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Patrice Endres Pt. Two · The Path Went Chilly

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Welcome back to the Path Went Chile for part two of our series about the
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murder of Patrese Andres. And again I apologize for my raspy voice. I
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am sick. We just recorded this right after our first episode, so please
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bear with me. Robin, do you want to catch everyone up on what
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we talked about in our previous episode. Well, this is a case that
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was featured on the Unsolved Mysteries reboot, which came out three and a half
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years ago, about the murder of a thirty eight year old woman named Patrice
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Andres. She ran her own hair salon in Foresight, County, Georgia.
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She was married to her fifty eight year old husband, Rob Dress, and
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they were living with her teenage son Pistol. That's his nickname from a previous
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marriage. And in April of two thousand and four, Patrese was working her
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shift at the salon. They called the Unsolved Mysteries episode thirteen minutes because she
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seemed to go missing during a thirteen minute window because she received a call at
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eleven thirty seven am from a customer, but when a customer showed up at
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her salon at eleven fifty Patrise was missing. Her car was still parked there,
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her purse had been rummaged through, and there would be two witnesses who
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drove by the salon during that thirteen minute window who provided different descriptions of Patrise
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with an unidentified individual outside in the parking lot. One witness thought was a
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long haired man, well, the other thought that the other the individual was
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a woman. But it appeared that Patrise might be struggling with this person and
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that they may have abducted and murdered her. And sure enough, it would
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be in November of two thousand and five, eighteen months after she originally went
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missing, when her remains were discovered in he wooded area behind a church about
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six miles away from her hair salon. They looked at a number of suspects.
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There was a serial killer named Jeremy Jones who confessed to her crime,
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but a lot of the details he provided did not match the condition her remains
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were found, and he was known for making false confessions. They have also
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looked into another serial killer named Gary Michael Hilton, and they have also looked
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at her husband, Rob as according to their son Pistol, Patrese and Rob
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had been fighting a lot as she was threatening him with divorce, and the
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day after Patrese went missing, Rob went to the trouble of locking Pistol out
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of their residence and would not let him go in to reclaim his possessions.
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And of course, after it was featured on Unsolved Mysteries, Rob came across
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very weirdly in his interview and a lot of people thought he was responsible for
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killing Patrese, but he did seem to have a solid alibi placing him several
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miles away and at his workplace during the approximate time period she went missing,
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and Rob passed away just a month before we recorded this episode in late October
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of twenty twenty three. So if he was the killer, then he never
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will receive justice for it. But they've also looked into the possibility that it
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was a murder for hire, so possibly Rob hired someone who did it and
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that person has yet to face justice. But it's also possible that Rob is
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innocent and the real killer is still out there. So, as you well
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know, the title of the Unsolved Mysteries episode about this case was thirteen minutes
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because that is believed to be the approximate window of time in which Patrese's abduction
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could have taken place. The last person who confirmed speaking to Patrise said that
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she phoned the salon to reschedule an appointment before the call ended at eleven thirty
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seven am, and it's interesting how the caller said that Patrise was unusually short
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with her during the conversation. Patrice was described as ordinarily being a very chatty
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person, and another customer who frequented the lawn at around nine am also said
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that Patrise seemed distracted and not very attentive to her. So I wonder if
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this is an indication that Patrice had something on her mind that morning, which
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might support the idea that she was experiencing issues in her marriage with Rob.
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I also think it's possible that the person responsible for Patrice's disappearance was already inside
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the salon during that final phone call, which is why Patrice gave off the
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impression that she wanted to get the call over with as quickly as possible.
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Since the next call to the salon in eleven fifty went unanswered, this strongly
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implies that Patrice had already been abducted by that point, especially when you factor
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in the eyewitness accounts of Patrice's standing outside in the parking lot at around eleven
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forty five. Now, we mentioned in our last episode that the early media
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coverage of this case put a heavy emphasis on an eyewitness sighting of an unidentified
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man and a white cargo band parked outside the slawn. This detail took me
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by surprise during my original research, since it was never mentioned on Unsolved Mysteries.
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But it was very disheartening to find out this witness completely fabricated her story,
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and I have no idea why she would do this, unless she was
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hoping to collect some reward money. I'm not exactly sure how police learned her
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story was false, but it likely had something to do with the fact that
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two completely independent eyewitnesses reported seeing a blue car parked outside the salon, which
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contradicted her story. And that's quite unfortunate because I couldn't find any mention of
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the blue car in the older newspaper articles, likely because investigators wasted so much
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time chasing down the false lead with the van. If the public had been
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made aware of the blue car much earlier, who knows if things might have
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turned out differently. That's what's so scary about these cases is that whatever the
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media decides to focus on. You almost see the detectives the community. Everyone
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gets this tunnel vision looking for leads and ideas that sometimes aren't even in existence.
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So it definitely distracted from the eyewitness accounts. We do know that those
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eyewitnesses also kind of struggled to identify exactly what kind of car, to identify
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who was with that car. Wasn't an old woman, Was it a man
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with shoulder linked hair? Who was it that was talking to Patrese? Was
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their physical violence between the two, what was going on? We haven't really
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nailed down a consistent story from any eyewitnesses, so it makes all of that
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information very troubling. That phone call that Patrese gets at the salon from someone
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wanting to change their appointment. When they say you can, you can hear
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in her voice that she's not herself. She's almost frustrated and very short tempered.
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I feel in my gut that someone had walked into the salon to make
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her very uncomfortable, or that she had already asked to leave, and she's
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trying to navigate somebody in person that's frustrating her and this client on the phone.
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I almost feel like somebody's in the store and they're threatening her, and
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they tell her to answer the phone because they don't want to arouse suspicion or
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have anybody go, oh, well, why isn't she answering the phone.
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Let's go check on her. They want to be uninterrupted during the commission of
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this crime. And so they go answer the phone and behave like nothing's wrong.
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Because if somebody was just looking around, you might mention something like,
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hey, there's a weird guy in here or whatever. But it seemed like
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she didn't share any details. She just came off as really short. Yeah,
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it could be that she was under dress or something that she's thinking that,
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well, if I tell the caller about this guy, he may do
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something to me. So that's why I think that she was worried that her
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life was an ager and that perhaps, for all we know, this person
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told her get this customer off the phone as quickly as possible. Now,
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we frequently talked about the fallibility of eyewitness testimony on numerous episodes of this podcast,
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and this case is a perfect reminder of it. Technically, the two
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separate witnesses who drove by the salon and saw patries outside next to a blue
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car. Were likely correct about the basics, but they contradicted each other on
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certain details. One witness said the car was a Chevy Lumina, well the
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other thought it might be a Floord, Taurus or Malibu. I can understand
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the contradiction because it's not like those vehicles looked drastically different from one another.
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But what's really strange is that one of the witnesses thought she saw Patrese next
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to an older woman, and the other mentioned a long haired man. I
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guess it's possible that because of the long hair, the first witness could have
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mistaken a man for a woman, though if Patrese's killer was female, then
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that throws the case in an entirely different direction, especially since the witness thought
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she saw two women placing their hands on each other. Given the narrow time
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frame, it seems unlikely that these two witnesses could have passed by the salon
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on different occasions and seen Patrice next to two different people with two different cars.
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I guess it's possible that the individual of the blue car had nothing to
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do with Patrees's murder and just stopped by to ask for directions or something,
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and subsequently left before the real perpetrator arrived. However, both witnesses placed their
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sightings at around eleven forty five, and given that the unanswered phone call came
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in at eleven fifty and a customer who arrived at non nun noticed that Patrese
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was missing, the timeframe just seems way too narrow. So Patrice was probably
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abducted only minutes, if not seconds after the witnesses drove away. But regardless
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of whether the unidentified individual was a man or a woman, they definitely did
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not match the description of Rob Andres, who was bald, unless he'd happened
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to be wearing a wig to disguise himself. And while I have no idea
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what type of vehicle Rob drove at the time, if he was linked to
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a blue Luminat Taurus or Malibu, I'm pretty sure the authorities would have said
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so. They said they could not rule him out as a suspect, but
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they also didn't have anything to actually rule him in as a suspect, right
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to make him zeroed in on as a main suspect. And so if the
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car actually matched the identity of Rob, or if the even physical descriptions had
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matched Rob, I don't think they would have been making those claims. There
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are definitely some unanswered questions about the circumstances of how Patrice was subducted. There
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was cash missing from the register inside the salon, and it appears that someone
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took her wallet out of her purse and went through it, though it seems
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like they missed the two hundred and seventy dollars she had inside a secret compartment.
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But there's been a lot of skepticism over the idea thought robbery was the
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primary motive for this crime, as a responsible party may have stolen the money
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just to make it look like a robbery gone wrong. The investigators have even
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said that salons are ordinarily not ideal targets for robberies since they aren't known for
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keeping a lot of cash on the premises. And of course, a lot
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has been made about the fact that Patrice's suv was found park near the front
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door instead of its usual spot next to the side of the building, and
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the two witnesses both claimed that the suv was already positioned there next to a
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blue car when they drove past. So this is why it's been theorized that
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someone could have lured Patrice outside by telling her that their car needed a jump,
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but shortly after she moved the suv from its usual spot, this person
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took advance of the situation and abducted her. Hell this was the exact scenario
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Jeremy Jones described during his confession, which is one of the reasons the authorities
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initially thought it sounded believable. I do think this is a plausible theory,
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but the one thing I'm not sure about is why someone would have gone through
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the cash register and Patrice's purse if she is abducted outside the building. There
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has been speculation that more than one person was involved in this crime, which
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might provide an explanation for why we have conflicting eyewitness accounts about seeing a woman
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and a long haired man with Patrice. What if they were actually two separate
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people who conspired to abduct Patrise together. I was wondering the same thing,
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you know, when there's a description that there was a older woman, and
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then you have a description that there's a long haired man. Unless the oun
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witness is really just didn't get a good look. I was thinking, is
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it possible it's one of those couple kind of abductions where a wife is the
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one who maybe gets out of the car, or an older lady gets out
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of the car to say, hey, I need your help, Patria.
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She's innocent, she doesn't seem threatening, and by the time the woman lures
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her outside, then you have a man waiting to actually abduct her or hurt
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her. I think it doesn't require much to think that once they had her
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subdued, that they would run in and try to look for any quick money.
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Just running to the cash register and grabbing the wallet out of her purse
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or the cash out of her purse that was visible, doesn't seem too wild.
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I mean, while we're here, we may as well see if we
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can get a little bit of money to make our way a little further down
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the road. But it's crazy when you think about them. Jeremy Jones,
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he does describe that exact scenario that he needed to stop and hit up this
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salon and was able to lure Patrice out. Oh, it's devastating to think
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there was such a short window of time between her last client and the next
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person to come in that didn't find her. To think she just literally vanished
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and we have no answers. Yeah, it could be a scenario where maybe
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the first and second witness are correct, that the one who saw or with
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the woman. Maybe this person pulled over to ask Patrice for a jump,
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and she had a male companion who was still inside the blue car at that
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point, and then by the time the second witness passed by, the man
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had come out of the car and was struggling with Patrese while the woman ran
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inside to go to the cash register or check her purse or something. So
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that's why I don't think it's completely implausible that it could have been a man
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and a woman working together. And we're never truly going to know because of
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the state of her body when it was found, being that it was skeletal
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remains, if this was a sexually motivated crime, right, like we said,
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it could have been just staged to look like a robbery gone wrong.
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But then they abducked her, so it's like, what are you planning to
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do with her? And was that the primary objective? Was it sexually based?
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But we're just we don't have those answers now. Before we discussed the
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likelihood of rob or anyone else committing this crime, we have to talk about
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the two convicted murderers who looked at as potential suspects, and appropriately enough,
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both of these men have been considered potential suspects in other cases which were featured
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on Unsolved Mysteries throughout two thousand and five. Jeremy Jones dominated all the news
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coverage of this case since he made a confession to Patrese's murder. At the
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time, she was still a missing person, so it seemed like a very
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promising lead. But since Jones said he dumb Patrise's body in a creek,
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which turned out to be over sixty miles away from the wooded area where her
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remains were ultimately found, his confession lost a lot of credibility. Many people
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no longer believed Jones had any involvement in Patrise's death, and even though Jones
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himself has recounted the confession, at least one investigator who was interviewed during the
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Unsolved Mystery segment was not ready to completely rule him out, since Joanes supposedly
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provided very accurate details about the crime scene. While his claims about luring Patrese
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outside by asking her to jumpstart his vehicle do seem plausible on the surface,
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it also doesn't sound like he provided eddy specific details which were not already public
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knowledge at this point. Most of the newspaper articles from that time period mentioned
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Patrice's suv being parked near the front door, so Jones easily could have taken
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that detail and used it to formulate a false confession. Jones is currently still
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on death row for the murder of Lisa Nichols, and while he's undoubtedly responsible
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for the murders of Amanda Greenwell and a New Orleans woman named Catherine Collins.
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He once claimed to have killed at at least twenty one people over one twelve
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year period, but at least one of his confessions has been proven to be
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an outright lie, as he also claimed to have been responsible for the nineteen
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ninety nine disappearances of Laura Bible and Ashley Freeman, a pair of sixteen year
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old girls from Welch, Oklahoma, who vanished after Ashley's mobile home was burned
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down and both her parents were shot to death. Jones claimed that he murdered
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the adults over a drug before he shot the two girls and disposed of their
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bodies in a mind shaft, but after a search failed to turn up their
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remains or any evidence to support his story. Well you might already know that
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a suspect named Ronnie Busick was arrested for the crime in twenty eighteen and pled
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guilty to accessory to second degree murder, even though the girl's remains have still
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not been found. It turns out the music and to deceased accomplices Warren Philip
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Welch and David Pennington were the perpetrators and Jones had nothing to do with it.
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Once they have nothing left to lose. It's fairly common for convicted murderers
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to confess to crimes that they did not commit for attention, So this maybe
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would happen here. And Jones did not kill Patrice Andres. I'm leaning towards
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he did not. Once you start lying about taking claim for other people's killings,
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it just shows that you need that attention, that you are seeking some
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kind of preferential treatment, that you want time out of your cell, that
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you want to go with police on a wild goose chase. And he seems
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to have caught the attention to people, and multiple investigations where he's clearly gotten
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that attention that he was looking for. It's crazy because if you were genuinely
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trying to help, you would never want to provide false information and lead investigators
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down the wrong road. You would want to sit back and say, listen,
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I'm one death row. I have some other families that I know are
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looking for their loved ones. Here's where they are, and you would help
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their body be located. In all of these that he claims that he participated
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in, he was never able to help provide information for a body location,
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which really does show that he's out for himself and he's out for a number
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that's going to impress somebody. I don't know who, but that seems to
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be his motivation. And he always confesses to victims who are missing at that
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time, so he can say that he did whatever with the remains and they
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can't really disprove it. But as we've seen with the cases of Laura Bible
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and Ashley Freeman, and also with Patrese, he wound up giving these stories
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about disposing of the remains means that were proven to be false. So that
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has to cause all of his confessions to be put into question. So now
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let's talk about Gary Michael Hilton. Even though he was originally arrested for the
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murder of Meredith Emerson and agreed to plead guilty in order to avoid the death
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penalty. Hilton has since been charged and convicted of three additional murders, which
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took place in late two thousand and seven an elderly couple named John and Irene
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Bryant and a nurse named Cheryl Dunlap. The Dunlap murder earned Hilton a trip
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to death Row, which is where he still resides today, and he's been
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looked at as a potential suspect in some other cold cases, including the bizarre
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death of Judy Smith, which has been featured on Unsolved Mysteries The Trail and
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Cold and The Path Went Chile. As you might recall, Judy Smith vanished
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during a business trip to Philadelphia in April of nineteen ninety seven, before her
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skeletal remains were discovered on a mountain in Piscaon National Forest in North Carolina five
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months later. Obviously, there are still a lot of unanswered questions about how
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Judy made that six hundred mile trip down there in the first place. But
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since the murders of John and Irene Bryant also took place in Pisgaw National Forest,
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there has been speculation that Hilton may have been responsible for Judy's death,
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though no evidence was found to support this. There are some tentative connections which
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link Hilton to Patrice Andrs's case, such as the fact that the remains were
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found in Dawson County, which is where he murdered Meredith Emerson and disposed of
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her remains. Even though Hilton once made a remark about visiting hair salons to
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con people out of money, the problem I have with the idea of him
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abducting Patrise from there is that it's totally different from his mo Hilton's known crimes
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involve him targeting hikers, which is why he's sometimes been referred to as the
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quote unquote National Forest serial killer. Furthermore, one thing the murders of Meredith
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Emerson, Cheryl Dunlap, and the Bryants all had in common is that Hilton
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installed their ATM cards and attempted to use them to withdraw money. Pateresa's wallet
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and purse were left behind at the salon, and while it's never been specifically
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confirmed if she had an ATM card in there, there's no indication that anyone
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stole her card or attempted to use it once again. In spite of the
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missing money from the cash register. It's been suspected that Patrese's murder was not
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financially motivated, and that someone staged to Robberate to cover up a more personal
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motive for the crime. I wonder if there's anyone who was angry with her
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about being a competitor in business. Was there anyone who had been trying to
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let's say, maybe they had misconstrued her friendly, outgoing personality for flirtatious behavior,
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and they had tried to form a relationship with her that she denied them
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of because she was a married woman. Was there anyone who wanted to be
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with Rob, or who was with Rob who then wanted Patrese out of this
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scenario? Do we know any of those kind of bizarre dynamics that could have
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been happening. Not really, No, Like, I've never seen any mention
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of any other potential side who had a personal grudge against her, like anyone
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who may have wanted to start a relationship with her or acted inappropriate ly in
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or salon. I haven't heard anything about Rob having another woman on the side
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who wanted to get Patrise out of the way in order to be with him.
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So I'm sure that if investigators had found anybody like that in Patrese's personal
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life, they would have said so publicly. But otherwise it just seems to
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be nothing. But because she worked on a salon next to a highway,
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it's possible her killer was just a complete stranger who just happened to stop by
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there. And with Hilton. Hilton's the one that Rob actually went to this
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trial, right, that was Jones. The picture, Oh that was in
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Jones. Okay, that was the one that Jones was convicted of. Okay.
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It's it's intense when you look at these details of a serial killer who
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does have this kind of even though his imo of killing people is more with
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the hikers. When he does mention the hair salons, it makes the hair
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on your next stand up. But that is just one detail of the crimes
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he committed. And like you said, he had such specific things he would
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do with the credit cards, and her credit cards were intact, the cash
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was missing, so it doesn't really fit the full picture. Similarities but not
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an exact immou which does call into question is Hilton connected to this? Whatsoever?
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To this leads us back to Rob Andres, And now we're going to
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talk about the things which do make him look suspicious. During his Unsolved Mysteries
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interview, Rob claimed there was no real motive for him to harm Patrese,
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and since she did not have a life insurance policy, he did not profit
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financially from her death. But of course, if the rumors are true that
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the marriage was falling apart and Patrise was planning to divorce Rob, then there's
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your motive, given his supposedly controlling personality. There's a symbolic creepiness to the
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fact that Rob was holding onto Patrise's ashes and did not let anyone see them,
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as if it was his way of saying, if I can't have you,
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no one else will. Unsolved Mystery did not mention that Patrise left a
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note on Rob's car before she went to work that morning, and we've only
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seen that piece of information mentioned in one article from the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
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As you might recall, the note read the best is yet to come,
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and I'd be really curious to know what Patrise meant by that. The note
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could very well have no relevance to this case at all. But if this
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was a message in which Patrice was conveying her intention to leave Rob, then
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this could have been the breaking point which set Rob off and prompted him to
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abduct her from the salon. While the Unsolved Mysteries episode shared the detail about
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Patrice's wedding ring never being found, it did not mention that the words Patrice
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and Rob Forever were inscribed on there. If you believe Rob is guilty in
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him holding on to the ring after all these years, would totally fit his
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personality. However, like we mentioned earlier, Rob did recently pass away and
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we haven't heard anything yet about the ring being found in his possessions. Well,
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here's my problem with the ring, right, It's very possible that when
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she was getting robbed and they're taking money from her cash retor or any things
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like that, they say, take your ring off, I want your ring.
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It's also possible she was found as a set of skeletal remains. The
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bones were scattered everywhere. It's possible that that ring was part of her but
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during the decomposition process, that it fell into the dirt, sand, mud,
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whatever, and that it simply just wasn't found around her skeletal remains after
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they were scattered and you know, thrown about. So I don't know that
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you can read so much into the wedding band. Would it have been powerful
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if it had been found in his possessions? Yeah, oh my gosh.
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He would have been most likely guilty because she was wearing it and then it's
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in his box with her ashes, right. But other than that, I
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don't know that you can say ring was definitely part of the crime or stolen
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off her body or something, because her body wasn't intact when I was discovered.
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Yeah, that is true. I've never thought about it the possibility,
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but I know that animals can scatter human remains around. I don't know if
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one of them would take a wedding band and walk off with it, but
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I guess it is certainly a possibility, and for all we know, it
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could still be out there somewhere in the woods. But I can't imagine someone
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trying to steal it if robbery was the motive, because if you try to
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punt off a wedding ring and it has someone's name inscribed on it, then
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it's easily going to be traced to you, and a lot of people are
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going to be reluctant to pay for a ring that has someone else's names on
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them. I mean We've seen cases where it looks like the most likely outcomes
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either murder, suicide, or somebody's ended their own life and the gun isn't
25:37
found at the scene when the remains are found, and it's like, okay,
25:41
well, animals will scatter remains and that's the whole gun. That's a
25:45
big thing. A wedding band will be really difficult to find unless you had
25:49
them like scouring the area with a metal detector on their hands and knees looking
25:55
for this ring. We just don't really know how in depth the more this
26:00
ring was. Maybe it was there and they just didn't find it, yeah
26:03
for sure, Like what if an animal had grabbed her hand, you know,
26:07
and taken it or her arm or something, and that gets moved and
26:11
in the process the ring slips off somewhere, or like you said, Jules,
26:14
they just simply weren't really looking for it. I mean, it's possible
26:18
they're interviewing the sun three days later and he's like, did you find her
26:21
wedding ban? She has a wedding band, you know. Or it's possible
26:23
that they discovered the body and then it's not until an interview two weeks later
26:27
that someone's like what about her wedding band? It says, you know,
26:30
Patrese and Rob forever did you find that? And they're going, oh,
26:36
yeah, we didn't really specifically look for that. The biggest red flag with
26:41
Rob was his decision to change all the locks on his house and his refusal
26:45
to allow Pistol inside the very day after Patrese went missing. Rob's rationalization during
26:51
his Unsolved Mysteries interview about be concerned for both his and pistol safety does not
26:56
hold water. Even if he had personal issues with pis still and did not
27:00
want to live with them, at the very least, Rob could have still
27:03
allowed him to come inside and collect his personal possessions. I mean, Pistol
27:07
was still a miner at the time, but Rob wouldn't even speak to him
27:11
or ensure he had another place to stay. It's terrible behavior from a moral
27:15
standpoint, and it also makes no sense from a logical standpoint. Patrese had
27:21
only been missing for around twenty four hours before Rob changed the locks, and
27:25
no one could even be one hundred percent certain she was dead. Why if
27:27
Patris turned out to be alive and returned home to find out that Rob had
27:32
kicked out her son and returned home to find out that Rob had kicked her
27:36
son out of the house. If there weren't already serious issues with their marriage
27:40
before, that probably would have put the final nail in the coffin, because
27:44
if there's one thing which Patrice seemed to have zero tolerance for, it was
27:47
mistreating her son. So you could see Rob's actions as an indication that he
27:52
knew Patrice was dead and would not be coming back. How much darker interpretation
27:56
is that Rob did not want anyone else to enter the house because he had
28:00
incriminating evidence in there, possibly even Patrese's body. Remember, even though Patrese's
28:06
remains were found in a wooded area, that doesn't necessarily mean they were placed
28:10
there on the day she disappeared. That is so true. It doesn't mean
28:15
that that she was placed there immediately. We have cases. I actually just
28:18
watched a documentary about missing and murdered Indigenous women where for eighteen days a young
28:22
lady's body wasn't discovered through areas where people were searching in gridlock patterns for her,
28:29
and then on day eighteen, she's out in the open in you know,
28:32
a desert like area where you would have seen her body had you walked
28:36
by Patrese, wasn't you said? She was in a wooded area about six
28:40
miles away. But still there's no guarantee that she went from that salon to
28:45
that final resting place. Her body could have easily been put there at any
28:48
time later within those eighteen months. I mean, in most cases, I
28:52
wouldn't think that a spouse would keep like the victim's body just hanging around their
28:56
house. But we talked about on the last episode that Rob shared a store
29:00
about having to assemble Patrese's remains and kiss her skull and cuddling up with her
29:03
ashes. So he does seem like a creepy enough guy that after murdering his
29:07
wife he would keep her body around the house for a couple of weeks before
29:11
deciding to dispose of it in a wooded area. And I just don't think
29:15
he realized how tone death that sounds. Given that he's pulling her out of
29:19
a cardboard box. I do not believe for a second you're cuddling her ashes
29:23
like a teddy bear, like he'd said, if you're keeping her in a
29:26
cardboard box, the two things are not in alignment. But if we look
29:33
back and you look at any of his actions, are any of his actions
29:36
something that you think anyone with like emotional sound faculties to themselves would do,
29:41
Because let's say you're guilty as heck, let's say you're glad Patrese is gone,
29:45
you still have to pretend like you're not. And there aren't many actions
29:49
by Rob that actually protect his facade when you look at the callous notions towards
29:55
the towards the sun, when you look at changing the locks, when you
29:57
look at this idea of you know, she's in the cardboard box and he
30:00
had to go assemble her body and hold the skull and kiss it, and
30:04
something seems off incredibly bizarre. Yeah, I feel like he's definitely dealing with
30:12
a mental health condition or a personality disorder, because it's it's just not connecting,
30:19
it's not computing. He doesn't seem to be able to anticipate how others
30:23
will react to his actions, and we see that as a pervasive pattern throughout
30:29
and that doesn't seem indicative of somebody who seems to be incredibly self aware of
30:33
how his actions affect other people. And so the question is is this guy
30:37
just an asshole? Or is he an asshole who murdered his wife or is
30:44
he just a really sick person somebody who's struggling with some undiagnosed thing. Because
30:48
then, remember, guys, he also goes and he does, he searches,
30:52
he offers a reward, He goes and stands at a trial saying justice
30:56
for his wife. Like there's also these other things where he's doing what you
31:00
would expect, but he's also doing nothing to protect his own character. He's
31:06
doing some things for Patrise, but never once do you see him really even
31:11
trying to fake out police or the community. That he's this upstanding man and
31:15
you would think he'd do something like you think there'd be some notions of,
31:18
well we saw this, but not this, and you know, he did
31:22
these things that were loving and not these things. It's just a very confusing
31:26
look at human behavior when you study Rob specifically and Robin. Wasn't it true
31:33
that the Unsolved Mysteries producer I think her name is Mirror, that she believed
31:37
wholeheartedly that he was innocent and she was really upset about the way social media
31:42
reacted to Rob after the episode aired. She didn't say that she thought he
31:48
was innocent, but she thought he came across well when they showed up to
31:51
interview him, like they said that even though he acted oddly, she thought
31:55
he was sincere when he was speaking, and she thought that he genuinely loved
31:57
Patrise, and he sounded like he was remarried and had moved on with his
32:00
life. And I think she was just shocked that people watched his interview and
32:05
just thought he was a real creep, because, I mean, you go
32:07
to online discussions, I'd say that like ninety five percent of the people out
32:10
there automatically assume that he's guilty based on the interview. They don't really look
32:15
at the evidence. And it's quite a contrast because I know that her husband,
32:21
the co creative of Unsaw Mysteries, John Cosgrove. He says that this
32:24
is a sharp contrast to Jewel Kaylor's infamous interview where he's saying that, oh,
32:30
it's just thought he disappeared and things are really pretty good, and Jewel
32:32
has an attorney in his room yelling cut cut, don't say that, why
32:36
are you saying that? And it doesn't sound like it's anything like that with
32:39
Rob. I don't think he had an attorney in his room. He just
32:42
gave this sincere interview where he sounded like he was really sincere about missing his
32:45
wife and just did not give off the vibe that he killed her. And
32:50
we have to remember that Rob had an alibi, So I'm sure that they
32:53
looked at his financials. If we're to believe that this was a murder for
32:57
hire, wouldn't there be some kind of finalinantial trail left behind? Yeah,
33:02
exactly like the I know we're going to talk about this in a moment,
33:05
but there's an investigator on Unsolved Mysteries who kind of gave a quote about that
33:08
and implied that they just found no evidence to indicate that he had paid someone
33:13
to kill his wife. However, let's look at the logistics of Rob being
33:17
able to commit this crime. Here's an actual quote from one of the investigators
33:22
interviewed on Unsolved Mysteries when discussing Rob's viability as a suspect. Quote, Rob
33:28
Andres was thoroughly investigated, and we created a timeline for him that doesn't eliminate
33:32
him from being able to do this, but greatly reduces the chances that he
33:37
could have done this. He doesn't eliminate a murder for hire, but it
33:40
just doesn't seem probable. We've uncovered nothing that suggests that at this point end
33:45
quote. The only specific information we know about Rob's alibi was provided by Rob
33:52
himself during his own interview, where he mentions having a time stamped receipt which
33:57
shows him getting gas in the town of Woodstock, and that a turnstile recorded
34:00
the exact time he arrived at work. Rob states that this would have made
34:06
it physically impossible for him to commit this crime, but since he hasn't been
34:09
completely eliminated as a suspect, I'm guessing it's more improbable that he did it
34:15
rather than outright impossible. Newspaper articles have stated that Rob worked a second shift
34:22
as a maintenance supervisor in Conyers, though they did not name the actual workplace.
34:27
It's also never been mentioned what exact time Rob logged in. But Conyers
34:31
is located nearly seventy miles southeast of Patresea's salon. But I'm very curious about
34:37
Rob's claim that he got gas in Woodstock. Woodstock is a forty five minute
34:43
drive away from the salon, but it's also about an hour's drive northwest from
34:46
Conyers. In other words, Woodstock is definitely not on the same route from
34:51
Rob's home to his workplace and would have required him to drive several miles out
34:55
of his way to get gas. I mean, I guess Rob may have
34:59
had a reasons for traveling to Woodstock that day before he went to work as
35:02
shift in Conyers, and I'm sure investigators probably looked into this. Whatever the
35:07
case, it's hard to imagine Rob abducting and murdering Patrice, dumping her body
35:12
in Dawson County, and then driving seventy miles to work a shift as normal
35:16
without raising any red flags that something was wrong. Remember, the police have
35:22
all this information too, so like you said, some of these things aren't
35:25
lining up. They've said they can't rule him out, but it makes it
35:28
more complex to have him be their main suspect. It also isn't possible for
35:32
them to rule out a murder for hire. But one of the things I'm
35:36
dying to know and we never will maybe is what was the condition of her
35:40
skeletal remains, What were the injuries to her body? They have to know
35:45
something because they are not releasing a cause of death. They're not releasing details
35:52
from her body to the public, which means either in my mind, there
35:57
was a injury to the bones that could have possibly been self inflicted or could
36:01
have been inflicted by someone else. If it was a clear suicide, I
36:06
think they would have said if it was a clear murder, I think they
36:08
would have said if it was clear that she had died from the elements,
36:12
maybe stumbled around and got hypothermia, or you know, was out there and
36:16
just couldn't find her way back as of some mental issue, then I think
36:21
they would have said that. I believe there is a questionable finding when her
36:25
body's discovered that they're leaning towards a murder. Their questioning is this possibly a
36:30
self inflicted wound, and that's why they're not ruling murder, suicide, accident
36:37
undetermined. Something with her skeletal remains tells them some information that they aren't quite
36:43
able to interpret one hundred percent. Yeah, Like it've never flat out said
36:46
that they consider it to be a suicide or some unexplained death. I mean,
36:51
they pretty much seem to be leaning towards it being a murder, but
36:53
it isn't a case though, like where they say that we found the remains,
36:57
but we couldn't determine how the victim died. They definitely did find something
37:00
to make them think that they know how she died, but they're just withholding
37:05
that from the public and likely to read out false confessions from people like Jeremy
37:08
Jones. The biggest piece of evidence which leans away from Rob being the perpetrator
37:14
are the two eye witnesses who saw Patre standing next to a completely different individual
37:19
and a blue car outside the salon. If Rob did it himself, then
37:22
this means he would have had to show up almost immediately after this other person
37:27
left, and he managed to abduct Patrice before her next customer arrived at the
37:30
salon and noticed she was missing. That doesn't seem probable, So if Rob
37:35
is guilty, then the only scenario which makes sense is if he hired the
37:38
individual with the blue car to kill Patrice. Rob's detourt a Woodstock could be
37:44
interpreted as him taking additional steps to place himself at a faraway location and fabricate
37:50
an alibi. During his Unsolved Mysteries interview, Rob even made a remark about
37:53
how he studied criminology, which some people have taken as a sign that he
37:58
was using this knowledge to play out the perfect murder. However, if this
38:01
was a murder for higher plot. Investigators have stated that they've been unable to
38:06
find anything pointing in that direction, such as a large sum of money being
38:09
withdrawn from Rob's bank account during this time period, which he could have used
38:14
to pay the killer. Indeed, it seems very brazen that Rob would arrange
38:17
for someone to abduct Patrese from the salon during the middle of the day,
38:22
unless the perpetrator was watching the place for a couple hours that morning. It
38:25
seems like they got incredibly lucky to be able to pick out a window of
38:30
time when Patrise did not have any customers and was alone. I guess it's
38:34
possible that Rob could have seen Patrice's appointment book and known she did not have
38:37
any appointment schedule between eleven thirty and twelve o'clock. But that sort of thing
38:43
can change at any time, and given that this was a public place next
38:46
to a highway, there's always the risk of someone stopping by. I think
38:51
it has to be more random than that. I don't think it could be
38:53
planned to that extent, because how do you know that that customer at eleven
38:57
thirty is leaving at eleven thirty, the customer coming at twelve isn't coming at
39:00
eleven thirty and waiting for their appointment. So it's very difficult to think that
39:07
Rob sat there and said, she's got this thirty minute gap, this is
39:08
the time that I want you to pull the trigger and get her. I
39:12
do think it's possible someone random watched and watched as only one car was left
39:15
in the parking lot. I also think it's possible that someone just pulled up
39:20
at the exact right time and there wasn't anybody at the Salam, which is
39:23
why they then acted by robbing her, getting her in the car, fussing
39:28
with her out in the parking lot. All of that is a very strong
39:30
possibility for a random nature of this crime. But it is during the middle
39:36
of the day in a busy place, so brazen. That might make more
39:40
sense of why it could have been two people. It would be easier to
39:44
subdue and control her and manipulate her if you have a trusting looking woman start
39:50
the whole act, and then you have the man follow through and get her
39:53
into the vehicle. I agree, I think there's a very strong likelihood that
39:59
this could have been random. I just don't feel like there's enough year to
40:02
support that Rob is involved, aside from Rob behaving in a way that seems
40:07
to lack compassion and empathy and is just outright odd, but that doesn't necessarily
40:13
make him a killer. And we've got no evidence to support anything that was
40:16
related to murder for hire, and I think just the chaotic nature of the
40:21
scene seems like it was random. But yes, there was likely two perpetrators,
40:25
so I'm in agreement with you there. Ash. Look, I know
40:30
that Rob Andres became one of the most hated people on the Internet in twenty
40:34
twenty, and there are some good reasons for that, but given the circumstances,
40:38
it's hard to say with one hundred percent certainty that he was involved in
40:43
this crime. If Rob was involved, he seemed to do a very effective
40:46
job at covering his tracks, and since he just passed away, a murder
40:51
for higher scenario might be the only way to figure out what exactly happened.
40:55
The advances in DNA testing and genetic genealogy have made it possible to solve cold
41:01
cases and conclusively link them to suspects even after they're already deceased. But the
41:07
problem is there is no DNA evidence to work with in this case, if
41:13
Rob did this alone, then he took all his secrets to the grave.
41:15
But if he hired someone to kill Patrese, then that person may still be
41:20
out there and can face justice. But on the other hand, this begs
41:23
the question, if Rob didn't do it, then who actually did. I
41:28
feel like it's a stranger who had either scoped out her salon before or who
41:35
was watching her from afar and looking at her habit. It seems too odd
41:40
for Rob to have been able to pull this off. He doesn't seem highly
41:44
intelligent or very aware. He doesn't seem to try to pull any stunt to
41:50
actually make himself look good or have a story that convinces him something else could
41:55
have happened to her. I mean, he just seems to be aloof and
41:59
float along and makes real poor personal decisions along the way. But I don't
42:02
know that he's well versed enough to actually nail down this thirteen minute murder for
42:07
higher window and or do it himself. It just doesn't seem probable. I
42:13
also think the serial killer links. By the time someone's on death row,
42:16
if they really had could contributed to these murders, would they be talking and
42:22
telling the truth if they're willing to talk about all these other cases. I'm
42:25
thinking more random. I'm thinking someone got away with it and we just don't
42:30
know who they were to hold them accountable. Well, I've always wondered if
42:35
we should place some significance on the location where Patrice's remains were found. That
42:39
wooded area was very rough to rain, and it would have been difficult to
42:43
transport a body through there, which is why investigators push forward the possibility that
42:47
the perpetrator forced Patrise to walk into the woods before they killed her. Rob
42:52
even made an odd remark during his interview about someone using a wheelbarrow to transport
42:57
her body, which struck many people as strangely specific, though it could just
43:00
be him proposing a hypothetical scenario. Since the perpetrator selected a location behind the
43:07
Lebanon Baptist Church, you also have to wonder if they were a local who
43:10
was familiar with the area. I personally lean away from the idea of Patrice
43:15
being abducted by an opportunistic serial killer who has just passing through the area,
43:20
like Jeremy Jones or Gary Michael Hilton, but I have to wonder if it
43:23
was an individual who had been inside the salon before and was familiar with the
43:27
layout and may have even known Patrice personally. A theory I've always found intriguing
43:32
is that it could have been a spouse or someone associated with Patrice's regular customers
43:37
who developed a fixation on her. They may not have been planning to kill
43:40
Patrice that day and only showed up at the salon with the intention of making
43:45
advances towards her, but when she rejected them, things escalated into violence.
43:50
But let's not forget that one of the witnesses was certain that she saw Patrice
43:52
and an older woman putting their hands on each other, So if the perpetrator
43:57
was female, then that points to this crime being motivated by some sort of
44:00
personal grudge. However, if any women ever popped up on the radar as
44:06
potential suspects, investigators have not said so. Until the person or the blue
44:09
vehicle seen outside the salon that day can be identified, the actual truth about
44:15
what happened to Patrice will be based on nothing more than speculation anyway. Ever,
44:20
since this case was featured on Unsolved Mysteries, it sounds like new tips
44:23
have poured in, so hopefully maybe this will lead to a resolution. Someday,
44:29
if you happen to have any information on the murder of Patrise Andris Lee's,
44:32
contact the Georgia Bureau of Investigation tip line at one eight hundred five nine
44:37
seven eight four seven seven. That's one eight hundred five nine seven eight four
44:42
seven seven, Jules Ashley. Any final thoughts on this case. This one
44:47
is scary to think about. You have a woman who was a mother and
44:52
a wife and a business owner, and she's in a very populated busy area
44:58
doing her daily routine, showing up to work, helping her clients, putting
45:01
her lunch by the microwave, She's made a rock and roll, and all
45:05
of a sudden, you have a thirteen minute window between one customer and the
45:08
next coming in and she's vanished. There are some very bizarre behavior by her
45:14
husband. There is some very traumatic and pitiful behavior towards her son who has
45:22
is grieving his missing and then murdered mother. And then we find her body
45:25
as skeletal remains eighteen months later, and we don't know much information beyond that.
45:30
People have come forward with false leads, they've come forward with false confessions.
45:35
You even have people who like you, guys told me are targeting Rob
45:38
being the main suspect, while other people say, I mean, how it's
45:44
very rare. I don't see it. I think he's genuine. So this
45:47
case is riddled with distractions. It's riddled with confusion and a lack of information.
45:54
Even the eyewitnesses contradict one another, or at least aren't provided the full
46:00
picture if they are both accurate. So it's a sad case. It's one
46:05
that I think if this really was at random killing, there is still potential
46:09
for justice. It takes one relationship to change, one breakup, one wrong
46:15
business transaction for someone to say, ha, my friend told me that he
46:17
killed her. I know what happened. This is who it was. So
46:22
I'm praying for Pistol's sake, I'm praying for her family's sake that all this
46:25
attention does bring resolution. But at the end of the day, I'm praying
46:30
that Pistol's doing phenomenal and that he knows how loved he was by his mother,
46:34
who would put him before her marriage. It sounds like fight for what
46:37
was best for him and would have been appalled by the way he was treated.
46:40
Even if Rob's not held responsible. Yeah, my heart really breaks for
46:45
pistol. I feel like he's such a victim in this, and we've got
46:49
to remember that he was a miner when his mother disappeared. Patrice went missing,
46:53
and he gets locked out of the place that he calls home. He
46:57
doesn't have access to his possessions, and Rob, who would have been his
47:00
guardian, did not make arrangements for him. That is like piling trauma on
47:04
top of trauma. And I can understand why. Like Robin had mentioned earlier,
47:08
ninety five percent of the Internet thinks that Rob did this. I personally
47:13
don't agree. I do agree with Ash and that I think it's more of
47:15
a red herring. I think that his behavior is very atypical and it seems
47:20
completely out of touch, and he does these bizarre things. But I think
47:23
it's more indicative of somebody who's suffering from a mental health condition or a personality
47:29
disorder, rather than somebody who killed his wife. Because when it comes down
47:32
to it, we just don't have the evidence to support that he did this.
47:37
The only way that he would have likely that would have been probable,
47:39
would be a murder for hire. It seemed like his alibi made it very
47:44
unlikely that he could have done this, and then when we look at the
47:46
eyewitness testimony, both eyewitnesses described somebody that looks nothing like rob who was bald.
47:52
It was somebody with long hair, whether a woman or a man.
47:57
I agree with Ashley that I think it's most likely a random person. This
48:00
was a major highway, so wasn't it Root six Robin. It was Georgia
48:07
State Route three sixty nine, Georgia Route three sixty nine, so this is
48:12
a major highway and there could have been any number of people who were opportunistic.
48:17
We don't know if robbery would have been the motive or it could have
48:21
just been a stage robbery in order to cover up another motive. And if
48:23
you're going to steal a woman in the middle of the day and you don't
48:28
know her, then the most likely other motive is a sexually based one.
48:31
But like I mentioned earlier, we just we are never going to have the
48:36
answers there because we don't have any DNA and we didn't have a full physical
48:39
body. We only had the skeletal remains. It's just my heart breaks for
48:44
Pateresa's family. I'm just so happy that they got her remains back and that
48:49
her ashes can be where they belong in outside of Rob's possession. Yeah.
48:53
I still remember when the Unsolved Mysteries episode about this dropt three and a half
48:58
years ago, and the Internet just exploded with the reaction to Rob Andris Unsolved
49:02
Mysteries. Fans were saying that, oh my god, he's the creepiest,
49:05
guiltiest husband since Julie Kaylor. But then you look at the evidence and you're
49:08
like, yeah, he acted terrible in his interview, But the investigators who
49:14
were interviewed, who were interviewed on the segment flat out said that they don't
49:16
seem to lean towards him doing it this, like they haven't eliminated him as
49:21
a suspect, but it just kind of seems physically improbable that he could have
49:23
done it, and there's no evidence of a murder for hire. And I
49:28
think that if he wanted to kill Patrise, if he had a motive,
49:30
if she was planning to divorce him, he would get rid of her in
49:34
a much less risky fashion rather than having her abducted from her salon in broad
49:38
daylight when any witnesses could have come in and seen it. So I definitely
49:43
know overall leaned towards her being the victim of a random attack. I don't
49:46
know if it was a stranger. It could have been someone who had a
49:50
personal grudge with Patrese or someone who had a fixation on her. Perhaps there
49:53
was a creepy man who liked to come in there and hit on her,
49:57
and she just never told anyone about it, so that when she when this
50:00
person killed her, no one looked at this individual as a potential suspect.
50:05
But like I said, I do think that the hatred towards Rob has money
50:08
the case a bit. I know he did some despicable things by holding on
50:14
to Patresea's ashes, and if there's a bright spot to him passing away,
50:17
at least Patrese's family, particularly Pistol, has got her ashes back, so
50:22
there's some sort of closure for them, even if they don't actually find out
50:24
who killed her. I know that law enforcement probably has a lot more information
50:30
about this case, and they've released publicly such as the cause of death,
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so I would be interested to know if they have any other suspects in mind
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besides Rob. But if she was the victim of a random perpetrator just passing
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through the area, then it will make it more difficult to solve, and
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it might just be a matter of the right person coming forward with information.
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Maybe someone has openly bragged about this to someone, and if this information has
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passed on the law enforcement, maybe this will finally put this individual on the
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radar and finally get them charged with the murder. Well, then I'm hoping
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that we finally get a resolution in this case. Robin, do you want
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