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- Lucas: So it's June 2026, and Stripe just reported that it processed over one point two trillion dollars in total payment volume last year. Revenue hit thirty-two billion. That is up from about twenty-four billion in 2024. And the wild part? They barely advertise. Luna: They don't have a Super Bowl ad. No billboards. I can't remember ever seeing a Stripe commercial. Lucas: Right. And that's exactly the point. Stripe built its entire business on a single insight: make developers love you, and the companies will follow. It sounds obvious now, but in 2011, when Patrick and John Collison launched Stripe, the dominant player was PayPal, and developers hated integrating it. PayPal's API was a mess of redirects, deprecated endpoints, and a sandbox that barely worked. Luna: I remember reading old Hacker News threads. People were genuinely angry about PayPal. It was a rite of passage for any startup to struggle through that integration. Lucas: Exactly. And the Collison brothers saw that as the opening. Patrick was twenty-two, John was nineteen. They'd already sold their first startup to Yahoo for five million. They knew what it felt like to bang your head against a bad API. So they wrote seven lines of code to start accepting payments. That was the entire pitch: seven lines. And it worked. Luna: Seven lines. That's the kind of claim that sounds like marketing hyperbole, but I've actually seen the old docs. It was real. You put in your secret key, your publishable key, and a token, and you were live. Lucas: It was real. And it wasn't just fewer lines—it was a fundamentally better architecture. Stripe tokenized the payment data on their side, so the developer never handled a credit card number. That meant a huge reduction in PCI compliance scope. For a two-person startup, that was the difference between launching in a week and spending three months on paperwork. Luna: So Stripe essentially made security a side effect of developer convenience. Lucas: Exactly. And they kept iterating on that principle. In 2012 they launched Stripe Connect, which let platforms like Lyft and DoorDash split payments between drivers and the company automatically. That was a massive unlock. Suddenly you could build a marketplace without building a payments infrastructure from scratch. Luna: And if you look at the companies that used Connect early—Shopify, Instacart, Slack—they all grew huge. Stripe grew with them. Lucas: That's the key. Stripe didn't just win on the initial API. They built a platform that got more valuable the more you used it. They added Sigma, which gave you SQL access to your transaction data. They added Radar, which used machine learning to fight fraud. And they did it all without breaking backward compatibility. Developers who integrated in 2012 could still use the same endpoints in 2022. Luna: That's actually remarkable. Most APIs would have deprecated everything twice by then. Lucas: And PayPal did exactly that. They had multiple generations of APIs—PayPal Payments Pro, PayPal Express Checkout, Braintree—and each one required a new integration. Stripe never forced that. They understood that a developer's time is the scarcest resource in a startup. Luna: But let's talk about the down round in 2023. Stripe raised money at a fifty billion valuation, down from ninety-five billion in 2021. That was a huge story. A lot of people thought it signaled trouble. Lucas: And the Collisons were very clear about why they did it. They didn't need the money. Stripe had been generating positive free cash flow since 2020. They took the round to give employees liquidity—many had options that were about to expire, and there wasn't an IPO on the horizon. It was a pragmatic move, not a distress signal. Luna: Still, cutting the valuation by almost half felt like a blow to the narrative. Unicorns aren't supposed to shrink. Lucas: But the narrative missed the nuance. Stripe's revenue in 2023 was about fourteen billion. In 2025 it was thirty-two billion. The business doubled in two years. The valuation reset was about market conditions, not company health. And in fact, that down round let Stripe be more aggressive. They didn't have to chase growth at any cost. They could focus on expanding into new geographies and products. Luna: And they did. They launched Stripe Tax, Stripe Issuing, Stripe Capital. They moved into embedded finance in a big way. Lucas: Right. Stripe Capital lets companies lend money to their own customers based on transaction data. If you're a Shopify merchant and you process a hundred thousand dollars a month through Stripe, Stripe can offer you a loan with underwriting that happens in seconds. That's a product only Stripe can build because they own the payment data. Luna: That's the moat. PayPal has data too, but they never made it as accessible. Stripe's whole pitch is 'we're the financial infrastructure for the internet.' They're not just processing payments; they're providing the rails for the entire fintech ecosystem. Lucas: And that's why even after the valuation reset, Stripe's long-term story is still compelling. They have a network effect: the more merchants use Stripe, the more data they have to improve fraud detection, which makes the platform safer, which attracts more merchants. Adyen and Square are competitors, but they don't have the same developer loyalty. Luna: But let's be fair—Adyen is strong in Europe, and Square owns the small, in-person retail space. Stripe's dominance is really in online, software-first businesses. Lucas: Exactly. And Stripe knows that. They've started moving into point of sale hardware with Stripe Terminal, but it's a different game. The real competition is for the next generation of startups. When a founder in 2026 decides to build a SaaS product, Stripe is still the default choice. That brand stickiness with developers is incredibly hard to replicate. Luna: And you have to credit the Collison brothers for that culture. They're both deeply technical. They still review code. That sets a tone that permeates the entire company. Lucas: Absolutely. Patrick Collison is famously hands-on. He once rewrote a critical part of the payments pipeline himself when a bug was causing latency spikes. That kind of leadership signals that engineering quality is non-negotiable. And it's why Stripe's documentation is still the gold standard in the industry. Luna: It's a good reminder that, for certain products, the user experience isn't just about the UI. It's about the API. The developer is the user. Lucas: And that brings us to something worth noting. These deep-dive conversations about how companies like Stripe were built take a lot of time to research and produce. 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In 2024, a multi-hour outage during Black Friday cost merchants millions. Stripe handled it well—they published a detailed postmortem, they compensated affected users—but it shows the challenge of operating at that scale. Luna: Still, if you're betting on which payments company will define the next decade, Stripe feels like the safe bet. They have the product, the culture, and the trust of the people who actually build the internet. Lucas: That trust is the hardest thing to copy. And it's why, eleven years after those seven lines of code, Stripe is still the company every startup wants to be like.