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Ronald Reagan -- GOAT or Overhyped? | Yaron & Nikos Dialogues · Yaron Brook Show

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  Speaker 1: A lot of them follows leader lats and any individual lots.
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  Speaker 2: This is the show, all right, everybody, Welcome to Yuran
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  Speaker 2: and Nikos dialogues show dialogues. We're calling it dialogue, all right, dialogues.
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  Speaker 2: I hope everybody had a great week, and this is
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  Speaker 2: your weekend treat. Is me Nikos today on a Saturday
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  Speaker 2: instead of Sunday because it's the finals tomorrow, and uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Nicos has to prep for the finals. He
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have time for for all of this. So I
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  Speaker 2: take it to you unbelievably happy and how how it
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  Speaker 2: has all turned out.
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  Speaker 1: Happy is a different feeling, hop in a religious way.
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  Speaker 1: Like I in the second goal, I didn't celebrate it
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  Speaker 1: as a goal. I was just something like what am
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  Speaker 1: I experienced right now? And I'm not even joking, Like, think,
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  Speaker 1: think about how important art is for you, right whatever
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  Speaker 1: artist for you. Football has been for me. So I
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  Speaker 1: think what we experienced with Mess in the semi final
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  Speaker 1: was the equivalent of you watching in real time live
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  Speaker 1: stream someone drawing the capella the system sapen. It was
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  Speaker 1: the system saple of football. Mess is thirty minutes in
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  Speaker 1: the second half in the semifinal.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody I saw some comments somewhere that somebody was going
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  Speaker 2: to ask me a super chat question about is what
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  Speaker 2: is the relationship between sport and art? Can can can
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  Speaker 2: sport give you the same thing that art can? And
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  Speaker 2: they never have. So I'm still waiting for that question.
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  Speaker 2: If anybody wants to ask it, I will answer it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure Nichols will agree, but I'll answer it.
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  Speaker 2: But it's yeah, I mean, uh, it was.
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  Speaker 3: It was fun to watch.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, England made a massive strategic mistake in uh in
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  Speaker 2: how they how they performed after their first goal and
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  Speaker 2: uh they only go which Argentina took advantage of. And
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  Speaker 2: you got a sense as the minutes stick by, it
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  Speaker 2: was just amount of time.
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  Speaker 3: It was just they hit the post a future.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was just they were really they were
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  Speaker 2: attacking and Messi was involved in almost every every and
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  Speaker 2: you could see him. The other thing I liked is
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  Speaker 2: you could see him kind of in the middle, you know,
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  Speaker 2: pointing past him, go over there. You know, he was
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  Speaker 2: actually directing. It was like a conductor above the box
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  Speaker 2: and literally telling people where to go, where the ball
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  Speaker 2: should go, how it should happened.
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  Speaker 4: Over the game.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's that's the only way you can explain, you
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  Speaker 1: can describe it. He took over the whole game, and
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  Speaker 1: there are not many people in football. In basketball, you
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  Speaker 1: can do it, yep. In football, eleven players play. It's
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  Speaker 1: way more difficult to take over a game.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get back to that in the Q and A.
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  Speaker 1: Because some people complain that enough with the soccer. We're
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  Speaker 1: not here for the soccer.
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  Speaker 2: And then other people were saying, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they love the soccer, so they love hearing us talk
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  Speaker 2: about the soccer. So you can't please other people all
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  Speaker 2: the time.
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  Speaker 1: The other aesthetic experience of the week is that I
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  Speaker 1: watched Oddly Say yesterday, So if someone wants we can debate,
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  Speaker 1: we can. I can tell you my view later short version.
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  Speaker 1: Go and watch it and tune out all the idiots
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  Speaker 1: on Tweeter. We're like, oh, this is gonna tend you
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  Speaker 1: in a hilary.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, here's the thing whatever, even the even some
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  Speaker 2: even the conservatives. So I went to see it, and
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  Speaker 2: I've all come back and said that was really good.
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  Speaker 2: Like Ben Shapiro came back. He's weaving about it. But
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  Speaker 2: Michael knows who is completely anti He said, yeah, there
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  Speaker 2: are a few woke things and I can't quite grasp
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  Speaker 2: them and everything, but wow, you know, you all should
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  Speaker 2: go see it. So even the people who are complaining
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  Speaker 2: bitterly about it before they ever saw it actually blown
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  Speaker 2: away by it. So that's a good sign. I think
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  Speaker 2: the only negative review I saw of it, I saw
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  Speaker 2: one mainstream media negative review of it, but almost uniformly
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  Speaker 2: the reviews have been positive. So I will be watching
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  Speaker 2: it in a couple of weeks. I'll actually go in
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  Speaker 2: Lisbon to see it. I just don't have time before that.
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  Speaker 2: But and I'll probably do a whole show about it,
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  Speaker 2: given given all the all the all the.
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  Speaker 3: Talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: But but yeah, so we spoke about one goat messy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: today we're gonna discuss on someone else, on whether he's
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  Speaker 1: the goat.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I wanna Reagan. It's a great topic. It's
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  Speaker 2: a great topic, I think, because you know, we live
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  Speaker 2: in a world of Donald Trump, so a lot of
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  Speaker 2: us miss Reagan. I mean, we miss pretty much anybody,
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  Speaker 2: but we certainly miss Reagan within the Republican Party. And
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  Speaker 2: I think there is to some extent idealization of Reagan
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  Speaker 2: that there is the question of is he as good
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  Speaker 2: as some people remember.
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  Speaker 3: Him as being. There's a question.
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  Speaker 2: Of Einrand not voting for him in nineteen eighty versus
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  Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter, who you'd think would be an obvious choice,
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  Speaker 2: particularly given how many objectivists support Trump, and you compare
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  Speaker 2: Trump to Reagan. And there's also the question of you know,
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  Speaker 2: Reagan was an actor and his evolution and so it's
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  Speaker 2: an interesting story just to go through. But I think
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  Speaker 2: the real significance is is Reagan? Where you know? Is Reagan?
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  Speaker 2: What we should striffle is Reagan? Who we should harken
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  Speaker 2: back to? Is Is he the goat or even the
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  Speaker 2: goat of the twentieth century, never mind the goat of
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  Speaker 2: all time? The challenges and I'll just say the challenge
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  Speaker 2: is there haven't been a lot of good presidents in
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  Speaker 2: the twenty cent The bardy is very low. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: the boar is very low. Certainly the published some good
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  Speaker 2: president in nineteenth century, but in the twentieth century, there's
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  Speaker 2: just the standard is very very low. There's maybe one person.
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  Speaker 1: Let's before we discuss everything else, let's put something on
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  Speaker 1: the table which is unique in riga every other president
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  Speaker 1: which we discuss as a goat is related to some
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  Speaker 1: big tragedy or talent. So for example, the first president,
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  Speaker 1: the Lincoln with the Civil War, then people who had
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  Speaker 1: to deal with war, with world wars. Reagan had such
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  Speaker 1: an impact that we are putting him in the discussion
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  Speaker 1: although he did not have to face anything existentially big
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  Speaker 1: like a civil war or the World War.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Although he needed Coolidge, and cool Age is often in
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  Speaker 2: the discussion and needed it Cleveland, who I think is
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  Speaker 2: probably one of the best presidents, if not the best
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  Speaker 2: of the late certainly of the late nineteenth century.
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  Speaker 3: But yes, I mean it's.
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  Speaker 2: Reagan didn't and he, on the other hand, he gets
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  Speaker 2: you know, he gets a lot of credit. You know,
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  Speaker 2: people give him a lot of credit both on an
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  Speaker 2: economy as a capitalist right supposedly, and on pharm policy.
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  Speaker 2: So we need to cover both of those and and
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  Speaker 2: and see and and and see what our actual objective
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  Speaker 2: evaluation is of him. Given all that, again, it's easy
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  Speaker 2: to romanticize him, I think for two reasons. Actually, and
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  Speaker 2: then we will go to two reasons. One is in
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  Speaker 2: comparison to Trump, Yeah, I mean he was, he was
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  Speaker 2: a giant. And the second is he grave gave great speeches.
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  Speaker 2: He was a great author, and the content of the
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  Speaker 2: speeches was often excellent. And you know, I've seen now
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  Speaker 2: a number of times, for example, his parting speech, which
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  Speaker 2: had to do with immigration, and it's like I'm almost
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  Speaker 2: in tears, and particularly in comparison to anybody, anybody in
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  Speaker 2: the Republican Party today speaking about immigration. I mean, what
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  Speaker 2: a what a what a different world we live in,
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  Speaker 2: and what a different attitude.
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  Speaker 4: But we'll get one third.
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  Speaker 1: Elements said, yeah, compared to compared to today's people, you said
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  Speaker 1: his speech. I think also there's something genuine in his character.
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  Speaker 1: Obama is also a great orator, not that great, but
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  Speaker 1: he's a good order.
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  Speaker 4: But you don't get that this is a guy.
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  Speaker 1: Who genuinely believes these things, or who gives you this
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  Speaker 1: this who has this life capability.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, there's a benevolence and a real love of
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  Speaker 2: America there that that comes across. I think in Reagan
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  Speaker 2: you certainly don't get on Obama. And I don't think
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  Speaker 2: I was never impressed by Obama's otheritory, So maybe I'm
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  Speaker 2: missing something, but.
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  Speaker 3: I know other people were so.
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  Speaker 2: And people thought Bill Clinton was likable and that I
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  Speaker 2: never got I never understood that. But but Reagan has
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  Speaker 2: a charmer.
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  Speaker 1: It's a different thing. If you're a charmer, you have
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  Speaker 1: to try for it. Yeah, with Reagan, it's it's more organic.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's right.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's right.
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  Speaker 2: So's let's start with, you know, his beginnings, where it
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  Speaker 2: comes from, and what he did early in his career. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So he's born in nineteen eleven, small town in Illinois.
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  Speaker 1: Now for the things that are relevant to today. He
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  Speaker 1: comes from the house of a democrat father and an
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  Speaker 1: alcoholic father and a very religious and altruist mother. And
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  Speaker 1: this is a family which people we think back then,
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  Speaker 1: you know everyone socially because no, it's a family which
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  Speaker 1: is strictly opposed to discrimination and racial bigotry. And this
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  Speaker 1: is something that early on. So there is there's this highlight,
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  Speaker 1: this moment where you know, there's this football team, American football,
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  Speaker 1: and they go to a hotel and the guy, the
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  Speaker 1: hotel guy says, you know, know, people of color here,
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  Speaker 1: that's not how he put it back then, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: the coat says, okay, we're all living.
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  Speaker 4: So Rigan, from a small from a.
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  Speaker 1: Young age, he gets this idea that it's worth standing
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  Speaker 1: up for principles, whatever these principles are. Now his upbringing,
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  Speaker 1: his intellectual upbringing, is different from what we'd expect. He
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  Speaker 1: takes actually sociology classes at college with very strong social
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  Speaker 1: justice orientation with call it today. First election he ever
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  Speaker 1: votes is ninety thirty two. He votes for FDR. Roosevelt
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  Speaker 1: remains throughout his life, even when he changes his views,
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  Speaker 1: a giant in his eyes.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, then voted thirty R in nineteen thirty two. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and the main reason was for her was that FDR
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  Speaker 2: was committed to doing away with prohibition.
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  Speaker 1: I had no idea that I run could vote in
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  Speaker 1: ninety thirty two.
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  Speaker 4: I thought this game later. Wow, Okay, No.
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  Speaker 2: She was then married, she was already a U citizen,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't think she ever She never voted for
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  Speaker 2: him again. But you know, thirty two risult ran as
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  Speaker 2: as pretty conservative or pretty market oriented Democrat, and he
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  Speaker 2: was against provision and probition was a big deal. And
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  Speaker 2: it's always interesting to know throughout her life what issues
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  Speaker 2: really got in man and what inspired her to vote
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  Speaker 2: one way or the other.
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  Speaker 3: And in thirty two, from what I understand, it was provision.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: This is important because this relates to how I run
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  Speaker 1: will deal with with Reagan later in ninety eighty. So
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  Speaker 1: Reagan actually every in all the elections that the FDR stood,
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  Speaker 1: he voted for for FDR. What he appreciates in FDR
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  Speaker 1: is that when everything seems bleak, when everything seems lost,
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  Speaker 1: when everything seems in chaos, here's a calming voice telling.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone that it's gonna be okay.
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  Speaker 1: And literally voice FDR is very good in this rad.
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  Speaker 4: I think they're called the fire Fireside Charge yep.
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  Speaker 1: And Regan pays attention and he already understands the importance
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  Speaker 1: of communication.
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  Speaker 4: Later his nickname would be the Great commun Unicated.
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  Speaker 1: So he starts with a career as a radio pandit
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  Speaker 1: he has to give what to they would call livestream,
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  Speaker 1: a commentary on games, sometimes games that he cannot watch.
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  Speaker 1: So he gets papers that tell this guy did X.
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  Speaker 1: And he has to make up of everything of everything else.
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  Speaker 1: But his big passion is ready is his dreams. He
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  Speaker 1: wants to become an actor, and he goes to Hollywood
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  Speaker 1: I think in the late I think thirty seven or something.
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  Speaker 4: He has his first his first.
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  Speaker 1: Movie, and in ninety forty he marries for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: a younger woman who already had married twice in the past.
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  Speaker 4: That's important because back.
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  Speaker 1: Then you had to be very progressive socially to do this.
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  Speaker 4: She had married not to.
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  Speaker 3: Once, twice.
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  Speaker 1: So he's twenty nine and he's married to a woman
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  Speaker 1: who is married who's married already twice at that point.
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  Speaker 4: His made making a lot of movies.
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  Speaker 1: The most famous one is where he plays a notre
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  Speaker 1: damn football player, Gip, and he gets the nickname the Gipper.
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  Speaker 4: He gives the famous line win one for the Gipper.
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  Speaker 1: But then the war happens, and during World War Two,
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  Speaker 1: he serves the war effort as it happens from California,
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  Speaker 1: but he does a lot of good propaganda work.
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  Speaker 4: To cheer up the troops and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And he starts reading Readers Digest during that time, so
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  Speaker 1: he starts being a beat, let's say, intellectually curious. He's
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  Speaker 1: not a giant, he's not reading Hey Gel, but he's
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  Speaker 1: intellectually curious. Then the war ends. But the problem is
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  Speaker 1: that after the war, people don't anymore like these films
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  Speaker 1: where you have the clearly good guy and the clearly
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  Speaker 1: bad guy. And Reagan always wanted to play the clearly
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  Speaker 1: good guy, always good guy.
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  Speaker 4: He couldn't he maybe he couldn't support it. As an actor, he.
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  Speaker 1: Couldn't play the nuanced character, the morally gray character. So
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  Speaker 1: he finds himself out of place because he had the
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  Speaker 1: more one dimensional profile. Still, though there's a we could
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  Speaker 1: say he's on the top ten, maybe not best actors,
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  Speaker 1: but most recognizable faces.
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  Speaker 2: So thees you make movies in the four eas and fifties? Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: does he make movies in the four eas and fifties?
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  Speaker 4: He makes?
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  Speaker 1: He makes movies in the in the forties, but they're
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  Speaker 1: not any more big successes, and he has contracts, and
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  Speaker 1: he has a contract that he carries from the thirties,
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  Speaker 1: but they cannot find movies that fit for him.
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  Speaker 4: So now he gets involved.
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  Speaker 1: With the Stage Actors Trade union. To put it this way,
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  Speaker 1: So let's see how his politics are at that point.
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  Speaker 1: His politics after World War Two are still progressive, but he's.
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  Speaker 4: Flirting now with.
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  Speaker 1: The idea that being progressive is good, but we cannot
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  Speaker 1: be communists like communists are. Actually he's already made up
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  Speaker 1: his mind that communists are actually bad.
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  Speaker 4: And his communism starts accidentally.
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  Speaker 1: Because he experiences the thuggery and the hostility of actual
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  Speaker 1: communists who considered him a seal for the big studios
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  Speaker 1: and a seal for the bigger for the bigger capitalists.
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  Speaker 1: And actually they threaten him. He's threatened that they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: throw acid in his face. So we're talking about very
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  Speaker 1: ugly staff. And that's how he becomes more and more.
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  Speaker 1: It started as instinctive, but he becomes an anti communist
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  Speaker 1: almost by they force him to be an anti communist.
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  Speaker 1: But in ninety fourty eight, for example, he's still voting
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  Speaker 1: for the Democrats. He votes for he votes for Truman.
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  Speaker 1: In his personal life, we have something important in ninety
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  Speaker 1: forty seven and his wife is practically bored with him.
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  Speaker 1: Third husband, who has to go, and she wants to
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  Speaker 1: divorce him. It's a big heartbreak for him. Silver lining.
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  Speaker 1: Two years later, he meets the woman who would become
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  Speaker 1: the love of his life, Nancy later Nancy Rigan, and
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  Speaker 1: three years later, in fifty two.
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  Speaker 4: They get married.
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  Speaker 1: Fifty two is also important because he leaves the leadership
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  Speaker 1: of the stage actors guilt, but he cannot find job anymore.
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  Speaker 1: So he's a husband and here is the first time
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  Speaker 1: in his life. The life of Ronaldrigan is I call
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  Speaker 1: him the comeback King. When you think he's done, he
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  Speaker 1: reinvents himself. So he works a bit in Las Vegas
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  Speaker 1: doing a not stand up comedy, but stand up entertainment.
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  Speaker 1: People rich people are reading and drinking, and he says.
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  Speaker 4: Stories from Hollywood.
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  Speaker 1: But then for many, something like eight years, he becomes
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  Speaker 1: for the people. Understand it, picture a Yaron Brook before
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  Speaker 1: your own Brook. So his job is literally to travel
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  Speaker 1: around and give talks in defense of the American spirit
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  Speaker 1: and in defense of business. This starts when he gets
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  Speaker 1: employed by General Electric.
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  Speaker 4: They have a little TV show, but also they send
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  Speaker 4: him on the road.
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  Speaker 1: Now let's post here for a second and realize what
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  Speaker 1: a different country that is. Ronald Reagan at that point
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  Speaker 1: is still a Democrat, And you could pick a Democrat
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  Speaker 1: who was a good speaker, and you can trust him
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  Speaker 1: that he would give talks in defense of Americanism and
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  Speaker 1: in defense of the free enterprise opposing communism.
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  Speaker 4: Today.
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  Speaker 1: Literally, you'd have to find Yaron to do this job
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  Speaker 1: back then, a normal American who would be a good speaker,
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  Speaker 1: who actually would actually do that. So for eight years
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  Speaker 1: he becomes this spokesperson for business. This WHI is training
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  Speaker 1: for him imagine. I mean, you don't have to imagine.
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  Speaker 1: Every night, Almost every night he has to give a talk.
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  Speaker 1: It's basically the same things, but package in different ways
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  Speaker 1: and in between, mostly in trains because he has fear
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  Speaker 1: of flying, so he doesn't fly, so he's all the time.
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  Speaker 4: In the train.
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  Speaker 1: He starts reading readers, digest he starts reading books like economics,
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  Speaker 1: in one lesson the Conscience how it's called the Conscience
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  Speaker 1: of a Conservative, that book that came out around that time,
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  Speaker 1: And he wakes up one day he realizes, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: any more a Democrat, so I think in the early
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  Speaker 1: sixties he registers Republican. But his sermon, his talks become
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  Speaker 1: too radical now for general electric so they tell him,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for your service.
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  Speaker 4: You're out.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, at some point here.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't find the of the biography I've read.
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  Speaker 2: There's some notes somewhere in his journals about Atlas shucked.
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  Speaker 1: If you read the speech that we're going to mention
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: in a moment, it's impossible, I think, to write that
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: speech without having read.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Atlas lag yep So ninety sixty four.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: He's fifty three years old, and now his career as
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: a public speaking is also going nowhere. And this is
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: the time when this is the time when Barry Goldwater
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: is a candidate we like, I mean, our movement Barry Goldwater,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: he's a firebrand. Guess who doesn't like him the country?
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: So two weeks before the election, his campaign is at
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a low. They don't have money, they don't have enthusiasm.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: So there is this fundraising event in California, I think,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and they don't even have a speaker, and they have
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: to think who could give a talk vaguely on the
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: themes that we like? And they remember always this guy,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: and they bring Regan as last choice. He gives a talk,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: half an hour talk and the people who went there
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: just basically they think someone is gonna stand up there
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to entertain us. They're applauding and they're shouting. They get
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: absolutely mesmerized by that talk, and straight up and the
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: people start chatting, why is Goldwater or candidate and not
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: this guy. Notice that Vegan is saying exactly the same
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: things that Goldwater is saying, but his packaging is different
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: because he's a good communicator. Take note, people, communication matters,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the delivery matters. So they tell him, look, this talk
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: is too good. To be lost in one fund raising,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: so they recreate all the setting. They bring a camera,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: they shoot it in a different setting, but the enthusiasm
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: of the audience is still the same and organic, and
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: they show it to the whole of the country. They
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: buy some airtime. Back then it would be the equivalent
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: of today, you have a talk and it becomes violent.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: So in ninety sixty four, the whole country sees a
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: guy giving a talk which is called a time for changing.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: And this is when Ronald Regan is now not anymore
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that has been actor. He's now a public political figure.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: And we can say more about this talk, but.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a big theme of this talk is this is
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: a time where Medicare is being proposed and the Johnson administration,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: if Johnson wins, Medicare is going to pass. This is
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: a this is a big campaign thing for Johnson. Basically,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: this is this is the beginning of the welfare state
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: in the United States, the whole and this talk is
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: why medicare is in movel, why medicare is is wrong,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Why why we should I mean imagine giving a talk
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: like that today. I mean, it's unthinkable, unthinkable, indeed, it was,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, he never he didn't when he became president,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: he never mentioned that talk. You should have listened to it,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: but it was. It's really good. I mean, you guys should.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: It's on YouTube. You can find the talk. It's it's
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: a it's a really good talk for a non objectivist,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: for political figure. It's a pretty amazing talk, both in
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: content and in the way he delivers it. By the way,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I have found the reference to Iron Rand. So in
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: May twenty third, my birthday, as it happens, I was five,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six, he wrote a letter to a corporate
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: executive and he wrote, quote, I'm an admirer of Iron Rand,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: but it hadn't seen this study. I guess the guy
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: had sent him something some particular supposed that he was
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: particularly familiar with the essay Conservatism and obituary, and and
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: of course was very sympathetic to opposition to communism. But yeah,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: so he he knew more than he knew quite a
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: bit supposedly about Iron Man.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: So just for our audience to get an idea, I'll
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: read just five lines and keep in mind, this is today,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: would say live stream to the whole country from a
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: conservative quote, he's talked about communism. We're at war with
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the most dangerous enemy that has ever faced mankind in
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: his long climb from the swamp to the stars. And
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: it's been said, if we lose that war, and in
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: so doing lose this way of freedom of ours, history
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: will record with the greatest astonishment that those who had
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: most to lose did the least to prevent its happening.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: This end of quote.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: This stock also has many quotes that our audience will
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: have heard.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: This Cuban businessman who.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Speaks to the Americans and says how he escaped Castro,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: and the Americans tell its other, We're so lucky, we
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: have it so good, and the Cuban says.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: You're lucky.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I'm lucky I had somewhere to escape. You don't have
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: somewhere to escape. And as he put it in the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: in the in the talk, if we lose freedom here,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: there's no place to escape to. This is the last
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: stand on earth. And he makes this point like two
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: minutes in the talk. So everyone is like, oh my god.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: So it's it's absolutely crazy that such a talk would
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: become so big at that time, whereas today I think
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: it's only only objectives could make something of the points
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: that he makes in the top. Of course, he also
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: makes non objectives to put these way points, but that's
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: that's for another discussion.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: So, yes, sixty four has come to national attention. He's
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: give us something to do. So where does he turned
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: to next? In gold Ward obviously loses the campaign in
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: spite of Wigan's will you talk?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he loses in the landslide. Again, this talk is
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: two weeks before the elections, not that anything would change
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: if it was earlier, but anyway, So then in ninety
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: sixty six there's elections in California and the big donors,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: let's say, the big supporters of the Republican part of California,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: they say, look, we have someone who is our own.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: He's a California. He's a run for the elections.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Now, it's important to remember what happens in California in
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: sixty five, actually more than in sixty five.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: We have the student movement, we have the new Left.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: We have people who, in the eyes of what later
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: we'd call the moral majority, the normal people, they're freaks,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: the batniqus, all with the hair, with the drugs. And
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: also almost every summer, and particularly in the summer of
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: sixty five, there are riots. They're the wats riots and
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: riots with tens of people dying, not to mention the
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: property laws. So California is freaking out that we cannot
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: go on this way. So within this setting, Ronald Reagan
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: becomes the governor of California ninety sixty six. Because some
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: people might think, how did the Republican become the governor
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: in California.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: First, it's a different California.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Different calcraffics, and also it's.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: A California which is in crisis because they have experienced
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: the ugly stuff. Now, what is his program as a governor?
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: What is he promising? I will cut taxes and I
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: will cut expenses.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: This is his promise. And the thing is.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: If you see his government career in California, it's very
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: similar with what actually happens when he becomes when he
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: becomes a president, which is within months, he realized that
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: he cannot do this because first all he has inherited.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: A debt, let's say, from the previous administration.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: But also he says, I will cut social services, and
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: immediately people ask, oh.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: What's gonna do.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: So You're gonna let old people die, You're gonna let
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: poor people. I cannot let poor people, but I'm gonna
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: cut wasteful only expenses. And of course, to cut a
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: long story, sort soon he has to raise taxes, and
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: he raises the deficit of California. Some people claim he
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: doubled it, but it depends how.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: You measure it.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: But still he's a successful politician because he sells this
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: image I'm a citizen politician. I'm a citizen politician. I'm
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: one of you. I'm not a career politicians. Also in California,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: he has his first grappling with the issue of abortion.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: He grapples a lot within him, and he passes a
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: legislation which for the time is progressive compared to because
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: he expands the situations in which abortion could be provided.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Later he regrets it, but let's just publish on the
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: table that this interesting thing, interesting thing happens.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: He also passes welfare reform, so he does, you know,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: he does restrictability of people, some people to get welfare,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: titan eligibility. You know, he red uses the number of
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: people in welfare. So he does a little bit of that.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: But yes, in terms of physical policy, I mean he
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: you know, he actually raises taxes about a billion dollars
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: an extra of revenue come in.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: He rejiggers it, right, so he lowers.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: He supports a lowering of property taxes what happens in California,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: but a lot of the other taxes are going up.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: You know, He's a competent governor that doesn't do anything
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: too radical, doesn't change California in any significant way, I
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: mean in an un environment. For example, it's his administration
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: establishes the California Air Resources Board, right, which is the
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: big state environmental agency that today is choking California and
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: has been choking California for a long time. By the way,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: all the regulatory all the environmental regulatory agencies of a
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: public in creation, so Richard Nixon was creating them all
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: at the federal level.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: The first earth Day, when we're gonna discuss it, when
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: we discuss maybe environmental the first Earth Day is under Nixon.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep. And and the EPA is created on the
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: NIXT and a bunch of regulatory agencies created and the
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Nixon Nixon is one of the most status of all
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: and status who achieved something actually have an impact in
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: American history.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: And speaking of Nixon, we forgot to mention that the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: ninety sixty eight he fled written first with the idea
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: of running for the Republican primaries.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: He kind of half heartedly runs and doesn't run.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: But when he realized that Nixon God knows why he
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: has the majority, he decides not to not to challenge it.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: He does run though, in ninety seventy six against Ford,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: and again God knows why. The Republicans thing Ford is
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the good is the good option here?
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, this is the beginning of the
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: animosity of invent. Invent was a huge Ford fan. She
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: she liked Ford.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: She is what for?
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: She supported Ford. She thought Ford was as good as
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you could be as a Republican. She thought he was
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: so he was secular.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: He was wait wait, wait wait, he was secular.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: He was secular You mean as a president because personally
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: he was a very he was an actual Christian and he.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, but as president he was he was.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: He stood by separations just in state he was. He
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: played to the kind of the more moderate Republicans. He
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: had started the big regulatory deregulation push under his administration.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: He's the one who hired Alan Greenspan as a chief
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: economic advisor.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: So she respected him for that. You know, I don't
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: know what green Span actually did there, but.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: And see God also an invitation to the White House.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I think she met for there was a famous photo
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: of who with Alan Greenspan and Ford, and I think
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: for I think for his wife.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Sport's wife.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: By the way, we have to also mention this Ford's
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: wife compared to if you if you picture a Republican
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: first lady today, Ford's wife was actually literally progressive com
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: particularly compared to your first ladies.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's partially Ford's I really city
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: when he come to when he come to governing, when
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: he come to actually governing, Ford was was so it
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: was good an economics, I mean good compared to Nixon,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: good compared to most of the Republicans out there. And
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: he was good on social issues. So she viewed Ford
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: as about the best you could expect. She also viewed
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Ford as a good as as a.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Man of character. She thought he was just a good guy.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: And he had no charisma, he couldn't give a rousing speech,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: but she thought he was a hed a solid character.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: And and and you know, again compared to Nixon, compared
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: to you know, Eisenhowers and nothing. She thought he would
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: bet it was better than Eisenhower.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: So yeah, she was sorry to let people know. Ford
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: does not win an election, Nixon resigns. Ford becomes president.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Ford win the primaries in ninety seventy six, and he
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: loses to a guy who before.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: This Pinusbody to Peanut Farmer from.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: Peanut Firmer and Carter.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: So in ninety eighty, Reagan again decides to run in
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: the primaries. Oh, by the way, when he loses in
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: ninety seventy six, you're the good guy in match ninety
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: seventy six minus ninety eleven.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: How old was he?
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Oh sixty sixty five?
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, so when he loses six talking about Reagan, I'm
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: talking about Dagon. When Reagan loses the primaries in seventy six,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: everyone thinks, this is your last chance. It's like when
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Messi lost the World Cup, didn't win the World Cup
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, It's like the next time, you're going
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: to be too old. And yet, because he's of good
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: health and he kept himself active and all that stuff,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: he runs again in ninety in ninety eighty, I think
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: he's sixty nine by then.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: But again I almost failed high. He was born in
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: ninety eleven. Do the match.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: So he runs, He wins the primaries in ninety eighty
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: against his biggest opponent was a boost Semior.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: And again his.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: His main platform is I'm going to cut taxes, I'm
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: going to cut regulations, I'm going to cut spending, and
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I'm going to make our military mightier and stronger. This
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: is his platform, exactly the same platform he ran for California,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: just at the military stuff. And around that time he
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: gets excited with this idea of supply side economics.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: So let's give just one one thing though, before we
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: get to he wins the elections in ninety eighty, but
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: let's give some context when the where the country is
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: in ninety eighty, nineteen eighty, ninety eighty, Sorry, what do
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: you say?
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: No?
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I thought she's said ninety eight.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: So in nineteen no, no, no, nineteen ninety eighty nine
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: eight zero ninety yeah. So when he becomes for the
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: first time president, So in the previous two decades the
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: country had experienced the assassination of a president, many political assassinations.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: The Kenned is the Malcolm Max Martin Luther King, a
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: defeat in Vietnam, which was an absolute humiliation, and what.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Fifty something thousand people lost.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: The humiliation in Iran with the hostages, the counter culture,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: the Nixon scandal, and the economy. I think at the
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: beginning of the ninety eighty he the inflation is something
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: like about twelve percent and unemployment is something like seven percent.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: So the counter had experienced two decades.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Of humiliation, despair or despair pessimism, and half the country thought,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: this is not my country anymore. So during that time,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: you have roversus, wait, you have diseggregation. So it has
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: been two very turbulent decades. So this is the context
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: within which Ronald Reagan wins the presidency in ninety eighty.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Crime is rising.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: The attempt to rescue the hostages in Iran results in
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: two helicopters crashing over the desert in Iran. It's just
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: a few weeks before the election. Literally country on two,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: three weeks before the election. This happens. So the country
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: lward and there's Jimmy Carter coming on television during one
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: of the energy crises. We're wearing a sweater, basically telling everybody,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I know, the heating is expensive.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: You know, we're a sweater. You know, we're a sweater.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: So it reminds you of Mam Dani recently coming on
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: telling New Yorkers not to put their air conditioning below
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: seventy eight And just a second up in terms of
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: but but yeah, Jimmy Catter came on television with a
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: sweater telling Americans. Yeah, I mean, there's no choice, this
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: is life. So very Jimmy Cotter was a defeatist. You know,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the country is a negative mood. Everything is going badly.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, but given more context, even Japanese companies are
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: eating Americans lunch. Right, So Americans used to make all
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: the TVs in the world. By the nineteen eighties, the
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: marriage making not zero, but they're making almost no TVs
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: V you know, videotape which used to be in it,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: which was invented in America. Completely Japanese American art companies
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: on the brink of bankruptcy. Krysler goes bankrupt early in
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Reagan's presidency because of Japanese cars coming in. You know,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the whole everything that everybody talks about today, industrialization. You know,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: America was losing every dimension was losing to the Japanese
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Japan was rising. Even Germany was rising. German economy was
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: chugging along. Industrialization in Germany was great. Everything in the
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: United States seemed over crime was increasing, It felt like
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: poverty was increasing.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: New York was a dump.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: New York had just gone bankrupt in in the late
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventies. New York had gone bankrupt. There were strikes
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: all the time, garbage piling up in the streets of
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: New York. I mean, it really is hard to recreate
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies, how dark of an atmosphere there was,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: and how pessimistic people were about, you know, America's future.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: It seemed like the rest of the world it caught up.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: America was in decline. It was then. Unemployment was very high,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: inflation was very high, and the future was in Japan. Clearly,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: the future was in Japan, not in America. And I
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: mean this is the time also that really molded Donald
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Trump to logic extent. I mean, he he is known
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties as being anti Japan. That was
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: a big thing about trade. He hated Japan. So this
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: is a and Jimmy Carter really represented this in terms
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: of his meekness and pessimism.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: And Ronald Reagan was a breath of fresh air.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, he he came onto the scene with an
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: optimistic message, with excitement, with we could we're still the
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: dominant and we can be even more dominant. And with
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: all these messages about liberty and freedom and individualism even
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: and the world of government minimized world of government. And
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: it was a it was a real, real change in
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: rhetoric and attitude. And America changed. America really really changed
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: So how did he plan to change America?
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: So he hires a wonder kid, the guy who is
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: thirty five years old, David Stockman. Although he had gray hair,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: he looked older, but he would be his magician when
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: it comes to controlling the budget. Now, when you want
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: to control the budget, there are two things. Either you
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: do your tax cuts first and spending cuts later, in
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: which case you're still gonna have a big deficit, or
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you cut spending first and then you cut taxes if
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: you can afford it. But Riggan says, no, we start
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: by cutting taxes. I promise people we're gonna cut taxes.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Now what do they so they do cut taxes in
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: did but what type of expenses do they want to
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: cut and they say, look.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: We're going to for example, we're going to cut to.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Reduce officials from traveling, and I think they're gonna save
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: money from there. We're going to cancel orders for new
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: office furniture, and this is how we're going to cut
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: the deficits. We're not gonna cut Social Security, we're not
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: going to touch Medicare, and we're going to have more
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: military expenses. This is the equivalent of how to put
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: picture Kim Kardashian saying, I'm going to buy three new
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: private jets, but I'm going to control my expenses because
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I will unplug my TV when I don't watch TV,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: and this is how I'm going to cut expenses. So
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: obviously it was it would never happen. So Stockman, who
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: is his economy mastermind, let's say clearly, soon realizes this
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: is going to shoot the deficit out of out of
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: any proportion.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: So he manages to cut to tag sorry to cut taxes.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: He does not manage to cut expenses because he does
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: not touch what is fifty percent of federal expenses with
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: his Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the military expenses. But
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: this is your field so I'll leave this to you.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he cuts taxes. He also increases taxes,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: so you know they later and he simplifies the tax code,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: which is is I think the real contribution he makes
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: is tax simplification, which immediately gets undone by George Bussenia
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: and then every administration since and today the tax system
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: is more complex than before Reagan, but he simplifies in
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty sixty, simplifies as the tax code, which has
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I think long term, huge positive consequences in the United States.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: In eighty one, he comes in and they do a
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: tax cut.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: They cut the big marginal tax rates, but as you said,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: they don't really cut spending. The kind of spending they
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: land up cutting, and part of it is very small,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: and part of it is he has to cut a
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: deal with the Democrats. The Democrats, remember, control the House
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: and the Senate. And we have to remember this is
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: a period in which the Democrats are controlling the House
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: and Senate. They've controlled the House and Center for a
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: long time. It's only in the nineteen nineties Republicans come
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: back uh In in in and uh into control of
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: those They say, he has to kind of deal with
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: him and this happened in California as well. Even if
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: he wanted to cut more, the Democrats wouldn't have allowed him. So,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: you know, there was negotiation said, in order to get
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: his tax cuts, he had to give up some of
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the uh, you know, spending cuts. Uh. And at the
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: time he believed, you know, he was following Art Laughers ideas,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: and he believed that tax cuts were more important than
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: spending cuts. I think it's a huge political and uh
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: and economic error. But but this is what they did.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: They they cut taxes. He also, you know, there he
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: had he was lucky in a sense that he came
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: in with Paul Voka as Chairman of the Fed. Paul
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Voka had actually been appointed by Jimmy Catter. Jimmy Cutter
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: did in spite of very thing I said about Jimmy Carter,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Cotter did amazing things for the economy. Jimmy Cotter
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: was one of the best presidents of the twentieth century.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: When it came to the economy, he did quietly, and
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: it was a lot a law was done by Democrats
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: in that house, in the Senate, but they deregulated all
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: the big deregulation that you know of happened under Jimmy Carter,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: not under Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan completed a lot of
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: it and added to it, but a big chunk of
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: it was done under Jimmy Carter. And one of the
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: things Jimmy Cotter did, which was good was the appointed
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Pope Voca. So pop Voca both drove the US into
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: recession right in the first two years of Ronald Reagan's presidency,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: but also because of that that recession was necessary to
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: drive the junk out, if you will, to cleanse the
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: system and starting I forget the date, but July nineteen
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: eighty two, I think it was. It was sometime in
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: the summer of nineteen eighty two. The US economy just
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: turns around, and it just goes straight up, and interest
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: rates peak at some ridiculous number, and then they start
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: going down. If you had bought bond, if you both
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: bonds in nineteen eighty two, you did very very well
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: in the decade that follow it. If you bought the
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: stock market, stock pocket bottoms, maybe that's July eighty two. Anyway,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Sometimes in mid eighty two, the stock market bottoms, and
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: oh my god, there's the s and p and pretty
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: much every En Dow and everything go on a tear
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: really really until today, with a few bumps, but really
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: until today.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: And so Readian does not understand all these things.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: So he's trying to have lances with Vulgar to tell him.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: And he respects the institutional independence, but he's trying to.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Tell him, what do we do? Can we lower the endnet?
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: And well, actually, first time I think they met, Reagan
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: asks him seriously because he was a guy who wanted
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: to learn why exactly is that a federal Is there
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: a federal reserve? And Volcans dropped, but then start explaining
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: to keep so Reagan in the first meetings, like do
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: we really need you guys?
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Well, he was right. I mean, you know, I guess
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: you med some mi Invan and figured that you don't
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: need a Federals. But he you know, in the world
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: in which he inhabited, yes, the Federals was there an
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: important entity. But yeah, so Reagan he doesn't really understand economics,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: but he has people around him that a lot of
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: the people around him a free marketing. A free market people,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: they do understand economics. They're trying to deregulate. They would
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: like to cut spending but can't. And the tax cuts
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty one a good beginning, but you know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: the tax system is still super complex, and the people
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: around him understand. The word really needs to happen is
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: tax simplification, which he does in nineteen eighty six. You know,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: the only two tax rates after nineteen eighty six tax
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: got fifteen twenty eight percent, So which is a revolution.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: You don't have these multiple today. I don't know how
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: many tax rates they are. And then there's all kinds
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: of other ways in which they come and grab your money.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: And then he kind of has a sense and the
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: people around him ever since, we need to do something
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: about social security. So they put a commission together for
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: social security and they appoint us the head of the
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: commission of all people, our good friend Alan green Span.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: And thank god, I guess that ironmand was already dead
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: when this happened, because you know, Alan green Span, you know,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: here was his opportunity. He's the head of the Commission
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: to reform Social Security. He can advise anything. It's not
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: even nobody's even committed to doing what he's going to advise.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: He could have a minority opinion and a majority opinion.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: He could mention privatization, he could mention doing away with
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: it completely, but no. In classic Alan Greenspan postline ran fashion.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: The proposal that.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: The Committee adopts and that Ronald Reagan supports is what
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: we're going to do is increase taxes where to increase
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: the payroll tax and we're going to slightly increase the
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: incentive to keep working beyond sixty five. And that's our proposal,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: and Ronald Reagan embraces that. And in the payroll taxes,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: the payroll taxes you pay today are the consequence of that.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: And he was a real opportunity. Somebody wanted to reform
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Social Security and this is the reform they got, which
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: is no reform at all. What I mean that when
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: I heard about that about Alan green Span, that was it.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: He was. You know, I have no patience for anybody
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: trying to defend him or trying to articulate some kind
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: of story. We all have to do a show on
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Alan green Span someday, but because he is important.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean a couple of weeks ago, three
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: weeks ago, yep.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Uh so so yeah so so so this is what
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: so Reagan most economic policy is a big mixture. But
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: the recession ended and inflation ends because of Vocal, not
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: because of Green, not because of him. Government spending as
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: a percentage of GDP, it doesn't grow. It doesn't grow
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: under his tomb, so we'll give him credit for that.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: DBP grows though, because GDP.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Is growing, so goverment spending in dollar terms grows. But
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: when he leaves office it's lower than when he enters
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: by about a percentage points. It goes to twenty one
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: point six to twenty point five in terms of spending.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Taxes receipts go from about nineteen percent of GDP to
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: about eighteen percent of GDP. You know, that's a range
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: in which taxes, you know, usually gravitate towards. So the
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: deficit is still quite large, and the GDP is actually
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: about the same as when he starts it ends, although
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: in the middle it's much higher because tack receeeds first
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: collapse and then come back, partially because of supply side reasons.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Supply side is the idea that.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: If you cut taxes, people actually paying more. That's partially true,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: but the more taxes really would generate that was the simplification,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: and the GDP going up.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: The fact that people are making more money.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: So they actually paid more taxes, which is what supply
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: site says.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: And one more area where we need to check his
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: legacy is a free trade because he talks the talk. Yeah,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: but he does many of the things that Trump does.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: So he controls tariffs. But the enemy is not the China,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: it's Japan. So he's not only rhetorically, so rhetorically he's
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: for free trade.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: He's for fee traed and the people around him support
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: free trade. I mean that's the that's the I think
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: the the idea, the free market idea that dominates his
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: so co.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: But he's so he's very different than Trump.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Trump. Trump's agenda is tariffs. The only thing Trump believes
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: in life is teriffs. And Trump hates trade deficits and
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: and Reagan didn't. But he is pressured by business. Uh,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: he cares about business community and he's pressured by business
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: the auto industry. Remember he bails out Kaisler, so you
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: know he is responsible for bail. He can't resist the
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: tug of altruism, as you described it in his governorship years.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: He can't resist. But it's an American auto company and
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: we're going to go bankrupt. And that's never happened. He
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: can't resist that, so he gives a big loan, a
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: government loan to Koysler to bail them out. And then
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: they lack out on gaining a great CEO lee a
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: coca who who releases the mini van And basically it's
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: the minivan that saves Koysler, and they pay back the
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: loan to the government early because they make so much
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: money on the minivan, so they get lucky. But but
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: he does that, but then the chip industry comes to him,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: you know, Intel comes to him and begs for help.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: And you know, he doesn't It's he doesn't like you know,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: he doesn't like the idea of tariff.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: So he goes to Japanese and says, how about you,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: you know, just agree to export fewer chips to the
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: United States. We're not gonna put a And he did
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: the same with the auto industry, goes to the Japanese.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Our industry says, I get it, I'm free trade and everything,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: but you seem to be dumping. You seem to be
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: selling below cars, So how about you just self fewer cars.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: So he's he's pulled. There's no powar Trump, right, Trump
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: is all in on Taiff's and anti trade with Reagan.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: It's more than he can resist the pull of industry,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: and he doesn't have the economic backbone to stand up
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: against them. So he develops these other mechanisms by which
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: to get to get the Japanese to self fewer cars
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: in the US and to get them to sell fewer
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: micro processes in the United States.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: So, if this is all with his economics, there are
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: two areas we need to address. The elephant in the
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: room his relationship to religious The other thing foreign policy.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: He's known as the guy who ended the Cold War.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: We'll see if this is true. Do which are we take.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Care Let's take let's check from policy first and then.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: We can we can we can deal with with the
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: religious issue after that.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, So when he comes to power, what happens the
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: big things that happen in the world is in the
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: day of his inauguration, the hostages from Iran are released.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: This has nothing to do with Regan, with just a coincidence.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: This is this was Carter's negotiations.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: One here in his presidency, the Soviet Union is tightening
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: its grip around Poland and imposes martial law in Poland.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: This is the time where Poland is run by Sorry,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: where Poland is there is the Solidarity movement and the
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: local Communist rulers were puppets of Moscow. They put in
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: front a military man, Ja Ruzelski, and he imposes martial law.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Reagan is so adamant with that he wants to impose
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the full economic embargo to Soviet Union. He's even considering
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: closing the embassy, but he's talked out of it.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: And at the end he did what he does best.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: He gave a speech.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: So he sent a strong message via speech, and two
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: years later he gives also the Evil Empire speech, where
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: he has this very unique line that we are dealing
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: with an empire. But then ever so first we're going
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: to talk about Soviet Union, and then we're as we're
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: going to talk about Arab terrodism and all that stuff.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: But in nineteen eighty five there's a big development in
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Soviet Union. So in ninety eighty two Brasnif dies. Then
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: in the next two years there are two very old
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: and the people who to leaders who are too old
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: to actually have any effect. But in ninety eighty five,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: a relatively young guy, a new guy called Mikhailgurbatzev comes
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: to power and Reagan is intrigued.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: He thinks he can't talk to this guy. So with Reagan,
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: you have this I wouldn't say contradiction, but this is
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: the echotomy.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: On the one hand, he's convinced that communism is the
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: ultimate evil, the ultimate evil in the world. He used
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: it in apocalyptic religious moral in every possible way. But
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: also he's very scared with the idea of a nuclear war,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: and this has a religious background. He thinks that there's
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: something into the prophecy of armageddon and he.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Wants to avoid the apocalypse.
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: The apocalypse.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: We can talk later about Reagan the mystic and particularly
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: his wife. They had an astrologer who had the say
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: on everything, including what day and what time he is
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: to meet with foreign leaders. Anyway, so he meets Gorbatzev
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty five, first in Geneva. It's very awkward
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: in the beginning, but again Rigor has all this aura.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: He's in his when it comes about in the personal lessonship,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: he's in his element. Surprisingly, he realizes we have some
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: space of communication with this guy, and this guy is different.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: That's the first and most important thing. This guy is different.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: And of course it's not just Vegan's idea, his secret services.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: He is saying, this guy is not like all the others.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: This guy a is a true believer in a way
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: that he thinks that socialist needs to be better than this.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: But also he's someone who cares.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: About the things that socialism supposedly cares about, progress, people
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: living free and all that. So he takes the story seriously.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: So the meet in Geneva, nothing happens, but it breaks
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: the ice. In nineteen eighty six, the meeting Reykavik.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: In Finland, no Iceland, Iceland.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Iceland, Iceland. Yes, that meeting was so important that there's
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: a film coming out with JK. Seimons and sees the
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: meeting where Reagan puts on the table zero nukes. We
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: throw all our nukes in the like in Superman three
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: they throw them to the space. No nuke anymore on
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: planet Earth. And it is on the table, and for
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: a moment there's a good possibility that Gorbacev is going
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: to agree. But Gorbacevs is in one condition. You get
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: rid of Star Wars, do you want to tell people
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: what Star Wars is?
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Star Wars was an anti missile defense idea. It probably
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: too early, but the idea was to use lasers from
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: space to knock out intercontinental ballistic missiles as they as
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: they you know, are in space or in above the
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: atmosphere before they re enter.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: To shoot them down with lasers.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: It's probably a technology that is possible today, probably not
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: possible four years ago, but it was something that Wigan
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: had initiated, and it was the right idea. The idea
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: was use technology to make it impossible for anybody to
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: launch against the United States, for any missile to reach
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: the United States. It's the ultimate, you know, defense system
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: against ballistic missiles.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: So here's a weird thing with Reagan.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: On the one hand, he says, I don't understand what
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: is this mutualist assured distraction. I don't want to rely
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: on the Soviets or maybe other crazy to NUCMI, because
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: before Reagan, with Nixon and Bresniev, the deal was, look,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: you can destroy us, we can destroy you.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: So we will agree, not that we will not develop
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: more attacking weapons.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: We will agree we won't develop defensive weapons, so that
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: we are on your mercy and you are all that.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: Reagan does not accept that, but at the same.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Time, he tells Gorba Sef, Look, I promise to you,
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  Speaker 1: when we develop this, we're.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: Gonna give you the technology.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: You will also be able to take down our missions
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: because I'm not afraid of you. But what if a
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: crazy new Hitler guy appears. We both need to have
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: defense against nukes. Gorbatzev is not does not accept it,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: and seemingly the meeting in Reykevic is fiasco. They don't agree.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: At the end they are it's like a couple that
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: they had the fight. It's your fault. No, it's your fault.
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  Speaker 1: But the important thing, big picture is first time on
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  Speaker 1: the table, we both get rid of our nukes. By
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: the way, Fatcher is, the Europeans are freaking out. What
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: on earth are you doing without the nukes? We are
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: the mercy of the Red Army storming all of Western Europe.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: Reagan is, I know what I'm doing.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: In between early I think nineteen eighty seven, he gives
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: his infamous mister Gorbatzev tear down that.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Wall, great speech.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: And yet in Berlin, and yet so many people are scared.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is gonna piece go. But so
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: and yet at the end of the year, at the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: end of ninete eighty seven, Gorbatzev travels to Washington and
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: they signed a treaty where to put simply, they ban
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: the intermediate range nuclear forces, so that our audience understands,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: without making complicated, there are four ways to throw a
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: nuke from an airplane like in Japan, from a submarine,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: through intercontinental ballistic missiles, or through smaller range missiles. Europe
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: was full of these smaller range missiles. So they agree,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get rid of this. And again somewhere at
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: the end of the road, maybe one day we're going
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: to we're going to get rid of all the possible missiles.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: So this was the most important treaty.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: And here YOURNA want your commentary because someone will say, oh,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: this was a you know you sanction the enemy. I
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: had this discussion with Harry Binswagen. He claimed you should
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: have zero discussions with the enemy. But if Reagan thought
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: and the Secret Service that there's an opening here, didn't
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: he do well that he had this attack of friendship
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: towards Gorbachev.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, given what happens later, you know, I mean
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: it was unnecessary, it was I mean, the Soviet Union
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: was dead right, it was just a question now of
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: when it was going to officially die. I don't think
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: it died from an excess of love coming from the
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: United States. I think it died because of internal reasons
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: that had to do with the Soviet And we could
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: talk about why the USSS fell. And while I think
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Reagan had some causal impact on it, I don't think
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: it was the major causal impact. The major causal impact
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: was internal. Much better to sign the deal like that
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: with the Eltson and he probably would have got even
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: better terms.
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  Speaker 3: Then than you got with Goov.
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  Speaker 2: So no, I think I think if if the United
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: States had taken the attitude particularly earlier, right, I mean
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: the US remember bailed the USSR in the seventies with
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: green shipments and uh what was it Christinger's was the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: term used detant, you know, the whole I mean, that
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: was a huge mistake. I don't know that the Nukar
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: deal in in eighty six added much to the world
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: and made the world the safer place given where the
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: us S I was headed. And I think if it's
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: it's been tougher, you know, I don't think anything would
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: have changed. Maybe I don't think it would have happened faster,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: but I don't think it would have had it slower.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, that's I'm not sure I agree. But so the
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: biggest factor here is good.
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  Speaker 1: But the Ques said his Woodgod, but has this space
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: to dismantle the empire if he didn't think that he
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: has someone he can trust in the White House.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: But I don't think. I don't think that was a
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's an interesting question. You have to really
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: dig deep into Chev's thinking, but I don't think at
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, the dismantling of the Empire
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: had to do with his good relationship with people in
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: the White House. And of course by then, by then
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Reagan was not there, and and it was Bush. And
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: now Bush was even more of a compromiser in that sense,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: and Reagan was. But yeah, we were not on the
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: verge of was not going to launch a nuclear war
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: against the United States.
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  Speaker 3: That was not a fear.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: So the question is would he have delayed breaking up
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: the empire without that agreement in place. I don't see it.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: I don't see it.
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  Speaker 1: And remember the dismantling starts before Bard. But it was
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: a big surprise to the world that the Red Army
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: did not storm Poland in ninety eighty one. Yeah, as
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: it did storm war So in ninety sixty seven. This
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: was during Bresniev, so already from Bresniev the.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: Week they might Yeah, they're much weaker than people assume.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: I do think it's important to know, you know, and
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: this is you know, the Reagan's speeches have a real impact.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: And you know, the bully pulpit that the the talking
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: and marvel terms as the leader of the free world
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: as an American president is huge. This is again one
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: of the evils of Donald Trump, of being such a
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: just horrible person and then you know, not really believing
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: in freedom and not being able to articulate even superficially.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: But Reagan actually gave these speeches and they inspired. They
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: inspired the Poles, they inspired the Checks, they inspired the
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: East Germans. So when they ultimately tore down the wall,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: there had been a build up towards that over the
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: previous decade, which started in Poland and then sped through
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Eastern Europe, and I think Reagan was inspiring to them.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: So when Reagan says take down this wall, that video
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: clip in a sense went vible in Eastern Europe.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Right, I'll tell you something about this, because when you
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: hear the phrase so many times, it becomes a ki set. Today,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: for the first time I actually watched the video. I
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: heard this phrase a million times. I thought, or whatever
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: I was, I was stuck by emotion. It's it's I
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: don't know, it's his voice, it's the whole behind him.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: He has the wall is right there.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the wall is literally there, and he has a
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: bulletproof glass because he's within range of snipers of his
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: German So the gravita. Sometimes it's difficult for us to
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: understand the gravitas within that contract.
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  Speaker 2: His voice, his speeches, you know, his rhetoric had a
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: massive impact on America in the sense that both his
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: domestic and phone policy, you know, in a sense of
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: optimism and positive and success and achievements and pro capitalism
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: in his speeches, not in his actions, and they had
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: a profound impact on phone policy. I think his speeches
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: inspired Eastern Europeans ultimately to rise up against the Soviets
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: in ways that I think haven't been fully document Now
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: remember Eastern Europe a lot of things. That's another interesting
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: topic for us to talk about, is kind of what
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: was going on in Eastern Europe in the eighties. They
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: were reading inand they were reading Hayek, they were reading Mesas,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: they were reading Freedman Illegal. I mean, I had the
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: former president, the first president of Albania, the first after
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: the fall, right after Albania achieved independence and became throughout
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: the Communists, the former president of Albania come up to me,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: shake my hand and say Ironman inspired me.
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  Speaker 3: She was the inspiration for what we did.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, we were all reading Ironrand. I mean not only Iran,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: but we were all reading Iran in Albania in the
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighties and then inspired them to revolution in the
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: nineties and for independence and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So no offense to my Albanian friends. That's the craziest thing.
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  Speaker 1: I will never expect that I would hear that. That's
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: so crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, the first president talking.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: About the most isolated Yes, Rasim, Yes, he pictured in
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: North Korea.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: That's what it was then. And they were brutal. And yeah,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: they were in secret reading Ironland. And we know this
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: is true of Eastern Europe, throughout Eastern Europe. Irand and
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: and again not just time Man and Mesas and and
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: and Freedmen and a bunch of.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: Others watching tach Norwich movies don't.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: And listening and listening to the you know, to the
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Beatles and then later on to to to the sex Pistols.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: You know. So so.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: All this had an impact.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: And and and and seeing jeans jeans I mean, so anyway,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: that's a different show we should do on Eastern Europe
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: because it's a I think it would be a fascinating
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: show about the all of jeans and drop in in
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: the fall of the building wall. But so I think
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: the important point here visa viewagen is is rhetoric made
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: a difference. It made a difference in the world, you know,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: in the way people approached the world. They made a
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: difference in the United States and made a difference.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: Let's make this concrete with one very short story.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: When the martial law is applied to Poland, the Polis ambassador.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: Resigns whatever.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: The first place they go with his wife is the
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: White House, and the wife cries in the shoulder of Reagan.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Whence he hears his speech. He gave his Christmas speech
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: about Poland. Picture today Iranian Iranian dissidents going to the
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: White House and crying on Donald Trump. You'll probably include
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: them in a deal and send them back. I think
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: Ben posted something like that the other day. I found
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: it absolutely, absolutely, absolutely crazy.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: And Valencia years afterwards said that they were inspired. You know,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: just the people in Poland were inspired by by Wagan
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: at the time. It kept them going so maoo. You know,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: standing up the opposite of sanction, right or exactly, Sanctioning
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: the good is hugely powerful, even if you don't do
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: anything else but sanction the good. Tell them that they
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: are good, remind them that they are good, and tell
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: them they have your Maul support. That is huge and
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: that is elevant for for you on today. But let's
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: let's do the Middle East because we're way behind.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it was a song.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah we're gonna skip Latin America people who they can
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: ask about Nicarao and all that. Yuh So, Riga was
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: very harsh to Israel, which is most people would not
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: have like this. In his mind, he had sought out
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: matches with begin who was back then the Prime minister.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: The biggest con so Israel.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: Reagan is very angry when Israel bombs the nuclear facilities
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: in Iraq. Crazy, but it becomes even worse in nineteen
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: eighty two when Israel invades invades Lebanon. So this was
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: one of the worst crisis between Israel and the United States.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: By the way, for the brain that did out there,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: who post when has the president ever said no to Israel?
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: Reagan did this in.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Multiple locations, in multiple in multiple locations. And the big yeah, good,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: The big picture in the Middle East is in Lebanon
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: we have the beginnings of what letter became Hesbola.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: So in nineteen eighty three you have two tragedies.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: In April you have the bomb attack in the embassy
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: which kills tens of Americans and many other bystanders. And
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: in October, of course, you have the worst terrorist attack,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: which is a suicide bomber going to the Marine barracks
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: and killing some I think two hundred something Americans and
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: many friends. And a few months and during that time,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: the Libanese get some twenty five Americans kidnap here and there.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: And this is the most controversial part perhaps of Rigam's presidency.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: He's trying to find back channels to release these hostages,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: and he's doing it by under the table, through businessmen,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: through say the figures, giving money to the Iranians so
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: that the Iranians would give them this money to the
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Libanese to release the hostages.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: Some of the hostages were dead from torture.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Generly Banese would release one hostage, but then say, Okay,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: we're gonna kidnap more Americans because this works. The American
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: has given us weapons, are giving us money to make
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: the situation even crazier. Some of that money through we
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: ran through these back channels are going to Latin America
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: because Vegan wants to support anti communist guerillas, but he
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: cannot do it officially because he has to go through Congress.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: So this is moral a bomb Foriento staff, abomination for
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: end to staff. So he this is the biggest stain
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: in his in his legacy, in my viewing foreign policy,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: how he how he dealt with the hostage situation, and
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: how he never truly understood the Middle East.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: With Soviet Union, it was easy.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Reagan was a man of simple ideas, the Soviet Union
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: has to lose, we have to win. With the Middle East,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: with the complications there, it it was not this simple
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: thing that he could grasp. And I think his legac
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: in the Middle East is at best mixed.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: So ultimately, I think, you know the two worst things
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: he did, and they're both related. Was in nineteen eighty
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: two is always about to invade West Bay Route and
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: where the PLO, Yes, Offert was there. He had about
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: six thousand or more PLO fighters with him. They were
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: in tunnels underneath all these buildings that you see, the
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: bunkers and all the tunnels. They were there in nineteen
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: eighty three. They're not new, they've just dug them deeper
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: and added to them. But they were always there. The
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: ISBELA was just taking over what the PLO built back then,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: and it's always ready to go in.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: I know because I was I was planning. I was
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: part of the team that was planning.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Planning that I had to try to figure out where
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: the tunnels were or and and and try to try
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: to you know, put that in maps and everything.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: And this is going to be the next phase.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: And yeah, the goal was to kill Yester offered, Uh,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: and killing us effort would have changed the dynamics of
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: the Israeli Palestinian conflict quite dramatically. Uh.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: Again, we can get into that at another time.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Jannald Reagan basically said no, you cannot do that, and
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: then he cut a deal, and he got a deal
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: allowing us.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: What's that he got a deal with the PLO, with
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: the PLO with the.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: Lebanese and forced the Israelis to accept it.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: Whereas Yes Effort would be allowed to leave Lebanon with
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: all of his fighters on boats provided by ships provided
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: by the United Nations and sail to ultimately to Tunisia,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: where he set up his his new headquarters. He United
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: States would also send Marines in to serve as a
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: peacekeeping force as part of this deal. Right that ultimately
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: led to two hundred and forty one Americans to twenty
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: Marines to forty one Americans dying.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: When Chrisbela blew it up.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: Risbela really at the time was just an arm of
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: Iranian Intelligence or ILGC and forced basically forced Israel to
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: accept our fat staying alive. And literally there's a photo
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: as our phat is leaving of an Israeli sniper with
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: our phat in the crosshair and he's not allowed to.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: Pull the trigger.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Now again, my view is would have changed the dynamics
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: of the Middle East completely, certainly of the Israeli Palestinian conflict.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: If our fight is killed then but he's not, and
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of bad things happen. As a consequence, a
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: whole series of bad things happened later on. Then the
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: second thing, of course, happens in nineteen eighty three, again
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: in Bay Roots, when these these marines are killed, you know,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: Reagan comes on television and gives one of his powerful
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: we're going to get them. You know, we will not
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: you know, we won't sleep until every one of the
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: people responsible for this is killed or whatever. And then
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: they lob I don't know, three missiles into the Bacca
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: Valley where Isabela has a base, fall away from Bay Roots,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: and basically the US six fleet, which is right there
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: ready to you know, go into Lebanon and really leaves,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: and the US just tail between its legs and it
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: leaves and being laden years later, were right that this
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: is one of the examples for why America is a
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: paper tiger, why we have a chance of beating them,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: why we should attack them on nine to eleven.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: This is one of, not the only one, but one of.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: The major motivations that you users to on how how
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: weak America is. So you could think about that decision
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: by Reagan as inspiring being laden during the decade, And
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: of course I'll just add since I mentioned being Laden,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: it is Ronald Reagan's c I A that that arms
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: being Lauden to fight the UH, the Soviets in Afghanistan
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: UH and arms the the future enemies of the United States,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: the Taliban and and a Kaida and all of these
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: UH radical Islamist groups in Afghanistan. It's it's Reagan's CIA
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  Speaker 2: that does that. So in terms of Islam, You're absolutely right.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: He completely doesn't get it, doesn't understand Iran, doesn't understand
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  Speaker 2: being Laden, doesn't understand Labanon, and and surprisingly doesn't understand
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: American weakness and the impact that has for decades to
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  Speaker 2: this day. I think we're still uh you know uh
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  Speaker 2: so and so.
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  Speaker 1: That people understand how history just rhymes and repeats itself.
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  Speaker 1: There is we know all this very clear from the records.
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  Speaker 1: We have all the records from the situation rule. At
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: some point they tell him we haven't we can kill
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  Speaker 1: one of the leaders of the ch in Lebanon Sala.
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  Speaker 4: We pulled the trigger.
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  Speaker 1: And then someone says, but other that is there going
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: to be and bystanders, and they say maybe or something
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: like that, abort aboard the mission.
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  Speaker 4: And this happens in the eighties.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, and this is the early leaders of Risbelle. I
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: imagine going after them early on what potential impact that
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: would have.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: On on on the development of Prisbella And and it's
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: and it's quoth.
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  Speaker 1: So we've left many many things we haven't mentioned, the
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: assassination attack, the religion things, sala we mentioned it.
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  Speaker 4: So we go to the questions and expect that someone's
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: going to bring it up.
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  Speaker 2: Why doeses somebody ask in the Q and a y
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: I man was so adamantly opposed to Reagan, and what
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: we about that right? And what we think about It's.
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  Speaker 4: Gonna be interesting because we might disagree here with you.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: So somebody asked that in the super chat.
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  Speaker 2: Uh so that we uh you know, and and put
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: it in like a twenty one hundred or five hundred
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: dollars question. Yeah, and he's got he's got he's got facts,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: he's got facts.
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  Speaker 3: To my opinions.
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  Speaker 2: So so uh uh you know, uh yeah, you might,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: you might there might be a little bit of disagreement here,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: but uh so, so somebody somebody come in with a
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: question on that. I can't do an overall evaluation without
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: that because I I still hold that and I agree
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: with Iran that that you know, Reagan legitimized the evangelical
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: movement or the Mall majority or whatever you want to
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: call it, kind of an activist evangelical political movement. He
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: legitimized that as a part of their be Can Party
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  Speaker 2: in a way that no other president had done. And
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: you know, that had profound impacts on what happened later
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: and and and and that to me has had such
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: a negative impact on the Republican Party that it's it's
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: hard to be positive about Vegan. And then we also
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: ended on the fund policy stuff, which which was very negative.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: So there's and then he didn't do that much economically.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of negatives, but it and there's no
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: question America changed because of him.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: America change because of him.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: And again it's it's we have to keep in mind
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: the context of where where America was before, for how
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: long the GOP at least paid lip service to the
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: principles of Rigan or to these very simple principles that
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: he carried and he understood. And also where American conservative
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: Republican is today, that this legacy has been has been
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: swept off.
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  Speaker 4: So this is why I think that still to a
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: he's not overhyped.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: He's someone who his a moral message and his intellect
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: ideological message is some for freedom, I mean, and his
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: defense of freedom is.
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  Speaker 4: Something that we that we need.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: So my overall overall score has a plus beside it,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: and I have some defense for the religion stuff. But
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: we've been going on for one and a half hours,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: so let's go to the reminders.
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  Speaker 2: Overall negative slight negative. Even though I accept everything you
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: said about the positives, because of where we are today,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you can you can now maybe we
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  Speaker 2: will have got here anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they were publican party.
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  Speaker 4: That's my point.
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  Speaker 1: I have evidence that the Republicans were going towards the
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: religion anyway, and if anything Reagan, maybe even slowly down,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: maybe we will get.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe, but it's it's that's a hard one. And but
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: but yeah, and and oh all right, what are we doing?
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  Speaker 4: So both a song review?
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: All right, so we have a song review.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a simple minds. I don't know if
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: Charlsbot is here, but simple minds, don't you? And U
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  Speaker 2: Nico said, oh, you hear it, You'll immediately recognize this song,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: and I did, but not really because I haven't heard it.
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  Speaker 3: That many times, so it's not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little I was a little out of
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: it in the nineteen eighties when it comes to popular music,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's a it's a popular song. It
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: made it to the top of the what do you
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: call it? The billboard. It was the most popular song
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: of that year. It was associated with this very very
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  Speaker 2: famous movie whose name slips on my mind right now,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: Club Beakfast Club, which was the hip, cool, sophisticated movie
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: of the nineteen eighties. I didn't like it, but you
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: know that, you know, it was not a good movie,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: but that that was the song. I see Enwick loves
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: this song. Kubaba loves this song. He thinks it's a
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: great song. I'm indifferent. It doesn't quite you know, it's
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: not like last week. Why I really didn't like it
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: because it was super repetitive. This is a little bit
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: more to it. It's a little less repetitive.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's you know, it's gonna be hard to
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: please me when it comes to popular music. I don't
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: like popular union. I don't know. I mean to do that.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: I'm Bobby violiny copyright, So I'm gonna shut that down.
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  Speaker 2: That was the beginning of the song. I pressed played somehow.
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  Speaker 2: I just not popular music is going to be hard
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: to find something I like that is made after I
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: don't know, you know, nineteen You know, I'm a Bob
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: Dylan guy. I'm a Summon and golf on code guy.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: I love the Beatles and and Pink Floyd and you know,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: you know, I'll take I'll take nineteen sixties.
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  Speaker 3: Leftist.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: What do you call it? Resistance folk music? You know
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: the Bob Dylan Joan Bayers over any of these guys
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: any day. You know, Bob Dylan, there's real poetry, and
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: there's real music there, there's real sophistication. This is small.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's cute, it's nice, but it's
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: it's it's not quite as sugar it's not quite as
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: sugar beat as last week.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: But obviously Nicos likes the song.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: It's one of the let's say ten songs that whenever
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: it's on radio, I will never skip. I will never
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: change the radio station. I love this song, I continued,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: one of the best eight songs. It has this change.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: This first of all, the message is interesting. It has
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: this sweetness in because actually it's not. It wasn't written
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: as a romantic song. Nortic song you can interpret as
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: a romantic song, but it was not written as a
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: romantic song. It has this these nice lyrics, slow change,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: will will tears up, it's it's it's it's very and
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: it's very eighties. So today we spoke about Reagan, doing
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: all these reasearchs about Reagan, I was very much in
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: a native nostalgia.
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  Speaker 4: So this was the perfect soundtrack today's episodes.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: So I want to say thank you to Sospot, not
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: just for his contributions, his monetary contributions.
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  Speaker 4: It's a song that whenever I listened to it, it
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: sells me up.
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  Speaker 1: And I was just listening it hyping myself just before
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: I connected to zoom with Ron, So once more, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: How old were you in nineteen eighty? When was when
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: the cora if?
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: I was two years old?
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: Two?
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  Speaker 3: And this has an impact on you.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: I've got Internet and read I listen to songs out there.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the only song, Yeah, I mean there
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: are very few songs that. Look, this is not a
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: song I would go back to. So like, I'm not
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: going to seek it out. I don't want to you know,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: and there's very little pop music that I do that too,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: But again, all of it is from the sixties and seventies.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: I can't think of a song in the nineteen eighties
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: that excites me other than you know, Taar Down This
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Wall by Pink Floyd.
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  Speaker 4: But no, that's Regan. You mean the Wall, not tear
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: down the Wall.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. No, you're right, it's not Tay down
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: the Wall.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: It's just the Wall by Pink Floyd. What else is
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: in the eighties? Yeah, Blondie, you know, I never let
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 3: What can I say?
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, there were a few.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: I think there might be something by you two. Maybe
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: there's a song.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Or two.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: Bonzovi. I don't may then.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: Come God help us. Yeah, I mean my co author
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: Don Watkins and I have the exact opposite taste in
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: popular music, so uh it, you know, all the stuff
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: that I really really hate, he loves in terms of
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: heavy metal.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: So it's not a killer not to agree on unpopular music.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: So thanks again, thanks again to so.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and it's it's always good to create
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: some disagreement between me and Nikos, so keep sending them over.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe let's let's have a nineties song just for and
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: maybe a seventies song just so you know. I'm curious
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: to test Nicos out on some seventies music and see
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: how he.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: See Black Sabbath and that's it. What else? See okay
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: and Pink Floyd whatever?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, God, all right, Floyd expand to two decades, so
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't put them as seventies.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, they're definitely seventies. Definitely seventies.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: The best souls were in the eighties when.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: No best the best songs I wish you know from
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: from the Dark Side of the Moon.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: And the best souls, the best soul. Oh yes, speaking
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: of music, when you find he had only in a
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: conference and it's like evening, tell him to tell you
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: the story because now he says he doesn't like it
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: the music. Tell him to tell you the story of
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: Lady in Red. He said it in the conference, so
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: it's public.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: So I'm yeah so so. Funnily enough, I became a
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: huge Christal book fan in the nineteen eighties, so the
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: one on the one popular, I mean, I really became.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: I had all the albums, I listened to all all
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Chrystal books music. And the funny thing was years ago
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: about ten years ago, maybe fifteen years ago, Christo Burg
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: came to Image County, California to do a concert and
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: I was like, I've never seen him live. I was
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: super excited, and so my wife and I was us
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: a fan. We both went to We both went to
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: see Christal Brook at this concert and we parked the
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: carn were starting to walk towards the theater and everybody
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: around us is Iranian Persian. Everybody were like, the only
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: non Iranians. It's like, what is going on here? And
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: we go and the entire auditorium is Iranians, Iranian Americans,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: Ranians who live in the United States. They came down
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: from Los Angeles, and everybody like, We're the only non
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: Iranians pretty much in the whole place. So I asked
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: somebody what's going on, and they said Christa Burgh was
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: huge in Iran. This was the underground music we were
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: listening to and Iran in the nineteen eighties, he was
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: in the early nineties.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: He was the thing.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: He was the guy in Iran.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: So anyway, that's my Christal Bergs story.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: But Lady in Red, I wasn't inferring to that story.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: I was referring to the driving with Boars story because
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: that was a nice story.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: But yes, I've got I've got a lot of I've
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: got lots of stories, so stories. We're not lacking his stories.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: So maybe one day we'll just do a show on
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: your on yourn stories. All right, we've got the landmine story.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: We've got We've got a bunch of stories. So where
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: are we. We are in the super chat super chat sections.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: So let me before we get to super chat, and
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: Jennifer did ask the question we wanted, So we'll start
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: with Jennifer, even though we've got some people who've given
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  Speaker 2: more money, but we'll get to them in a minute.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: But we'll start with Jennifer's question. But before that, I
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  Speaker 2: Thank you guys. Let's start with Jennifer and then we'll
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: go by So Jennifer, sis, so why did iin rand
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  Speaker 2: so oppose Reagan?
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: You answered that, and then I'll give my reply.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, she thought that Reagan really pandered to the
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: religious element within the Republican Party, and that in the
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighties election in.
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  Speaker 3: Particular, brought and.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: Rallied the religionists and brought them in and institutionalized them
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: into the Republican Party.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that was a main opposition.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: Part of that was his opposition in nineteen seventy six
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: already to abortion, and his the contrast between him and Ford,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: where he was anti abortion, of Ford was agnostic or
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: at least didn't make abortion an issue or ignored it,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: where as Reagan made a big.
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  Speaker 3: Issue out of it.
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  Speaker 2: She also thought that the fact that he stood against Ford,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: that he should have just allowed for to run as
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: the presumptive nominee, was was disrespectful of Reagan and wrong.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: And then finally, if you look at her last I mean,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: if you look at her last.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: What do you call it speech?
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: The Sanction of the Victims speech that he gives in
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: New Orleans. One of the first questions that she's asked
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: is about Ronald Reagan, and she gets, you know, really fiery.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, she's she does not like Reagan. She is
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: really really and.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: She basically says, I mean, basically, he gives a good
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: speech and he doesn't act on it, which which he
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: says things, but he's not pro capitalist, he doesn't know
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: what it means, and he doesn't act on it. He
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: doesn't do it.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: He claims to be anti Soviet, but he doesn't act
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: on it.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: So she is very, very.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: Upset by the.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: Contradiction between I think what he's saying and what he's doing.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: And she thinks that is going to diminish the ability
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: to defend capitalism because capitalism will be associated with Reagan,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: that capitalism is now Reagan. And yet Reagan had big deficits,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: and Reagan continued spending on the office state, and Reagan
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: raised taxes and soci security.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: This is after she already had passed away. But she
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: predicted that would.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: Happen in a sense, and that that would be a
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: failing associated with capitalism, and she would rather have somebody
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: like forward Well medium out but who didn't present himself
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: as I'm for capitalism, you know, but and didn't live
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: up to it. But then somebody who said I'm for capitalism,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: I am the epiphany of capitalism, and then didn't live
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: up to it, and she thought that would taint capitalism forever.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: So I think abortion religion, and we can talk more
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: about the bringing in of religion into the party. I
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: think I think what happened once he became president is
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: even more important on what happened before and his being
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: a pro capitalist but not actually living up to it,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: which he predicted.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, so zero disagreement, all the things you said, all
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: the things that are in run mention, All of these
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: things are true, with one asterisk that I think Ronald
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: Regan actually found the evangelicals in the Republican Party.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 4: He didn't bring them in.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: First of all, is it clear to anyone, to everyone
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: in the else, what do we mean by evangelicals.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: It's not a category like Protestant Catholic.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: It's mostly think about it like a subcategory of Protestants,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: and it is based very much on the idea of
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: a personal relation with God, with a personal revelation, so
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: to speak, with the idea of being born again, and
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: with the idea that the Bible this is like the
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: more fundamental is one of the Bible is to be
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: taken seriously.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: Now, and you suppose to evangelize, You're supposed to go
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: out there, so very charismatic preachers, very you know, you're evagilizing,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: you're trying to grow this thing.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want to get public speaking lessons, obviously
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: go to your own, but also check people like James
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: Robinson or Billy Graham, another evangelical.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: They're very talented anyway.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: So already from the late sixties, for example, Reverend Bill Graham,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: which is one of the most famous ones. He was
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: the pastor in Nixon's inaguration. So all this this relationship
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: starts building already from the late sixties. Keep in mind
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: this is the time where many conservative former Democrats from
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: the South, because they're not happy with the civil rights movement,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: already moved to the Republicans, and they bring with them
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: the social conservative and all of these people are more
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: social conservative than whatever Regan.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: Would later be. Obviously you have roversus. Wait, but this
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: is not even the main thing.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: The main thing I don't care that much about abortion
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: in those days, only seventies. Abortion is not a big
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: deal for the evangelicals.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: Which sounds crazy today, but that's how it is. The
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: big thing is that in the late early seventies, both
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: Nixon and Carter, through the IRS the tax authorities go
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: against Christian schools that continue to segregate, and they tell them,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: if you segregate, you are not a charity. Therefore we
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: reveal your charity status. This is what freaks out many
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: evangelicals and they leave Carter behind. Also two more things
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: as a proof, the Heritage Foundation, which was always already
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: from there the flagship of conservatives already from the late
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: ninety seventy six. They have this idea that education needs
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: to become more Christian. They have this maybe today would
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: call conspiracy theory of human is the education that basically
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: they say before it was cool that education makes kids walk,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: and educations need to become Christian.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: All this happens before Reagan appears in the city.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: And final final claim, this is the percentage is here
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: of how evangelicals, how percent the percentage of evangelicals that.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 4: Vote the Republicans.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: Something between seventy and eighty percent of evangelicals vote for Nixon.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: We don't have exact numbers.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: Seventy six someone would say only fifty percent vote for Ford. Yes,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: but this is because Carter is is one of evangelical
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: it is one of them, is one of them.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: So the change between for the Red with Reagan, it's
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: sixty one percent, So it's not such a big change.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: So you could see that compared to later, for example,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: Booth you have eighty one percent, Metromney seven twenty eight percent,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Trump eighty one percent, and you mentioned abortion between ninety
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: eighty ninety eighty four. Every evangelical, the fundamental, the most
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: radical ones are very piece off with Rigor for one
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: reason because his first person, the first person who he
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: puts on the on the Supreme.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 4: Court is what's her name now my mind is Nancy.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: The first woman who sat on the.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: Supreme in my mind is blank.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: Two.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: I can see her face, Sorry, I can see her
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: face now I'm Sinkingcna O'Connor so, Sandra Dey O'Connor, O'Connor
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: so before him Sandra Diogo.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: I had in my mind the actress who plays in
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: notting Hill, which has a similar day, and now I
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: can't remember her next meeting anyway. So before he puts
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: her to the Supreme Court, they have a meeting and
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: try and the Regan asks, what's your your abortion?
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 4: Su as a woman, I don't like it. What's your
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: view on ro versus wait and s implies, look, I'm
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: not going to challenge it.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: And Regan says, okay, I will still nominate you in
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: the course, and the whole of the evangelical community is
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: up in arms.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: So my claim is that between ninety eight and ninety
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: eighty four, all these.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: Evangelicals vote for Reagan despite his abortion take not because
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: of your abortionca And you can see this was a
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: trend that was already there, and it continues after Rigan.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: So all I'm saying is, of course he sanctions them.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: He gave this famous speech you cannot endorse me, but
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: I endorse you. But this is a trend that started
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: before Reagan, and I think Reagan actually delayed it, and
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: particular abortion again, this is an issue that caused him
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of trouble with the evangelical So I would
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: want to cut him a bit more slack in retrospect
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: and knowing the whole trajectory.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, the people
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: A lot of it has to do with the fact
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: that between nineteen eighty and nineteen eighty four, in spite
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: of the ebotion issue, he brought them into his administration
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: in the way that they had never been before. They
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: became active in the administration, they became public figures in
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: the way they had never been before.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: You know, whether it was Farewell, I don't.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: Remember all the names. I remember this, you know, I
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: remember seeing them on television and they were they now
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: were a part of the DC establishment in a way
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: that they had never been before. Again, fifty percent voted
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: for Jimmy Carter. You know, the reason they voted for
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: Nixon is seventy two, sixty eight or seventy two is
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: primarily to do I think, with racial issues. So they
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: were posted civil rights and this was Nixon's Southern strategy.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: Nixon explicitly had a Southern strategy, going to the South
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: and not rejecting civil rights. But you know, I'm not
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: the guy who passed it, so you know, and they
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: fell for it, you know, so he definitely had the
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: Southern strategy and he got it. They shifted to Jimmy
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: Carter because they were discussed it ultimately with Nixon, partially
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: because of his corruption and everything else. This supposedly had
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: high standards, and they went to Jimmy Carter because he
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: was one of them, and he talked to talk and
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: then he betrayed them with the school issue, and they
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: were probably going to go to the Republican Party anyway.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: But exactly that's exactly.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: But what exactly Reagan did is he embraced them, which
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: he didn't have to do with the Ford wouldn't have done.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know about a bust Senior.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: It's how to tell. I don't know what alternatives would
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: seventy nine. But it's not clear that the others would
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: have been braced them in the way that that that
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: Reagan did. I mean, you know, I endorsed you in
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: the speech. It was more than that, right, It was
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: that he brought them into Washington, he gave them positions,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: and he had the Republican platform rewritten. Let them write
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: it on the social issues. They wrote the platform moving forward,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: so abortion, school, prayer, family, you know, the family opposition
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: of secular liberalism. All of that became part of the
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: Republican platform. It hadn't been before, you know, in in
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: ways that it hadn't been before. So he gave them
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: institutional access. They they they were, They were really there,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: and they never left. They never left Washington, d C.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: They got established in d C, they got connections in
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: d C. They and and they never left. And they've
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: only grown stronger since then. And you know, it's bewildering
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: how they and from supporting Jimmy Carter, the supporting because
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: of his character, I guess, to supporting Donald Trump. But
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: that's that's a different show and the evolution of the
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: of the But you know, Pat Robertson was everywhere and
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: an influential in ways that no evangelical had ever been
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: politically influential before. Again, Jerry Fowell pat Robertson, I forget
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: who the other guy. I mean, I have a just
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: picture of the sleazy guy, you know, hair back right.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: Erry Foulwell is probably.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: No younger guy anyway, it doesn't matter.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: I know who you mean? Black, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: yeah yeah.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: By the way, it's interesting if some of our friends
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: want to dive deeper into this rabbit hole, go and
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: find what Folwell and the other people. What do they
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: say about Reagan in retrospect? They are not happy with him.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: They consider that he betrayed them. They considered. So that's
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: why I'm saying that there's a different reading of this. Yes,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: but I think I think.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: It's the institutionalization of them. It's the it's the it's
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: the legitimizations of them in Washington, d C. And the
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: Center power and and giving them that access and giving
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: them that credibility. That is what he did that I'm
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: not sure. I'm not sure other Republicans would have done.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: Gold did not do this right now.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: Explicitly, although he was very socially concervative, he did.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: Not do that. And Nixon didn't do it, and four
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: didn't do it, and reaganed it and and and maybe
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: it was time and maybe it would have happened no
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: matter what. But but uh no, it wasn't Jim Baker
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: cut you know, I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm Jim Baker.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: Not Jim Baker was an establishment guy. The establishment guy.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: He wasn't.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: I can't remember Temmy Temmy Faye. I remember Temmy Faye
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: with that ridiculous hair. But that was here in the eighties.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: Here generally for women in the eighties was ridiculous. But
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: all right, let's let's jump into super chat. It's getting late, right, Wes,
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Wes, two hundred dollars. Really really appreciate that.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, thank you very much.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: He says, extra money for the Superman reference from Nicos
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: was the Superman reference.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: Don't you remember when Superman was woke and for peace
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: and they threw all the ages woke world piece type
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: and they threw he threw all the nuclear all that.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: That's right into the space. That's right, even though it's
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: Superman four where he throws the nukes into the atmosphere.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: Okay to West, Yes, thank you. I really appreciate that.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: Moulten's splendor for one hundred dollars, Thank you, Moulten, Thank you.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: You both are very intelligent.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: And well read.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: You are superpower of integration is amazing. And Nicos must
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: have a photographic memory if he can instantly recall that
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: Reagan had colon surgery on July thirteenth.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: He had then, and I remember it's because I had
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: on that day, I had my deep dive with my
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: patron by the way, it's a nice community. Everyone should
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: join it. It's we had our deep dive in the
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: day I had to You can't forget that. You can't
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: forget that.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: Impressive, Thanks guys, Multen splendid right, thank you, Moulten splendor
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: really really really.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: By the way, a date influenced by nancis astrology. Always
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: Nancy's astrologist should give the green light on when important
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: things should happen.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: You know we didn't mention.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: We mentioned it before the show. I mentioned it too.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: But Reagan gives a great speech and immigration as basically
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: his final speech, I think formally as president. He gives
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: a great speech and immigration. And just to give you
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: the sense the difference in sense of life between pretty
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: much any Republican today, it doesn't matter who and Roynald Reagan.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: Just listen Reagan speech on immigration. It is so benevolent,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: it is so positive. You know, I'm willing to forgive him,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: particularly given what we have today, for a lot of
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: the bad stuff he did, just for that speech, because
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: it was so amazing.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: And let me suggest also one speech.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: I came across it first time and it took me
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: half an hour to pull myself together emotional the speech
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: he gives after the challenge, they're disaster. Yeah, it becomes
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: it's as if it's an interstellar monologue. I tweeted about
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: it the other day, but go found the actual talk.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: It's like ten minutes, absolutely brilliant. He had the speechwriter
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: for that.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: He had a speechwriter for a look for most of
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: the stuff. But you choose the speech writer, and you
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: edit the speech writer, and you.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: Choose what to use and what not to use.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: So I forget who the speechwriters were, but they were
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: well known. They became later on well known people in
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: the Republican Party.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: And some of them women, which was not used back then.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what's her name? Who writes for the Walls Journal?
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: Now regularly we did.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: I couldn't remember. Sandra Day O'Connor. I won't remember.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so she writes a weekly column for the Wall
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: Street Journal even today. So she was one of his
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: speech writers.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: And she's a good writer.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: I don't agree with a lot what she says, which
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: is a good writer. West says go into more detail
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: and the mysticism in the Wagan administration.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, so Reagan was He loved Nancy a lot. They're
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: one of the most interesting. I wouldn't say power couples.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: That's not nice. Interesting couples in political history. So a
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: few months, a few weeks actually in his presidency, there's
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: a terrorist attack against Reagan by a crazy guy who.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 4: Wants to impress Jane Fonta.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: After that, Nancy becomes absolutely freaked out and sees, see
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: what is a lot about Regan. So part of that
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: desperation that this is going to happen again, she starts
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: trying to find way to protect him. And one of
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: the ways to find to protect him is through the astrology.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: So and this became also well known back then, so
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: it became a liability for the administration. But because Reagan
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: loved her a lot and he understood that it was concerned,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: he let her.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: He let her go with it.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: So she was the more mystical one, let's say, rather
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: than Rigan was religious. But in actually his views on
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: sex and religion way more progressive than the average republic
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: the average conservative back then. He said, you could have
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: sex with more than one person, and actually you could
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: marry more than once, and it's not it's not against he.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: Actually he was the governor when in California passed the
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: Norfolk divorce bill in California, so which conservatives today want
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: to fight against. So conservatives today won a we in state,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: you know, difficult, making it very very hard to get divorced, of.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Course, because divorce is way more prominent in the Bible
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: than abortion. So I'm surprised they haven't already gone down
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: that path. Probably they haven't because many of them are divorced.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: So well, there's a conflict even in early Christiannyboy divorce.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: But we you know, that's for another another time. I
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: think let's see where did they want to go. Hopefully
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: Wes had answered your question, Christian asked, He's not here
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: on the show now, but he listen. Later he says,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: I think I think Reagan was very wrong on three topics,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: abortion rights, radical Islam. He saw the Afghan with jadinas
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: an ally. He also sold weapons the Islamic Republic of
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: View on yes and three bringing religion into the politics
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: of the GP.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 4: We covered all three just again to cut him a
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 4: bit slack.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: Back then in nineteen eighty one, we don't know about
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: Rada cal Islam what we know today. You have to
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: be very much immersed and and to have a big
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: picture to understand these things.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 4: Reagan was in many ways.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: A simple tone. He had a very simple worldview. The
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: main villain is Soviet Union.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: We win, they lose.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: This is his big geopolitical prison, through which he've used
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: the word what did what did?
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: Do you know anything about his relationship with China? I
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: don't remember anything.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: This is a this is a very quiet time with China.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: Not much is happening in China.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: Then, so then doesn't come to Washington. There's no I
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: don't think he Reagan doesn't go to Beijing. Don't think he.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: Goes to Basis. He gives a talk, he gives a
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: talk in Moscow.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: Under Lenin Sting, under Lenning Sportra, and he's not afraid
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: to talk about freedom and all that stuff. But our
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: friend should know that we've covered all of these things.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: So the first big superchat was about religion. Go find
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: that part where we talk about after the Soviet Union, which.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: The whole show, and you'll hear all that. So, yeah,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: all that all right, because I would love to hear
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: what you thought about the Odyssey. I'm seeing it on
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: Monday now. Is about spoilers, Well.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: The spoilers it's out there for three thousand yet so
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: first of all, Marilyn one more thing. Marilyn kept asking
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: in various other occasions she found off putting that Wigan
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: use the term I happened to believe, and she found
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: something non free willing that. Keep in mind Reagan would
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: use the same phrases or if he heard the phrase.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: So I don't think there's some epistemological something behind that. Now, again,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: he wasn't a giant of the intellect, so I'm not.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: My message is forget everything you've heard about the Audissey
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: from imbecile right wing influencers on Twitter.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: It's not gonna tend you, many of whom have gone
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: to see it and actually like it.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not gonna turn you transgend there or gay
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: or I don't know what they are afraid is going
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: to happen.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: And the most important thing.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: Trust Nolan, the guy who has given us Interstellar, the
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: guy who has given us the Batman trilogy, the guy
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: who gave us his Oppenheimer.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: Although that's a bit morally.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: Gray, trust him, or at least give him the benefit
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: of the doubt, Go and watch it, and that that's that's.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: Is an import filmmaker. He doesn't always have a clear message. Philosophically,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: he's shady, but you know he makes but but he's
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: he knows how to make films. He knows how to
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: create drama. He knows how to suck you into a story.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: I think the biggest criticism that I find ridiculous about
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: the artist he is it's not true the original but
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: no remakers, right, I mean, that's the nature of remaking stuff.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, Shakespeare's plays all based on other plays, and
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: they are different than the other places.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: That's what makes them Shakespeare.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: But you know, every time somebody redoes something in a
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: new medium, it's going to be different. It's gonna be
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: very different. So I mean, would Homa be insulted by
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: somebody three thousand, four thousand whatever? You know years later
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: you know, changing stuff.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: It's it's a bit more so it's not.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: I think this is a more important topic because, for example,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: you have accounts like end Wokeness that they actually, without
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: having watched the film, they produced all these lies that
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: Achilles is playing by a transgender and they get and
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: this could five million views, and then Elon Mask promotes this,
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: this is the same rabbist that the same poison that
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: we watched in the World Cup.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 4: Fake PHOTOSO message, get a red cartage. Read it's it's
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 4: it's serious.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: It's serious that when you have all these rabbist before
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: or they had this idea that they recast did they recast?
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: They redid the part where the all where Achilles were
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: transgender because.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: Of the of the backlass, like like what do they think?
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: They broke back all the actors and they went back
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: to whatever. Okay, we're gonna do it again. But now
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: you transgendered person, you're not a kills or someone else?
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: Like how stupid have you been to believe that? So
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: go and watch it, enjoy it, and trust no one
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: that is better than what these imbeciles would have you believed.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I never doubted that should go and watch it.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: You know how good it is? I don't know because
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen it yet, But there was never any
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: doubt in my mind that I would go watch it.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: Also, I'll just say one thing, Agamemnon, those who watched it,
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, Agamemnon.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: All right, Knowing how often Trump changes his mind, I
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: don't see any advantage in buying advance notice on his
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: post than truth social In fact, investing on his information
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: would be risky, knowing how often Trump vacillates. No, No,
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: you're missing the whole point. The whole point is in
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: every vacillation you can trade and make money. So when
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: he says X, Let's say he says something that's going
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: to cause ald prices to go down up, and you know,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: ten minutes before he's going to say it, you buy,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: and then as soon as it goes up, you sell
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: because he's going to vacillate. And then you wait, and
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: then as soon as he says something that's going to
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: cause all prices to go down, you short oil, and
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: then as soon as that's over, you get out. So no,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: the fact that he vacillates creates more profit opportunities to
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: trade on inside information that if he didn't vacillate. Now
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: you might say, but the market gets it that he's
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: going to vacillates, it doesn't respond, But that's empirically not true.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: The fact is that the market responds to everything he
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: says in very predictable ways. Oh, there's a cease far
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: with you on oil goes down, No, we're gonna bomb
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: you one oil goes up. So you know, huge opportunities
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: I wish if I had that inside information and wouldn't
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: get caught. I would get caught, that's the problem. But
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: if I wouldn't get I'd be a billionaire right now,
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: easily a billionaire. It's so easy to make money off
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: of this. And and you know he did this with
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: the with the tariffs. Every day vacillated. Every time you vacalate,
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: if you have five minutes early information, you make it killing.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: And you can make it killing over and over and
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: over and over again because you vacalates so much.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: And to relate the two questions, as I wrote, everyone
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: tweetd if I were a billionaire, I would all day
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: harass Nolan, do Atlas, rag Triloz. I'm covering everything, open
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: bads at white blank check, just do the Trillot.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't do it. He would There's no way he
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: does it because it would require him to take a
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: real stand on something real in a way that I
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: don't think he would. I mean, it comes the closest
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: in the Batman trilogy. And even then he doesn't ultimately,
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: you know, go through with it, but it comes close, okay,
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: maybe I mean he would make a he would make
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: a great movie.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 3: But I don't think he would do it.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: I don't think he would do it. Marilyn. Why did
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: I men think Reagan was a negative? Why does you
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: want think he's negative? Well, Nicos thinks he's not positive.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: I think we've covered that, Marilyn. The way.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: I think he's a net positive because he was the
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: last intellectual fire brand president in his Actually he was
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: the last intellectually fire brand persona of that level of influence.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: I would say, I can't think of a pro freedom
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: influencer would say today after Vegan that had such a
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: big goldens and such an appeal and would be so
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: openly pro freedom and the American capital.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at a long term impact, he had a Republican
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: Party and U and with consequences. I think because we're
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: told to that is it would have happened anyway, and
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: it's quite possible it would have.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 4: Jennifer, you are bringing my chart there. I can still
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 4: hear you.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, Why did you not like the movie Breakfast Club?
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: I saw when I was young, and I thought it
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: meant to be true to yourself and not be fake. God,
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: I can't remember.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: Characters are so annoying there sounds like self right, use
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: in this, in this annoying or like, I'm seeing the
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: rebellious and I rebel against the world of the grown up.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: There's no positive movie, there's no whole, there's no positive values.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: It's just a rebellion. But it's not even that interesting
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: and it's boring. I found it boring, right, Nothing happens really.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: Except in the last second where the guy does this
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: and the song starts playing.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's that's worth your whole ninety minutes of
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 4: the movie.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 3: I watched it forty years ago, so what do I
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 3: barely remember?
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: You know what happened, So I'd have to watch it again.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe Schasbod will pass to review it, and then I'll
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: give you an opinion, a more educated opinion. Fizzle Fizzled.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: Fizzled says, I love everything both of you are doing.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: Keep up the good work. Hopefully one day people will
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: shed their political tribalism and embrace a moral objectivist philosophy.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: That would be amazing. Thank you very much, Shooty says,
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: just sending in my appreciation for the Iran and Nkos dialogues.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Shorty, really appreciate it. Michael, sorry I came late.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: Would you say the country and the GOP were far
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: healthier and optimistic during Reagan's time than now.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, Reagan himself was, the party was not. And
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: that's why I gave the context that previous twenty years,
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: because the country was going down the drain.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 4: So in that way, he was.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: But think also how he changed the whole or how
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: he influenced the whole culture of eighties was positive individual
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: Think about the TV series Usually there's a loon hero
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: who stands for values and does very cool things.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 4: Think of night Rider or even think of Rambo for example,
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 4: or this type of stuff.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 3: Ye, I mean there was a there's a.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: Superficial individualism that spreads in America in the nineteen eighties.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 3: You know, that generation is called the Me generation.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: Remember these are the hippies in the sixties who are
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: now walking working on Wall Street and making gazillions of dollars.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: But it's called the Me generation. There's a lot of
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: movies about Wall Street that and some of them actually
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: semi positive. And there's definitely you know, Silicon Valley is
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: blowing up. There is a a positive attitude in the US. Now,
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: how much of that is Reagan? It is hard to tell.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: Part of it. It was building up anyway, but it's
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: a backlash to seventies. It's a backlash to sixties, and
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: it has momentum. It takes the I think the country
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: all the way to nine to eleven. I think nine
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: to eleven is a turning point. But it really is
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: this positive momentum. Reagan gives us voice right now, whether
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: that how much he is the cause or how much
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: he's just voicing what's happening around him in the country.
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: It's a bit of both. I think I think there
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: are publican parties healthier because it still has the free
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: market people around. So Reagan brings those free market people
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: in and they're in his cabinet, and they're around, they're
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: hanging out right in Washington. It's just like the religionists.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: But he also brings in the religionist And now you've
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: got in Washington, DC, the religionists and the free market guys.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: And what actually happens is the free marketing guy get
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: marginalized and the religionists get the upper hand over time,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: and we're seeing and the manifestation of that really is,
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: you know, a compassionate.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 3: Conservatism, which is what Bush Junior runs on.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: And then Donald Trump, right, I mean the whole the
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: current Republican Party.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: This quick note though, the opponent of Reagan in ninety
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: in the primaries was George Busimor, who called his free
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: market economics whoodoo no.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: Miics, so who do economics? And he became presidents because
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: he because Wagan chose him as vice president. So again
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: you know, which was a weird story.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 4: It was the convention. He literally had to find someone.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: There was this crazy idea, the super ticket heart was
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: called that formed the previous president would be the vice president.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 4: But then he wanted to bring with him kissing there
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 4: so thank god they led this, although actually I'm not
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: sure it be that law.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know with the Middle East. But yeah,
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, Bush was the worst choice you could make
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: because Bush was the was the mealy mouthed, weak, pathetic,
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: compromise on everything Republican Party, and that contrasted with the
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: principled principled in quotation walks of the religious right. Further
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: strength in the religious right in contrast to Bush, because
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: Bush was a nothing so yeah right, not Javi Jago
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: with him? Reagan was was Reagan ten times better than
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 2: Trump or one hundred times better than Trump. I mean, look,
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: it's ten thousand, yeah, ten thousand, it's night and day.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: It's not on the same I mean, Trump is a
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: is a massive negative, massive negative. So you know, you know,
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: Reagan is a slight positive maybe or slight negative maybe
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: in comparison. Now you could argue and that that you know, again,
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: what Wagan did led to Trump. We were heading probably
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: in this direction anyway.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: Just notice people who want to make this comparison. There
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: are many common characteristics. So for example, Reagan is not
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: a giant of the intellect. Reagan has a low attention span. Reagan,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: whatever you whispered last in his ear, this is what sticks.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: But the two big differences is that number one, Reagan
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: is a more decent human being, and number two, he
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: has some principles, simple ones, but he sticks with them,
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: and when he deviates from them, he's conscious that he
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: deviates for them. So for a long time he resists
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: the raising tax, he resists the deficit, and then he realizes,
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: but at least he feels this gravity as that I
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: went back on my world and this is something serious
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: and this is not cool at all.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 4: And also his very good with his people.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: He doesn't want to fight anyone, and he's he's completely
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: different from Trump.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: Nature Jago And did you see Ben Shapiro go after
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: Jade Vans as anti capitalist rhetoric and Joe Rogan. The
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: young people on the right don't want Shapiro o Reagan optimism,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: they want nihilistic racism.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 3: I think that's right, And I did see Ben Shapiro.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, Jadvans also went after Israel and and
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: had a conspiracy about Epstein and the Mozade and so
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: he pissed off Ben Shapiro on a lot of different fronts,
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: but he also got him on capitalism. So good for
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro for standing up against jed Events on capitalism.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean Ben Shapiro.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: Is very mixed, but better than some of the people
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: who work for Ben Shapiro, like an Ole's and Walsh
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: and those other guys.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, yeah, don't know that you mentioned it. How
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: about first of all, let's tell people that next week
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be on the on the Goal.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 3: Yes, no show next Sunday, but a week after that.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: Week after that we have so related to the new Right,
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: because we're gonna talk about Frank and the Spanish Civil War,
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: but the week after, do you want to do so?
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: Jay Devans went in Rogue and went in the other
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: big podcast and also he released the book. Do you
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: want three weeks from now to do the world view
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: of Jay Devans the book and the two big podcasts.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: Sure, I'm not going to read the book, so assume
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: you're going to read the book. I've read a lot
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: of his other essays and his and his autobiographical essay
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: where he talks about how he came to where he
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: is today.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 4: So you know a lot about it, right? Is the
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 4: book out?
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 3: Book is out?
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: Communion Communion, Yeah, I know.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 3: But if it's if it's I'm pretty sure it's out.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: It's on Amazon for sales, yes.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, it's out.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 3: It's out.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, JD Evans's World whatever.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll do that the week after.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: That's good. That's good. Good, that's a good one. I
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: think we'll get a lot of traction on that. All right,
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: thank you? Not you have a jog with them? Okay,
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: let's run to some of these Christian nikos. Do you
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: like the short AI videos with Messy Milay and you.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 4: What, there's a short video with Messy Milaye. Me very interesting,
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 4: and why haven't I seen it?
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, Christian, send it to Nikos. He hasn't seen it.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 4: Since you mentioned Milay and Messy.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: Just to remind people who are ninety minutes away from
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: my prophecy coming to life, which is Argentina will win.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: Milay is gonna give the soul of a lifetime. Messy
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: is gonna be drunk from the whole situation. He's gonna
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: start repeating Malay lines like Viva Alberta Carrajo. People are
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: gonna have a new interest in the ideas of freedom,
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: and a second renaissance is gonna begin, all with Argentina
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: winning tomorrow. So ninety minutes away from my prophecy. Ninety
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: minutes when ninety that's how long a game lasts.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's tomorrow. That's twenty four hours.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're twenty four hours plus ninety minutes away.
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  Speaker 4: Twenty four Yeah.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: By this time, by this time, if it finishes in
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: ninety minutes, the game will be over.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: Yep. It starts at five my time, not three. It
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: starts now tomorrow, No.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 4: No, today.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: The third place game starts now tomorrow. The finals starts
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: two hours from now.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's good to know. Okay, all right, send
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 3: us this video.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen the video of Messi and Nikos playing
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: football with me, Lay, that would be interesting, Christian.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: With all the I had a dream, I had a
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: dream with Milay the other day, by the way, more
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: than that, I don't remember much anyway.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: But right with all the effect, to the great, to
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: the goat Leona Messi, we should we should have gotten
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: a he should have gotten a red card against Algeria.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: He was lucky, to be honest about it.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: Nikos.
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 4: Okay, So here's the good thing. People. How is this?
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: How is this line in Big Lebowski? This is not
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: non smoky. There are rules here. So there's a there's
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: a website it's called i fab where it has rules.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: So go I fab put red card and you will
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: see there that it says a red card is a
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: or uses excessive force or brutality. Are you seriously telling
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: me that Messy endangered the safety of an opponent or
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: used the excessive force of brutality? Facts maybe yellow card, yes,
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: but not in a million red card. Also, there are
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: five similar occasions in the World Cup. There was no
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: red card or Lisa did it in the semi final
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: with France. Nothing happened, so no red cards.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: Michael is Argentina doing well in the World Cup because
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: Milay's free market reforms have given its place more access
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: to better food and the overall optimism of the Argentinian
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: people because of Melay.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: The previous two World three World Cups of Argentina was
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: the first under a military dictatorship in seventy eight, Videla
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: in ninety eighty six. It was probably some peronist felt
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: World is socialist program. In twenty twenty two, Milay had
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: not won yet, but I love the sentiment, so I
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: want to say yes.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: But the truth is and nineteen seventy Brazil one under
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: military dictatorship, so there doesn't seem to be a corrolation,
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: particularly in South America, be when winning the World Cup
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: and political freedom and political liberty.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: I still remember the episode we did in the Iron
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: Institute on Milay. My opening little monologue was three hundred
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: and sixty something days after Leo Messi left the World Cup,
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: Argentina still is again in the headlines of the world
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: and I have the smile ty here.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 4: Not everyone was as excited with Melay, but that's okay.
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 2: I was excited by Melee Christian. The Spanish play like
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: cold robots. The Spanish play like cold robots, bodly efficient,
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: got only one goal in seven games. How does Argentina
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: even stand a chance against them in the final.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: The most important is not that Spain has only conceded
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: one goal, because.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 4: Maybe this will mean they're like it.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: They have not allowed the opposition to threaten them, so
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: this one goal is statistically It's not like if I
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: knew how to stop Spain, I would be in New
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: York talking to Scaloni. But for people who watch the game,
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: just pay attention to this. Spain is such a beautiful
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: Pay attention how when they move the ball and when
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: the players without the ball moved, they try to create
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: spaces a little, create a bit space, gain a bit
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: of ground, more space. It's all a game of how
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: do we liberate space, either with the ball or without
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: the ball. And then when they find the crack in
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: the defense, that's where the talent in dribbling and all
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: that stuff done.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 4: How do you stop this?
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: It's not easy and the most difficult thing for Argentina
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: how do you put Messy in the areas where he
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: can really threaten?
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 4: How do you dominate towards the box of Spain.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not very optimistic people, I'm as Argentina fan, I'm
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: not optimistic. If Spain wins, they deserve one hundred percent.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: They're the best team as opposed to players. The best
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: players were frants. The best team is paid.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Woman, do you think the emphasis on duty in
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: the military is wrong?
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 4: It depends what we mean by duty.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: So in the military, this internal let's say, how to
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: put this internal culture can be a force of positive
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: and usually when they say duty, they mean things like integrity,
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: things like.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 4: Being true to your reward.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: So in the army, I found this whole idea of
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: service and duty within that subculture, particularly if you have
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: chosen it. So if you're in a voluntary corps, then
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: it makes sense. It makes sense within this subculture because
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: it tends to mean something else from what we have
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: in mind.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: I think you'd really have to with you know, if
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: in a different culture and an objective is culture, Yeah,
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: you would talk differently. In the military. The military, we
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: structure different people would be motivated by different things, and
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: you would motivate the troops on the ground.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: In different way.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: But it's impossible to bring an alien culture into the
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: military that is different than the culture around it. So
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: you're not going to get away from the collectivism al
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: tourism when you go into the military, and they just
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: use it effectively in order to achieve their aims. And
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 2: good military is know how to balance that with allowing
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: individuals the initiative and the thought to actually be able
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: to win. And these alien military is particularly good at that.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: The American military is usually good at that.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: It's it's people who want to understand this more. Go
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: and read the Zocco Wheelings Extreme Ownership, How Navy Series
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: Leave and Win. The biggest revelation you'll get from the
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: book is that these are not robots who follow orders.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 4: It's the opposite. It's people who have to develop a
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 4: lot of independent.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: Thinking's and that's the Seals. The question is how much
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: of that is exported into the rest of the military.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: In Israel, I think it's it's much more widespread. In America,
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: probably less widespread, but in.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: Greece it's close to it's close to zero, except in
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: the special forces, but in the infantry.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 4: To close to zero, mostly among the officers.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand what else saying, So maybe you
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: docase because are you an urban achiever?
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: I have absolutely zero idea what this means. But because
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: you're such a loyal, fun source. But if you want
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: to send even a free if your.
• 2:19:35
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• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: Because I'm neither urban. I hope I am a naceiver,
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: but not urban. I live in the middle of outside
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 1: of the town.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: Mario. I would be interested in your thoughts on the
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: connection between sports and art.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 4: That's for you.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: Actually Eve a short intro before we go to the expert.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: I'll just say this the experience I had watching the
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: thirty minutes of Messy the other day. The closest thing
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: I can get is when I rewatched Interstellar in imax
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: some months ago, that it was something.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 4: Like a religis use, Like what am I experiencing here?
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: What? What?
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 4: What is this thing I'm witnessing? So in my mind
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 4: there is a connection.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: So there's no question you know that that sports can
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: in moments, uh, you know, giving you an idealized version
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: of of of something. Right, you know, competence and efficaciousness
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: in a concrete right. But the fundamental difference between sports
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: and art is there in sport there's there's a lot
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: of accident, right in sport, nobody's controlling it. You know,
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: in everything art, everything is thought out in advance. Everything
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: has a purpose, you know. So I don't know the
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: many the messis misses, bad passes, right, you know, those
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: don't give you that same feeling. So you know, it's
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: it's the moments where everything clicks. But the whole idea
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: of art is it's purpose. Well, if he misses, there's
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: a purpose to the missus. If he's been brilliant, there's
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: a purpose to the brilliants. Right, So it's all you know.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 3: It's all orchestrated, right.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: Sport is there's too much accident in it to serve
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: the same the same thing as as art does.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 3: But there's no question when you see somebody.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: In any activity, in any human activity, execute brilliantly, execute
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: better than anybody else, you know, better than than than
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 2: you've ever seen, that can have a profound impact on you,
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: That can really impress you, That can that that has
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: a uh and almost metaphysical, but it's not metaphysical because.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 3: Because it's it's not, because it's.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: You know, you can't replay it over, No, it won't
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 2: happen the next time, exactly the same. It's it's it's
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 2: there's a there's an element of of the the the
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: it's it's not, it's not in and of itself, a
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: conquetization of anything.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: But when you see it, yeah, I mean, but you
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 3: but that's true. Of there's a there's a scene in
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 3: the Fountain.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: It where where Dominique is watching Work work and she's
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: just in awe. She she's sitting there like she's watching.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: She's looking at Michael angel As David here is the
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 2: idealized you know, and and he's working. He's just working.
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 2: It's not so you can get that aesthetic experience for
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: moments in life, extraordinary moments in life. You don't get it.
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 3: It has to be extraordinary.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: You see somebody doing something extraordinary and that has that
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: same aesthetic I think impacted. They're conveying a metaphysical truth
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: to you. And and that's what all does. And that's
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: what Messi can do in a moment of brilliance, that's
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 2: what Work can do in working on his architecture, that's
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: what you know, somebody doing something extraordinary can.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 3: Convey excellent, was or was whiz something?
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: Campaign eighty, Which message will resonate with voters?
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: That's a mean by the way, for the unemitiated. Campaign
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: eighty is no no what message anyway?
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 4: Sorry? Continue?
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: Which message would resonate with voters? Let's talk better mileage
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 2: versus kill the bastards? Do you understand this?
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: This is a meme where they oversimplify the elections. Various elections.
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 1: They oversimplify the two sides. Actually, I don't think Regans
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: was killed the bastards, but yeah, anyway.
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: He was. Don't ask what they government can do for
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: you know, No, it was what we call it.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 1: In the inaugural address, he said that the governments not
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: the solution. The government is the problem. Again, try to
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: think a president of the United States says this in
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: his inaugural address.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 2: And he and he did.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 3: He that was reflected in his campaign.
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: I think that attitude, even Evin says, so the artist,
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 2: He got me thinking how easy it is it was
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 2: to observe yesterday's heroes and what made them real time heroes.
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: They seem to be visibly, they seem to be a
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: visible visibility issue of what makes the producer. I think
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: this is a part of why they are viewed with
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: such suspicion, as what they do are so private. Do
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 2: you think there is anything to this?
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 1: I think what you're trying to say is that in
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: the Odd Desay we see the heroes with a bit
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: more their struggles has more universal struggles, their internal struggles.
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 4: The ergs to go home. I think this is what
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 4: makes the old dessay impactful.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: I mean the film not And some people say, yeah,
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 1: but you know where is all these strict stery, Well,
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: Nolan focused on something else, And again it is it
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: is not Homer's Odd Desay, It is Nolan's of all this.
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 4: He focuses on that and that's okay.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: And as you said, it's way more related, like what
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 1: did you expect to see monsters?
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 4: And how he kills the monsters? That would be the
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 4: good Zilla movie.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: When was the last time you saw a movie that
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: was exactly the same as the book. I mean, it's
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: always going to be an interpretation of and then the
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: question is is it enjoyable, is it valuable or isn't
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 2: it valuable? Not?
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 3: You know, constantly comparing it to the novel.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 1: But I'm nothing because I'm thinking many of the people
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: who don't like all this say they loved the movie
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: three hundred, and I love the movie three hundred.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 4: I want it once every year. But this is like
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 4: if Leonida's in real life was sixty years old.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 1: If you think that Gerald battle was Leonida's, not to
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: mention everything else in the movie.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 4: So no, don't expect don't expect accuracy.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 2: And the three hundred is beyond inaccurate. It has nothing
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 2: to do with the history.
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 4: There were not three hundred.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 2: They were way more exactly, and it has nothing to
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: do don't want I don't want to spoil this, and
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 2: the Persians don't have monsters, so.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: Uh, there there are stories that they would bring elephants
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: and stuff.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 3: But yeah, but this was beyond the elephants.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 2: This was in the movie, right. Yeah. Anyway, I'm not
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: a huge fan of the three hundred, but partially because
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: I can't think of the Spartans as good guys. Let's see,
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: you know, you.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 1: Know, anyone could leave Sparta practically like if you if
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: you you could escape Sparta. So most of the people there,
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 1: in some way, everything that went through was voluntary in.
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 4: Some way at some level. I mean the free men,
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 4: not the slaves.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 3: Something being voluntary doesn't make it good.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 4: So okay, sure.
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 3: I get it, and I get the heroism of the
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 3: three of whatever happened.
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was no Soviet union because many people
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 1: say Sparta was of your No, it was not sovietal.
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 2: Because you could leave. Yes, I wanted to say something
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: about this question. Yeah, I mean A big part of
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 2: I think what you're saying is the producer generally does
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: something that most people don't understand, don't know, don't understand,
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: and no appreciate. It's why in our culture it's okay
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 2: to make money as a basketball player, it's okay to
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 2: make money as an actor, because people can relate to that.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: They can understand it, they somewhat understand it. They have
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 2: no clue what a CEO does. They have no clue
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: what a founder does, what an entrepreneur does. They In economics,
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 2: people have a zero sum view of the world. In economics,
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: people have a materialistic view of the world. They're kind
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 2: of a soft Marxist view of the world. The workers,
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 2: they're the ones who produced. They don't understand. They have
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: no conception of the primitive ability. And that's that I
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: think is the So when it comes to physical heroism,
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: people get it. When it comes to the heroism of
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 2: the spirit or heroism of the mind, people are people
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 2: have a much harder time understanding that, and they get
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 2: simple values and Homer in the end is simple values,
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: family home. Uh. But they don't get I mean. One
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 2: of my favorite movies from Allowed to Say is This
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 2: Land Is Mine, which everybody should watch.
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 3: I think it's one of the great movies, you.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 2: Know, And it's an example of a completely unexpected hero
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 2: and a heroism of the spirit, heroism of the money
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 2: in the face of the Nazis. So it's there's an
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: element of physicality because he's going to be killed, but
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: it's it's with.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 3: Charles Lawton and I think Marino have ah uh. And
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 3: it was made by.
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: Jean renou In uh during the during the Second World Wars.
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 2: It was a it was a propagan propaganda movie. And
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's it's it's just it's black and white.
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 2: It's just a great movie. This Land Is Mine. Check
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 2: if you can find it. It's very hard to find.
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 2: If he can find it, check it outright. One In
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 2: terms of football ability, compare Ronaldino Diino at his prime
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 2: to Messy.
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 1: First of all, Ronaldino's prime was like three years because
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 1: after that he decided that lives about partying, eating and
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 1: other things. So look, people saw that. Whenever you want
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 1: to compare Messy with anyone, think about this way. Messy
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 1: is world class class in scoring, dribbling, creating, assisting and playmaking.
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 1: Ronaldinho was very good in creating and in dribbling, though
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  Speaker 1: not at the level of Messy, but that was it.
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  Speaker 1: He was not as good as scorer as Messy. And
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 1: again his pride was practically from four or five years.
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  Speaker 1: He played his last World Cup when he was twenty seven,
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  Speaker 1: for God's sake, so will never know. But whatever we saw,
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 1: he's he's not even in the same category with Messi.
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: He's no one is in the same category with Massy,
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  Speaker 1: maybe expect except from Maradona and Pelet, although we haven't
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 1: what's match of Bellet, not Ronaldino already in his last
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 1: season in Barcelona. Messi is a bigger impact than Ronaldinho.
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  Speaker 1: Although mess is like what seventeen back then?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Pelle was astounding for the era and
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 2: also was he peaked very young and it's a different world,
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 2: right I mean you didn't play in your thirties in
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: twenty nine were you were finished? Right? I mean it
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 2: was very rare for players in those days to live
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: to play well into their thirties. The conditioning was different,
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 2: everything was different. But when you watch him dribbling in
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: the fifties, in the late fifties and in sixties, I
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 2: mean he was phenomenal and his go go all scoring
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 2: ability was phenomenal.
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  Speaker 3: But but yeah, I mean MESSI if you think.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: About his career, you think about everything he's done and
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 2: his ship skill. Yeah, I don't think there's anybody matches him.
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  Speaker 1: And and Pelet when he did these things, he hadn't
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 1: seen anyone else do it. He had to come up
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 1: with the ideal, like the bicycle kid.
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  Speaker 2: He was adventuring much of the game.
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  Speaker 4: And and.
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 2: Again he and he played.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing is he played in Brazil. He played
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  Speaker 3: in Brazil for a team in Brazil.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't go to Europe and he played for Santos.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he only played exhibitions games in Europe, so we
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  Speaker 1: didn't see him in Europe, so we But I think
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  Speaker 1: Pellette today as he was, he could stand today, as
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  Speaker 1: you pick him up from as he was.
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  Speaker 4: If you put him today, he would be top class.
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, welland says going up in nineteen eighties,
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 2: Hungary Ronald Reagan was my first image of a hero,
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 2: based just on the off field voices, the news announcers
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 2: of the party state media. We're talking about him.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, you mentioned voice. He had this very
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 1: rare thing. He had what I call a smoker voice,
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 1: although you never smoked. He had this this tone, the voice,
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 1: this this depth. He had the perfect voice for TV,
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 1: the perfect voice for radio, the perfect voice to tell
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 1: you it's going to be all right, and the perfect
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: voice to tell you we are good and we're going.
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  Speaker 4: To make it.
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, Enwick says you on what's your three
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  Speaker 2: favorite sixty seventies songs? God, I don't hold those categories
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  Speaker 2: in my mind, and I don't hold the list of
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: songs in my mind, you know. But you know, if
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 2: I had it, if I had to do it from
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 2: sixteen seventies, I'd probably pick you know, Pink Foyd's wish
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 2: You Were There, which I love. I just love that melody.
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 4: What's that which you were here?
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 3: Which you were here? Yes, wish you were here?
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 2: I picked somebody from Simon and galfunk Call. I'd have
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 2: to figure out which which song because there were a
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 2: number of the compete I was like Paul Simon when
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: he went Home by himself, and and maybe something from
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 2: Bob Dylan. And partially because those songs connected with me
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 2: when I was a teenager. So I mean each one
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 2: of those songs. I can remember me at a particular
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 2: point as a teenager with particular angst listening to those
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 2: songs and the impact they had on me. And I
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 2: think that's why we can act to music from our
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: teenage years, because they they they leave her, they leave
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 2: her memory, they leave something. But I'm sure you could add, well,
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 2: you know, if if I remember the other songs, if
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 2: you brought I tell you, but there's that, and there's that.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 2: You know, there's just a there's just a bunch of
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 2: there's a there's a lot of good stuff.
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 4: In the sixth I would also have to the Doors.
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 2: The Doors, those were good America. In the nineteen seventies,
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 2: I went to a Genesee and phase. If anybody remembers
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 2: Genesee and so you're smiling like you vaguely remember but
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 2: uh not very arrown, No, but you're you know, teenage angst,
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 2: very Genese and very teenage angst. It's seventeen. I learned
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 2: the truth, you know, so you know it's uh. Are
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 2: you thinking of Joel Austin as the slimy guy? No?
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 2: I mean Joel Ostein is the slimy guy, but I'm
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 2: not thinking of him as the guy. I you know,
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 2: at some point I remember, but I don't know. Conservative
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  Speaker 2: column is Peggy noon And yes, Peggy Noonan was Reagan's
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 2: one of Reagan's speechwriters, and she writes today a column
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 2: in the Wall Street Journal on a monthly basis. Thank you,
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 2: Mary Ellen. You're absolutely right. Christopher says, is Odyssey is
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 2: reasoning mind? Is Odysseus's reasoning mind glorified?
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 4: Not particularly?
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: Is it in Homer? Sorry? Is it in Homer?
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 4: Well, in Homer it's more the trickster right than the
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 4: rational thingure.
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 1: But if you are to come up with the Troy
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 1: and Horse idea, also you have to you have to
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 1: be to be clever. But in Norland it's mostly his
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 1: moral compass and how he've used his life and what
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 1: he did, what actually happened in Troy.
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  Speaker 4: I will not give other.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: Spoilers So.
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 3: Do you care about the game being played right now?
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 1: I care that no one from France scores or assists,
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 1: so that MESSI ends up fair scorer and fir.
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 3: Do you want to know what the score is?
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 3: Three zero England?
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 4: What thirty seven minutes?
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 2: And we're missing this, we're missing this?
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 1: Well, no one ever watches that game. I would only
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 1: want to be if it was message last game. But
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 1: luckily that's all right.
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 2: Let's go through these because I have to go to dinner,
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 2: all right, Michael, is Jimmy Cott. If Jimmy Carter had
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: won that second term, would we have iPhones today? We
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 2: needed the free market push Reagan provider to create Silicon Valley.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 2: You forget that almost all the deregulations that happened that
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 2: big ones, trucking, airlines, railroads, and significant finance happened in
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 2: under Jimmy Carter. Started under Ford, accelerated under Jimmy Carter
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 2: was legislation, So he can't reverse it by changing the
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 2: head of the regulatory agency. That was the major achievement
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 2: and deregulation happened under Jimmy Carter. So who knows what
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 2: another four years of Jimmy Carter would have would have happened.
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know right it's it's impossible to say. But
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 2: in terms of liberating the entrepreneur, Jimmy Carter had a
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 2: big role in it, but the spirit would have been lacking.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: So I don't know where you would have gotten that.
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 2: So and how do you evaluate that. You know Voca
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 2: would have done the same, you would have had of
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 2: a session eighty one, you would have had a recovery
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 2: in eighty two, But I don't know, because you know,
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 2: Reagan's spirit would have been missing, and it's hard to
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 2: tell what exactly that that plays. Michael says fifty dollars,
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael. Do New York and California do well
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 2: because despite their controls, their taxing and regulating smart educated
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 2: and motivated people, whereas Alabama and Mississippi attaxed and regulated less,
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 2: the population is still low quality.
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 1: It's also where the habs are, it'd say, it's also
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 1: a cultural thing, historical thing.
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a huge advantage for New York being New
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 2: York because it already has a massive network effect on
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 2: finance and everything else. If you started New York from scratch,
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 2: could it evolve in New York today? Know California has
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 2: two network effects, one in Silicon Valley and one in
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 2: Hollywood that are huge, and you've got another one on
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 2: biotech in San Diego arguably. So there's there's.
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 3: History, but part of it is education.
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 2: Look the best universities in the world in California and
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 2: to some extent in New York. You know, just in
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 2: New York, you've got Columbia and you've got New York
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 2: City n y U. Now we know Colombia n YU
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 2: for all the garbage that that the woke people have,
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 2: but they have engineering, they have science, and then they've
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 2: got They've got a lot of good people who teach
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 2: there and a lot of smart students go there. You've
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 2: also got just the excitement of living in York. Who
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 2: the hell wants to live in Alabama. I mean, I
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 2: know Nicos likes to live in in a remote place,
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 2: but you know, I I New York is with stuff
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 2: is happening. Ambitious people, ambitious people who want to build
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 2: and create stuff want to be in New York. They
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 2: want to be in Silicon Valley. They don't want to
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 2: be in the of nowhere. It's it's part of how
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 2: they got the network effect is people gravitate towards where
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 2: the action is. So there's a lot of factors. Yeah,
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 2: I mean there's a there are not a lot of
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 2: good universities in Alabama and Mississippi. Uh, there is, so
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 2: so you don't have as many educated people, you don't
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 2: have as many engineers. Although Mississippi has on the best
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 2: education right now primary primary care, uh, you know, early
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 2: grades and high school. Mississippis really turned things around. So
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 2: maybe that'll change in the future about Mississippi. Buts but again,
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, nobody's going to be excited about going to
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 2: start a startup in Mississippi and what engineers are going
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 2: to hire. So there's a reason why these hubs come together.
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 2: And it's very difficult to replicate them. And and you can,
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 2: you can tax and regulate these guys a lot. But
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 2: the benefits of the hub, the benefits of the networking effect,
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 2: uh are so high, so large that it's very difficult
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 2: to destroy Silicon Valley. I mean, California is trying, They're
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 2: making every effort in the world to destroy Silicon Valley,
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 2: and Silicon Valley is still chugging along. Shas Wat says
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 2: little Lebowski urban achiever, do you understand that Big Lebowski.
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably Big Lebowski reference that I'm missing, by
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 1: the way, Yes.
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 4: I can.
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 1: I cannot tell people give money so that we do
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 1: movie reviews. But people give money to that we do
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 1: movie reviews. It's one of my favorite things.
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I hate the movie to do it or
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 2: any excuse to do it.
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 3: What's the movie called with the Big Lebowski?
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 2: Big Lebowski which just has Who's Who's in it?
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 4: Jeff Bridges.
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate I hate that movie. It's one of
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 2: my least favorite movies ever. So uh.
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 4: It has some of the most immortal, immortal lines of losing.
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, one of the most the most immortal lines for losers. Yes,
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 2: it's a loser movie. It's a pothead movie about losers
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 2: who do nothing and an end still loses.
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 3: Nothing really happens.
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 1: That is that's the shortest movie that you should make
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 1: a short clip of it. Five seconds A review of
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 1: The Big Lebowski.
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 2: That is my review of The Big LEBOWSK and I
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 2: love Corn Brothers movies generally. I'm a huge Corn Brothers fan.
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 2: That is my least favorite Corn Brothers movie. Sadly, all right,
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 2: more disagreements between Nicos and me, Stephen Harper, I had
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 2: a DVD of This Land as mine, you did, and
• 2:42:43
  Speaker 2: I will see it again tonight. I also liked Above
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 2: Suspicion nineteen forty three with Joan Crawford, fed M McMurray
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 2: and Conrad Vite in his last movie. Yes, I vaguely
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 2: remember Above Suspicion. But yeah, let me know what you
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 2: think of This Lander's Mind and the fact that you
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 2: have a DVD of it is that's pretty rare. There
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 2: are not a lot of DVDs out there of This
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 2: Lander's Mind. All right, Matt says the Knicks championship run
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 2: had something similar in terms of aesthetic quality.
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 1: I guess you heard it here first, that the Knicks
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 1: even being in the play in the finals would be
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 1: a cultural event beyond sports.
• 2:43:30
  Speaker 2: That's right, Nico said it. I was there. Uh. Andrew
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 2: A line in the Odyssey, though not intended as anti altruistic,
• 2:43:41
  Speaker 2: summed up the ideal of pain represented by ultruism. Pretty well.
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 2: I guess this is a line the power of a
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 2: sacrifice is in the cost to the one making it.
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:43:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is in No Orlans obviously in the film.
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 1: I don't remember not that I'm in but in the original.
• 2:44:01
  Speaker 1: But yeah, this sums up out rooms very well. I
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 1: remember thinking about that in the cinema. Well done for
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 1: catching it before remembering it after the movie.
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 2: Good job, Andrew. All right, Jacob, thank you for the sticker.
• 2:44:13
  Speaker 2: I think I got the other stick of people. And
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 2: thank you to all the super chatters. You guys will
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 2: great today. Thank you to Nikos. And again, no show
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 2: next week. Generally, they're gonna be no show for me either,
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 2: because I'm I'm doing eight sixteen twenty four hours of
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 2: teaching basically in aid in Austin and sixteen in Phoenix
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 2: and traveling the other days to get there and to
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 2: get back. So there's a show tomorrow, but I'm not
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 2: sure beyond that what's going to happen next week?
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 4: And make sure it's not the same time with the final.
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 3: What final your soul?
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow? Oh tomorrow? Oh yes, I have to make sure
• 2:45:01
  Speaker 2: it's three o'clock, so it'll either be in the evening
• 2:45:04
  Speaker 2: or it'll be really early. If I do, I'll definitely
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 2: go some Monday. I'm not sure about tomorrow. I might
• 2:45:09
  Speaker 2: skip tomorrow. We'll see, all right, everybody. Thank you Nicos,
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 2: go to bed, I'll see all of you guys, and
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 2: we will be back in two weeks on a Sunday,
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 2: not on a Sunday. Sunday, Bye everybody.
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 4: Thanks my life.