of
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: All right, time for the hot lunch. Brought to you
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: by Zao Asian Cafe. We'll be giving away a free
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: meal card to Zao at the end of the show
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: during Topical Trivia. I'm going to do something that makes
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: OC cringe. Gordy. He's not here, so it's not going
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: to hurt him very much. We're giving a Zout out.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: We're giving a Zout out to Zout Asian Cafe. He
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: loves it when I do my puns, Gordy.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Do you like Zout? Do you go to Zout very much?
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm looking forward to going with
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: you and Tyson.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: It's a great spot. It's Asian fusion type stuff. The
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: bowls are my favorite, so you can get a rice
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: bowl or you can get the yakisoba noodles, the chow
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: mein type noodles. You get it. other Chinese places, um, uh,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: or low main, that type of noodle, you can, you
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: can get that or rice as your base. They have
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: rice noodles as well. Um, it's just a little bit, uh,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: less fatty of an option. I think a little healthier option. Um,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I love getting the steak or the chicken. They have
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: they have something called the golden citrus chicken is what
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: they call it's basically their orange chicken you can put
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: in there or is there or there's a grilled chicken
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: uh option as well and then you get all kinds
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: of toppings including cilantro carrots corn uh broccoli if you're
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: into that i'm not i i skipped the broccoli and onions,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: and you can even get crispy onions to top it
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: off with, and some peanuts, some guac. It's a great
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: little thing. They also have Asian tacos, so if you
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: don't want a bowl, you can try the Asian tacos,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: or I believe they have wraps as well. So all
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: kinds of options at Zao Asian Cafe. I recommend a bowl,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: rice or the yakisoba noodles there. as your base in
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: the bowl, and then choose your favorite protein. They even
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: got tofu if you're a vegetarian or vegan option there.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Zao Asian Cafe, again, giving away a free meal card
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: to end the show during Topical Trivia to Zao Asian Cafe.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: We've got to get you out there, Gordy. We've got
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to get you to try some Zao. I'm looking forward
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: to it. Now, James, get back to one thing. You
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: said you don't like as far as different vegetables. What
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: about green vegetables? It's healthy.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm into some green vegetables. I'm not
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: into broccoli. James, I worry about you. You can eat
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: my broccoli.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Green vegetables, good for you. That's a young fellow like you.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I love spinach.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I love green beans.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Asparagus. I like it. Not broccoli.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Not broccoli.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Not broccoli.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I love the American flag and apple pie. I love America.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: I love apple pie. I love hot dogs. You can
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: have my broccoli.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: And also, you love right now the Utes are winning.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: I do love that the Utes are winning. Absolutely. 9-0.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: A win in the Holy War. Absolutely. Gordio, in the
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: hot lunch for a few minutes here, I wanted to
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: talk about, I don't know if you heard about this
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: startup league. They're calling it the Futures Basketball League. LeBron
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: and Katie are investors. They're not listed as founders. So
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think that they're majority investors, but they, they
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: are the highest profile investors in this league. They're trying
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: to replace the AAU system with this futures basketball league,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: the top 150 basketball players under the age of 18
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: in the country is probably more than that, but they're,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: but that's, that's what they're putting out there that, Hey,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: that's who's playing an AAU and, We want those players
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: to come play in this featured basketball league instead. Gordy,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: it's going to be in the spring and summer season,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: just like the AAU season. Here's the big difference between
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: them and the AAU. AA stands for, not Alcoholics Anonymous
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: in this case, it stands for Amateur Athletic, which means
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Amateur Athletic Union. Amateur meaning they're not getting paid NIL
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: or otherwise to play on the AAU circuit. At least
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: not maybe they got the bag men like we had
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: with college with college sports back in the day but
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: they're not they're not getting paid for nil this futures
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: basketball league is going to pay them nil and they're
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: claiming that these players will be able to make that
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: money and keep their high school and college basketball eligibility
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: so they want to have their cake and eat it
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: too here gordy they also in that way aau's been
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: panned by a lot of in current nba players by
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: a lot of Past coaches like yourself, they're in the
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: same era as yourself, Gordy, and others that have said,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: these guys aren't really getting coached. That's why the European
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: players are so much better than them at the same
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: age right now. They're getting coached over in Europe at
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: that same age. They want to have that European professional
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: player development that they have in the academies in Europe
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: in this Futures Basketball League, and they want to pay
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: them NIL. They want to be able to have them
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: maintain their eligibility for college and high school basketball. They
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: also want to have the same television appeal of youth
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: tournaments like the Little League World Series and you remember
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: the and one mixtape tour back in the day?
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Very much.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: They think they can carve out a market for this
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: features basketball league in that way, Gordy. It feels like
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: some big claims there. I'm skeptical of The television thing,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure how many people are going to be
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: watching these, even though they're in the spring and summer
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: when there's less competition, obviously. I kind of believe everything else.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I believe that if they got the right coaches, if
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: they have the right money, which it sounds like they've
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: got that too, they could probably do everything else they're
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: trying to claim here, including kind of eat into the
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: AAU market share. What do you think?
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I agree. Also, with television, as far as partners, just
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: go to YouTube.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: It's very simple. Put them all on YouTube.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: And so the people, the fans know where to go
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: for that. I'm all for it. You described the AU sports.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Even though it's well-intended, you just play games. And so
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: there's very little coaching, if at all. It's sponsored by
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the big-time sneaker companies. So we'll see now with those
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: companies what they say with LeBron and with KD, who
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: are also major people as far as their own shoe brand,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: how it all plays out. What are some of the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: cities could possibly be? I'm just I'm just guessing now
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: would be Las Vegas, Orlando, Florida, which the circuit plays
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: all the time. Probably L.A. and probably New York.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: The place probably with lots of gyms.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: And professional caliber gyms. You mentioned that about Orlando. Wide,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: wide world of Disney.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: It's complex is one of those where they had the
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: NBA bubble. Correct. In twenty twenty.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: And one of the big investors in this thing is
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Paolo Bancaro, the Orlando Magic star who we didn't see
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: it last night. He's currently out with an injury.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: He's a big investor. There you go. I didn't know
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: that Paolo was part of this. I only saw LeBron
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: and KD. So that lit like great point by you, Tyson,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: that lends some credence to, hey, they'll probably play a
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: lot of games in Orlando.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Vegas, we know, has all kinds of basketball courts in
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: their casinos and other places that would host. be able
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: to host these, these games and tournaments. I think it's
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: a really great idea. Obviously these things, especially when they
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: got a lot of money behind them and big names
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: investing in them, like, like LeBron and Katie, they're going
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: to make a big press release and it's going to
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: sound like it's going to be big. It remains to
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: be seen if it's going to be become viable. But
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I think that it sounds like they have a good
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: model in mind. One question I have for you, Gordy,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: because you were over coaching for the NBA, right? Coaching development,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken, at one point. Yes, it was, yeah.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: That's where you really got to know Alex Jensen. One
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: of the ways you really got to know Alex Jensen,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: for example.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: And Kevin Young.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: And Kevin Young. Both of them were with us. As
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: they were coaching in then the D League, right? Yes.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Is there some kind of conflict with... Now, G League coaches,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: head coaches or assistant coaches in the G League level,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: with their contracts with the NBA in that regard, would
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: there be a conflict where they wouldn't be allowed to
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: coach in this kind of a league for youth players?
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Or could they do both?
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: They can do both.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Especially if you're a young assistant, we'll say for the narrative.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: So in 32 years old, assistant coach of a G
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: League team. In April and May, he's probably involved watching
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: films as far as the draft. Now, if he coaches
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: some of these guys, it's even better. Future drafts, he
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: gets to know the players personally and tells the management
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: team about, hey, I coached so-and-so two years ago, and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: here's what he does very well. Here's his personality. So really,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: the intel would be absolutely more accurate. So I would
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: say that each team would like to have one of
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: their coaches on his staff be involved if the NBA
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: allows it. And again, with the coaches involved, There's a
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Players' Union and also a Coaches' Alliance, and so I'm
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: sure they work it out as far as doing it.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Getting back to the AU model versus European, where they
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: do a lot more training. James, this past year, the
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: 26th All-NBA First Team, four to five players are from
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: foreign countries. You know them. Chedras Alexander, Canadian. Nikolaj Jokic, Serbian.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Victor Wimbyamba, Frenchman. Luka Doncic, Slovenian. The only American... born
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: in the USA, is Kate Cunningham. Yeah. So this tells
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: you exactly what it is.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Now, Shea would have went through the AAU system because
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Canadian players often play AAU as well, being in North
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: America there. But the rest of those, the other three
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: that you mentioned, those are European basketball, youth basketball academies that.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Develop those players.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Very much.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: And so, again, usually playing, just for the narrative, most
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: American players are Tremendously athletic, but as a young people,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: they're behind as far as skill level and decision making.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Most European players, just generally speaking, there's always one outlier,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: is that they're much more highly skilled all-around skills. Illustration
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: would be last night, Franz Wagner. That guy's got a handle.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Jazzman saw it. Yeah, six foot eight and a half,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: six nine. He had top of the circle. He's almost
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: like a point forward, almost, trying to initiate offense and
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: also score the ball himself. And you saw what he
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: did last night. unfortunately, to the Jazz defensive players. That
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: would be a classic example for Jazz fans in the
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: present tense. So I think it could work. I mean,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: it's absolutely plausible that it would. with the backing of
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: it and the TV partners, James, don't you love YouTube?
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: YouTube's great. It'd be great for this sort of thing too.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I could see like CW has gotten into the sports world.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I could see them.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Very much.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: You can put your games on our, on our station.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Maybe TNT, which lost the NBA.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: You got that right.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: There's, there's, There's major cable companies that might be able
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: to get into. But you can, at the very least,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: broadcast all these on YouTube and get a large audience
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: that way, which they've done for AAU games for a
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: long time.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: And or we left out Apple TV.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Apple TV, the streaming. Amazon might jump to it as well.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: So it's a possibility.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting story for the hot lunch, I thought.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Hot lunch. I'm hungry right now thinking about it. And
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: my sole purpose in life right now is to help
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: you eat more green vegetables.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that, Gordy. I probably need to. I just
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• 31:06
  Speaker 3: More with Gordy Chiesa next. We'll do more NBA stories,
• 31:10
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• 31:14
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• 31:16
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  Speaker 1: You know, right now Prince, one time I went to
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: a Prince concert back in 1982. I was in Passaic,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: New Jersey before we became Prince. The place was going crazy.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I was the first person I ever saw a mosh pit.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah?
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, first time ever. 1982 Prince concert. Prince, yeah. New Jersey, Passaic,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: at a small venue. And guess what? He was hopping.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: He was good.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was always good, right? But that was the
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: early times when you didn't know for sure.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: You didn't know him. Yeah. And also, he's a basketball fan.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Minnesota T-Wolves, that's his hometown, Minnesota. Minnesota. And so he
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: loves the tables.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I heard.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: He used to love Kevin Garnett.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Maybe from you, I think there's other ESPN radio guys
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: who told stories about he would do private concerts at
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: his home. He would invite a bunch of celebrities and
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: media to do private concerts, and they would play pickup
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: in his backyard.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Is that right?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And also have pancakes at 5 o'clock in the morning.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Can't make this up. Hey, we all love pancakes. I've
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: had pancakes at 5 o'clock in the morning.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: You ever been to one of those private Prince concerts?
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Did you get invited?
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't get invited.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: You knew people that did, though? They told you about
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: the pancakes?
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they told me about the pancakes. That is correct.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. All right, so speaking of amazing, James, about
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the draft, which was last year, I want to talk
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: about four guys that were in the draft, besides the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: main guys. We all know they're all talented. They're all
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: doing a great job. But his four guys, and one
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: guy I'll mention behind the draft, Here we go. Rookie class, underrated,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: playing absolutely sensational. Warriors, Axel Lindenborg. 11th pick of the
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: draft via Michigan National Championship. Are you kidding me? 21.7
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: points per game, 51.8 field goal percentage, 42.6 from threes. Yikes. 7.4
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: rebounds and 3.7 assists. And most of all, he's helped
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Steph Curry hold a fort. No, Steph got hurt last night.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in a few minutes from now.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: But are you kidding me? This guy's played great.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and oh, by the way, he's guarding the other
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: team's best perimeter player most of the time. We all
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: saw opening night when he was trying to get in
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Luka Doncic's head. Luka won that battle, by the way.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: But he fears nobody. And the offense has caught up
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: since that game. It's been fun to watch Yaxl play.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: This is a guy also, you mentioned young guys. and
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: they're not always translate to the NBA. He's 23 years old,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: and people are like, he's too old to be a
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: great player at this point. He's proven that wrong.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, very much. That's a myth. Like, you know, hey,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: who says a guy age 23 is too old? Says who?
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Because remember, you play until, if
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: your head is straight, an injury factor, you might play
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: until age 39 and 40 right now. Next guy, Balik
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Thomas from the Cavaliers.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: You mean Isaiah Thomas? No, Malik Thomas, the 34th pick
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: of the draft out of Arkansas, John Calipari. I know
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: you can recruit, but you're also an underrated coach. He's
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: averaging 13.1 points per game, 47.9 field percentage, 48% from threes.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: So he starts right now. So Sam Merrill, Utah State,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Bountiful Utah fame, is that he starts now. In place
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: of Sam Merrill, they both play in the games, though, certainly,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and he's played tremendous for the Cavaliers as far as
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: a shooting option. Next guy. Those guys, those Thunder, they
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: know what they're doing, all right? Adai Mara, the big guy,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the Spanish, 12th pick of the draft from Michigan, so
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: he's a Lindenburgs teammate, averaging 8.5 points per game, 60.3
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: from the field, 6.3 rebounds, 1.8.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Blocks off the.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Bench, 21.3 minutes per game. So, again, what happened? Chet
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Holmgren's out. He's hurt.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Hartenstein, you love him.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Banger.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: He's always in foul trouble. You know, he's a good player,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: but he's always banging in the lane.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Always wrestling out there.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Exactly right. So, Adai Marek is in a game now.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: He gives him a different look. Also, he's a good passer.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Next guy. He plays on a losing team, but he's
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: got game. All right. For the Sacramento Kings, Darius Acuff.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: All right, seventh pick of the draft, playing 37.4 minutes
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: a game. So he's the future as the Kings try
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: to go forward.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: 40, that sounds like the quarter breaks might be the
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: only time he ever gets out of the game almost.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: That's a lot of minutes for a rookie.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: For a rookie, right. He's only 20 years old. All right,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: he's averaging 26.2 points per game as a rookie, 7.3
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: assists from the foul line, 84.6 assists. Shooting from the field,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: he hasn't improved, though, certainly. 41.8%, which tells you probably
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: some of his shot selection. But he's the future for
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the Kings. By the way, the Kings, are you kidding me?
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: They've been bad for 20 years. They've been to the
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: players only one time in 20 years. It felt like
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: they were.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Turning the corner that year, Gordy, too, but it has
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: not turned that way.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: And then they fired the coach, Mike Brown, for some
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: bizarre reason. And he's the last guy as far as
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: rookie class goes. He's not underrated because he's picked so
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: high in the draft, but he's got such a winning game.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: He's the youngest guy in the NBA. So before I
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: say his name, if his team makes the playoffs this year,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: you get the feeling at age 19, he's going to
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: get a double-double, maybe a triple-double in a playoff game.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: We all know him. We know his dad very well, Kambuza.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: The third pick in the draft, Duke. He's averaging 15.9
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: points per game, 9.8 rebounds per game, 5.5 assists per game.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Already. They did. They'd made a big thing about this
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: on sports center to Gordy already has a triple double,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: which was like Boozer took him four or five years
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: into his career to get his only triple double. And,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: and Cam, Carlos Boozer, that is Cam Boozer, his son.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: He's not even through the first half of his first season.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: He's already got a triple-double. Has he got another one
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: since then? No, he's got one so far. So, I mean,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: what a game he has. Absolutely.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: So, do you know that myth, James, that you and
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I talk about often before the draft in June? Is that, oh,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: by the way, after the first four, five, six guys
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: in the draft, the draft isn't good. Really? I've heard
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: that logic for about... 38 years in the NBA, and
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: guess what? You're delusionary. When people say that, you should
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: tell them, call us on the phone. I'll explain to
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: you why you're delusionary, all right? Because it's such a myth. Because,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: you know, you can't judge people as far as their heart,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: their toughness, their skill set, how they play. And there's
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: no correlation, even though it's the same 10 feet in
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: a basket, between high-level college basketball and what in the NBA?
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: So that some players need time to adjust, others never adjust.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Because they have knuckleheads, and also that they don't want
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: to ever defend or shoot in rhythm. And so these guys,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: to their credit, these young fellas right now, they get it,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: and I'm glad for them.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. I think for the guys you mentioned, there
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: are guys who picked... if they're later oh yeah they
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: were actually yes so that so they these guys are
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: debunking that myth early on can boozers playing like he's
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: the best player out of this draft so far. Darren
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Peterson's coming around, though, like we said. And we believe A.J.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: DeBonsa will look like the best player in the draft
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: at some point.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: All right, James, what's a myth about the NFL?
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: A myth about the NFL?
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a myth. Like a myth. People say it all
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: the time. That's not true. That's not true.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'll say this. The myth is they have
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: the most parity of any league in American professional sports.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Baseball has way more parity than the NFL. Okay, there
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: you go. All right. I'll say that. As far as
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: the playoffs go, regular season, the teams who spend the
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: most tend to win the division and whatnot. But when
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: the playoffs come, baseball has the most parity.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: And it's all based on pitching and it's based on
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: being a manager. All I know, James, I'm a baseball geek,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: but all I know is one thing is that in
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: playoff baseball, the manager is absolutely front and center. that
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: almost everybody on the roster gets in the game. It's
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: like crazy. Yeah. Like everybody, like.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Every pitcher gets in the game.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: You got that right. And that's a management. All right, Tyson,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: what do you think? Any myth, Tyson?
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: You know, they always say defense wins championships, but I
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: don't think that's a myth.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: I think that's fact.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very much. It's fact.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Best offensive teams in the NFL nowadays tend to do.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: really well, though.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Here's a myth.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: More than they used to.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Here's a myth right now. NFL. You guys correct me. Oh,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: you can't be because of the hard cap in the NFL,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: you can't be good on both sides.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Of the ball. Yeah.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Is that a myth, Tyson?
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Or is it truism?
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: No, I think it's true. The teams that win the
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl or go to the Super Bowl are often
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: top ten at the very least, if not top five
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: on both sides. And they're usually teams that have quarterbacks
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: that are on rookie contracts, and so you don't have
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: a whole lot of guys that are making huge money,
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: and so you can build a complete roster. Is that
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: going to end up being a myth someday that you
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: can't win a Super Bowl with a quarterback who's not
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: on a rookie contract maybe? Not guys like Tom Brady
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: and Mahomes who started to take less than the max,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: if you will. That's an NBA term.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: No, you're right.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: But take less than what they probably could in order
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: to help the rest of the team build out. Maybe
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: that ends up being a myth.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: How about Kirk Cousins now being traded?
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins, I mean, that should be a big deal
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: for the Minnesota Vikings. Absolutely. They got to fix that
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: quarterback spot, so that should be good.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: And they're a good team.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: And that means the Fernando Mendoza era begins in Vegas.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: And speaking of the era beginning right now, is the
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: era also called injury list? Yes.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh. So you mentioned briefly, Gordy, Steph Curry
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: is the latest of big-time NBA stars who are out
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: at least a month. We don't know the timeline for
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Steph yet. At least I haven't seen anything from Shams
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: about that yet.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just guessing he's out with an oblique injury last night.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and an abdomen injury is what they said.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very much. So I'm just guessing usually it takes
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: about three weeks.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: At least three weeks, you think? Yeah, usually.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, it does.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: It may even be longer than that.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And with Steph Curry, guess what? Don't mess around with
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: him because you need him later on. You don't need
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: him on December 1st. You need him on– in their
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: world later on in as far as later on December.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: So get them healthy right now.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: So the question is always is I, the thunder, those guys,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: the thunder right now, they have it rolling. They're eight
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: and four. And even though it sounds very trivial, they've
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: actually overachieved because they've had some unbelievable, incredible injuries and
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: they're able to led by one, their system and the
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: MVP of the league, two times in a row as
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: far as when he showed his Alexander, they're able to
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: hang in there for all this situation, and that's why
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: they're elite. So think about playing. These guys are playing
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: for the last month or so without Jalen Williams, who's
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: an all-pro player, left ankle, fractured fibula. He comes back
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: roughly April 1st.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, so maybe he's back for the playoffs?
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Not for the regular season, though, it seems like.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Cason Wallace. They gave an extension to a tremendous two-way player.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: He made second-team all-defense last year. Left shoulder, torn labrum. Also,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: maybe they get him back early April.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Again, there's a question mark. And then Chet Holmgren, right
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: near patella tendonitis tear, which is absolutely normal for big guys.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: There's so much wear on their patella. He'll come back
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: roughly January 10th. I'm just guessing, based on It's a
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: long time, though. Yeah. That's two months from now. Two
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: months from now. And so that's why I mentioned for
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: about a day, Mara, as far as how valuable he
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: is for the Thunder, and he is. So the question
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: always is, what team can overcome major injuries to still
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: be highly competitive to get to the finish line?
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: What?
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: The Holy Grail, the playoffs.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: It's also good for Jazz fans to see. Jazz have
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: serious injuries right now. Guy's out. Lowry's going to be
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: out for at least another month. jaron jackson jr at
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: least another month it's it was six to eight weeks
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: so eight weeks would be just after christmas uh so
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: around january for him uh nurk is out he's gonna
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: be re-evaluated in about eight to ten days from now
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: was the last update we got and he might end
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: up missing longer time than that depending on the evaluation
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: so Lots of injuries for the Jazz, but they're not
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: the only team dealing with this. There are so many
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: big names out, bigger names than the Jazz have, that
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: are out until December, January, Gordy. This has been a
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: tough early part of the season for NBA stars and
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: for NBA teams dealing with injuries from their stars. And
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Steph's just the latest.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Very much so. Think about the Golden State Warriors. Also,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: they're overachieving. I know you have Steph, minus last night.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: They're 8-4. Jimmy Butler's out. Hasn't played yet. They're getting
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: back roughly January 15th. Right knee torn ACL ligament.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Happened last January. Prazingis might retire. He has some sort
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: of health issue. They haven't said. They're saying it's a
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: personal issue. Right.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't know.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: So the privacy, which we're going to respect that. And
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: then as far as him not being there. And so
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: they have, he's out. And so Moses Moody, Moses Moody's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: out also. And so he rotation player very much. It's
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: all part of it. And they're able to hang in there.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Draymond, interestingly enough, he's trying to pump his team up.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: He's that kind of emotional leader for them. He's saying
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: we'll be fine without Steph. I think he's he's lying
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: to keep the morale up a little bit. But I mean,
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: to the point that you made earlier, one of the
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: things he said is one of the reasons why he
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: believes they'll be fine until they can get Steph back
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: whenever that is. Yaxel is playing above expectations as an
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: offensive player in particular, and Pajemski continues to grow. He
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: mentioned those two in particular, and he said Pajemski was
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: not at this level last season when we were dealing
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: with injuries, and we didn't have a young guy like
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Yaxel to help us get through this kind of thing.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: So Draymond... believes in his team to be able to
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: get through this without Jimmy for another couple months, and
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: who knows how long Steph is out there, undoubted best player.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. And also, former Jazz man, he's
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: been a very key part off the bench for them,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: George Niang.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's on the team now, yeah.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: And he's played well for them, James.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: The minivan.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Minivan, that's exactly right, the minivan. They love a guy,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: all these guys have these hot rod cars, you know,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: all these have these cars that cost half a million dollars, etc.,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: and George Yang drives a minivan. See, like, this is
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: what makes life so interesting, James.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: And so injuries are a factor what team can overcome them.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: For example, just think about the Charlotte Hornets, just for
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: a second, all right? So let's not talk about as
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: far as the elite teams. The Charlotte Hornets. Last year,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: this guy was the second as far as– Rookie of
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: the Year in the NBA. And now he's hurt. He's
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: only played a total of six minutes this season right now.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Conn Knipple. A knockdown shooter for the Charlotte Hornets has
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: now played. The Hornets traded for Dennis Schroeder last summer.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: They get him. He's out right now. Until the middle
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: of December. So the Hornets, a lesser team that we
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: never talk about. Every team has injuries. So the question is,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: who can overcome them? I always talk about when injuries...
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: From a player's point of view, next person up, now
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: you have a chance to play meaningful minutes. So please
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: take advantage of it.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Gordie, what's your list today?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I have a list today. Let's talk offense for a second.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: That is Tyson's favorite subject, offense. Most Korea, 60-plus point
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: player games in regular season competition. So how many times
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: have the players scored 60 points or more?
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Gordie.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You mean 40? No. 50?
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: No.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I'm talking 60. Because we get the feeling here at
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: ESPN Radio 700 that Luka Doncic might get 60 very shortly.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: He had 52 against the Jazz at the Delta Center
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: opening week.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Shea might get 60 for a depleted Thunder. And Victor
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: went beyond, but that guy might get 60 in some
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: game on a snowy night in Toronto or something. All right,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: so here we go. Here's the attributes for somebody scoring
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: 60 points or more in a game, generally speaking. One,
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  Speaker 1: driving skills. Two, range shooting expertise. Three, post up inside
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  Speaker 1: demon finisher. You've got to be a demon to finish
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  Speaker 1: in the lane.
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  Speaker 3: Four.
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  Speaker 1: Foul line accuracy resonant. You're always getting fouled in a
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  Speaker 1: game to add to your total. Five, to score 60
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  Speaker 1: in a game for career-wise, you need pass-happy floor mates.
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  Speaker 1: They have to give you the ball on time and rhythm.
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  Speaker 1: And the last point about it, what do you need
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  Speaker 1: as far as attribute? You've got to be alpha dog,
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  Speaker 1: supreme confidence. Got to be an alpha dog. Give me
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  Speaker 1: the ball. I can get 60 in this game. We'll
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  Speaker 1: wait the ebb and flow of the game. It's a
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  Speaker 1: very short list as far as doing it. All right,
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  Speaker 1: here's the guys. With two 60-point games or more in
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  Speaker 1: their career, they are Carl Anthony Towns, Devin Booker, and
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  Speaker 1: Steph Curry. With three 60-plus-point games, they are Luka Dantic
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  Speaker 1: and Elgin Beller. With four 60-plus games, they are James
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  Speaker 1: Harden and Michael Jordan.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he's amazing. Number three, the pride of Weber State University, Oakland,
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  Speaker 1: Oakland CA. We all love him. Dame Lillard did it
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  Speaker 1: five times.
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  Speaker 3: Five times?
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  Speaker 1: Five times.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe he gets one this season. He's played really well
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  Speaker 3: coming back from that Achilles.
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  Speaker 1: Good point. Second all-time with six, Kobe Bryant. including a
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  Speaker 1: 60-point game versus Utah Jazz on April 13, 2016, the
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  Speaker 1: last game of legendary Korea Kobe, where he scored 60
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  Speaker 1: versus the Jazz at the Staples Center. All right, the
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  Speaker 1: number one player.
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  Speaker 3: And he dropped the mic and said Mamba out afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I like that. Let's add to the Palace intrigue.
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  Speaker 1: All right, the number one player in the history of basketball.
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  Speaker 3: This.
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  Speaker 1: Might never be broken. Might not.
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  Speaker 3: Might.
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  Speaker 1: Will Chamberlain scored 60 points or more in an NBA
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  Speaker 1: game 32 times. 32 times, Gordy. 32 times in an
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  Speaker 1: NBA game. All right, what about jazz basketball? All right,
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  Speaker 1: New Orleans jazz, Utah jazz. Two dynamic scores scored 60
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  Speaker 1: points or more in a game. One, Pete Maravich. On
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  Speaker 1: February 25th, 1977, versus the Knicks in Masswear Garden, Pete
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  Speaker 1: scored 68 points versus the Knicks. And the Jazz won.
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  Speaker 1: Even better than that, Pete fouled out with a minute
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  Speaker 1: and 18 seconds left. So he had 60. The place
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  Speaker 1: was going crazy as far as cheering for him because
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  Speaker 1: they never showed someone that happened like that versus the Knicks.
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  Speaker 1: So Pete scored 68 points, Knickerbockers, and he fouled out.
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  Speaker 3: And this one.
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  Speaker 1: I was there, front and center, coaching the Jazz, Carl Malone.
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  Speaker 1: On January 27, 1990, versus the Milwaukee Bucks in the
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  Speaker 1: Salt Palace, Carl scored 61 points in 33 minutes. Here's
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  Speaker 1: his stat line. 21 for 26 from the field. 19
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  Speaker 1: for 23 from the charity stripe. 18 rebounds and 2 assists.
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  Speaker 1: And the Jazz won. But here's the subplot, James. I
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  Speaker 1: know you and Tyson love these subplots. Yeah. Before the game,
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  Speaker 1: two days earlier, the fans voted.
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  Speaker 3: A.C.
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  Speaker 1: Green as the starting power forward for the 1990 All-Star
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  Speaker 1: Game in Miami. The NBA, after the ballot differential, at
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  Speaker 1: that time, only the fans voted. No one else voted,
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  Speaker 1: only the fans. So the NBA added, right after that,
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  Speaker 1: the following season, they added the media, the head coaches,
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  Speaker 1: and the present NBA players as components of the All-Star
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  Speaker 1: voting process. So Carl doesn't get to be first team
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  Speaker 1: as far as All-Star starter. The very next game, Carl
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  Speaker 1: scores 61 points. I told you so. Let's add to this.
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  Speaker 1: The Milwaukee Bucks, three players that were trying to guard Carl,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Was Brad Lohaus, yikes. Agent Jack Sigma, yikes. And Frank Bukowski, yikes.
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  Speaker 1: We're trying to guard call. So, the Salt Palace, James, 1990.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and by the way, they just announced, the league
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: just announced that for the first time since 1990, the
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: All-Star Game is going to be in Miami next season,
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  Speaker 3: February 2028. So, things come in full circle. Full circle.
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  Speaker 1: So that's my list of today about career scoring 60 points.
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  Speaker 1: My wilt got 32 times. James, are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 4: Well, he averaged about 50 points per game in an
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  Speaker 4: entire season in 1962.
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  Speaker 3: It's true.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly right. He averaged 50.4. The coach was a
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  Speaker 1: guy named Frank McGuire. He used to coach University of
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina. Then he coached also South Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. Gordy, thank you so much for coming in.
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  Speaker 3: Love you, dog.
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  Speaker 1: Love you. Thank you very much. Peace out, fellas.
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  Speaker 3: All right, that's Gordy Chiesa brought to you by Aladdin Industries.
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• 54:30
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