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Husband's Chilling Post Before Killing Wife Over Football Game · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: It's December 22nd in Lakeland, Florida.
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  Speaker 2: Just a few days before Christmas. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And the scene inside this house is probably a
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  Speaker 1: lot like the one, you know, many of you listening
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  Speaker 1: have experienced in your own homes right around that time
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  Speaker 1: of year.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. The tree is lit up. There are
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  Speaker 2: wrapped gifts everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the kids are settling down and the family is
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  Speaker 1: just relaxing in the living room watching Monday Night Football.
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  Speaker 2: Just a completely normal, cozy holiday evening.
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  Speaker 1: But then just 10 minutes later, that quiet suburban peace
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  Speaker 1: is just, it's completely shattered.
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  Speaker 2: It's just entirely destroyed.
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  Speaker 1: A mother is dead. A 13-year-old girl is fighting for
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  Speaker 1: her life with just a catastrophic gunshot wound to the face.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And a 12-year-old boy is sprinting through the
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  Speaker 1: dark to a neighbor's house. And the father is on
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  Speaker 1: the run, armed and dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost impossible to wrap your head around.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. Like, how does a mundane, everyday request
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  Speaker 1: to just change the television channel end in an absolute bloodbath?
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  Speaker 2: It's a sequence of events that, on the surface... completely
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  Speaker 2: defies human logic.
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  Speaker 1: It really does.
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  Speaker 2: You look at that timeline and your brain naturally tries
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  Speaker 2: to reject it because, you know, we want to believe
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  Speaker 2: that extreme violence requires an extreme obvious provocation.
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  Speaker 1: Right. We need it to make sense. Well, welcome to
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  Speaker 1: today's deep dive. We are looking at a deeply disturbing
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  Speaker 1: domestic tragedy that dominated the headlines as the football game murder.
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  Speaker 2: A really sensational headline, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Very clickbait heavy. But our mission today is to look
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  Speaker 1: way past that sensational framing.
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  Speaker 2: Because there's so much more to it.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. We have an incredible source document for this. It's
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  Speaker 1: a detailed investigative transcript from the Law and Crime Network.
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  Speaker 2: And it features some really profound insights from a retired
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  Speaker 2: Chicago police detective commander, Wills Varr. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And using that, we are going to unpack the complex
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  Speaker 1: web of warning signs that illustrate the unseen buildup to
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  Speaker 1: domestic violence.
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  Speaker 2: The things that happen behind closed doors. Before the violence
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  Speaker 2: actually erupts.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. We want to help you understand the critical context
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  Speaker 1: behind tragedies like this and the immense, almost impossible systemic
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  Speaker 1: challenges that law enforcement faces when responding.
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  Speaker 2: Because, as we'll see today, this was absolutely not about football.
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  Speaker 1: No, it wasn't. Okay, let's unpack this. We're in that
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  Speaker 1: living room. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Back to that Monday night.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Kenney, who is 47 years old, is watching his team,
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  Speaker 1: the San Francisco 49ers.
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  Speaker 2: And he's been drinking.
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  Speaker 1: He has. And a really critical detail here is that
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  Speaker 1: his team is winning. Like, they are winning big.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that specific detail fundamentally alters how we have to
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  Speaker 2: analyze the initial trigger. How so? Well, if his team
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  Speaker 2: were blowing a massive lead or if there was a
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  Speaker 2: controversial call by a referee, people might try to neatly
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  Speaker 2: categorize this as sports-induced rage. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like, we've all seen people throw a remote at the
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  Speaker 1: wall when their team loses. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. But that's not what is happening here at all.
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  Speaker 2: There is no external frustration for him to feed off of.
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  Speaker 1: So he's not angry about the game? No.
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  Speaker 2: The team is cruising to a victory. There's no sports-related stress.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's around 11 p.m. The game is winding down.
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  Speaker 1: The outcome is basically decided.
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  Speaker 2: And this is when his wife, Crystal Kinney, speaks up.
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  Speaker 1: Right. She simply suggests that they change the channel. She
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  Speaker 1: just wants to watch something else.
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  Speaker 2: Just a totally normal domestic request.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And from that one sentence... fight explodes with such
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  Speaker 1: terrifying speed that Crystal instantly realizes she is in lethal danger.
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  Speaker 2: It escalated that fast? It did.
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  Speaker 1: She doesn't argue back. She doesn't yell. She just turns
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  Speaker 1: to her 12-year-old son and tells him to run.
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  Speaker 2: She knew immediately.
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  Speaker 1: She knew. She said, get out, go to the neighbor's house,
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  Speaker 1: call 911.
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  Speaker 2: What a terrifying moment for a 12-year-old.
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  Speaker 1: Unimaginable. The boy flees out the door, and as he
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  Speaker 1: is running away from his own home, he hears the
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  Speaker 1: first gunshot ring out.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And when I look at this escalation, I don't
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  Speaker 1: see a sudden snap.
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  Speaker 2: No, snapping implies it came out of nowhere. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like, if you think about structural engineering, when a building collapses,
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  Speaker 1: it rarely happens because a stiff breeze hit it.
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  Speaker 2: It collapses because there were underlying issues. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: For months, maybe years, microfractures have been compromising the foundation
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  Speaker 1: deep underground.
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  Speaker 2: Yet the breeze is just the final stress test that
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  Speaker 2: the building fails.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. The Monday night football game wasn't the root cause
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  Speaker 1: of this violence. It was just the breeze that brought
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  Speaker 1: the house down.
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  Speaker 2: That structural stress test analogy is exactly how behavioral psychologists
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  Speaker 2: view domestic homicide. Really? Oh, yeah. By the time the
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  Speaker 2: argument over the television channel happens, you are absolutely no
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  Speaker 2: longer arguing about the television channel. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It's about everything else.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. You are dealing with an individual whose internal baseline
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  Speaker 2: of agitation is already redlining.
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  Speaker 1: So he's just waiting for a reason to go off.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. When someone is in that highly altered, volatile state,
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  Speaker 2: and we will get into the specific chemistry of what
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  Speaker 2: was driving Jason Kenney's state shortly, their central nervous system
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  Speaker 2: is in a constant state of hyperarousal.
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  Speaker 1: So everything feels like a threat.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. The brain begins to misinterpret completely neutral stimuli, like
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  Speaker 2: a mundane request to change the channel. as a profound
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  Speaker 2: personal attack or a threat to their control.
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  Speaker 1: So why is it that the most mundane, everyday disagreements,
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  Speaker 1: like who holds the TV remote, are so often the
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  Speaker 1: flashpoints for the most extreme domestic violence?
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  Speaker 2: Well, to really understand that explosion, you have to look
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  Speaker 2: at the immediate fallout, which actually takes us inside the
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  Speaker 2: house when the deputies arrive.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because the deputies respond incredibly fast here.
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  Speaker 2: Very fast.
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  Speaker 1: The 12-year-old makes that 911 call, and law enforcement is
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  Speaker 1: pulling up to the house in under five minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Which is an exceptional response time. It is.
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  Speaker 1: But even with that rapid response, they are walking into
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  Speaker 1: an absolute nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the source material emphasizes how horrifying it was.
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  Speaker 1: The sources say this is the kind of scene that
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  Speaker 1: permanently alters the first responders who cross the threshold.
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  Speaker 2: It stays with them forever.
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  Speaker 1: They find Crystal Kinney dead from a gunshot wound to
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  Speaker 1: the head.
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  Speaker 2: Just awful.
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  Speaker 1: And then they move deeper into the house, into a bedroom,
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  Speaker 1: and they find Crystal's 13-year-old stepdaughter.
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  Speaker 2: Jason's stepdaughter.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And Jason has shot her twice. One bullet hit
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  Speaker 1: her in the shoulder.
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  Speaker 2: And the other?
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  Speaker 1: The second bullet hit her in the face.
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  Speaker 2: And this is where the sheer brutality of the act
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  Speaker 2: becomes undeniable.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I am stuck on the physical logistics of
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  Speaker 1: this because it feels impossible.
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  Speaker 2: The injury itself, you mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the bullet entered the bridge of her nose, traveled
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  Speaker 1: straight up, and exited the top of her head.
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  Speaker 2: Which sounds completely unsurvivable.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and yet she survived. She was rushed to Lakeland
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  Speaker 1: Regional Health, critical but stable.
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  Speaker 2: A miracle, really.
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  Speaker 1: How is that anatomically possible? When you hear a trajectory
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  Speaker 1: like bridge of the nose to the top of the head,
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  Speaker 1: you assume instant fatality.
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  Speaker 2: You do. It is a phenomenal biological anomaly, but it
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  Speaker 2: comes down to the exact millimeter geometry of the human
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  Speaker 2: skull and the bullet's path.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, walk me through that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when a projectile enters the facial structure at that
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  Speaker 2: specific upward angle, there is a very narrow corridor where
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  Speaker 2: it can travel through the sinus cavities and the frontal lobe.
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  Speaker 1: Without hitting the really vital stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Without completely severing the vital structures located deeper and
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  Speaker 2: lower in the brain.
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  Speaker 1: Like the brainstem.
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  Speaker 2: Right, the brainstem, the medulla, the areas that control your
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  Speaker 2: autonomic functions like heartbeat and breathing. Those are situated lower down,
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  Speaker 2: near the base of the skull.
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  Speaker 1: So the bullet just essentially went over them.
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  Speaker 2: Because the bullet traveled at a steep upward trajectory, it
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  Speaker 2: entirely bypassed those immediate life-sustaining centers.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the trauma to the frontal lobe is catastrophic, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: and the physiological shock to the body is massive.
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  Speaker 1: But she didn't die. No.
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  Speaker 2: The heart keeps beating. The lungs keep drawing air.
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  Speaker 1: And not only is she breathing, but the medics and
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  Speaker 1: police realize she is alert enough to actually speak.
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  Speaker 2: Despite that level of trauma?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. She tells the officers, I begged him, don't shoot me,
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  Speaker 1: don't shoot me, don't shoot me, and he shot me anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's just chilling. That statement strips away any defense
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  Speaker 2: of a crime of passion or a temporary blackout.
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  Speaker 1: He knew exactly what he was doing.
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  Speaker 2: He stood over a 13-year-old child who's actively pleading for
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  Speaker 2: her life, looking him in the eyes. And he consciously
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  Speaker 2: chose to pull the trigger twice. It's sick. That requires
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  Speaker 2: a chilling level of calculated intent.
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  Speaker 1: And that intent becomes even more terrifying when you look
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  Speaker 1: at the very next room. Right.
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  Speaker 2: The nursery.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Because while Crystal is dead and the 13-year-old is
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  Speaker 1: bleeding out, the deputies find a one-year-old child, Jason's biological infant,
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  Speaker 1: sitting in a crib completely unharmed.
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  Speaker 2: Not a scratch on the baby.
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  Speaker 1: Not a scratch.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the psychological compartmentalization required to execute
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  Speaker 2: that specific sequence of violence.
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  Speaker 1: To spare one child but shoot the other.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Think about the sensory overload of that moment. Adrenaline
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  Speaker 2: is flooding the system. The fight-or-flight response is fully engaged.
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  Speaker 1: Right. A gun is firing in an enclosed space.
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  Speaker 2: It's deafeningly loud.
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  Speaker 1: A person who has genuinely snapped and lost all cognitive
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  Speaker 1: control would be lashing out indiscriminately.
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  Speaker 2: Just shooting at anything that moves.
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  Speaker 1: Just shooting at anything that moves.
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  Speaker 2: But you... and Kenny didn't do that. Amidst all that chaos,
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  Speaker 2: he exhibited highly selective targeting.
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  Speaker 1: He knew who he wanted to hurt.
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  Speaker 2: He ruthlessly executed his wife.
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  Speaker 1: He hunted down and attempted to execute his stepdaughter.
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  Speaker 2: But he completely bypassed his own biological child's crib.
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  Speaker 1: Which means he was thinking clearly enough to make that choice.
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  Speaker 2: That tells us that he was making distinct, categorized choices.
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  Speaker 2: He was separating the people in that house into who
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  Speaker 2: he felt deserved to die and who he felt deserved
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  Speaker 2: to live.
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  Speaker 1: Which means this wasn't a sudden loss of control. It
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  Speaker 1: was an execution list.
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  Speaker 2: That's a grim way to put it, but accurate.
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  Speaker 1: But from a purely tactical standpoint, I really want to
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  Speaker 1: understand how the deputies operate in those first few minutes.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredibly complex.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you have a 12-year-old neighbor calling 911 from outside.
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  Speaker 1: You walk into a house that smells like gunpowder and copper.
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  Speaker 2: Blood and violence everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You have a deceased victim. You have a 13-year-old
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  Speaker 1: with a catastrophic facial wound, bleeding profusely. You have an
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  Speaker 1: infant in a crib. And the shooter, the man who
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  Speaker 1: just did all of this, is nowhere to be found.
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  Speaker 2: They have no idea where he is.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. How do they secure a scene when there's an
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  Speaker 1: active medical emergency, multiple victims, and the shooter is missing?
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  Speaker 2: It is arguably the most dangerous and chaotic environment a
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  Speaker 2: patrol officer can face. And it requires overriding every normal
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  Speaker 2: human instinct.
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  Speaker 1: Because their instinct is to help the kids, right? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Detective Commander Varr breaks this down expertly. When you hear
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  Speaker 2: a child crying and see a teenager bleeding out, your
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  Speaker 2: human instinct is to drop your weapon, drop your radio,
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  Speaker 2: and immediately render aid.
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  Speaker 1: But they can't do that. No.
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  Speaker 2: Standard operating procedure for close quarters battle, or CQB, dictates
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  Speaker 2: a rigid order of operations. First, you have to assume
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  Speaker 2: the shooter is still in the house, waiting in ambush.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, so if they rush in to help.
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  Speaker 2: If the officers rush to the victims and get shot
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  Speaker 2: in the back by a perpetrator hiding in a closet,
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  Speaker 2: now you have dead cops and the victims still die. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So they have to clear the house while the victims
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  Speaker 1: are literally waiting for help.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It's called clearing the fatal funnels.
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  Speaker 1: Fatal funnels. Right.
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  Speaker 2: They have to move tactically through the house, pying corners.
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  Speaker 2: sweeping every single bathroom, looking under beds.
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  Speaker 1: That must take so much discipline.
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  Speaker 2: It does. They have to verify that the immediate vicinity
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  Speaker 2: is secure before they can allow paramedics inside, because EMS
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  Speaker 2: protocols generally forbid medical personnel from entering a hot zone.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Paramedics aren't armed.
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  Speaker 2: Once the perimeter is declared safe, the pivot is instantaneous.
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  Speaker 2: The tactical mindset switches to a trauma mindset.
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  Speaker 1: So they go from hunting to healing.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. They apply pressure to the wounds. They secure the infant.
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  Speaker 2: They coordinate the trauma transport for the 13-year-old.
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  Speaker 1: And they talk to the 12-year-old.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. They start gathering the fragmented intelligence from that brave
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  Speaker 2: 12-year-old boy. And all of that data instantly feeds into
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  Speaker 2: the manhunt.
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  Speaker 1: Because while the deputies were clearing those rooms and rendering aid,
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  Speaker 1: Jason Kinney was already gone.
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  Speaker 2: He was moving fast.
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  Speaker 1: He was. He had already enacted his escape plan, taking
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  Speaker 1: the narrative out of that Lakeland living room and onto
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  Speaker 1: the open road. Right.
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  Speaker 2: He fled the immediate area.
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  Speaker 1: He heads toward Lake Wales. And on that drive, he
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  Speaker 1: makes a phone call.
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  Speaker 2: But not to the police. No.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't call 911 to surrender. He doesn't call for
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  Speaker 1: an ambulance for the stepdaughter he just shot. He calls
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  Speaker 1: his sister.
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  Speaker 2: Who lives far away, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She lives hundreds of miles away in upstate New York.
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  Speaker 1: And he leaves a voicemail that is just, it's incredibly revealing.
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  Speaker 2: It really gives you a look inside his mind.
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  Speaker 1: I want to read the exact quote. He says, I've
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  Speaker 1: done something very, very bad.
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  Speaker 2: Very bad.
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  Speaker 1: I did something terrible, and this is the last time
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  Speaker 1: you'll ever talk to me. You'll see me on the news.
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  Speaker 1: But I am not going to jail. I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to jail for the rest of my life.
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  Speaker 2: Let's dissect the linguistics of that voicemail, because it provides
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  Speaker 2: a perfect window into into the psychology of a family
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  Speaker 2: annihilator on the run.
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  Speaker 1: What stands out to you?
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  Speaker 2: Notice the profound lack of accountability in his word choices.
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  Speaker 1: I've done something very, very bad.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. He doesn't say, I murdered my wife. He doesn't say,
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  Speaker 2: I shot a child in the face.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't name the victims at all. Right.
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  Speaker 2: He takes this horrific, devastating act of violence and reduces
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  Speaker 2: it to the language a toddler would use when they
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  Speaker 2: break a vase. I did something bad.
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  Speaker 1: It completely minimizes the reality of what he just did.
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  Speaker 1: It's entirely self-centered.
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  Speaker 2: It is pure narcissism.
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  Speaker 1: The victims don't even exist in his narrative.
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  Speaker 2: It's all about him. The entire focus of the message
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  Speaker 2: is on his own fate, his own image. You'll see
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  Speaker 2: me on the news. There is almost a grandiose framing
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  Speaker 2: to it.
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  Speaker 1: Like he's famous now.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, an awareness of his newfound infamy. And then he
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  Speaker 2: delivers his absolute bottom line. I am not going to jail.
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  Speaker 1: He's making the rules.
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  Speaker 2: In that moment, he has appointed himself as the judge,
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  Speaker 2: the jury, and the executioner. He has already dictated the
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  Speaker 2: terms of his own ending, before law enforcement even knows
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  Speaker 2: what highway he is driving on.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he ends up at a property owned by his
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  Speaker 1: deceased father.
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  Speaker 2: A place he knew well.
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  Speaker 1: Right. The property is currently in probate. There is a
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  Speaker 1: friend staying in the main house, but Jason bypasses the
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  Speaker 1: main house entirely.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be seen.
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  Speaker 1: No, he barricades himself inside a detached shed on the property.
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  Speaker 2: This standoff situation?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Sheriff Grady Judd's deputies track him down to this location.
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  Speaker 1: They form a tight perimeter around the shed.
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  Speaker 2: They've got him boxed in.
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  Speaker 1: They have him cornered. And they are issuing verbal commands,
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  Speaker 1: yelling for him to come out with his hands up.
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  Speaker 2: Standard procedure.
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  Speaker 1: Now, we constantly hear the word de-escalation in the context
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  Speaker 1: of modern policing. But I look at the scenario and
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  Speaker 1: I have to ask you, how is that even mechanically
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  Speaker 1: possible here?
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  Speaker 2: It's incredibly difficult.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You have a barricaded suspect who just committed unspeakable
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  Speaker 1: violence against his own family. You know from the voicemail
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  Speaker 1: that he has explicitly vowed to never go to prison.
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  Speaker 2: He's made his intentions clear.
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  Speaker 1: He has absolutely nothing to lose. So how do officers
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  Speaker 1: attempt to negotiate with a man whose mind is already
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  Speaker 1: made up?
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: The grim reality of tactical negotiation is that de-escalation requires
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: a willing participant on the other side of the door.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Which he is not.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Not at all. It requires a suspect who still places
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: some fundamental value on their own survival, or who fears
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: the immediate pain of dying more than the distant prospect
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: of a prison cell.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: And he's already said he won't go to jail. Right.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Detective R highlights how agonizing this position is for law enforcement.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: When you are dealing with a barricaded suspect who has
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: articulated a concrete vow to never be taken alive, the
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: standard crisis negotiation playbook is essentially useless.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Because if he's willing to die, he is probably willing
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: to take a few deputies with him.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Precisely. You have to operate under the assumption that a
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: man who can look a pleading 13-year-old child in the
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: eye and pull the trigger will not hesitate for a
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: microsecond to shoot a police officer through the wall of
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: that shed.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: So they can't just walk up and knock on the door.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: No. The tactical approach shifts entirely from persuasion to absolute containment.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Just keep him in the shed.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: The primary goal is no longer to talk him out.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: The primary goal is to ensure he cannot break the
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: perimeter and harm the public.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Or the deputies.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The deputies use heavy cover. They might try to
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: initiate dialogue just to keep him distracted, but they accept
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: that the outcome is entirely dictated by the suspect's timeline.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: They just have to wait him out. Yes.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: They prepare for a suicide-by-cop scenario where the suspect is
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: bursts out and feigns an attack to force the officers
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: to deliver the fatal shot. Or they prepare for a
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: self-inflicted resolution inside the barricade.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: And in this case, it's the latter.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: The deputies are outside calling for his surrender. And from
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: inside the dark shed, they hear a single gunshot.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: That's the end of it.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: When the tactical team finally makes entry, they find Jason
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Kenney dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: So the immediate physical threat to the community is permanently neutralized.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: The manhunt is over.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: He will never sit in the back of a squad car.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: He will never stand before a judge in a courtroom.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: And he will never again have access to his surviving children.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: But the investigative mystery was actually just beginning.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Because the physical threat ended, but the questions didn't. Exactly.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Because while Jason's life ended in that shed in Lake Wales,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the crime scene investigators back at the house in Lakeland
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: were meticulously processing the aftermath.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Finding the pieces.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: And amidst the wreckage of that living room, they found
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: a piece of evidence left completely in plain sight that
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: fundamentally changed our understanding of this tragedy.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't what you'd expect.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: No, it wasn't a weapon. It wasn't a bloody footprint.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: It was a handwritten note.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: And this handwritten note acts as the Rosetta Stone for
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: understanding the entire dynamic of that household.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: It really does. It was an open, handwritten note from
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Crystal to Jason.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Just left out.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Yes. It wasn't tucked away in a drawer. It was
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: just left out on a counter. And it reads, you
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: know you're drinking. You're using cocaine again. This is not
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: the way the family should be. You need God. Wow.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Think about the immense weight of that single sentence.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: It changes the whole story.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: In one stroke of a pen, we go from this
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: public narrative of a sudden inexplicable crime of passion over
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: a Monday night football game.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: To something much darker.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, to the grim, exhausting reality of a chronic domestic
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: crisis fueled by substance abuse and ideological friction.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I see that note as the black box of their marriage.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: That's a good way to look at it. Right.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: When a commercial airliner crashes... people stand around the wreckage
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: scratching their heads, wondering what could have possibly gone wrong
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: in those final 30 seconds.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Of the flight. But the problems started way earlier.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Exactly. The investigators recover the black box, they listen to
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the cockpit audio, and they realize that warning alarms were blaring,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: systems were failing, and the pilots were struggling for hundreds
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: of miles before the plane ever hit the ground.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: The crash was just the final impact.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Right. Crystal's note is the black box recording. It proves
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: that the turbulence in that house existed long before the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: argument over the remote control.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: And the specific details in that black box recording point
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: to a devastating and highly predictable chemical intersection.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: The drugs. Yes.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: The combination of alcohol, cocaine, and a firearm. Detective R
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: is very explicit about the lethality of this combination.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: It's deadly.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: We really need to talk about the actual neurochemistry here
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: because it explains the extreme level of violence.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Please break that down because I think people just hear
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol and assume it just makes someone sloppy
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: or unpredictable.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's far more insidious than that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: How so?
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Well, when a person consumes alcohol, which is a central
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: nervous system depressant, it suppresses the prefrontal cortex.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Which does what?
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: That's the part of the brain responsible for impulse control,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: rational decision-making, and understanding future consequences.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: So the brakes are off.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Now you introduce cocaine, a powerful stimulant. Cocaine floods
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: the brain with dopamine and hyperstimulates the amygdala.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Which is the emotional center. Right.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: It's the brain's threat detection and fight-or-flight center. It induces
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: severe paranoia, rapid heart rate, and a false sense of
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: absolute invincibility.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: So you have no breaks and an overactive threat response. Yes.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: But when you mix the two together, it's not just
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: a balancing act between a stimulant and a depressant.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: What happens?
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: The liver actually synthesizes the alcohol and the cocaine into
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: a third, entirely unique chemical called cocaethylene.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Wait, really? The body actually creates a new drug?
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Cocaethylene is significantly more toxic than cocaine alone. and
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: it has a much longer half-life in the bloodstream.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: So it stays with you longer and hits harder. Yes.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: It drastically amplifies aggressive, violent tendencies while the alcohol simultaneously
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: removes the brain's breaking system.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: That's a terrifying combination.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: You are chemically destroying the brain's ability to reason while
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: actively fueling its capacity for rage.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: And then you add a gun to the mix.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: You take a man who clearly has underlying mental instability...
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: You pump his system full of coca ethylene, and you
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: put a loaded firearm within arm's reach.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: It's inevitable.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: The outcome is almost a mathematical certainty. It's a tragedy
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: waiting for a spark.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: That makes total sense chemically, but I am really hung
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: up on the physical placement of the note.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Why it was on the counter.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, why leave this note out in the open? When
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you study the psychology of domestic abuse, you learn that
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: victims usually go to great lengths to hide their dissent.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: They try to stay under the radar. Right.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: They hide their journals. They delete their text messages. They
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: try to keep the peace at all costs to avoid
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: triggering their abuser.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: To survive.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: So leaving a physical note detailing his illegal drug use
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and essentially scolding him about his behavior feels incredibly dangerous.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: It's a massive risk.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Was Crystal setting a boundary, making a desperate plea, or
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: perhaps leaving a breadcrumb trail for anyone on the outside
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: to finally see what was happening?
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: It's a profound question, and one that forensic psychologists wrestle
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: with In cases of intimate partner homicide.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Because she had to know he would see it.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: We may never know Crystal's exact internal reasoning. It is
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: very common for victims to switch from verbal pleading to
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: written notes when the verbal arguments become too circular and exhausting.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Like talking just doesn't work anymore. Right.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: But the effect of leaving it out in the open
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: is undeniable. It created a permanent physical documentation of the
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: truth of their home life.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: It forced the truth into the light.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: And what is so striking is how that stark, terrifying
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: truth contrasts with the narrative Jason was simultaneously projecting to
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: the rest of the world.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes, because while Crystal's private note revealed the dark
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: reality inside the home, Jason was simultaneously projecting a highly erratic,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: contradictory narrative to the public online.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: It's a classic dual life scenario.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Let's look at his digital diary, his public Facebook profile,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: because it is a textbook study in a fractured, Dr.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Jekyll and Mr. Hyde psychology.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Totally conflicting pictures.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Just over a year before the murder, he posts this glowing,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: almost theatrical birthday tribute to Crystal.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Pouring on the praise.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Right. He calls her his love, his best friend. He
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: specifically praises her as a true patriot who is raising
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: kids with godly values, a firm hand, and the most
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: love he's ever seen.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: It is the carefully constructed mask of the picture-perfect, devoted,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: deeply religious family man.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: But then we fast forward to the actual day of
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the murder, December 22nd.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Just hours before the violence.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Yes. The timeline of his posts is staggering. At 1.54 p.m.,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: he posts a video about spiritual warfare.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And he targets her.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: He actually tags his wife, Crystal, in this post. He
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: writes this incredibly ominous, threatening warning. Satan wants your wife.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I always tell men, if they don't lead their family,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Satan will.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Just pure paranoia.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And he punctuates this deeply paranoid thought with a single
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: heart emoji.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Which is a classic hallmark of psychological manipulation. Pairing a dire,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: controlling threat with a symbol of affection to confuse the
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: recipient and the audience.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: It's so unsettling. And then just over two hours later,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: at 4.22 p.m., he pivots entirely.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Another mood swing.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: The religious paranoia completely vanishes. He posts a lighthearted, goofy
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: meme of old people dancing with the casual caption, Mood,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: knowing the 49ers played tonight.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: That whiplash is intense.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Is it common for abusers to maintain this kind of
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: whiplash public persona, praising their partner one minute and declaring
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: spiritual warfare on them the next?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture of untreated
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: mental illness exacerbated by chronic substance abuse, it is often
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: a terrifying blend of both.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: So it's not just a fake mask. It's actual instability. Right.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: It is remarkably common in severe domestic abuse cases for
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the abuser to struggle to maintain a single cohesive reality.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Like Dr. Jekyll and Mr.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Hyde. Exactly. The Dr. Jekyll persona, the loving birthday tributes,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: the jovial dancing memes, is the idealized version of himself.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: It's how he desperately wants to be perceived by his
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: social circle. The good guy. But the Mr. Hyde persona,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the paranoia, the hyperfixation on control, the public accusations of
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: spiritual warfare. That is the toxic reality of his internal
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: state leaking out.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: And everyone on his friends list could see it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: The fact that he publicly tagged her in a post
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: stating that Satan wanted her shows a profound level of possessiveness.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Like she's property.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: He's framing his wife not as a human being, but
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: as a spiritual battleground, an object that he must lead
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: or else lose to supernatural evil. The cocaine use only
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: throws gasoline on those paranoid delusions.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: It's terrifying. And Detective Varr notes that this exact unpredictability,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: this Jekyll and Hyde dynamic, is what makes responding to
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: domestic violence calls the single most dangerous and, frankly, the
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: most cognitively exhausting part of a patrol officer's job.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: It's a nightmare for law enforcement.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: When officers arrive at a house for a domestic dispute,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: they don't have the luxury of sitting in their cruiser
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: and scrolling through a year of the suspect's Facebook posts
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: to map out their psychiatric history.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: They're flying blind.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: They have to knock on the door and instantly read
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the room, looking for histories of violence.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Precisely. The cognitive load on the responding officer is immense.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: They walk into a home where, 30 minutes ago, plates
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: were being smashed and threats were being screamed.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: But they don't see that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Right. Because when the door finally opens... The environment has
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: been artificially sterilized.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: They cleaned it up.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: The house is quiet. The broken plates are in the trash.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: And a man who is an expert at wearing that Dr.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Jekyll mask is standing there calmly saying, everything is fine, officer.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: We just had a loud disagreement.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: It immediately makes me think of the Gabby Petito and
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Brian Laundrie case.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, a perfect example.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Specifically, that body cam footage from the traffic stop in Moab, Utah.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Such a tragic parallel.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Those officers had to make an agonizing split-second judgment call
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: on the side of a dusty highway. They were looking
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: at two young people who were clearly in distress.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: And they had to figure out who the aggressor was.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Exactly. They had to determine, is this just a stressed-out
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: couple having a minor emotional breakdown on a road trip,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: or am I looking at a lethal threat in progress?
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And the evolution of how the justice system expects police
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: to handle these calls has changed drastically over the last
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: few decades.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: How so?
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: It has undergone a massive systemic overhaul. Detective Varr explains
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: that historically, the police acted more as referees in domestic disputes.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Referees, like just calling a timeout.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Exactly. If they responded to a call and neither party
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: explicitly stated they wanted to press charges, the officers would
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: often just separate them.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Right, like take a walk around the block.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: They'd tell one person to go take a walk or
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: go sleep on a friend's couch to cool off. But
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: the data eventually showed us that this approach was getting
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: people killed.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Because they'd just come back later. Yes.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: So the laws and protocols shifted to completely remove the
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: burden of prosecution from the victim.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, meaning the victim doesn't have to decide. Right.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Now, in many jurisdictions, if officers arrive and see any
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: physical evidence of abuse, a bruise, a smashed phone, a
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: broken doorframe, an arrest is automatic.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: The state presses the charges. Yes.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: The victim doesn't have to sign a complaint or testify
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: in that moment. We learned the hard way that victims
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: are often far too terrified or too financially dependent or
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: too manipulated to press charges while standing three feet away
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: from their abuser.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: That makes total sense. Varr also brought up a really
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: fascinating piece of historical context regarding how officers assess the
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: threat level of a home before they even knock on
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: the door. Yes.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: The registry.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: He talked about the old Chicago handgun registry. It used
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: to be that when a 911 call came in, dispatchers
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: could look at the address and tell the responding officers
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: over the radio, hey, be advised, there is a registered
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: handgun tied to that address.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: A vital piece of intelligence.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: It gave the police vital, life-saving forewarning about the exact
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: nature of the room they were walking into.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Which is huge for their situational awareness.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: But now, he notes, those specific localized registry requirements are
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: often gone in many places. meaning officers are walking completely
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: blind into environments where a firearm might be resting under
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: a couch cushion.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: And this brings us to a massive, incredibly complex systemic
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: friction point.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean?
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Well, when you have this intersection of severe documented mental illness,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: illegal substance abuse like cocaine, highly erratic and paranoid public
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: behavior on social media, and access to firearms.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: It's a powder keg.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: It is. And the question becomes, where does society actually
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: have the legal authority to intervene before the trigger is pulled?
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Right. And I want to pause here because this is
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: where these cases always hit a societal nerve.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: It's a very tense topic.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: When you have this intersection of mental illness, drugs, and firearms,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: you immediately hit a massive political and legal debate.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Law enforcement, lawmakers, and civil rights advocates are constantly arguing
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: about how to balance a person's First Amendment right to
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: post erratic, paranoid thoughts online and their Second Amendment rights
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: to possess a firearm with the community's urgent need for safety.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: It's an incredibly difficult balance.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: And to be clear, we are absolutely not here today
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: to take a political stance on gun laws or free speech.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Right. We're just looking at the realities of the case.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Exactly. We are simply relaying the systemic debate experts are
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: having about how to keep communities safe when mental health,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: substance abuse, and firearms intersect. But when you look at
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: a tragedy like the one in Lakeland, you can see
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: exactly why the system struggles so deeply.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Because the harsh reality of constitutional law is that you
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: cannot arrest someone simply for being a Jekyll and Hyde
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: on Facebook.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: You can't lock someone up for a weird meme.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Nope. You cannot incarcerate someone for writing a paranoid post
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: about spiritual warfare. But when you look at the aftermath...
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: The bodies. Yes. When you see a 13-year-old girl with
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: a gunshot wound to the face, you see the devastating,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: irreversible cost of what happens when all those red flags
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: are flying in unison, but the legal threshold for intervention
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: isn't met until it's entirely too late.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: It's just devastating. So we arrive at the aftermath.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: The fallout.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: The perpetrator is dead. Jason Kenney executed his own judgment
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  Speaker 1: in a shed in Lake Wales. The criminal justice system
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  Speaker 1: will never prosecute him.
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  Speaker 2: He escaped the courts.
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  Speaker 1: Right. There will be no trial, no cross-examination, no sentencing hearing.
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  Speaker 1: So why do the police stay.
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  Speaker 2: At the house? People always wonder about that.
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  Speaker 1: Even with the shooter dead in a clear-cut murder-suicide, law
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: enforcement conducts a massive, full-scale forensic investigation, exactly as if
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: they were prosecuting an offender.
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  Speaker 2: Every single step is taken.
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  Speaker 1: They process physical evidence. They test for gunshot residue. They
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: run ballistics and conduct interviews with surviving witnesses. Why spend
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: resources on a permanently closed case?
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  Speaker 2: This raises an important question about the purpose of law
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: enforcement beyond just putting people in handcuffs. Right.
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  Speaker 1: What's the point if there's no trial?
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Because while the criminal justice system has no more jurisdiction
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: over Jason Kenney, society desperately needs the why.
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  Speaker 1: We need to understand it.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. If the police just packed up their crime scene
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  Speaker 2: tape and said, well, the bad guy is dead, case closed,
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  Speaker 2: we learn absolutely nothing from the loss of life.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: We just move on to the next one. Right.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: But by rigorously investigating the mechanics of the tragedy, finding
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: the root causes like the cocaine, the mental illness, the escalation,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: we build a vital data set.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: It's an autopsy of the entire event, not just the bodies.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: That data is what informs future prevention strategies. It helps
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  Speaker 2: train 911 dispatchers on What specific linguistic keywords to listen
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: for when a neighbor calls in a disturbance.
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  Speaker 1: It could potentially save lives.
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  Speaker 2: It helps lawmakers understand the actual physical realities of domestic
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: violence escalation. The forensic science matters, too.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Like the gunshot residue you mentioned?
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, GSR. They test for the microscopic particles of barium, antimony,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: and lead vapor that condense on the skin when a
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: gun is fired.
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  Speaker 1: To see exactly who was standing where.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: To establish the exact proximity and positioning of the shooter
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  Speaker 2: and the victims. It confirms the narrative. We owe it
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: to the victims to document exactly how the system failed them,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: so perhaps it could be adjusted to save the next family.
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  Speaker 1: But the human cost of gathering that data is heartbreaking
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  Speaker 1: to think about.
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  Speaker 2: The interviews? Yeah.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: How do investigators conduct interviews with the surviving 12- and
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: 13-year-olds without causing further trauma while still needing to close
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  Speaker 1: the factual loop of the case?
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  Speaker 2: It requires highly specialized, incredibly delicate forensic interviewing techniques grounded
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: in the neurobiology of trauma.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Because they've just been through hell.
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  Speaker 2: You don't put a child in a sterile fluorescent interrogation
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  Speaker 2: room and treat them like a suspect.
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  Speaker 1: That would be horrible.
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  Speaker 2: You use forensic interviewers who are deeply trained in child
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: psychology and memory encoding. When a brain experiences severe trauma,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: the amygdala, the survival center, overrides the hippocampus.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: And the hippocampus does what?
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: It's responsible for chronological memory. So the child's memory of
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: the event isn't a neat, linear movie. It's a fragmented
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: collection of intense sensory details.
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  Speaker 1: A smell, a sound, a flash of light.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So if a standard detective just asks what happened next
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: and then what happened, that actually harms the process.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: It actively harms the process and re-traumatizes the child because...
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: They literally can't access a chronological timeline.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: So how do they do it?
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Trauma-informed interviewers use sensory-based questioning. They let the child lead
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: the pace. They create an environment of total psychological safety
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: and allow the child to reconstruct the fragments of the
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: memory organically.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: That must take a lot of patience.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: It is painstaking, exhausting work, constantly balancing the investigative necessity
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: of gathering facts with the absolute fragility of a surviving
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: child's psyche.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: It is just a staggering burden for everyone involved.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: From the first responders to the medical staff.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: And especially the surviving family. Well, as we draw all
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: these threads together, from the football game to the handwritten note,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I want to speak directly to you, the listener.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: It's an important takeaway.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: We started this deep dive looking at a flashy headline
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: about a murder sparked by a Monday night football game.
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  Speaker 2: But that wasn't the truth.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: What we've uncovered reveals that a tragedy of this magnitude
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: is rarely, if ever, born in a single spontaneous moment.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: It's a slow build.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: It's a complex, lethal combination of hidden substance abuse, mental
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: health unraveling in plain sight online, and the tragic presence
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: of a firearm.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And we must acknowledge the immense bravery of those surviving children.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: We really do. The 12-year-old boy who ran into the
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: night and got help, potentially saving the lives of his
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: sister and the infants.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: And the 13-year-old girl who survived and spoke the truth.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: It demands a level of vigilance from all of us
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: in our own communities. Which leaves me with a final
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: thought I want you to mull over as we wrap
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: up today's deep dive.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Something to really think about.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Consider the incredibly tragic irony of the digital age we
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: live in. Jason Kenney broadcasted his mental unraveling and violent,
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  Speaker 1: paranoid ideations regarding his wife to the entire world on
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: a public Facebook page.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: He put his madness on a digital billboard.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Yep, the only true, honest assessment of the actual physical
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: danger they were in was written by Crystal on a
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: physical piece of paper, left completely alone on a kitchen counter.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: That's a huge contrast.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: It challenges us to ask, in a world where we
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: are constantly monitoring social media feeds for updates on our
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: friends' lives, liking their photos and watching their videos, are
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: we completely missing the quiet, analog cries for help happening
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: right inside their homes?
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: A vital reminder to look closer.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on this deep dive. Stay
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: safe and take care of each other.